It is just gets almost no benefit from tier
#pvp
wet scarab
sharp meteor
??
wet scarab
4pc that is
sharp meteor
??
wet scarab
You need to maintain uptime to ensure the strength buff from the 4pc doesn’t fall off because it relies on overpower tactician procs
If you’re getting kited you can’t maintain it with high efficiency
sharp meteor
You need to maintain uptime on literally anything to do damage as a warrior yes
For you see it is a melee class
wet scarab
Yes but that isn’t a problem in a straight up comparison, it loses value when you compare it to fury 4pc
sage raptor
Arms has always been clunky
sharp meteor
Fury is in shambles if it gets kited heavily
wet scarab
With the 4pc and reckless abandon you cannot be kited for an appreciable length of the game
You are running around with charge raging blow for like 60% of the game
It’s like the condemn death sentence spam of yesteryear
There are very few games rn with the 4pc where I’m not doing between 6 and 8k dps which feels better than the control arms gives you
It’s a dumb playstyle for sure
carmine cairn
lol just found out they have nerfed DStance for PvP furter. So it is now 10% defensive 20% dmg reduction
it is hillerios that now it is opposite of Dstance in PvE
jaunty furnace
For the fury pvp players out there do you use signet as your legendary
sharp meteor
seein signet and deathmaker ya
simple rock
like half and half for me, in 3s at least
I like signet into disarm comps
but deathmaker is more consistent dmg
if you have good uptime
main silo
Where should i craft my legis as arms kyrian?
I got old head and the belt from the quest, now i can choose unity and i got enough money to go for another endruing blow
simple rock
please does anyone have the knowledge
specifically talking about the vanish vendetta double envenom crit cheese
sharp meteor
I don't know why it would except maybe ripping sepsis off.
jaunty furnace
I keep getting flamed for taking storm bolt as fury instead of impending victory hmm
frank knoll
I feel like reckless defense has some merit too
sharp meteor
I keep getting flamed for taking storm bolt as fury instead of impending victory...
oh how times change
mystic barn
Ya take ur free 30k heal dude
frank knoll
I’m happy fury is kind of having its day, really fun spec to play
warped warren
na
wicked bison
is their a cap on movement speed things i bought a ring+gem but gem it didnt go up
sharp meteor
Nope.
Also the 3% and 5% gems don't show as they're a different kind of speed.
But still work just fine.
sage raptor
I’m happy fury is kind of having its day, really fun spec to play
Fury much more fun than arms. Truly the zugzug spec
warped warren
false
mystic barn
We love fury
elder wigeon
meh
undone pumice
resune literal boomer
elder wigeon
why execute for 10k when you can execute for 40k
elder wigeon
rampage does 15k dmg with cds who you tryna fool
elder wigeon
you can't rampage faster than arms can execute
elder wigeon
no
full quiver
Lol
elder wigeon
why is arms highest rated spec
whats going on there
it... couldn't be that arms is also... maybe.. really good too???
elder wigeon
i wonder why baseball players swing with two arms and not with one arm
full quiver
Lol
elder wigeon
i wonder why ur an old man who cant even play fury because of his arthritis
I already do play fury, I just much prefer arms
sharp meteor
I'm an Arms boomer until the servers go down.
elder wigeon
retail fury warriors seethe when they realize arms has 50% ms until cata
undone pumice
i think we do?
elder wigeon
in pve we do
raw summit
Ok give 80%
elder wigeon
in cata ms was reduced to 25% in pvp
raw summit
Anything 
undone pumice
with sharp
raw summit
Poor arm class
mystic barn
titan grip looks super stupid
elder wigeon
slaughterhouse should just be a passive for rampage and should be there for pve
mystic barn
arms would be cooler if it had 2hander in right hand and shield in left
undone pumice
tru
elder wigeon
or spell reflected
elder wigeon
two hand in 1 hand and shield in the other?
undone pumice
yes
elder wigeon
wtf
i miss mop animations lmao
you'd slam while sprinting and your feet would just be sliding
janky as fuck but i miss it
mystic barn
2hand orc male frost strike animation is super dumb look
sage raptor
Orc is super dumb look
spice burrow
That's too far
undone pumice
way too far
sharp meteor
you'd slam while sprinting and your feet would just be sliding
SOUL
elder wigeon
we fuckin loved it too
undone pumice
WHO
sage raptor
That's too far
You know what else is too far?
sage raptor
Wrong!
