They both feel nice. I like Turb more because of how it can kind of deal with wizards.
#pvp
sharp meteor
sand shadow
it's still pretty good in 3s
undone pumice
it just kinda weird
sharp meteor
Just play with whoever you've got online.
undone pumice
how the class can feel so great and so shitty
subtle tendon
@sharp meteor allright will try turbo than
sand shadow
but the S1/S2 glory days are over I think
raw summit
merce is dwarf fury 
raw summit
but the S1/S2 glory days are over I think
more than fair tbh
undone pumice
dwarf is bis
sharp meteor
Is that into jungle
raw summit
we were too good
sharp meteor
to rip off frenzy/flayed
sand shadow
maro?
raw summit
mercee
sharp meteor
Maro is magus man
sand shadow
I'd be really careful drawing too many conclusions from AWC
it can be indicative, but that's a whole different game
its vastly different from ladder play
sharp meteor
It's 6 r1s with bis gear when they know what they're queuing into
sand shadow
you can't countercomp etc
sharp meteor
and people try to copy it for their 1700 cr lfg matches
sand shadow
yeah, precisely
sharp meteor
just a completely different game
sand shadow
you have just 1 blind game, and it's not very blind overall
sharp meteor
ladder got so dead last season that we knew the 2-3 teams we were queuing into
sand shadow
you still kinda know most of the time what they have prepared
sharp meteor
because there's this real neato 1200 point fucking void between welfare glad and r1
where nobody plays because it's pointless
raw summit
hes ww'ing the hamstring
sand shadow
are you NA?
sharp meteor
i am NA
sand shadow
EU didn't feel dead LS
EU felt the most competitive i've seen an end of season being tbf
sharp meteor
last few days were neat but up until then
it was just like bored 3500 team on their 3k alts
of the same spec
sand shadow
nah, i'm really not
sharp meteor
yeah i just did 2s for elite sets forever
tried to do 3s and everybody was always so angsty
lucid walrus
recently converted welfare tabard enthusiast
raw summit
2s must be really cool if you are a surv or hpriest
sharp meteor
ye found a buddy who also wanted elite sets then we transitioned over into 3s and collect the stupid dragon now too
lucid walrus
workin on playing better for 3s. my pre-hpriest meta friends just wanna play rmp and i don't blame em
raw summit
I personally play 2s are a training wheel mode for 3s 
sharp meteor
2s feels kind of like statcheck bracket
undone pumice
2s is the training wheel mode imo
raw summit
Also gear
undone pumice
less macros
raw summit
Ye ive been facing 80k HP people
undone pumice
easier to get rating
sand shadow
If you're new to WoW PvP you absolutely should start off w/ 2s imo
undone pumice
i saw a 85k hp lock today
sharp meteor
Yeah, 2s much more relaxed to learn some basics in.
lucid walrus
should just drop 10 stam
sharp meteor
3s very hectic initially, especially now
sand shadow
It's far less stressful, you can learn a lot
raw summit
That's what im doin rn
sand shadow
It's never too early to dabble into 3s, but from what I've seen, people get freaked out
raw summit
Gotta get the feel for being offensive/defensive
sand shadow
and sometimes even give up completely
lucid walrus
many such cases!
raw summit
Well @undone pumice and i x2 wari 3s doesnt feel so good
So i can understand why people dont 3s if new
Just too much going on
lucid walrus
class stacking just kinda goofy unless it's actually miles ahead of anything else
sand shadow
pretty sure you could 2FMage or 2WLock rn now and farm the ladder
raw summit
Ill probably go dk once they add boxes
lucid walrus
pretty sure you could 2FMage or 2WLock rn now and farm the ladder
i don't doubt it
sand shadow
I'd bet even 2 Assa w/ tier would literally destroy the ladder
raw summit
So lassan and i can go tsg
lucid walrus
the presence of casters just changes so much in terms of positioning
sharp meteor
Double frost mage is actually hilarious into melee cleaves
sand shadow
Assa is the most egregious offender atm by a mile, followed by Demo
sand shadow
You guys want to see something funny?
