pvp

[sand shadow]

exactly

[undone pumice]

who did this

[sand shadow]

and you could play 2 pts in Imp Slam and it became like 0.5sec cast or wtv

and in a very specific time period

it was broken good yet nobody played it

because it paused auto attacks etc

[undone pumice]

what ancient ass time period was this

[sand shadow]

but it did baller damgur

[undone pumice]

wrath?

[sand shadow]

this looks cata

yea its cata i have throwdown

[undone pumice]

didnt cata introduce new talent tree

[sand shadow]

the first time they gave us a stun

iirc

[undone pumice]

or was that mop

[sand shadow]

that was mop i believe?

idk might be wrong

[undone pumice]

thinking is hard

[sand shadow]

yea

https://rpgworld.altervista.org/talentcata/eng/?WR

cata still had OG talent trees

this thing

[undone pumice]

jesus

[sand shadow]

so it went from like 1.5s to 0.5s

[undone pumice]

throwdown

5 second stun

budget hammer of justice

[sand shadow]

and iirc, it had the AP modifier MS had

if not higher

[undone pumice]

broken wtf

[sand shadow]

I distinctly remember telling people Slam was OP, nobody ever believed me

it was awkward AF, but it was busted

[novel basalt]

Does anyone know how to create an arena 1,2,3 for onnibar? for example, each bar is for one particular class? This addon is useful but its really hard to process when its all mix-matched with all abilities on CD from different classes

omni*

[sand shadow]

I believe a special edited version exists somewhere on the net

which allows you to do stuff the normal OB doesn't

like group kicks, offensive CDs, defensive CDs

dunno if it also does what you want

[novel basalt]

I saw a dude jacelad he makes yt content for warrior and he had that setup ugh

Trying to convince to drop a pastebin link to import a profile

[raw summit]

Arena 123 and then copypasta ur standard tracked stuff seems ezpz

[thorn jay]

Arena 2s with healer: Necro, unity, dm, ra. Thoughts?

[raw summit]

Why not

[thorn jay]

1800, 2100?

[raw summit]

Depends on how well u play

Also if you dodge hpriest surv

[thorn jay]

Lmao

I've been running arms in arena but I don't rly have a dedicated pvp leggo made. So I was just thinking roll fury with that build. Currently between 1600 and 1700

[raw summit]

Do u have eb from pve?

[thorn jay]

I do not. Play fury pve

[raw summit]

Imo sticking to ur main pvp spec is a good Idea

Not having parry is really akward

[thorn jay]

K so If I went necro arms I should make enduring blow?

[undone pumice]

yesh

[thorn jay]

Kk ty

[dry trail]

what about kyrian arms unity + endurying blow also ?

[thorn jay]

I refuse to play Blue Man group lol

[dry trail]

well u beat rogue mage with spear

one good spear on the rogue gg

[thorn jay]

I could see the potential. I don't deny it's good. I just can't go back on it at this point lol

[raw summit]

As necro

U cant really catch an rdu

As kyr u can

[thorn jay]

What about night fae fury?

[dry trail]

phil what about second leggo for kyrian unity + EB also ?

ps : i need 3 more weeks for revered feels bad man

[undone pumice]

eb is really strong

like really strong

[thorn jay]

What's it do again? I can't remember

[raw summit]

EB is good yea

[raw summit]

That's the one that procs wb debuff on your mortal strike

Enduring Blow

[thorn jay]

Ah yes

[undone pumice]

heyguisewhatslotunity

[sand shadow]

[fickle forge]

Hey guys what slot do I put unity belt on?

[scarlet barn]

Hey guys what slot do I put unity belt on?

[spice hornet]

What slot unity? Plz help

Also what leggo for night fae?

[spice hornet]

Lol throw down was so bad, getting your stun dodged by rogues and ferals

[sterile vector]

Guide 9.2 war ?

[burnt heart]

The guide to 9.2 war is to reroll hunter

[sterile vector]

XD

Need guide to 9.2

[burnt heart]

That is the guide 😂

U see BM just got a 3% buff

[fickle forge]

[sterile vector]

i see 9.1 is this?

[fickle forge]

Ah yeah, mods just haven't repinned

But they're 9.2 guides

Poke the valks on getting pins update

[sterile vector]

u have a pin

stat prio and more

this is 9.2 ?

[fickle forge]

The quick guide?

Prob still 9.1.5

[sterile vector]

ty

[undone pumice]

poke the valks on a fucking what slot unity pin

[fickle forge]

That's a bit of a far stretch to ezpect the valks to know what slot unity goes on

Not even @elfin surge knows what slot unity goes on

[undone pumice]

unity on uhh trinket

[low sparrow]

Do we go necro as fury I see everyone on murlok fury necro I thought kyrian was good

[fickle forge]

Unity on medallion 😎 👍

[sand shadow]

Anyone that plays warlock or alts it?

How the fuck does a demo demonbolt me

3 times in 2sec

i dont fucking get it

no PI or anything

[undone pumice]

i think they just have a billion diff modifiers

[spice hornet]

Decimating bolt makes it insta cast

[fickle forge]

Demo locks get insta DB casts from their demons dying

Decimating just buffs them

[low sparrow]

Any one know ?

[torpid shell]

Anybody has an idea how to track Death Sentence CD?

There's no indication in the CLEU

and I tried Timed duration afterwards

but i cant detect if its a charge execute or a normal one

any thoughts?

[sand shadow]

@spice hornet I know that

but an instant still incurs a GCD was my point

he did 3 instants in 2.0sec

even w/ rogue baseline gcds thats 3sec?

[raw summit]

its hillarious how much necro fury eats ret

at my mmr

[sharp meteor]

Travel time?

Also idk why they thought it'd be chill to let a spell get modified by like 20 things.

Legit takes it from 2k to 70k

[raw summit]

guise where untiy

this slot any goood?

