the only thing holding fury back at this point is weak defensive CD's
#pvp
elder wigeon
enraged regen should just be reworked to heal 5% max health per second for the duration of it
elder wigeon
yeah that's also rough
raw summit
Fury ms is shitty too
elder wigeon
not very consistent yeah
with the tier set it's actually pretty easy to keep applied and keep stacked at 40% though
elder wigeon
indeed
raw summit
So maybe op on CD doable
elder wigeon
tier set is crack for fury
elder wigeon
for arms it's just QOL and helps smooth out the rotation a bit
elder wigeon
yup but not like fury where it's actually fun
raw summit
Agree
Also if i get all haste gear i can pve on my pvp warri
Might try get a NW Ring
And Versa haste conq Ring
fickle forge
My random guess
raw summit
Assa tier is filthy
raw summit
for arms it's just QOL and helps smooth out the rotation a bit
Arms before 4p though?
elder wigeon
2 piece is kinda shit
steep inlet
Ret is enabled by war
fierce elm
Outlaw B 
steep inlet
So we will see now
fickle forge
I'm keeping fury C until something else is proven tbh
Feel like history keeps repeating that fury gets buffed somehow, but is still bad
elder wigeon
fury is gonna get slam dunked by rets
otherwise fury kinda claps casters
better than arms for sure
ionic gazelle
def stance -10%/-20% Omagad
undone ermine
def stance -10%/-20% Omagad
They are just determined to make d stance pointless. 😐
ionic gazelle
They are just determined to make d stance pointless. 😐
All talents in tier 4 pointless now. Its kinda joke
ionic gazelle
Yes, just checked
undone ermine
That's the dumbest shit.
ionic gazelle
TBH i prefer -20input/-40 output just to get extra def against casters
but -10/-20 is totally garbage
undone ermine
I mean I was getting 1-shot through d-stance if I fucked up as it was.
A nerf nobody needed or asked for. 😐
raw summit
It was destined to happen
undone ermine
Just on a side note, did HP get increased or something? I'm sitting at 62k base now and I've no idea why.
fickle forge
undone ermine
Ah. I missed that.
fickle forge
Besides, all you can do now is rely on stronger offense and avoiding dmg better
raw summit
We'll stay all versa though, right?
undone ermine
Gonna need to without d-stance 🙃
undone ermine
No one said that, d-stance might be though.
raw summit
The other options arent better
undone ermine
You're way too invested in what was just an off-handed remark.
ionic gazelle
Class isnt dead
tell this retri's wings proc
ionic gazelle
kekw
its like - double legendary Expectation = Kiryan+BS ZAG ZAG // Reallity = spear for def + 3 leaps
pepeHands
raw summit
3 leaps sounds hillarious
cold totem
Is it me or execute feels stronger?
elder wigeon
if it is, only slightly due to the trinket bonus being slightly overtuned relative to the gear we have
elder wigeon
next reset
warped warren
xd
fickle forge
How does that make sense when performing in the gym makes you perform better in the game?
jagged cedar
performing in the fridge helps you perform in game
undone ermine
performing in the fridge helps you perform in game
I mean you're not wrong. Can't play if you starve to death.
fickle forge
Imagine being into swinging as fast as possible like an anime protagonist
fickle forge
This is where the joy is at
undone ermine
😊
undone pumice
time for prot warrior
fickle forge
Can we ban this man?
knotty tangle
Harsh
fickle forge
Tanks 👉 🚪
sage raptor
They counter DHs well too
tropic hull
anyone noticed a difference with nerf to D Stance
sage raptor
10% is hard to not notice
full quiver
you guys think it's tier piece > weapon in vault first few weeks?
since apparently we can't craft them until week 8 and can only do 1/week at that point
elfin surge
you guys think we are getting dstance back to 20%
no
cold totem
Sadge
grand scaffold
its big thing was d stance
undone pumice
fury gameplay now
undone pumice
phantasma lure
cold totem
ok
plain wing
Just kinda wild how arms goes from s tier to dogshit just because of d stance?
