thanks for explaining obv stuff
#pvp
analog warren
elder wigeon
so then what's the problem?
do you want warriors to be punished for taking damage that they're already being punished for by.. dying?
10/10 is fair, 10/20 is not neither was 20/10 in bfa when d-stance was brain dead
analog warren
do you want warriors to be punished for taking damage that they're already being...
where you took that? all i said is 10-10 stupid decision, 20-20 is fine, if warr need nerf it shouldn't be def stance
elder wigeon
I think 20/20 was fine as well and not the area it needed nerfed, blizzard makes bad decisions really often and leaving it as 10/20 is heavy handed
not only a bad decision but heavy handed at that, it should be 10/10 if they are going to even try to remotely fix the problem it's causing
just tunnel a warrior and force them in d-stance, not only have you reduced their offensive pressure, but now they deal 20% less damage by virtue of being in d-stance which they now take a lot more damage in, teams already were tunneling warriors at high rating anyways
analog warren
just tunnel a warrior and force them in d-stance, not only have you reduced thei...
yup, and 10-10 is fair, but so low for even bothering going out
elder wigeon
I know I will, and everyone else I play with, dumb the game down, tunnel the warrior, they deal less damage and are pretty squishy now, and weee no more intervene
kill target can't be intervened if the kill target is the warrior anyways lmao
undone pumice
blizzard when they remove arms from the game
elder wigeon
it's just weird they've decided to do this now as a last season change
elder wigeon
in season 13, the last time they did something like this, warrior was not great and was rectified in season 14 and were great again
severe skiff
It was obvious they were going to use warrior to pretend they care about pvp balance by throwing something stupid at them
elder wigeon
i mean lets be honest here, warriors were the only ones severely effected by the changes
I watched magnus rage log and turn off his stream after doing some 2's earlier that looked completely hopeless
undone pumice
well yeah u just get 1 shot even hardern ow
severe skiff
I think its a combination of the few changes and the fact that arms is just getting a pretty bland set bonus, it's not going to "regain" any sort of power when set tier comes into play
undone pumice
fury just gains
elder wigeon
the tier set is kind of a "quality of life" tier set not really anything fun or exciting
steep inlet
almost did the same yesterday resune
in 3s
after 10 RMP 10 jungle
that obliterated me
tilted as fuck
elder wigeon
yeah I mean RMP is going to just murder warriors now too lol
severe skiff
Just feel like if I'm going to have to run away/exit a fight often I may as well play something with the tools to actually do that like WW
undone pumice
meanwhile im getting flamed in every call because i play the "easy spec thats busted op"
elder wigeon
say goodbye to badge boys and say hello to battlemaster trinket every game 
undone pumice
by a fire mage and a sub rogue
steep inlet
maybe short leap with triple leap and leave fight will be the play
elder wigeon
lmao
leaper will definitely be viable this patch due to double legendary with kyrian
elder wigeon
kekw
elder wigeon
we may have to
undone pumice
yes
cold totem
sadge
undone pumice
i never used badge kekw
i went insig almost every game
so if i dont want to think about it at all
what legendary do i get for kyrian
severe skiff
I mean its still 4+ weeks from double legendary so if you're not hurting for every bit of gold may as well just make spear if you're going to play kyrian from the start
undone pumice
i already have spear
and i am hurting for gold
might just go necro because i miss spear half the time or it gets eaten by geometry
formal creek
i may actually try fury, fuck this nerf 10/20 is idiotic
undone pumice
what slot do we get enduring blow on
raw summit
Dont go broke before 291
raw summit
and i am hurting for gold
.
undone pumice
what about a 262
raw summit
I wanna save you from getting a bobby token
undone pumice
235 costs
less than a 225
however
it consumes 85% of my gold
haste vers or crit vers
raw summit
Im not sure if they are linked
barren crane
There is a gold cap?
raw summit
9,999,999
barren crane
Holy balls
undone pumice
hes almost gold capped
but he says hes roleplaying as rogue with his financial state too
visual wigeon
Sorry if this has been asked a bunch but do we know if set bonuses will work in pvp for 9.2
undone pumice
probably will i think pretty sure
visual wigeon
Thats what i figured just didnt know if there was confirmation
raw summit
but he says hes roleplaying as rogue with his financial state too
Tell him to roleplay as a good family member 
undone pumice
does jailers gauntlet give renown
glass orchid
Tried a couple games today
glass orchid
Arms feels fucking unplayable
undone pumice
i use inky black in it already
glass orchid
Just get tunneled all game
raw summit
Arm bad 
undone pumice
go prot
glass orchid
Feel like i need to play with something with higher kill prio
Like destro warlock or something
raw summit
Nerf worse for 3s i assume
raw summit
So 2100 2s prolly still within reach for my pepega ass
raw summit
Oh right that's a spec
glass orchid
Fury feels aids playing into arms and feral and ww and hunter
But everything else is fair game
raw summit
Arms feelt better than fury previously
Like rotation wise
Since i main fury in m+/raid it's such a weird switch
undone pumice
like fury just gives me cancer
i ragecap so easily and battle trance is bugged with reckless abandon
glass orchid
Does battle trance not trigger?