[undone pumice]

[low kite]

is it worth running 4piece in pvp?

or nah just stack vers for DR

[warped warren]

4pc is really good

[low kite]

tyty

[sand shadow]

explain this shit

11.5K ascended blast

through Aegis

?!

[raw summit]

Aegis absorbs half

So he 22d u

[fickle forge]

Looks more like he hit 11.6k and then the aegis retracted 50% of that

[raw summit]

Sounds more plausible

Kyr priest kinda filthy tbh

Btw what exactly does the NF dh thing do

My heal got hunt/fel rushd and died 100-0 in half a global

And idk if that's highroll or just the way it is

[nimble jasper]

initial hit then a dot

[undone pumice]

also a root or stun i think

[raw summit]

Is the thing buffed from Lego?

[clear ibex]

any of the new pvp trinkets good for fury ?

[raw summit]

Hunt itself hasnt been so much dam in my last games before 2L

[undone pumice]

prob

but i dontthink nf overtakes necro again

[nimble jasper]

they get an agi buff for each target hit

and a free immolation aura

its not much

[raw summit]

So it doesnt buff the inital dam?

And we just got outskilled

[nimble jasper]

no

[sand shadow]

retracted nothing though

I was RIP

arena is so much fun 🙂

this guy is not just 4pc

he is 5pc

styling

[sharp meteor]

I don't think envenom interacts with the tier, does it?

[undone pumice]

i think it do

it dont

nvm

[fickle forge]

It prevented 5.5k so

[undone pumice]

wait it do

idk

[fickle forge]

It shouldn't since it isn't a poison

[undone pumice]

but its a venom

[fickle forge]

It's a melee attack though

And I believe the tier set only affects poisons and bleeds?

Envenom is supposedly just a melee attack that inflicts nature damage

[candid veldt]

anyone have a link to all stuns in pvp? found a page and its up to date as of 5.0.4 lmao

[undone pumice]

theres like

at least 2

[fickle forge]

What do you need a list of all stuns for?

[undone pumice]

omnibar?

[fickle forge]

Can just find the spells in the omnibar spell list then

[candid veldt]

ye just feel like theres stuns im unaware of, dont play many classes other than zug

[low sparrow]

Do we go necro as fury I see everyone on murlok fury necro I thought kyrian was good

[undone pumice]

necro if u want to be fast and have mastery buff

kyrian if u want to throw ur spear through the floor

[sand shadow]

Ooooh. I get it now. Was between queues and triggered. It did do what it's supposed to do

Unlucky

Highest I got hit by baboon today was 19k btw 😄

[tropic hull]

Have you guys dropped defensive stance altogether this patch or is D-Stance still a good choice situationally ? Just getting back into arenas and i am still getting used to the nerf and trying to adapt

[candid veldt]

D stance is still the best option, the nerf just sucks

[spice hornet]

I don’t even run it anymore

Got to 2.4K in 3s without it

It’s worthless literally

10% is nothing literslly in a meta like this, -20% is too much of a penalty to bear

[fickle forge]

What comp?

[spice hornet]

Ret arms

[sharp meteor]

Yeah I play leap thing most games

20% dam reduction is just death

[elder wigeon]

you don't have to sit D often when running it

only really try to pre-d a stun or get into it during big cooldowns

[spice hornet]

Pre D the stun and die anyway

[elder wigeon]

yeah but it helps 🤷‍♂️

[full quiver]

So does leaping away lol

[sand shadow]

can't leap in a stun tho (fix pls)

[full quiver]

pre leap bro

[sand shadow]

no

i wan't something broken

i really do

leaping in stun sounds like the type of thing I'd like

[undone pumice]

actually

warrior should get somethinf ully broken

more than we already do

kekw

[sand shadow]

warrior is trash

D tier

needs buffs

[undone pumice]

we need something funnily broken

like it doesnt do much but its funny as fuck

like having a bloodthirst as arms just like fury has slam for no reason

but its nerfed bloodthirst

[autumn matrix]

hey just recently started to gear my pvp arms warrior, is it worth getting the unity in belt slot?

[undone pumice]

hey guise waht slot unity

[raw summit]

but ip now absorbs 55% instead of 50% now 11!!11!

[undone pumice]

like how is it possible

for a class to feel this good and this dogshit at the same time

i just dont get it man

[fickle forge]

Maybe there's a correlation between having a hybrid super utility melee with you that makes it less punishing 👀

I don't think you can afford to do that as other comps

[undone pumice]

enh?

does enh and feral count as hybrids

[fickle forge]

They're hybrids, but they don't have ret utility

[elder wigeon]

unity is necessary, I wouldn't use it on belt though.

[elder wigeon]

common slots being wrist, ring, legs and chest

up to you where you put it

[autumn matrix]

so getting Enduring Blows on head isnt a bad choice

wrist would give unity a socket slot alos

[undone pumice]

mine did

c:

[sharp meteor]

It's good/fine. Issue is that you might get tier helm out of box, and as for eventual bis you probably want tier helm as it's vers/haste.

[autumn matrix]

@sharp meteor tbh im just starting to gear myself, using 291 helm everything else just pvp gear and trying to get the unity belt from questline

but if its better to craft unity in other slot that has sockets or better stats better i start farming for that

[sharp meteor]

Makes minimal difference

[sand shadow]

pls

jesus

pls

give me my fucking conduits

[raw summit]

🙏

[sharp meteor]

hope that's in 3s

oh it's in 2s

you absolute sadist

[sand shadow]

got it folks

dont q 2s

I have 0 tier sets on this warrior

and i'm fighting people w/ 2pc and 4pc

about 60% of the time

its so ridiculously unfair

[mystic barn]

oh you only need 2.4 for conduits?

not glad?

