pvp

[wet scarab]

He’s duelist as venthyr fury

[undone pumice]

why is he venthyr fury

fucking weirdo

[wet scarab]

Maybe this is like necro dh before it became meta

We gotta get in on this bois

[undone pumice]

time to level another covenant

i just got done with necros man

[wet scarab]

Wait for the story quests next week they give like 13 renown per week

[undone pumice]

i know

thats how i speedran necro 80

start 40

story and torghast

[wet scarab]

Hah did that for venthyr

Was my last non 80 covenant

[undone pumice]

never going to nf

rather die

than have my eyes burned by that blue again

[wet scarab]

My shaman got destroyed by a nf warrior yesterday

Wasn’t expecting the burst

[undone pumice]

nf is cheese 1 shot

[wet scarab]

Does anyone actually have a suggested rotation prio list for fury pvp

[undone pumice]

enrage

rage generation

just enrage #1 everything else is pretty situational

[wet scarab]

Lol he isn’t even using any of the new trinkets

Love it

[coral mango]

.

[sharp meteor]

how in the

[wet scarab]

Holy shit

[steep inlet]

big doubts this is in pvp

[coral mango]

it was in rated

[wet scarab]

It might be the answer to DH consistent dps

Condemn damage reduction

[steep inlet]

with bloodlust PI and all modifiers ?

darkwings ?

[coral mango]

it was a rated bg

[steep inlet]

:)

mass modifiers so kk

[fickle forge]

Except

Condemn hits for less on low armor

And DH has perma Dstance against magic

[warped warren]

😒

[fickle forge]

Double the damage reduction 😎 👍

[wet scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-movie-max-sigh-gif-22583851

[fickle forge]

On a tank, with berserker, conq banner and dark angel?

[coral mango]

it was on a tank yes but I don't remember the buffs

[steep inlet]

😄

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

[versed nova]

So the general consensus is arms is a lot better than fury for pvp? I seem to be having more luck the other way round or at least fury is better in bgs I think. Struggling to get on with arms a bit anyway does anyone else find this?

[sharp meteor]

bgs come down to whether or not u have a pocket healer

plus gear and comp of both teams

sometimes u just can't exist as solo warr

[versed nova]

man these are trying times

[simple rock]

what the fuck is dh dmg man

[sharp meteor]

been tryin glaive tempest into 2+ stacked targets

CRANKIN

[simple rock]

like I try to peel my healer

but then I start dying

guess I have to play with druid

[finite fox]

has it already been said that the absorb trinket is not working as intended?

[sharp meteor]

eh?

[gritty bough]

Cannot wait to try ven fury in 2s. Hopefully it counters the dh meta

[finite fox]

when you use the new absorb trinket it does 0 damage / 0 healing absorption

tested via duels, and arenas its just not working lol

[fickle forge]

You are draining a shield right?

[fickle forge]

I think you'll be very disappointed if that's your answer to DH

[river walrus]

pretty sure condem is bad on fury warrior since execute has a cd and does less damage compared to arms

[lucid walrus]

magic damage? i think that's all it applies to

[steep inlet]

It is litteraly the worst counter to DH in the game lol

how he can even imagine that

Magic condemn and fury no tankyness vs DH

[wheat jay]

Troma losing all faith in warrior community

[gritty bough]

why is Smexxin doing it then lol

[wheat jay]

Cuz he wants to play fury condemn

Did he specifically say that he does it to counter dh?

That does more dmg than fury

That takes less dmg from magic

That Has blur

Can fly up

Etc

[undone pumice]

dh just counters warrior like its just gonna be like that ig

[wheat jay]

I think fury is the last thing id take against dh

Fuck it

He can just blur my wall

And I die cuz I can't heal

Lmao

[undone pumice]

bloodthirst his healer

[wheat jay]

Who's probably not a noob and lines me

Cuz why would he be in melee

Like wtf is even that argument lmao

[wet scarab]

The point about condemn wasn’t that you’d be out damaging the DH it’s that you’ll limit his consistent dps with condemn absorb

[wheat jay]

Condemn absorb that does fuck all against dh xD

[undone pumice]

leap on his healer

[wheat jay]

Cuz he just bursts through it in second

[undone pumice]

[wheat jay]

Leap healer to use bloodthirst and los my healer

Yep

This is big brain time

😂

[undone pumice]

los urself so u die faster

so u can lose rating faster

so u cna farm noobs in noob cr

[wheat jay]

Ok good point, lose faster so you can queue another gamę insta

[undone pumice]

and make urseld deel better

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[undone pumice]

this is galactic brain strat

[wet scarab]

Dear god this disc whenever a non meta idea comes up

[scarlet barn]

Dear god uzza only complaining

[undone pumice]

dear god

its almost like non meta is non meta

[wet scarab]

Yes it’s almost like necro DH was not meta before three months ago

[undone pumice]

let us lose our cr in peace

[steep inlet]

[wet scarab]

Heh

I am a bit surprised by the venthyr choice for fury it seemed like necro was the way to go

But there seems to be a nice mix of covenants on murlok for fury arenas

[undone pumice]

wait

hes running sephuz too

cocaine

[wet scarab]

Yeah it’s awesome

Though that was prob situational

It records what you logged off with

[undone pumice]

deathmaker seems a fine choice too

whats it do again entirely i forgor 💀

[wet scarab]

Siege breaker debuff no?

Extends it

[undone pumice]

its just

fury EB

wtf

bis

[wet scarab]

Lol yeah we already have it

[simple rock]

fighting an outlaw rdruid and multiple dhs in 2s

this season is a nightmare in 2s

so far

[fickle forge]

Cause nobody plays it

It's a wildcard

Consistent F-tier spec

Nobody's investing in it

[undone pumice]

why write a guide for it?

why do that then

why write a guide for prot either like??