I mean depressing
it's from last night's AWC
look at this game
raw summit
Ill take a look after dinner
candid veldt
assa and warlock fotm is sadge
sand shadow
I want you to only pay attention to Pikaboo's Vendetta CD under his namebar thingie
And only move your eyes from there when he pops it
sharp meteor
Did nf knock it down bigly
sand shadow
to witness what it does
sharp meteor
along with cdr leggo
sand shadow
I want you to also consider that Pikaboo, for whatever reason, chose to press Vendetta only twice that game
My expectation is that he could've pressed at least 4
sharp meteor
oh epic 60s vendettas kms
sharp meteor
least ill be able to help my boomer lock friend get his glad nice n easy on my rogue
sand shadow
watch the games after too, look what happens when Pika pops Vendetta
only pay attention to Vendetta, its CD, and what popping it does (to fully geared, MR1, tournament players)
sand shadow
locks are back to absolute tanks
that command entire teams to hide like rats behind pillars
or well, thats how it feels from my warrior PoV
maybe one of the hero specs feel differently 🤷
sharp meteor
Their death strikes also heal for a decent chunk if no ms
sand shadow
@sharp meteor I played dakkroth recently in 2s as Demo
raw summit
Am i supposed to Zug their pet
sand shadow
He did 12K DPS to me and killed me through the following buttons in the opener:
sharp meteor
Actaully so hard to deal with real warlocks on warr LMAO
raw summit
Since that has 1 min respawn CD
sharp meteor
Yeah die through parry and aegis
sand shadow
SR, IP, Aegis, Parry, Def stance, Shout, Fear, Sac, Wings
sharp meteor
literally have to pillar LMAO
sand shadow
No, I did it on purpose, yeah I can rat around the pillar
sharp meteor
too big of a ball of stats to even consider trading into
sand shadow
I can't beat that comp
sharp meteor
nop
sand shadow
Nothing I've tried is even remotely close
so I don't try anymore and meme
He did 12K DPS
He did 305K damage in 38seconds
through all of the above cooldowns
sand shadow
btw, Aegis is fucky, I swear to god, that thing is bugged
sharp meteor
i just avoid using it low and it seems fine
sand shadow
look at my healing that game
sand shadow
but yeah, it doesnt absorb 45.6K in 2s, even if you press it at the very start of the game like I did
burnt heart
All magic?
sand shadow
no, 305+62K from the disc
burnt heart
Combust should eat that shield instantly
sharp meteor
it does lmao
sand shadow
actually, I guess a bit of it was melee
raw summit
Priest healer damage is illegal as kyr
sand shadow
from the felguard and dogs etc
sharp meteor
we were spitballing opener vs rmp and we think it's mw trinket revival bust
burnt heart
Yeah none of that is magic
sand shadow
but more than enough to fully eat it anyway
burnt heart
Just the demo spells I guess
sharp meteor
like bladestorm aegis maybe parry after revival rips the sheep off
rmp deletion when
sharp meteor
bigly tyrant
sand shadow
which reminds me I really need to ask somebody
why do some demo tyrants do so little damage compared to others
raw summit
Tyrants scale off of mob hp
sand shadow
is it just based on how many pets are up?
sharp meteor
dakkan has 40% haste ahahahaha
raw summit
If they have more HP the pets have more hp
burnt heart
Like soulshards spent and pets give damage
raw summit
If they have more pets it's a bigger tyrant
sand shadow
but there isn't a specific build?
raw summit
That's how it works in pve at least
sand shadow
like, different talents/conduits/pvp talents/leggos etc?
burnt heart
Idk what that class does
sand shadow
I thought I kinda did
burnt heart
Just run from tyrant and try to not get one shot
raw summit
but there isn't a specific build?
Well if u take the dog pets
That cleave u have more HP Pool on field
burnt heart
It makes no sense unless you actually play it
sand shadow
all demo tyrants
did avg of 3k
I checked multiple times
per hit
sometimes I could just tank it no worries
others I couldn't
thats why I am confucius
raw summit
Aight that's all i know of demo
Go warlock Server "hey how can i make my tyrant do bigly dam?"
sand shadow
I've never once wished for some class/spec to be nerfed to the ground, even if they were batshit crazy OP
Because it's not players fault
and fair is when their spec is good, but fairly balanced
but I do wish that for wlocks right now
not because they do crazy damage
but because the game is so massively unfun vs them, every time
raw summit
Demo broken is pve and pvp 🙂
sand shadow
I swear, I prefer hunters
in 2s
as a warrior
I'd take a hunter any day
to a warlock
raw summit
I feel like i remotely have agency into destro but demo
sand shadow
it's just so obnoxious
sand shadow
MM is stupid
its not annoying
I tried anything vs demo tho
I even played Echoing a few times
anything at all to get a fighting chance
I am not even remotely close to figuring out how to beat them
I don't think it's possible
sand shadow
that's precisely the issue
sand shadow
the decimating leggo buff
needs to have a duration
thats one of the biggest issues imo
they get 3 of those shard thingies that make their next 3 demos instant and bigly
and that buff has no duration
Balespider at least does
raw summit
In very sure due to the raid race they will omega nuke demo
So hopefully those changes will help us out
sand shadow
are they insane in pve?
Whaazz spent last night's stream, and the day before, talking about how broken Jungle is into RMP btw 🙂
Don't get me wrong, I fucking respect the shit out of that guy
raw summit
are they insane in pve?
4 Demos topped World first jailer damage meter
Highest parsing spec in raid by a mile
wet scarab
Yeah they are going to be hit with a nerf
wet scarab
They fucked up warlock balancing so much that the pet spec does far more abuse than the nuke spec even in pve
sand shadow
like, Warrior isn't even bad, it's just that so many specs made olympic leaps ahead in relative terms
wet scarab
And than any other class in fact
raw summit
Oh ye demo does more 2 target cleave than destro
And thats literally all the spec is good for
wet scarab
Exactly
It’s absurd that pet and rot specs have more burst than, well, the burst spec
And that burst is so overtuned that they are better than other pure dps classes by miles
raw summit
Whaazz spent last night's stream, and the day before, talking about how broken J...
