pvp

[burnt heart]

I mean u just walk outta that

But no they do night fae

Summer boomy that is immune

😑

Convoke go brrrrr

[wet scarab]

they dont even need that now with the trinket

[candid veldt]

EU here, has the 5% IP buff made us S+ again?

[burnt heart]

It’s not up yet

And probably not

[near delta]

The nerf is legit just capping it at 5 targets lol

[burnt heart]

Means ur IP breaks faster so You can’t stack up conduit as much

[open glacier]

they're also cheaper

[wet scarab]

wait for real?

thought they were also nerfing it in pvp

[burnt heart]

Feral ele and destro buffs

BM also

[near delta]

Pvp notes only mention fixing chain heal and war mode

Destro is the most hilarious one

Gonna be hella tox

[burnt heart]

it’s already

That trinkets gotta go

[fickle forge]

That's okay, they gave it a 5+ target diminishing return on the damage output 😎 👍

Now you just gotta stack your whole team and spawn in 3 Kevins

[wet scarab]

and be demo lol

[undone pumice]

just play a class with pets, or two, stack as a whole, spawn 3 kevins

so much counterability just reroll

[steel cloak]

with 15 sec left i got my vault tab unlocked

and it was vs a healer comp

[wet scarab]

lol ggs

[raw summit]

Destro dam buff means funnier reflects

[burnt heart]

Reflect don’t even send the full damage half the time

It’s so tilting

U reflect bolt and it does like 8k but it woulda clapped u for 25k

[wet scarab]

my highlight this week has been that I've gotten better at killing surv rdruid teams in 2s, and the comp has made me so toxic that I have to kill the hunter's pet at least once every game out of spite, even if the rdruid was already dead. I'll stop, kill the pet, then kill the hunter

it's also a pretty good way to force an early turtle without damaging them so they can res the pet

[near delta]

Chasing them with reckles abandon feels pretty good

[wet scarab]

yeah they have no chance as fury

6 hour maintenance

they better be nerfing hpriests

[burnt heart]

That’s when u trap the fury war

Or clone them

[near delta]

Yeah if they're playing with a good rdruid no shot.

Can only reflect so many clones

[burnt heart]

Or

Steel trap

😂

Nothing quite like a 7sec root that can’t be dispelled

[undone pumice]

bloodrage

[near delta]

I played against a team whose whole game plan was taking me out of the game and sitting my healer

Was trapped, into clone, into dr clone, into rake, into vortex into root over and over again

And then anytime I can get uptime Thorns haha

Wanted to throw my keyboard

[wet scarab]

yeah sometimes if you dont do the opener just right you'll be chasing them across the map all game

and rooted constantly

I killed a druid in the first 20 seconds yesterday because bashed me into clone, I trinketed it and bolt into spear and bomb

[steel cloak]

how long the servers down for?

[wet scarab]

6 hrs looks like

[sharp meteor]

Long goddamn time.

[steel cloak]

wow

[sharp meteor]

Could be up any moment after the first hour or so but could also be like 4-5

[steel cloak]

wtf why

[sharp meteor]

Tedious

[steel cloak]

we getting new content?

[sharp meteor]

lol

lmao

[steel cloak]

lol

[wet scarab]

takes that long to untangle all the places where hpriests need to be nerfed

[steel cloak]

lol

true every disc priest i see im just like im going to clap his cheeks

[wet scarab]

they're not even bad, just playable as enemy teams

I love fighting against and with disc because the tempo is a lot more intense

[burnt heart]

Mage tower coming back

[sharp meteor]

Aus*ralians getting server upgrades

[carmine flicker]

as fury against what comps do you use deathmaker or signet?

[sand shadow]

Day 2 of Dreadnaught hunting: Blizzard fucked me in the pooper

And I can soooo get the gloves on that Russian Low pop Normal server

[wet scarab]

in the not too distant future a sociologist will puzzle over WFH productivity data and struggle to understand the spike in productivity on seemingly random Tuesdays

[undone pumice]

wfh?

[burnt heart]

Work from home

[distant warren]

what 2nd enurence conduint to take? sphere or brutal vit?

[fickle forge]

Brutal

[sand shadow]

^

assuming you mean Arms

[undone pumice]

for fury its brutal too is it not

or is armor sphere better on fury

[vapid ruin]

do you press ip a lot as fury?

[undone pumice]

significantly less than arms

and with the nerf armor sphere will prob be better

[vapid ruin]

either take the victory rush conduit or sphere

[undone pumice]

victory rush conduit

[vapid ruin]

if running impending victory

[elfin surge]

[sharp meteor]

You can xfer a guild bank with 10m in it.

[warm oxide]

so coming back to 9.2 as warrior i have never done necrolord campaign on my war however i have completed necro campaign and reached renown 80 on my monk. When i swap from kyrian to necro on warrior ti takes me to lvl 1 renown and 1/9 campaign what is this?

[raw summit]

u go buy the 40 token

and get free soulbinds

[undone pumice]

can i get the uh

how do

i get my alts in my guild if im not leader

im officer

[warm oxide]

ok i just did some questing and it unlocked the souldbinds and companions thankfully !! ty for the answer i guess u only miss out on fully unlocked souldbinds trees and enhanced conduits till you reach lvl 80

[undone pumice]

@warm oxide once ur done with zm story u wikl prob be renown 80

somewhat easily

as well as bgs and such having a chance for renown rewards

[warm oxide]

i already did the zm story on kyrian haha

[undone pumice]

aa

well u can just do bgs for the rest i think

[warm oxide]

i ll slowly get it from pvp i guess etc

yea

ty for helping

[ancient sonnet]

also 3 world bosses to blast through

[undone pumice]

tru

• callings and anima quesf

[ancient sonnet]

+20 souls from Maw is spamable but fffff that

[undone pumice]

all my homies hate no fly zones

fuck the maw and fuck oribos

[sharp meteor]

Oh, we live.

