pvp

[lucid walrus]

yessir

[finite fox]

Agreed on misleading other videos are starting to come out now with actual pvp combat and I think it has a chance

I think it depends on the comp as well I don’t think in 2s it has a real chance in higher mmr but 3s it for sure will if you run with like a hunter or something that can do solid sustain damage that applies mortal wounds

[plain wing]

tbh

if you play tank in pvp, you're cringe

[jaunty furnace]

Heard fury is going to be really good in 2s for 9.2 that true?

[plain wing]

yea

just get a 3.2k rated r druid

and it'll be super good

[undone pumice]

[near delta]

Seaney moves

[finite fox]

Tank play is only good because you know it makes the other team scream at their computer when they see it

Like just to be a menace I want to run prot war prot pal and like feral or survival hunter

[near delta]

With convoke feral for extra tilt?

[finite fox]

I see you also share my desire to cause the salt levels to rise

[plain wing]

honor not resetting with new season - huge for alts or catchup in general

will be nice to easily get a 2nd weapon for fury

[gritty bough]

Hating this can’t pick what to play first, prot, fury or arms, spend most time in 3s fury hurts conq, prot seems sketchy arms feels clunky 😂😅

[vital breach]

Arms legendary is Enduring Blow ? What you think about Battlelord ?

[severe skiff]

does what enduring does but worse

[lucid walrus]

i’d like for it to be the best option but we don’t really have rage issues. feel like the lower cost proc on MS might cuck our tactician set bonus too

[elder wigeon]

battlelord is nice but enduring blow has a solid interaction with the tier set

[smoky tapir]

How much honor does it take to catch up?

[sharp meteor]

Idk but get 15k for tuesday when honor gear gets put on vendor

[jaunty furnace]

Why send to alts instead of using your stockpile for the new season gear on your main 🤔

[plain wing]

I already have duelist gear on my main

[jaunty furnace]

What ilvl will the new honor gear be anyone know?

Just the base items without upgrades

[olive owl]

what legendries do you guys tihnk are looking the best for fury warrior in arena?

[elder wigeon]

Deathmaker is really good

[sharp meteor]

I'll probably go signet.

Maybe sephuz.

[elder wigeon]

nah fuck that noise

[jaunty furnace]

Guys the quest for solo shuffle is up!!

[gritty bough]

can we queue it yet, got the quest but cant see the queue

[sage raptor]

Did someone get pummeled by a blood dk?

[dusty saddle]

holy shit

trying out feral, makes me appreciate how simple warrior is

who are these feral mains out there

[sage raptor]

"People" literally don't have a life. Like, how can you balance work/school and also learn feral?

[undone pumice]

theyre einsteins children

[plain wing]

@sage raptor only played a bdk once and i won'

no healin if u stay outta melee range huehue'

[sage raptor]

They'll find a way

[sage raptor]

They always do

...

[jaunty furnace]

What ilvl will the base honor gear be next season

[plain wing]

203

239 pvp ilvl

[plain wing]

warmode is fune

just getting 3 v 1d over and over

good game

alli is super good

[nimble jasper]

most people dont know how to do anything besides press voke tbh

[plain wing]

whats the conversion from conquest to gold

like is it even worth buying boxes for alts

or just saving conquest for gold

[earnest thorn]

pretty sure you make more gold by buying boxes and vendoring the items lol

[scarlet barn]

Im proud

[raw summit]

Good work razonko

[grand scaffold]

buy conq boxes

its like 1 silver for 1 conq

but that may not be accurate

[undone pumice]

its 0

[grand scaffold]

nah

when season ends

your conq goes away

and you get small currency for it

[undone pumice]

spend

[elder wigeon]

not worth, you can't upgrade old gear

[cold totem]

idk

imma stick with warrior its pretty fun

xD

[undone pumice]

im supposed to do solo shuffle

but i cant q for it?

[grand scaffold]

i dont think it exists yet

[undone pumice]

why do i get the quest then

shit game

[bright warren]

Will conquest boxes be back this patch my warrior breathen?

[elder wigeon]

probably not for several weeks I'm guessing but who knows

would be kinda cheese to have them first week

[undone pumice]

it would be funny tho

i love gambling and getting 7 belts in a row or a 2h on my first box

[sand shadow]

From the way Blizzard said it, Conquest will be, once again capped, and stay that way until some future point in time, where they feel it no longer makes sense. Likewise, boxes are unlikely (though not explicitly stated as such) to be available for at least 2 months, imo

[elder wigeon]

yup likely will come with the creation engine or whatever it's called

same with uncapping conquest

[fickle forge]

It's meant as a catchup, so prob won't be there for time

Hoping we'll have a double season this time around though

[cold totem]

okay first pvp match where I truly felt the dstance nerf

jesuschrist

[elder wigeon]

you'll feel it more and more

i tested the tier set for warrior, pretty underwhelming

[cold totem]

im honestly thinking not using dstance

[elder wigeon]

pretty hard to maintain high uptime on pile on, the 2 set is the strongest addition, I think the 4 piece is definitely worth having, it's just not as strong as the 2 piece

[cold totem]

which set parts?

helmet chest hand and legs?

[elder wigeon]

there's 5 tier set slots, you just need to equip 2 of the 5 pieces

Helm, chest, legs, shoulders and gauntlets

you can forego one of the pieces you only need to equip 4 and I wouldn't recommend equipping more than 4, you definitely could get better stats elsewhere

pvp wise, everything but the helmet and shoulders have shit stats

personally I'd probably make unity on ring and make enduring blow on belt since neither are tier slots and having unity on ring allows for stacking double haste or crit

but that's just me and what I've thought of, nothing's set in stone and some other warriors might have better ideas

[cold totem]

Im taking notes

any tips for playing ret war?