[fickle forge]

Could be because some people still like to play it, despite it being very bad

[undone pumice]

fair

[fickle forge]

Could also be because a certain someone demands it 👀

[gloomy beacon]

Folks still play it because they enjoy the theme

[undone pumice]

@NdogoFury

[wet scarab]

Rip

[undone pumice]

ndogo still not back :c

[gloomy beacon]

Gone too soon

[raw summit]

i too enjoy loosing

[undone pumice]

same

[fickle forge]

And I mean, you have Blizzcon champion Joefernandes who occasionally plays fury, but even he doesn't have a solid build because he doesn't invest in it

Still writtes a guide

It's the best there is unfortunately

[undone pumice]

idk

fury is fun

arms is fun

[fickle forge]

Most people find winning fun

Or rather, the majority does

[undone pumice]

i care about winning

but i also want to transmog 2x logg

[fickle forge]

Yah, and that's why you should just play fury if you want to play fury

[undone pumice]

and get flamed because im a literal caveman playing the caveman spec

[fickle forge]

But resources are few

[undone pumice]

just become a pioneer

[coral mango]

anyone one know what trinket to get from "a new deal" quest for arms?

[undone pumice]

[lucid walrus]

resonator or aegis imo. it's late enough in the week that there's no room for regret

[lunar flame]

Best healer for Ret/War?

[lucid walrus]

can just get it 2 days from now

[coral mango]

is it confirmed the quest comes up every week?

[undone pumice]

its marked as weekly

so id imagine so

[nimble jasper]

rdruid is the best for almost every comp

besides a few

[coral mango]

grenade does sound the most fun as well lol

is grenade/resonator getting nerfed tuesday?

[lucid walrus]

already has been i believe

[undone pumice]

it already got nerfed

will be nerfed further 3000000%

[coral mango]

ah I think I read it.... oh real

[lunar flame]

👍🏽 thx.

I guess I should have asked for a ranking if my friend doesn’t want R Druid too

[lucid walrus]

shaman's not bad either

[nimble jasper]

so uhh

the crafted ring affix for 82 speed

works

LOL

[gritty bough]

Woah what’s it called?

[nimble jasper]

dont remember its one of the new optional reagents

[gritty bough]

There the 262 rings yeah?

[nimble jasper]

yes

[undone pumice]

cant wait for mop classic

[lucid walrus]

does it work in arena?

[nimble jasper]

supposedly

[sharp meteor]

yeah costs like 22k to make

um the spark ones also do bigly dam

had a sp who had 7% of his dmg from it last night

[nimble jasper]

the automa core?

[sharp meteor]

idk but the uh 82 move speed works but i don't think 10% does, or maybe

i need to try the spark thing

[nimble jasper]

yeah its a minor like

500 dmg explosion

idk if thats what you meant

[sharp meteor]

yeah that thing does a decent chunk of dam if you're being trained

[clever fern]

wich is the best path and conduits flor kleia?

[hushed plank]

Haha Good stuff!!

[spiral raptor]

is ret war in 2s dead? i mean we played last season over 2.4 and now we are hard struggle at 1600 oO very frustrating and we both dont know whats going on

[elder wigeon]

ret healing got nerfed pretty good and warriors are significantly more squishy

only viable double dps comp for warrior right now is feral war

warriors aren't particularly good in 2's right now

[sharp meteor]

2s is hunter bracket sir

find healer and queue 3s

[spiral raptor]

but that cant be the answer sure we are not the best players 2.4 took us more than 800 games but the badest we arent, and hard struggle 1600 is mäh feeling like first steps into games

[sharp meteor]

last season was a little

inflated

[plain wing]

i got suspended till march 21.st

im actually so sad.

is it even worth coming back at that point, ill be so far behind on rep and gear/rating

😦

[sharp meteor]

rofl

[plain wing]

like idk what i even got banned for

raging in bg chat?

wasnt even using bad words

Like idk if its even worth coming back, dreadnaught will probably have popped on ah multiple times ill be 2 weeks behind on rep and gear/ pvp rating

like 2 weeks is a long ass time at new patch. Prolly not even worth coming back as ill be weeks behind in tier and double leggos

ouch.

thoughts?

[sharp meteor]

lmao

[plain wing]

I guess i got reported for use "retarded"

Fuck man.

Well GL with the new season lads, I'll be too far behind in 2 weeks to really enjoy the new content. Hope yall be pumping

[runic galleon]

you guys having more success with necro or kyrian

[sharp meteor]

necro feelin sick in turbo

[plain wing]

like is catching up after not playing for 2 weeks even possible?

in terms of rep, gear, double leggos, tier

and im gonna miss out on dreadnaught gear im sure

Damn man.

[lucid walrus]

dread rarely pops

not sure why that's a concern. getting any set is a test of patience

[plain wing]

I mean

im gonna be so far behind in 2 weeks time

rep, leggo, tier, vaults, pvp rating, gear in general

rusty from not playing 2 weeks

man Im actually so sad.

I rushed home after work today to log on and just enjoy the new patch and then noticed the suspension.

Fuck man. Genuinely sad.

[sharp meteor]

my man worryin about falling behind in a 15 month season

[jaunty furnace]

it’s kinda true tho

If you don’t play almost everyday you fall behind

and then when you come back people out gear you

[mystic barn]

maybe dont be a shithead to people then

[lucid walrus]

conq cap rn is like 2

only thing he's really missin is vault slots

[mystic barn]

sucks that he would probably have gotten the weapon from vault within these few weeks he cant play

[full quiver]

Lol

[runic galleon]

is there a macro for spear + resonator

[lucid walrus]

@ cursor for both

[sage raptor]

That's not true in the slightest my guy

Once you realize you don't have to do everything everyday, the game is so much more enjoyable.

[mystic barn]

but hes correct

if you dont play every day/ week you arent gonna fill vault slots therefor you fall behind lol

he wasn't talking about how to enjoy the game

[sage raptor]

It shouldn't take you all week to fill the vault

[mystic barn]

ok but hes banned for 3 weeks

how is he not gonna fall behind

its just a fact

[sage raptor]

There's a huge difference between not doing something for a day or two and not doing something for 3 weeks

[mystic barn]

and the conversation was rotating around the guy being banned for 3 weeks lol

[sage raptor]

All I was saying was you don't have to be productive every day so you don't fall behind.

[full quiver]

Ya qcp you idiot

[open dock]

Kyrian the play for pvp this season rn? Looks like necro got fucked hard

[nimble jasper]

@plain wing gonna be honest, you must have said some shit

I have a friend that gets 2 day silenced p frequently for telling someone to go neck.

