I did fucking normal and LFR
#pvp
raw summit
imma try do my 2 tier bosses
sand shadow
got 2nd tier on my hunter as well kek
sand shadow
this shit looks like real poop for BM tho, doesn't it?
since I don't even have Kill Command on my bars 
sand shadow
since its crit chance will be so much higher, mb it starts outperforming Cobra Shot in Arena, idk
but who cares about BM anyway
I got 2 pcs boys, I'm happy
my main warrior is still stuck on 0 tho
so im not happy
radiant oasis
whats this skill demon hunters have where they summon an enemy demon to attack them
sand shadow
it's the necro covenant ability
randomly spawns a demon when doing damage
demon is oneshottable w/ throw glaive
gives them healing and 20% dmg for up to 29sec at this point iirc
radiant oasis
interesting ty
sand shadow
w/ dbl leggo, the demon also explodes for AoE
and applies Fiery Brand on all nearby targets
which also hits for like 7k in arena iirc
and targets w/ Fiery Brand deal 30% less damgur to the DH (it's from their tanking kit)
sand shadow
hence why they play it, despite NF having a "oneshot" build atm btw
can do like 50k dmg non crit in a Hunt (procs Immo) -> Dash (w/ the talent) -> Immo again -> Dash again (or the other way around)
wet scarab
did some 4pc NF fury memeing last night, was quite a lot of fun even if it's useless
the constant rampage/recklessness is pog
won more games than I did as kyrian arms
wet scarab
the fun stopped after queuing into guardian druids with the 4pc
sand shadow
Ah, this is just lovely... I picked a Chestpiece reward from the Vault on the warrior I already have a 285 chestpiece on, thinking I was on my other warrior
Wonder if there's any chance whatsoever Blizzard CS will give a fuck
Can't actually remember the last time any of my tickets weren't a flat "No, fuck off"
full quiver
lol no shot
sharp meteor
Nope.
I do remember when they were a little more flexible. I'm 99% sure people took advantage so now they're super strict. Remember the xmog exploit?
sharp meteor
No, you'd just mog a piece during the 2 hour trade window, give it to a buddy then they'd submit a ticket and go hey I lost a mog piece, the proof I had it is this random mogged level 30 piece that I just got, that had been mogged to t3 or whatever.
Obviously fixed now but you used to be able to basically ticket your way to anything short of ashbringer.
mortal wyvern
I don't want none of this
full quiver
No, you'd just mog a piece during the 2 hour trade window, give it to a buddy th...
lmfao
do any of you know if i need to save conq to buy second weapon as fury
or if i should just buy random armor pieces
sharp meteor
Uh, I'm not sure. In the case offhands it's usually better to buy gear but maybe fury is different.
Honestly they're so expensive that I'd just grab the haste 2h for honor then buy conq pieces and hope for antoher wep out of box.
wet scarab
there is a haste 2H in necrotic wake
doesn't scale obviously so you'd have to loot it at a high mythic run and upgrade it to max or get it in the vault
sand shadow
do any of you know if i need to save conq to buy second weapon as fury
Been thinking about this, but so far I've avoided going for a 2nd one, even though I could've gotten it
full quiver
yeah if i buy armor i can get ilvl lookin good
i bought the crit 2h because all the ladder was using it as fury
sand shadow
Right now, your highest prio as Fury is defo the Tier set, which is why I skipped on one of the 2Hs (had 2H + 2xTier last week)
The other reason is, I am not 100% playing Fury
so as Arms, a 2nd 2H is a complete waste
raw summit
i got myself conq hast belt
sand shadow
otherwise, a high ilvl OH might be better than armor, since all your attacks use its AP in their dmg calculations
guess that's a thing PvE'rs in #fury will know
prolly simmed the shit out of it, and long ago
raw summit
well mainhand is x2,something value compared to oh
raw summit
but oh is ahead of other strenght gains
per the not really accountable stat weight sims
sand shadow
My guess is that OH outperforms
sand shadow
lol no shot
I guess it's irrelevant anyway
Doesn't seem like there are many people doing Customer Support these days anyway
the strategy is probably "say no to as much as possible since we don't have the manpower to care"
full quiver
lol
sand shadow
I did nothing to "game" the system, I didn't even move out of Oribos
Like getting loot from elsewhere etc, that changes my Vault priorities
it's perfectly reasonable for them to help in this case
I know they won't 🙂
Which raises the question... why isn't there at least a short refund window for GVault like when you buy PvP gear etc?
I can't be the first person to make a stupid mistake like this 😄
raw summit
i hope itll work 🙏
sand shadow
Guess it doesn't really matter big picture wise
this guy is cursed anyway
0 tier from so many boxes over 6 weeks
yikes
raw summit
abandoned war 
sand shadow
Keep in mind I also did Normal/LFR multiple times
for at least an additional 8 chances to drop from the bosses themselves 😄
3rd season in a row where my "main" warrior is forced into an "alt warrior" btw
mystic barn
Can't actually remember the last time any of my tickets weren't a flat "No, fuck...