[undone pumice]

elite

[sand shadow]

ya elite

btw i was forced to "innovate"

and in 2s

id strongly recommend playing more double time

troll as it sounds

tho i play w/ hpala so mb that had something to do w/ it

[sharp meteor]

UP

TIME

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, they changed it from glad to elite.

[mystic barn]

oh sick

Also bless your soul going to 2.4 in 2s rn with all the cringe going on in that bracket currently

[mortal wyvern]

2.4now is like 3.6 lol

[sharp meteor]

There is a bit of, uh, I wouldn't say bottleneck but I'm sure the usual mid glad crowd hasn't quite made their push yet, so there's a decent chunk of the high glad or r1 teams around 2300-2400 rn

2s is weird because there's so many rat survs/assas or w/e who have tier and just statcheck people

and unless they run it down super hard it's rough

[raw summit]

should we be buying anything with conq this week or wait for box and then get smth big?

[undone pumice]

maybe small pieces like neck

[low remnant]

Guys on pvp is arms necrolord the way to go?

[sand shadow]

max ilvl conduits are actually no joke, the upgrades from my old ones on my 2nd warr are actually pretty significant

Mortal Combo 19->22

Stawlwart Guardian 38->44 sec CDR

Overpower: 16.2 -> 19.8%

Safeguard: 16->20% DR

Necrobanner str: 19->22%

Ignore Pain: 10.6 -> 13.2%

all together, that's quite a signifcant buff dude

[lucid walrus]

conduits feel great when maxed yeah

very much noticed it on my one war that was running the 200 BoA ones from korthia vs uh

maxed/empowered 252s

[sand shadow]

point is, this is another layer of defacto gear

so you suffer on alts

[sharp meteor]

Dreaded the prospect of playing alt warr last season with shitcan 200 conduits but it felt fineish.

[sand shadow]

this is such a serious buff to my output and def its crazy

[sharp meteor]

What sucks now is tier and being behind on vault.

[sand shadow]

by just clicking an item

[sharp meteor]

Plus being ahead on economy with weapon from vault.

I know so many people just afk around rival or duelist because they got fuck-all from their vaults

at the very least on their alts

[sand shadow]

high MMR arena atm on Eu

is 60% at least

tier set people

at least 2pc

[lucid walrus]

i would've much rather we got stalwart gutted than d btw

[sand shadow]

and in some cases, 2pc is > 4pc

[lucid walrus]

that or IP

[sand shadow]

its really horrible

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I have 2pc and neither of my teammates have any, so I wouldn't say we're hitting a wall but like

I kind of want to just get condutis then afk a few weeks before wins

[sand shadow]

me and my hpala friend both have exactly 0 tier

on these alts

[sharp meteor]

hope they don't want to sweat it out asap

[sand shadow]

and on mains, we have 1set

I mean

[sharp meteor]

Cringe catalyst shit needs to open on Tuesday

[sand shadow]

1 set item

[lucid walrus]

honestly

[sharp meteor]

they're already gating it by 1 a week

just open it now

ffs

hitler devs

[sand shadow]

been saying for ages, week 8 will feel DOGSHIT

because so many people will NOT get lucky w/ Vaults

and even if you do actually

it's so terrible for the spirit of other PvPers

when you're flexxing 4pc

and they're sitting with none

even if theirs is dogshit, and yours is godlike

btw, of all the tier sets I saw in 2v2

all the specs

[sharp meteor]

Yeah get fucked idiot enjoy being at a debilitating disadvantage for x more weeks due to rng rofl

[sand shadow]

assa is on an absolutely another level

nothing comes close

[sharp meteor]

Go run normal raid and PRAY idiot

[sand shadow]

to how absolutely, massively, stupidly, broken it is

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, Assa actually insane.

Tedious.

[sand shadow]

I had a game, I kid you not

vs a guy, who kept doing the same thing

he'd smoke bomb and then KS me

every time

so he vendetta'd me

bombed

I parried the KS

popped SR and IP

and my hp was melting through healing

in parry + D + IP + SR, w/o the assa actually hitting me

just from the dots

[lucid walrus]

oh yeah

there's a vod from awc of druids melting through bear. nothing can save em

[sand shadow]

I think next up on the foodchain

is prolly survival/DH

then fury

or about the same, I might be underestimating fury because I know how it works so I can defend better

[raw summit]

People dont respect the damage outside of reck

[sharp meteor]

i mean it's just immense sustain if they give you uptime

spriest gets their little head caved in with raw dps

[raw summit]

Ive been facing rets that have been doing nothing but wog'ing self and inevitably dying to 2nd Banner reck

[sharp meteor]

also i want 4pc so i can terrorize people with prot

[raw summit]

I got 4p rn

[sharp meteor]

finna q with a nf paladin

[raw summit]

I hope ill sneak the fury into raid next week

Yo rl we need a battle shout, can i?

MW healer for fury feels good

Because they all swarm around you and he doesnt get touched

Compared to when we were mw Arms

[sand shadow]

the reason Fury becomes to threatening w/ tier

is the uptime on 8stacks

literally

everything else ca nbe handled

yes, it does very, very high damage in PvP

but that's not exactly new

a DH does even more

it's the ability to chain 8stacks

that tips people over

[raw summit]

My 2p Rat already feels illegally good

[sharp meteor]

yeah queue into a fury with 4pc and it's like bro look at his dam

[sand shadow]

I am literally leaping away to reset stacks

[sharp meteor]

then he just fucking explodes

[sand shadow]

stunning to reset stacks

etc

[sharp meteor]

yeah cycle stops to disrupt stacks and their fury gen in general

nobody knows what fury does

[sand shadow]

problem is, a fury warr can mirro what I can do

but I swear, as ARms

Fury feels SO vulnerable

idk, will have to wait to see if it'll really be a contender for 3s

I am critting them for billions

[sharp meteor]

actually haven't lost to a fury yet but haven't seen too many

they just explode

[raw summit]