spice burrow
spice burrow
You are the king of comebacks bro
wanton siren
Sup lads, playing fury with kings lego, pretty fun. Tell me, if I get a free proc of avatar instead of bladestorm, do I pop BS or do I wait for my first cd to go down
raw summit
I generally cancel it when i can ramage again in pve
So ig same for pvp
Unless you wanna stay spinning for cc
Refresh enrage before second spin
wanton siren
I played with a dk, and when he grips them all in, I get a free bladestorm the dmg is insane
Feels weird playing without a stun but the sustain is pretty nice
raw summit
Fury bs hurts a lot yea
full quiver
Gnomes have best animations
sharp meteor
Gnomes are stupid and awful.
full quiver
Escape artist all those naughty auto venthyr roots to keep executing
sage raptor
Don't forget hunters
sage raptor
For a race that supposedly smart, they're pretty dumb.
raw summit
I played some classic SoM, right? Started dwarf cuz funny beard
HALF THE FUCKING STARTING ZONE
Was bald male gnome
So disgusting
sage raptor
Ew wtf
upbeat sapphire
Gnomes can look alright like my TBC-era mage still does. Those bald Cailou-looking ones though 😬
wanton siren
Female gnomies with ponytails slaying hordies is the bomb
undone pumice
handlebars*
wanton siren
ayo 🤨 📸
manic raptor
Does anyone have a decent explanation as to why pressing raging blow with Reckless abandon doesn’t charge into bm hunters? The damage goes out but the charge doesn’t…
wheat jay
Must be right at the end of the melee range
manic raptor
Nah I don’t think so, cause I can’t rampage etc cause out of range but I can raging blow
frank knoll
Anyone use Reckless defense?
elder wigeon
I can see it being a good option into most things
wet scarab
Does anyone have a decent explanation as to why pressing raging blow with Reckle...
I think it just bugs out sometimes, not a BM hunter specific thing, kinda like how you could death sentence a monk inside an ROP without actually being in melee range
sharp meteor
I think it just bugs out sometimes, not a BM hunter specific thing, kinda like h...
That wasn't a bug.
The bug is that you'd sometimes hit them without charging.
Which I feel like is probably a server/ping thing
wet scarab
Yeah sorry I don’t mean a bug in that it wasn’t intended just that it does the damage but you don’t actually end up being on the target at the end of the cast
Might be a ping thing with raging blow im not sure
sharp meteor
also getting pulled on your charge with warbringer still does the dam which is neat
just killed a druid with a charge despite being vortexed on it
wet scarab
Happened to me in a couple of games last night
wet scarab
also getting pulled on your charge with warbringer still does the dam which is n...
Haha yes there’s some janky shit when I charge and a DH is also charging and he gets rooted at the point where you charged from while you are also stunned past him
Comedy
sharp meteor
enjoying warbringer and bounding more and more
don't have to think about dstance or duel 
wet scarab
Blizzard was weaning us
manic raptor
I think it just bugs out sometimes, not a BM hunter specific thing, kinda like h...
Super frustrating playing 2200 bm hunters kiting eternally impossible to get to
Especially when they have rdruid
wet scarab
Make sure you spec bloodrage for a 20 sec root break
manic raptor
They reapply the slow instantly no?
wet scarab
Plus nobody understands fury yet
manic raptor
Yeah did that
wet scarab
Druid is often the play in mid to late game, if you get in range with recklessness and conq banner up with reckless abandon talent you can kill them in a go with the repeat charge
wet scarab
Yeah that’s always how I’ve won those games, I actually love aggro druids as fury
Basically any Druid who tries bash and cyclone for the opener on me has died
I trinket the clone and pop recklessness and go to town
Dumb that early in the match but it has worked like 80% of the time
manic raptor
Yeah fair call
spice hornet
how much rating would DHs lose collectively if blur wasn't bugged
giving extra dodge
near delta
An insurmountable amount
They'd just die in the opener every game
If they don't nether
near delta
how much rating would DHs lose collectively if blur wasn't bugged
What should it be?
sharp meteor
50% is what it should be, but it's 80% in PVP for no reason.
The base 12-15 shouldn't be functional otherwise
you'd have classes rng dodging kidneys etc
mystic barn
“Blur sux”
what if blur isn’t bugged and that the devs intended this to happen and for us to accept this is how dh is supposed to be
Also the fact that dhs can blur > hpriest can fully reset the blur cd > dh can blur again is uhhh
near delta
NF hpriest is absurd
near delta
Ohhhh right
mystic barn
Nf effects meta iirc
near delta
That change in 9.2
*9.1
Did it get buffed or something I didn't really remember people mentioning it too much last season
Or just cause hpriest are so good in general now
mystic barn
It just subtracts 60 sec from defensive cd
And blur is already 1min and soon other dhs will have less than 1min blur
near delta
mystic barn
I was kicking symbols bc mana regen and never noticed that it reduced dcds until earlier today
(Bc usually hpriest symboled themselves for mana)
oh lol it reduces the cd of everyone dcd within 40 yards
near delta
That... is something
spice hornet
rmp opens on me bust blades mindgames bomb
smoke bomb as well
i trinket
rogue 100-0's me in the duel 20 sec later
why is this a thing
near delta
Or assa vs hpriest
Assa vendettas
Use a defensive as usual
Vendetta is right back up before you have cds again
mystic barn
Unless ur dh with symbols of hope
@sharp meteor what’s cd of dbts at max conduits actually
sharp meteor
Queue up, Magnus breaks my skull 
At least the rest of the games went well
earnest wharf
if i don't plan on getting tier set for fury anytime soon since just resubbed since 9.0, should I do legs for deathmaker since it'll be my highest ilvl piece by far?