at least they tell you to fuck off they never respond to my dh blur bug reports
sand shadow
Each season so far in SL, my "alt" has gotten better Vault luck 😄
mystic barn
dh went from squishiest target in the game to tankiest especially with brand now
like hello game
sand shadow
idk if I agree w/ tankiest, but they're definitely not easy to kill when played well
Boomkins and Mages still exist
raw summit
if they dont blur offensively (dont ask, ive seen it) its p hard to go them
mystic barn
dh just exists al lgame
mystic barn
just give them more buttons lol
sand shadow
idk, most DHs I meet in 2s are pretty garbo compared to that Snowmixy simp guy
Melan
guy won't let me touch him, ever
everyone else just tanks me, idk why
elfin surge
🤪
mystic barn
mud more like dum
elfin surge
: )
elfin surge
I play 5 warriors
sand shadow
I can see that
elfin surge
😎
sand shadow
undone pumice
how do dhs nlur offensively??
sand shadow
I see 3 more available
undone pumice
to avoiv disarm??
raw summit
raw summit
i found it while doing some rep for cosmetics
you cant share it though
since its part of a quest chain
scarlet barn
undone pumice
kekw
plain wing
Gonna be able to buy my first non weapon piece this week; what is recommended? Stay away from chest/legs/gloves im guessing cuz of tier
so that leaves like boots, jewelry, or cape?
frank knoll
Still at 1/4 for my set
At this point I feel like there’s zero reason to queue until I have atleast the 2 set, since everyone else seems to have it
frank knoll
idk, most DHs I meet in 2s are pretty garbo compared to that Snowmixy simp guy
Lmao that guy is something else on Twitter
sand shadow
oh, idk if he's a nice guy or a toxic one or really even a simp
but he has been playing w/ Snowmixy for ages, daily
fickle forge
Mixy be rotating dem DHs 😎 👍
sand shadow
toxic or a simp or whatever, he's pretty good 2s player DH wise
the difference between fighting him and any other DH is noticeable to me
he's extremely evasive and has very good awareness
"pre-blurs" a lot
sand shadow
I mean, it's not exactly the hardest thing, I guess, if you understand what is happening in SL arena
but it's not just that, as I said, he's also very annoying w/ cage
many goes he single-handedly defuses by just understanding that we're preparing cross CC ahead of time
and preemptively caging me
sharp meteor
Okay, but 99% of DHs "pre-blurs"
had a game last season where dh didn't wanna blur and just darked
and i killed him through it
without cc on healer
fickle forge
Don't recall having faced Melan, but Snowmixy has been relative free for me thus far
sand shadow
Snowmixy is not very good 
And this is not me hating on her because she's a girl or anything
Realistically, she's OG Gladiator level in my books at best
certainly not R1
fickle forge
I mean it's just subjective if you don't think she's good
sand shadow
I guess, it's just my opinion 🙂
not hate or anything, I have zero feelings for her one way or another
fickle forge
The only thing I know is that I never get any FUCKING healing when I cap my vaults with her
sand shadow
oh, you're EU as well? 🙂
sand shadow
can confirm that my experience with @fickle forge so far indicates that he has been correct every single time
likely he's correct that EU is, indeed, BiS
noflameofc NA nerds ❤️
sharp meteor
NA isn't forced to play with the Fr*nch.
fickle forge
Can I get France's best warrior to defend his community on this one @steep inlet
steep inlet
haha im not the best
anyway I found some fucking leet thing for war kargish
Will pm you
Game changer
full quiver
karg is a noob
sand shadow
lovely, even more people now w/ 4pc
and me and my healer have 0, legit 0
slight damage difference
just 600K more damage
mystic barn
He has a 2pc lol
just gonna guess you tried to peel the dh the whole time while he was cleaving off healer
sand shadow
No, we did healer race more or less
And I checked him after the game, and he did have 4 pieces equipped
And now it shows just 2
mystic barn
sus
sand shadow
yes, I linked his name so anyone can check, and lied
mystic barn
Just seems weird he would take off 2 of his pieces 🤷🏿♂️
flat isle
The DH 4 set is pretty meh tier
undone pumice
maybe to see how boosted he is by 4 pc
flat isle
At least in PvE
sand shadow
I get that, I am trying to figure out why that happened
I am sure I saw 4pc, but this is so unlikely that he took them off and Armory just now updated
flat isle
DH 4 set only makes a difference in PvE if the fight is like 8-10 minutes long. So it's not that amazing in 2s
Its possible he just isn't wearing it
sand shadow
oh right, I think I just got confused, its that survival that got 4pc
flat isle
True. I'd more lean towards them just not using 4 set since the amount of fury you need to spend to actually get an extra meta isn't worth it most of the time
sand shadow
yea its this guy https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/maiver
@mystic barn is right, I am wrong
full quiver
a lot of the 4pc people are saying isn't worth it
flat isle
Depends on the class
spiral marsh
252 set piece anygood (pve normal) ? Cause i can also take my second weap as fury
sharp meteor
I mean on some specs it's bad sure especially because most people using rat normal pieces
flat isle
Yeah DH 4 set is garbage for arena unless the game is omega damp and even then not really
sharp meteor
but it's not like the stats are that much better in most cases
flat isle
Meanwhile destro 4 set
sharp meteor
dh 4pc looks great
sand shadow
I guess it all comes down to how much Fury you generate in an arena setting, on average, in a minute
full quiver
yeah i don't see how dh 4pc is bad
if you are full haste
and play short meta
you get double value
throw in a NF disc giving you the CD reduction buff
and you have like a 70% uptime on meta lol
flat isle
I was talking to a few of my DHs in my raiding guild and the math just means even on raiding targets you maybe knock off like 20-25 zeconds
sand shadow
70 Fury for 1sec reduction sounds like a lot, but then again I am thinking in terms of Rage, and they do generate much more
sharp meteor
like alternative stats aren't bad, trinket bonus is dead, although i guess vers is nice for havoc
we'll see
full quiver
kinda locks you into that talent choice tho
6s on a 30s meta every 4 mins (minus 30s or w/e) isn't great
full quiver
i believe it does
sand shadow
I mean the one where it procs from Beam
full quiver
oh it dodesn't work on that
sharp meteor
Dfemonic? No
flat isle
No it doesn't
sharp meteor
That'd be silly
mystic barn
lol
sand shadow
I mean
full quiver
it should work on the 2 min meta tho
full quiver
due an eyebeam get 12s of meta
sand shadow
there's so much shit in the game atm
full quiver
lmfao
sharp meteor
No it doesn't
Oh, and how is prot in 3s?