Whaazz is a phenomenon truly insane Player
sharp meteor
Whaazz spent last night's stream, and the day before, talking about how broken J...
Good, I'll be playing jungle soon enough and flagging the dead body of every rm player.
sharp meteor
which teams
o whazz yeah i could see it
still funny to see the anti rmp comp getting domed by rmp
raw summit
How do they Lose any game now
sharp meteor
are the mage player casters trying to explain how they deserved to die
raw summit
Into what do they lose
sharp meteor
idk some things might go even but in general
eh maybe something with an unh dk
rm just feels so in the hands of the rm players to throw the game
they don't even have to make crazy plays just don't feed
which is hard when you play the tankiest comp
raw summit
I honestly cant think of a thing that comp lacks
sand shadow
Because there isn't, that's why it's OP
It breaks the 3 out of 4 rule
by the way, I don't know if it's intended, nor have I tested it myself, but it would appear Condensed Anima Sphere conduit was either stealth buffed, or its nerf removed
They showed a Details breakdown of Blizo's healing last Cup, and it had done very significant healing
Last time I tested it after the nerf, even in 5m+ games, it did poop
like 30k healing, tho I might be misremembering I guess
near delta
like 30k healing, tho I might be misremembering I guess
The stam bonus plus new gear is huge for it though right?
sand shadow
It did more healing than I was expecting in relative, not absolute, terms
scarlet crown
are straddling gems still being used or is it better to stack vers
sharp meteor
Movement speed is the best stat.
scarlet crown
can't tell if trolling or not xD
raw summit
He's not
Vers is less valueable due to Trinket change
And if you have speed it's easier to keep uptime
Teapot good source of info
scarlet crown
okay cool, thanks!
gotta go fast :3
also, do covenant soulbinds matter a lot? I've seen mikanikos being picked more often for the last trait
undone pumice
its for autophial and stun phial
sharp meteor
Big spear, spear cdr and auto-stun are pretty good in general.
Especially in 3s versus melee because of how bursty things are.
The other two can have their place but I just think Mika is the default
scarlet crown
thanks guys!
sage raptor
There was a weapon way back in the day that autostunned. I guess blizz forgot how cringe autostuns are.
sage raptor
That's somehow worse lol
raw summit
Why can some hunters cast during turtle
sharp meteor
Idk why is turtle such a garbage button
undone pumice
Requires Priest (Holy)
Requires level 20
For the next 6 sec, all damage and healing dealt to the target is delayed until Ray of Hope ends. All healing that is delayed by Ray of Hope is increased by 50%.
Buff
Ray of Hope
Delaying damage and healing.
6 seconds remaining
sage raptor
That's pretty neat
raw summit
Ah so that's what negative ray means
sage raptor
Turtle being unbreakable is so dumb.
sage raptor
Both dumb
sharp meteor
Yeah, CC priest on ray then slam into it and they'll usually implode.
sage raptor
And unnecessary
pale minnow
so what's prio stats for fury warrior then in pvp? vers>haste> rest??
sharp meteor
Haste is great, vers is good, mastery is good, crit is bad
undone pumice
all my homies hate crit
low remnant
guys
where i can forge the enduring blow leggendary for pvp?
i ahve unity only on waist
low remnant
ah its not important where put the enduring?
low remnant
oke ty
raw summit
Awc matches kinda jank rn
low remnant
u macro the spear or u use it to bait enemyes?
sharp meteor
what does that even mean
frank knoll
Smexxin was saying Venthyr is his choice cov for fury
So Venthyr with either signet or deathmaker. Seems fun
frank knoll
How?
sharp meteor
idk
frank knoll
Ohh I mean yeah if you BS you lose uptime on RA unless you have a cancel aura
Which I do but annoying
jaunty furnace
warped warren
wispy dock
Making a fury warrior but I'm torn on covenants. Kyrian seems great for non comm pugging, but I really like condemn lol
wispy dock
I'm about to turn on threads of fate so I wanna lvl the one in gonna be pvping with
sand shadow
Ok, so am I crazy, or is Condensed Anima Sphere Conduit bugged rn?
Mine is 5% heal per proc
I just did a 2v2 skirmish, where Dampen starts at 20%
and I have a 2,048 heal from it with 79,160 hp
wispy dock
Then I gotta level more covenants and that makes me wanna not play lol
sand shadow
But it is nerfed by 50% in PvP
So 2.5%, which is 1,979 heal based off of my current HP
which seems kinda close to 2,048, but at best that happened at at least 25% dampening
o_O
I did not use Rally whatsoever
wispy dock
How much was overhealing
raw summit
So you are thinking it removed the pvp aura?
sand shadow
sharp meteor
Does it scale off vers
sand shadow
idk!?
ignore the Min healing, I was fighting a psyfiend at about the 3.5min mark
so damp + psyfiend
sand shadow
So you are thinking it removed the pvp aura?
I am either missing something, which is likely, or something along those lines, yes?