and legs have bigger stats than cloak?
earnest wharf
ahh i don't have to raid to get a decent ilvl tier set? lol i'm lost since been off too long
undone pumice
teapot does france cosplay
wet scarab
ahh i don't have to raid to get a decent ilvl tier set? lol i'm lost since been...
You can get tier piece in pvp slot that scales in arena and is upgraded with honor
mystic barn
Yes creation catalyst lets you turn pvp pieces into scaling tier, or can drop straight from pvp vault
So don’t bother crafting on legs it’s inting at this point
Waste of money
undone pumice
crafting on legs is gonna be good later
wet scarab
Catalyst unlocks in 9 days I think?
earnest wharf
ahh thx, once i get my rep grind done i'll get the 291 cloak and go for tier then
currently playing venthyr with the 265 Unity belt that gives Sinful Surge. This paired with Deathmaker on cloak, and 4pc set eventually is an OK combo for fury PVP?
sharp meteor
It felt pretty nice to me.
undone pumice
crit haste tier
sharp meteor
I've only got 2pc, though.
undone pumice
it seems like if fury is bis
you replace legs eitg dm/unity
no vers + crit is bad secondary on fury
its not bad but haste and mast is better ykwim
sharp meteor
Potentially, yeah.
sharp meteor
crafting on legs is gonna be good later
There's haste/vers legs from conq, though, aren't there?
Unity ring for more haste, perhaps?
Leg conq + 4pc
sharp meteor
Muh haste
undone pumice
i already hate having signet
on ring
imagine ppl who have signet and unity on ring
no speed ring
manic raptor
I think it just bugs out sometimes, not a BM hunter specific thing, kinda like h...
Ok so i just tested it with a hunter mate of mine, if the hunter is spamming jump, when they are in the air the raging blow damage hits but there is no charge path so you dont charge
sharp meteor
Wow, so the condemn charge bug might've just been...because people jumped?
sharp meteor
Perhaps they share the mini charge mechanic and its interactions.
tawny elm
anybody else that uses plater and have an issues with the nameplates disappearing after hunters feign death?
near delta
anybody else that uses plater and have an issues with the nameplates disappearin...
Need to go to the advanced settings section and unclick "Quick Hide on Death"
tawny elm
aah ok. ty!
subtle tendon
Is venthyr playable as fury or are necro and kyrian just to strong to pass ?
elfin surge
Is venthyr playable as fury or are necro and kyrian just to strong to pass ?
Venthyr is strong with 4 set
upbeat sapphire
So back to the “where to craft DM / Unity” thing, what secondaries does Fury PvP actually want?
Between Helm / Chest / Legs tier stats are H/V / M/H / C/H and we can choose one to supersede with Unity
open glacier
vers is not a thing in pvp anymore?
undone pumice
30+
open glacier
ok thx
undone pumice
although witgout the set bonus vers is weaker now
undone pumice
same
although for some reason
even with 0 mastery gear
i always had 7% masrery
mastery should be the arms stat tho
battle hardened master of weaponry
not using mastery
raw summit
well arm mastery meh
upbeat sapphire
All my hmming and hahing and 291 helm is 94 / 94 +16 with stats of my choosing with 278 tier legs being 117 C / 62 H, or 278 tier helm being 103 H / 77 V with 291 legs 94/94. So 156 H / 117 C / 110 V vs. 197 H / 171 V
raw summit
what
upbeat sapphire
Like I'm overthinking it the difference isn't very much
upbeat sapphire
just choosing where to craft unity on a tier slot
undone pumice
cock
raw summit
undone pumice
stop pveing
upbeat sapphire
So doing Unity Legs is +61 Vers, +41 Haste, -117 Crit vs. Unity Helm
undone pumice
legendary legs/ches
if u can choose
arms wants replace chest
fury replace legss
raw summit
helm is the pve replace 
undone pumice
i know
upbeat sapphire
21k rep ugh. Hated having to do old WQs to get unity in the first place
raw summit
21k rep ugh. Hated having to do old WQs to get unity in the first place
i mean i grinded some old rep so it didnt matter
still dumb though
raw summit
what do you even do there
undone pumice
press whirlwind
upbeat sapphire
that's the bead turn-ins in nagrand? ugh
raw summit
do you have "insane" title
undone pumice
the grindiest thing ive done was probably
ardenweald skinning farm in 9.0
for 5 hours a day for like a week
undone pumice
lattice?
