pvp

[warped warren]

just reroll the frost bolter

[elfin surge]

comp thief

[undone pumice]

comp thief

[elder wigeon]

hide ur characters and i won't have anything to steal

[elfin surge]

steal dn

[undone pumice]

what's dn

[elder wigeon]

DEEZ NUTS

[warped warren]

[frank knoll]

GD
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/txuz4s/playing_rshaman_and_with_18k_games_in_im_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[elfin surge]

how

and why

[dark sparrow]

is that bruin his partner or his alt, cant be sure

[raw summit]

1800 games

[frank knoll]

I’m pretty sure he said in the comments he doesn’t use keybinds

[raw summit]

Ah

Lmao

Bruin Moment

[frank knoll]

Like Arena/Party 1 2 3

But my healer last season used mouseovers and we hit 2.1 no problem idk

[raw summit]

My monk clicks frames, is that troll

[frank knoll]

No way

He must have the fastest mouse hand in the west

[raw summit]

All I know is that i get enough heals to zug

[undone pumice]

ur monk isa lso clinically insane

[raw summit]

Wdym

Naming your character pagman obviously is a sign of mental stability

[warped warren]

poggers

[undone pumice]

having a 190 up until 9.2 isnt tho

[raw summit]

I think he had 2 or 3 days /played at 60 when we hit our 1800

[nimble jasper]

not bruin

bruin would have broken his keyboard by game 60

[undone pumice]

xd

[dusty saddle]

where cali

[wheat jay]

Gone

reduced to atoms

aka he got banned for calling bad people bad

[sharp meteor]

wasn't it not even at somebody in particular

just like if u can't get sl glad ur bad at warr

accepting that u aren't good is beneficial

[wheat jay]

you must tell bad people that they're bad or they'll never improve kinda thing

either way

one of the only people that actually provided good info to noobs got banned

[sharp meteor]

i feel like too often i saw people fall into the pit of thinking their rating was good enough and just kind of chilling which eventually turned to flaming/blaming teammates which isn't useful

[mystic barn]

yea but if you don’t call out your teammates for critical errors then they never improve either

[wheat jay]

true

the amount of times kargish called out my mistakes lmao

could write a book about it

[mystic barn]

Like hello bop me during fury necro banner go lmao after I ask 4x not after lmao

[vocal frigate]

What's the range on sap

[ionic gazelle]

Anyone already tested t4 on arms?

[undone pumice]

uhh

[vocal frigate]

Yeah, it's smoothbrain to keep up if you just do damage

And it hits hard

[undone pumice]

sap is like a bit more than arcane blast?

explosion

[vocal frigate]

Fuck me that's a huge radius

[undone pumice]

im not sure

its more than melee for sure

[vocal frigate]

There's a lot of rogues that come to dick around in the city so I'm trying to eyeball where they COULD be standing when they sap players/mobs.

So I can just leap and clown

[undone pumice]

wtf

[ancient sonnet]

10 yards

[vocal frigate]

That's probably why I keep misjudging it

I know 8yds for the recharges

but 10 isn't ingrained

[earnest wharf]

for fury rbg, kyrian is the way to go for spear lockdown kills?

and do yall use the mouseover spear macro to save that fraction of a sec of how fast you can place it, or like to see the manual circle placement?

[sharp meteor]

lmao save a fraction of a second

enjoy throwing spears into the ceiling

[earnest wharf]

haha ok bad idea, i'll leave the reticle thing. in the past i thought there were problems with some reticle type spells when you press it once circle appears and hitting it twice makes it go away so i couldn't spam. Doesn't seem to happen now

[sharp meteor]

like if you want a separate bind then it might be fine, but in general i feel like you're generally spearing off cc so there's not really a rush

there's also lots of priests gripping bolted targets if they aren't crossed so if they're super quick with that you just spear them both after the grip goes off

[earnest wharf]

ahh cool, trying to learn the ropes again. Fury feels pretty fun in rbgs so far

i know its the noob way to go but loving impending talent lol, die so much less

[sharp meteor]

It honestly seems super good now even in arena as long as you've got somebody else with stuns

[sand shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[sharp meteor]

realizing i need 21k in honor for upgrades on alt warr hmm

[tough compass]

Execute shud crit for 70k to balance Warriors Kappa

[raw summit]

i hate 15 second freecast warlock

[undone pumice]

same

so op vs dubl warrior

[raw summit]

Idk is just cring

[undone pumice]

dubl warrior is crinfe

correct

i must lebel my shamwow or cat

[spice hornet]

arms is starting to not feel so good as more people get theri gear/teior sets

even moreso

😦

[tough compass]

Well Aegis nerfed, at this point blizz wants us all to re roll caster

[undone pumice]

yep

[near delta]

Even with full tier it doesn't feel great into all these caster cleaves

I queued into 4 straight frost mage/destro games lol

All different peeps

[raw summit]

I really dislike that Trinket

Ultra filthy

[latent forum]

[plain wing]

https://tenor.com/view/sandlot-play-ball-ham-hamilton-gif-25092433

[near delta]

Ive been seeing weird specs run them in 2s. Like marksmanship hunters and windwalkers

[raw summit]

Lmao

I just see it on lock mage and feral

[near delta]

Ww waits for you to cc him then pops all his stuff with keefers lol

[undone pumice]

i saw a prot warr with it the other day

[raw summit]

Fury into ww feels bad

Arm is better

[undone pumice]

like

y tho

[raw summit]

Parry usefuler

[near delta]

Yeah overpower into fof is nice

[raw summit]

FoF with tier shreds too hard

[undone pumice]

thats not what i mean

i mean why a prot woth the caster trinket

like ehat brain aneurysm drives u to that

[sage raptor]

They don't like being stunned I guess.

The day I see an orc prot warrior in arena is the day I level an alliance character and gang orc lowbies.

[mystic barn]

if the ww is waiting for you to cc him before he does his go then dont cc him lol

until he does his go

[undone pumice]

i already gank orc lowbies on my firet ever toon

is like a lvl 40 draenei

[spice hornet]

yeah, I got 2400 in 3s and stopped queing the past 2 weeks, just started playing my arms alt (who has 0 tier because rng) but is duelist since week 1, and it just feels bad. I literally melt to anything, even just passive aoe dmg

and having 0 tier is just awful

[near delta]

Creation catalyst will fix everything.