plain wing
Like was our damage just never good to begin with
undone pumice
arms has
plain wing
Where warrior are looking to be gods
undone pumice
avatar + warbreaker is a lot less compared to a combusting mage
but warrior isnt built around burst outside of execute
ur burst is just ur normal rotation doing a lot of dmg always
plain wing
Bruh combusting mage is like one of the higghest burst in the game
full quiver
you can burst with warbringer, sudden death proc, and sharpen
plain wing
Just cuz we dont have combust burst doesnt mean we dont have burst hahaha
plain wing
The fact that there were people that got glad with fury last season
Should show you u dont have to reroll @cold totem
elfin surge
Arms is still S tier
you people forget we still have ignore pain and lose 0 damage from using it off cd
elfin surge
#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Mortal Strike
yeah but dont do that
undone pumice
literallly
cold totem
xdd
undone pumice
big brain strats
undone pumice
its not arms has no burst
full quiver
pretty sure mud has a montage of him one shotting people
undone pumice
just its not a burst class?
u dont play arms for haha cooldowns go brr enemy go not brr
u go arms to unga bunga do big dps
mild pier
u dont play arms for haha cooldowns go brr enemy go not brr
But you do
I pop cds and I two shot. God help them if I crit
mild pier
Is that not burst? Lmao
full quiver
this man is a troll
cold totem
hmmm
grand scaffold
bro
have you seen
arms pressure compared to fury pressure
they got a BIG burst window
ill admit that
aside from that
full quiver
hey ndogo is a 2400 2s fury warrior
full quiver
he knows what he's talking about
grand scaffold
idk about arms very well
just fury
i just know
i outdmg them
each and every time
steep inlet
k so don’t talk about arms
undone pumice
fury have 2 swords
steep inlet
If you don’t know it
grand scaffold
fair enough
grand scaffold
^
sage raptor
Simple
steep inlet
@elfin surge u will try fury btw ?
full quiver
next to frost dk
@mystic barn
grand scaffold
he knows what he's talking about
😄 ty
that made my day
😄
anybody here think demo gonna get their necro lego nerfed
they hitting 80k bolts on ptr
and thats like avg health pool
undone pumice
why is battle trance bugged
steep inlet
rofl razon
undone pumice
when u go reckless abandon and pop reck, ur raging blow turns into crushing blow so u cant proc battle trance
dogshit game tbh
grand scaffold
Tbh ,should include fury too
haha
plain wing
Only thing about fury, is its literally a glass cannon
Their defensives are like the shittiest in the game
undone pumice
what defensives
mystic barn
lol
sage raptor
Don't die. Easy
sage raptor
Kill them before thay kill you. There's a tip that says that in the loading screens. Literally that easy.
grand scaffold
yeah
full quiver
yeah every arena is that easy
sage raptor
That helps too
grand scaffold
yeah it does help
undone pumice
optional
elfin surge
rdruid/war is a toxic duo
full quiver
druid/war *
undone pumice
druid
ashen obsidian
arms?
undone pumice
cat durid
elfin surge
kitty cleave is for chad gamers
cold totem
kyrian arms + nbecro retri?
scarlet barn
it helps to have a multi glad 3k rdruid
full quiver
kyrian arms + nbecro retri?
prot necro + necro retri
cold totem
....
full quiver
prot can keep close to 100% uptime on banner
plain wing
resto druid + prot pally
cold totem
I asked about Arms + Ret
cold totem
ret could go necro?
plain wing
but if they go hard on you, and burn through bop / your parry
you gonna be big dead fast with d stance nerf
cold totem
ill have that in mind
But best convenant for our comp Kyrian War + Necro Ret or
both necro
fierce elm
Both Necro
fickle forge
Both night fae, you heard it here first
100k per target AoE AA
Would be cool at least
RIP AA
full quiver
so are we supposed to actually farm the rep so we can make enduring on waist and tier piece on helm with unity on diff slot?