[quasi lotus]

Look how he types here after losing like 2 arena games

Now imagine that to every healer teammate hes ever played with every day

I mean he literally told @mystic barn to go play in traffic

[mystic barn]

wont be surprised if he was telling people to kill themselves ingame too

warranted ban

[sharp meteor]

getting banned in wow

[nimble jasper]

I got suspended 48 hrs

for the lvling pot exploit in bfa

[spice hornet]

they ban easily now

for everything but RMT

[elder wigeon]

why do you say that about necro?

[spice hornet]

is ret warr even good into jungle anymore

they just pve me down

[somber comet]

I've learned if people say they got banned for nothing, they probably said something outlandish that got reported at the right time Blizz decided to look.

In Bruin's case, it's cause he goes off the fucking chain doomer-speech

[spice hornet]

kekw

[somber comet]

I can only imagine

What happened in those party logs

[spice hornet]

ya hes unhinged

[graceful quarry]

warcrimes

probably

[spice hornet]

demo lock jsut drops me in opener by himself

literal like 60k dmg in 3 sec

80k

**

[elder wigeon]

get used to it, they get 10x better with double lego

we'll be in a MLD, jungle and RMP meta

[sharp meteor]

games are so fast and scary

having to trinket a dr'd stun at 90% to parry

[elder wigeon]

I'm pretty sick of the game at this point

nerf the hell out of healing and damage

[sharp meteor]

numbers seem too high relative to health

[elder wigeon]

they are

[sharp meteor]

imagine trying to learn pvp rn

die instantly

[elder wigeon]

healing and damage is too high

people get topped instantly and die instantly

[sharp meteor]

like buff stam on the pvp trinket bonus more, and/or gear idk

fast paced is fine but this is just like

knife fight

[elder wigeon]

in all honesty damage and healing needs to be reduced by like 35% across the board

[sharp meteor]

like i get dr horrified after my healer dispels something

and im like lmao these fools

and the monk has a proc so he sends clones and crane kicks

nearly dead instantly

[elder wigeon]

it should take longer to kill people but people who create the best kill opportunities gain the most advantage in a go

[sharp meteor]

also just had a 13 minute game vs hpriest ret fire

[elder wigeon]

yup

[sharp meteor]

mage yolo busted off cd with no cc

[elder wigeon]

ret + demo lock + hpriest is insane

[sharp meteor]

hpriest is actually so disgusting man

hope they pulled some data from week 1 here because good grief

[graceful quarry]

what even happened to hpriest

[nimble jasper]

sin rogue once people get tier bonuses

is gonna be

monkaW

[graceful quarry]

havent been able to play in ssn yet

time to gear my rogue i guess

[nimble jasper]

they got a healing buff

[sharp meteor]

chastise somebdy mind games kill target

also serenity is lay on hands

[nimble jasper]

dh still wrecks your butthole

even blurring off cd

its a joke

[graceful quarry]

ah we back in bfa

dh uses everything off cd

doesnt die

[nimble jasper]

yeah unless rogue ig

trinkets first kidney for no reason

dies in bomb next dr

lmao

[graceful quarry]

time to gear my rogue when im back at my pc

in some weeks

[nimble jasper]

ngl theres so many rms in 2s atm

kinda cringe

also how cringe how bad they can play

[graceful quarry]

thats always been the case tho

can misplay 20x still win

[nimble jasper]

SL s1

you couldnt die to the rogue solo tho

heh

they both had to connect generally

[graceful quarry]

except behinning of s1

[elder wigeon]

hpriest got some big buffs

damage and healing

[graceful quarry]

where rogur killed u in a gcd

with kyrian

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah

great meme

was like that all of beta

[graceful quarry]

fun times

[nimble jasper]

untouched

seems good

but yeah talking most of s1

if mage didnt connect you were basically good

[mystic barn]

I don’t see rm at all in 2s just dh hpriest

[nimble jasper]

2s is hunter bracket

or dh hpriest

[graceful quarry]

i dont get how hunter is still allowed to be so disgusting

since over a year

[nimble jasper]

assa hpriest p dumb too if you have a priest that has half a brain

to fear off sap and mindgames the kidney target

vendetta cdr lego means you can p much slam vendetta in opener

and have it back in a min anyway

[graceful quarry]

i would just need to make binds for rogue

tbh

seems slightly more than ret

[nimble jasper]

i swear i need one of my usual priests to play again

lfg is so dumb

cast games after fear off target congrats

get trinket opener or someone dies

[fierce elm]

2s is dumb

[nimble jasper]

bm hunter bracket

[graceful quarry]

bro ur gonna trigger eyetoe with that statement

[nimble jasper]

guarantee game is gonna be jungle fiesta soon

[fierce elm]

The only people who plays 2s are small brain people or people who are waiting for a 3s partner

[sharp meteor]

the social aspect of 3s is kind of unfortunate for a lot of people

much harder to get into than 2s, or any other game

solo shuffle might be cool

[elder wigeon]

hpriest is insane in 2's rn

way stronger than rdruid ever was

[spice hornet]

2s not fun since death sent nerf

its just surv hunters, hpriests, r/m

outlaws and assass

[elder wigeon]

we love it

hpriest is 50% healer representation in 2's

[sharp meteor]

why is serenity lay on hands

why is chastise like 40 yards

why can ray be used on pod

[spice hornet]

same reason why sub and fire the way they are

are the way they are*

[sharp meteor]

i swear most rmp wins feel like it's because they yolo trinket some shit like a pre-disarm on their go

love pulling up a stream when they send on a pre-wall and go "just kill through"

[spice hornet]

u like that

i like how if you rally

outside of bomb

it doesnt hit your partner

[elder wigeon]

lmao

Rally, intervene, war banner all don't go through duel

[sharp meteor]

pre rally and safeguard a duel vs 1-dance and partner dies anyways

literally have a bind to trinket fear and partner goes 100-0 in under a second with 30k dam from the mage