S2 i was like imma eat this fury but now im not even sure if i can

[sand shadow]

I met a pretty decent one w/ 4pc set a number of times myself

the guy Trillebartom often plays w/

he's pretty good

and won him I think every time, but it was super scary

every time

and I had the advantage of 2xBoP

(which were instantly purged, but still)

[sharp meteor]

yeah hate warr mirrors when it's like bop all my shit off

[sand shadow]

at least removes the 8stacks

[undone pumice]

phil

what happened to bedge

[raw summit]

Headache

[undone pumice]

oof

[raw summit]

And whaaz stream

He's streaming fury

[sand shadow]

I am too

[undone pumice]

whaaz

[raw summit]

Tryna learn

[sand shadow]

this is a fake stream

do not expect

to do similar shit

he's playing w/ Zen

likely the #2 world hpriest (at least in 2s)

that is playing boon

[raw summit]

Obv advantage

[sand shadow]

look at the details rn

boon is

BUSTED

look at details

whaaz 200k

zen 170k

[sharp meteor]

rly good expansion to be a priest

[lucid walrus]

we've just been doing in house rbgs for vault and it's so funny how squish fury feels

makes me glad i haven't caved yet

[sharp meteor]

thinkin about s1 where every priest wailed about playing sephuz

[raw summit]

He calls to go offensive defensive p well

Id pref trille fury but whaaz is nice to watch too

[sharp meteor]

this patch is weird you can kind of feign how durable you are by swinging into people mega hard

[sand shadow]

hence why I spent most of my last 40 2v2 arenas

[sharp meteor]

just don't fall behind or you'll be in ruins lmao

[sand shadow]

playing double time

[sharp meteor]

max gas pedal

smash their head in

[sand shadow]

not for the uptime

for the damage

[raw summit]

The matches i had everything but hunt didnt do any damage because they tried to live

[sand shadow]

most games Warbringer was ~10% of my damage

you can really feel it

[sharp meteor]

yeah 2s is just statcheck

[sand shadow]

try it guys

not even trolling

[undone pumice]

how do u watch whaaz stream with sound

[sharp meteor]

max efficiency

[undone pumice]

literally how

[sharp meteor]

i was trying to figure a way to slot in shadow

but was trying warbringer

double time

and it felt nice

no bolt just dam

[sand shadow]

yes

[raw summit]

I played ra with warb + ds into BM hunt

[sand shadow]

its the key rn

so often it feels like

[raw summit]

Couldnt really reach

[sand shadow]

just 5k more damage and I'd achieve an objective

like get a CD

force sth

[raw summit]

Opinions on ra vs am?

[sand shadow]

during CDs, I sometimes even dbl charge

scariest furies vs me played RA btw

i've only played like 20 fury arenas tho

[raw summit]

RA defo gains at 4p

[sand shadow]

both do

AM does too

reck procs, double rage gen, more rage spent, more AM CDR

I think the thing w/ RA in arena is

w/ 4pc

it has such high uptime

and as fury you actually hate pressing hamstring

or even howl

[raw summit]

In pve if you go for dam

It's ra once 2p

[sand shadow]

so the free mobility is insane

oh, could be yea

[sharp meteor]

hate pressing anything that isn't dam

[raw summit]

^

[sharp meteor]

u wanna setup to dmg bot one guy

no hamstring no piercing no ip

IDEALLY

[sand shadow]

my theory was that 8stack is the most important part of Fury

[sharp meteor]

you ofc have to press

[sand shadow]

AM gives more Reck, more reck means more rampage, meaning more 8stack

[sharp meteor]

but ideal situation is afk pve dps a guy that isn't moving

[sand shadow]

but it might be wrong

[raw summit]

Im so happy i mained fury last Patch in pve

Everything directly translates into pvp

Do pve rotation

Win

[sharp meteor]

idk how to slot whirlwinds in

i need to hit dummies more

[undone pumice]

fury pve rotation hasnt changed since bfa at least

[raw summit]

Before Rampages

Only imo

[sharp meteor]

that's what i have been doing, or as bottom option filler

[sand shadow]

don't WW at all

unles ST

[sharp meteor]

rly

hm

[sand shadow]

you only WW ST

[raw summit]

Theoretically Max cleave is wwing every 2

[sand shadow]

if no BT/RB/Exe/Ramp

[undone pumice]

ur forced to ww

[sharp meteor]

oh it's the stacking thing hm

[sand shadow]

no, you can't do that

in pvp

[sharp meteor]

yeah as filler but then it messes with stacking stuff

[sand shadow]

you have Frenzy

and battle trance

[sharp meteor]

yer

[raw summit]

Cleaving it doesnt eat frenzy

P sure

[sand shadow]

both go byebye if you RB/Rampage a diff target

[undone pumice]

battle trance is still bugged btw

[sand shadow]

and WW cleave counts

[raw summit]

As long as same main target

[sharp meteor]

Are you sure?

I need to go test that.

[sand shadow]

oh

[raw summit]

Frenzy 100% doesnt drop

[sand shadow]

idk, haven't actually tested it?

that's cool then

[undone pumice]

battle trance doesnt work during reckless if running reck abandon

[sand shadow]

still, I doubt you'll have much of a downtime w/ 2pc

[raw summit]

Check before though

[undone pumice]

with 2pc

[sand shadow]

in PvP at least

[raw summit]

My 100% for sure is like 80% in the end

[undone pumice]

u will never

need to whirlwind in ST

[raw summit]

Ye 2p is good

3p rb means no filler ww

Ever

[undone pumice]

yea

[raw summit]

I got 265 hns from m+ so huge resets inc

[sand shadow]

a what

[sharp meteor]

a 265 what now

[raw summit]

The conduit

That gives rb when ramp

[sharp meteor]

oh the thing

[raw summit]

Hack n Slash

[sand shadow]

man, I so respect and enjoy watchin Whazz, but the RMP propaganda

its rough

[sharp meteor]

They live in their own reality.