sharp meteor
I thought that the bonus looked interesting
fickle forge
anyway I found some fucking leet thing for war kargish
Bring it 👀
sand shadow
did they even fix arenamate?
flat isle
Yeah I raid as prot. I've been kinda flipping back and forth between fury/arms
sand shadow
was borked for the longest time after they introduced GDPR in EU
sharp meteor
It keeps showing me as fury on main warr despite only playing arms hmm
flat isle
I've got 3 piece but might get scammed out of my 4th piece this week
sand shadow
or for when they pay Checkpvp to hide their characters from teh database 😄
flat isle
Thinking once I get 4 pc I'm stuck as fury forever
sand shadow
I like CheckPvP the best
sand shadow
none of them have all I need in one place, sadly
flat isle
CheckPvP good for flexing internet penis
Murlok.io good for trying to figure out how the fuck I play other classes
sand shadow
CheckPvP for example doesn't show date the highest rating was achieved
Xunamate does
so I can tell whether that 3.1k player is OG 3.1k or SL S2 3.1k
which are two veeeeery different things
sharp meteor
Highest 3106 achieved on 22.02.2022 
sand shadow
which is really like 2.7k or sth pre-hyperinflation
sharp meteor
I liked wod where tabard waas 2600 and so was glad
flat isle
Because if the druid played any other comp they just insta died
sand shadow
highest CR is bait anyway, much rather have % based achievements for the various seasons
sharp meteor
ye
sand shadow
OG Gladiator on EU in SL S2 was about 3111+ CR kek
sharp meteor
Yeah, I remember just wanting to push for 0.5% cutoff and was happy to get that.
sand shadow
if we assume that CheckPvP's data for ~145k players is correct ofc
sharp meteor
We could've probably gotten another 100-150ish if we started playing earlier but my healer doesn't really like rdruid.
sand shadow
I mean, 0.5% is pretty Elite
sharp meteor
I wanted to see how far we could get actually pushing. My first season putting in more than minimum effort.
sand shadow
that's why Blizzard ought to return a breakpoint at 0.5% really
last season, the delta between the two rewards was like 1200 CR
sharp meteor
Current glad is super free, named glad still super hard. Giant rift in between, especially in these long seasons.
Yeah.
sand shadow
2400 for Glad and like 3.5k+ for R1
sharp meteor
Most of our queues last season were into current 3500ish teams on their second or third set of chars of the same spec.
sand shadow
that's another thing btw
they ought to just make it account wide and leave it at that
sharp meteor
which was like good practice but it just feels bad to have nothing between glad and r1 when there's a 1k+ cr gap
sand shadow
and just not count people playing alts
sharp meteor
also I wonder if my teammates lobbed me for a x15 r1 guy as we haven't queued in a week
sharp meteor
Hopefully not but it's hard to compete with somebody that's just that much better.
steep inlet
Current glad is super free, named glad still super hard. Giant rift in between, ...
This is just false
It depend on season
S1 SL Glad in end of season was atrocious with deflation
In s2 super easy
Dépend on season only
sharp meteor
s1 was weird because they nuked mmr
s2-3 bfa were deflated because game was awful and unfun
sharp meteor
queue up and dh/dk just eat your face while taking no dam
steep inlet
At 2600
fickle forge
queue up and dh/dk just eat your face while taking no dam
DK takes no dmg?
Or are we talking BFA hero cleave? 👀
sharp meteor
BFA hero, yeah. Back when half of games were Unh with tank trinket death striking for 40% of their health pool.
sand shadow
rofl they call that hero cleave?
sharp meteor
Hero classes.
sharp meteor
I remember quitting bfa until s4 
sand shadow
same here, more or less hahah
sharp meteor
I'm sad that I didn't get the light blue proto but it seemed so unfun.
sand shadow
only actually tried in bfa s1
I'm never using a prot glad mount, ever
its stupid as shit
sharp meteor
I love the protos.
sand shadow
why would I ride on a malformed drake
its like the runt of the glad mounts family
I really like the SL drakes, but they're simply everywhere
sharp meteor
It's actually such an insane amount, but I guess seasons are long and tons of people are buying them because they're cool.