[elder wigeon]

kekw

[sharp meteor]

even twink brackets weren't this volatile

[spice hornet]

just getting farmed by jungles mostof the time now

since they know to just train warrior

[sharp meteor]

ya having lot of success hitting warrs

once parry is gone they just die

[elder wigeon]

LMAO yup

[fickle forge]

Seems like turbo is realæy hot stuff now

Surges keep you topped forever

[spice hornet]

turbo hot stuff cause ret warr just get cucked by rmx and now jungle sometimes

[fickle forge]

Good thing turbo is 👌against RMP then

[scarlet barn]

Well there are many words that can get you banned. So....yea R word can get you that for sure 😛

[spice hornet]

get 1 win away from 2.1k then queue into a multi r1 3400 team

has happened 3 times in a row

[spice hornet]

every comp goes me ahhhh

[elder wigeon]

will be more and more common when people actually realize warriors are paper tigers

I personally like killing the warrior in pretty much every comp lmao

[south vortex]

Just played a round of solo shuffle and now I'm perma stunned in oribos. Has anybody here encountered this bug and is there a simple fix?

[undone pumice]

ithas been encountered

therr is no fix

dont trinket because it will crash the game

[elder wigeon]

exit the game and open it back up, it's a bug

no idea how to fix it

[fickle forge]

Out here with my new fury build
You guys should start picking these PvP talents

[raw summit]

[thick reef]

Hi guys
Do u think amstring is mandatory on fury, as much as is for arms?

[raw summit]

well

u need uptime

gl with that without hamstring

[scarlet barn]

You def should learn to do hamstring on both arms and fury

not like @full quiver

[thick reef]

Any tip on when to use it?I'm always pressing the main rotation skills, that's why I'm asking

[raw summit]

press it when they arent slowed

[thick reef]

Can i use piercing howl instead?is it the same?
Sry for being silly, I'm asking the first concerns that I'm thinking of

[scarlet barn]

Man

And Ndogo missed it

[scarlet barn]

You are supposed to basically have highest uptime of it as you can

You use piercing if you cant connect with hamstring

[raw summit]

also aoe slow

[scarlet barn]

Also

@raw summitNdogo Didnt handle being called boosted anymore

[raw summit]

probably left us for oblivion boost discord

[steep inlet]

He will come back with a 2600

In few months

That he bought on blazing boost

[raw summit]

and a 3800 exp heal friend

[steep inlet]

« Look fury is viable guys »

[fickle forge]

Can't believe I just got R1 as fury guys, it only took a few boosting sessions and a couple win trading sessions and then I finally did it 😎 👍

[scarlet barn]

Dont think that sub 18 year old boy can afford that much boosting

[elder wigeon]

hamstring is prio when they're about to use a lot of mobility and your hamstring will fall before you can get to them

[tough compass]

Hamstring is your best friend as Warr

[elder wigeon]

there's no shame in re-hamstringing a mage with 9 seconds left because you're about to get rooted

[tough compass]

I sometimes even spam on druids in case they shapeshift at that moment

[elder wigeon]

yup

I do that if I really want to stick to them and piss them off

[leaden fern]

hey guys, does anyone know of a streamer who who streams TSG/any full games videos of TSG on youtube?

I am playing with some mates and we are sort of struggling between goes, just looking for some advice/footage of how the game should be played after a go

[thick reef]

Watching arena games from players like bajhera i see they almost never use it, that's why I was asking

[elder wigeon]

watch smexxin, revolol and magnus

see what they do and how they do it, they're the best warriors that stream

[undone pumice]

troll?

[fickle forge]

100% real of course

[undone pumice]

death wish is bis

[wet scarab]

so I haven't actually tried it in arena yet but fury is disgusting in BGs

I usually outdamage most other classes in relatively competitive random ones but I outdamaged by half a million at a temple of kotmogu and wasn't dying at all, even playing with arms conduits by accident

just didn't feel as squishy as I thought it would

I'm not sure the burst is good enough for arenas, the way I play it anyway, but it's quite fun as necro

like I can't imagine myself outdamaging 2 charges of serenity/lay on hands that priests have now

I don't know, seems worth experimenting with, has potential I think if people min-max it

[warped warren]

so I haven't actually tried it in arena yet but fury is disgusting in BGs
I usually outdamage most other classes in relatively competitive random ones but I outdamaged by half a million at a temple of kotmogu and wasn't dying at all, even playing with arms conduits by accident
just didn't feel as squishy as I thought it would
I'm not sure the burst is good enough for arenas, the way I play it anyway, but it's quite fun as necro
like I can't imagine myself outdamaging 2 charges of serenity/lay on hands that priests have now
I don't know, seems worth experimenting with, has potential I think if people min-max it

[wet scarab]

no u

I'll do paragraphs from now on >_>

[steep inlet]

It’s just a worse version of arms uzza

[fickle forge]

How's your success been with warr so far @steep inlet ?

[scarlet barn]

so I haven't actually tried it in arena yet but fury is disgusting in BGs
I usually outdamage most other classes in relatively competitive random ones but I outdamaged by half a million at a temple of kotmogu and wasn't dying at all, even playing with arms conduits by accident
just didn't feel as squishy as I thought it would
I'm not sure the burst is good enough for arenas, the way I play it anyway, but it's quite fun as necro
like I can't imagine myself outdamaging 2 charges of serenity/lay on hands that priests have now
I don't know, seems worth experimenting with, has potential I think if people min-max it

[steep inlet]

Just did one session I do not care atm

I don’t know why

My passion is low atm

and I did all my objectives in s2

[paper heath]

Guys, is warrior just giga squishy now?

[tawny elm]

is the vers budget on the new season items a bit lower?

[sharp meteor]

kinda. need good parry value.

[sharp meteor]

i don't think so?

also friends remember to check honor vendor

u can get 2h str haste sword

and haste badge

[tight relic]

what do kyrian warrior play? forglite?

[sharp meteor]

auto stun kind of super important now ya

[sharp meteor]

rmp is actually so disgusting

anybody else messes up a single trinket and they're toast

rmp yolo trinketing and blocking shit because they have like 20 buttons to press

and literally can't die for like 8 minutes into anything other than like jungle

[whole laurel]

Does anyone have a link to the actual tier pieces and their secondary stat allocation? I can't find it on wowhead

[undone pumice]

why does jgl beat rmp

[sharp meteor]

dmg profile and mage can't control the cat

rogue/mage can't as easily run from or control hunter ranged dmg or feral bleeds

sac stops bust, feral can incap goes, priest cds are big, idk it's just

usually at least a decent pick

[undone pumice]

so top camps are jgl and rmp

everything else just worse?