Hence my sharing
mb someone sees yet another obvious error i've made
elder wigeon
anima sphere is good if the next best thing would be an empty spot
or if you're fury not playing impending victory
sand shadow
I messed around w/ Fury helping friends cap yea
oh shit
rofl
there's an impeding victory conduit lewl
I didn't even think of it
it does like 1.9k dmg for me in arena, so that's quite some healing jesus
fickle forge
So 2.5%, which is 1,979 heal based off of my current HP
So it works as intended then?
compact schooner
guys, id like to make an alt (DPS) that gets invited on RBGs. I know druid guardian is always invited, but I dont want to sit bases.. other than that, I have a disc priest, but holy is better now right? id like to go for clashes and do some big damage, but i dont want to sit on LFG for too long also. Do you guys think the real go is DK for shot calling? what are your thoughts on affliction warlock and shadowpriests
sand shadow
So it works as intended then?
Not if you factor in at least 25% dampening, which is when the fighting started (was 1v2 so they wanted 1v1 duels and we sat pillars for a bit)
fickle forge
5% of 80k is 4k, which is reduced by 50% in PvP, so 2k, add in about 30% versa you have a 2.6k heal which is reduced to roughly 2k from damp
distant warren
is single minded fury playable in pvp?
elder wigeon
yeah, two handers is better tho
lavish pivot
where you guys look for talents, leggos and stuff for fury pvp? murlok io?
Fury seems the rule now
cosmic pumice
ANYONE here have the jailer weapon yet?
sharp meteor
where you guys look for talents, leggos and stuff for fury pvp? murlok io?
Fury ...
I just play whatever looks/feels good.
Which is Kyrian Arms for the third season in a row.
at least until tier
sharp meteor
ANYONE here have the jailer weapon yet?
I saw some DK doing crazy damage with the proc even after the nerf
sand shadow
5% of 80k is 4k, which is reduced by 50% in PvP, so 2k, add in about 30% versa y...
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Sneaky Versa, hiding in plain sight! Thanks mate 😉
can someone explain this DB range?
ain't that... idk, a bit extreme to be considered "in front of you"
cosmic pumice
I saw some DK doing crazy damage with the proc even after the nerf
so it was confirmed to be nerfed?
sharp meteor
Patch notes said 50%, no?
elder wigeon
it's been nerfed for a long time
robust hearth
NECRO OR VENTHYR for fury 1h with 2 piece set?
glass sparrow
Noob question, anyone here using bidebuffs and can tell me how to increase the size of debuffs next to the raidframes?
silver stone
Why sometimes my intervene wont work i use my intervene against rouges or warriors but still they killing my healer like my intervene doing nothing and im not taking any damege
sharp meteor
It eats ranged/melee for 3 seconds if you reach the target and stay near them.
it won't stop stuff that's already on the target, like bleeds/poisons, magic damage in general. A divine storm still hits your partner.
mystic barn
i love warriors that intervene to me then immediately go back to chasing something across the map thus asking the question "why did you even intervene me"
its like they dont know to stay in range
sand shadow
dw, we love people kiting our intervenes just as much 
and at least you get safeguard leave guy alone ok
sharp meteor
Sometimes you just need to take a hit or two, apply safeguard then rotate out. Just kind of depends.
Or in the case of dots it's literally just safeguard.
sharp meteor
Emotional support intervene.
sand shadow
if I were to camp BMAH and get t3 pieces on some random ass realm, would they add to my collection on my main on my main realm?
sharp meteor
Yep.
sand shadow
I'd need like a plate char to buy it I guess?
sharp meteor
Yes, and they need to be max level now.
sharp meteor
So until SL you could just use class trials, right
sand shadow
thats no bueno dude
sharp meteor
I collected carry gold on dead realms on trial chars, or allied races
and just used those but now
they have to be max level
sand shadow
so the only way is on a realm I both have gold AND a plate max lvl class?
sharp meteor
sand shadow
Blizzard goes too far mayne
sharp meteor
Yeah. This is why you'll see some of the higher rated warrs on backwater as fuck realms.
to collect that t3 with a gbank of gold they moved over
Because spending 3m a piece on a decent server is just stoopid
sharp meteor
Idk it's cheaper and everything except raiding is xrealm
sand shadow
Yeah but even if i were to move one of my platers on a dead realm w/ gold, wouldn't it still take literal months to colect?
sharp meteor
Yes.
sand shadow
this is getting better and better
sharp meteor
Which is why I was telling people to do it back in mop-wod.
I got most of the sets for like 10k a piece, only missing like 5-6 pieces between them all
plus the entire lock one because fuck my luck
sand shadow
so it wasn't enough that these go for millions
and that the pieces themselves pop up for sale once a blue moon
but they also added a further restriction by askin for max lvl
sharp meteor
You can snag them for a few hundred k on the low end usually
Yeah because of degens like me
I got the whole rogue set for like 150k
sand shadow
Yeah but I have no actual way of knowing what will be available when right
so it could take like half a year
sharp meteor
then bid up some r1 to 900k on a piece i already had by calling him poor
sharp meteor
Yeah but I have no actual way of knowing what will be available when right
Correct.
lucid walrus
if I were to camp BMAH and get t3 pieces on some random ass realm, would they ad...
rp realms are the goldmine
sand shadow
are they?