Was always funny to pull up the armory of a warrior and see that they bought a boost
as a warr in sl
undone pumice
i didnt even have a bfa max level till s4
kul tiras and zandalar literally
did not spend a single minute there after getting allied races
manic gyro
yo quick question, i see alot of ppl going deathmaker for fury in pvp, is it that much better than Signet of tormented kings? why so
or do i just stick with arms
sharp meteor
Nobody knows. All three work, though.
short sable
Fury PvP, 4p worth it?
steep inlet
lol ofc
short sable
with RA over AM?
sharp meteor
4pc obviously worth, unsure as to which final talent.
they both seem to have potential
undone pumice
i would change it depending on if u think u have uptime
rmp i would take RA for example
cuz u need to make ur uptime count
sand shadow
oh right, those
I mean, they'd be so much cooler if they were unique to glad, but there are like, a number of Gronnlings that can be easily obtained elsewhere right?
nimble jasper
i mean the colorings were unique iirc but
sand shadow
the SL ones are unique to glad
nimble jasper
gronnlings werent unique themselves
there was one from mission table and one from the poundfist rare
undone pumice
sunhide and coalhide gronnlings right
nimble jasper
altho i guess some people will argue mop drakes arent super unique either
sunhide and idk other
nimble jasper
nah arena started in bc
nimble jasper
s1 one was called swift gladiator’s netherdrake
no named glad
or anything
main difference was, armored netherdrakes
still the coolest if you look past the fact how low res they are
by modern standards
raw summit
Netherdrakes in general dope
spiral marsh
So signet of tormented kings on finger is good shit for arms right?
raw summit
signet goes finger but you dont really use it
spice hornet
signet bad for arms lol
spice hornet
oh yeah drop a big ravager
undone pumice
in CN
spice hornet
while spamming condemn
spiral marsh
now i have no clue, create tormented kings or deathmaker
warped warren
yeah I 100% use my s1 nether Drake
not even brutal 
tranquil hemlock
Both are good
steep inlet
S1 is OG
tight totem
can we play with locks? how would that comp work
sharp meteor
u just pve
sharp meteor
like aff can't die so they just run around while doing 9k dps until enemy team is dead
just gotta live until second soul
wet scarab
now i have no clue, create tormented kings or deathmaker
deathmaker gets full value when you have 4pc, it's very op there, before that it's good but I like signet a lot for random burst windows and the procs remove snares
you can do a shit ton of damage cycling through them
deft mirage
avatar/recklessness proc on full time
when from signet right?
or is it a reduced time version
wet scarab
it's a shorter proc when it's the other one yeah
so if you pop reck and it gives BS it's shorter
BS that is
deft mirage
I see
sand shadow
imagine
fixing Guardian 4pc
but not addressing locks doing
140K dmg in 1.2s
140K
ancient sonnet
is there a haste 2h??
Necro'd reply but yea, the Aspirant 2h is haste/vers and on par with max ilvl season 2 weps when fully upgraded.
mystic barn
_140K_
most annoying part is that they can holy the decimating bolt demon bolts for awhile lol
so you can't really prepare for it
sharp meteor
get owned noob they need that
starting to see locks getting picked up harder
than havoc last season
MAKE IT STOP
I HATE PURPLE CLASSES
sand shadow
I could play a lame ass game and just wait out balespider
sharp meteor
LOCK MAKES GAME UNFUN
sand shadow
thats irrleevent
no spec, under no circumstances
whether it's "kickable" or whatever
should be able to do 140K
wet scarab
the lock thing is insane, I spent a game in which I did 300k damage as fury, the lock did nothing basically until a minute in and killed me with 120k demonbolt
near delta
Seeing more and more double lock in 3s. I hate it here.
near delta
if you get avatar, reck, conq banner going
People just randomly disarm you since they have no idea whats going on. Lol
full quiver
Love it when reck pops avatar, you rampage, then hit bs
near delta
I've been just full sending with reckless abandon in 2s
People will just die in the opener if they don't pop anything
Probably be better whenever I get 4 pc
pale minnow
yooo quick question, where should I craft my double leggo on fury? wanna play deathmaker + unity
undone pumice
i am slowly grtting closer to rolling an arcane mage every time hey guise where unity is bosted
sharp meteor
hey guys where craft unity i am 192 ilev prot male nelf that only does rbgs tyty
raw summit
leaper on head with mastery crit should be bis for you then
also dont forget to take of the rest of your gear to reach light equipload for max rolls
wet scarab
And remember leggos weigh more because they’re plate so try to replace on or two items with mail or leather
near delta
Merce actually took leaper into jungle in the awc last week. Went very poorly but what a chad.
vapid ruin
is unity on fingernails good?
wet scarab
Bis unless you get tier there
vapid ruin
stupid tiers gotta make me reroll
wet scarab
Merce actually took leaper into jungle in the awc last week. Went very poorly bu...
I respect this level of chadness
near delta
I crafted unity on my shirt so it didn't take up any other slots
wet scarab
I played night fae fury to 1900 last night
Switched to arms thinking ok this is getting serious
Promptly dropped 70 rating
undone pumice
i crafted unity on my foreskn
vapid ruin
haste vers?
wet scarab
Need crit for foreskin slot
vapid ruin
does it get a socket?
spice hornet
Switched to arms thinking ok this is getting serious
I love seeing arms in 2s
Cause I know it’s gonna be a fair, non cheesy match
wet scarab
Yeah same, just pure ggs, outplay or get outplayed
I really don’t get the fun in all these dumb setup based comps and games with complete cheese
You’re completely destroying somebody and then they randomly one shot you
Don’t see the fun in that all
wicked bison
Every game feels like it's just people running away from me till I'm dead.
deft mirage
What do you guys feel more consistent on 2s, deathmaker or signet? And why so?