raw summit
yes
undone pumice
i hate lettuce
raw summit
ye but its 6k gold each and bedge af to farm
undone pumice
i think u forgot how fucked my realm economy is
raw summit
tru
wet scarab
grindiest thing you can do is farm Emperor Shaohao rep in timeless isl
I'm exalted by only have 50,000 timeless coins for the mount -_-
whoever thought you should need 100,000 coins for the mount is a nazi
undone pumice
timeless isle
raw summit
@undone pumice thats the monk
raw summit
yes
undone pumice
nobody knows whats wrong with him
wet scarab
it's better not to delve too deeply into your arena partners and their personalities
undone pumice
far too late for that
damn
i gotta level a pala then
ret warr rise up
or feral
i need to level my dudu
wet scarab
just this week I learned that my MW isn't atheist because he believes the world is run by freemasons and they must know something he doesn't
undone pumice
wet scarab
and my rdruid told me he is finding spiritual peace in shamanism
undone pumice
why doesnt he roll a shaman
undone pumice
kekw
wet scarab
my disc priest is the only sane healer I have and that's I think because he's constantly high
being a SL healer really takes a toll it seems
sand shadow
this is Blizzard
on the topic of tier set imbalance in the game 🙂
trying to cap my 0set warrior w/ 2x0set other pepes
vs entire teams w/ 3x4pc
sand shadow
Blizzard devs are just stupid people
I legit have 2 of my regular q partners on the brink of quitting the game rn
not even kidding
or exaggerating
lucid walrus
me & a lot of my friends said as much during unchained
sand shadow
im more chill myself, even tho I hate it, but it gets to some people really badly
the unfairness of it
lucid walrus
was unironically better
fickle forge
We went from "man this guy got weapon in vault" to "this man is literally doing next expansion dmg compared to me with his tier pieces"
undone pumice
sharp meteor
We went from "man this guy got weapon in vault" to "this man is literally doing ...
Matches are like "hunter threw trap into flesh again, doesn't matter, still dead because 8k dps from tier"
Hope they open creation thing tomorrow, even if it's only one piece a week.
sand shadow
Hope they open creation thing tomorrow, even if it's only one piece a week.
its the week after tomorrow innit?
undone pumice
yeah 2 resets from now
undone pumice
hopefully next reset we get the 190 to 249 bugfix
sand shadow
its like arguing with a wall when it comes to shit like this and Blizzard is involved
raiders complained
M+sers complained
pvpers complained
nobody gives a fuck
I personally gave PTR feedback way back when
sand shadow
it became known that it will be a week8 thing, and 1 per week
that 8 weeks will feel absolutely horrible
sharp meteor
they're so insanely slow to make tweaks outside of maybe hotfixing a broken thing
undone pumice
sand shadow
yeah wanna bet the first 4 weeks at least will be max'd out at 1/week?
sand shadow
yeah lets make some people potentially have to wait 12 weeks
to get access to gamebreaking player power
that some lucky people got week 4, for example
10/10 design
undone pumice
10/10
sand shadow
up to 3 months of suffering
sharp meteor
1 pc from vault on all 3 warrs, then a normal piece for 2pc on main from raid
3 boxes on each every week
awful awful awful
undone pumice
i tended to get 1 m+ slot and 3 pvp slots
sand shadow
its insane how obtuse the current gen of blizz devs are, trully
sand shadow
and they dont seem to have any discernible learning curve to them
sand shadow
its like, the shame shit w/ corruptions
the same shit w/ conduits
the same shit w/ covenants
sand shadow
patch after patch, expansion after expansion, the exact same category of design failures
0 learnt over their course
o_O!?!
sand shadow
I am frankly in disbelief
undone pumice
its like this every expansion
lucid walrus
flat development circle
undone pumice
blizz releases exp > its good/bad > they listen to less than .5% of feedback > random systems nobody ever wanted or liked > they half ass fixes
sand shadow
in retention
sharp meteor
i figured it was their numbers guys figuring it was the best financially but really it jusst is incompetence lmao
sharp meteor
like dude the unranked pvp playerbase has gotten jack all for the whole expansion
sand shadow
and you keep doing the same stupid thing over and over and over
sharp meteor
and most people don't play ranked in pvp so like
sharp meteor
surely it's finicnaially in their interests to make unranked pvp a little less shit? even paying literally one guy to make tweaks?