[radiant oasis]

wep is crit mastery, do i take one of the low cost conq pieces or the wep

i already have the tier

[rain field]

You're rival II? Doesn't that mean you can buy a 281 pvp ilvl weapon?

[spice hornet]

lol my alt warrior has 3x duelist box since week 1 and has yet to have a tier peice in it

this system is so bad

[full quiver]

i've only gotten like 3 vaults total on my war

and it has a tier piece

kek

hoping this weeks single vault has second piece

[undone pumice]

@radiant oasis get the tier gauntlets

[radiant oasis]

im playing fury

[radiant oasis]

already have

[wet scarab]

got tier helm from mythic vault and tier shoulders from pvp vault

happy camper

[rain field]

personally I would take a 278 weapon with off stats and just run it

But I'm also a noob

[thick reef]

seriosuly this guy is this rating as tank?

[spice hornet]

Idk is hard to tell since he can be logging out in prot

[thick reef]

yh prob

[spice hornet]

I do know warrior can hit insanely hard with shield@slam rn with tier

[sharp meteor]

My arenamate shows me as fury despite only playing arms

[thick reef]

Do you guys prefer fury or arms ?

[sharp meteor]

arms but they both fine/good

[thick reef]

ah cool

[sharp meteor]

prot has potential with tier

[fickle forge]

Arms because I like to preserve my lifts

[thick reef]

Tormented kings yeah as fury?

[full quiver]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/us/stormreaver/caffeinator

I queued into this guy playing prot/feral

He did good consistent dam and did not die quickly lol

[sage raptor]

Prot really ain't half bad. I've had good results with it.

[undone pumice]

kargish u forget leg spec

[wet scarab]

is there an argument for running resolve into RM in 2s? I imagine DB procs the trinket?

[dense dagger]

I see prot being good into physical

seems worse against casters

[undone pumice]

are ppl fr running the resolce trinket instead of medallion

[wet scarab]

I'm asking, haven't tried it yet

[undone pumice]

its so cringe

[spice hornet]

dont do it

they just kick off the buff and 9 sec kidnee

[wet scarab]

how do they know it's there if they open with db?

[undone pumice]

google ur armory as the gates open

they have time

[wet scarab]

people do that?

[undone pumice]

probably if theyre down bad

[wet scarab]

yikes >_>

[undone pumice]

and cant hit a good rating eith the best class combo

[wet scarab]

does the armory even update that quickly if you dont use the trinket regularly?

[undone pumice]

like why wouldnt u

idk

maybe

ur literally invisibke so

u got time man

[wet scarab]

well the mage is on a 30 sec timer

gotta be fast with them googles

[sage raptor]

Tbf a lot of things are bad into casters rn.

[frank knoll]

I’d be so pissed of i queued into prot

[sage raptor]

Melee at least

[frank knoll]

Usually when I see a tank spec I’m like; great this is going to be some annoying cheese

Queued into feral/brew monk. Was super irritating

[full quiver]

Prot/feral was easy cause I was venthyr fury lol

[frank knoll]

Yeah I main enhance, we killed them but the brew was being annoying with his micro cc he was trying to help the feral set up his 1 minute convokes

[undone pumice]

2 guardian druids with 4pc

[frank knoll]

Yeah that’s the new stupid thing

[undone pumice]

remove tier from pvp or nerf 85% of them

please

[wet scarab]

pls dont nerf it I'm gonna have 4pc tonight if I'm lucky

time to exact vengeance

[undone pumice]

i never said nerf warrior tier

[frank knoll]

I remember looking at the bear tier and thinking there’s no way it would go live without getting nerfed and yet …

[raw summit]

Unnerf fury and arms tier

[undone pumice]

justice for my boy philliam

having to endure my cleaving

[raw summit]

!!!

Give us old fury and 20% Arms tier cowards

[undone pumice]

give us

mop sw

cowards

afraid of a little bonk on the head are you?

[raw summit]

V1 Arms tier was so fucking op

[undone pumice]

wtf was it

[raw summit]

I want back

Same thing

But 20% strenght

Not 8%

[undone pumice]

free necro banner

lets fucking go

[full quiver]

make necro banner baseline

[wicked bison]

wait what happned

[undone pumice]

idk

[ancient sonnet]

Is it worth crafting Signet on wrist if I have cosmic glad haste/vers and boe speed ring?

[raw summit]

Whyd u want Signet

[dense dagger]

[burnt heart]

Is that the necro buff lmao

[spice hornet]

what is that lol

[dense dagger]

jailer wep necro buff

[spice hornet]

kekw

[burnt heart]

Nutty

That’s gonna get nerfed sadly

Hate to see it

[dense dagger]

for sure

[burnt heart]

But it’s a fun meme

[dense dagger]

I just got venthyr one and wrecked another warrior

[burnt heart]

Poor guy

Heroic gavel must be nice

[dense dagger]

idd

[ancient sonnet]

Fury

[undone pumice]

neck signet

[full quiver]

op weapon

[dense dagger]

armor buff is huge

xd

def getting tuning for pvp

[sharp meteor]

Already got nerfed by half, I think, but doesn't seem like it's enough. It's just that so few pvpers have it.