With reck abandon
I guess we won’t have slot for reck abandon anyway
I mean battle trance
Since you gotta take MS, and Enrage pvp talent every game
And pretty much are forced to take disarm vs every melee
And root clear vs casters
fickle forge
Eyes on prot warr?
fickle forge
I'm sure you can hit harder, my PTR prot doesn't have Kevin nor empowered conduits
warped warren
afreeka turtle cleave man
wheat jay
<@!291636646225379328> KFC with prot warr?
lol sure\
warped warren
ofc it is
steep inlet
100% sure ? fak
warped warren
yes lmao
fickle forge
Train healer 😎 👍
steep inlet
we tried but still very hard mode
fickle forge
I recommend training harder 
barren crane
Don't worry guys blizz will realize their mistake and revert nerf 
warped warren
scarlet barn
full quiver
Lol I think prot war tsg and ret war will be nasty
Just banner/debuff bot for your big damage daddy
ashen obsidian
yeah.... ret pally can easily carry dps in teams
full quiver
Perma banner uptime with necro ret tier set randomly one shotting peeps
ashen obsidian
was hitting 20K executes as prot warrior with decent gear
warped warren
´fo sho fo sho
wet scarab
wait are you guys trolling or is this for real because I'm fucking there for it
unintended consequence of def stance nerf
all warriors go tank and thus never die
what is dead may never die
ashen obsidian
what is dead may never die
near delta
leaper will definitely be viable this patch due to double legendary with kyrian
I called it. But didn't think it'd be sad.
worthy fern
The problem is prot war does die
near delta
Tanks take 60% increased damage in arena anyway right?
Or whatever can't find an official value
full quiver
prot pala never felt particularly squishy
wet scarab
what leggo would you use for necro prot
wet scarab
maybe reprisal into melee teams or signet, and spell reflect or leaper into casters
morale killer would be great in melee cleaves
imagine thunderstruck with unstoppable force against demon hunters
root with no DR and 50% cd reduction
lol you also have a permanent kick with no cd if you use it right
interrupt UA, soulrot and deathbolt
imagine fighting spriests as prot
with talented shield bash
oppressor for goes with a ret or turbo
bodyguard is a better intervene
we can make this work guys
fickle forge
Perma kick?
wet scarab
shield bash pvp talent
wet scarab
ah shit I thought it was the same as before
carry on
haven't played prot since wrath
BUT 15% damage reduction on deathbolt or other caster nukes
and resets cd if it's during a cast
it's a 10 sec cd too so you can keep it up during scary goes
warpath with leaper against hunters sounds fun too
near delta
This is a dumb idea but could reprisal with a shield swap macro be good as arms?
wet scarab
for what purpose
near delta
Everytime you intervene it procs shield block for 4 seconds
green sleet
You wouldn't get much value
near delta
Does it actually block all melee attacks for 6 seconds like the tooltip says or just a few?
Another parry on a 16 second cd doesn't sound that bad
green sleet
If you wanted to shield swap you could use shield block anyway and won't waste intervene or charge
ashen obsidian
wow are we really discussing arms warriors with shields.?! incredible
plain wing
hey, arms is the master of all weapons XD
green sleet
I mean you could but you could macro shield swap block then intervene and keep a leggo
near delta
Yeah probably best just to macro it in lol and save a leggo
ashen obsidian
hey, arms is the master of all weapons XD
apparently!
near delta
I mean might as well try shield block literally free
And just a pita to set up and use
steep inlet
At this point btw
Prot is shit
It need full 9.2 set
To do competitive dmgs
Now we stick fury and arms
plain wing
You realize fury is the same way right
Only gets super strong with tier synergy
Aka in like 8 weeks
raw summit
So we gonna be a clapper??
nimble jasper
takes you 8 weeks to get a 4set?