[elder wigeon]

tons, anything specific?

[cold totem]

we having trouble against dh's

and we cross cc

with his hammer on healer

should we play close to their healer so he can hammer more often

Oh and im dealing less damage than retri

[elder wigeon]

what comp you fighting?

[cold totem]

havoc

ww

[elder wigeon]

yeah you're gonna deal less damage than your ret if he has a brain

ww dh? hmm probably gonna be hard to go healer but the biggest thing is bolting dh when you hoj healer, if it's an rdruid, it's gonna be hard but if it's any other healer then you can probably get away with it and use your go on the healer unless the dh has like no CD's

ret war slaughters healers that aren't an rdruid, and even if they are, you can use hoj to go the druid, you just have a lot to go through if you are, but it can be useful to force them to use ironbark or overgrowth on themselves and maybe even force a tranquility

rdruid's are a little squishier now that frenzied regen got nerfed a bit but they're still pretty durable

the unfortunate thing about ww dh is that you have to deal with rop and disarm from the monk unless your healer can cross the monk too

[cold totem]

this is gold

thanks a lot

and against jungle?

im trying to stop the frozen trap

from the survi

[elder wigeon]

go priest if they're not going you, if they're going you, you don't really have that much of a chance going healer, you're forced to go hunter and feral, your ret can hit what he wants but you can't really overextend and you have to just play to live, which is going to be extra hard this patch with d-stance getting nerfed

warbanner is definitely nice for getting traps but you're not going to be able to use it for that if you're going healer, most jungles go warrior so you can play close enough to your healer to banner at least some traps in that case, otherwise it's very strong for offensive goes because they can't peel you off their priest

if going priest, let your ret hoj the healer and it's your job to bolt the feral so he can't root/clone/heal

if you're going hunter, your ret should be able to get hoj's on the healer at least sometimes, if not, use hoj to punish out of line/overextended hunters/ferals

bolt always on hunter though if you're getting trained

it's hard to catch them, i like bolting hunters when they freedom themselves

[cold totem]

im screenshoting this for my team

[elder wigeon]

feel free, I know some ret wars play slightly different, but it's just how my team plays and we've had pretty good success

[cold totem]

I watched your clips on youtube

Pretty solid

[elder wigeon]

wish I got to play more with my main team, my ret's in college for cs and it eats most of his time

through the season my main team probably only got to play about a dozen times lmao

of course I was qing with other friends and people i've met but not as much as I could've/should've

[knotty tangle]

@elder wigeon is it hardest for ret war when jungle goes warrior or ret pala?

[elder wigeon]

warrior for sure

[cold totem]

Sad to hear that, im back at pvp because friends wanted to play

We tried hunter rogue priest, didnt like it. Too much setup/opener dependent

[elder wigeon]

ret is bait for lower jungles all the higher jungles go warrior because if you control the warrior and put pressure on them then the offense of the comp is really hindered

[cold totem]

Or we were just bad

[knotty tangle]

Bicmex loves thug. But he is really good

[elder wigeon]

bicmex is a monster

definitely the best survival hunter out there

[knotty tangle]

And tbh, rogue only really got thug and rmp to play with this patch

After sp nerfs

[elder wigeon]

RPS

assassination is fried

[knotty tangle]

But sp is hard nerfed

And hunter got omega buff

[elder wigeon]

ehh not that bad

[knotty tangle]

With kill shot not breaking cc

[elder wigeon]

you can still fast md every trap as sp and the damage nerf to the necro legendary isn't of any serious consequence

you can still run another dps lego kek

or hell, another utility one like the shadow mend legendary

[knotty tangle]

Fuck that one lmao

[elder wigeon]

every minute you get a "get out of jail free" shadow mend

[knotty tangle]

Hope i get to play some 3s this ssn, but my partner dosnt like randoms

[elder wigeon]

sometimes you find really cool people

[cold totem]

Is Duel a good talent against LSD?

[jaunty furnace]

there’s no way to transfer honor gear over the alts correct? Only the conquest stuff

[cold totem]

Nope

Should I fear monk when he uses the copies cd?

[undone pumice]

are we 1000%

sure honor doesnt get thanosd

[steep inlet]

y

[undone pumice]

idk if i buy marks of hgonor or keep it

because idk if we keep honor

[green sleet]

we do keep it

[warped warren]

we do

there was a bluepost

https://www.wowhead.com/news/honor-points-will-not-reset-at-the-start-of-shadowlands-season-3-326106?webhook

[undone pumice]

how do i know when a good time to swap is?

[grand scaffold]

depends on the comp

if they use a big defensive swap

if they have a lot of hots

swap

then swap back

[undone pumice]

so like evade, dbts, blessing of sacrifice(BoF?)

[grand scaffold]

well

through sac still hit

but idk

why tf is arms still better than fury

i dont get it

i was playing fury

doing dmg

i go arms

still do dmg

but i dont die

why tf is it more durable

[raw summit]

Parry is better

[grand scaffold]

i mean sure

but is that it?

[raw summit]

Dstance is the warpain equivalent

Banner is big

Thats why id give arm a slight edge

Also waaay better cleave

[grand scaffold]

so sad

[raw summit]

Id say the gap is smaller though

[steep inlet]

You forgot ignore pain cost nothing as arms too

And almost impossible to use as fury

[grand scaffold]

i hope set bonus gonna make fury better than arms

but arms set bonus isnt bad either

15% strength a bit nutty still

is deathsentence still used as arms?