[undone pumice]

week 1 will only be benefivial to those with an odd amount of tier

like me

[flat isle]

I got 2400 on my warrior but I've hardly felt the urge to queue the last 2 weeks as well. Went up a little once I got 4 set but it still just is so cancer into the same wizard cleaves

Been playing my alt lock more because....why not become the cancer

[undone pumice]

i umironically have been having more fun

leveling alts than in arena

i just get dinged through all my defensives by mage lock bonzi buddies with 4pv

[flat isle]

In the prepatch before SL I leveled every single allied race for the heritage armor in like a week. I got called a degenerate.

[undone pumice]

u are a degenerate

[flat isle]

Am I a sexy degenerate?

I'll accept that

And what, do you not find it fun running for 45 seconds while getting randomly snared

[undone pumice]

i do not find it fun running around

i just want to smash a clothies head in

[tough compass]

I mean Fury dam is pretty good with 4pc, but we are dead before reaching the clothies :/

[sage raptor]

Have you tried not dying?

[tough compass]

I tried, but I failed

[thick reef]

is fury good in pvp right now?

[steep inlet]

y

[sharp meteor]

Hmm no tier alt warr feels fine to me

[spice hornet]

4pc DH in meta like 90% of the game

[raw summit]

tbf 4p fury also high high reck uptime

[sharp meteor]

Honestly haven't queued into too many decent players with tier

maybe I've just been super lucky

[raw summit]

im completely fine with tier unless its on a lock

[sharp meteor]

Destro 4pc might be a go next, yeah.

[raw summit]

x2 chaosbolt from 2p

hella crinj

[spice hornet]

Yeah it’s crazy how strong their tier is

[flat isle]

The 4pc is broken but the most broken part of destro is the 2pc

[spice hornet]

Meanwhile arms tier is like eh

[flat isle]

Fury 4pc feels good. I average like 45% uptime on reck

[raw summit]

its kinda nice that if ur disarmed on wb

[flat isle]

Just wish arms felt better

[raw summit]

u get almost a full one through

[sharp meteor]

Probably means it'll be less likely to get randomly clobbered with nerfs.

More damage on smashed targets which works nicely with enduring, so I think it's nice.

[near delta]

The pile on uptime can be kinda crazy

[frank knoll]

I haven’t even logged onto my warrior since 9.1.5

Been about that hunter/shaman life

[wet scarab]

pile on uptime in raid situations is around 85-90%

though not full str buff, between 4-8

I dont know how you can keep it up in arena with the plate wheelchairs getting kited

[elder wigeon]

arms tier set is definitely good

it's not as fun as fury that's for sure, but it's definitely as good, just not flashy or fun

[near delta]

Ignore pain feels satisfying to press to fish for tactician procs.

[iron wing]

Is Arms>Fury in Pvp still?

[elder wigeon]

I think it's situational

fury seems to be better in tournament play

[iron wing]

I mainly do RBGs

[elder wigeon]

if I had to put money on it, I'd say arms is better in rbgs

but idk why any team comp would take an arms warrior

[lucid walrus]

sharpen's hard to pass up on demand but idk

[iron wing]

Kk, I feel so weak though, idk what it is, doesn’t feel like I hit hard

[sharp meteor]

Arms hits reasonably hard.

[lucid walrus]

fury does sustain more than burst and in an rbg setting you're probably not gonna live long enough to make use of it ngl

[iron wing]

What slot you guys using for your covenant legendary?

[fickle forge]

Arms just casually says 'game over' if you enter the sub-35% zone while you have CDs up

[raw summit]

^

ive personally found arms can cheese more stuff fury cant win

by randomly MS>conduit proc>exe killing u

[fickle forge]

Oh I proced SD? Lemme just use my execute to put you in range of execute so I can execute

[raw summit]

painbringer WB > SD > Exe

goodbye

[near delta]

Yo dawg

[undone pumice]

we put an execute

in your execute

cuz we heard you like execute

[mystic barn]

oh my god speaking of thst im so happy I stopped dying to the fucking mortal strike conduit

[mystic barn]

keep playing fury guys

[near delta]

MS Gon' Give It to Ya

[undone pumice]

the real warrior carry is overpower

[raw summit]

is sharpen

[wet scarab]

Lol that’s fine the recklessness conduit extends it by 33% which is long enough to run down a resto Druid

[raw summit]

and glory holds banner for that long

[undone pumice]

overpower just does crazy dam over a match

for it to be proccing so much

[simple rock]

ngl I really miss arms when a dh blurs or rogue evasions

40s cd blur is so wack

[undone pumice]

overpower my beloved

[simple rock]

yea i'm fury

[fickle forge]

When you face a DH or a rogue using their dodge, that's when you're a chad and equip your sword and board to press shield block

[simple rock]

honestly I should have that macro

[wet scarab]

I don’t know necro fury feels pretty bursty when you line your beautiful signet procs with banner

[simple rock]

there are situations in 2s where I can't do anything

[undone pumice]

necro fury definitely can do some big burst

but fury isnt the burst spec it bursts fast because buncha haste and many gcds

but if u want single cd burst

arms does more

[wet scarab]

That said I do miss the more intelligent gameplay of arms. It’s like going from watching the Godfather to Baby Shark videos

[sharp meteor]

necro fury especially with stuff like signet and warbringer can absolutely bursty similarly or harder than arms

[undone pumice]

not in the same amount of gcds

[raw summit]

warbringer DM necro fury hella bursty

if u get the proc

if

[undone pumice]

signet >

god

(casters)

[obsidian creek]

how do i know what is good

is there any guide

[simple rock]

murlok.io is a good resource

[obsidian creek]

ty sir

[simple rock]

don't anyone has made any really good guides like magnusz's 9.0/9.1 arms guide

as of yet

[obsidian creek]

looks like fury and arms are both ait

[wet scarab]

Smexxin made a good fury pvp guide

[sharp meteor]

They're both good.

Smexxin made a Fury one, I thought.

[simple rock]

oh nice

haven't seen it yet

[wet scarab]

It’s on his Twitter

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fQ0_sNl4t1NIKvEQegpx7r5WH9w8Lnq9/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=115919885452706466689&rtpof=true&sd=true

[simple rock]

looks solid, maybe should get pinned here?

apart from the sus font choice lmao

[wet scarab]

Heh

[sand shadow]

https://clips.twitch.tv/RudeCoyWolfBrainSlug-KMiLrztex5bAc9Qk?fbclid=IwAR0bITGGGMkHu-CxLOtWj_ofpsBxEcwrsMh99oTWHmBH7fUU7V8mbtXpyNk

yikes man

[sharp meteor]

Spicy.

[near delta]

Might be a bit overturned

[obsidian creek]

wait ppl play smf?

[undone pumice]

who?