plain wing
nah
wet scarab
necro prot can actually use glory more effectively in a melee cleave situation
plain wing
the pve raider 9.2 huge doc
google sheet*
estimates most people will have it around the 6-8 week window
steep inlet
I know bruin
plain wing
as the raider sheet obviously assumes
nimble jasper
same idea
wet scarab
I didn't raid all season and got jaithys in my second ever kelthuzad kill so I'm counting on an early tier set bonus
plain wing
i cant tell if youre trolling
dom shards are completely different drop system than tier tokens
tier tokens are guarenteed drops in raid
whether you're the one that gets it - thats a diff question
nimble jasper
and theres 3 sources for tier from vaulte
wet scarab
wonder how a buffed dragon charge does compared to the hunt in damage
plain wing
but yea people full clearing will have 4 piece around the 6-8 week mark
Not sure if you're not raiding
where that'll put you
wet scarab
well you'll still be getting potentially tier sets from doing pvp?
in the vault that is
plain wing
ehhh not reliably
nimble jasper
only vault initially
wet scarab
yeah so you climb early and hope for the best
plain wing
if you're just pvping I wouldnt expect to have a full 4 piece until 1.5 months+ into the new season
atleast
wet scarab
how? it's the same chance for a vault drop outside of raid
so if you aren't clearing early, which most people won't be
nimble jasper
no raid drops
plain wing
what?
wet scarab
so the raid opens, and you get tier items as drops, possibly, from bosses, right?
wet scarab
if you aren't in a raiding guild and are just pvping, you still can get it if you unlock 3 pvp slots in the vault
with a decent chance
right?
plain wing
way way way lower
fierce elm
What was it, 12.5% if you had 3 slots?
wet scarab
yes but it's still earlier than if you aren't a heroic raider, no?
fierce elm
40% if you had all 9 or something
plain wing
@wet scarab raiders will get tier faster
wet scarab
not debating faster, debating earlier
fierce elm
Raiders will get tier earlier
wet scarab
this is with the assumption that they're clearing heroic raid?
wet scarab
does tier set drop in normal raid?
fierce elm
It drops in every raid difficulry
fierce elm
Yes
plain wing
early season
plain wing
Eh not really
wet scarab
good thing I signed up for the roster this season
plain wing
I'd argue theres a good handful around 2100-2400 that raid hardcore as well
nimble jasper
more like
plain wing
Like look at trill whose gonna be funneled loot for race to world first
nimble jasper
1800-2100
plain wing
and literally have 4 piece immediately
plain wing
I cant wait to watch the clips of it hahaha
when he has 4 piece like right off the bat
wet scarab
I mean raiding culture is a lot different now, we used to raid like 4 nights a week back in vanilla, tbc, wrath, seems more people are doing 1 or 2 nights now
plain wing
and is pushing arena after rw1
wet scarab
so you can push both easily
plain wing
liquid baby
but yea gonna be funny to see trill fucking blast with 4 piece
like 2 weeks into season
nimble jasper
dew's team is one of the weaker ones
plain wing
cant wait for the wow daily clips
ashen obsidian
dont they timegqate a ton of progression anyway?
plain wing
there's gonna be a super super weird 3+ weeks where arena is gonna be so fucking wild.... the window where like a lot of people have the 4 pc, but a lot still don't..... gonna be toxic
nimble jasper
then last 3
well
c9 is supposedly not competing as a team
and nick is still banned
so thats two of the top teams out
forgot
prob tbc
kubzy playing highest war on NA ladder
was pretty funny
nimble jasper
there's gonna be a super super weird 3+ weeks where arena is gonna be so fucking...
I'm looking forward to you writing mald essays in here
when the season comes
plain wing
@nimble jasper I prolly wont really pvp until I have 4 pc
especially if arms is as week as it looks
plain wing
and fury is the move
Yea, ill pvp prolly first 1-2weeks
then take a break or something
do pve
plain wing
yea i dont really have any input, im still a pvp noob so i just listen to what others say
so i hope its still good!
minor vector
squishy or not arms will be fine, and fury's looking a bit more viable
definitely not taking over though
minor vector
100%
ashen obsidian
fury is fun... but if you dont land that initial kill... its scary
minor vector
we'll just have to see how the meta goes
near delta
prob tbc
Was really wondering how chan was gonna just not play retail for like 5 months then drop into awc again lol
Method NA too stronk imo
wet scarab
didn't they get buffed a lot in pvp across the board?
nimble jasper
their mana still sucks
near delta
They're going to get full tier pieces on tourney realm right?
near delta
And necro hpal was so supposed to be pretty good
wet scarab
ah true
minor vector
6% buff then didn't they nerf their mana with the rest of them
near delta
Also drake is now an r1 feral too which will be interesting
nimble jasper
s1 hpal was so toxic but
the changes are kinda
wat
drake played rogue this season i thought
wet scarab
question, I didn't get on the PTR, are we going to be doing mixing and matching with pve gear amid the vers nerf?
nimble jasper
gbg stronk
near delta
Ye
wet scarab
or sticking to pvp vendors
near delta
Drake was r1 on rogue, feral, and arms
minor vector
probably not, vers as a stat is just too strong to give up
especially with defensive nerfs
nimble jasper
i forgot what his feral was named
nimble jasper
oh he q'ed it at the end yeah
plain wing
what is the beginning of a season like?