[undone pumice]

remoce weapoj procs from pvp wtf

did they not learn since vanilla

[full quiver]

Lol

Does the damage of the effect change with the level of the weapon

Could get normal or lfr wep and then use it and swap back to normal

[burnt heart]

Yes it does

But you can’t swap weps like that in arenas iirc

Same with the polearm from sanctum

[full quiver]

I thought you could swap now

[burnt heart]

Don’t think so, and if you do I’m pretty sure you lose the buff

But I think you can’t change Weps anymore since BFA

[sand shadow]

@full quiver you pop the 1min buff, and use the Gavel until the effect is spend

then you switch to 1H + Shield

and from that, to your normal 2Hander

(2 globals penalty)

[full quiver]

why do you have to swap to 1h shield

[sand shadow]

You can't switch from 2H A to 2H B

[full quiver]

weird

[sand shadow]

It did not work when I tried it waaaay back in S1

so my info might be outdated, Idk

have not tried it myself since, because no Gavel

[deft mirage]

Do anyone use Onslaught instead of Frenzy on arenas? is it any worth?

[undone pumice]

no no

no

[sand shadow]

No, it's not, and not necessarily because Onslaught is bad

[undone pumice]

no

frenzy and massacre just better

[sand shadow]

but because as Fury in PvP you're GCD capped like crazy

[deft mirage]

yeah noticed that already

like if its not rampage its execute, or the raging blows

you kinda have something all the time

[undone pumice]

i like massacre vs ppl i can drop to 35% but not to 20% for example dudus

[deft mirage]

thanks for the insight boys

[radiant oasis]

is killing healing stream totem worth?

[sharp meteor]

I thought that it was mostly to buff other healing abilities.

tide is the big one to kill but it's usually hidden behind a pillar in africa so if you leap over you'll get rooted there and your partners die

[raw summit]

is MC also dc'ing you guys?

[radiant oasis]

i figure healing stream has a 30s cooldown now

[raw summit]

mc into a wall seems to consistently kick me out

[radiant oasis]

might be useful to kill

[sharp meteor]

one of my priests said he had 3 mcs kick people off in a row today

[raw summit]

has to do with walls appartently

[undone pumice]

mc?

[sharp meteor]

yeah jump somebody into a wall and they're donezo

[undone pumice]

idk wow slang

[sharp meteor]

mind control

priest thing

[undone pumice]

aaa

[sharp meteor]

dominate mind or w/e it's called now

[undone pumice]

the ability they use and just die for

[sharp meteor]

?

[undone pumice]

low mmr

priests randomly mind control and die for it

philliam can confirm

[spice hornet]

love getting solo killed by boon

that shit legit does too much dmg

[rain field]

It's already been nerfed 50%, pre-nerf ss

[burnt heart]

Dirty

[spice hornet]

ive never wanted to punch my monitor out so bad in my life as an arms warrior

[raw summit]

spend irl rage on slam

[sharp meteor]

hunter bracket buddy what are u doin

ur already elite for the conduits just chill and play an alt

[raw summit]

one doesnt play 2s for fun

unless you are hunter

[sharp meteor]

i don't even find them fun on hunter

maybe they fun on surv idk

[burnt heart]

Pain

Hunter rdruid

[raw summit]

winning is fun was my thought

[sharp meteor]

idk sometimes

[raw summit]

hunter mirror must be annoying

[sharp meteor]

those usually feel fine because bm hunters are bad and surv hunters are auto-lose

[elder wigeon]

I've heard the speed ring doesn't work

[undone pumice]

is the like

arena custom thing on tourney rralm

someone go test it i aint doin it

[wheat jay]

Surv mirrors are very fun

Bm games are not fun

[sharp meteor]

It did yesterday, not sure about now.

Movement speed works, the mount movement speed bonus does not.

[raw summit]

i tried barbarian into x2 ret in 2s

was funny cuz they cant reach mw or me

tolviron helped tbf

[undone pumice]

tolviron

im

this close to crafting leaper and becoming an rbg scum

[raw summit]

i have it on my ally

i recommend it

[sharp meteor]

mlx on tolviron love it love it love it

[undone pumice]

mlx on mogabomgabola

even better

[burnt heart]

Monks on uh

What’s the legion arena

With the two rooms

Fuck that

[undone pumice]

black rook hold

[burnt heart]

They transcend inside and ring out

Yeah

[undone pumice]

[burnt heart]

Unfun

[undone pumice]

like

[burnt heart]

Also monks on mogooboogala

No fun

[undone pumice]

what is the best arena that isnt cringe

???

[burnt heart]

Nagrand arena

[undone pumice]

lordaeron?

nagrand also has FAT pillars

[burnt heart]

Lordaeron and and the kyrian land one that blinds boomers

[undone pumice]

it blinds me

[burnt heart]

Need inky pots there I swear

[undone pumice]

literally

why cant we

[elder wigeon]

false alarm my friend is dumb

[burnt heart]

Inky pot should’ve been a toy

[sharp meteor]

bless

[undone pumice]

it shouldve been a settinf

like minecraft super secret for example something hidden

[raw summit]

that tiny pillar on ruins

tilts me so insanely mad

[undone pumice]

i prefer to charge up

[raw summit]

i really like hookpoint

[undone pumice]

hook point with the random cancer wood on the side

i do not enjoy

[raw summit]

pillars are fine since if i face warriors they charge on me

i go behind

wari dies in sweep

[undone pumice]

like

are pillars even that necesarry man

just wanna unka on the thunka

[raw summit]

yes

[sharp meteor]

do u know what u would not enjoy

a map without pillars

[raw summit]

imagine not being able to los caster

[sharp meteor]

when mage/lock is probs gonna be one of the most popular comps

where u legit wanna afk behind pillars for 10 mins

then just whomp one of them in damp

[undone pumice]

i dont enjoy pillars already

[raw summit]

it addsa depth to pvp and thats cool

[undone pumice]

i dont enjoy a rogue auto attacking m to slow and dashing around a pillar so i cannot ever trad eback between rm goes