[mystic barn]

single minded fury

[sharp meteor]

Not that I've seen. It's probably fine, though, but I think I'll be staying 2h.

[undone pumice]

its fine but

gavel is strong

it is going to be good for non necrolord covenants

necrolord is troll if smf

its just every patch like this an op 2 hander

[wicked bison]

why is smf better for venth

[undone pumice]

its better for any non necro cov

ventg kyr and nf

because necro relies on throughput in banner

[elder wigeon]

smf does less damage than 2h no?

[undone pumice]

1-2%

but like 5% less as necro

[elder wigeon]

so why not use 2h, more stats

[undone pumice]

1h have more haste

and u get the zoomies

[elder wigeon]

Mastery is a very good stat for fury

[undone pumice]

i know but so is haste

[wicked bison]

it doesnt say haste it says 5% movement speed am i missing something

[undone pumice]

1hs have more haste

[elder wigeon]

the one handed swords have haste

[wicked bison]

oh the pvp ones

[undone pumice]

however

smf lets u tmog 2x thundetfury

so whos rlly wining

[elder wigeon]

fury warriors mogging arcanite ripper and taeshalach

[undone pumice]

lmao no

significantly smaller weapons

thunderfury big kithtning so fucking cool

[elder wigeon]

thunderfury is bitch made, taeshalach fucks

[undone pumice]

real real chads use

tusker sword

[elder wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952878684237361202/961537730343493642/unknown.png maximum fury aesthetic

[undone pumice]

wod

[elder wigeon]

literally could not be scarier

[undone pumice]

urzul

[elder wigeon]

you need to instill the fear of god in your enemies

[undone pumice]

i cant make any good scary mogs

my "scariest" mog is some bone pirate

[elder wigeon]

can't be better

[undone pumice]

my fire mogs always turn out doggus shittus

also i prefer axes

axe is brutal

axes when u execute

u feel like ur actually cleaving them in half like a chad

sword feels significantly less manly

[elder wigeon]

it's fine when it's a big shattered sword with flame emanating from it like a hook sword

[undone pumice]

cuz its more like an axe

than a sword

[spice hornet]

That’s a cool mog

[elder wigeon]

ty ty

[sharp meteor]

Blackrock Foundry was a sick raid with some fantastic sets, I'm sad that wod bombed.

s16 elite sets were also great, I love the power ranger set

[spice hornet]

That’s the mog I have on rn

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/kyrianspear

[sharp meteor]

The helm and shoulders are soooo good

[spice hornet]

I know I never wear any other mogs cause of it

Sad they don’t make them as good as they used to

[sharp meteor]

it was just so cool that htey made unique animated pieces just for pvp elite stuff

[wet scarab]

mage lock games are going to make me quit this game

just isnt fun

[warped warren]

surely

[spice hornet]

You’re not having fun?

It’s bfa s4 all over again

[sharp meteor]

just did yolo rbg on my frost mage and cranked 40k dps in the initial team fight because aoe frost bolts killing their frontline in like 5 seconds wooo

[spice hornet]

That’s gotta be fun I should make a frost mage alt

Wonder when they’ll add the catchup boxes

[sharp meteor]

watched two rets die without bubbling

[spice hornet]

Prob 9.2.6

5*

[sharp meteor]

yeah lmao i started mine super early because im like hey i think it's time wizards start to rise up so just in case i wanna have a magus

never played one so

[sharp meteor]

wish i setup my destro as well but maybe later

[mystic barn]

dont be a cringer

[sharp meteor]

double destro 2 fun

[earnest wharf]

"4th Row: Resilient Plumage could have its uses on certain maps, being able to abuse it for more damage reduction." which maps can we abuse fall dmg for this effect?

[lucid walrus]

jumping off the top of muga i suspect

blade's edge is a huge maybe

[sharp meteor]

I tried moogerbooger it wasn't working.

not high enough

[lucid walrus]

even jumping off as opposed to walking?

[wet scarab]

lol I got somehow rooted by a frost mage when I leaped to a pillar

was rooted until he ran all the way to me

blasted me dead

[thick reef]

Hell is being stuck in Black Rook against DH/DK cleave

What a fucking awful experience that was

[shut tangle]

yo so the stat weights are haste crit right?

at me please

[thick reef]

This gearing is making me want to unsub

[drifting elbow]

What soulbind as kyrian arms?

[lucid walrus]

mik

maybe kleia if you wanna cuck one (1) sin rogue go

[plain wing]

@thick reef atleast you dont pve where it would be near impossible to catch up at this point

Im experiencing that now

[sharp meteor]

I just play Mika basically every game. Auto stun is just too good right now.

[sharp meteor]

Nah, it's only rough if you're trying to push now because past a certain threshold people have more and more gear.

like I said get 1400-1800, wherever comfortable, then just focus on vault slots

it'll be easier to push later anyways

[steep inlet]

Deflation is hard atm

A lot of good players are in 1800-2200 range

Multiglad and r1

Only the top of the top is 2400+

Inflation should start a little

[elder wigeon]

it'll be a bit

there's layers to the ladder rn

a lot of the 2.1-2.3k players have 4 set and the high tier glads/r1 players are getting cucked by a wall of destro locks and assassination rogues with 2 and 4 sets

I got 60-0'ed in 1 second by a lock double bolting me off a coil

[steep inlet]

yep it’s disgusting

Lock is BFA power again

And again disgusting to fight

More than anything in s1 s2

We play as a team of 0 part

It’s fucking hard

[scarlet barn]

@steep inlethey man

wanna see some good joke?

[steep inlet]

?

[scarlet barn]

ndogo is now mage

[steep inlet]

Hahaha

He spammed us with fury

For years

And now that fury is meta

He left it

Insane

[elder wigeon]

fury feels necessary versus MLx

[drifting elbow]

Bois playing with a Rsham n either Aff or Destro lock. Is arms or fury prob better for the comp? Warlock is flex

[elder wigeon]

i'm unpeelable

honestly if ur with a destro lock you wanna play kyrian

fury or arms doesn't matter as much but if I had to make an educated guess, arms should be better

[drifting elbow]

Also whats the go to for either reckless or anger for fury? Also I have 4 set so do I still wanna use signet?