near delta
resto druid + prot pally
Necro prot warr/Necro prot pall chonky ret/warr lol
plain wing
Big bois
spice hornet
im still wondering what adddon keeps disabling my floating combat damage text
shadow pollen
With Elysian Might coming on belt, ig there's no reason not to keep Enduring Blows on head?
full quiver
no no no
because tier piece on head is 1 of 2 verse pieces
gonna be all fucked up!
sage raptor
I thought we could put tier things on pvp gear
earnest thorn
If it helps the 2 piece pvp trinket bonus got changed
sage raptor
you can but it swaps stats
Bruh
So that means my unholy dk might have crit gear? Lol
lucid walrus
probably
sage raptor
(:
steep inlet
played some 2800+ games
not gonna lie its disgusting
jungle and rm just destroyed me
with our shitty def stance
very very disgusted
sage raptor
Hopefully the meta will change once everyone gets their tiersets and leggos.
ashen obsidian
primary and secondary stat scaling will change stuff too
ionic gazelle
very very disgusted
as expected pepeHands
ionic gazelle
tbh more intresting - rouge can kill you 1v1 w/o retala? like in duel
*duel (rouge pvp talent) * fixed
wheat jay
Is this the season when warrior starts to look at his hp and kite?
ashen obsidian
yes, unless prot
steep inlet
gl to kite rm and jungle
ashen obsidian
jungle. === gg
ionic gazelle
i guess we r waiting for 10/10 def stance and playing full time kekw
10/20 just dump af pepega
ashen obsidian
prot
sage raptor
It's Fury's season now.
ashen obsidian
fury can last vs jungle?
ashen obsidian
pray to burst them down?
ionic gazelle
fury can last vs jungle?
no
ashen obsidian
someone said you can for 40K on prot. Prot will be king 🙂
mystic barn
guys now that d stance got nerfed it forced me to become a better warrior and a player overall I’m so happy it got nerfed my macro and micro gaming improved a lot
ionic gazelle
btw RM in 2v2 as warrior such a joke now
nimble jasper
you mean harder?
ionic gazelle
sure
ionic gazelle
my bet is heal instead of stun in tier 2 kekw
lucid walrus
no shot
sharp meteor
2s 
uncut pollen
sorry hasnt been following, but now dstance mitigates 10% and reduces own damage by 20?
lucid walrus
ya
sharp meteor
sorry hasnt been following, but now dstance mitigates 10% and reduces own damage...
Correct.
uncut pollen
as someone who barely plays pvp it should be like 10/10
or 10/15 if arms was that op
fickle forge
Is this the season when warrior starts to look at his hp and kite?
It's everyone else that's supposed to kite the warrior
wheat jay
It's everyone else that's supposed to kite the warrior
Welcome to new world
Jailer remade the world
lucid walrus
dead game
fickle forge
This isn't new world
wheat jay
As he intended
fickle forge
This is BFA
We literally did Heroic Flees in BFA all the time cause of our shitty defensives
Kekw
wheat jay
Yep
brittle torrent
so aside from all the shit warr is gonna have what is the best pvp covenant for arms warr now going 9.2
is necro>kyrian or necro=kyrian even with tier sets in equation
ionic gazelle
depends on comp as always
dusky locust
Kyrian feels fine in 2s idk about 3s
near delta
so aside from all the shit warr is gonna have what is the best pvp covenant for ...