[raw summit]

you are the random bg saltwater necro typa guy

[undone pumice]

yes

exactly

i wish simply to unka on the thunka

[wheat jay]

People should just stay in the middle and pve each other

[undone pumice]

yes

exactly

the way god intended

[nimble jasper]

then autolose

to mlx

[raw summit]

statcheck already boring

[undone pumice]

nah but

why is rogue so fast

is not fair man

[nimble jasper]

how class is designed

[burnt heart]

Get a speed ring

[nimble jasper]

agi specs are supposed to be fast

[burnt heart]

And move speed cloak

And move speed gem

[undone pumice]

i have all this

[nimble jasper]

you get flat 15% bonus movespeed as rogue

[burnt heart]

Just

Hamstring them harder

😂

[undone pumice]

just howl louder

[burnt heart]

Delete shadowy duel tho

[nimble jasper]

assa you just

[burnt heart]

Fuck that spelll

[undone pumice]

cope seethe, screech, mald, scream, shout

[nimble jasper]

poison knife the guy on his cds

step healer

laugh

[undone pumice]

give us more useful shouts and more banners

i want arms to be the battle hardened tactician its supposed to be

we scream very specificly

so theyre scared or our spit gets in their eyes

or their legs break

[compact pelican]

guys i have gotten 0 tier pieces thus far

is it cause my loot specialization is set as arms when i'm fury?

or does it not matter

[undone pumice]

it dont matter

rng = rng

similar to how u can farm for years on mounts or transmog and never receive it even at decent droprates

[sharp meteor]

doesn't matter

you'll be able to target it eventually

but until then it's annoying not having it

and queuing into people with 2 or even 4pc

[undone pumice]

basically a third of the season

we will not have easy tier access

[raw summit]

i only need 2 drops

[undone pumice]

i need 1 more for 2pc

[dense dagger]

I need shoulders or chest for 4 pc

9 vault options

for sure

[tight totem]

Never set your specialization as fury because both 1 handers and 2handers are on its table.

[near delta]

Creation catalyst when?

[undone pumice]

3 weeks

[near delta]

2 weeks is wayyyy too long

[undone pumice]

three

trois

[near delta]

Wait is it bot April 12?

[undone pumice]

drei

[near delta]

Jesus christ

[undone pumice]

trés

[near delta]

Guy, I'm beginning to doubt Blizz's system design

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[undone pumice]

beginning?

ur late wtf

[wheat jay]

Fam, last 2 expansions were DOGSHIT in terms of systems

Legion wasn't amazing either but at least it felt new and was fun to have artifact weapons

[undone pumice]

imagine if the game was

literally just

get to max level

do the story

get honor

get honor gear

upgrade eith honor

get conquest gear and upgrade eith conwuest

then go kill lowbies in elwynn forest

cant imagine a better system

[wheat jay]

No gear, just queue to pvp, play pvp

Let pve have gear race

[undone pumice]

there should be gear

but minimal

[wet scarab]

you know, I realise this is a popular opinion, but I bet you we'd actually have an even bigger crash of pvpers if there was no gear and gear upgrades

this game is a fucking ilvl simulator at this point

[undone pumice]

it should have gear

[wet scarab]

nobody does shit just because it's fun

[undone pumice]

but it shouldnt be 10khp diff

[wet scarab]

why does simpler = no progression

you progress in pve and raiding primarily through gear

[undone pumice]

ok

thats.pve

[wet scarab]

I await the deeper insight here

_>

[undone pumice]

pve boring

pve is just significantly sleeper

[wet scarab]

defeating Mud IS harder than the jailer but still

that's very simplistic

fact is people min max the shit out of everything in this game, if there was no substantial reward, they wouldn't bother playing it even if they enjoy it

[undone pumice]

people will optimize fun out of every game

minecraft pvp is being optimized to click as fast as humanly possible

[wet scarab]

I mean I absolutely love pvp or else I'd be a psychopath spending this much time on a pvp warrior discord and it's basically all I did season 2, but if there was no reward that increases player power there's no chance I'd be spending my time doing it instead of mythics

I enjoy pve less but it becomes more rewarding

hurr durr hoomin brain

but it works

[scarlet barn]

Quality content right here

[undone pumice]

pvp should not have tiereets and weapon procs, an item or proc u dont even talent into but os just because of rmg shouldnt do half ur dmg

[wet scarab]

THAT I agree with

all the modifiers and systems upon systems should die

[undone pumice]

j think bgs can have glad geared people runninf around vs freshly capped ppk thats absolutely fine

but i dont think gear should be a SUBSTANTIAL factor in arena

u shouldnt have 4pc people vs 0pc people

and just lose cuz of literal rng

[wheat jay]

Need one more piece to make warriors' lives miserable

Boutta spam bombs on you guys, sorry

[wet scarab]

wonder if i should go fury if I get the 4th tier piece tonight

[cosmic pumice]

if u complain about gear in pvp u have no bitches

facts

[undone pumice]

so true king

[dusty saddle]

um

[undone pumice]

go to ur covenant place

and u can pick up a quest

and turn it in to zosorg i think

[dusty saddle]

thanks bro

[gusty zinc]

can you upgrade set pieces if you get them from the vault in the lfr slot?