I've been playing deathmaker mostly and sephuz on some games, but wanted to try out signet soon prob
raw summit
im prefering dm
is more dam
signet mainly is ugly if u roll a bs when you wanna smorc
deft mirage
I mean if you roll an unlucky bs you can just have cancelauras on rampage and so and cancel quickly, but I do understand that'd be a down cuz you always want avatar to proc
I was wondering mainly because I saw like 8 signets out of 10 of the top players on ladder
raw summit
well dm is essentially an avatar proc
but every rampage could get it
its a statcheck lego like eb imo
lucid walrus
signet makes reck a snare/root break no matter what and that's pretty cool
deft mirage
its true that its really solid stat wise
the items you craft for signet
like ring/neck gives you a total of 320haste/vers with the unity lego
maybe thats why they pick it
raw summit
all i can do is tell you why i dont pick it 🤷
while frenzied bladestorms do do a shit ton of dam
deft mirage
ik was just wondering around, I do get your point and I actually thought the same on most
raw summit
while frenzied bladestorms do do a shit ton of dam
its a bit random
also signet incentivizes AM
deft mirage
yeah to proc more times
I guess I'll try it, it's not that I have an alt character to waste the gold on so
deft mirage
I've been doing a pretty good stack of gold just mining elethium between q's of arena
when I noticed I've just gathered like 100k on 2-3 days of arena and was like huh, nice
raw summit
im one of those that just sits in the airport
i had more from zm but thats all 291s now
wet scarab
deathmaker's value is good but really shines if you have 4pc because of all the insane synergy between the extra raging blows, rampage proccing recklessness and the leggo effect, and because it makes it a lot harder for teams to come back from a particularly damaging go - you basically stay on offense all the time and they never recover
that said I play signet a lot more because it's fucking hilarious
deft mirage
im one of those that just sits in the airport
hahaha, im pretty inquiet so I mostly do it to calm the wait of q's (?
deft mirage
deathmaker's value is good but really shines if you have 4pc because of all the ...
Yeah it might be pretty pog on 4pc
sadly im still waiting to get the first )?
wet scarab
I would go signet in that case, it's super fun, is basically a root break, and nobody understands what to do against fury anyway
deft mirage
if 4pc procs reckless abandon too (which I don't know) it's also fucking insane
wet scarab
4pc is so good that I was randomly winning NF fury games lel
raw summit
I would go signet in that case, it's super fun, is basically a root break, and n...
proc a BS and watch them toss their disarm
since their arena weakaura told them
"RECK"
wet scarab
heh
raw summit
deft mirage
i got 2p and thats p <:bedge:882323848844963860> already
it really feels good to have that extra raging blow right?
wet scarab
yeah 4pc procs RA
raw summit
also crushing blow hurts a lot
i hit 10k ones already with iffy gear
10k for your filler is pretty nice ngl
deft mirage
yep, abilities under reckless abandon hit fucking hard
wet scarab
funniest is watching rdruids panic and try to run from you when you keep charging in RA
GET OFF ME
deft mirage
hahaha the constant 10yd gap closer is hilarious
wet scarab
yeah and with the 2pc you're never out of it
it's either a RB or rampage constantly
and they proc random insane shit
raw summit
very rarely
lucid walrus
making me wish i'd seen any tier at all so far
wet scarab
the arms one is so fucking boring by comparison
raw summit
arms has the bigger critted executes and i love that
deft mirage
making me wish i'd seen any tier at all so far
we share the struggle mate
wet scarab
also requires some minimal min-maxing but it is like 90% uptime for the buff
assuming you are constantly hitting
raw summit
oh off topic but i accidentially was nf for a game today and 16k'd this nerd with an aftershock
deft mirage
im edging the 1950 milestone on arenas and always falling short, would really like the boost from a 2pc atleast to make it easier >_>
raw summit
is that normal?
raw summit
nf with niya for extra mastery
raw summit
i was niya because default soulbind
wet scarab
haha
wet scarab
lol so I was playing signet into a surv hpriest team, mid-game popped banner and bladestorm after the priest had ascended and the hunter had walled already
killed both
it's pretty disgusting damage
raw summit
if you full stack a frenzy bs hurts insanely hard
waaaay more than the arms one
also just 1 min cd
wet scarab
the arms one feels like hitting a wet noodle
raw summit
yea at the start i was bs'ing for dam as a pve fury habit
now i finally get to do that again
wet scarab
when warriors pop banner and bladestorm now I'm like yeah good they wasted 3 seconds of MS
arms that is
raw summit
oh yeah as arms thats probably the unhinged andies
trying to get a oneshot clip for twitter
or reddit
wet scarab
no they do it to try and waste your disarm or w/e
raw summit
ah
yea those i saw less
like 99% of the wars i see are kyr
monk rings em on spear or i disarm, no stress 
wet scarab
hah
yeah kyrian feels like it should feel better?
it's still nice to do a big execute every now and then that ends a game but it doesn't happen often enough
banner is like against any kiting class you spend it running after them
fury feels a lot lighter and more mobile
raw summit
well in 2s most people just get out of the spear
wet scarab
yeah it's a frustrating dance waiting for them to pop the stupid cd that lets them get out and then do it
the fun thing is with something like Greater Fade, priests either only use it if they're about to die or on CD
there's no in between
bold grove
Anyone got some insight on which stats are the go-to for Arms? Trying to compare builds on 2400+ but is all over the place.