[sand shadow]

"Jungle is so broken" can literally be translated to mean "RMP doesn't necessarily win that comp, therefore it's broken"

god forbid RMP has a hard matchup

[sharp meteor]

RMP actually just feels like twiddling your thumbs and hoping that they fuck up for most comps.

Oh sick they threw their go into a pre-wall or banner we live another dr

[sand shadow]

and btw, unlike most people, I don't think what RMP needs to do to score kills is ezmode

I think shit like retwarr is objectively a much easier comp to execute properly

[sharp meteor]

They live too long and hpriest kit dumbs the comp down.

[sand shadow]

in terms of timing requirements, team synergy, etc

[sharp meteor]

Spacing vs sub doesn't even help if he only needs to stun one person.

[sand shadow]

I think the biggest issue w/ RMP is their near immortality

[sharp meteor]

They do their epic countdown and reliably cross the whole team unless one of them spaces out

[sand shadow]

if they did what they do rn

but were "glass cannon comp"

[sharp meteor]

YEs, they live too fucking long.

[sand shadow]

I think people would be fine

you have insane burst, insane control, but if you don't execute a kill in X comps, you probably lose

[sharp meteor]

Making a mistake and dying instantly vs rm is fine if the comp is fragile, but it isn't, it's one of the most durable, which is stupid

[sand shadow]

rn, RMP is among the tankiest comps

[sharp meteor]

and it's balanced by rat league rmps failing to count down from 3

[sand shadow]

indirectly

[sharp meteor]

chastise>fear, db>sheep, stun kill

off dr until game ends

[sand shadow]

i'm sure it's more complex than that at high mmr

problem is

its not like the people you're facing are bad/stupid

it just so quickly gets to a point where you've extracted every single CD they have to live

[raw summit]

I only beat rm in 2s if they dont cc enough for rogue to get a re

[sand shadow]

and you get to a point where you just have nothing more to trade and just die

[sharp meteor]

Or they force extra shit by accident because they do so much damage

whoopsie 19k holy fire teehee

[upbeat sapphire]

Worth spending Conq on wep? I haven’t vaulted on my war this patch so way behind & 0p so can always wait to see how vault goes but need to start somewhere

[sand shadow]

always worth, unless you get lucky 🙂

a non-answer, because that question has no rational answer

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, of course. Maybe wait one more vault but really just grab it whenever.

I knew a guy who refused to buy it and he ended up buying it last.

Because he never got it from his box.

It's (for the conquest you spend) the biggest upgrade.

Like if you put that conq into 2-3 other pieces you'd get less gain

so wep asap

[raw summit]

I just got it

If i ever get 2 it's fury stonks ig

[sharp meteor]

I got mine in week 1 box so those queues were funny

just beat peoples heads in instantly through cds

[upbeat sapphire]

Phew. Reassurance I was looking for. As long as the answer wasn’t “just wait for vault n00b” I probably would’ve done it anyway

[sharp meteor]

At most wait for this coming reset, then buy

It sucks to get a second but you could always use for fury

[sand shadow]

it's really the answer to so many vault questions rn as pvpers

[sharp meteor]

or jsut grab another piece, or coins

[sand shadow]

unity where

get this or that

its all based on luck

you can't know

what is good 1 item ahead

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, no definitive answer for some stuff plus your gold becomes a factor, along with luck

[sand shadow]

might end up being bad 5 items into the future

[sharp meteor]

Idk it's just you gotta play the hand you're dealt

[sand shadow]

so yeah, I just said fuck it

and pick whatever seems the most reasonable

w/o going into overdrive

[sharp meteor]

yeah it won't matter eventually anyways

[sand shadow]

i'll either get lucky or not

and in a month it wont matter

so thats reassurign

annoying, but reassuring

so far, i've not been getting lucky 😡

actually, im 277 pvp so I guess I was pretty decently lucky

but no tier

[upbeat sapphire]

Tiers the one thing we can’t buy yet anyway so may as well hope for that in vault instead

[sharp meteor]

Oh, nice, I'm only 275

[sand shadow]

that warr got 2h wep tho

[sharp meteor]

But 2pc, Duelist helm then Normal legs.

[sand shadow]

the other that didn't is like 274 i think

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I took second 2h from next weeks box

I could've grabbed crit shoulders or something.

[elder wigeon]

my fury warrior has two weapons rn lmao

[sharp meteor]

Yerrr.

[elder wigeon]

i still don't like fury

more frustrating than fun

[sharp meteor]

It feels like a PvE spec.

[elder wigeon]

that's all you do

brain dead damage

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, that's all you want to do in PvP.

Actually just turret into one guy with as few globals spent on hamstring/piercing as possible.

[elder wigeon]

it's really not fun, fury is for warriors that larp as a dh

[sharp meteor]

Whereas Arms has that bit of downtime so it doesn't sting to use ip/string/piercing.

also rip my hands

[elder wigeon]

I enjoy the bigger meatier hits of arms

[sharp meteor]

34% haste

[elder wigeon]

I also enjoy the arms aesthetic

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, big chunky mortal strike or execute in a spear/conq.

[raw summit]

Fury has a nice pace to it

[sharp meteor]

I haven't found a fury mog that I like.

[sand shadow]

Fury is dogshit

please, please

[raw summit]

But Arms has more globals for stuns n shit

[sharp meteor]

The big meme 2 2hs just feels kind of meme.

[sand shadow]

let it not be meta

[elder wigeon]

yeah it's pace is giving yourself cubital/carpal tunnel at the ripe age of 24

[sharp meteor]

Actually tho lmao

[raw summit]

You guys arent even playing fury with ows

[sharp meteor]

I remember nearly fucking up my hands in Cata

[raw summit]

It gets worse

[sharp meteor]

and realizing that I can't play high apm specs for a long period of time

[elder wigeon]

I can't handle it for that long

[upbeat sapphire]

Arms WF Mythic Jailer. Save your knuckles

[sharp meteor]

Mortal Strike coming in clutch.