lucid walrus
got my dread helm for 30k like 2 weeks ago
sharp meteor
The other thing you can do is have chars on multiple realms then xfer to grab stuff
sand shadow
aren't RPers heavy into Tmog?
sharp meteor
or just have gold split
lucid walrus
dead rp servers
sharp meteor
The play is backwater realms
lucid walrus
they are though yes
sharp meteor
Silver Hand or Anub'arak
lucid walrus
NA
sand shadow
soyboy
sharp meteor
Just examples off the top of my head that I used on NA
sand shadow
The other thing you can do is have chars on multiple realms then xfer to grab st...
elaborate?
sharp meteor
Idk if realmpop still works
sand shadow
to check the AH with them?
sharp meteor
Yes.
sand shadow
and then xfer w/ gold and snag the piece?
lucid walrus
yea
sand shadow
aha
I see
It's just, I've always thought Dreadnaught is possibly the sickest warrior set
sharp meteor
It's shitty to do now, yeah. Imo the best long-term play is just xfer a few million to a low pop, ideally two, on two warrs
sand shadow
and it is pretty rare still
sharp meteor
then just chill for a few months
lucid walrus
the poor man’s play is to just park an unplayed alt of the same armor class there
sand shadow
I actually had most of it in Vanilla
lucid walrus
if poor = smart
sand shadow
but GMs refuse to gief back
sharp meteor
Yeah I vendored my ruthless elite and gms told me to fuck off
Smile to hide the pain.
sand shadow
thats even meaner
mine was from vanilla
I kinda get it
they prolly no longer have records etc
sharp meteor
Wanna know what's evne better
I have the wod elite set, the red power ranger set, minus one piece
sand shadow
btw, this reminds me, I miss my Arena Master title
and I got R1 in 5s back in the ice age
sharp meteor
and the gms are "unable to verify that you qualified" despite having the rest of the set in my bags and the achi on that char
sand shadow
my achievements stats says 1500 highest 5s
sand shadow
thats odd
sharp meteor
GMs are like nope can't help
sand shadow
I have them all and they work properly
despite being pre AChi system
I guess some weird shit happened over the years idk
but anyway
Why would I park an alt to watch the BMAH on other realms of the same armor type
wouldn't any armor type alt work?
@lucid walrus
sharp meteor
You need to be plate to learn it, and max level to even see the bmah.
sand shadow
oh so I can't even see the BMAH
wait, doesn't that website
underminejournal?
show BMAH on all realms
what it has up for grabs currently?
simple rock
I think someone has to be on it to report it
with an addon
so like some dead af realms won't ahve data
sand shadow
And wasn't there like a super long wait time on realm xfers?
or am I just thinking of old limitations?
I mean cooldown, once you xfer, you can't xfer again for a month
and what about my 3rd warr, its BFA level, like old 120, dno what it is now
that wont see the BMAH too?
lucid walrus
oh so I can't even see the BMAH
you have to be 60 to see it yeah
sand shadow
im scandalized
lucid walrus
you can see what's up on any armor class, i just mean to buy it i sure hope you're using a plate wearer
sand shadow
I understand
so the only question now is like
what is the xfer cooldown
and are xfer cooldowns character based
lucid walrus
not a clue. realm hopping like that isn't what i'd recommend but i know people do it frequently
sand shadow
or account bassed
sand shadow
they for sure existed way back when
but maybe they removed the limitation
ez $
@lucid walrus what would you recommend?
I am incredibly impatient
lucid walrus
mm. not sure
sand shadow
when I want something, waiting is torture
lucid walrus
with bmah sniping it's definitely a waiting game
patience is definitely what makes it though. i've let a couple dudes who camp on longboys just grab their last pieces bc i'm not reasonably able to compete w/ that
sand shadow
I guesst he biggest issue would be data, even if I had the gold and were willing to xfer for pieces
as in, if underminejournal is indeed not consistently updated on low pop realms, where the most delicious pieces would be
Id have no way of knowing where to xfer anyway
lucid walrus
i think a lot of idiots will keep TSM on when they check. fairly sure their bmah tracker is still active
umj should be pretty reliable. it often is
lucid walrus
sand shadow
hm, can't see that Undermine Journal has a BMAH tracker actually
it's TSM that has it
lucid walrus
thought as much. don't use undermine often enough to recall
me just make things that sell good when patchie drop
speaking of, unbridled fury is probably gonna sell like mad on reset
alch pots
sand shadow
mage tower?
sand shadow
that was fun
could've been so much better if properly tuned though, or if templates were made
lucid walrus
glad it's coming back perma. some tuning would be nice but eeh
sand shadow
it went from challenging to absolutely trivial once I swapped some items around
the prot one was cool tho
lucid walrus
i still dunno how the itemizing works. i ratted it out doing the fury one w/ pre-nerf crusader for the set
not gonna hold myself to standards for pve lmao
sand shadow
The Arms one was nigh impossible w/ full vers PvP gear
lucid walrus
oh yeah
sand shadow
even if you made infinitesimal steps on the void walker guy
to preserve as much room as possible
lucid walrus
granted that's basically all i had. bit too much of a zoomer to have the super sick socketed looms from wod
sand shadow
yeah I didn't have that
I just went and bought green items w/ proper stats
and smashed it easy
much easier anyway
sand shadow
we're not off to a good start m8
though I guess this is heavily offtopic so i'll stop, wish me luck
sharp meteor
acquiring t3 and the cringe guitar axe is pretty pvp related to warrior idk what u mean
sand shadow
hard pass on the goofy guitar
near delta
acquiring t3 and the cringe guitar axe is pretty pvp related to warrior idk what...