[spice hornet]

No

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

You can upgrade the pvp pieces, though.

[gusty zinc]

aaah alright, thanks

[iron basalt]

warriors feel so fucking bad right now

[sharp meteor]

hit stuff harder

and stop playing 2s

[steel lantern]

can someone explain to me why you want painbringer on head? dont you want a set piece there since the helm has vers?

[lucid walrus]

wouldn't want it on helm anymore really

[sharp meteor]

Tier helm is vers/haste, so I imagine you'd want it elsewhere.

[steel lantern]

ideally you want waist no?

[sharp meteor]

But in the short-term it's fine on helm.

[lucid walrus]

once you can craft unity on a non-belt slot you can think about doing it elsewhere. if tier's far off then it's fine there for now

[sharp meteor]

Ideal, even.

[sand shadow]

Never thought anything would top BFA MLX... an immortal tank spam rooting me w/ Conflag, promisin me a quick death should his Chaos bolts not be addressed, and an ape spam casting Greater Pyros to the same effect

Yet I'd take that hell over the one right now, I think

Echoing Resolve is the stupidest thing I've seen

so much so that I'd take destro 2tapping and gpy spam over this crap

[mystic barn]

nice charge

[sand shadow]

yep

I can finally connect, finally

charge into echoing resolve proc

[mystic barn]

lol

[sand shadow]

imma smash something

I played vs that like 5 hours ago and I'm still triggered 😄

gl playing Arms into that btw

cant even imagine

[mystic barn]

if you begin smashing stuff over wow you just become another bruin

[sand shadow]

its a form of expression

obviously not smashing my stuff over some clothies

[mystic barn]

not yet

[sand shadow]

and frost mages, god that thing is dumb as a bag of rocks

literally just sit and spam cast 1 spell

it's like we're back in Vanilla

[mystic barn]

atleast you actually lock them out of their spells if you kick frostbolt unlike fire mage

that is if resolve isnt going

[sand shadow]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and that, right there, is the problem

frankly... idk, fuck it

give them evern more tankiness

and instants

rather that than this stupid trinket

[mystic barn]

see

i like marileth fleshcraft having a skill ceiling on the skill being able to mitigate cc

but resolve is brainless

[upbeat sapphire]

Casting Frostbolt means none of your procs are procing and you’re sad and frustrated. And then someone kicks you. Better off casting Poly

[sand shadow]

shit has not even a 5sec ICD

its insanity

[lucid walrus]

i wish for all frost mage players to be sad and frustrated

[sand shadow]

I don't have beef with players

its not the players creating this crap

[lucid walrus]

people just play what's optimal and what's optimal rn is extremely annoying yeah

[mystic barn]

its the players deciding to be degens tho

lol

[sand shadow]

its the 1.8k max exp devmonkeys

[mystic barn]

every once in awhile i wanna take resolve trinket on dk so im just never sitting a cc ever

unpeelable

[sand shadow]

nah, can't fault players for just playing a spec

[mystic barn]

yea you def can

[sand shadow]

and people will always take the path of least resistance

[mystic barn]

if you were playing guardian druid in pvp

in arenas

you know what you are doing

[sand shadow]

I am guessing it's stupid fun for those people

almost like using a cheat code

doesn't make you a terrible person

and again, it's not your responsibility

I am willing to bet plenty of mages would love for anything but fucking fire to be viable in arena

frankly, I would too

[mystic barn]

nah those players are wack

[sand shadow]

its just that frost is not even a real spec in pvp

I mean, despite being clueless at times, I don't believe anyone intended for frost to be played this way

where over 60% of your damage is one spell

[mystic barn]

its like

the only turret spec in the game

its niche is fine

only thing i know is that theyre mad they cant shatter

but im pretty sure they can if they play with frost dk

[sand shadow]

idk, whenever I see stuff like that, i look at it as a giant failure in design

reminds me of fire mages in Mplus in BFA

their damage was literally 90% ignite

whaat do you mean they cant shatter?

[mystic barn]

how do you shatter when you cant really freeze people

as fmage

i think the loophole is with frostdk frostwyrm fury

[sand shadow]

I guess I'm missing someething, because 5hrs ago I was spending quite some time in novas

not to mention that they have those fingers of frost stacks still right?

didn't those treat targets as if frozen?

[mystic barn]

good question

i just remember frost mages malding they can't shatter

when i see fmage i press w, when i see deathborne that can't get kicked i do 180 degree turn and press w towards a wall

[sand shadow]

Time might prove me wrong, but I really don't believe we'll be trading for Deathborne whether echoing resolve or nah

In its current state, it's insanity imo

[mystic barn]

for you not for me

amz is chill

tsg the whole season i guess

[sand shadow]

we'll see about that

AMZ is how long, 8sec? GL

[mystic barn]

AMZ is however long it wants to be before it dies bc blizzard thought it was smart giving it an hp cap

[sand shadow]

no, it's 8sec

whether it can absorb 1quadrillion dmg or not, it will still be a sixth of the duration of that blasted skeletal

and that skellieboy has got friends

whatever, we'll see I guess, just the way I see it right now, I don't think I'd find trading worth it, though TSG can prbobaly make them suffer, I agree

mb a tsg rsham would be one way to go if MLX is dominant

[mystic barn]

ya sure the base duration is 8 seconds lol but it will literally die way before that mark

hell i can make it 11.6 seconds if i really wanted too

[near delta]

Hey is there a good weakaura for priest res BS?

[lucid walrus]

i got one that just says "priest not dead", searching that could prolly pull it up on wago

[near delta]

That did it. Thanks!

