pvp

[fickle forge]

That's okay though, Hpriest deserved the buffs

[thick reef]

Lol 50% wow

[frank knoll]

Rmx 😊

[fickle forge]

Gets better when you realise fire mage is going to perma smash you with the tier set

[north thicket]

Hey gamers, I resubbed for a month or two in order to reclaim my glorious Rival status! What could be a non-masochistic way to do that?

[frank knoll]

Ele shaman gonna be scary with their tier set too

[north thicket]

@warped warren You are happy with Fury right? Or I am reading wrong.

[fickle forge]

Rough time to do it at season start, but you can just jump in either 2s or 3s and grab it, whichever is easier for you to access

[north thicket]

Got it, thanks.

[thick reef]

With double leggo we play enduring blow and kyrian leggo right? What are best slots for crafting taking 4-set into account?

Head from tier has vers, so I guess you want enduring on belt. The you do kyrian leggo on legs or something? Tier slot without vers?

[warped warren]

its kinda fun atm tbh

[wet scarab]

normalize fury for pvp

[elfin surge]

nerf rmp

[dense dagger]

fury isnt that bad in pvp

an equal ilvl arms will smash it though

[fickle forge]

"Fury isn't bad, but its counterpart on equal footing beats it"

😎 👍

[dense dagger]

it does big dam, but arms has both parry and disarm to counter it

as well as mortal wound to counter their healing

[fickle forge]

If only fury had disarm and MS as well

[dense dagger]

but no dbts

[fickle forge]

Or PvP talent flexibility to even choose Disarm

[dense dagger]

they usually play disarm when I meet them

I queue with a holy priest hough

so they probably just switch off bloodrage

[fickle forge]

No Battle Trance then

Aka no healing

[full quiver]

Lol

[undone pumice]

idk man

3% healing

so tanky

[warped warren]

?

btw

[sharp meteor]

has anybody played with spark crafted piece yet

i spent about a half hour testing the heal one yesterday and it's useless

movement speed one seems good

[mystic barn]

Yea

It does ok damage if your are focused

I tried meme crafting 2 and equipping both to see if they proc individually (they don’t)

You can wear a 262 and 233 ilvl which is why i tried it

Want to say it’s about 2% of my dmg if I get focused

[sharp meteor]

queued into spriest and it was like 7% of their damage

[twilit ridge]

NEVER HAVE TO RBG AGAIN

[spice hornet]

rip no wep or tier pieces in vault

[sharp meteor]

gj buddy

3 slots on 3 warrs cmon sword

[wet scarab]

268 weapon and overwhelming power crystal

why wasn't this happening last season

[fickle forge]

[spice hornet]

miss that site

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

missin the ms paint thread

[twilit ridge]

❤️

[spice hornet]

my other warr got fucked even harder on vault

2 rings 1 gloves

[twilit ridge]

ITS MY BOY CHOPS GUILD

[frank knoll]

God I hope AWC isn’t boring af this year

[fickle forge]

AWC this year is fk'd now that half the roster is RIP

😎 👍

[frank knoll]

What the Russian teams you mean

[fickle forge]

No, the ban wave

[frank knoll]

Ohhh didn’t hear about that

I don’t want it to be full of Jungle and RMP though

[fickle forge]

I don't think banning people will change that though

Jungle is interesting to watch Imo

RMP, not so much

[frank knoll]

I just wanna see something new and cool

Let’s get some triangle formation wizards in there

[fickle forge]

You have horrible taste in what's interesting

[toxic compass]

weapon or gloves?

[fickle forge]

Sure can't wait for MLX mirrors to damp each other till 25 minutes

[sharp meteor]

second warr also got 2h

[wet scarab]

I have a question - so the tier sets work in pvp, but you don't get the set bonus if you buy the pvp items?

so you can basically only get tier bonus from raid gear?

the pvp items themselves don't have set bonuses?

[frank knoll]

I wanna see LSD and Shadowplay in AWC

[nimble jasper]

lsd is the definition of damp

[frank knoll]

I think damp is fun

Grinding someone down until they lose is fun

[nimble jasper]

thats pve

damp comps are essentially pve comps

[frank knoll]

Letsss goo

[sharp meteor]

dh and 2 warrs got wep gonna be a fun week

[red dagger]

so I lucked out with the wep - next purchase the cheap items?

[undone pumice]

875 pieces most likely

such as chest head and legs

[sharp meteor]

just split somebody in half so hard in solo shuffle that they alt f4'd

[red dagger]

thanks man - I hear cases for both

[clear pine]

Im not sure but I think you can "craft" tier sets. You need a normal base item like chest piece and then you can make it a tier item. Unlocked later in the expansion.

[wet scarab]

yeah but none of the conquest pieces intrinsically contribute to the pve set, right?

like you cant get a tier bonus by mixing pve and pvp items

[fierce elm]

Once you upgrade them they do

iirc

[clear pine]

Blizzard stated that you can get a tier set from ANY activity in the vault. If you buy them from vendor they are non tier set yes.

[fierce elm]

Its all the same tier set bonus

[clear pine]

^ what he says

[undone pumice]

so is it bis to do m+

[fierce elm]

to do all content

[sharp meteor]

hm

[formal summit]

are leggos gonna go EB-->belt and Cov-->ring?

[proud forge]

What is the top pvp trinket to grab for fury / arms warrior with the cosmic series

[wet scarab]

thanks! is there an ilvl after which they begin to give it?

[shut tangle]

yo whats the best cov for pvp now?

[sharp meteor]

kyrian or necro probably

[wet scarab]

what pieces are you guys buying this week if you already have a weapon?

[elder wigeon]

non tier set slots IMO

got the weapon

on two of 3 warriors lmao

[sharp meteor]

Grats. Glorious day.

[glass orchid]

havent seen tier pieces from pvp

at all

from 9 chars 3capped

shit must be bugged?