it's just so weird man lmao
months of nothing
sand shadow
I mean, I get them giving the finger to PvPers since they dgaf
lucid walrus
people will say “yeah dude things are grindy bc time metrics” yet the real gate is lockouts for tier at this point
sand shadow
but corruptions, conduits, covenants, legendaries, and now tier
this shit hurts everybody
lucid walrus
honor grind, renown, campaign & 2 legendaries all miserable
sand shadow
yeah but thats so incredibly short sighted anyway
even if these tactics provide a bump in time spent metrics
this is a very short-term strat
people eventually quit
sand shadow
it's a dogshit approach
lucid walrus
making the game feel good
sand shadow
let me give you an example
In S1 SL, for the first time ever, I didn't PvP almost at all
I got 2.4k for the weps, and did tryharding M+
as prot
my Bnet friends kept bugging me the entire season for queues
I wanted to queue
because no M+ at that time
but simply could not, because I couldn't switch my conduits
this is PvP for arms
lucid walrus
yup
lucid walrus
remember covenant swap lockouts LOL
sand shadow
so you have a situation where a person wants to play
lucid walrus
good lord what a joke
lucid walrus
“opportunity cost, meaningful choice”
sand shadow
I would've played way more, and therefore contributed to their blasted time metrics way more, if they just lifted all these nonsenical restrictions
its the same right now
as soon as I got 2pc on my other warrior
I spam queued
because it was fucking fun
and I'd imagine many others feel the same way
something new to test out
to have fun with
lucid walrus
the “good” news at this point is i’m so discouraged from playing alts that i just care about my main warrior
get 3x vault doing whatever with friends —> touch grass and do classwork
sand shadow
yep, good job then blizzard
force players to not play instead of playing
that ought to be good
for the bottom line
fickle forge
Hope they open creation thing tomorrow, even if it's only one piece a week.
Ironically, only people that are having an uneven amount of tier pieces will benefit from week 1 of the catalyst being open 
Others will gain a piece and get no added power
sharp meteor
Like just open it tomorrow and let people craft as many pieces as they want with flux or w/e idk
undone pumice
gold if ur a sadist
sharp meteor
Would've sold some of my tcg if gold was useful
sand shadow
I mean, the damage is already irrevocably done
sharp meteor
maybe s4 will be chill 🤠
actually unreal how much of a mess each expansion is until the final patches
and then they throw everything out and start fresh with a new expansion
sand shadow
yeah, tends to happen when 80iq department-wide people are obviously making decisions for your business
wonder who's dick ion is sucking to not have been fired/replaced about 5 times already
undone pumice
i mean
sand shadow
put him in charge of raids or wtv and get someone with vision
undone pumice
ion should know waht we feel like
undone pumice
he did some of the math for the c?thun "mathematically impossible"
sharp meteor
bruh does he even still play
undone pumice
probably not
but he should know what we feel like now
he was acc good at the game at some point
undone pumice
or yknow
sand shadow
current Renown systems
undone pumice
legendaries being purchased with the RANDOM FUCKING CURRENCY THEY MADE AND NOT GOLD
sand shadow
current legendaries systems
the infuriating part is that this isn't something where you can go "oh, the power of hindisght"
it was obvious
to many, many people
sand shadow
imagine having so little faith in your work
sand shadow
that you still have to artifically prop up some metrics
instead of going the libertarian road, and just allowing people to enjoy your game
sand shadow
I can't imagine the last time any artifical barrier/time gate made real sense
literally every single one I can think of has been self-sabotage
why lock covenants? What does it achieve in real terms? Absolutely nothing
but the downsides are very real
what would've been so damaging to the game about having free access to all covenants? Even from a lore standpoint it made complete sense
seeing as how we're there to assist these pepegas with their broken machine of death etc
gloomy beacon
Yeaaaa the covenant loyalty thing made no sense since it’s not even like the covenants are outright hostile to each other
wooden chasm
im a fury player trying to climb arena should i learn arms if i want to actually play competitively or is fury going to be better? I saw mes playing fury in AWC but not sure if that was comp dependent
sand shadow
both work/are good rn
undone pumice
it woud literally make more sense to not have alli + horde chars at the same realm
but it doesnt because we abandoned that conflict uhh
every expanison so far
thin hornet
Using my conquest on weapons first is the way to go right? For Fury
sharp meteor
Buy one conquest 2h asap, yes.
sharp meteor
im a fury player trying to climb arena should i learn arms if i want to actually...
Fury is good/fine.
thin hornet
not second asap as well?
sharp meteor
not second asap as well?