Here if anyone else needs one. Haven't had a chance to test it yet though. https://wago.io/p8bt2f1uj

[mystic barn]

thanks

[near delta]

Fuck this

Havent even played yet and I'm mad

The bear was terrible

[lucid walrus]

champ

[near delta]

He even had the 4pc

But he legit had no idea how arenas worked

Still 2K mmr

[mystic barn]

atleast it got nerfed by 50% dmg in pvp

2nd nerf came for it today

[near delta]

Oh damn really. Noice

Yeah it only did 30k damage in a minute long game

[mystic barn]

30k dmg doesnt seem that bad in 1min

[near delta]

Yeah not at all

I was trying to figure out why I wasnt dead when he used convoke with the can't be ccd trinket

[mystic barn]

i need to find the id's for the resolve trinkets for flyplatebuffs

not like it even matters since i don't have any spammable cc

[near delta]

I was thinking just charge, fear, and bolt, interrupt

And also you'll need trinket

Fair trade

Okay so just played my first game against an assa with 4 pc

80k damage on my healer in umm

2 or 3 globals

Healer quit for the season

[mystic barn]

gnaw asphyx mind freeze for me :^)

what do i have left to use for cc tho :^)

yea rogue 4pc is wild

bliz needs to do a few more lookovers of arena

[near delta]

I mean the healer traded nothing for vendetta, sepsis, PI, and every CD in the book

But he literally died in 3 seconds

[near delta]

Ohhh yeah sub optimal lol

Need to just take silence into it and use it on it

Boom

Actually does chain of ice count?

[mystic barn]

p sure silence doesnt work

chains dont work

tbh 3 seconds feels like a long time to die, dunno if im mentally fucked from season 2 or what but yea

[near delta]

If charges 1 second root counts, but chain of ice doesn't that pretty garbo lol

[lucid walrus]

charge only does it bc it’s a root

very dumb

[mystic barn]

ya chains a slow

[near delta]

Well it was like 2 globals of abilities lol

[mystic barn]

unless i do a dumb talent as frost

[near delta]

But he used the first global to setup

So by the time his healthbar started dropping he was dead

[lucid walrus]

he had to press 3 buttons on gcd considering he’s an energy class

plus whatever else makes those spastics shit out that much damage

[near delta]

Ofc with NF hpriest and duskwalker vendetta will be back up in like 30 seconds

[near delta]

Ah I guess just take blind

And does grip not count either? lol

[mystic barn]

I can’t remember, haven’t tried gripping someone with it on

I’d rather waste a 2sec stun than a grip tbh

[near delta]

Okay

So

Guardian druid still really strong with 4pc

Literally unbeatable if they have a brain

[raw summit]

Ye they only changed the uncapped aoe

[mystic barn]

no

They did that

And nerfed it by 50%

[raw summit]

I didnt even look for pvp changes tbh

Didnt expect anything

[mystic barn]

It’s because it was fresh today

Like 2 hrs ago

[raw summit]

Anything else?

[mystic barn]

that’s the only thing I skimmed

[raw summit]

I only saw that from skimming right now

2nd pvp thing is a quest bug

[near delta]

Felt pretty opressive

Probably just need to cc the incarn and run

[warped warren]

cant cc incarn with the sleeper leggo

🤣

[near delta]

TF

Good game

Waitttt

Hold up

[lucid walrus]

that leggo is the entire reason bear is so good at rbg fc’ing

[near delta]

So they cant be ccd the entire time incarn is up

[lucid walrus]

correct

[near delta]

I never play rbgs so I had no idea lol

[lucid walrus]

i don’t either lmao. just a bit of info, spec uses it so often

been doing em for easy vaults and that’s it

[near delta]

Dude was playing venthyr and using ravenous frenzy

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/us/stormrage/thebighomiee

Not as cheesy as nf convoke with trinket at least

Oh

They're convoking with sleeper so they can't be ccd right?

[lucid walrus]

honestly? not sure

that might just be a bear thing

first paragraph makes this seem like a war crime but read the last part

[near delta]

Oh that explains why I did absurd damage to him and he just kinda went 50%

After incarn was down

He and his assa rogue went into stealth

And sat like 2 minutes until incarn was back up

[tawdry stag]

hey guys, when can we craft our tier set pieces?

[scarlet barn]

should be in 2 weeks

[warped warren]

you dont get kick immune

only cc

slow/root/stuns/sleeps or w.e

ppl play convoke guard for the mastery from niya probably

[raw summit]

He's not even kultiran fucking hell

Not true to the name smh

[near delta]

Ah okay yeah so the one I played against first was probably running fastidious resolve.

Or the niya thing aight

[runic galleon]

for 2s, do you guys recommend necro or kyrian as fury

[radiant oasis]

ive tried both and prefer kyrian

in 2s, some comps demand you be able to root them for 8s

necro is easily more burst though, like way more. feels like 30% more

but when you run into BM hunter druid or some shit, good lord do you wish you had spear

[tawny elm]

is fury worth it before getting tier pieces for 2s?

[radiant oasis]

absolutely not

you'll have more success as arms

[tawny elm]

but after 4p it's the go-to? 🙂

[radiant oasis]

2p is all you need

[tawny elm]

ah

and i guess it's hard to say but how much better is it? 😦

fury that is

[radiant oasis]

4p? noticably better

i feel like 2p is 70% of the tier power, then 4p is 30%

[tawny elm]

okok thanks!

[raw summit]

Well imo 2p is half a big as 4p

4p is insane for fury

[fading estuary]

Do people just use unity on Belt for PvP same as PvE fury?