[undone pumice]

could just be unlucky

[sharp meteor]

Nah, my healer got tier on like

4 chars lmao

[nimble jasper]

this guy got it

so uhh it exists

[glass orchid]

gawd damn

its gonna be a awful few weeks when everyone else has tier set bonus and i dont

probably cap and log out for like 2 months rather than push rating

[undone pumice]

what if u get 3 pieces next lockout

[glass orchid]

😤 still a awful mechanic for the first 2 months of the season

[elder wigeon]

pretty true

it's actually hard to get tier set as a pvper

exclusive from the vault and not guaranteed every week

there's gonna be some lucky fuck in 3 weeks with 4 set

[glass orchid]

theres already some fuck with 4 piece set out there who raids normal and heroic

and would come into pvp and whoop everyones ass with like the 20% damage some classes get from tier bonuses

[sharp meteor]

the thing is that these people generally suck at pvp

it's usually just like

trill or something who comes in fucking stacked

but yeah people who raid and spam keys hardcore early on while also pushing rating are jacked

there's just so few of those

[undone pumice]

who

[glass orchid]

considering some have had 6 chances at it last week + 10 chances at it this week

plus great vault

[nimble jasper]

also pvp tier is higher

considering rival 2 is already 281 in pvp

[glass orchid]

yeah but you cant get every piece pvp can you

your stuck with 259 until it drops

[spice hornet]

they need to fix the fucking blur dodge

bug

[glass orchid]

lmao yeah blur is basically dbts but better and half the cd

[elder wigeon]

What’s the bug?

[spice hornet]

90% in pvp combat

[elder wigeon]

Is it?

It does feel significantly higher than darkness

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah it's uh

80% up from 50% dodge

in pvp

no idea why

can't find any documentation on it

[spice hornet]

i think it has something to do with

it used to be bugged in pvp combat and gave like no dodge

for w/e rreason

so the fix made it work again, but bugged it out and made it give more

[sharp meteor]

yeah idk what kind of spaghetti

because it's meant to be 50% dodge and 20% dam

and purple hair interns mess that up

now it's 93-94% in pvp

and been like that since

like a year now?

[nimble jasper]

theres a funny bug with halondrus in the raid

that you cant use shadowstep

cuz it counts you as mounted

interns all over the damn game

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[fickle forge]

Can we ban this man?

[elder wigeon]

No u

[full quiver]

oh sweet u got the new mog too

[wheat jay]

All I want is a double sided dildo weapon

Dont care that its wrong stats

Just want it

[near delta]

I cant wait to check my vault but I'm sure imma be pissed lol

[grizzled linden]

hoi hoi, which of the cosmic trinkets do we take? is there a clear best one?

[wheat jay]

Resonator i believe

[grizzled linden]

sounds nice with spear yeah

[sharp meteor]

reso sucks unless it's isolated

[grizzled linden]

which other do you recommend?

[sharp meteor]

probably aegis as an antimagic cd

[grizzled linden]

ok, ty

[nimble jasper]

you can have both

[gritty bough]

If fury are we aiming for weap or tier this weeks vault?

Tier no longer bis in arena so I read or is that wrong

[fickle forge]

Always weapon

[sharp meteor]

3 and a half weeks of conquest or tier HMMMMMMMM

[glass orchid]

tier

[atomic ingot]

Nerf arms

Ape spec must die

[lucid walrus]

true

[full quiver]

Why is @atomic ingot in here

Ret main

[nimble jasper]

ret mains

calling other specs ape

“so i pressed wings and the guy exploded insta”

“then i go on forums to complain my mobility sucks despite i can 1 shot from range as a melee”

[atomic ingot]

scooberz y did u quit wow

when your ape spec got a much needed nerf

[undone pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/can-we-ban-this-guy-gif-21304842

[full quiver]

Lol

[wet scarab]

Lol ret mains

[nimble jasper]

hey cant make fun of the disabled

thats un pc

[wet scarab]

I’m starting to see ret enh comps more because of the arms nerf and they’re pretty pathetic

[iron basalt]

tier set came in pvp vault -- do I choose that?

and are you guys running versa/crit or versa/haste?

[gritty bough]

rip no weap or tier, legs, neck or chest

without being flamed, havent been back long pvp, is fury running tier set? not sure if to get neck or chest :/

[wet scarab]

The fury tier set is pretty great but got a significant nerf last week

For necro esp

[iron basalt]

DO I TAKE THIS TIER PIECE OR WHAT

[raw summit]

show box

[lucid walrus]

post box

[spice hornet]

scereenshot

[iron basalt]

one sec

[spice hornet]

the tier

[iron basalt]

got crit/versa pvp gloves, tier gloves (crit mastery) and a belt I don't want

[spice hornet]

u will be putting enduring on belt

[iron basalt]

because the leggo will be on belt

[raw summit]

no point not to pick it idk

[spice hornet]

all tier has set stats. not all of them have vers no matter what eve nif you convert them to tier

[lucid walrus]

tier fs

wait no

that’s cooked

[spice hornet]

he wont be able to convert his pvp shit until april 12th

and he will only to be able to do 1 item anyway

so he should get the tier since its essentially rng for the next month if you don't raid

[lucid walrus]

didn’t read that the gloves were tier

[spice hornet]

ahh

the gloves and the chest have no vers

[lucid walrus]

my dumb ass thought belt was

[spice hornet]

so he can wear 4pc and wear pvp chest

since the leg stats are decent

[lucid walrus]

vers less important now at least

[spice hornet]

leg tier stats no vers but they are crit haste

chest and hands mastery heavy

[lucid walrus]

tough

[spice hornet]

which we dont care for

so 4 pc and wear either pvp hands or pvp chest

[hazy cosmos]

Kyrian Arms - the leaderboard arms are running a mix of crit/haste . In my chest I have a necklace that's haste vs with a proc of speed. Should I take that with the additional stats over a crit vers belt? Thoughts?

Or leggo is belt correct..? So take the necklace regardless?

[undone pumice]

leggo is belt

take neck

[elder wigeon]

you don't want unity on belt

[sharp meteor]

ya but that's the freebie one

[wet scarab]

Are you guys using whatever higher ilvl pieces you’re getting right now or just PvP gear from last tier

As in mythic and raid etc

[sharp meteor]

just pvp gear

mostly last seasons conq

but also grabbed this seasons honor sword and badge because haste is neat

[undone pumice]

eb on belt

[spice hornet]

why does banner now reduce disarm effect but relent does not lol

i think we are crafting unity on ring

so we do not have to worry

sicne EB is helm or waist, tier helm is vers heavy

[undone pumice]

yeah

so leggo is on belt

eb = leggo = belt

[spice hornet]

yes

[spice hornet]

go help my bud layer 9 choreghast carries

theyve updated the mobs in there

to be like zereth robot mobs

........