Constantly queuing into super good players since everyone is at same cr and mmr
?
minor vector
wild west for a few weeks
steep inlet
Yes Bruin
3800 players at 2300 2400 basically
played Blizo maro Cara etc in every season beginnings
plain wing
but i mean climbing to 1800 lets say
fucking stressed
dont trust my abilities
at all
full quiver
lol probably not if climbing to 2100 was hard
wet scarab
yeah you might want to let the chips fall in the first few weeks and do pve for a while
it's pretty easy to climb to 1600 early on if you're decent then you start hitting walls
nimble jasper
1800 is pretty chill
full quiver
lol
can't wait to try and knock out 2100 and get dumpstered by rogues
trinket one go
die in duel
near delta
can't wait to try and knock out 2100 and get dumpstered by rogues
Don't forget the jungles
wet scarab
there might be a bit of a swing towards more 2s in the early days to get the max conduits
only way to get them all in pvp is elite I think
full quiver
yeah i was wondering about that
lucid walrus
what is the beginning of a season like?
the depths
it’s where you’ll learn a lot if you’re receptive though
plain wing
@lucid walrus feel like im not receptive though... cuz i tunnel hard and am not aware so its hard to learn what im doing wrong/how to improve ya know
wet scarab
you gotta work on that to get better
get high before arena games or w/e
my disc priest seems to perform better when he does lol
but for real being calm under pressure is a good skill to have, arena or otherwise
and it's a muscle you work on
gloomy beacon
Heck even in life lol
full quiver
yeah better practice it before you get drafted into ww3
plain wing
ah fuck
near delta
yeah better practice it before you get drafted into ww3
Too damn old over here lol
raw summit
yeah better practice it before you get drafted into ww3
dont remind me
i wanna be a warior not go to war
wet scarab
most of the kyrian druids I was playing with in the late season were practicing necro and night fae again
they felt the nerf just made it not worth it anymore
that along with the vers nerf might make necro DHs a bit more tolerable
warm quiver
Well the vers went from 8% to 3 % right. They didn’t need the 15% dam buff when you hit link did they.
wet scarab
I want to use it because I got the chain mace weapon mog from ZM yesterday
and it's a 1H
it's also blue which goes perfectly with Barricade of Eternity
finite fox
Wtf is this prot warrior shenanigans lolol
finite fox
Just saw supatease video
ashen obsidian
he leeching from this chat?
sharp meteor
supa warr 
finite fox
Maybe? He is doing 55k crits but on a dummy
ashen obsidian
lol
wet scarab
no external buffs!
full quiver
supa tryna to get my shit nerfed
but kyrian is not the way
it's definitely necro prot with perma banner
ashen obsidian
100
sharp meteor
every time i wonder if prot is viable i look up memphis and he's arms 
ashen obsidian
he still learning too
sharp meteor
I'll probably craft a ghetto glory and try prot later today 
it has been a hot minute
ashen obsidian
caster cleave is a death sentence though
wet scarab
leaper leggo vs caster cleave
sharp meteor
uptime isn't the issue
wet scarab
and perma 15% dmg reduction with shield bash
sharp meteor
also probably run at healer
ashen obsidian
and perma 15% dmg reduction with shield bash
cleave though... the 15% is for one of the casters
sharp meteor
shield bash aimed shot? 
steep inlet
is he here ? :D
ashen obsidian
supa out here lurking
finite fox
it's definitely necro prot with perma banner
I mean 25% crit damage kinda big for prot not sure if perma banner will be better since it’s about getting big meaty chunks every burst window
sharp meteor
25% crit damage?
finite fox
Yea?
sharp meteor
Elysian has been 15% for a few months.
finite fox
Oh haven’t noticed my b
sharp meteor
You've also got a lot of lockdown with prot, not sure if it needs spear.
Although with spear you could perma root some teams
at least during their cds
which could b funni
near delta
The secret is out boys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmAxi5Ymya0
sharp meteor
supa clickbait featuring target dummy tests on the ptr with full gear
still gonna try prot but good grief
near delta
supa clickbait <:keks:936231610850897992> featuring target dummy tests on the p...