[raw summit]

It's worse but fine

[steep inlet]

Fury set is insane

If they don’t nerf it

[grand scaffold]

yeah it is insane

but

is it enough to outway playing arms

[steep inlet]

nobody knows atm

[raw summit]

I think sharpen is just better than fury ms

And thats what Tips the scale as both will be slapped

[grand scaffold]

yeah

idk

[raw summit]

We'll see

Hope wari stays good

[grand scaffold]

if warrior becomes bad ima still stick to it

only class ive hit high cr on

[undone pumice]

just go like

rogue idk

[grand scaffold]

i play rogue

fun class

assa boring tho

[undone pumice]

dont go assa

[grand scaffold]

if i was to play another class i would go ret or surv hutner

[raw summit]

Assa is a training wheels rogue spec

Ret is funish

Till you get shackle'd

[grand scaffold]

i like warrior type classes

[raw summit]

Dk is fine but a bit bedge

[undone pumice]

the only other class i myself on is frost or ww

[raw summit]

Im gonna play dps DK in raid most likely

[undone pumice]

don

[raw summit]

Till rl realizes how trash it is

And i can go warri again

[undone pumice]

tbh like

i do not want to play other than warrior

im hardlocked on warrior

[raw summit]

Im not fully locked but cant see myself on non plate

Cuz of all the effort i put in my tmog collection

And then on idk cloth i have nothing good

And that makes me sadge

[undone pumice]

like frost is just as braindead

[raw summit]

Frost is warrior but trash

No execute

[undone pumice]

the thing is good cloth transmog is so much easier than good plate transmog

[raw summit]

I have a good cloth one

[undone pumice]

i pray for mail users tho

[raw summit]

But i cba farming it out

[undone pumice]

poor fellas

[raw summit]

Mail is fucking tricky

Sooo many trash pieces

[undone pumice]

mail is only sham and hunter right

[raw summit]

But randomly some pieces OWN

Leather i got no exp on

[undone pumice]

like does ur armor class even matter anymore

[raw summit]

Other than slutmog

[raw summit]

Well if ur non plate u take more dam from wari

[undone pumice]

i dont see a difference between a clothie and a plater getting executed for 25k eitherway

maybe 400 dmg diff

[grand scaffold]

what

are

yo

on

about

if i do a big execute on cloth i can hit 40k

warrior not taking more than 25k like you said

plate is 30%

on dmg

[undone pumice]

idk it feels weird as hell

[grand scaffold]

and cloth is 15%

yeah

[raw summit]

Like you die to a big exe either way

[undone pumice]

sometimes i get hit for like 35k

[raw summit]

But clothies more often

[undone pumice]

then i see my clotgie heaker get hit for 38k by the same guy

[grand scaffold]

if you playing with a priest

they have 30% less dmg from melee

[undone pumice]

like is he just not critting my healer?

[grand scaffold]

is he a priest?

[undone pumice]

it doesnt have to be a healer

like any random clothie

[grand scaffold]

well

lock takes low dmg from melee

same as plate

[raw summit]

Lock has that talent though

[undone pumice]

why is lock so tanky tho wtf

[raw summit]

10% more Armour

[grand scaffold]

sp takes 25% less dmg from melee

^

and priest healers take 45% less

[undone pumice]

like 68k hp

[raw summit]

Sp flops over with bad defensive use though

[undone pumice]

huge absorb

[grand scaffold]

well my warrior has 70k hp

yeah

[raw summit]

Ye 70k lock is dogshit

[undone pumice]

and big armor

[grand scaffold]

locks are tanky

locks need like 80 now

[undone pumice]

why the clothie tanky

[grand scaffold]

70k demo lock is big tho

[undone pumice]

why they making clothies tanky and platers squishier

???

[grand scaffold]

i would tell you if i knew

but blizzard is whack

[raw summit]

Cuz lock is just a purple mage

And mage is the main character

[undone pumice]

me when blizzard says class identity but makes the plate wearers squishier

[grand scaffold]

mages are main characters

thats why they never get properly nerfed

[grand scaffold]

fire mages arent that tanky tbh

arcane are the hardest to kill

[raw summit]

Yes they are?

[grand scaffold]

as a melee

not really

you get cauterize they die

[raw summit]

Good mages are giga hard to kill

[grand scaffold]

yeah

maybe good ones

[raw summit]

Caut and they are on the other side of the map

[grand scaffold]

but its rare to find a good one

[raw summit]

Good mages arent 2400

[grand scaffold]

^

[raw summit]

They were 3500

[grand scaffold]

thats true

[raw summit]

That's what's annoying

Loosing to dhs as bad as me

Dhs*

[grand scaffold]

dh, hunter, mage, and rogue

are classes that are always gonna be viable

and top tier

atleast 1 spec

[undone pumice]

actually

[raw summit]

Not dh

[undone pumice]

havoc was pretty shit s1 imo

in 2s at least

[grand scaffold]

still did mad dmg

[undone pumice]

ok, but it was just a worse warrior then

now its just better warrior

[grand scaffold]

yeah

but they werent bad

[undone pumice]

the problem with the trifecta of the 3 autists, arms, frost and havoc is

theyre all just worse or better warrior

[grand scaffold]

frost dk is ass tbh

[undone pumice]

yeah

its worse warrior right now

in wrath it wasnt

[raw summit]

Both dk specs

Are ass

[grand scaffold]

no

dk is not a warrior type class

its a support class

warrior is well

warrior

[undone pumice]

its just as braindead wdym

warrior is also a support class

[grand scaffold]

no it isnt

[undone pumice]

intervene and rally

[grand scaffold]

so

thats 2 things

dk

you have to grip people

and slow them

thats the main thing thats good about them

[undone pumice]

is that any different from piercing howl

or fear

chains of ice and howla re both 70%

[grand scaffold]

uhm

yeah it is different

chains has no cd

howl also has a lower range

dk in rbg's

has 1 job

slow people and grip them

in arena

its to keep them in 1 spot

so the other dps can go ham

and

the healer can freecast

warriors job is the following

crank dmg

stay alive

and keep party members alive with intervene and rally

as well as stop burst

thats all

dk also has to keep dps of of healers

and low dps partners

left that out mb

[raw summit]

Do Setups are annoying

Cuz u only really do dam if u chill streak

[grand scaffold]

✅

[grand scaffold]

dk's this xpac

[cold totem]

oof

[warped warren]

and this is?