[sharp meteor]

idk stuff is still getting figured out

for all we know the best comp ends up being like ret/outlaw/mw or frostmage/demo/mw

right now jungle and rmp just

especially jungle

[undone pumice]

but when rmp leads the meta by its cock, and jgl counters rmp

[sharp meteor]

just kind of batshit insane

[undone pumice]

it seems it will stay this way until some major adjustments rool out and everyone gets 2x leg and 4pc

[sharp meteor]

i wouldn't even be upset by rmp damage if the comp could die

but right now it just feels like they can't unless they get bored by not winning on the second go and start randomly burning trinkets

[undone pumice]

i cannot imagine an arena lasting more than 3 minutes

[tawny elm]

Think I had 100 vers on chest and bought honor gear and full upgraded it was like 80 ish :/

[sharp meteor]

oh honor gear is slightly diff distribution ye but that's fine vers lost some value this patch what with trinket change

[tawny elm]

Aha

[nimble jasper]

jungle and mirrors

only comps it feels like you cant yolo trinket vs

[main copper]

Hunters are still the bane of my existence this season. I almost don't mind rmp.

[sharp meteor]

just gotta have every bolt go really count

and cross feral in some way

[plain wing]

I mean realistically will i be able to catch up ehen im unbanned on the 21st? Ill be 3 vaults behind everyone, behind on conq gear, and behind on 2 weeks worth of rep for double leggo. Debating on if its even worth coming back or if i should just fold

[sharp meteor]

bro u could start a fresh char in 8 months and get glad on it

[plain wing]

Like fuck man. Actually sad as fuck.

[sharp meteor]

idk what this "falling behind" meme is LMAO

[plain wing]

Its gonna be impossible to get into lfg

And i will have 2 weeks of no double leggo, like 5 pieces behind on gear, and no tier

Idk man. Just rough. Ill be having to play with whoever will take me in lfg

[nimble jasper]

isnt double lego just from campaign

🤔

psure you only miss unity on alternate slot

[raw summit]

stop making yourself feel miserable about the game in advance

really doesnt help

[crystal moon]

i can't upgrade my honor pieces to 6 or 7 yet i'm renown 80. am i missing something?

[main copper]

Pick up the quest from the covenant and go back to oribos

[crystal moon]

ty mate

[fickle forge]

At best, you can be even with RMP. Nobody beats it straight up.

[nimble jasper]

psure jungle beats rmp

but NA jungles are worse than EU ones

[raw summit]

idk i feel like i die so bad rn

but necro still cranks

[undone pumice]

venthyr fury cranks

[steep inlet]

🙄

[quasi lotus]

Ndogo was preaching the truth this whole time and we rejected his message

[undone pumice]

venthyr fury is fun

and has bis anims

[quasi lotus]

Calm your darth maul cosplay down

[undone pumice]

nono

i cosplay this

[nimble jasper]

the healer was just his friend

no way it was a boost

[undone pumice]

why ndogo so hated man

[quasi lotus]

He's not, I love Ndogo

[nimble jasper]

@undone pumice tbh reminds me of some healer i knew once

[paper heath]

Yeah I've been reading about this Ndogo guy, what's up with that haha

[nimble jasper]

claims didnt get a boost

[quasi lotus]

he's just got a few memeworthy quotes

[nimble jasper]

just happened to know a 3k warrior

and go up 250 cr going even

[undone pumice]

i love ndogo

i love ndogo

who do i remind u of @nimble jasper

[nimble jasper]

uh no one in particular

[undone pumice]

i swear im not ndogo im not alliance

[sharp meteor]

i like the guy on the forums who livestreamed himself getting selfplayed by russians from 2100 to 2700 in one session

[undone pumice]

[sharp meteor]

and doesn't queue again after that

[quasi lotus]

I did viewer games with Trille once and won every game but it wasn't a boost me and trille are best friends

[nimble jasper]

viewer 2s

with prio for subs

[sharp meteor]

yeah legal rmt

[nimble jasper]

are basically indirect boosts

change my mind

[quasi lotus]

who prio's subs?

[undone pumice]

yep

everyone?

[quasi lotus]

I not seen that tbh but fuck watching WoW streamers

used to watch Trille + Joefernandes and didn't see that shit tho

[nimble jasper]

idk viewer 2s shit is weird to me in general

everyone tryna copy pika

[undone pumice]

2s is shit*

[quasi lotus]

Entertainment innit

[nimble jasper]

cant blame em dude makes bank stomping 1600 2s

all day

[quasi lotus]

People watch pika crack memes and 1v2 1600 players

[spice hornet]

if sub wasnt as broken as it was

[quasi lotus]

People watch Joe flame the fuck out of 1600 shamans and call them piss

[nimble jasper]

drainer flame

is the most entertaining

[quasi lotus]

Ye but drainer does it to r1 players not 1600 randoms

Dunno if hes ever said a nice thing about zhrey

[nimble jasper]

ill watch drainer tell tren to stop feeding

“oh btw”

[undone pumice]

i love watching random people at 1800 with 10 viewers completely flame people in lfg

[nimble jasper]

“we’re competing in awc together”

xd

[undone pumice]

yooo

[near delta]

I remember when I had to beat pika giving a viewer carry to get my first duelist. A real rite of passage.

[sharp meteor]

actually got my elite set in 3s this season vs pika i pre-intervened the sheep on me then soaked the resonators on my partner

[nimble jasper]

hes played 3s this season?

@sharp meteor also wild to me how kubzy manages to pick up any class

and reach top of ladder with it in a week

[sage raptor]

Hax

[undone pumice]

almost like hes good idk

[hasty sky]

Wich is the kyrian pvp soulbinds and conduit ?