He's mastered his baiting skills
finite fox
Yea I did think the dummy was a bad comparison he should have went into arenas
nimble jasper
supafat
sharp meteor
ptr arenas vs 1400 mmr players
nimble jasper
He's mastered his baiting skills
bajheera still clickbait king
“insane 45-0 rampage”
dont look at my 4 pocket heals
plz and ty
finite fox
ptr arenas vs 1400 mmr players <:keks:936231610850897992>
I mean Skill is irrelevant I want to see how he’s it hits with vers scaling
sharp meteor
every time i see bajh die in bgs he leaves
glossy island
Prot hitting people one shots out here
nimble jasper
every time i see bajh die in bgs he leaves <:keks:936231610850897992>
hes like the k/d sweaties in fps games
but in wow bgs
nimble jasper
I mean Skill is irrelevant I want to see how he’s it hits with vers scaling
skill is relevant
near delta
bajheera still clickbait king
Truuu
finite fox
actual good players will actually press wall
You can burst more often than they can wall
nimble jasper
uhh
sharp meteor
I mean Skill is irrelevant I want to see how he’s it hits with vers scaling
yeah skill isn't relevant what happens vs people who don't press their buttons or even notice what spec you are is actually representative of what'll happen in actual games
nimble jasper
wall/kite/externals
cc
brb gonna play ret war in 1600 games
and say most op comp in game cuz no one presses buttons
till after they get dinged
sharp meteor
can hop on any spec stack modifiers and insta-ding some gamer dad in the depths
near delta
Weird he didn't at least show a skirm game or something lol
sharp meteor
i think without playing it that prot is just too small of a ball of stats to work, but maybe
finite fox
Lmfao Yal are wild we weren’t talking about “how viable is prot war” never once was that mentioned I simply said I wanted to see how hard it hit with verse scaling
sharp meteor
because takes so much extra dam
nimble jasper
man last season when i was helping a ret pve friend with 1800 it was the best @sharp meteor
just triple kill teams on ww
cuz no one presses buttons
sharp meteor
yeah i played bm and just ate somebody by the second trap every game
in hindsight wish we just played double ret
nimble jasper
granted i was checking a stream last night
they q into a 2.7 jungle
where no one uses a trinket into combust tricks bomb blades opener
and priest trinkets at 20%
sharp meteor
gonna be so whack queuing up on tuesday with no idea of what dam looks like
my priest said he can't get queues
nimble jasper
“do you think this priest actually decides to trinket high this time”
sharp meteor
10 minute wait to queue into smexxin
sharp meteor
thinkin about the fire mages who are going to die through alter 18s cd db ray serenety caut seed and priest rez
like hey can we stop buffing the best comp for like one season ty
nimble jasper
ngl its so cringe watching
jungles die to rmp in opener tho
like
hardcounter comp
sharp meteor
yeah then dh turns and does 11k dps to your face
near delta
yeah then dh turns and does 11k dps to your face
Not if you leaper away
sharp meteor
leaper
near delta
I'm just imagining playing Prot as a legit bouncer lmao
sharp meteor
If prot didn't have kneecapped dmg modifier I think it could have potential.
I swear it'd just take too much dmg to be playable but maybe not
sharp meteor
I remember in legion accidentally queuing for a bg as prot then asking on forums if it was viable and people are like nah bro that's trolling
I check ladder at end of s7 and like 9 of the top 15 players are the same prot/arms/mw team
nimble jasper
ahh the dekel/memphis/jbg mancleave special
sharp meteor
just queued into memphis and jbg the other day
we killed each others shaman and played a rly dull 2v2
lucid walrus
I'm just imagining playing Prot as a legit bouncer lmao
a team played bdk/demo to glad last seas
was talked about in here not long ago, watched my friend play into it
worldly grail
Arms is the only option for pvp right? Even for solo bgs/open world?
sharp meteor
Fury was okay and that's probably still the case
Fuuuuck why'd they nerf dstance aaaaa
ashen obsidian
too OP
sharp meteor
it wasn't aaaaa
lucid walrus
fury looks less bad now
ashen obsidian
both dps specs need serious babysitting
lucid walrus
if only bc the gap between them closed a little
sharp meteor
40g for a 210 leggo ring, neat
wet scarab
I queued into a prot warrior healer in 2s about a couple of months ago, not sure if it was an accident or not, I wasn't trying to kill him until he pissed me off with constant stuns and roots and knockbacks, but some of it was pretty scary
I imagine it'd be scarier if I was a squishier class
like a 9.2 warrior
worldly grail
is it that bad? jeeze lol
nimble jasper
not really
wet scarab
j/k but I do think it would hit harder against non-plate and maybe would require less babysitting esp against melee cleaves
radiant hamlet
Thats a nice looking BoA cosmetic that i looted on my monk
nimble jasper
the fuck is that mog
radiant hamlet
i play it for the racial
sharp meteor
i love female orc so much 👌
radiant hamlet
eh idk
nimble jasper
or dont hunch
nimble jasper
sharp meteor
is there a red/black one
nimble jasper
thats an actual purple mog
radiant hamlet
why barefeet
lucid walrus
sharp meteor
Yeah they fixin rez
lucid walrus
can’t wait for shadowlands beta!