[cold totem]

pvp dps ranking

xD

[sharp meteor]

hm

[warped warren]

ranking what?

[plain wing]

war mode is so not fucking fun

its just like 1 v 3 ing alli

in zereth mortis always

then the rogue that is ganking with 2 other people

think he has a big dick

and is actually a fucking smootho

[cold totem]

win rate and shit

[warped warren]

221 what

[cold totem]

idk i just use it for popularity

[raw summit]

That's not the point of it

[warped warren]

what is this site even

[cold totem]

WOWMETA

[warped warren]

lmao

its like noxxic

or w.e

[full quiver]

@plain wing how old r u

[plain wing]

27

fucking rogue in war mode

i pop all cd's

he juist evasions

runs

then pops his load

and kills me in stuns with cd's

like what the fuck

[cold totem]

yup

[warped warren]

ye so dogshit

[plain wing]

WEHAT THE FUCK

IM JUST GETTING GANKE DBY 2 ROGUES

WHO ARE FART EMOTING ME

LIKE BRO

YOU ARE 2 V 1 A WARRIOR

[raw summit]

Hahahaga

[plain wing]

ARE YOU FUICKING RETARDED

yo uthink youre good?

[raw summit]

Get fucked lmao

[plain wing]

god that is such fucking cringe small dick energy

fucking fall on a knife fucking cringe ass rogue playuers.

[raw summit]

Small dick energy is playing with WM on

Noone does it

[plain wing]

i mean

i wanna prcatice

but yea i just die to every rogue

[raw summit]

Practice in 2s now

[plain wing]

like i int throw out all cd's

disarm

[raw summit]

Offseason

[plain wing]

bladestorm

fear

parry

[raw summit]

Dont lose cr

[plain wing]

blow my cd's

[raw summit]

Ezpz

[plain wing]

they run away

[raw summit]

Thatll also happen in arenas

So just play arena

[plain wing]

WHAT THE FUCK IM TUNNELING

THESE FUCKING MSMOOTOHJ AS LF;UCKING RETARDSD

[warped warren]

have you tried not to?

[raw summit]

Get ur wb disarmed

Spear ava

Clap em

(theyll still evasion but they cant do it infintely)

[quasi lotus]

how is warmode practice

[nimble jasper]

bruin mald saga

started early

legendary

[plain wing]

LIKE WHY THE FUCK AAM I JUST

tunneling

opanic responding

dont know what the fuck to do

rogues just fuck me

[raw summit]

Since when do you pvp

[plain wing]

all i do

and rage

cuz i tunnel spam react to rogues

and dont hit the right shit ever

[nimble jasper]

bruin acting like rogue evasioning his cds

isnt the correct play

lmao

the class is built around re's

[plain wing]

so like what the fuck do i do

can never kill them

i just overlap defensives etc

[raw summit]

You kill their healer then

Aka go queue Arena

[nimble jasper]

idk not pop every cd while man has trinket evasion maybe

rogue is literally built around getting cds then running away till stun dr is up

[plain wing]

like this dude

is following me and my m8 for 20 minutes

ganking

doesnt help that i cant do shit.

[nimble jasper]

how are you getting 1v2ed

lmao

[plain wing]

therse more here

he'll wait till we arent together etc

[nimble jasper]

yeah thats how you're supposed to do it

wpvp is for degens anyway

q arena

[plain wing]

bruh

im literally playing so fucking bad

I CANT DO SHIT

I JUST TUNNEL

AND SIT ON ALL MY CC

AND THROW IT OUT AT THE WORST FUCKING TIMES

LIKE WHAT THE FUCK

PERMA STUNNED

INTO BLIND

INTO CANT DO SHIT

OH I POP CD'S

[cold totem]

chill mate

[plain wing]

HE EVASION

AND RUINS

RUNS

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU

DO

[raw summit]

You queue arena

That's what you do

[grand scaffold]

hey bruin, i know you can easily get 2.4k just because of how determined you are to play arena

but a change in mindset is probably best thing to do

instead of getting tilted

[raw summit]

Being enraged irl

[grand scaffold]

just take a 5 min break

[raw summit]

Infact doesnt provide a damage Bonus equal to mastery

[grand scaffold]

lift some weights

i think you can get the hang of it you just need to calm down a bit

do you q on eu or na

[plain wing]

na

but im rusty as fuck havent done arena in a long time

[grand scaffold]

see

[plain wing]

few weeks

[grand scaffold]

that may be part of it

you might be rusty

[plain wing]

im fucking smooth braining reacting to shit and popping all my cc and defensives at completely wrong times

and tunneling so fucking hard

[grand scaffold]

bro listen

you are not smooth brained

[plain wing]

alike no fucking shot

im tunneling so fucking hard

cannot even process whats happening

[grand scaffold]

ok how about this

[plain wing]

and respond correclty.