[pale minnow]

Bruh... u can solo it ez pz, dafuq is this cry here even?

Also he can do gauntlet, free soul ash + cinder + flux ez shit

[coral mango]

yo on human arms do you think both aegis and resonator could be viable?

just to be a huge meme

[glass orchid]

resonator seems dogshit now

everyone thats scared of it is running aegis

[coral mango]

I may do it for the ilvl bump

[lucid walrus]

if ilvl’s your chief reason i’d reconsider

[coral mango]

ye make sense prob just stay relentless on human

[brave rune]

FURY WARR HERE LOOKIN FOR SOME HALP.

What's the best cov to run now a days? I think Kyrian? But if not, would need help with a suggestion of another leggo.

Haste is at 18%, crit 14%, vers 37% currently.

[spice hornet]

CARRYINGF a friend

the new mobs hit harder

even on a 9

one of them htis you with a barrage that has no range limit

[spice hornet]

all the good furys are NL

[brave rune]

what legendary do you run with that?

[spice hornet]

they were all running signet still

[brave rune]

on finger?

with haste/vers?

[spice hornet]

yup

[brave rune]

I just feel like signet gives you no control.. so annoying

[spice hornet]

in pve it feels that way

but in pvp

its good to have those bladestorms

makes you unpeelable or ccable

[brave rune]

and conq banner just gives you mastery so whats the point?

[spice hornet]

but yeah the rng is annoying

faster move speed

unsnarealber

unsnareable

and the mastery is insane for your dk or ret partner

[pale minnow]

Fury feels tanky for some reason faced some in my games 2k mmr with max gear and they barely take dmg the dude was running double charge even

[brave rune]

think they're glass cannons tbh

unless your running impending victory on stun comps

[spice hornet]

with warpaint they are effectively equal to an arms warrior with dstance without the dmg penalty

and they can use their defensive while stunnned

not anymore

its 10%

lmao

[glass orchid]

i think NL is not gonna be as good once double leggos come

gonna have to be kyrian

8sec spear plus signet

or even venthyr

keep extending your reckless

[pale minnow]

What not anymore?

[spice hornet]

it got nerfed

[pale minnow]

What got nerfed?

[spice hornet]

d stance

[pale minnow]

I know about dstance

[spice hornet]

someone said ti was 20%

but they deleted their message

[pale minnow]

I thought u saying about fury

[spice hornet]

nah they were talkin bout arms

NL DH still does too much dmg

even w/o kyrian

[pale minnow]

Ye, but nerf arms

Rogue brokken noncounter play? No problem, nerf arms, problem solved

Convoke uninteruptable unccable? Yooo just nerf arms all gucci

[sharp meteor]

dude rmp is the best comp

buff it

dude aff gets no r1s

gut deathbolt

[spice hornet]

rogue mage is so effing broken dude

im dying 90-0 in kidneys no cooldowns from the r/m

[elder wigeon]

aff locks are deleting my entire aegis in 4 seconds flat lmao

this trinket does not do enough to keep you offensive, you have to run, even with aegis

[sharp meteor]

it actually can't be stopped except by maybe jungle

their biggest weakness is their own patience

mage just yolo trinkets outside of his bust when he isn't in danger because the game is almost 3 minutes in and he's bored

like rm is going to be strong forever but holy shit i wish it could actually die

[near delta]

When you make a perfect swap to the hprist then he just yeets into the fucking air and heals himself to full

[spice hornet]

afflic dmg is crazy high too

[sharp meteor]

and they can't die

[elder wigeon]

it's unreal damage

lock did 9K dps sustained in my last game

[sharp meteor]

feels actually troll hitting aff although it does shut down their UA dmg a bit

yeah LMAO

i need to figure something to play with my lock buddy because he is going to be in great shape

[elder wigeon]

I aegis'ed at full hp when lock popped soul, kept going with my cd's and 4 seconds later my health goes from 90-80-70-50-30 in 2 seconds

[sharp meteor]

actually unreal especially with PI

health bar just disappears

whole team just dead

[elder wigeon]

scary

[sharp meteor]

I'm still upset about the dstance nerf.

Havoc feels like a fraction of the effort now.

[spice hornet]

blur so broken

[wet scarab]

All of this could maybe be doable if priests didn’t have two charges of lay on hands on absurdly low cooldown

[sharp meteor]

It fries me seeing a 30% hp mage go to 100% with an instant cast while sharpend

like hello what

actually unreal how forgiving rmp is now

idc if i get snapped in half by their go if we fuck up but please just let them die

rmp shouldn't dampen

[wet scarab]

And he can do it again the next global!

Then reset its cd with apotheosis

Spam flash heals

Now he has serenity 6 times in a minute

[spice hornet]

just baffled how they havent nerfed them in anyway

even a small or retarded nerf

they know its a menace

and odn't care

[pale minnow]

1 or 2 blizz developer works on pvp rn and they probably rm mains

Or they don't even play the game just do dogshit nerfs that casual bob cries about on the forums

[sharp meteor]

1700 fire mage player that thinks the spec isn't tanky enough

[pale minnow]

Should tell blizz to nerf our dmg too, we deal too much dmg, warbraker should be 10% too

[fierce elm]

the mald

[pale minnow]

Only 4 meta classes can disarm but it's ok

Why not give rogues a fear too after the dismantle?

Oh wait

Cuz we got berserker

[tawny elm]

meh weapon in vault but it was the 2h mace

[pale minnow]

Take it dude dafuq

[tawny elm]

got belt with socket that tempts me

[pale minnow]

Delete this message

[tawny elm]

haha

[sly furnace]

So we can get tier items from pvp?

[scarlet barn]

yes

[sly furnace]

Will they have The same stats as pve? Or is it pvp stats?