radiant hamlet
this season’s tabard on a purple mog is just weird af
trying to fit something with that tabard, but its kinda hard
sharp meteor
would vigor be too cringe
lucid walrus
is its damage even worth running sinful
nimble jasper
trying to fit something with that tabard, but its kinda hard
idk tabard is ugly
lucid walrus
like ascended might honestly be the play
sharp meteor
trying to fit something with that tabard, but its kinda hard
yeah a naked mog with cool pants and the tabard seems like the most slick lmao
nimble jasper
i dont even wear it
mortal elm
can we buy old season tmog with
sharp meteor
i dont even wear it
did i tell u they put them on vendor for everybody with elite achi the other day
mortal elm
mark of honor
sharp meteor
now the tab requires the char to have the achi
mortal elm
Shadowlands season
nimble jasper
did i tell u they put them on vendor for everybody with elite achi the other day
yeah
i dont use it tho
radiant hamlet
i mean the reason i like it is the fact that it's a bit samurai-ish, and if u dont wear a belt it just blends over the legs and not under them
radiant hamlet
did i tell u they put them on vendor for everybody with elite achi the other day
what's the point though
nimble jasper
sl babies to have a wearable tabard
sharp meteor
actually having the tabard is cool
i like my legion elite set and tabard on my dh to bully all the fotm dh players with
sharp meteor
my fellow man of culture
radiant hamlet
But like what difference would it make if you already unlocked the cosmetic account wide
nimble jasper
you have 2 dhs?
sharp meteor
of course. the alli one just isn't maintained rn
nimble jasper
i use demonic elite lol
sharp meteor
yeah that's another quality set
i missed the tomb one but got the antorus and emerald nightmare ones
sharp meteor
ya
nimble jasper
kinda missed legion tabards tho
the fact they rando gave dh an updated illidari tabard
🤤
blazing carbon
oh damn
sharp meteor
queued up first 2s in months and beat the shit out of an arms/rdruid somehow as fury
sharp meteor
hit him until he went d then he never left it and never did damage
nimble jasper
queued up first 2s in months and beat the shit out of an arms/rdruid somehow as ...
queued rogue healer 2s first time since july
killed 3 hunter teams in 1min as outlaw
blazing carbon
Pvp trinket bonus will still be superior this patch
well, 350 stamina and 175 main stat
sharp meteor
lmao
blazing carbon
still have ot see the pvp trinkets buffs tho
wheat jay
Iirc someone had 8k hp from it
nimble jasper
feigning sinister strike
blazing carbon
Iirc someone had 8k hp from it
it's not that much tbh 😂
But yeah damn , I hope the pvp trinket swill eb better
blazing carbon
cuz don't forget it's 40k damage, with 100% leech and 20% move speed
wheat jay
Actually
Its 3s
40k heal in 3s
Hmmmm
Oh well
I believe trinket+pvp grenade will be better
blazing carbon
What's the pvp grenade?
sharp meteor
new tinket
lucid walrus
cosmic resonator
sharp meteor
fury/mw vs fire/hpriest and my monk is 100% mana when the priest is tapped
nimble jasper
fire hpriest is like
raw summit
Fury mw feeling good?
nimble jasper
i swear so bad
if your team doesnt int
its usually some mage carrying an egirl too
sharp meteor
oh just realized that the priest was jellybeans
sharp meteor
Fury mw feeling good?
not sure have only played 3 games lmao
nimble jasper
who was the mage
nimble jasper
oh verin
raw summit
I have a MW so im curious abt it
nimble jasper
sharp meteor
cringe belf player
nimble jasper
i q’ed into verin in bfa once
sharp meteor
I have a MW so im curious abt it
mw has this neato thing where if u just live
nimble jasper
man trinketed blind insta
sharp meteor
they fall apart because no mana
sharp meteor
idk feels nice so far
raw summit
idk feels nice so far
Very cool
lucid walrus
4 second incap? nah son free kick
lucid walrus
trinkets
nimble jasper
get owned idiot
yah
short blind cd so blind him on all his cds
get rekt peasant
this spec sucks into rogue mage tho
lucid walrus
i'm sure
nimble jasper
oh yeah @sharp meteor mag was playing
bounding stride double time
into mm rdruid
sharp meteor
yeah i can see it
near delta
bounding stride double time
Did he queue into chun and flop?