[raw summit]

I reliably global capped in lust in raid in s2

[elder wigeon]

this game is not worth surgery lmao

[raw summit]

I just hope it doesnt end up fucking my hands

So far it's fine

[elder wigeon]

doesn't matter, comes out of nowhere

it's either fine or it's not

[raw summit]

Also means enha is off the table for all of us

They are equally spammy (pve at least)

[sharp meteor]

It'll flare up suddenly.

I recommend taking it easy, breaks, doing some hand exercises, etc.

Or just spending more time on low apm specs.

[raw summit]

Ive been raiding on fdk which is fairly chill

And then arm obv

Probably on the safe side

For now

[sand shadow]

dude

just dont be a pussy

you'll be fine

sMORC

[raw summit]

Do we think fury stays DM or is there any chance for Signet

[sharp meteor]

Thinkin about all the fellas who think they can rough their way through physical activities without fucking up their back/knees

[sand shadow]

twas a stupid joke 🙂

fuck Signet tho

[sharp meteor]

Ya of course

[sharp meteor]

Idk I dislike signet

I think Mud said he was playing it

I'm not sure how it'd slot in

[raw summit]

Bs procs felt better in s2

[sand shadow]

I have beef w/ Signet since Dentarhius and it never proccing BS when I wanted it on P1

while my nemesis got BS every time

[elder wigeon]

I think DM is better than signet, but if you're playing tsg signet is probably better

and that's what mud is playing, tsg that is

[sharp meteor]

i only play turb so seemed like dm plus bolt was the play most if not every game

[raw summit]

I wanna try IV but no stun so weird

[sharp meteor]

yeah i griefed my poor sham with no stun for a few games lmao

[elder wigeon]

i want to like fury but I can't. I'd rather play another class than arms

[sand shadow]

@sharp meteor wdym

[sharp meteor]

like I like it if I can dmgbot a target but that isn't every game and I'm so used to arms

[sand shadow]

stun totem dude

shamans are crybabies

[sharp meteor]

they keel it instantly

[sand shadow]

[sharp meteor]

his head breaks

im like wow my healing is so high

hes like AAAA

then again i wasn't even stringing in some of those games

im like haha look 8k dps and 4k hps

and he's waddling at them

with crippling on him

[sand shadow]

tell him

"that's a you problem"

and watch the fireworks

[sharp meteor]

hey buddy gonna need u

to not get kited

CHAMP

[sand shadow]

"dude, imagine getting kited as an enh in 2k22"

"I meaaaaan <silence>"

[sharp meteor]

go feral lunge pusssssy

[raw summit]

Lunge so fun

[lucid walrus]

rbgs are so funny man

friend of mine is getting rage /w'd from some boomer dk on the other team abt how arenas are too hard and glads shouldn't be able to q rbgs without their own bracket

[sharp meteor]

pov you joined a 1380 cr yolo vault group

because rbgs only purpose

is fast vault gainz

[lucid walrus]

unironically

[sharp meteor]

if it were soloq that might b chill but current rbgs are so cringe

[lucid walrus]

agreed

[sharp meteor]

trapping is a meme

i was in physical pain for that poor warr

[runic galleon]

is battle trance necessary ?

[sharp meteor]

I think that it's the most flexible of the trio.

Least mandatory, rather.

[elder wigeon]

Slaughterhouse and enduring rage are pretty much non-negotiable

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[radiant oasis]

I pass on enduring frequently

But I've been playing 2s

And bloodrage feels mandatory there

[sharp meteor]

I feel like you pass on Trance rather than Enduring.

[near delta]

Finally giving arms another go in 2s and it feels so much better with the 2 set

Hunters still suck tho

[indigo barn]

Just played against a uhdk and killed all of his pets in 5 seconds

No pressure easy

[spice hornet]

Any hunter that feigns your charge is Insta trouble tho

[near delta]

Jesus fucking christ lol

Played against a boomie with that trinket where you just cant cc them

Killed his healer had him at 30%

Pops his I win trinket and I just die

Through aegis and big rally

Guess you just gotta do 3 of charge/stormbolt/pummel/fear

[vital pagoda]

I'd say enduring,bt & slaughter are cookie cutter.

I only switch out if I go 35% exe and rootcharge for some rogue/rdruid comps where I can't always stick to target.

But then again if we were to talk about let's say u need disarm I'd switch out enduring first cuz survivability from bt tops over the extended enrages. With am and tierset u will be recking enough to be always on enrage anyway.

Also meme kyrian < Chad Necro

[elder wigeon]

you lose a lot of dmg from not taking enduring rage

[vital pagoda]

Can't do dmg when dead.

[elder wigeon]

reroll

[vital pagoda]

Fury bis

Tough imagine if we had limb

[elder wigeon]

fury def not bis

[clear ibex]

How do you heal so much :D

[mystic barn]

fury bis

[tribal shale]

+double leggo+ + =

far from bis tho

[warped warren]

[lucid walrus]

=

[vital pagoda]

+ + =

[warped warren]

[vital pagoda]

=

[elder wigeon]

fury is for people who wanna larp as a dh

[near delta]

What do yall think of vs ?

[uneven hemlock]

Spear miss or bug out equates to big sad, banner make you do big dam.

But if spear doesn't miss or bug out equates to large dam.

[quaint snow]

GIGACHADS =

=

[vital pagoda]

Also fury really likes Necro shield and oozeling

Can't go wrong

DBS to fury pls

[radiant hamlet]

https://youtu.be/5rHXfCydURU

[vital pagoda]

https://youtu.be/8kMnBDqXPwk

This guy is Walmart Tyler1

😂

[vital pagoda]

Where's the +5% all dmg like dks

FK sake now they really do everything better

[candid veldt]

5% ignore pain > 5% increased dmg

[radiant oasis]

that's only prot no?