[grand scaffold]

post gameplay

and ill respond to whats going wrong

post like 4 games

of different comps you struggle against

also i heard you talking bout fury earlier are you trying fury because if you on a new spec thats a whole other thing

[graceful quarry]

what the fuck am i reading

[raw summit]

yeah

[graceful quarry]

yeah

[scarlet barn]

Dont ask ndogo for review

If you want to get better

[wheat jay]

Stormforged Ndogo when?

[quasi lotus]

higher rated than Afro check

exp on both arms and fury in pvp check

lets go stormforged Ndogo

[wheat jay]

Yep

Man provides help, support

Has exp needed

[graceful quarry]

@knotty atlas can we get stormforged ndogo, he is active and gives advice

[warped warren]

hello?? why is ndogo not yellow?

arguably the most helpful member in this section

[cold totem]

DH's do more pressure than me

What could I do?

[raw summit]

stormbolt their eyebeam

disarm them

dont stack with healer

[wheat jay]

Disarm does nothing

They can vault it afaik

[warped warren]

if you play the talent ye

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, glimpse lets you remove disarm.

[warped warren]

you disarm most of the haste duration from the beam

[sharp meteor]

Demonic, too, meaning empowered abilities like annihilate and death sweep.

[cold totem]

So disarm eye beam

I was using disarm on his meta

and it didnt matter

Thanks for the tips

[full quiver]

Kick eyebeam

Lol

[sharp meteor]

Meta is just a long sustained damage cd so you're trying to stagger stuff out to peel it and avoid overlapping or overacting immediately because, well, it does last quite a while

[wheat jay]

Unless they vault :(

[warped warren]

playing glimpse into warrior

[full quiver]

Glimpse every sb

[thick reef]

wich spec is better for pvp fury or arms

[raw summit]

thats not clear yet

try both and play what u like more

[wheat jay]

🎣

[sharp meteor]

can't wait to get removed by both teammates when i load into the arena as fury

[thick reef]

why

[wheat jay]

/afk instantly lmao

[sharp meteor]

maybe it'll be fine 🙏

[raw summit]

fury was the worse spec and with spec strenght being all up in the air still people just assume ehh fury is gonna be trash again

[thick reef]

haha okey

[raw summit]

once we know whats better ladder will know soon after

[sage raptor]

I think the same thing when an arms warrior shit talks lol

Good job, you played the easiest spec and got a free 40k execute. Shame you still lost.

[warped warren]

sounds like l2p issue to me

[sage raptor]

l2p?

[sharp meteor]

ya like don't get executed for 40k lmao

[sage raptor]

Well if they hit an execute for 40k and still lost, that's their issue.

[warped warren]

yea like i said

l2p issue

[wheat jay]

There's too many shit warriors that dont press hamstring or sweeping

@full quiver right scoob?

[warped warren]

+1

[sharp meteor]

wow toxic

and yeah the state of the ladder when warrs in glad range aren't hitting piercing or hamstring

can't wait to see eu crack 4k cr this season

[warped warren]

fury broken oR??!?!

[wheat jay]

Raiku and whaaz boutta get 4k?

[wheat jay]

You're just that good man

[warped warren]

[nimble jasper]

https://twitter.com/tonyferalmovies/status/1497147780023787525?s=21

Tonyferalmovies (@tonyferalmovies)

Hello @WarcraftDevs I wanna say thx you for your big job rn and focus you on > over nerf if its possible. Right now boomy, ferals, gonna die without chance, i feel like 37,5% realy needed fix on 27,5% nerf, its realy to much, im AWC winner I don't know if you will take my advice https://t.co/j08DcNx2DX

Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 9:53 AM

feral players in shambles

when they cant just afk in bear form for 30 secs

[warped warren]

HAHAH

[sharp meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

the whole round of changes were kind of brutal

[warped warren]

"im AWC winner" lmao lives full go from rmp with passive frenzy alone

in cat form

[sharp meteor]

pre-bear and frenzying a go is good but holy FK does that thing heal for a lot

[warped warren]

well

[nimble jasper]

I really enjoyed last season

[warped warren]

when you can sit cat form and live anything

with auto frenzy alone

is cringe

[nimble jasper]

watching druids live through double maledict

[warped warren]

and that

xd

[nimble jasper]

10% double maledict

[sharp meteor]

raid boss kot

[nimble jasper]

oh look

topped

[elder wigeon]

Just adaptive swarm the frenzy regens and play barkskin legendary

Impossible to die

[nimble jasper]

the fact that druids were able to just

heal THROUGH mindgames

uhhhh

[sharp meteor]

i remember sharpening an rdruid at 32% and he topped himself to 100% a second later

like oh

[elder wigeon]

Rdruids are disgusting

[sharp meteor]

oh well curious to see how dstance and frenzy nerfs play out

[nimble jasper]

rdruids are basically paladins

with more mobility mana

and not suspectible to cc

[sharp meteor]

probably playing mw turb and just living until every other healer is tapped in 2 mins because lmao mana nerfs

[elder wigeon]

D stance nerfs are rough

[sharp meteor]

ya im scared

[sage raptor]

Silencing a druid should prevent them from changing forms in pvp.

[steep inlet]

i really think dstance is dead

not worth pressing it

coz u loose too much dmg for a shitty 10% reduce

[sharp meteor]

if u don't press u just die tho lmaooo

oh well makes fury a bit more appealing

[nimble cypress]

played yesterday just a bit for fun to try out the changes. Jungle forced me to always trinket parry opener and then healer needed to trinket follow up cc to somehow top me. (2700mmr)
Not gonna lie never felt that squishy. I mean Healer was disc priest, who also seem to struggle now. Normally radiance healed quite a bit more it seemed like

[sharp meteor]

yeah jungle was already scary and i think we just die when they get second leggo

wonder if feral dies now though

[nimble cypress]

dunno, will have to try it out. But they always can just kite

well at least my dk partner will never again have to worry that some comp will go on him xD

[muted ice]

arms still good in pvp and rbg?