Tru
sand shadow
How often does the BMAH update with new stuff?
sand shadow
but is it new item every 24hrs?
sand shadow
but just 1 new, or completely new batch
sharp meteor
could be like 11 pieces of junk
2 sick mounts etc
or like 3 tot patterns
plus a shit pet
sharp meteor
👀
sand shadow
bought a premium sub to see it
everything looks pretty up-to-date
btw, 72hrs is the cooldown on same character realm xfers
lucid walrus
but auctions clear at like 10 pm est
seems like it's 11 central
sharp meteor
yeah like they'll all end by a certain time but can be extended with bids
easy to forget what time and somebody else bids it last minute
lucid walrus
ayup
sand shadow
so I can get them on a paladin yes, max lvl
and it will add them to my collection for use on my main?
it's no longer warrior-only?
and its the same BMAH for A/H?
sharp meteor
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
sand shadow
oooh, I remember the one just oustide the pyramid on the coast in Zuldazar yeah
wtf was Revendreth again? wasn't that like an OG rogue faction from vanilla in Hillsbrad
wait thats the Venthyr zone, there's a BMAH in the Venthyr zone?
lucid walrus
wait thats the Venthyr zone, there's a BMAH in the Venthyr zone?
yeah
y'know that one spot where you get the weird turn-in quests to drop by the brokers in the south? on that little island with the bridge?
sharp meteor
wait thats the Venthyr zone, there's a BMAH in the Venthyr zone?
Yes.
lucid walrus
that's where it is
sand shadow
i'll just do dazaralor 😄
lucid walrus
that's the smart call imo
sand shadow
oh, I don't think that exists according to a google'd wowhead article?
lucid walrus
wait no you can fly now. idk how quick getting mail would be now that that's a thing. huh
sand shadow
says Madam Goya moved to Revendreth
lucid walrus
both dazar and revendreth work
sand shadow
oh, its super near to the place where you get ported to w/ the shadowlands generator toy
Revendreth it is!
sharp meteor
rsham in the hpriest knife fight bracket eh
plain wing
what
sharp meteor
the spec is a LITTLE finicky rn
plain wing
so dont go resto sham?
warped warren
priest and druid brobably
plain wing
good to know hutners are still retarded
literally just cant kill them
with h priest
fucking retarded game
lucid walrus
more skewed in their favor this season
plain wing
1500 dogshit ragnaros players
lucid walrus
2s kind of a wash rn
mystic barn
whats wrong with ragnaros players
plain wing
HOW THE FUCK DO I BEAT ELE MISTWEAVER 2S
LIKE WHAT THE FUCK
DISARM EVERY FUCKING GOE
GIGA DAMAGE FROM ELE
mystic barn
trinket the disarm
plain wing
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GAME
quasi lotus
Reformed bruin when
plain wing
bru straight up
doing double my fucking damage
nothing ic an fucking do
fucking retarded
mystic barn
hamstring
plain wing
if i go mw
he just ports
and then im fucked
i go ele
i get disarmed
like what the fuck
and ele damage is retarded
like what the fuck
this isnt fun at all
mystic barn
why do you keep using that word to describe damage
sharp meteor
omg wait bruin is back
steep inlet
And still a clown
raw summit
It's wonderful that these probably all are based on a one game sample
And thats enough for him to determine it's unbeatable
sage raptor
The average arms main
tranquil hemlock
scarlet barn
And still a clown
fickle forge
The average arms main
🎣
sage raptor
What if it's not bait? What if it's truly my unfiltered, dogshit opinion?
What if
You slept in jeans?
fickle forge
Don't make me leak you, DK main
mystic barn
paladinma
sage raptor
QCP not having a pfp fucks with me because I keep think discord isn't working.
Average DK main
mystic barn
You will have to take my pfp issue up with berry
raw summit
Idk what you mean it loads just fine for me
fathom spoke
Hi! after a year without playing wow, how is fury for pvp?
magic plover
best fury legendary for fury/warr/rdruid?
elder wigeon
Hi! after a year without playing wow, how is fury for pvp?
pretty much par with arms in A tier
both do things better than each other
elder wigeon
best fury legendary for fury/warr/rdruid?
best dps lego for fury is deathmaker/signet
magic plover
best dps lego for fury is deathmaker/signet
which one tho?