Given double legendaries; you think Versatility-Haste or Versatility-Critical Strike is most optimized?
sharp meteor
all over the place because nobody knows, all the stats are good or potentially good
it just kind of varies by comp/matchup
sharp meteor
imo haste as it's the most flexible and consistent
raw summit
Im haste train too but cuz fury mainly
sharp meteor
Crit or haste?
so yeah it kind of varied imo
i played crit, haste, then a combo
then one as hase/mastery
raw summit
Wasnt smexx full haste kyrian
raw summit
EB then, right?
sharp meteor
the only thing that really stood out with super heavy crit kyrian, OR necro where u play kitty
no generally it was big spear
nowadays ofc because both
but yeah all stats fine although i recommend a bit of haste idk like 12-15% probably
i need to figure the exact point, can't put my finger on it
raw summit
Yea it's a feelcrafty thing
Im only really feeling haste % as fury currently
Gotta queue more arm again
sharp meteor
too many people stress about not having the max possible amount of vers, or having a tiny bit of haste when they're going crit or vice versa
it's really all good as diff stats gain value in various situations and rly isn't worth worrying too much about
crit seems rly bad for fury tho hehe
bold grove
This is the dilemma that makes my head overheat.
bold grove
Thinking that Haste might be better for Single Target purposes, while Critical Strike when you go for that Spear-Bladestorm AoE burst.
sharp meteor
i mean haste and mastery are the most damage in general
crit just has the potential to swing games
especially in spears
if ms then execute crit
u can force cd or get a kill
bold grove
That 38K Crit Execute to end games.
deft mirage
boys, sorry i'm always coming with this questions. for 2s, on fury, which covenant you feel the more consistent? Smexxin's guide mentions Venthyr as 1# covenant but I didn't felt it as strong as Kyrian/Necro. And on ladders pretty much everyone goes necro but a friend told me its for 3s for buffing allies. What do you prefer?
sharp meteor
all three seem decent
deft mirage
My friend is pushing me to play Venthyr
but idk
I feel condemn isn't as worth as the banner with the 20% str conduit
plus ms
bold grove
Death Sentence also has a 6 seconds cooldown with Patch 9.2. Condemn-Charging was half the fun with Venthyr.
wet scarab
It’s gear dependent, smexxin is a different quality of player, most will generally find condemn janky to bring into the PvP fury rotation. The idea is that it generates ridiculous amounts of rage for rampages with condemn, plus it makes up for fury feeling like its hits are weaker against plate classes since condemn goes through it
It’s probably bis if you’re a higher skill player
Great synergy with deathmaker too and the 4 pc
Actually I found it easier to play with 2pc
Necro is easier for those of us who aren’t gods though
deft mirage
Oh I didn't had in mind
that it helps you to build rampages to be Venthyr
I do know that with 4pc it goes nuts
but im nowhere near to get that, still have 0 pieces
elder wigeon
This is the dilemma that makes my head overheat.
haste is better than crit when running EM and EB I firmly believe
crit damage is 175% which is increased to 205% when inside the spear, which isn't nearly as good as PVE's 200% increased to 250% while in spear
that being said Vers (30%) = haste (20%) >= crit > mastery in my opinion
bold grove
Were thinking identically to that, yeah.
sharp meteor
Haste also has added perk of flexing nicely into Fury whereas crit fury is suffering.
Unless you're gibbing somebody with a warbringer bladestorm setup or something
which I could honestly see as necro
full quiver
Yeah I'm constantly fucking up rotation as venthyr
But I swear it's better if you're good lol
The amount of rage you get with no tier is insane
deft mirage
you play with with deathmaker or signet?
keen canyon
Hi Im new in pvp as a war. I have 2 tiers set. Should I play arm or fury and wats the leggo should I use?
elder wigeon
your choice, best single target legendaries for fury/arms is enduring blow and deathmaker
sand shadow
crit damage is 175% which is increased to 205% when inside the spear, which isn'...
Spear got nerfed to 15% in PvP a while ago
Personally, I now swear by 1.3~GCD globals haste, rest into Crit, even as EB. I initially thought stacking massive haste would be better, because the theory suggests that (more MS's, more Mortal Combo, more EB procs, more damage), but it just doesn't feel like it in PvP 🤷
This is what I feel/think is better, there's no real universally correct answer imo, since it's Arena, and it's not a dummy. In my experience, the switch from full Crit to full Haste yielded no statically significant increase in MS/EB uptime, because arena is arena, you can't utilize the Haste to its max
elder wigeon
Spear got nerfed to 15% in PvP a while ago
the damage is multiplicative
elder wigeon
15% is a 30% increase on the base damage
175% -> 205%
it's done differently
it's not an additive percentage, it's multiplicative
rend is the only additive percentage multiplier
sand shadow
I assume you have done the testing required to have this opinion, so I trust it 🙂
elder wigeon
rend is broken
sand shadow
Just thought maybe you forgot 🙂
elder wigeon
spear just isn't what it used to be
sand shadow
btw, I am pretty sure that I was able to, today, "bug" spear
w/ a RA Crushing BLow charge
But then, the next time, it didn't work
not sure if I missed something (more likely) or something special happened
sand shadow
we had no MW healer, and it was the beggining of a BG
elder wigeon
can do it with charge and intervene too, just hard
sand shadow
so not possible that I was DRd or sth
sharp meteor
It feels unreliable enough to not ever really try it.
sharp meteor
I queued into a few mages last season who'd shimmer out of it no problem and it was really annoying.
sand shadow
felt no difference as Arms
elder wigeon
you should feel a bit, it makes your enduring 5% more potent, and essentially nullifies disarm on warbreaker
earnest zodiac
I also finally got 2pc on one of my warriors
just got 4pc on my war and this shit is unfair
sharp meteor
felt no difference as Arms <:sadga:869134702970273812>
Well, it's half the disarm if you get yoinked on your wb, and the extra 5% on wb and enduring procs is just nice.