[tawny elm]

if you get a non tier item on a tier item slot you should avoid taking it or?

[sly furnace]

There is a thing where u upgrade non tier items to tier? Once a week or?

[elder wigeon]

yes in the creation catalyst, but that won't be open for a while

[spice hornet]

its actually ridiculous that they got disarm back, literally can't touch a rogue for essentially 16 secs at a time (overpower dont hit too hard and there are charges) from dismantle/evasion alone. Not mentioning the time you spend stunned, DB'd, nova'd, poly'd,

[white briar]

I'd like to get in touch with someone who's 1) played a lot of solo shuffle (15+ matches), and 2) has combat logging enabled (or has otherwise recorded the solo shuffle outcomes). Probably not a huge number of people, but if anyone has or know anyone, hit me up.

[vast hollow]

could this be ok for pvp? does anybody know what's the duration?

[fickle forge]

If you don't find anyone, I might know someone

[balmy compass]

does anyone know if the weekly quest (4 mythic dungeons) can give you a set piece?

[magic plover]

best arms warrior double leggo for pvp?

if im playing dh.warr

any thoughts?

[sharp meteor]

enduring

[magic plover]

ty

also what do people think would be better

insignia or vers/mastery cloak from my box?

[raw summit]

haste vers socket tier helm

why cant my box be that good on the main

[elder wigeon]

wtf

lottery winner here

[raw summit]

I have no clue how ill get 2p

Since id have to raid

[thick reef]

Folks, just picked up warrior and have a quick question. If I take Unhinged does it stack with Blade of Destruction talent? Otherwise spear and BS dont line up until every 3rd spear. Is this correct? So, first spear we BS, 2nd spear we CS I guess, and 3rd Spear we BS again? Thanks.

[elder wigeon]

storm of destruction just reduces the CD of bladestorm by 33% and causes its damage to apply mortal wounds, there's nothing to stack, but yes, it will make your bladestorm 1 minute, and will line up with spear

[thick reef]

But should it be taken when you have unhinged which applies MS anyway? Is the 30s cd reduction that valuable that we take it regardless?

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't apply mortal wounds directly, it casts actual mortal strikes which does damage, you can take it, I personally wouldn't play unhinged as kyrian until double legendary is available

[magic plover]

wait is unhinged better double leggo than enduring?

[fierce elm]

probably not

[gusty zinc]

What are people thinking as far as set bonus's vs Versatility armor?

[elder wigeon]

it's much better

helm and shoulders are haste vers which is good, you'll probably want to avoid chest as tier set

[gusty zinc]

so then probably Enduring on waist and unity on ring for leggos?

[elder wigeon]

yup

doing it that way will let you have two gem slots (can't be farmed) and have double haste or double crit rings

[gusty zinc]

aah nice

thanks

[elder wigeon]

yup np

[thick reef]

so haste or crit as kyrian with enduring and elysian? Or is that more of a personal preference thing?

[elder wigeon]

half and half seems reasonable

I'd probably want >=12% haste

[thick reef]

Rip 130k gold - thought unhinged was the go to with Kyrian 🙈

[elder wigeon]

I'd probably run it

[raw summit]

it sounds fun

[elder wigeon]

not that often, but sometimes

[raw summit]

what matchups specifically?

[elder wigeon]

right now? probably DH DK, Turbo, Ret War, TSG

I don't think unhinged is good against melee caster comps like WMx or WLx and especially WPS

[raw summit]

so the melee matches rather

[elder wigeon]

and even then I don't know if I'd like unhinged into DK comps either, DK's can use AMS or death's advance to walk out of the spear so it's a bit tricky

[raw summit]

so into ww youd run it?

[elder wigeon]

probably not

enduring blow is just an incredible legendary for arms with tier set

it interacts with both 2 and 4 set

[raw summit]

So in the end we dont really ever go unhinged?

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't get extended, but it does have the damage amp from the 2 set and you get the increased tactician proc chance

I wouldn't say never, but it's very matchup specific and just depends on your own skill to pull it off in a clean way, if you can't get the sweeps on the mortal strikes, I genuinely think it's bad

[thick reef]

So for someone just looking to pick up arms as an alt spec, Enduring and Necro is the way to go?

[raw summit]

i didnt know those MS cleaved

ty

[elder wigeon]

No I'd probably play kyrian, synergizes with the most comps, I don't think necrolord is going to be bad, but it's more niche and doesn't quite benefit the same from double legendary

I'm currently enjoying kyrian quite a bit and I'd certainly enjoy the hell out of it with double legendary

[raw summit]

i was having a harder time living as kyrian but im sure thatll even out over the season

[elder wigeon]

it's harder to live in general it's not something exclusive to kyrian but necrolord is a bit more tanky yeah

[raw summit]

also did pug healers last week so maybe playing with my main guy makes that better

[thick reef]

Is Unity leggo this week, or nah?

[elder wigeon]

No

[paper heath]

Guys

Crit/vers boots, crit/haste legs or haste/vers helm

Ahh legs is on leggo slot already

Helm is tier piece

I think tier helm is the best option despite it being haste instead of crit?

[fickle forge]

You can't change the stats on tier pieces

So just grab the tier

[paper heath]

ok

[elder wigeon]

I'd grab helmet imo

but damn, this guy gets two tier set pieces and none of my warriors do

[paper heath]

Yeah haha

I got tier pieces on all my chars

No weapons tho

[elder wigeon]

preferable

tier piece >>> anything else

weapon is the next best thing but getting tier pieces early is a big deal

[fickle forge]

Weapon is the biggest deal

[steep inlet]

I got 3 crap part ggs

No good stat no tier

As usual

[tawdry stag]

when are we going to be able to change no tier into tier?

[thick reef]

Do we have any set gearing set up yet, or is it flexible still? I see a lot of Kyrian and Necro warrs and a mixed bag of leggos on different slots.

[elder wigeon]

you can buy weapon, not tier pieces

[spice hornet]

April 12

[fickle forge]

Yeah you can, you just transform the conq pieces to tier 👀

Save yourself 1800 conq and get the fattest upgrade with wep

[elder wigeon]

you should have full pvp gear by then

creation catalyst still 1+ month out

and you can only convert 1 piece per week when it comes

[fickle forge]

Is it though? 🤔

[elder wigeon]

yes 6 weeks

[paper heath]

DOn't think you can get full geared by april 12

[fickle forge]

What's the criteria for getting it?