Nope.
near delta
A fully upgraded honor one is pretty good since it has haste
undone pumice
donkey go ptsd from 4pc dh+dk+hpal
sharp meteor
Can't wait to queue fury, havoc or frost mage with nf hpriest to get big cd cdr
onyx dagger
im regearing my dh rn and just got 2 set this week
flat isle
their 4 set also makes meta insanely short
With PvE uptime the average reduction from 4 set is like 30 seconds
I find a lot of DHs don't even think 4 piece is worth it
raw summit
their 2 set is dumb
i really didnt expect it
so i just got eaten
if i was arm itd been a bit easier
sharp meteor
I find a lot of DHs don't even think 4 piece is worth it
Idk 20-30 off meta seems worth
raw summit
but then healer got 10k sweep'D
near delta
their 4 set also makes meta insanely short
Can nf priest make meta cd even shorter?
spice hornet
yes
sharp meteor
Can nf priest make meta cd even shorter?
Yes.
near delta
Lmao
spice hornet
but then healer got 10k sweep'D
ive been hit with a 16k sweep from 1 slash
so that was probably over 20k
sharp meteor
My healer giving me CDR and Power Infusion
flat isle
20-30 off a 4 minute cooldown isn't SUPER huge. Like I mean I guess it's not terrible but it's not as strong as some other 4 pieces
Like destro/fury etc
sharp meteor
It's a few little slashes then a super big one (that also applies the ms).
You can SOMETIMES outplay it
like feigning it on hunter so it does no dam
near delta
When you get crit for 25k by an empowered fel rush
flat isle
Destro 4 piece is insane
near delta
Speaking of alts, is there a good way to get caught up on cosmic flux?
onyx dagger
20-30 off a 4 minute cooldown isn't SUPER huge. Like I mean I guess it's not ter...
you take the talent bringing meta to 2 mincd
near delta
Seems like quite a bit for 2 291 leggos
flat isle
I mean its a 90 seconds meta that lasts 10 seconds
onyx dagger
I mean its a 90 seconds meta that lasts 10 seconds
it lasts 21 seconds
full quiver
you would run it with the 4pc
onyx dagger
25 second base, minus 10, +6 from 4p
full quiver
since you get 2x the value from it
flat isle
It reduces by 10 seconds
onyx dagger
right
full quiver
then you get additional 6 from eye beam during it
onyx dagger
its not at all necessary, and for plenty of comps there are better options
but on longer matches its really valuable
flat isle
I guess it's more that I find a lot of other tier 4 piece bonuses more problematic than DH
onyx dagger
for sure agree, you feel dh 2p more than the 4p when matching against it
im running around critting people for 15-20k with sweep rn just randomnly
sand shadow
in 2s, 4pc meta DH is worth it 100000%
Fought a number of them
they play w/ demonic origins w/ it pretty sure
onyx dagger
yup
flat isle
I also don't do many 2s above 2100 because I already hate myself enough in 3s spam Qing into MLX
Got my conduits in 3s and that was already torture
onyx dagger
i mean i extra dont like it after picking up the dh again
sand shadow
warrior was, and continues to be B-Tier in 2s
sand shadow
its actually even worse this patch, because your biggest counters got even stronger relatively speaking
all I know is I've not joined a single 2v2 game in ages
where I see the enemy comp
and feel like I have the definitive advantage
elfin surge
but, dh/fury/x
🥵
sand shadow
of all the stuff thats popular at high mmr, the fairest matchups are vs sub/hpriest
flat isle
To be fair, in 2s I just go full ape when I see a hunter or something mobile.
Double time, RA and I have 4 set
Just basically zerg them and either kill or die
near delta
Reckless abandon into hunters is beautiful
onyx dagger
i dont have 4p yet, should try fury again when i get
near delta
Double time and warbringer and just never let then have a moments peace
wheat jay
played against 3 fury warrs with 4set yesterday
just additional 12 charges
yep
ngl, fury is the bm hunter of season 3
but heals more
xD
nimble jasper
basically dh isnt it
wheat jay
dh you can stop
or kite it
slow
root etc
also i don't think dh is at the level of last season bm
whereas fury is
just my opinion
nimble jasper
they’re both really dumb
minus blur is literal immunity while its up
think im starting to see more wws again after awc
smh people actually thought it was gonna be bad initially
wheat jay
lol
sand shadow
fury is overhyped AF rn tbf
wheat jay
do you have 4set?