[elder wigeon]

yes still good just not S tier

[muted ice]

what is S tier anymorer

and what covenant do you run on arms

[elder wigeon]

Kyrian is the best currently

S tier would be ret for sure, we'll see more as the meta develops but ret is absolutely S tier confirmed

[graceful quarry]

that sounds like propaganda

[elder wigeon]

no THAT sounds like propaganda

[graceful quarry]

idk man

ret seems p bad to me

[elder wigeon]

literal lies

[graceful quarry]

limit max ranked the tier set as swamp ass

[elder wigeon]

yes pve = pvp

[graceful quarry]

so its official

[elder wigeon]

50% chance to get a free wake every art of war proc is super bad

[graceful quarry]

if ur a dh that equation is correct

[sharp meteor]

ah yes the raider tier list

[elder wigeon]

arms tier set is swamp ass in terms of fun

but it's decent

[graceful quarry]

but its rly stronk

[elder wigeon]

it's decent

[warped warren]

xd

[elder wigeon]

fury tier set is much stronger and actually more fun

[warped warren]

ya obv much stronger

[graceful quarry]

but then u would have to play fury

[elder wigeon]

why does fury get all the fun :(

[graceful quarry]

lowkey if ur a necro ret with 2 leggos

u cant max range fv during burst

cause divine storm wont hit

science proves, ret bad

[elder wigeon]

why would you even run fv

literally better

[graceful quarry]

r u high

[elder wigeon]

you're literally a blender

[near delta]

It'd be funny if now enh has to carry in turbo

[graceful quarry]

fv is more dmg

[elder wigeon]

not cleave dmg

[near delta]

Wtf

[elder wigeon]

tempest will fuck into cleaves

[graceful quarry]

who cares abt cleave when ur one job is to 100-0 someone

[elder wigeon]

bruh

this isn't 1800 where you 1 deag people all the time

[near delta]

Is that target capped or are RBGs gonna be ret aids for days

[graceful quarry]

you can quote me

nobody is gonna play tempest

[elder wigeon]

I'm not gonna quote you my ret partner is going to play that into cleaves because it's a lot of damage

[graceful quarry]

he will run it for some sessions until he realizes its p meh

[elder wigeon]

fv is better for ST

but if you're cleaving and especially cleaving pets, it's bis

[graceful quarry]

unless u plan to use divine storm 99% of the game

its just

really bad

[elder wigeon]

you tend to divine storm a lot when playing necrolord

[graceful quarry]

every 30s

u get 2 free ones

[elder wigeon]

how often are you tving

this isn't pve

[graceful quarry]

more than twice per 30sec

tbh

[elder wigeon]

not that much more, every ret who's worth their salt, their ds and tv damage are equal

[graceful quarry]

i mean, u will see ppl wont run it

when ssn starts

[elder wigeon]

dude people are dumb they don't experiment and find out what's actually good

see how long it took to find out kyrian druid + necro dps is beyond broken?

[sharp meteor]

yeah but stuff got loosened up so people can finally kind of swap around now so might see more stuff get discovered at an earlier time

every dh was like nah dude only nf and only chaos theory nothing else can possibly work nope

[elder wigeon]

p much

[graceful quarry]

ye bc swapping required 2 weeks before covs got freed

[elder wigeon]

dude it took many months after it was free to do so

[lucid walrus]

necro dh wasn't realized until we were at least midseason

[elder wigeon]

all I'm saying is, don't just look at paper and decide it's not good, you have to try and play different things

[graceful quarry]

have you tried the glory leggo

[elder wigeon]

No I haven't

but I know people who have

and i trust their judgement because they're just as good or better than me

[graceful quarry]

and i assume they said its shit

[elder wigeon]

for arms it's trash

[sharp meteor]

i played necro dh immediatley after they allowed for swapping because i went to level it in comp stomp and then i popped into dh disc and there was like one person shilling it and he was 2k or something

[elder wigeon]

glory on ptr for fury is pretty cracked

[sharp meteor]

eventually he convinced tren and it trickled down

[graceful quarry]

ye cause fury perma extends

[sharp meteor]

seems neat for fury and might actually get nerfed

[graceful quarry]

if enough uptime

[sharp meteor]

because its all scary in pve

[elder wigeon]

fury ret war might be scary as fuck lmao

[graceful quarry]

but u dont need a scientist to look at some leggos n say

ye thats p scuffed

[elder wigeon]

yeah idk man

[warped warren]

didnt they just buff kyrian and after that, ppl started playing it?

[elder wigeon]

they made it less shit but it's still shit

[near delta]

Rukako the prophet

[shell raft]

So if arms is being focused every fight, is the answer to play defensively or offensively?

[elder wigeon]

both, you can't just run around

pull them into positions that are more favorable and punish them

[near delta]

We caster positioning now

[near delta]

God that enh flame shock build is pumping without the set bonus

Took a couple 14k lava lashes lol

[jaunty furnace]

Why is the brawl an 42 minute Que time lmao

[gusty palm]

No1 wants to do that shit lol

[jaunty furnace]

[near delta]

Is the solo queue brawl gonna be active throughout the season or is it just gonna be a 2 week brawl every few months?