raw summit
DM gets better with 4p
elder wigeon
it's your choice, the fury playerbase is split
signet offers better cleave, dm offers better single target
I think DM is more reliable and flexible
but I don't main fury right now
mystic barn
Did d stance nerf bring arms down 2 tiers or smthin
elder wigeon
I prefer arms still currently
wizards getting buffed and d stance getting nerfed brought arms down a lot
mystic barn
Ok the wizard thing is fair
mystic barn
The wizard thing being far and away above melee justifies arms being a tier
elder wigeon
the d-stance nerf hurt arms against other melee
magic plover
it's your choice, the fury playerbase is split
ty for the longer explanation
mystic barn
You get tunneled on both specs now
elder wigeon
well definitely
fury and arms aren't really any more tanky than the other against jungle
fury looks better on the score board because of the more healing, but parry doesn't show up as healing like enraged regen does
mystic barn
I haven’t seen jungle in s3 yet but when I do I’m just gonna run the healer down
raw summit
Arms has slight advantages if you pre parry but fury can use wall in cc which is also good
raw summit
Also you can use it as a catchup cd
mystic barn
can’t die by the sword without a sword sir
raw summit
Parry has to be preemptive
elder wigeon
i have a mace, not a sword 
mystic barn
Ya if I’m playing tsg I’m gonna tell him to disarm the warrior imeddiatelt after my stun
big dam ded dumb warrior
elder wigeon
I honestly prefer arms over fury any day of the week
mystic barn
Mace these nuts resune
elder wigeon
it's just more fun personally
mystic barn
Ya I feel you I only liked fury in m+
elder wigeon
fury is cool but honestly reroll dh if you're that serious kekw
I don't think fury offers an advantage over arms as much as dh would in the situations where you just need a damage bot spec
mystic barn
tbh unholy fury tsg is more fun than hero cleave
elder wigeon
that's fair
i just think it's weird how every awc team plays fury only and not arms as if it's like arms isn't viable
only awc team to q up as arms is clapper and caprise
mystic barn
I haven’t watched awc we’re there any good dk showings
elder wigeon
vices is the highest warrior in the world and as arms, playing turbo
elder wigeon
I haven’t watched awc we’re there any good dk showings
yup walking dead is super good rn, watch NA's team liquid
mystic barn
I heard whoever was in it knew the secret dk build
elder wigeon
I haven't played tsg since mop
magic plover
vices is the highest warrior in the world and as arms, playing turbo
hey, decided to go for deathmaker
where would i craft it ?
magic plover
whaaaz has on legs 🤔
raw summit
Legs is tier
But higher stats
So until u have tier it's a tiny advantage but youd have to recraft
raw summit
Ye since im assuming you get 4p+unity on chest or some shit
simple rock
fighting lock caster cleave repeatedly is so exhausting as warr
almost every game tonight had some lock spec lol
simple rock
i'm fine with destro and affli to an extent but demo lock rn maaaaAN
magic plover
what are you guys going against mld?
simple rock
just whatever we can hit without getting caught out
usually
but mage seems like the best target if we have a good setup
as kyrian
fathom spoke
both do things better than each other
Thanks so much!
elder wigeon
np
mystic barn
I never ever wanna see a Demo again
amz slot machine on one teammate and hope the demo wasn’t aiming at the other one
raw summit
Stacking is worse than gambling i assume?
mystic barn
Theoretically it’s best to 3 stack in it but the way some people are in arena I can only amz one
I’ve seen demo gun many many men down
mystic barn
I don’t know about that but they can hold it for a very long time
Demo bolt is one of their builders so it’s bad to sit on it forever tho
simple rock
it just seems like if you ever try to pre cd you get fucked if they don't commit in that moment
so inbetween casts is most value but it seems so hard
mystic barn
Ya uh I guess if you wanted to react you commit dcds after first demon bolt lmao
cept after that ur dead since the next ones coming
quaint snow
anyone still playing arms btw?
quaint snow
i dunno i made the arms legendary... and no all are fury and say arms warrior is troll
feeelsbadman
undone pumice
arms is not troll
arms is maybe a bit bad in 2s right now
but by no means a bad spec
quaint snow
thanks for the headsup
deft mirage
Guys anyone knows an addon that tells you what spell you reflected?
undone pumice
i think it shows up in details or recount?
a lot of spells are visually reflected tho like a lot of the *bolts
deft mirage
ik, but many times you want to reflect idk, mindgames
and maybe some other way less important spell gets in the way just before
ionic gazelle
but by no means a bad spec
It is
Check spec popularity and spec performance
Warrior worst pvp class right now
3s looks not THAT bad only becoz of turbo retwar and shp war
But there a lot of shp dh, enh dh around already
wary harbor
warrior is still in top 4 in leaderboard and ladder representation as of last week acc to luduslabs.
for melees
wheat jay
you can just check check-pvp representation above 2.4k in 3s 🙂
frank knoll
i dunno i made the arms legendary... and no all are fury and say arms warrior is...
That’s literally the opposite of what people told me like 6 months ago when I was playing fury
undone pumice
fury was troll 6 months ago
because arms was just so much better
now theyre somewhat equal ig
frank knoll
Funny how things change. People were talking about how the spec needed to be completely revamped to be viable in PvP.
burnt heart
I mean they nerfed dstance this patch
So fury has the same DR without the -20% damage
And the tier set gives you free reck procs as fury which is big with RA
steep inlet
That’s literally the opposite of what people told me like 6 months ago when I wa...