[steep inlet]

No

[frank knoll]

Happy about the ele buffs

[last prairie]

that change just makes the shield expire faster right doesn't really buff IP

[frank knoll]

Apparently guardian Druids are an issue in arena now? Hearing about them doing mad damage with the set and out healing healers

[candid veldt]

something something 4set

[sharp meteor]

4pc radiates a ton of dam. Not sure if it synergizes with hysteria but basically they go for super scary opener and just lose if it doesn't work.

[raw summit]

It's cosmic dam so fwiw you can aegis it

[fickle forge]

IP buff doesn't really matter at all

Still the same absorb

[undone pumice]

it changes nothing fr

[sharp meteor]

Absorb size is the same, it just gets consumed a little faster. If anything it's a nerf to the conduit.

because you have a slightly reduced amount of time to stack it up before it's absorbed.

[undone pumice]

they nerfed warrior again

[fickle forge]

I mean

It might save you 🤷

Probably saves you more than what the conduit would

[sand shadow]

also significantly lowered Warpaint uptime too

esp w/ 2pc, the only time Enrage would drop is when you're CC'd essentially

[clear ibex]

Is a maxed out honor weapon with vers better than a 275 weapon with no vers ?

[tough compass]

@clear ibex Idk what iLvL the Honor Weapon is in PvP but Assuming 275 is higher, yes defo the 275 weapon

[clear ibex]

Would be 259 in pvp

[tough compass]

Ye then defo the 275 one

[clear ibex]

kk

then I guess I will save conquest for weapon

[sand shadow]

always choose the better whacking stick™️

[sharp meteor]

Bigger stick good.

Bonk tiny magic or sneak man.

[undone pumice]

[novel basalt]

Dudes how do we get into a raiding guild for tiet set

tier*

[undone pumice]

u dont or u go spam trade chat

[novel basalt]

Im loosing my mind applying to teams its like a formal job application

[undone pumice]

just dont raid then

[wheat jay]

just apply to pug

or

make a group yourself

lmao

[undone pumice]

he wants a guild not a pug i think

[wheat jay]

well

wowprogress.com

[sharp meteor]

go get sweaty arena rating and/or keystone score then app to guild

skip some of the stepping stone tier revolving door guilds

[undone pumice]

when u need to be good to be good

[scarlet crown]

so im kinda clueless on what's the best plan on action for legendaries now. With the unity belt we get. Should i craft painbringer helm or painbringer waist and replace the unity belt

[undone pumice]

eb waist

unity wrist

once u have all tier items u can recraft unity on chest/legs

[scarlet crown]

aight, thanks

so, im guessing unity wrists are just as expensive as the waist in price? Should go EB waist first then right?

ah, i have to be revered for that too

[tulip sail]

So ive just decided to roll warrior this season, is necrolord fury the new meta or just something that can be played?

[undone pumice]

meta is anything except prot, nightfae, and venthyr arms

[sharp meteor]

Prot could be fine with tier.

Although if it is I wouldn't count on it sticking around.

[undone pumice]

its not a pvp spec

if ur playing prot ur not playing to win

[sharp meteor]

Thinking about Legion when people told me Prot was trolling when I said that it seemed like it had potential.

Although in this case I guess it really is all in the tier, lel

[full quiver]

do i make signet or deathmaker on second fury war

thinking signet since i don't have leggo power for deathmaker anyways lmao

[undone pumice]

stablr phantasma lure

[sand shadow]

@full quiver I think the current thinking overall is that Signet is probably worse except into some specific stuff

Keep in mind that Fury is wholly unexplored atm

TR play is not ladder play, 99.99% of the population doesn't have Tier set, we're still not fully geared, PvP tuning is expected soon, etc. etc.

[full quiver]

i'll just make 210 signet for 400 then lol

[sand shadow]

I doubt anyone has spent any significant time testing all the covenants as Fury too

[raw summit]

apparently venthyr with the stone man where u get dr <35(?)% is decent

idk man theres a lotta shit

venthyr also is a lotta reck

[sand shadow]

sure, but that was a great soulbind as Arms in S1 too

I played it all the time

[raw summit]

and condemn still hurts

[sand shadow]

my biggest questionmark for Condemn Fury is GCD blockage

If I am right in my assumption that adding Condemn into the rotation, especially since it's such a high priority keybind that you want to press on CD essentially, will block your uptime on RB

[raw summit]

ye also condemn favours massacre over frenzy

which cost dam outside of condemn window

[sand shadow]

Then the Tier set will suffer in relative terms to other Covenants, where that GCD blockage will not exist

[raw summit]

so once ur at like 75% ur safer than at 90

[sand shadow]

and so will Condemn

Since RB gets such a crazy synergy when you think about it: it procs battle trance, it procs Enduring Rage, it's buffed by Cruelty, it's buffed by 2pc and 4pc Tier set

[raw summit]

condemn obv big into plate but i felt like armour hasnt mattered much

[sand shadow]

is your strongest builder that gives 12/24 Rage

[raw summit]

ye also if we spend it we get it back with the conduit

[sand shadow]

that, too

[raw summit]

so if we dont use it we might overcap

[sand shadow]

and it also has a very high proc chance too

to refresh a charge I mean

[raw summit]

ye the 20% to refund

is big

[sand shadow]

So you'll be swimming in RB in Arena

Frankly, might be that even non-Venthyr struggles to efficiently extract the max value of it

[raw summit]

ye i felt like my idk 25ish haste was too low

need MOAR

[sand shadow]

on the other hand, Condemn fills another important part of why FUry might be meta this season: rage gen

which builds Rampages, which ensures 8stack Slaughterhouse

But it might be we don't even need it

🤷

[raw summit]

kyr is an insta rampage too

and nf idk

not worth now

[sand shadow]