[sharp meteor]

just active i think

probably staarting tuesday

[spice hornet]

does anyone know if the new trinkets

come from a quest

kinda like the korthia one

or you have to buy them all

[elder wigeon]

there's a quest I believe, idk how it works though

the new trinkets aren't something warriors will run I don't think

[spice hornet]

the seasonal trinkets are always designed to benefit R/M the most

[elder wigeon]

kekw

[grand scaffold]

how many more weeks till we get set bonuses

[spice hornet]

tier sets?

[grand scaffold]

yah

[elder wigeon]

probably could get it when the raid opens up, if you're lucky

[grand scaffold]

when does the raid open up?

[spice hornet]

tuesday but only the first 8 bosses

if you pvp only, youre gonna have to pray you get tier set options in pvp vault

otherwise wait like7 more weeks and then you can craft like 1 piece of tier per week or somehtin

[elder wigeon]

i don't even think getting vault options this week matters, season 2 isn't over yet technically so we'll get unchained rewards

unless I'm wrong about that

[raw summit]

Coming reset

Mythic the one after that

[grand scaffold]

neat

[knotty tangle]

Vault this week is season 2 rewards, or you can pick 1500 flux. @elder wigeon

[elder wigeon]

yeah that's what I thought

[cold totem]

How do I get better ilvl conduits in pvp (aprt from the ones you can get from the vendor)?

Do I have to do ZM?

Because I only use my warrior for pvp

[grand scaffold]

yo

for fury when we get double legos

is kyrian or necro gonna be bis

by the seems of things

[undone pumice]

probably necro because fury can use glory 10x better

[grand scaffold]

yeah that was what i was thinking too

[pale talon]

hows arms now with the nerf to def and so on?

[fickle forge]

Still fine

[pale talon]

necro or kyr for 2s?

[fickle forge]

Most likely kyrian >= necro

[pale talon]

until 2 legos or?

[fickle forge]

When we get 2 legos

EB on kyrian is huge

[pale talon]

aye

Thanks for fb

[cold totem]

If I disarm a dk with abomination limb on

is it worth?

[unkempt dock]

Its only me, or now the war feels mid tier class , like they nerf warrior before the 2 lego to balance the class ..

[fickle forge]

Think that's only you

[sharp meteor]

I think that pillar is the priority, but during abom is usually when they send it.

[sharp meteor]

Not sure about unh, though.

[fickle forge]

UDK doesn't have an ideal moment to disarm in though, unless they play frenzy

[sharp meteor]

Usually orange line to pet is the tell that they're setting up.

So def send if they asphyx healer, empower pet, slappy hands, etc.

[tough compass]

Or just disarm when youre makeing a go, so they cant deathstrike

[sharp meteor]

Or that, yeah.

[cold totem]

Alright thanks for the tips guys!

[fickle forge]

Disarm their healer to show dominance

[sharp meteor]

Played disarm into frost/demo once because I zoned into the arena in combat, didn't have frames and partners joked that it was ret/warr again 💀

[cold totem]

Had the same problem with WW Lock

Just now

[sharp meteor]

It's like they said it was ret/warr and we talked about ret/warr strats then the gates open and it's frost/demo 💀 like oh

we won and i did disarm the mage before killing him but good grief

[cold totem]

disarm mage = extra 50% more dmg

xD

[sharp meteor]

also took it by mistake into a ww and disarmed him out of bolt during a spear so he couldn't parry

so one go was a defensive leg sweep then next he died

[cold totem]

wait is worth to disarm WW?

[sharp meteor]

i don't think so but i made the most of a questionable talent pick

[raw summit]

Cant

[sharp meteor]

MAYBE as an offensive pick

but in general feels too sketch, i usually run sharpen/duel/x into wws

and just try to duel their cds

like trinket fear one go, duel out, intervene some time during/after

or just space and if they don't cross then u duel and intervene for free

maybe bolt as well as it'll probably line up

[grand scaffold]

no

you cant disarm a ww

only thing it does is prevent fist of fury

[sharp meteor]

Fists requires a weapon.

[grand scaffold]

^

[cold totem]

I see

I need to practice Duel

[sharp meteor]

Like I said, maybe as a super aggro pick, but in general likely not worth.

[cold totem]

I don't know when to use it properly

I guess otuside of intervine?

intervene*

[sharp meteor]

Duel is super strong, just need to be aware that some people will turn and immediately ding you instead.

It's a 50% wall for a teammate on a 60s cd

from the targeted enemy

ISSUE is that if they turn and hit you then the reduction is gone, so in matchups where they run at you it'll be useless.

BUT forcing them to turn and hit you can nullify the go on your teammate.

[cold totem]

that's why im scared of

using it and being the focus all of a sudden with no defensives

and having a priority list in which one to use it when they use cd's

i have to work on that

[sharp meteor]

Parry is a good stop, but then there's just being aware that they could (and will) notice it and swap, so you either space, have cds ready or are otherwise prepared.

I duel a ret on their hammer then move away when they don't have freedom and they're basically forced to hit into my teammate.

[cold totem]

I see

I'm going to start using it more

Usually I was running storm of destruction

Thank you @sharp meteor

[sharp meteor]

super good pickup into high burst. just need to be aware of the swap thing. the higher you go the more people will swap, but a lot of people won't notice

i picked it so much into kitty and would just rotate my stuff on warr cds, like bolt into spear and then duel out

only way to keep my poor mw alive

[cold totem]

I'm a bit tilted with my ret

Because I have to do all the interrupt, stun, fear intervene etc etc

and he wants to zug zug

How do I deal more damage?