nimble jasper
yeah
near delta
He legit just left a game against them on Tuesday night lmao
sharp meteor
avg hunter/rdruid team isn't flop/chun
nimble jasper
yeah low rated hunters
nimble jasper
i had a hunter last night
feign a sinister strike
….like what
the fuck is that
near delta
Lmao
raw summit
Honestly kinda spooked about the possibility to run into good players early season
nimble jasper
pirate is actually so fun into hunters
raw summit
I dont wanna get clapped
near delta
How does one deal with outlaws?
nimble jasper
outlaw mw is pretty into melee
near delta
Every time I queue into them they just do nutso damm while seemingly pressing random buttons
raw summit
outlaw mw is pretty <:keks:936231610850897992> into melee
Faced it.
sharp meteor
double disarms
nimble jasper
also outlaw has like a 50 yd range grappling hook
nimble jasper
the burst is mostly just
flag dreadblades
with a big pistol shot from greenskin’s
otherwise its just rando pve dam
nimble jasper
the pistols dont hit overly hard on plate
like 11-12k crit
@raw summit also idk if they fixed it
but you used to be able to gouge monks mid fof channel
raw summit
<@!653287531038900236> also idk if they fixed it
Not yet but wowdevs said they will
raw summit
but you used to be able to gouge monks mid fof channel
Stunning FoF is huge
I hate turbofists
Disgusting Talent
nimble jasper
yeah havent checked if you can parry it
near delta
otherwise its just rando pve dam
Damn I was right lol
Does disarming the flag do anything at least?
nimble jasper
yeah every bte cast giga buffs one pistol shot cast within the next 10 secs or so
yeah cant press anything besides pistolshot
sharp meteor
flag is more damage on finishers which is quite good to stop
along with dreadblades
near delta
I should just get some one handers on my lil rogue alt and try it out
near delta
Bye yall. Outlaw main nao
nimble jasper
sustained dmg is kinda why craven value is lower
except raz on eu was q’ing with a painsmith wep in his offhand
for the bleed
nimble jasper
My oulaw is 36 <:seramore:917663298869145640>
btw weirdest part, is ambushing out of stealth
cuz 90% chance you roll another buff for 15s
raw summit
2 covenants seems fine
nimble jasper
or you just live with your flag desync’ed
every time
ik some guys just played necro with alacrity
for 0 burst 100% w key damage
nimble jasper
yeah the 2 keys you play outlaw in
raw summit
PF n ?
nimble jasper
when the melee guy is big dumdum
raw summit
Double spear wb sweep
nimble jasper
and walks onto his rsham
so you sweeping
go into battle drop the wb double spear
wet scarab
Any good tips for fury in arena, haven’t played it in so long
sharp meteor
idk damage bot one person seems like
fury does a lot of damage for having a perma big ms
lucid walrus
what now
nimble jasper
outlaw’s been a thing
lucid walrus
lots of lockdown yeah?
vocal frigate
Prot warr counters DH very well.
How do you figure?
They do chaos damage and it slices right through ShB and armor.
sharp meteor
i could see the lockdown being okay but yeah havoc is the last thing you want hitting you as prot
healer would be like hey buddy why are you losing 20% of your health a second as a fucking tank spec
vocal frigate
Basically. This sounds like some low elo copium
You can get killed in a stun if a DH has coolies up
sharp meteor
i need to play prot to be sure but i really imagine they are just too vulnerable for their dmg output
vocal frigate
You can do like 12K shield slams, but it's really still not worth it.
The massive increase in damage intake and the rather unremarkable consistency in pressure just makes them garbo
nimble jasper
i ran into a prot war when doing a daily rbg win on my rogue yesterday
he died in the first kidney though
elder wigeon
you can do like 80k shield slams on prot war with the tier set
nimble jasper
You have to trink the open or you can get clowned
trinket open
get blinded and lose your base
then /ruffle
vocal frigate
That's basically how it works. Prot is a meme on a good day. You either trinket the open or die in the open.
nimble jasper
its actually such a great emote
vocal frigate
you can do like 80k shield slams on prot war with the tier set
I'm gonna need proof for this my man
vocal frigate
Because that sounds like some extreme polemical bullshit
nimble jasper
then i take the same base back without trading a single defensive
elder wigeon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmAxi5Ymya0 supatease isn't doing it right and is hitting 55k's, I know rio was hitting some big numbers near 80k
sharp meteor
oh my sham said he was queuing into rio trying prot the other day, i didn't ask how it went
said he played a few as arms and just exploded so he tried prot
sage raptor
They do chaos damage and it slices right through ShB and armor.