[elder wigeon]

when blizzard unlocks it

which is 8 weeks from start of season

[spice hornet]

And it will be one at a time

[elder wigeon]

yup

[spice hornet]

Once per week I believe

But I don’t remember reading that

[fickle forge]

I would still get weapon

[elder wigeon]

sure yeah weapon is very important, but so is tier set

weapon is guaranteed sooner than 4 piece tier set

[fickle forge]

I'm not too worried about tier set on warr, it's definitely a boost, but it's not something I throw my arms up in the air over

Unless you're a fury boi

[elder wigeon]

it's a good amount of damage you're losing out on by not having the tier set

[fickle forge]

For sure

[elder wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/921278088208330812/c3bf129e9c7008100eb02651ba7886e0.png

pve numbers but you get the idea

[fickle forge]

Wonder if we'll be allowed to even exploit the 4p fully

[elder wigeon]

sorta

[fickle forge]

Or will we sit x3 pollies and have it fall off

[elder wigeon]

that'll happen vs rmp

tier set sucks into rmp aside from 2 piece

[fickle forge]

2p is the real deal Imo

Vs melee cleaves 4p is prob pretty insane too

8% strength is a lot

[elder wigeon]

2p is where you'll really feel it, but 4p is where you'll see the big numbers vs cleaves and high uptime

[fickle forge]

Ye

[elder wigeon]

absolute crankage

I wish i could snap my fingers and it be 2 months down the road and all the woes are gone

of gearing that is

MLD is gonna be a real son of a bitch comp if they don't nerf demo double lego performance

[abstract granite]

if im kyrian arms with 262 elysian what lego should i craft at 291 for now, til 2nd leggo is available? playing mostly 2s

[elder wigeon]

Don't upgrade a covenant legendary right now

[abstract granite]

ty, so unhinged / enduring craft at 291 for now?

[elder wigeon]

you'll replace it with unity anyways and it'll be a waste of money, sure, a gain in the short term

I'd make enduring blow before unhinged

[abstract granite]

ok tyvm

[elder wigeon]

only warrior lego for arms with good interaction with tier set, and it's our best dps legendary for all covenants

[abstract granite]

on belt for enduring? head is tier slot aint it

tyvm for advice 😄

[elder wigeon]

yes it is, belt is safest but it's a real kick in the balls right now because I'm pretty sure we get the girdle of unity before we get the memory of unity so we can't use enduring blow at the same time as the girdle of unity if we make it on waist just yet

[abstract granite]

can always use unhinged for a bit in that situation i guess

[elder wigeon]

I could be wrong, but IIRC we get the non-memory 265 legendary version of unity on belt before we can get revered with the enlightened

gearing this patch in pvp is a real clusterfuck

there's a lot of "If you get this then do this" and a whole minmax of conquest spending if you're trying to avoid spending conquest on tier slots that you could get in the vault

currently I'm avoiding spending any conquest on any slot that could be a tier set, which sucks but I think it's the better play long term

[thick reef]

100%

[elder wigeon]

but I don't know if that's absolutely the best thing to do, I just don't want to get cucked out of getting the 2p by spending a ton of conq and honor on a slot I get as tier set the next reset

[thick reef]

Are tiers sets upgradeable with honor? Or how does that work if you push rating?

[raw summit]

I got a tier set item

[deft root]

Guys whats the best cov for arms rn Kyr or necro?

[elder wigeon]

they are if you get it as a pvp slot I'm pretty sure

[raw summit]

It's at rival 2 and i can upgrade it

[elder wigeon]

what comp you playing?

[raw summit]

Just like any pvp piece

[deft root]

r sham or druid

[elder wigeon]

in 2v2?

[deft root]

yep

[elder wigeon]

I'd play kyrian personally

necro is fine, but either of the two are a bit que dependent

if you're qing into hpriest surv hunter, necro is better IMO

but if you're qing into surv rdruid, kyrian is better because you can stick to the rdruid and kill them

[deft root]

Airight ty bro

[elder wigeon]

necro is much higher burst and better "peak" mobility but lacks the ability to lock something down, but hunters and priests are extremely hard to force fade/feign on without spearing

with necrolord, you have the ability to run them over like a train so to speak

but you'll be down bad vs rdruids

[deft root]

I agree with you tbh R druids slip through every single time

[calm fjord]

what is kyrian arms running for double lego EM EB?

[deft root]

Hard to kill them c:

[raw summit]

Yea

I feel like necro is so miserable into rdu so whenever i see druids i go kyr

[calm fjord]

what stats do you put on them?

[elder wigeon]

can do what you like but honestly if I'm playing enduring blow I want quite a bit of haste, at least north of 12% closer to or at 20%

[calm fjord]

Ye just gonna do haste vers

[elder wigeon]

I've just been playing kyrian war with 16-20% haste and it feels good, I prefer more consistency

nothing feels worse than being crit heavy and not getting any crits when it matters

[undone pumice]

"crit diffed i swear"

[fickle forge]

And nothing feels better than getting all the crits in the world when it matters 😎 👍

[elder wigeon]

that's also true

[undone pumice]

i love when i press execute on a sd proc and enemy goes bye

[fickle forge]

I think as long as you have 10-15 crit though, you have sufficient

[crimson schooner]

Reason behind ED is better then unhing?

[fickle forge]

Way more damage in general

Unhinged isn't targeted

[elder wigeon]

interacts with tier set, much more consistent and doesn't rely on forcing you to use bladestorm as an offensive only ability

[fickle forge]

Unhinged requires you spend SS on BS for ideal AoE burst, and SS is your best cleave CD

[elder wigeon]

also the damage thing

yup and in ss cleave scenarios you have a chance to proc EB on either of the targets you mortal strike, really huge

[fickle forge]

Only time you appreciate Unhinged is in a necro cheese or a double spear where you get to setup all your buffs+debuffs

[elder wigeon]

I can see it being good with TSG, that's about it

[undone pumice]

why did we ever run unhinged tho

[fickle forge]

And then it cleaves onto both the BM pets 😎 👍

[elder wigeon]

cheesy burst when people didn't know better or how to deal with spear

[fickle forge]

Idk why there's a lot of Unhinged questions lately

Who said Unhinged was good?