[warped warren]

🤔

[fading estuary]

Oh right on bracers so its good for both arms/fury

[frank knoll]

Bear got nerfed

Ohh never mind they just soft capped the AoE no effect for PvP

[warped warren]

they nerfed it by 50%

in pvp

[fickle forge]

Why can Blizz act on a cheesy tank gimmick, but not 90k demonbolts?

[open glacier]

SR leggo is back against demo? 😄

[warped warren]

dw, fel imp fire bolt is gonna take care of that

[pale minnow]

Imagine saying sr is good vs demo

[wheat jay]

You just get hit by 10 casts a second

[warped warren]

they should make is so you cant spellreflect pet attacks

or that uyou can reflect infinite pet spells

and 1 player spell

[quick nimbus]

what is my best option for 2s as a teammate? holypala?

[radiant oasis]

priest or druid

[quick nimbus]

but holy priest right? play with a disc atm.

[dense dagger]

I run with holy priest

[radiant oasis]

disc is bad in 2s

[dense dagger]

disc seems kinda meme now

[radiant oasis]

if your holy plays kyrian, he can literally do 120k burst windows every 2 minutes

res leggo every game

[quick nimbus]

yeah. need to find me a mate to push rating. i have problems with my disc on low ratings. cannot push over 1600

[raw summit]

The main issue about disc is that it isnt holy

[radiant oasis]

disc was meant to be the "healing through damage" spec

now its the total opposite

[thick reef]

now holy legit is kekw

[frank knoll]

Just line the bolt bro

Why don’t they make Holy award purgeable that would be cool

[undone pumice]

just reflect it for 8k

[frank knoll]

Lol

[fickle forge]

Holy Ward?

That is purgeable

[frank knoll]

Locks say that the demon bolts require a ramp up so just stop the ramp up and get gud.

[frank knoll]

Bro you sure cause I try on my shaman and it doesn’t go away

[fickle forge]

100%

[thick reef]

yes

lol

ur just unlucky or getting other buffs

[undone pumice]

i mean

what burst doesnt need a ramp up

[frank knoll]

I’m pressing purge and the buff still shows

[undone pumice]

(outsdie of bust)

[lucid walrus]

yea it is

[thick reef]

idk then

[lucid walrus]

purge rng just sucks

[thick reef]

ur getting other buffs

yea

like renew

[lucid walrus]

my shaman regularly gets thorns as like his last purge

[thick reef]

or fort idk

[fickle forge]

In fairness, demo lock burst does require extensive ramp up in order to reach the 70k bolts or w/e

[frank knoll]

I’m gonna hit up my priest friend and test this

[thick reef]

yea purge rng

[undone pumice]

yeah but the cc immune trinket is

annoying af

[thick reef]

yea but cc immune

just play that and free ramp

[frank knoll]

Yeah but for something like Holy ward, if we have dam coming up I’ll just spam purge

[fickle forge]

Don't have to

[thick reef]

yea its legit purgeable

ur rng just isnt getting the ward

[fickle forge]

Ya'll don't peel off resolve?

Or is this a 2s rant?

[undone pumice]

u cant peel it off in 2s

as warr

[frank knoll]

Wow bad RNG
Thanks Obama

[undone pumice]

at least

[elder wigeon]

there's so many combos you have as a warrior against echoing resolve

[fickle forge]

Ah yeah, but 2s is 2s

[undone pumice]

that is true

[wheat jay]

That's what healers are for tho

[undone pumice]

i dont play 2s anymore

:kekw:

[elder wigeon]

charge -> pum -> stormbolt = profit

[wheat jay]

Can't you just stormbolt and then charge?

XD

[undone pumice]

yeah but then ur bolt is void

[elder wigeon]

charge has longer range than bolt

[thick reef]

sb + charge + warbreaker + avatar + warbanner/spear = EZ

[wheat jay]

Get a bit closer then

[undone pumice]

id rather have my pummel void than my bolt

[fickle forge]

If you have a teammate that can help you with uptime, then you can just use Charge as peel

[wheat jay]

Isn't the difference 10 yards?

[elder wigeon]

20y vs 25

[thick reef]

like a ret?

[fickle forge]

Or a DK

[thick reef]

with double freedom or something

true

[fickle forge]

Etc.

If you play with a caster, then they can just peel the resolve for you

[wheat jay]

Ye just walk then

Almost 0 difference lol

[elder wigeon]

WALK

[wheat jay]

Yes

5 yards

Is almost nothing

[elder wigeon]

hunter main tryna school warrior mains

[lucid walrus]

can't get juked if i'm blowing my kick on air to rip off resolve

[wheat jay]

Yes.

[elder wigeon]

not gonna happen

not me man

I'll gladly pummel a resolve off so I can get my charge off, get the root so they can't walk away and keep me slowed and I can immediately stormbolt

I really want to play with a feral or destro lock, both are insane at ripping resolve off

[fickle forge]

Then your bolt is eaten by resolve though?

[elder wigeon]

charge = proc, pum it off, stormbolt lands

if it's procced, then charge it off, then bolt

[undone pumice]

are u faster than ur bolt??

[elder wigeon]

don't bolt instantly

[fickle forge]

I'd prob go for pum into charge off resolve and then bolt

[raw summit]

haste vers ring or mast vers neck

[elder wigeon]

charge has a minimum range bro

[undone pumice]

tokens

@raw summit

[fickle forge]

Yah just walk off 5 yd

[elder wigeon]

you have to walk 8 yards away then charge back, which is insane to me

what's the point

[undone pumice]

when u have to lose uptime to gain uptime

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[elder wigeon]

play with a shaman

shear every 12 sec

[undone pumice]

shaman stinky

[thick reef]

no its good w war

[undone pumice]

he smells of worm poop

[thick reef]

isnt it

[elder wigeon]

turbo is a top warrior comp

[thick reef]

^^

[elder wigeon]

one if not the best currently

[undone pumice]

i know but

he smells

[thick reef]

whats 2nd it?