If you're bad, you die.
vocal frigate
Lol what a substantive response
maximum broscience chud
I dunno about Crackling Thunder for this.
Maybe for less mobile teams
sharp meteor
If you're bad, you die.
i mean prot takes increased dam and unsure as to how effective they are at mitigating dh dmg
vocal frigate
Not very.
You have IP, SR, and Wall.
That's it.
Well, Demo
DH can still clown you since they can run away when you're bursting and can nuke you when your CDs are down
sharp meteor
what's the tank modifier now? like 50%+ increased dam taken?
vocal frigate
Yeah.
sharp meteor
just queued into a prot pala and he was taking it the entire gaame
vocal frigate
Why isn't he using badge?
cold totem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmAxi5Ymya0 supatease isn't doing it right and i...
Holy shit
wet scarab
Time to prot or macro your IP to overpower bois
With the amount we’re getting railed your rage gen shouldn’t be a problem
vocal frigate
You only get 5 RFDT per second
That's basically nothing
Like, sure - I'll take it, but it's rarely going to be huge.
ashen obsidian
we still trying to make prot work?
fickle forge
It might have good chances of being good
ashen obsidian
yeah, im just joking. Prot might be viable
wet scarab
Can you still shield slam if you’re disarmed
vocal frigate
1000% if Prot starts picking up steam in any high rated play Blizz will nerf it into the floor
They basically want to edge tanks out of anything that isn't an RBG
wet scarab
They’ll never nerf it because it isn’t as good at self healing as the other tanks
Prot paladins got their own solo shuffle bracket because of their self sustain
sharp meteor
rip the bung
vocal frigate
Maybe not, but there's gonna be a loud gaggle of unwashed crybaby masses that will kick and scream. With Blizz trying to appease as many players as possible with every move of late it stands to reason they'll hobble it.
Especially if tanks do anything resembling one-shots.
wet scarab
They’ll hobble tanks more broadly sure but it would be dumb to single out prot warriors in the current state of bear tanks in BGs
Where they are basically the only viable ones
vocal frigate
They've done dumber things.
wet scarab
Prot warrior is also great because nobody understands their abilities
vocal frigate
K e k
wet scarab
If you think fotm demon hunters can counter us lul
vocal frigate
There's not a lot to understand tbh.
wet scarab
Maybe we should all switch to prot warrior at the start of the season and be like surprise motherfuckers
nimble jasper
thats true of alot of specs
wet scarab
You’re overestimating the WoW player base
vocal frigate
Prot does a lot of the same shit as other specs. Only novelty is maybe LS.
sage raptor
Maybe we should all switch to prot warrior at the start of the season and be lik...
That'll confuse the shit out of meta whores lol
vocal frigate
I can't see what people will be taken for a loop by.
The real weird shit is in the honor talents.
But a 2 of the 3 are spoken for as passives so the last ace is the 3rd
idk, I can't see people being so shocked by prot kit that they'll have no idea what to do
vocal frigate
Stompy stompy
wet scarab
Lol exactly people don’t really know how any of the abilities interact with each other. Why am I getting rooted by thunderclap. Why are my attacks slower during my goes. Why does he have 500k health all of a sudden without rallying cry. Why is my attack power low. Why are my frost bolts hitting less hard
lucid walrus
Prot warrior is also great because nobody understands their abilities
got farmed by a brew/ww team last week
we got robodrome every time so they could just run
wet scarab
Wtf is shockwave
lucid walrus
frontal stun
wet scarab
No I know I’m impersonating other pvpers
lucid walrus
ah lmao
wet scarab
Why do warriors have the hunt
nimble jasper
i love players in the depths
sharp meteor
wow fury is funny in bgs
nimble jasper
not understanding how deatborne works
sharp meteor
haven't played signet in so long
lucid walrus
i unironically don’t know what it does but i’m well aware it’s a lot of damage
nimble jasper
instead of just dispelling soulrot
sharp meteor
frost has a lot of modifiers
nimble jasper
i mean year is 2022
people still think xuen was a big ww burst cd
and not bonedust
wet scarab
Imagine your first dragon charge shockwave trying to kite a prot warrior
Or if you get stunned every heroic leap with leaper on as a hunter
They’re like what is happening
near delta
i mean year is 2022
I played with an HPal who thought he was supposed to bubble as soon as he saw xuen come out