Night and day on Fury, though, yeah.
near delta
shit is insane as Fury
You just never stop pressing raging blow
sand shadow
You just never stop pressing raging blow
I wasn't paying too much attention, since it was an RBG and I was just sMORCING, but my Enrage buff was going up to 8sec at times when I looked
which is kinda
near delta
You can keep the banner buff up for a long ass time too
sand shadow
In 3s, I was able to extend it, on average, to about 24sec
sharp meteor
-happy ret noises-
sand shadow
based on only around ~10 arenas though
sand shadow
-happy ret noises-
this reminds me, I never made it a point to pay attention to whether party memebers get the extend
I assume they do
rite?
riiiiiiiiiight?
sharp meteor
of course
sand shadow
arms angel in 2s depresses the fuck outta me
sharp meteor
jungle eats my face but everything else has felt fine
near delta
They don't just applies to the warr
sharp meteor
but i am queuing double healer
sand shadow
just queue Fury d00d
you're the 2nd healer then
btw, I said this last night, but no shot you can live decent MLX in their current state as anything else but Fury
Fury is actually so so so strong vs casters like that
no damp in 3s for a longass time, which is nice, and no MS, which is perfect
extreme self heals ❤️
Can't imagine facing that as Arms, really
wispy dock
How do you guys feel about picking between the execute/frenzy/onslaught talents? The execute talent doesn't seem to be doing much of anything for me
near delta
Onslaught is basically a dead talent
sand shadow
FRENZYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
near delta
I kinda like massacre in some 2s matches
wispy dock
Onslaught seems nice but I've never used it and frenzy punishes you for swapping it seems like
near delta
Just send it and start laying in executes
wispy dock
Solid damage and some rage gen
sharp meteor
RAGING BLOW UNGA BUNJGA
sand shadow
You can swap, its fine
wispy dock
Lmao
sand shadow
your Frenzy uptime will still be good enough, at least it is for me
and when that shit is up
and you have Enrage on your dank self
things just gets blasted
let me show you, one moment
wispy dock
I feel it
sand shadow
wispy dock
I'm gonna try out frenzy and onslaught. Onslaught seems to slap, does almost as much damage as rampage :p and gives some rage
sand shadow
guys
I have bad news
oh no
Frenzy might be dogshit
GCDs unbuffed
GCDs w/ only Enrage up, no Frenzy stacks
GCDs w/ Enrage + 4xFrenzy stacks
sand shadow
0.08s GCD reduction
sharp meteor
Me hit with stick.
sand shadow
for a Talent
idk if that's good majt
that seems kinda poop
??
I guess it has value outside of Enrage, which you obviously can't keep up 100% of the time
^ Enrage down, Frenzy up
near delta
sand shadow
This is about where Onslaught lands on a dummy, ofc, so keep that in mind
fairly serious rotation wise
generated ~half of what RB did
(no clue why Banner shows, probably the necro cov leggo)
mystic barn
😴 3rd piece down
near delta
😴 3rd piece down
Nice!
mystic barn
running lfr norm and heroic raid in a week is so meh
crafting week and a half right?
catalyst
near delta
2 and a half weeks I thought
tight totem
I can’t decide when I should run Reckless abandon vs anger management in pvp
seems pretty split what are people doing? RA with 4 set just seems so strong
sand shadow
RA is too good to pass up, I tried both, admittedly a total of like 60 arenas and no more than 2100MMR, but RA felt so so so much better, esp w/ 2pc
If I double crit my Crushing Blows, it's ~25k dmg during CDs
spice hornet
Any arms boys still remaining ?
elder wigeon
yes I play arms
near delta
I really need to queue up some more arms. Been mostly playing 2s lately, and I can't stand playing it there.
spice hornet
Yeah it’s depressing to play in 2s
near delta
I did queue into Magnusz's alt and Curney. Arms is pretty good if you know what you're doing. lol
wet scarab
I or my partner have been dc'ed about a dozen fucking times by priests abusing MC today
I hesitate to call them pieces of shit since it's a piece of shit company maintaining this game
but why not, they are all pieces of shit
keen canyon
is fury pvp any good over arm war
wet scarab
try both, play what you like
full quiver
Arms feels like you out play people and still lose
Fury feels like you play like a moron and then losing doesn't feel bad
elder wigeon
that's because you've accepted you can't do anything about anything and just do damage
I HATE that feeling
i feel like i play worse when I play fury
near delta
Fury feels like you play like a moron and then losing doesn't feel bad
That's such a good way to put it haha
keen canyon
try both, play what you like
ok . can i use 2 pic pve tier set and double leggo?
sand shadow
@wet scarab just happened to my priest like 30mins ago
thought that shit was fixed
been a while seen I've seen an MC dc
winged thistle
Any arms boys still remaining ? <:sadge:820202363359854633>
yo
elder wigeon
sup mag
sharp meteor
thinkin about her (20% dstance)
wet scarab
ok . can i use 2 pic pve tier set and double leggo?
yes, you can use 4pc too
wet scarab
<@!788108400302227477> just happened to my priest like 30mins ago
dude, it happened to me today at least 6 times
they're trying to exploit it too, running you into the wall
near delta
dude, it happened to me today at least 6 times
I ran into a double priest team that just took turns mcing fishing for a disconnect.