[scarlet barn]

Prob wasnt boostable anymore

or friend stopped playing 🤣

[lucid walrus]

people seem to play RA with 4set bc of the reck procs

can't speak to leggo bc i'm not a tier gamer yet

[raw summit]

DM gains value if tier in pve

so imma assume same in pvp

since we are kinda pve-ing em down

[lucid walrus]

crushing blow is gruesome from what i've seen from details screenshots

[raw summit]

ye

even for my 2p ass its like 10k ones consistantly

[warped warren]

fire has good sustained damage lmao

people just dont know that you can press damaging spells outside of combust

[tough compass]

I do 14k crushing a MH and 5k OH

Def. Pumps

[elder wigeon]

I've hit a 19K main hand with a 7k offhand

[thick reef]

the best way to put it lol legit LOL

no combust = no dam is the mind set but sometimes i still feel like they do alot of dam outside of combust maybe if they get 1 or 2 pyro procs

[frank knoll]

Hit a 20k bloodbath lol

[alpine cloud]

🤣 so true

[warped warren]

they do a fuckton of damage

[steel socket]

lmao

[undone pumice]

when u and the enemy arms warrior both warbreaker and disarm at the same time

[sand shadow]

🤣

hpriests in arena be like

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/ty04ve/african_pastor_revives_a_man/

he was dead

he is now alive

[lucid walrus]

fixed an issue where arena teams with a rogue, mage and priest in the group could lose cr

[fickle forge]

I too love winning the game through conventional means, but then not win through conventional means as the priest resurrects and presses fade+serenity 😎 👍

[sand shadow]

gotta reflect chastise stun multiple times per game dude thats all

ez shit

🤡

[warped warren]

[near delta]

Priest comes back then you kill the mage and they smoke bomb, guardian spirit, ray of hope the seed and cc your entire team and the mage lives too

[iron wing]

anyone use ElvUI? I can't get my intervene mouseover macro to work on the unitframes, anyone else have this issue?

[sand shadow]

ElvUI in PvP

MO intervene macros are not de way regardless

you need 2 separate binds, no way around it

[iron wing]

no?

[sand shadow]

yap

[iron wing]

why is that?

[sand shadow]

1 intervenes party1, another party2

[iron wing]

i do RBGs mostly

[sand shadow]

I mean, I guess it depends on how much you care 😄

ah, then I can't help ya

MO might be okay there

I'd prolly then turn to the ElvUI Discord (I'm sure they prolly have one?)

[iron wing]

kk ill give it a try, thanks!

[sand shadow]

you'll prolly be the 1005th person to ask that question so

given how popular ElvUI is

[vapid ruin]

[wet scarab]

I feel attacked

are you guys mostly queuing as arms or fury

these days

or do you switch specs depending on the team

[undone pumice]

i switch specs depending on how im feeling lmao

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897160788664520704/961944103376011305/unknown.png

[wheat jay]

/pull 3

[wet scarab]

they're never that well-spoken and philosophical

[rough mountain]

They also don’t look like that

[wet scarab]

they're more like "KEKW DON'T TRINKET SMOKE BOMB BRO"

[rough mountain]

They look more like Trill

[iron wing]

Crit or Haste as Arms? is there a soft cap?

[undone pumice]

both are good

kyrian likes crit more than haste and necro likes haste more

[iron wing]

im kyrian, should i try to get a little haste or full balls crit?

im at 26% crit atm

[undone pumice]

haste is more consistant

[sage raptor]

DK has no issues with rmp

[undone pumice]

most ppl like a mox

mix

[sage raptor]

I sneezed and my chest popped

[undone pumice]

pog

popo dies

[sage raptor]

Pog?

:(

[undone pumice]

no

not pog that u die bit pog that u sneezed

[sage raptor]

Oh

True tho

[sand shadow]

Watched Whaazz main RMP vs Bicmex/Zen/Rat (Outlaw Thug) last night, and it was so, so, so cringe with Whaazz roasting them for popping defensives when he thought they shouldn't. Meanwhile, Bicmex is literally 100% dead even during minor go's and is trying to sneak survivability every possible way, including the Vanish (Camouflage) macro to delay by ~2-3s. Last game vs them, they traded for every single go, because every single go he was 100% dead if they didn't. Last go they had 0 CDs (Whaazz & Co) and did a 0 CDs go on Bicmex, he lived the KS at 5%, kited for another 3-4sec, and then died. At that exact moment, Zen went into a full, 8sec fear. Just brutal, brutal overkill every go

Meanwhile, they're nigh unkillable unless they seriously mess up (for comparison, even a single mistake vs RMP and you ded)

just obnoxious

[steep inlet]

Yep

[sand shadow]

I'm not even claiming RMP is easy or anything like that, it's just brutal in the hands of people that CAN setup consistently

The funniest part was on Ruins, where Bicmex did literal demigod level kiting, creating up to 60yds of distance (yes, on Ruins) between himself and Whaazz during their setups, at which point Whaazz just decided fuck it, turned around, and 100-0'd the Outlaw in 1 KS 😄

[sharp meteor]

Bruh why is rmp such bullshit man goddamn

also why do r*gue players sit with their knees up against their chest

like how can you sit like that

[sand shadow]

btw, a big reason for this many scary goes, one after the other, is Resonator

that shit is just brutal, even in its nerfed state

[sharp meteor]

hpriest damage is another big one

it's like okay they have nothing here

sike 30k in 2 globals from the healer

also why the FUCK is grip on like a 50 second cd

[sand shadow]

yeah, Hpriest dam is certainly a big factor

30k is conservative, tbf, I watched Whaazz + Mehh early season 2s, w/ tricks Mehh did 19K MG into 19.5K HF into (around I think) 13K SWD

sure, crits can't be guaranteed

[wet scarab]

lol ironically against RMP sometimes the right time to pop aegis is during MG goes

[sand shadow]

absolutely

I mean, just imagine having a 20s cd 7s stun as a warrior, just that

imagine the carnage

[wet scarab]

it's really not fun to play atm, arms feels underpowered in pve too rn

shambles

[sand shadow]

the sad part is, there's nothing really wrong w/ arms or fury (well more wrong w/ fury but wtv)

it's just the competition shot up in power it feels like, and in a big big way

[wet scarab]

it's the effect of the 4pc sets, arms and fury is consistent damage, the other classes are godlike

you look at some of the parses in raids rn and arms/fury has to pull orange parses to stay in top 5-7

[sand shadow]

and Fury truly feels so so squish w/o impending victory

to a point where, 2s or 3s, if I see a Fury warrior w/ bolt

I just tunnel him start to finish

and have had pretty good results

[wet scarab]

meanwhile demo locks, frost mages (ironically also top comp in arena), surv hunter, boomkins are always top 5 just by existing with purple parses

the same classes that are obnoxious in arena are also godlike in pve due to their tier sets

[sharp meteor]

Hmm Warr seems fine and unlikely to get nerfs, so might see stuff like desto tier nerfed, frost mage, etc. Idk.