[undone pumice]

Ndogo

[fickle forge]

Stop

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[undone pumice]

he did say it was good

not sure it came from him

[elder wigeon]

unhinged is good, but very situational

[undone pumice]

which means its not good

[fickle forge]

@crimson schooner Is there a reason you ask about Unhinged specifically?

[elder wigeon]

I'd seriously consider running unhinged almost every game as tsg this season with double lego and spear

DK enables that kind of set up play

[fickle forge]

Maybe in frost TSG yeah

[undone pumice]

yeah but outside of frost tsg

[elder wigeon]

I would p much never play it

[undone pumice]

exactly

[crimson schooner]

@fickle forge I think it could be good play into specifc comps, but thats it. I am more intrested in if we still gonna run crit / vers.

[elder wigeon]

enduring is just too good

[undone pumice]

comp specific legendary setups seem aids

[elder wigeon]

not this season, we're haste warriors now

enduring scales extremely well with haste rather than crit

[undone pumice]

rn im like 50/50 haste crit

[elder wigeon]

which is why I say you want probably at least 12% haste if kyrian for a "best of both worlds" kind of build where you're half and half or slightly crit heavy

[crimson schooner]

Aight, so meaning I should not cry getting the Crit / vers weapon in vault 😉

[scarlet barn]

You mean boosted Ndogo that left Skyhold after too many people called him out spewing BS?

[elder wigeon]

but I'm playing 20% haste this season

just feels way too good

[undone pumice]

razonko why do u hate ndogo

[twilit ridge]

who

[undone pumice]

weirdo who plays fury

but he is kill

[twilit ridge]

Remember when skyhold was good

[compact pelican]

guys as arms/healer in 2's, against dh/heals do we go for the healer or

[undone pumice]

no

[elder wigeon]

I go dh lately

[compact pelican]

cool cool

how about hunter/heals

[scarlet barn]

I dont hate him. I just have to correct him 99% of times

Only time he is right

[elder wigeon]

90% of the time I'm on the healer

[scarlet barn]

Is when he spells my name right

[steep inlet]

yeah ndogo gave a ton of bad advices

[undone pumice]

idk he seems right when he says i should uninstalll the game

[scarlet barn]

🤦

[twilit ridge]

I will ask him for a fury guide

I'm a new warr

[fickle forge]

Ndogo is gonna be back dw

[twilit ridge]

Fury main

[fickle forge]

He always does

[scarlet barn]

yea in 5 months

[fickle forge]

Do it, cause he WILL write you one

[scarlet barn]

when his healer friend will get him high CR again

[twilit ridge]

Used to main a real class (mage) looking to have it easy

[undone pumice]

i want ndogo i want ndogo

so basically uh

[twilit ridge]

oh no

[compact pelican]

guys against mage boomy

[undone pumice]

look up warrior pve rotation

[compact pelican]

who do i go for

[undone pumice]

then u press those buttons

[elder wigeon]

do you have a purge on your team?

[undone pumice]

and maintain hamstring

[compact pelican]

i have shaman

[elder wigeon]

go mage

[twilit ridge]

Macro ignore pain and hamstring

With execute

[elder wigeon]

if not, go boomie

[twilit ridge]

Trust

[fierce elm]

Unhinged is good

[tawdry stag]

do you guys take non-tier pvp items filling the tier slot from vault?

[fickle forge]

Love Afro love

[twilit ridge]

Gladiator Afro

[undone pumice]

i dont do non pvp so no

[fierce elm]

If you find tier then take tier for now

over weapon

unhinged > all tho

[fickle forge]

Can we rename Afro to NafroFury?

[twilit ridge]

[undone pumice]

unhinfed has mortal strike icon

so bis

[twilit ridge]

Yes

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/813525483332829256/869620168647643156/unknown.png

[twilit ridge]

I'm gonna transfer my account to EU

[compact pelican]

guys

arms/resto vs aff/hprist

aff or hpriest killtarget

[fickle forge]

Both suck to hit 😎 👍

[undone pumice]

leave arena

[twilit ridge]

Just do 3s

[fickle forge]

Prob better off going priest and try and get him before affli rots you

[twilit ridge]

boycott 2s

[fickle forge]

Make your Rdruid spam clone him

[formal summit]

Surely your Druid will stop lock from free casting

[fickle forge]

Until the druid gets coiled into triple fear

And you can't stun Hpri while he runs around with ward on

[compact pelican]

i'm playing with rsham hahah

shit man afflock/spriest who would yall go for

[tawdry stag]

come on dh every arena

XD

[compact pelican]

i mean that too

HAHHA

[tawdry stag]

I am at arround 1.7k mmr

what about 2.1k+

only dhs as well?

[compact pelican]

only diff between 2.1k dh and 1k

2.1k knows how to back off

[spice hornet]

at 2.1k its dh/rdruid, rogue/mage, assass/healer, bm or survival healer

[nimble jasper]

as you get to the top of 2s

its just hunter city

[tawdry stag]

1700 feels like 2300 previous season XD

[nimble jasper]

yeah last season was inflated

[steep inlet]

And it’s season begin

Deflated

[wet scarab]

I don't know if it's so much deflated as it is gatekeeping by hunter/rdruid and rmp comps

[steep inlet]

its deflated like all seasons beginning since 16 years...

[wet scarab]

no I know, I just feel like the reason it's harder to climb this season is more comp specific than a difficulty issue

[undone pumice]

so its like

1200 = 1700

?

at season beginning

[fickle forge]

There shouldn't really be a change like that
The only real difference is that holy priest is holy priest

[wet scarab]

the insane thing about this is they were the best represented healer on the ladder last season too

and they still got buffed

[steep inlet]

Blizz doesn’t care

[undone pumice]

i love when tgey buff cokp thats been good for multiple expansions

and nerf warrior after it was dog in bfa

and good for 2 patches

[fickle forge]

Imagine if they did

Arena isn't far from glory

[thick reef]

whats the name of the this website again?