Maybe because things were very differents ?
burnt heart
Yeah lol whole new patch obviously response from 6months ago may be less relevant 😂
warped warren
wait my bis weapon isnt shadowmourne??????
fucking trolls told me its bis, 12 years ago
raw summit
Why didnt fury just get an insane tier set last season
Tbh
Easy fix for the spec diff
undone pumice
the reason fury is better now imo is
tier is better on fury
dstance nerf hit arms very hard
this is it
wet scarab
lmao Gandalf cleave
sand shadow
I finally did some Fury 3s last night, though at joke MMR... I was doing up to 7k dps 🐒
w/o a single tier piece
turn off brain, smash pve rotation
sand shadow
precisely, yes
but that is what Fury is most of the time
and my healing (and I think @elder wigeon reminded me that im not even using the victory rush conduit, which is big) is just nuts
or someone reminded me
btw, I did a calculation big math, my Banner averages around 22sec no tier Fury
w/ the necro cov leg I mean
wet scarab
you know, the weird thing that makes arms a bit of a crutch for me is I like fury, like the rotation, and feel it's a lot more pressure, but I just keep feeling like my partners are dying because of my fewer peels
sand shadow
Tested on dummy, the theoretical max is like 32 sec, tho in arena it's obviously much harder
What fewer peels?
You lack Duel and War Banner?
sand shadow
You can play STormbolt as Fury
wet scarab
and feel like I can only take one or the other
sand shadow
also playable as Fury 😄
wet scarab
yeah but doesn't that negate the benefit of self healing survivability?
sand shadow
I mean
it's a trade for sure
but if you want big selfhealing, then you probably don't need to peel as much?
perhaps
wet scarab
yeah perhaps it's comp dependent, in 3s I play a lot with an spriest so I have to help out quite often because I'm never the main target
sand shadow
their necro shit got nerfed
sand shadow
like, literally blasted iirc
played w/ an afflock btw, an undergeared one that used to be very good 2 expansions ago, but is defo rusty AF and plays w/ 30FPS in arena (Literally)
that comp bangs
wet scarab
yeah my fav comp has been with a demo lock
it's nice to be on the right side of that bullshit
sand shadow
hahha
I think I just really like the rot from Affli, especially since it's so bonkers right now
my dmg, plus rot, plus 40% slaughterhouse for extended periods
shit needs to be pressed all the time to live it
its actually nuts
wet scarab
lol with the demo lock he's always the first target of melee and they jump in the middle of all his adds and they get deleted
sand shadow
they probably need to nerf Slaughterhouse
wet scarab
I don't really understand what he does either but every time someone tries to attack me they go into a stun lock like every 20 seconds
and then they die to some random cast
sand shadow
Demo is Omega Tier busted atm
nearly as busted as Assa 4pc Vendetta leggo
so is affli btw
wet scarab
thing with demo is the class itself is busted independent of gear
wet scarab
destro is decent it's just messed up that the actual burst class is much worse at burst than the pet and rot classes lol
forget the healing and all that but the magic damage they put out in single spells should not be possible
wet scarab
lmao
sand shadow
a holy priest no less
wet scarab
yeah I always take shattering talent in those games but the rate of drain life is just nuts
that's the actual problem with their healing I think
lol they just negate the damage if you're out of kicks
wet scarab
man so nice
wet scarab
fury is worth it if only that you can see how much it pisses off a rogue to see you heal to full like that
sand shadow
not even playing the Impending Victory Conduit here btw, as you can see
playing the piss Sphere instead because I Forgot the former exists
wet scarab
how you liking necro? it felt a lot better to me than the janky venthyr rotation
sand shadow
I did 13.4K from VR dmg, which is x4 w/ the conduit in healing, so another ~54k if no MS
I think people have been wildly underestimating Necro for warrior in 9.2 for a long time now
due to the objectively piss cov leggo compared to stuff like Elyisian Might
but there are so many other factors in play that make up what Necro is
but yeah, I haven't tried Fury Kyrian/Venthyr, and even these games I have played as Fury 3s are like 20 in total and at dog MMR
wet scarab
yeah the consistent dps with fury feels like it needs a buff like banner sometimes to actually land the kills faster
sand shadow
so I don't yet have an opinion
wet scarab
you hit 2400 in 2s as arms or fury?
sand shadow
arms on both yea
wet scarab
what leggo were you playing as fury? I feel like signet is a bit degenerate but also a ton of fun
sand shadow
i tired reckless def a few days ago
felt poop
deathmaker now
I think Signet is the dumbest shit I've ever seen
wet scarab
haha
wet scarab
it is but man when the good procs line up
wet scarab
it's been nice to play it with RA into hunter rdruid teams
sand shadow
RA is fucking busted btw
wet scarab
100%
sand shadow
I thought AM would make more sense theoretically
but RA is just a pump monster
I did 14.5k RBlows w/. it
wet scarab
it's funny to pop banner and RA together and watch rdruids panic like WTF GET OFF ME
raw summit
Haha yea
wet scarab
nobody understands fury abilities yet it's hilarious