I need to figure out if I'm playing kyrian or necro fury hmm

[wet scarab]

warrior is fine, but that's just it

[sharp meteor]

every fury warrior i have queued into just explodes like a minute in

[sand shadow]

I want to try some TSG tbf, I had a game vs a really good EU DK last night in 2s (yes, I know, its 2s, but anyway)

[wet scarab]

tbf every arms warrior does too lmao

[sand shadow]

on his 3rd slappy hands

[sharp meteor]

arms having short cd parry feels super nice into melee at least non-dks

[sand shadow]

I popped the following defensively: ER, VR, Reflect, IP, Disarm, Fear, Aegis, Rally

and still died

[sharp meteor]

enraged regen feels nice into more wizardry things

yeah dk output kind of nutty

plus hard to do anything with chains spam

[undone pumice]

slappy hands eat ur ass with tier now

[wet scarab]

yeah if you play 3s with a caster DK matches rn might as well just afk lol

unless you get really lucky

[sand shadow]

imagine TSG w/ Spear vs MLX

that ought to feel good

[wet scarab]

I managed to win one by accident because the priest MCed me in the middle of a slappy hands go by his DK xD

don't know what he was thinking

[sand shadow]

also, I forgot to screenshot it

a DK healed 75K in a single heal

through Necrotic Wounds one game

is this shit bugged or sth?

[sharp meteor]

that's just how it do

[sand shadow]

but I don't mean overall

[sharp meteor]

not even worth sharpening sometimes

ya ik

[sand shadow]

I mean a single heal showed as 75k

[sharp meteor]

it pops they full heal

[sand shadow]

he went from ~5% to full

[wet scarab]

yeah it's a lay on hands basically

[sand shadow]

o_O

but is that a bug or is that how its supposed to work? I read up on the talent later

[mystic barn]

no it’s because the healer pumped so much healing into wounds

[sharp meteor]

it might be bugged but that's just how it works

bigly heal if it ate a lot

[tight totem]

has anyone tried playing the vicious contempt conduit in arena?

[sharp meteor]

like i said soemtimes sharpen on it is the play but other times it just tops regardless

[sharp meteor]

nice for executing somebody

[tight totem]

feel like with 4 set proc it could be kinda nice

[sand shadow]

hm

might be okay I guess

problem with that is that you're pessing BT

[mystic barn]

Going to guess it was serenity, once again I saw an hpriest heal to full in one insta cast button from 1% last night

And my wounds healed me a fat amount

[sand shadow]

but how?! I don't get it?

[wet scarab]

so nice to have your oh shit button be available on demand 4 times

[sand shadow]

It says it heals you for the amount absorbed, up to 5% total hp?

[fickle forge]

"Omg he trinketed the Combustion+Blades+Smoke Bomb+Boon go, what an idiot, he's dead next go!"

[tight totem]

bloodbath for like 4-6k, so it would be 6-9k hits with the conduit

[sand shadow]

and RB?

[wet scarab]

instead of executing?

[sharp meteor]

thing is with 2pc it feels like u just machine gun raging blows into people

like it might be fine but hm

[tight totem]

maybe just not even a global to do it

[sand shadow]

Problem with BT is that BT sucks.

[wet scarab]

you have to most of your enrage uptime is from rampage not bloodthirst, that only makes sense if you're using fresh meat in arena

[sand shadow]

Never press that shit unless 0 RB, no Rampage, no Execute

which never really happens in arena w/ 2pc

[wet scarab]

fresh meat is much more of a pve talent

[sharp meteor]

Yep, bt feels like wet noodle you don't wanna hit.

[sand shadow]

RB is modified by: 1/ Cruelty, which you always have 2/ Enduring Rage 3/ 2pc tier 4/ 4pc tier 5/ RA 6/ Does more damage 7/ gives you 50% more rage 8/ Battle Trance

[undone pumice]

rampage
execute
rb
bt
ww

fury rotation guide

[sand shadow]

By always prioritizing RB over BT, you're also increasing Enrage uptime, which is haste, movement, Warpaint AND flat damage

stop pressing it.

[elfin surge]

reckless abandon kinda lit ngl

[raw summit]

Werent u a Signet gamer a while ago

[elfin surge]

still am

[sand shadow]

be careful tho @elfin surge

going back to AM after

feels like poop

(if you go back)

[elfin surge]

I think they both have their spot tbh

[sand shadow]

probably

[elfin surge]

The comps i queue i think reckless abandon is better not 100% sure tho

[sharp meteor]

RA just seemed like it had a lot of potential

[elfin surge]

just tried RA for the first time last night

[sand shadow]

just in terms of how you feel when you pop RA reck and AM reck, the difference is insane

can't wait for 4pc RA procs ❤️

wish it was broken and interacted w/ RA 50 rage gain or Signet

wait, did we figure out if the Recklessness duration conduit worked w/ 4pc Reck procs?

[sharp meteor]

If it did it'd just be a fractional thing I imagine.

[elfin surge]

I've literally only qs with disc priests this season and RA seems pretty good with dark arc + PI

[sharp meteor]

but it probably doesn't

[sand shadow]

38% longer

[burnt heart]

RA definitely better for mages

[raw summit]

Im p sure with pvp talents u can get reck to like <45

[sand shadow]

wouldn't that be like 4sec+?

[burnt heart]

And hunters

[raw summit]

So out-reck the disarm

[raw summit]

4 set doesnt benefit from conduit

[sand shadow]

great

so 0 out of 3

[sharp meteor]

shambles

[sand shadow]

...

[elfin surge]

full pve uptime and no tier i can get reck back 19 seconds after the previous reck ends.

[sharp meteor]

Yum

[raw summit]

So into some shit we can out rotate defensive with am

Like blur into dh or smth

[elfin surge]

Also had a 25 second necro banner in arena. Probably the longest ive had it this season.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, fury can get some reasonable extensions. Sad that they nerfed it because that could've been quite a bit longer.

[raw summit]

Ye unnerf imo pvp please

[sand shadow]

my highest necro was 32sec

[raw summit]

All because the pve-ers getting perma Banner smh

[sand shadow]

how?

I just tested it on dummy

[raw summit]

Reck ends in uhh 20ish

[sand shadow]

pre-stacked BT, Frenzy

[raw summit]

So u need to cast 50 seconds worth of cdr

[sand shadow]

was ~45sec after it ended

[raw summit]

So ≈ 11 Rampages

[sand shadow]

and I have 2tier

[raw summit]

With Banner that seems doable

Albeit probably needs giga haste

Oh and one thing, deathwish trash never pick, right?