nimble jasper
people are sheep to w/e people q on awc
near delta
I've been playing arms in 3s again lately and I really prefer it
sand shadow
2pc and a brain, yes
near delta
Only have 3 tier pieces though
sand shadow
idk, people told me I was crazy that warlocks would smash
near delta
When are rshams getting that buff
sand shadow
or that resonator would be RMP toy
or that echoing resolve is OP AF
I can keep listing
🙂
wheat jay
resolve kekw
wheat jay
love how whenever i see resolve on healer, i know its a free win xD
sharp meteor
ghetto as spear trinket wym
near delta
The only people saying that it wouldnt were rmps and warlocks lol
sharp meteor
i think my healer nearly died when i bombed somebody week 1 in a spear for like 50k
raw summit
one q why does chaosbolt dam sometimes come twice
sharp meteor
one q why does chaosbolt dam sometimes come twice
because destro needed that
or do u mean havoc
nimble jasper
considering you can just disable root off the trinket
every time
@sand shadow saw a guy on forums defending resolve lock
near delta
I average about 12k per crushing blow with RA
nimble jasper
“they didnt play it into ww mage in awc therefore its fine”
sand shadow
people told me I am a literal idiot to suggest Echoing Resolve will change the face of arena
nimble jasper
yeah dont play it into a comp that can literally make your trinket useless
resolve mlx is dumber than rmp rn
sand shadow
so yeah, I guess I don't pay much attention to what most people say
nimble jasper
and nothing will change my mind on that
sand shadow
resolve is the dumbest thing to touch arena, yes 🙂
in my personal opinion
i'd rather have drestagath back
nimble jasper
my biggest issue with rmp is mostly just
near delta
Why are they futzing around with basic arena mechanics
nimble jasper
that comp should not be allowed
near delta
So sketch
raw summit
because destro needed that
destro
sharp meteor
i'd rather have drestagath back
drest u could at least split
sharp meteor
lmao owned
undone pumice
😎 👍
sand shadow
because people w/ 1.8k lifetime xp are designing, thats why
and that 1.8K was from 4 expansions ago :>
sharp meteor
unironically feels like
fire has so many safety nets that i swear
a 2k mage player made it
nimble jasper
my healer q’d his lock alt to help a raid friend get 1.8
dude legit 2 taps like
5 teams in a row
sharp meteor
dude i uqueed with a 4pc destro and the other day i was polymophing a warr at 80% and he kills him
then asked what i hit him with
not relaizing that he killed him
wheat jay
a 2k mage player made it
let me introduce you to rogue
sharp meteor
WARLOCK RISING UP
sand shadow
I got 104K'd in 1.0sec (got screenshot proof) by a 2k Demo, that we sat on and did the maximum to prevent him from ramping up
undone pumice
caut
ice block
shimmer
alter time
pod
a rogue constantly ccing everyone hwo tries to kill ur pod
how tf do u die
sand shadow
because apparently stopping his ramp up is so ez 🙂
nimble jasper
@sharp meteor my friend queued into an hpal team
sharp meteor
I got 104K'd in 1.0sec (got screenshot proof) by a 2k Demo, that we sat on and d...
maybe he just got good wym lol 500 iq setup cmon
wheat jay
with vanish, melee immunity, magic immunity, smoke bomb, shadow duel, blind, 20s stun, spammable stun, and highest burst in the game
nimble jasper
where the guy decides to come out to middle of the map to cast a holy light
into an mld with full cds going
near delta
I got 104K'd in 1.0sec (got screenshot proof) by a 2k Demo, that we sat on and d...
I took a 60k and 40k bolt in 1 second survived the first only cause of aegis lol
sharp meteor
rogue/mage actually the most toxic thing in the game
sand shadow
wheat jay
im fine with rogue doing weird shit
undone pumice
ur mage hast o be
wheat jay
but why is it so bursty?