[nimble jasper]

yeah then you got shit like phorlock

[sharp meteor]

yeah queued into his warr on the last day of the season

super close loss after 11 minutes, then healer swapped to her mw and got eaten in 2 minutes

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk this man just out of nowhere

3.6 ww war with chun and flop

[sharp meteor]

"run at rsham" "bu-but it's flop"

[nimble jasper]

end of season was big funny

mag implying most ret warrs were terrible at the game

[sharp meteor]

i feel like most things that were good into retwarr weren't popular

or got eaten by other stuff harder

[nimble jasper]

he did say

shouldnt consistently get farmed by rmp

“anyone stops the setup we’re fine”

“stop jungle cc im still dying anyway”

[graceful quarry]

rnt u busy progging

or is awc later

[raw summit]

Awc is march 18th

Yall got time

[nimble jasper]

what i meant as a quote

not me

[nimble jasper]

added quotes for clarity

cuz i meant they were competing together with cerva iirc

[graceful quarry]

ew

cervantrat

[spice hornet]

dont q today

its just r1's giving limit players pvp boosts

[near delta]

Thanks for the heads up

[sharp meteor]

yeah i have queued into like 5 of those

[spice hornet]

so cringe

[sharp meteor]

its mostly the rmps jungles etc that were 3200+ last season that's hard to deal with

also playing melee cleaves into havoc feels like

not great

[spice hornet]

they gotta fix the 90% dodge

blur'

omg im tired of being the kill target every game

no fun

[near delta]

DHs are tankier. Weird world.

[spice hornet]

oh yeah and been seeing a lot of WW again

and they are doing 5k+ dps while running half the game

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor jpc trying to play rmp 2 days ago was comedy

never seen an rmp opener that doesnt get at least one trinket

[sharp meteor]

i do like the tilt openers

it's like bladestorm db banner then disarm rogue

they fling out random block trinket or bust to try to force it

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk

so many rogue mages if you disarm rogue on big opener

90% chance he trinkets

[azure willow]

is it only me or the meta atm is super boring ? in 2s especially

[spice hornet]

yeah dont q 2s

its not fun as warrior

right now

[nimble jasper]

2s has never been balanced

[azure willow]

i know but it's just boring like i dont feel u can make many plays

[nimble jasper]

2s is not exactly an interesting bracket

[mystic burrow]

what cosmic trinket is best for arms?

[spice hornet]

cosmic gladiators assassinationReroller

[near delta]

Feels really satisfying when you win though

[mystic burrow]

im asking about the new deal trinkets

[nimble jasper]

devouring maledict

and put it in bis macro

[near delta]

Has anyone had a chance to try eternal aegis vs rm?

[spice hornet]

no everyone got baited by resonator an got fucked when it was nerfed

[near delta]

Lmao that's what I thought

[spice hornet]

my buddy did buy it on an alt tho

[near delta]

At least the quest is weekly

[spice hornet]

hes a healer

but its not good for just the healer to run it

so his dumbass was getting 10 sec poly'd

like 8 sec hoj'd

it was not fun

it was pissing me off

[near delta]

I mean the one that aborbs magic damm

[spice hornet]

but for sure if 3 people were running it, it would prob be really annoying

ohh

[near delta]

And can be used in a stun

Seems pretty poggers for combust goes

[sharp meteor]

so isolated resonator with spear is solid

cc alternating thing has potential

and aegis looks good

cc immunity one looks troll

malediction looks niche

[nimble jasper]

the 20% longer might be ok

for human healer

into some comps

[sharp meteor]

queued into a frost maage playing it

very scary

[near delta]

Destro locks too

[ionic gazelle]

resonator pure garbage after nerf

only usable for RM/RP

[sharp meteor]

yeah i prefer badge/insignia

too hard to get isolated spear

[fickle forge]

I'd pick the magic absorb one for now tbh

Not ideal against every comp, but the others are sort of meh rn

[warped warren]

magic absorb into assa

and rm

or dh

[undone pumice]

most classes deal magic dam

just go BM for other classes

[near delta]

And ret

[raw summit]

I picked magic BM yet to try it though

Hoping is eats a Coombust

[tight totem]

When did it get nerfed?

[nimble jasper]

it effectively does @raw summit

altho bust has a 1min cd

if mage isnt an idiot

resonator cant crit anymore

[raw summit]

ZERO mages i face are good

[nimble jasper]

and 18% nerf

you wont fight good mages

until at least 2.2

[raw summit]

enough time to get gear

[warm quiver]

Finally qued on my warrior. Double necro ret/warr seems to slap harder after patch.

[frank knoll]

What do y’all think AWC will look like

[spice hornet]

rmp junglke

[nimble jasper]

prob just jungle

i doubt rmp beats triple aegis jungle

jungle just wins off pve dam

[frank knoll]

What about Ret/warr TSG or Shadow play

[raw summit]

I think itll be as boring as last time

[frank knoll]

I queue into that shit all of the time

[raw summit]

Tsg shit imo

[nimble jasper]

jungle prob eats ret warr

now by training war

lmfao

prob not on na cuz there isnt a good na jungle competing

unless nuked has been practicing hunter

[frank knoll]

Is GG playing Thug

[spice hornet]

yep

[nimble jasper]

cuz their team has fuse

[spice hornet]

jungle just wear pouch into ret warr now cause they know warrior gonna get fucked too hard

[nimble jasper]

curney kalvish nuked fuse

so if nuked has been doing hunter practice maybe jungle with fuse

idk what rating donothingwin is on ladder tho

[raw summit]

It's so weird u get glad and elite Set tmog same time

Tbh

[near delta]

Agreed. Getting all those mogs at the same time was weird.

[sharp meteor]

luv it

[nimble jasper]

the rogue set is kinda clean

[sharp meteor]

ya

[nimble jasper]

the warrior set tho…

lmfao

whos mans

[sharp meteor]

imagine dying to this

[nimble jasper]

whats your dagger

[sharp meteor]

sinister i think? its like the brown azerite one

[nimble jasper]

oh idk

same mog almost except i use soul eater

with mongoose

[raw summit]

Goin s2 elite + s3 elite pants + silver sl leveling belt + lightbringer tabard

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor btw

i hate how tabard is tucked in the back

kinda annoyong

yeah not a fan

[near delta]

I cant believe they just never fixed the s2 elite leather pants lol

[sharp meteor]

They did. Brown bit is gone.