[sand shadow]

11 Rampages in 16.6sec?

[raw summit]

Maybe he's cheating with fearies

Imagine reducing ra with NF priest

Sounds illegal

[elfin surge]

yes

[sand shadow]

😄

[elfin surge]

necro banner lit

[elfin surge]

how are u that bad

[raw summit]

covenant

[sand shadow]

show me

[warped warren]

😂

[sand shadow]

go dummy rn

[warped warren]

even i did it

😋

[elfin surge]

@warped warren did it better cuz tier

[warped warren]

had like 16s cd left

theb again, fury

[raw summit]

Ill try but im 90% sure my 24%haste is too little

[warped warren]

i have like 30%

[elfin surge]

pre stack frenzy

[warped warren]

or smth

[raw summit]

Time to regem to Hast not mast

[elfin surge]

battle trance bloodrage too

[raw summit]

Enduring rage also good

Or what's the Rampage icon called

[warped warren]

not needed

[raw summit]

Where u essentially stay perma enrage

[wet scarab]

RA just fits the fury aesthetic better

I'm so mad that i'll instantly teleport to your hunter ass indefinitely so I can destroy you

[raw summit]

Aestetic doesnt win games

But ye it fucking rips into hunter

[wet scarab]

it wins hunter games

surv just gets destroyed by fury rn

[raw summit]

Double timer warbringer ra into hunt

[wet scarab]

even double time is overkill with the 4pc

there is no chance they survive during one of the procs if I have cooldowns up

same with rdruids

[raw summit]

I dont have 4p yet so i stay dt

next week for sure

[near delta]

Double time warbringer ra is life

[raw summit]

Never think about movement ability trade again just charj

[near delta]

I had a frost mage playing MLP whisper me "I've never seen a retard do so well" or something. They get extremely mad.

People just react off of weakauras so they'll pop a defensive after a reck proc then it's go time.

[wet scarab]

also they don't understand fury

they've been playing around arms for 2 years

[sharp meteor]

queuing into fury so far has been "isn't it super squishy"

followed shortly by "oh yeah he's dead"

but turbo so

[wet scarab]

doesn't really feel squishier than arms to me

[sharp meteor]

def seems squishy into melee cleaves lel

they just turn and 1bang you through enraged regen

[wet scarab]

most melee cleaves seem to go at my spriest

but it's an equal frustration because I can't do as much to peel him as fury

just have to try and kill faster

[tight totem]

I’ve done better with blood rage instead of warbringer

[sharp meteor]

i mean there's spear, intervene and duel which is nice although wps seems to have fallen off a bit this season

also lmao rip rsham now that i thin about it everybody i know abandoned theirs

[wet scarab]

that'll happen when your tier piece buffs chain heal

but at least they are bis in all other content so

[flat isle]

Pffft and you told me you didn't like it when I said I was using it in your discord

[sharp meteor]

Idk if it's the pick every time but it felt like it had potential

[elfin surge]

well now i do

[flat isle]

Once I got 4 set it feels really nice

[raw summit]

Back in the days it didnt empower ur rb from 4 set proc but gave 50 rage

I want that back

[undone pumice]

whippersnapper

[raw summit]

Ultra giga perma banner

[flat isle]

Except the one time I nearly killed myself by accidently hitting crushing and lining behind a pillar on blades edge

That got a little sketch

Forgot about the auto charge....

[alpine cloud]

Both healers just looking at you both holding hands. Healers: WTF is going on!!!!!!!!!!!

[sharp meteor]

I kind of wish Disarm was on a longer cd so it wasn't always synced.

there's like the funny bolt/spear/bladestorm dance to try to deal with it, I guess

[undone pumice]

or warbreaker is 30s cd

[sharp meteor]

Anger Management baseline would also be pretty chill.

I'm just never swapping off Dreadnaught, though.

[undone pumice]

in for the kill baseline

[raw summit]

That's what i hope u can do

Out rotate disarm with am

[flat isle]

See, it's one other perk I've liked about fury even though I hate fury

People randomly disarming the 4 set procs

[undone pumice]

just

[flat isle]

BUT THE WEAKAURA SAID

[undone pumice]

anything in your normal rotation applying your burst shouldnt be in the game

enduring blow can smd too

[wet scarab]

game client is updating bois it's gotta be that RMP nerf

[undone pumice]

👉 🚪

[tawny elm]

how come mages doesnt play orc?

[sand shadow]

They do play orc

that, or panda

[raw summit]

Mitchjones style

[sharp meteor]

They do.

Almost every single Horde Mage is orc.

[nimble jasper]

well resolve panda is slowly becoming meta

with reg blink

any other race on horde is kinda int yeah

[sharp meteor]

Panda/Resolve matchup specific thing, Orc better for ladder.

People thoughtlessly copying what they see in awc have worms.

[nimble jasper]

yeah

everyone only realizing 4p sin rogue dumb

after awc

[sharp meteor]

Assa + anything seems good right now.

Feral, ww, unholy, another assa.

I can't see both bonuses not getting a hefty nerf.

[nimble jasper]

I mean

I dont understand why I see assa rogues nf

without tier

its only good b/c of tier

[sharp meteor]

I mean it's still fine.

Especially into shit like hunters in 2s

[nimble jasper]

necro is just stronger

tbh

base

just sepsis with tier is vile

[sharp meteor]

Eh, maybe

Necro leggo kind of booty

[nimble jasper]

nf lego doesnt do an insane amount either

just gonna wait for the mald as all the horde rmp mirrors

[thick reef]

yehj sorry for late response was at school shitty day like always haha

[nimble jasper]

realize each other is playing orc sephuz

[earnest wharf]

this is the last raid for this expansion for sure right? If I'm content only playing fury for the rest of the expansion, am I pretty safe just locking in Kyrian and skipping the Enlightened rep farm for unity? Just resubbed last week so I'm pretty behind on everything

[sage raptor]

Last raid but not last season.

[earnest wharf]

ahh damn, i hate this rep farm. Don't have flight so going around trying to tag the bosses is a pain lol

[sage raptor]

They're bringing all the raids from this expac into the next season.

I'm pretty sure there won't be a new zone or reps though.

Just rehashed content

[earnest wharf]

ok i might as well just bite the bullet and do the damn farm and be done till next expac. Honored to revered looks painful

[raw summit]

Get flying do the 3 wqs

That's literally all u gotta do

Way better than korthia

[earnest wharf]

i have flying outside of korthia - you mean just do the 3 korthia WQ's everyday and slowly get revered?

that's like 375 rep/day?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

Plus weekly that you'll fill up over the course of the week.