sharp meteor
oh yeah had a game the other day where im like whats this hpal doing look at him a sec
and he died in under a sec full hp
undone pumice
a quintuple amputee to die in rog mage
sharp meteor
epic new necro build
nimble jasper
actually you’d be amazed
at how many career 1.8 mages cant cast
vs meleecleaves
prob why class isnt nerfed yet
nimble jasper
cuz devs are low rated monkeys
sharp meteor
i had a friend of a friend who was like 2k on destro in bfa for 2500 games and im like YOOO only queue with destro or fire bro literally nothing else dont @ me
nimble jasper
i swear mage it feels like
wheat jay
@nimble jasper bold of you to assume there are any pvp devs
sharp meteor
few weeks later he's 2600
undone pumice
haha i love pressing 1 button /year or pressing 50 buttons per frame
sand shadow
I mean, I get it that some specs are more complex to play. I alt BM, DH, I can confirm that. Point is, there are many people that CAN play them
And when they meet other people that are experts at their own classes, and just get clapped no RE
it's simply not an excuse
sharp meteor
at least melee meta is fun
yeah give me retwarr over mage/lock any day lmao
i had a bricked wr vs retwarr last season too
sand shadow
I tried retwarr btw for the first time a few days ago
sand shadow
shit is boring AF
mystic barn
Retwar is cringe
wheat jay
hard to have fun stuff in wow
sand shadow
give me melee/caster/healer comps any day
sharp meteor
I tried retwarr btw for the first time a few days ago
i like the idea of bolting healer onto hoj dps but like usually just mong healer
sand shadow
we really need to get back to that
sharp meteor
yeah ranged/warr/healer most fun
wheat jay
cuz meta is either braindead running like ret warr or tsg
sharp meteor
well aside from double healer i love turbo
wheat jay
or casters and rmp
undone pumice
u forgot turbo @wheat jay
nimble jasper
and yes my healer’s ui is asscancer
wheat jay
turbo at least needs play totems defensives kinda well
undone pumice
not rlly
wheat jay
well, maybe not now cuz healing surge crits for 50k
sand shadow
@nimble jasper clearly an insanely talented warlock player
undone pumice
ok but
sand shadow
2140 lifetime xp
nimble jasper
undone pumice
lol
nimble jasper
he only did lock pve before mainswapping to healer
sand shadow
no clue how you managed to stack all these modifiers, been told its impossible
only god's own son could manage that feat
undone pumice
like
wheat jay
same as affli last season
undone pumice
why do classes completely fluctuate between S tier COMPLETELY OP and d tier unplayable right guys
wheat jay
snorts line of cocaine BRUH YOU NEED TO DO 50 THINGS TO GET GOOD AFFLI BURST, MAN ITS HARD
sand shadow
because the competition is brutal nowadays
wheat jay
so is rogue
sand shadow
trust me when I tell you, when I was a god of PvP in TBC
sand shadow
Anyone even remotely lower exp than me
nimble jasper
sometimes
sand shadow
I'd completely stomp
wheat jay
@nimble jasper 
sure it does buddy
sand shadow
even 2.4k players nowadays are gods compared to people back then
undone pumice
"back in the day i'd whoop these young whippersnappers"
nimble jasper
early 9.0 rogue post skulkers oneshot abuse you could say rogue was only a tier
undone pumice
wheat jay
fam
nimble jasper
and venthyr onedance duel
wheat jay
still s tier
sand shadow
You can literally sit and watch how its done, on every single spec in the game, on Twitch, every day, 24/7
wheat jay
O_O
sand shadow
and just appropriate the knowledge
wheat jay
its how you get better tho
nimble jasper
but rmp was s
wheat jay
watch people better than you
wheat jay
@elfin surge when stream?
elfin surge
<@!269709440146604032> when stream?
nev
nimble jasper
Idk the kyrian lego for rogue made shit really dumb
cuz now they can solo you without the mage’s help
sand shadow
i will stay hard stuck if magnus whaaz or mud arent streaming
don't get rotational tips from whazz fury pls
nimble jasper
at all
elfin surge
i want to see more mud gaming action
im toxic now
undone pumice
i will
mute strim
ez
donkey i dont watch streamers for rotation
my ego is too big for that
sand shadow
he's a god player, but he's really misplaying Fury for now
elfin surge
im the fury godfather
near delta
he's a god player, but he's really misplaying Fury for now
What is he doing curious?
jaunty furnace
he's a god player, but he's really misplaying Fury for now
How do you misplay fury 
nimble jasper
i mean arms rotation is
sand shadow
wanna
nimble jasper
pretty mortal strike
undone pumice
nimble jasper
press ip
elfin surge
warrior dps is braindead ez
sand shadow
see if you can outdps me
undone pumice
both of the specs dont have a hard rotation wtf
nimble jasper
why is ignore pain still one of the best dmg buttons
sand shadow
I am not saying it's a hard rotation, I am saying it's more complex than Arms 🙂
elfin surge
prot is hardest rotation
near delta
Fury is just hard cause it can make your wrist fall off
nimble jasper
they should have hit ip not d stance
sand shadow
You have 3 things to maximize uptime of
nimble jasper
arms easy you just use bis macro
jaunty furnace
I’ve been playing fury in 2s but idk what talents to go with
nimble jasper
to press both of your important buttons
undone pumice
bis macro
sharp meteor
dstance is cringe bounding stride every game
undone pumice
lets go
sand shadow
you laugh, but it's very true 🙂
sharp meteor
i haven't pressed dstance in my last 20 games minus opener vs rm
jaunty furnace
I also play Necro fury idk if that’s the move
sand shadow
for 2s it is for sure
sharp meteor
don't look at me like that
wheat jay
What is dsstance?