[fickle forge]

Just wait for the enh nerfs

[thick reef]

behind it

yeah that wolf build is so good

[elder wigeon]

enh aint getting nerfed bro

[thick reef]

enhanz doesnt deserve a nerf

esp since how meh it was last ssn

[fickle forge]

Enh sham is enh sham, and whenever Blizzard detects that enh sham is good, they'll super smite it

[elder wigeon]

in 1 month we'll be in a destro meta like no other

[thick reef]

yes destro wil be meta

kekw

[undone pumice]

😎👍

[fickle forge]

Lowkey think unholy TSG is gonna be insane

[elder wigeon]

destro is the god class, time to kissy kissy your lock friends and secure that bag come time for 4 set

[thick reef]

fr

[thick reef]

ret/warr still with arms? or no

[elder wigeon]

can be played with both

[thick reef]

u think thats gonna be good still?

ah ok

[fickle forge]

ret+warr with either of the specs

[thick reef]

thatrs cool, someone said to me it was arms only but i can see how both specs work out wi t

[elder wigeon]

I personally think arms is better with a ret but that's just me

other way around, i mean

ret does better with arms that is, but that's my experience playing against and as ret war

[lucid walrus]

wmx'd be nice i'm sure if not for constant attempts to stop sheep if the other team has a brain

then again we're probably kill target there anyway

[fickle forge]

WMP was played quite a lot at AWC

[thick reef]

yea havent tried fury yet, i just prefer amrs cuz of the burst its more fun and the cleave is still good,. only prob is d stance ofc but ifthey dont go u its nice

[lucid walrus]

was that EU? i didn't catch much of it

[elder wigeon]

warrior mage was only played on EU

[fickle forge]

Think NA had a WMX team too?

[elder wigeon]

nah

[fickle forge]

Don't recall

[elder wigeon]

only WW mage

[lucid walrus]

if there was it got eliminated early

[fickle forge]

But Merce and Blizo played it

[elder wigeon]

there's only one team that plays WMx really well and that's mag and cerallium

[lucid walrus]

only warrior matches were ones where liquid had back to back chokes & came back from it

[fickle forge]

SK Pieces and LF Org took WMP far

[lucid walrus]

does ceralium main hpal btw? if not he's nuts at it for an alt

[elder wigeon]

no he doesn't

brain plays hpal

[lucid walrus]

brain is also insane

[elder wigeon]

best hpally NA that's for sure

[lucid walrus]

no kidding

mies joke goes here

[elder wigeon]

all of kawhi is top tier

[fickle forge]

Borngood turned in his sleep there

[lucid walrus]

man i forgot abt borngood

[elder wigeon]

I've only watched the tourneys in two eras, mop and shadowlands

Chan, sodah and talbadar were the best then, and kawhi is the best now

strictly speaking NA, Whaazz's team is unreal in terms of talent

[lucid walrus]

whaazz has gotta be one of the best players to touch the game, period

[elder wigeon]

absolutely in this era

hard to compare eras, too subjective

[lucid walrus]

granted it's also difficult to compare "best of all time" bc you can't really get into specifics

exactly

[plain lynx]

Fury better than arms? 😮

[elder wigeon]

arms >= fury in every context

[vapid ruin]

fury

arms

[plain lynx]

What about painbringer on helm, if you arent even close to get revered for unity

[vapid ruin]

the problem is helm tier has the best stats

maybe try crafting a lower lvl legendary for helm and then swap it

[plain lynx]

Could do, maybe 262 then

[vapid ruin]

ye should not cost much

[plain lynx]

Do you get tier set when you buy from vendor?

haven't played much this exp

[vapid ruin]

you get tier set from raid drops,great vault drops and the catalyst,which is a thing they will add soon where you can convert pieces that dont have tier into tier pieces

[plain lynx]

Ah so i far away from getting tier :p

[balmy compass]

How effective is disarm vs DH? I guess they have a few abilities they can still use. Does it stop much of their damage?

[steep inlet]

yes

except aura immo and beam

[fickle forge]

Main dmg is Fortnite Dance anyway

And you'd wanna Disarm the meta so don't worry about Eye Beam

[sand shadow]

ok boys

time for vault

ok not so quick

my partner capped 5 chars, 3 w/ some PvE thrown in, 1 w/ just 3 chests, and 1 with 2 chests

got 0 set 😄

1st warrior no set again, we're 0/5 on it, 10/10 design

[undone pumice]

legs > fury > arms

[deft mirage]

feel you bro

also 0/5 on my main

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[undone pumice]

1/5 on main

[sand shadow]

I did 2 Raid boxes on it too

[raw summit]

im stuck with 2p

[sand shadow]

5 options to get tier 🙂

[undone pumice]

i did

[sand shadow]

no tier

[undone pumice]

lfr for boxes

[raw summit]

i did a +16 and got pve versa ring

okay ig

[undone pumice]

[sand shadow]

I am dreaming of that

2nd warr has 1 tier, give me 2nd pls

[undone pumice]

jerk off to boxes

[sand shadow]

YE BOY

2 tiers on 2nd

WE WON

[raw summit]

SHOW

huge

[sand shadow]

look how desperate I am man