[near delta]

Oh did they? It was still messed up last time I checked but it's been a while. Nice

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor guy in chat

saying rogue is squishy in pvp

[sharp meteor]

god i wish

[near delta]

God set bonus with all those extra overpowers will feel soooo good into rogue

[nimble jasper]

i mean i guess yoy cant facetank damage

but thats about it

[nimble jasper]

assuming you dont die to his giga empowered sepsis ticking

while he just kites

[near delta]

Just aeghis it

[nimble jasper]

shorter cd

[near delta]

Yeah lol

[nimble jasper]

and if healer dispels it late sepsis cd goes to 1min

[near delta]

Ummmm yikes

[nimble jasper]

yeah

also instantly triggers the nf lego

if dispelled early

@sharp meteor https://clips.twitch.tv/ArbitraryFantasticHornetRlyTho-2eqfDJ4vdBvDxZoq

[sharp meteor]

lmao

[near delta]

Lmfao

[thick reef]

LMAO

kalvish is funny af

[jaunty furnace]

Guys how do you get the different versions of the elite set for tmog

[lucid walrus]

should have the conquest recolor automatically

the others are from raid

[jaunty furnace]

No like there’s the brown version from the conquest vendor but in the collection tab there’s a black version of the same armor

[mighty fractal]

wtf is going on with this death sentence bug

[paper heath]

Death sentence bug?

[mighty fractal]

yeah it wont charge 90% of the time after first execute charge

nvm just read the patch note

6 sec cd

big RIP

[elder wigeon]

it's in the tooltip

death sentence is pretty fuckin bad now

[sage raptor]

Naw

[spice hornet]

it deos still have the bug where it executes but doesnt charge

i was boosting my bad freidn to 1600 in 2s rn and he DC'd and the other team just stood there and waited

nicest thing iever seen so i just left the game and let them have the win

[elder wigeon]

yup I fuckin hate it

[undone ermine]

What's the go against a BM hunter, I'm getting kited to shit and it feels like they're immune to snares.

[spice hornet]

afk otu of the game

fire mage shouldnt have alter time

[undone ermine]

It feels like this is the meta for them. 😦

[spice hornet]

it has been s2

and itll be even worse when they have pouch andcraven

[undone ermine]

So it's not just me, that's comforting. I feel like I have no options when I play against them, if I target the healer I get pounded and if I go after the BM nothing I do can keep them pinned down if they're even half awake.

[spice hornet]

if they are good they are essentially untouchable

usually his rdruid partner wioll spam root you on DR as well while he dps you so theres 0 hope

[undone ermine]

Fair and balanced. 😐

On another note, I made a prediction a while back that we'd see more Outlaw rogues this season and that seems true. I've seen more in the last week than I did all last season.

[mystic barn]

only seen one outlaw so far

[lucid walrus]

haven't seen any yet

[undone ermine]

I've run into like 3 and seen a bunch in LFG aside; might just be an anomaly. XD

[spice hornet]

why can hunter feign camo rez pet

[sage raptor]

Because you touch yourself at night

[spice hornet]

mm concussive shot is broken

tooltip says 50%

but its doing like 70

my speed is 114

on 50% concussive is lowering it to 40%

[oblique mountain]

are warriors still getting their shit kciked in season 3, been out of town for like a week

[elder wigeon]

in 2's forsure

[sharp meteor]

mm has a talent that lets it slow by 70%

[sharp meteor]

in 2s yeah it's the hunter bracket now

[undone ermine]

But we totally needed that D-Stance and Death Sentence nerf guys. 100%.

[fierce elm]

yes, we did

[spice hornet]

i like how there are assassination rogues everywhere

like do these people just not play the game, see in the news that assassination is good, and then login?

[sharp meteor]

Ye?

[warped warren]

play fury with bloodrage and reckless abandon gg

[scarlet barn]

Play fury

Win

[warped warren]

get 2piece tier and perma raging blow charge

[scarlet barn]

Hard choice

[warped warren]

?

i have 200% winrate as fury

bloodrage removing venthyr root 📈

[sharp meteor]

🚀

[warped warren]

🚀

to the moooon

[sharp meteor]

also listening to my healers see necro fury for the first time is like

care friend if he's necro he gonna crab super hard for like 20 seconds

[lucid walrus]

anyone else not able to see other lfg listings while you're sitting in a listed group?

[sharp meteor]

"ill be fine"

[sharp meteor]

nope but i still see double listings when i app to stuff

[lucid walrus]

no as in you can't look at others?

[thorny knot]

try using venthyr flaglation with vendetta and start doing insane damage

[fickle forge]

Can't wait until Sepsis does 80k dmg 😎 👍

[undone ermine]

Is Fury actually better in pvp now?

[fickle forge]

No

[sharp meteor]

I don't think so.

We'll see, though. It could have potential.

[undone ermine]

I'm just struggling in 2s more than last season as Arms; but it might just be these LFG healers making me doubt myself.

[sharp meteor]

2s aren't fun as Arms right now imo

[undone ermine]

What's the issue? Like I know what you're saying but I don't know why I'm not having fun.

[sharp meteor]

BM is hard, Surv is impossible, Outlaw is hard, RM is annoying, Havoc can be hard.

[fickle forge]

Arms just isn't that good in 2s

Warr in general

[undone ermine]

I was wondering, because I feel like they're easier on my rogue (Outlaw).

[sharp meteor]

You just kind of get statchecked/kited and your utility/support isn't useful.

[fickle forge]

Plus the spec we had a somewhat okay time training down has been buffed into Olympus

Couldn't beat hunters and stuff before either, but you could at least always train down their priest partners

Not so easy now

[sharp meteor]

like hunter/rdruid is just kms

[undone ermine]

Can Hpriest still do that stupid Brez?

[fickle forge]

On themselves yes

I've lost quite a few times by now by killing priest and have him ress into greater fade into insta top with serenity

😎 👍

[sharp meteor]

It kills them.

[undone ermine]

During the offseason last week I had them rezzing their DPS as well.