[fickle forge]

Xunamate

[thick reef]

ty

[warm pollen]

Worth upgrading my leggo ?

For 170k?

[sharp meteor]

i wouldn't but I'm so stingy that I copy my chars onto ptr to try new mogs

[sly furnace]

Im gonna wait a few weeks 😆 to poor atm

[sharp meteor]

ya price will fall and season is super long

no rush unless your partners are dead set on pushing hard rn

[quaint snow]

Hey guys, im playing a Kyrian Warrior - atm i have no Legendary because i just started again with 9.2 - which 291 would you suggest. Unhinged or Enduring Blow? We get the Kyrian Belt for free soon, so i wanna get the "normal" legendary first. Thanks for insights 😄

[sharp meteor]

Enduring for sure.

[quaint snow]

on head right?

yeh obv. since other spot would be belt...

[sharp meteor]

You can craft unity anywhere after revered.

I don't know bis loadout because vaults and stuff throws a wrench into things.

so I was just making do until we have all the game available

[undone pumice]

EB on belt

unity wrist/boots/ring

[quaint snow]

ah nice idea thanks mate

just gotta hit revered so i can get the unity one

on what slot would you prefer the unity out of the three you mentioned? cheapest one on AH?

[undone pumice]

what other warr specs i play

if i dont

i go cheapest

[quaint snow]

ill just play arms, thanks man

[undone pumice]

like ring would be fine if u multispec prot + arms but not if u multispec with fury

[azure willow]

yo guys , if i have no weapon in vault but a tier set but not bis stats ? should the priority go to tier set ?

[wary frigate]

damn i thought i was cheap! lol

[wary frigate]

arent all tier pieces fixed stats? if so, and tier is good (which it is?), then tier, right?

[ancient sonnet]

Can you get x2 legendaries this week?

[wary frigate]

no

[azure willow]

i have haste versa tier helm

[jaunty furnace]

They won’t fall because even in a few weeks people will be able to wear the 2nd legendary so prices will remain extremely high

[wet scarab]

prices are actually even more awful because the 262s are more expensive than prior weeks

with the expectation that people will gawk at 291 prices and go for the next option even if it's pure banditry

[ancient sonnet]

well to upgrade to 291 base you need to have a 262

[wet scarab]

do you? I thought you can upgrade from any rank as long as you have the soul ash and cinders in addition to the flux

[ancient sonnet]

I mean for crafting the base Shadowghast item

[wet scarab]

oh I meant if you were buying from the AH

ahI see what you mean now

nvm me

[ancient sonnet]

ah fair. But I'm pretty sure the 262 is part of the 291 craft but I could be mistaken.

Knew I should have stocked up on Essentias when they were 6k...

Up to 45k on my server now

[wet scarab]

I hate that I'm missing out on crafting as an engineer

but the wormhole and battle res are so good

[ancient sonnet]

I kept engineer and just powerleveled JC the other day. Cost like 6k to get it to level 100. Made a bunch of those speed rings and made good money

[wet scarab]

was always a blacksmith until the dumb disjoined SL worlld

[wary frigate]

i have eng on every character. i love the toys and the aesthetics etc. but it hurts to not have that 2nd prof. i have found a couple recipies that are making o.k. gold rn but nothing like other proffs. just wish they'd give us decent ilvl BoE guns/goggles/maces or something.... maybe even trinkets!

[undone pumice]

dont need to craft

i sell the mats for the crafters

( i remain broke )

[fickle forge]

Tiers are fixed stats, so just grab it

[silver stone]

what trinket is good for warr now?

[sharp meteor]

the usual ones

plus aegis imo

reso decent on isolated speared target but that can be hard

as soaking it basically negaates the damage

[fading grail]

I'm guessing Enduring Blows+Elysian Might(Unity) is going to be the meta warrior legendary combo?

[sharp meteor]

possibly?

kind of depends on how stuff works with conq

kyrian looks super good tho

[fading grail]

I feel squishy af this ssn so far

getting melted by demon hunters

is necrolord really dead?

[sharp meteor]

lmao

[warm sigil]

Is kyrian a good covenant for Fury in arena?

[raw summit]

its good for fury

but ur prolly best of going arm

[pale minnow]

Yooo poggo got a sword on weekly

[sharp meteor]

Most excellent.

[pale minnow]

With speed

[sharp meteor]

🤤

[pale minnow]

I slapped asses today

[sharp meteor]

Pity tertiaries disabled in arena.

[nimble jasper]

kek

except the ring

[pale minnow]

I'm human with the 15sec trinket 20%increased cc

And it's ultra brokken

Rogues are sucking my d

[nimble jasper]

hard to give up

the zugzug life

of hardiness

[pale minnow]

I guess blizz tried to fix that with the new trinkets

[nimble jasper]

increased cc shit looks like a healer trinket

honestly

yeah you think that till those trinks are just gone next season

[sharp meteor]

ya til u sit a 10 second sap or blind LMAO

[wet scarab]

a moment of silence for bruin who won't get a vault due to getting suspended from WoW

[sharp meteor]

eternally destroyed

[flat isle]

Ran into an affliction lock using that the other day

Shit was sooooo stupid lol

[nimble jasper]

i mean he def said some fubar shit

to eat a 2 week ban

from bgs

@sharp meteor when i was playing rogue ran into a dh playing the immune 2 ccs trinket

instantly uses it as gates open sap it off

kill in bomb opener with nades

[raw summit]

dhs throwing :O

no way

[nimble jasper]

your class has hunter in its name

means smol brain

[raw summit]

not like they all were 800 rating above where they belonh

just cuz of last season

[nimble jasper]

more than that

[raw summit]

im not sure if im also like 400 too high cuz war

cuz especially in 3s i got ZERO clue what tf i should do

too much going on

[nimble jasper]

could be worse

[raw summit]

too little 3s played none with voice

[nimble jasper]

sinful season warrior in 2s

so many male orc brainlets

[raw summit]

condemn light up

press condemn

[nimble jasper]

playing 1500 points above where they belong

pre nerf of everything

[raw summit]

i cant tell if i play like that

[tame light]

Does tier count for pvp like pvp items do? Like the item lvl increases in pvp combat or nah?