I'm aware of what happening around me

[sharp meteor]

you can coordinate kicks with "i get next next" or trying to call stuff ahead of time like i fear this go, bolt in 5, etc

[cold totem]

Like when they want to cc my healer and stuff

[sharp meteor]

dealing dam is usually being in battle as much as you can especially now

ret/warr does feel like playing support for your big unga bunga ret

ret needs to play somewhat supportive tho or you'll be in shambles

[cold totem]

yeah

[sharp meteor]

i don't think my ret pressed sac until 2700

we had a lot of issues with the bolt hoj goes because we generally play turbo which is fling bolt into one guy and slam his head in with cds lmao

[cold totem]

turbo sounds fun

Im using avatar + banner with wings

and thats 2 gcd

and if i have to disarm

i need to figure it out

[sharp meteor]

i think ret sends wings first

then u conq a few seconds in

as initial wings can bait cds

[cold totem]

today is not my day

getting ganbanged by dh's

my ret: you need to do more damage

me: dude im in dstance getting fucked in the ass by 2 dh's

xD

[sharp meteor]

i feel pretty relaxed playing dh into retwarr especially with an rdruid

just do 8k dps the whole game and one of them randomly dies

[cold totem]

We are almost 2k and we started playing pvp a week ago

We play holy

[sharp meteor]

hpriest retwarr? those are some big heals but have to be careful to avoid overlap i think

serenity plus wog on the same target has you in shambles if they swap off

[cold totem]

yes

Thanks Teapot

[sharp meteor]

I need to play retwarr more, my ret was still adjusting to not playing enh because he'd be like "I got next" then he'd trinket and realize he didn't have ground or holy power to negate the go

[cold totem]

Should my ret heal more or no?

[sharp meteor]

Hm, not sure. I find that it kind of depends on gamestate, sort of like dstance.

Trading favorably and using templar's verdict can put you ahead or force cds for "free".

Being even or behind and using heals can help stabilize, or being ahead and using wog can keep you safe

Like a wog during wings can instantly top one of you and potentially save a healer cd or mana

lemme see if i can find a healing breakdown of like a long match

hm in most of these matches the rets are tied with their warrs on healing

[cold totem]

Alright

[sharp meteor]

actually in one of these the ret did 2x the warrs healing but that was kind of a carry

[cold totem]

Ret zug zug Sadge

[sharp meteor]

also have seen ret do up to like 30% more dam than their warr in some of these matchups

although kind of depends on how cc and defensives are rotated around

i am generally more scared of wings and hammers than i am of w/e the warrior is up to

[cold totem]

Maybe im building wrong?

because iw as playing kyrian i went

versa crit

[grand scaffold]

stats are fine

what conduits are you using

[grand scaffold]

what lego are you using?

[scarlet barn]

You are only 55 renown

Gotta farm fam

[cold totem]

yeah i switched to necro

[cold totem]

eb

[grand scaffold]

well

all those seem fine

whats your ilvl

[cold totem]

245

my legendary is 225

[grand scaffold]

theres the issue

[cold totem]

because i want to make the new one

[grand scaffold]

thats low ilvl

[sharp meteor]

leggo ilev doesn't rly matter

[sharp meteor]

conduits look fine but i prefer piercing cdr in finesse on the bottom row on the right

ip one might be preferable now though heh can get quite a bit more out of the absorb if it doesn't immediately get broken

[scarlet barn]

Yea ilvl of leggo doesnt break your game

[scarlet barn]

But low renown cost you hp

[sharp meteor]

having a low thing here and there isn't a big deal but it does add up

[cold totem]

the hp difference from kyrian to necro i feelit

Because I had 80 renown as kyrian

[sharp meteor]

like ur gear looks fine it just needs rival upgrades lel

[cold totem]

I have 15k honor

[sharp meteor]

chally gear towards the end of a year long season everybody decked

[cold totem]

waiting for s3

[sharp meteor]

ya play is to wait yaya

unfortunate timing and whatnot because hard to get a feel for games when behind a tier or two in upgrades heh

[cold totem]

Im hard trying to learn my mistakes

and what to do vs x comp etc

I really like that part of gaming

[sharp meteor]

ya it's a fun time just kind of hard to figure out where things went wrong if u died to ambient dmg

because my third warr has 200 conduits and a 225 leggo but my gear is fully upgraded to duelist

but low conduits, low leggo, and playing 2+ tiers of gear upgrade down from most people you're queuing into is going to kind of skew matches against you

[cold totem]

zzzzzzzzzz

[warped warren]

?

[cold totem]

there is noway to stop the dh

doing that much dmg right?

[warped warren]

nop

[cold totem]

fuck

I could hear my healer sweating

[sharp meteor]

CRANKIN

[sharp meteor]

There kind of is, with kicks into eye beam, bolts into demonic and disarming out.

although idk if you can afford to send into dh

[jaunty furnace]

how you get better at eating traps for healer? Was getting flamed for not taking every single one

[sharp meteor]

LOL

i feel like i rarely see traps get eaten

[jaunty furnace]

Expected me to intervene all of them

[sharp meteor]

can sometimes reflect with misshapen if they don't cover you

yeah overwatch got pruned

[cold totem]

I do eat traps

depends on the arena too

[sharp meteor]

better strategy imo is to have a plan as to how you're gonna rotate stuff when they do eventually get a trap

like parry high or healer sacs it

or healer trinkets w/e

generally u get crossed on trap goes so your trinket to have a small chance of eating trap is scuffed

like main/bash you, intim healer, you trinket immediately as it's frenzy + bestial, vial to remove bleeds, then parry high for instance

[cold totem]

Copy that

Any useful macro for pet taunt?

[sharp meteor]

Lemme see if I can find one

/cast [@arenapet1,exists] taunt
/cast [@arenapet2,exists] taunt
/cast [@arenapet3,exists] taunt

there's also just having a mouseover taunt, or targeting and taunting