[sharp meteor]

If you mean the legendary just don't hit their partner.

So they pop back up with 5% hp and die instantly

[undone ermine]

They'd hit afterlife, rez their DPS and come back with the leggo or something.

[sharp meteor]

They need to heal in spirit I think to get health back, so if their partner is topped when they pretend die then you sit on your hands for 15

they pop up with 5% hp and die for real

at least that's how it went twice earlier

[lucid walrus]

we're just worse now into what we were bad into. in general as well

[fickle forge]

Prob is, they'll just fade

Any priest who knows they're about to exploit their ress lego shouldn't be putting fade on cd beforehand at least

[undone ermine]

One thing I'm not clear on; do they have to heal to get the self-rez? Does overhealing count?

[sharp meteor]

self rez happens regardless but they seem to need to heal an ally to not pop up with no health

[undone ermine]

Good to know I guess; still cancerous.

[nimble jasper]

@undone ermine outlaw is free win into bm in 2s

you just train him

and watch the guy flail about confused

unsure what to do

[fickle forge]

You can track his stacks when he's in angel form

Number of stacks = % he'll pop up with

[undone ermine]

That's helpful, does overhealing count towards stacks?

[white briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/942046240760275006/950686682863255592/tempFileForShare_20220308-102823.jpg

Feels Arms man

[elder wigeon]

what's up with this?

[white briar]

26 games of Outlaw/Rdruid vs Arms/Rdruid and Arms has not won a single one. Different people etc so probably not just noise. But idk anyone who's played arms/rdruid into outlaw/rdruid this season?

[raw summit]

@nimble jasper opinon on that matchup?

[lucid walrus]

outlaw probably just outrotates yeah?

disarm for wb, evade for avatar etc etc

still strange nobody landed a big game-winning crit

[white briar]

Probably a bit of p-hacking going on. Like, if you look at enough matchups you'll eventually find something pretty funky. So it will likely even out a little bit with more games, but this is still pretty extreme.

[lucid walrus]

yeah, it's still a very small sample size. i can't imagine that it's genuinely impossible for arms/rdruid to beat outlaw

[elder wigeon]

at the highest ratings it's probably 90% in favor of outlaw

[raw summit]

outlaw eats us from my experience

cant really hit them

[lucid walrus]

this is true

closer you get to peak the more shifted it gets

[raw summit]

id bet the best way to go about it is to try kyrian x2 bomb the druid or smth

[elder wigeon]

kekw

[raw summit]

not that that works either

[elder wigeon]

just press tranq 4head

[raw summit]

surrender if cant do that ig

[elder wigeon]

war definitely B tier this time around

for 2's

I'm comfortable with saying warrior is A tier in 3's

[raw summit]

seems like a fair position

[fickle forge]

No

[tired portal]

luduslabs is back for anyone who didnt know

https://luduslabs.org/2v2-comps

[lucid walrus]

geebs is the founder lol

[fickle forge]

100% for arms/Rdruid but 53% for arms/Rsham? 🤔

Also, love your work

Time to roll with Rsham/HPriest I guess

Friendship with Rdruid has ended. Now Purge is my new best friend

[main copper]

My Disc Priest is rocking Holy now. Things are gucci, until hunters.

2v2 that is.

[white briar]

Yeah it's pretty weird, but I think a lot counters are really obvious when healers are the same. I would expect it to change a bit for sure, but assuming random sampling etc there's only a 6% chance that the real win rate is below 90%.

[fickle forge]

I'm gonna assume that Rsham teams perma purge Rdruid and then they train him down

But big time countered by rogues now?

[white briar]

I got killed by a venthyr sub rogue through banner the other day. Felt like a kid wrestling his dad

[fickle forge]

😎 👍

Outplayed

[white briar]

He then proceeded to tbag me. Genuinely traumatising.

[fickle forge]

Warr+Rsham loses to destro???

What kind of dark age is this

[frail solar]

Yo guys is pvp first week just much harder or is it the combination between nerf+1st week xD I get my ass slapped so many times xD

Just started end of s2 pvp and it felt much easier to get 2100 in 2s 😮

[white briar]

Like 5 people above 2400 cr in 2s. Will take a while to reach steady state. Also warriors are def getting clapped by a bunch of things.

[lucid walrus]

end of s2 was extremely inflated. we haven't seen that yet, let alone had everyone settle into their spot on the ladder

[frail solar]

Ah thanks mate, so it’s not just my imagination

[warped warren]

how do you win tho against wl???

[fickle forge]

I guess you don't

Which is weird, cause how can destro ever cast with warr+Rsham in the game

[cosmic crag]

Its not so much the destro

But the combination with hpriest

[elder wigeon]

pretty much, it's a testament to how nuts hpriest is in 2's currently

[warped warren]

by pressing an ability !

[fickle forge]

😮

[warped warren]

double coils, fear spam chastice, sf

faced chas and some boosted wlock yesterday

[fickle forge]

"Alright press coil+chastise in 3.. 2.. 1.. good job man!"

[warped warren]

he literally just spammed shadowburn and conflags whole game

i was perma rooted inbetween bolts

[fickle forge]

Rooted? 🤔

[warped warren]

rdruid

🤔

[fickle forge]

^

The chastise casting Rdruid

[warped warren]

yea, swap chastice

with root, bash, clone, vortex

im juat saying wlock is a piece of shit class

[fickle forge]

Tfw Rdruid just camps stealth for 10 sec and waits for his lock to start casting CB before raking you 😎 👍

[warped warren]

ye

i did indeed forget to play bloodrage tho

maybe couldve won

[quasi lotus]

What on earth you play instead

[thick reef]

The death sentence nerf was probably good for the state of arena and was needed but damn the d stance changes really feel like shit lol

[frank knoll]

I think a 10% nerf to dstance was the wrong move

[fickle forge]

https://twitter.com/revololwarrior/status/1500857514103087115?s=21

Revo 🤬 (@Revololwarrior)

Here is the clip :) - 23k flesh, cen ward at 100%, bark + NS at 50%, dstance entire time. Very nice. https://t.co/zhdX3L4dfp

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 3:34 PM

😎 👍

[frank knoll]

A 15% nerf would’ve been much better