Toxic fucks lol
wet scarab
such garbage people
wet scarab
I mean I get it if you're like a sad class or something
but the most overpowered healer and you have to resort to this shit
queued into hpriest BM hunter who did this too
dc'ed my monk
and I'm sitting there thinking just play the game you'll kill us anyway
sand shadow
shifted some haste into crit, feels even better, since Frenzy is useless otherwise
wet scarab
I imagine a little crit will feel better, amid all the zug I miss those dumb 35k executes
elder wigeon
massacre as venthyr is pretty good
for fury that is
reduced cd on condemn and 35% condemn is pretty good
sand shadow
for sure you'd play massacre prolly as Venthyr
but... and this is 2s btw... I am seriously questioning the Venthyr choice w/ 2pc
I am opposed, for now.
Need to actually try it
but anytime I am not actively tryharding to keep my RB charges 0
I just end up with 3
out of nowhere
wet scarab
I liked it better on 2pc than 4pc even though it's pretty op just because I'm bad at the condemn rotation
too many RBs and rampages anyway to need the rage
sand shadow
the thing is, I don't think you have enough globals for condemn, thats my reservation
sand shadow
sure, you'll higher prio it over RB
but then you're sitting on RB charges
and that is no bueno
wet scarab
with the 4pc I didn't have free globals almost ever
sand shadow
esp during RA when RBs do a fuckton
that is why I think Onslaught is kaput too, even as non-Venthyr
and if Frenzy turns out to be crap due to ungodly amounts of DR on haste
you'll be better off w/ Massacre
my current opinion based on blasting pepegas in 2s and 3s
What I need to do is to OBS my next Fury session locally, get a WA that shows my GCDs on screen, and see if Frenzy makes any sort of sense
because that thing almost assuredly not worth a Talent point for 0.08GCD
could still play it, but then you need to severely backtrack on haste stacking
wet scarab
it feels with all the consistent damage that far more than arms kill windows just barely evade me. occasionally in problematic games i'll crit some massive execute and it's game over, but with fury they're often left with just enough hp to get them back up with a serenity or something
near delta
could still play it, but then you need to severely backtrack on haste stacking
What's your haste without it?
sand shadow
I am just speculating and I've had about a dozen beers, so act accordingly
near delta
Really good chance it's putting you at hitting DR
sand shadow
wet scarab
shit im like 20% baseline
near delta
I'm 33% rn lol
wet scarab
how'd you manage that
I dont think im there in pve gear even lmao
wish you could pvp with full pve gear, I'm at 34% crit as arms
sand shadow
no 33% is for sure trollign in PVp
look up my previous screenshots
w/ 21%
during Enrage, I am 1.10 gcd or some shit
w/ enrage and 4xFrenzy I am down to just 1.08s
no
i got confused
basically, w/ 21% haste & Enrage, 4 stacks of Frenzy contributed a 0.08sec reduction in GCD
which is... pretty dog for an entire talent point
the only saving grace for Frenzy is the fact that you can't keep up 100% Enrage
tho in some games I am reaching up to 85%
again, this is 2s
is not indicative of 3s
near delta
Yeah lol
sand shadow
do w/ that information as you will
for example this game, vs hunt/hpriest w/ fly and fades and full tryhard to stop me murdering him in record time
Frenzy had some value
but nto that much really, since it's only 12sec itself, so when you're not hitting, you first drop Enrage, and then Frenzy follows
a previous game vs same comp/same people
this is vs another FUry that thought it's a good idea to 1v1 me instead of rape my hpriest
look at that uptime
its beautiful
my trance is disappointingly low tho
radiant oasis
is frenzy on the same row as massacre?
are you suggesting massacre is better?
speaking of talents in that row, is onslaught an int?
pale minnow
this is vs another FUry that thought it's a good idea to 1v1 me instead of rape ...
Wait... if you played trance, u didn't played disarm vs fury?
sand shadow
momma ddnt raise no pussy dude
pale minnow
?
sand shadow
yes, I played no disarm
keen canyon
yes, you can use 4pc too
ok thanks.
pale minnow
yes, I played no disarm
So why u didn't use disarm vs a melle like fury? Why was b trance a better idea?
raw summit
Into fury if they sit eachother whoever pves hardest wins
If you disarm CDs you are weaker in the trade inbetween
sand shadow
that, and because I have a lot of experience as fury in PvP
so I know I can beat him every time
raw summit
So if you dont die to reck ur good
sand shadow
this is my game vs him as Disarm
this is my healing
after he started copying my build
this is the game before
I am outdpsing him, creating burstier windows, and more than doubling his healing
if he is more experienced I might not be able to greed it, idk
radiant oasis
If you disarm CDs you are weaker in the trade inbetween
this sounds like an insane argument
hows battle trance going to make you stronger in the inbetween
raw summit
Ye more rage = more Rampage
sand shadow
battle trance healing profile is fairly decent vs another Fury
BTrance does a lot of healing, it just matters what specs you choose to play it vs
I'd never play it vs RM for example
that's just pointless
radiant oasis
i figured slaughter/btrance/disarm would be the play
but i stan enduring blow pretty low
radiant oasis
nah i disagree
sand shadow
I'd never give up Enduring Blow