Plus world boss.

So like 10 min a day

[earnest wharf]

cool should have it done in 2 weeks max then, i'll survive with the 265 free waist leggo for now lol

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor https://www.twitch.tv/tygalways/clip/HotSmoggyAnteaterBuddhaBar-wIOpE6MCTGXAi9Hq

[sharp meteor]

lmao

god i miss 2s being chill

games right now are actually just someboyd getting snapped in half instantly

[nimble jasper]

now I understand why man's like

[sharp meteor]

it's like "dude why didn't you trinket kick defensively intim then trap the dps off me into door of shadows on the healer" like mang you trinketed air cmon

[nimble jasper]

"I enjoy queueing into dh, free win"

kills with just fof damage no proc

[sharp meteor]

ya

[nimble jasper]

Tho he's also same guy from all the drainer pov clips

of monk onetapping in s2

[raw summit]

very monk music for sure

[earnest wharf]

does fury + prot pal work OK since we have a lot of self healing with prot pal to increase dmg/pressure?

[grand scaffold]

prot pally kinda sucks

could be interesting if pally is night fae tho

but nah

not very viable

[raw summit]

prot pal doesnt heal enough

[dark sparrow]

Not korthia, zereth mortis btw. Just making sure your not doing the wrongs WQ’s

[grand scaffold]

facts

[undone pumice]

ndogo back

ndogo my beloved

[meager gate]

i only started pvp last season - does the amount of rating gained/lost when winning/losing change as the season goes on? The end of last season, winning 1 and losing 1 seemed to be a net positive gain in rating, but right now it's a net loss? Or is it something else?

[nimble jasper]

It's based on your mmr

higher mmr than your cr means you gain more per win and lose less

[lucid walrus]

mmr = win streaks really good for cr gains
loss streaks bad for cr

[meager gate]

so CR = your visible rating and MMR is the actual matchmaking rating that only shows up at the victory/lose screen right?
so when you say higher mmr than your cr means you gain more per win and lose less, sounds like the system is actively trying to get your CR to be closer to your MMR?

ah I see, so that's a factor too

[lucid walrus]

mmr's stated goal is to get you to where you "should be" at a 50% winrate

it's why you see some r1s with crazy-ass winrates and few games played, they're pushing way past that threshold

[meager gate]

i suppose if you have win streaks it indicates you're a better player than your bracket, makes sense

[nimble jasper]

Going even generally doesn't give a net gain

[grand scaffold]

😄

[lucid walrus]

you're punching above your weight at that point, yeah. therefore you're less penalized for an L

[scarlet barn]

Oh he is back

Called it

[fickle forge]

The saint

Man's realised fury is viable

[scarlet barn]

Imagine getting pissed off for being called out

Oh wait he doesnt have to imagine

[sharp meteor]

MMR is basically where the game thinks you should be.

CR is slower to adjust, and requires some games.

[nimble jasper]

placements always great

throwing around low rated teams like a ragdoll

[earnest wharf]

mage/lock just rocked RMP on AWC

[elder wigeon]

MLx is disgusting

[wheat jay]

Akro dying from 70%

In 0.1s

Fun stuff

[flat isle]

Watching MLX beat RMP is so conflicting

Its like yay an RMP lost

But an MLX won

So it's an overall loss for humanity

[elder wigeon]

Lmao locks can solo you 100-0 if they’re at 6 stacks when they coil you

3 bolts in 2 sec

[scarlet barn]

And some casters still think they need buff

[earnest wharf]

i like that matchup cuz i hate both of them so either one wins i'm happy lol

[flat isle]

I just saw the replay

Thats some balanced damage

And super hard game play

[thick reef]

If I am not a 4-set, or even 2-set, tier CHAD do I still run RA as Fury?

[raw summit]

no

imo

2 set is when it clicks

[thick reef]

Should I take AM instead or roll with Siegebreaker for the extra burst spice?

Since I usually die in like 30 seconds of being focused I was thinking Siegebreaker for the real "blow all my CDs and die" experience

Can't believe they use that ugly mace icon for Siegebreaker though

[flat isle]

I'd run AM

If you want siegebreaker just run the legendary lol

[thick reef]

Have to find it deep in my heart to go and farm more Snoreghast to build the leggo

[raw summit]

if ur still in the "no real games" stage of gear or cr it shouldnt matter

go buy torg currency box

from zm quartermaster

3k flux = 5500 Ash 1650 Cinders

if ur honored

[thick reef]

Not honored yet, so I guess that comes later

Bluh I hate rep grinds so much filling the bar is agony

[raw summit]

if u have it on any other char

u can main the ash

mail

[raw summit]

this time round its fine

get the 3rd wq and do em daily

and done

[thick reef]

I am pretty sure I don't, fuckin' hate dailies

[earnest wharf]

that MLX game was silly, the mage didn't cast a single dmg spell in the setup, spammed poly 3 times on the priest and Lock just solo'd the rogue in 2 secs

[flat isle]

Keep in mind the blue daily quests don't give rep. It's legit just the 3 world quests per day. It's like 10 minutes

[thick reef]

I only have 2 on my map and one is the raid boss

wolrd* boss

Oh the 3rd one just popped up, what timing

[nimble jasper]

thing is

MLX has same amount of cc as RMP

with the same damage as a meleecleave

[thick reef]

How can we hope to get so intimate with a pillar when we don't even know her name

[dark sparrow]

One is unlocked after activating it for your pocopoc at the console

At the place where blue dailies are

[thick reef]

Oh no. I neglected the sphere guy because I didn't have any interest in "ciphers" or whatever.