[raw summit]

[tame light]

Oh it has to be obtained from pvp box to pvp scale? That’s weird

[raw summit]

thats from box

yea

[nimble jasper]

i mean it caps out lower

pvp gear caps out at 275 outside of pvp

[tame light]

That’s real fucking weird though since pvp box is just straight rng right?

[nimble jasper]

well once you get catalyst

it should be easy

[tame light]

Oh true

[nimble jasper]

good news for alts at least

[elder wigeon]

catalyst honestly should've been available for pvp day 1

[undone pumice]

recklessness procs are back

[pale minnow]

3/3 no tier set item from weekly, but can't complain cuz i got bis weapon but still wtf is this rng

[wet scarab]

I had 8 out of 9 slots unlocked and didn’t get a second tier piece

But got a 268 weapon so I was happy

[undone pumice]

i got 6/9 slots

i got boots and 35g

[tawdry stag]

do you guys wait for weapon from vault?

dont know what to do!!

[raw summit]

show box

[glass orchid]

Buy wep

If you get another one in the box in the future its just asking you to go fury XD

[raw summit]

lmao

[pale minnow]

Joefernandes playing fury kyrian, double charge, short leap, no warpaint??

[nimble jasper]

isnt he washed at this point

[elder wigeon]

he's much better than anyone who hangs out here

[nimble jasper]

i mean not wrong but havent seen him compete in forever

guy just malds carrying lfg

[elder wigeon]

sure

[nimble jasper]

like idk if its a choice cuz its good or cuz hes tilting

taking full mobility

[tawdry stag]

could you link his stream?

[raw summit]

joefernandes?

[pale minnow]

Joe with his malding is very entertaining

[raw summit]

agree

[pale minnow]

He plays spear only to catch the druids, he has a special feeling towards them since legion

Imagine, huge big d, avatar-wb-spear and then he gets the bitch slap tranquility i can imagine his face when he first time saw this xd

WHAT IS THIS GAME

[undone pumice]

omg

solo shuffle is so fucking fun

i can just

play consistant 3s

and its so random nobody cares what happens

its like bgs in arena

im fucking nutting AAAAAAAAA

[sharp meteor]

wait until they add rating and u start getting whispers from fem orc/human rogues with goggles

[undone pumice]

who

[sharp meteor]

gonna be like league

it's fun right now though

and has a lot of potential

[undone pumice]

i /ignore everyone the frame i enter any unrated mode

just like/muteall in league

i play jungle bro

[sharp meteor]

LMAO

legend

[undone pumice]

i feel like female orc/human with glasses is the biggest pvp stereotype

hecarim feels like warrior

because i have mortal strike bound to q

[sharp meteor]

arena master backstabqtx-tichondirus

[undone pumice]

why are all pvpers from tichondrius

cringe

af

eredar is BiS realm

we have players such as

greenbullman

with his guild full of other 40 year olds

[raw summit]

im blackrock dont really know if i like it there yet

[undone pumice]

im hardstuck eredar :/

[raw summit]

its so weird that people talk german there

i can maybe afford transfer if andy helm drops

4 mil 🙏

[undone pumice]

yeah its weird af to see some weirdo /w hey willst du mein schwanz lutschen für 4 millionen gold

and then you see the legendary german names

such as supersalat

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor its weird the stereotype is fem human

nelf is better for rogue rn

[undone pumice]

shadowmeld op

[raw summit]

female human is either r1 andy

or bad

[nimble jasper]

its better on some classes

[undone pumice]

i remember i saw this random fem human rogue in korthia

[nimble jasper]

for rogue having extra restealth is just busted

esp when its assa meta

[undone pumice]

he unstealths behind me, waits 3 seconds, 3 second kidneyshot

[raw summit]

isnt nelf dudu p cracked too?

[undone pumice]

dies

[nimble jasper]

also @raw summit blackrock used to be an old school pvp realm on na

[lucid walrus]

yah

meld rake

[nimble jasper]

theres a guy his horde rogue is just named

fyb

though

[raw summit]

its a german realm eu where main current mains guild is

[undone pumice]

i just

unironic rmp in solo shuffle

[raw summit]

solo shuffle is meh

[nimble jasper]

the like

[raw summit]

inspect partner kill low gear andy

[nimble jasper]

og tryhard rogue aesthetic

[raw summit]

rotate inspect others

[nimble jasper]

is male undead

tbh

[raw summit]

and then kill

[nimble jasper]

not fem human

[raw summit]

hows male undead sp

[undone pumice]

there is

a 36k hp dh in this solo shuffle

kekw

[raw summit]

literally all the games i did i either onetap someone

or our mate is oneshot

[undone pumice]

i just

banner wb avatar sd procs this guy

killed him in 2 damaging globals

unfortunate

[raw summit]

use banner/ava/orc/badge macro

WB unhinged spin

clonk

[undone pumice]

this mage just /yell rep dh

xd

he has been 1 shot

every round

so sad

[nimble jasper]

mage asking someone else

to incap cc

[undone pumice]

dh died

so fast just now

i was still fleshcrafting

kekw

[raw summit]

that mode bad

but hey

they tried

[undone pumice]

mode is fun

[raw summit]

they should set everyone to 250

or some shit

[sharp meteor]

They did that on the PTR Brawl with the blues.

[undone pumice]

if ur alone at 2 am or smth

[sharp meteor]

Everybody got scaled.

[raw summit]

so you actually get a real game

[undone pumice]

how can it be

almost every game of solo so far

has had a super undergeared dh

[nimble jasper]

fotm monkeys

[raw summit]

half my games are dh

its so freee

[undone pumice]

my games of solo so far
36k hp dh
40k hp dh
28k hp dh
51k hp dh
42k hp dh

almost every round the dh gets assblasted in 3 seconds

[raw summit]

since they cant pve since vers change

i had a 22k hp rdruid

run in and try convoke

every game

???

[nimble jasper]

i dont get it

[undone pumice]

i had a 14khp fury warrior