Condemn also has a defensive portion

it's not on the level of Arms IP, but it appears to be about 60%

It's not as strong as well, ofc, since it aborbs damage from just the target you're hitting

[raw summit]

i dont have the renown on it yet but ill try get it up over the weeks

[sand shadow]

Too early to call, in conclusion 😄

[raw summit]

yup

time to try em all

[sand shadow]

Though I guess people coming here for advicee often just want a straight, 1 sentence max answer 🤷

craft unity wher

[raw summit]

where unity guise

[sand shadow]

that too is fucking impossible to answer properly

if you care about min-maxing, that is

[raw summit]

i think the best answer is try em all and go with what works for u

[sand shadow]

I think that's a very unsatisfactory answer, though, especially if you're a relative newbie to PvP/Warrior

[raw summit]

then id say necro because the shield helps actually get into the game without being onetap'd

[subtle tendon]

Greetings, what can i do to deal with alle the rdruids and hunters in 2v2? Im necro arms warrior

[sand shadow]

YOu could cry

[raw summit]

or be kyr

[sand shadow]

Kyrian is such bait for 2s atm imo

@subtle tendon what are you playing with?

[subtle tendon]

Rhsam

[sand shadow]

oh

that's good dude

or hmmm

[raw summit]

care to explain, rly curious why u think so

[sand shadow]

I'd suggest playing Double Time w/ Warbringer, Sharpen, DS or WB

[subtle tendon]

We r premade but it feels impssobile to deal with them

[sand shadow]

Instruct your rsham to play really aggressively in the opener

Pop absolutely everything once the preHoTs are over

elemental, etc

[subtle tendon]

Should i allways try to kill hunter?

[sand shadow]

spam purge the hots

You must open on him, you have no say in that matter

Try to get OG + what was it called

Cenarion thingie

Once you get it, INSTA swap hard on Rdruid

Most openers like these, I get even turtle sometimes

Plus bark+sac+OG+NS sometimes

once Rdruid stabilizes and you see a kill is probably not happening

you go hunter again

his HoTs should be about over then

you need to force the rdudu to heal both himself and hunter

if he's spam healing one target you will lose

problem is how you live, really

your rsham needs to be a god w/ traps

because rshams are terrible at catching up on healing

[subtle tendon]

How can we deal with the traps?

[sand shadow]

and if you're 30% all the time, you'll prolly not play aggressive

[subtle tendon]

Its like pet stun into trap all time and its gg

[sand shadow]

what MMR is this?

[subtle tendon]

1700-1800

[sand shadow]

Easiest way is to play the Echoing Resolve piss

[sharp meteor]

Intim is 60s cd

[sand shadow]

at your MMR, they wont be able to outplay it

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[sand shadow]

and they only have a way to outplay it once every 1min

[sharp meteor]

Most won't even notice it tbh

[sand shadow]

Stun -> door -> trap

thats what I do on my alt hunter

but door is relatively long CD

but at your MMR, people will not be experienced enough to think on the fly I think

so they will choke

[sand shadow]

he also has grounding, fleshcraft etc

but Echoing will work vs both BM and Surv

surv hook procs it

Surv is overall much harder to deal w/ trapwise

they have more to proc it

their kick is also very low-value

so they can kick to remove the resolve

[subtle tendon]

Allright so he should hold onto his necroshield for counter trap/stun ?

[sand shadow]

yeah ofcourse

if they go him, then you don't really care about traps as much

[subtle tendon]

Allright sounds like a game plan will try it in the next gaming session 🤝🏻

[sand shadow]

but make sure he's purging

purging is fucking broken in SL

[subtle tendon]

Thank you @sand shadow

[sand shadow]

problem w/ rsham is he barely has the globals for it

but it costs nothing mana wise these days

[subtle tendon]

Yee if we have a kill window he allways prugess for sure

[sand shadow]

rshams need to be constantly casting instants to not fall behind, because falling behind is incredibly hard to recover from for him

especially if you're doing swaps and rdudu has no overgrowth

and you're healthy

he can purge every hot as it is being applied

HoT -> Purge -> Hot -> Purge

[sand shadow]

I tried it last night after struggling w/ Necro in a really shit loss streak

It's really, really bad in 2v2 atm

because 90% of the teams you meet have trivial buttons to get out of it

[subtle tendon]

So kyrian is better? I have rhe feeling every dude can get out of the spears..

[sand shadow]

Kyrian absolutely is not better overall

Kyrian is absolutely better into some specific stuff

If you're good w/ keeping track vs hunter/rdudu for example

[subtle tendon]

What is the best for 2s would u say?

[sand shadow]

it can be massive

Necro for sure overall atm

[subtle tendon]

Allright

[raw summit]

necro feels like it does the eb pressure game really well

[sand shadow]

just keep in mind warrior is realistically C-Tier rn in 2v2

[raw summit]

off topic, but awc maro playing kyr fury

[sand shadow]

this is not alarmist talk or exageration

[subtle tendon]

Uff okay didnt knew that

[sand shadow]

its real

[raw summit]

c stands for copium

[sand shadow]

do you have tier at least?

you need every last piece of advantage rn

[subtle tendon]

What would u say ist stronger than in 3s turbo or ret/warruor?

[raw summit]

arm 2p feels really good 🤤

[subtle tendon]

Got 3 pieces

[sand shadow]

Arms tier is good

but nothing special

I'm more interested in the 4pc tbh

I think that one might be really good

[raw summit]

if we had old dstance our tier would be immensely broken

[undone pumice]

so warrior is still A tier at least in 3s and c tier in 2s?

[subtle tendon]

Allright good to know thank you all foe the typs 👍

[undone pumice]

or is the dstance nerf truly devastating

[sand shadow]

yep @undone pumice

[undone pumice]

ah