[dark sparrow]

Shouldn’t be an issue, you get it super fast

Takes like 50 cyphers or smth, it’s literally the first thing you unlock for it

And the wq is literally go to X, let pocopoc open the chest for you, done

Also tip for the WQ’s on the top side where you need to kill % of mawsworn, there are 2 spots with like 12 non-elite mawsworn soldiers you can group up and kill and get like 70% completion per pack

[thick reef]

based

[wet scarab]

lol I killed a destro lock who was trying to solo one of the big elites in ZM, he came back and blew me and a druid up in like 5 chaos bolts in quick succession

[thick reef]

Should have known better than to assault Blizzard's favorite class

[near delta]

I mean lock has been pretty bad most of the xpac lol

Destro in particular

[elder wigeon]

don't be a wizard apologist

if something sucks for a long time, making them disgusting isn't the right thing to do

right now wizards are insufferable

same with dks honestly

people don't bitch about how disgusting dks are rn

[near delta]

Nah I agree erase them for orbit

Just saying mage is Blizzards favorite class

[elder wigeon]

I think wizards should be good, but not like this, this is pure misery

[near delta]

I really don't understand how anyone thought instant cast chaos bolts in pvp was a good idea

[wet scarab]

on top of it they nerfed one of the few counters plate wheelchairs have to the insane dps throughput

while giving them the ability to freecast

[elder wigeon]

oops haha kicked his frost bolt, guess everyone gets rooted and then spam polyed if you get dispelled

[wet scarab]

they are not only overtuned in pvp, warriors have to pull off absolutely heroic parses only to comes 6th or 7th behind, you guessed it, frost mage demo lock and surv hunter

[near delta]

Lol yeah raid is pain

[thick reef]

If classes were built with more then a few BIG DAMAGE NOW buttons maybe it wouldn't turn into this every time a buff goes out

[near delta]

Not as bad as ww St at least

[elder wigeon]

wizards were better designed pre wod

[near delta]

I was curious and the top heroic ww on skolex was like 9th

[elder wigeon]

wizard design since wod has been dogshit

[near delta]

And the guys above him were all like 80 parses

[thick reef]

I would trade everything to be back at MoP warr

[elder wigeon]

oh for sure

[thick reef]

Even if it meant ele shamans tactical nuking me

[elder wigeon]

I don't want to be a pre-5.4 warrior though

season 12? insanely broken

season 13? piss

[thick reef]

second winds u

nothin personnel, kid

[elder wigeon]

season 13 warrior was bad

season 14 warrior was alright, season 15 warrior was good, and really fun

I just wish hamstring was off global man

especially as fury lmao

so gcd starved

[mystic barn]

[elder wigeon]

why can't i hamstring with my off-hand as fury tell me why blizzard

[wet scarab]

lol look at this one, the warrior did literally a 100% parse, top damage, and trailed behind them https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/krtzv9CDGMBpKY6y#fight=27&type=damage-done

WW is really sad though

[thick reef]

People will look at that and be like "Looks balanced to me"

and then ignore the agony of playing melee in a raid scenario ever post TBC

[wet scarab]

overall dps rankings are nothing like that either, this is an absolutely exceptional 1 of a kind type warrior

arms is in a sad state in pve right now

[near delta]

Being behind 99 and 98 parses isn't that big a deal imo

Def not great

Well 96 on the lock lol

This is pain https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CpZHDhjMkc8mNPzt#fight=26&type=damage-done

[wet scarab]

Lol that poor WW

[raw summit]

trell is a giga chad

[wet scarab]

Oh didn’t even notice it was Trell

Of course it’s a 100 parse

[simple rock]

no tier 2400

never do this much 2s guys

for your mental health

[near delta]

Arms or fury?

[simple rock]

fury

[near delta]

Oh okay you're only so crazy lol

[simple rock]

if you do it as arms youre prob insane at the game

atm

[wet scarab]

This is true chadness right here doing it without tier at this stage

[scarlet barn]

Easy

I will just save mental health

[simple rock]

it looks like this

[elder wigeon]

i salute you brother

more pain than I can withstand

[simple rock]

got my healer 2400 too

now the 2s detox begins

[wheat jay]

2s 2400 on warr OOF

Pure suffering

[sharp meteor]

rofl

3s can be annoying but at least it's a better spread than literally hunter/hpriest in 60% of matches

also hpriest/aff feels impossible, lock gets 1 second of his drain off thanks to trinket and it tops him from 15%

[near delta]

I honestly don't know how to handle aff in 2s

He just tanks all the damm while wrecking my healer

[simple rock]

yeah, you can pretty much never actually kill a lock unless it's omega deep dampening

clean goes on their heals and hit lock once hitting healer is bad

play like a bitch every dark soul

[near delta]

I guess go his healer but holy isn't the easiest either

[simple rock]

if you're kyrian just forget about it

have to be necro or venthyr ig

scariest is destro with 4p

it's fucked

[wet scarab]

Whenever I’m playing against a good affliction lock it feels like that scene in Return of the King where the tiny horsemen are stabbing the feet of the oliphants

[lament kettle]

I'm sure each spec faces different issues vs. different kinds of comps but what would generally fit better if you were playing with a ret paladin, arms or fury? for 3's

I have 4-piece

[sharp meteor]

Seems like Arms feels better into cleaves, whereas Fury is better into wizards.

[wet scarab]

Lol nothing feels good into wizard cleaves

[nimble jasper]

rmp somewhat

[wet scarab]

Oh I meant as warrior

[nimble jasper]

yeah I mean

most are fine its just mlx

[wet scarab]

I’m not really seeing a ton of other wizard cleaves, like an spriest every 10 games

[nimble jasper]

cuz mlx is lowbrain

its the ret war of wizards

[simple rock]

sp is just sad atm unless you play with rogue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2WM1xD_YPA

[wet scarab]

Lol

Yeah I don’t know how they managed to gut it seemed really solid end of last season

[simple rock]

holy fire does more dmg than buffed mind blast and swp does more dmg than sp version

[wet scarab]

I don’t even know what they did exactly

[nimble jasper]

is godcomp not good

[sharp meteor]

who cares it's still excellent find a cute rogue who'll owO people with vendetta every 40 seconds

[simple rock]

yeah but not everyone wants to play the simp

[nimble jasper]

till the rogue just finds a mage

press cumbust

kill someone 3x over

[sharp meteor]

cringe spriests wanting to do the most dam while having the best defensives and utility

[wet scarab]

Yeah most rogues only rebound spriest after bad mage experiences

Or bad hpriest experiences

[nimble jasper]

cuz theres a shocking number

of dogshit mages

second you find a competent mage as rogue its like

+800cr inject

[wet scarab]

I honestly find hpriest assa more of a pain in the ass to play against than RM

[nimble jasper]

hpriest sub if executed proper

is super dangerous

[wet scarab]

That too, but I feel like the game just lasts longer before I die

RM is just put me out of my misery

Rogue hpriest feels bad because you can almost win it on skill

[nimble jasper]

hpriest assa is spook

if double 4p

[wet scarab]

Only the rogue needs 4p tbh

Priest heals him to full every go

Independent of gear

The annoying thing I find about hpriest is that if you decide to go them you can’t really switch out because if you forced fade or ascension or whatever they’ll have it back on your next go

[nimble jasper]

still an output increase