Depends on comp as Articoid said but Kyrian has the juice rn. Elysian Might + a damage or defensive leggo is crazy strong.
sharp meteor
because banner was another modifier to warbringer sudden death people with
sharp meteor
fury is historically the most unga bunga hit whatever lights up spec that exists
and was the og havoc
it's just hard because you die
nimble jasper
wow
you actually have to run away
xd
pov 1800 meleecleave players
complaining about tanking caster triangle cds
elder wigeon
How does the nerf feel boys?
not amazing, you're still decently tanky if you're allowed to get a lot of ignore pains off, you take a lot more damage this patch versus the last one so expect to be forced into d-stance easier and not allowed out of it frequently
jungles should eat warriors alive though
like zero chance
full quiver
They should make kyriab phial reset in combat 1.5 min cd
So we can atleast remove feral bleeds lol
sharp meteor
that'd be quite nice
sub being the only thing that really gets resets is funny
bleed them up and they just rip it off
steep inlet
jungles should eat warriors alive though
Happened to me tonight
Was disgusting
Like really
near delta
Joeferandes talking on stream about playing prot warrior this season lmao
near delta
Yeah he was talking with something like ww that can one shot somebody. But god that sounds toxic.
sharp meteor
how so
full quiver
Prot can keep almost perma banner uptime
So you just be a banner bot for your necro ret
sharp meteor
thunderclap root plus chains and their whole team ain't movin
maybe throw in a mw owo
full quiver
Dk would help vs caster teams lol
craggy socket
Dk feels strong with the buffs lol
sharp meteor
hm they might be in an odd spot with health changes as ds got buffed and if ww/arms no longer 2-hit them they could start terrorizing everybody
although hunter still probably eats their face
near delta
Dk would help vs caster teams lol
Prot pal, Prot Warrior, Blood DK. "Just leave the arena"-cleave
sharp meteor
probably last season
full quiver
Last season but like midway through
They did blood dk, hpala, demo lock
Just kept everyone locked down while demo did their pve rotation lol
Dk had never been 2100 even
sharp meteor
is she the kul'tiran that played with the uhh glogan guy
sharp meteor
yeah that's who i was thinking of
queued into them also playing with like an arcane mage
sharp meteor
i only vaguely remember it was super trap alt night
full quiver
Lol
craggy socket
Lmao
nimble jasper
although hunter still probably eats their face
outlaw prob big funny too
since all the pets will add to evasion cdr
worldly grail
So say I’m solo queuing for bgs with no pocket heals or doing warmode is arms still king?
nimble jasper
warrior is bad in bgs solo
worldly grail
Bleh
full quiver
Lol
sharp meteor
it's just often shitty because u randomly melt to poke
simple rock
formal summit
probably!
tired portal
So you just be a banner bot for your necro ret
pretty sure the necro legendary only increases banner uptime for yourself
full quiver
sharp meteor
cringe if true
near delta
Jeez that's op af with ret or ww
jaunty furnace
The elite pvp set looks pretty ugly ngl
elder wigeon
it's not pretty but it's unique
i just wish blizzard would get the hell away from just making every tier set this expac just a white/silver version of the regular set
should've been black and red to match the mount and tabard but fuck that i guess
sharp meteor
tabard should've been the black one in s1
and they should've used the nathria mythic tints
elder wigeon
missed a golden opportunity to have a "black knight" theme for the elite set
warped warren
pretty sure the necro legendary only increases banner uptime for yourself
youre the one carrying the banner affecting ppl tho???
sharp meteor
Yeah, I hope the extension increase affects the buff on allies.
pale minnow
@elder wigeon what's your opinion about arms nerf, is it still good?
pale minnow
Is it still worth to play dstance?
elder wigeon
yes you have to still
you straight up get ripped in half if you don't have d stance
it's still pretty rough with d stance but it's your only option
elder wigeon
haha
yeah that's the dilemma
you still take warpaint tho on fury
you still gotta take d stance as arms unfortunately
pale minnow
Does this make fury better tho?
elder wigeon
I wish they'd just get rid of it entirely and give warriors a passive like second wind again
in relation to arms, definitely
in terms of the meta, nerfing arms does nothing for fury
pale minnow
Ye second wind like in mop
sharp meteor
10% is like nothing tho
They just took 10% off dstance
it most certainly
is not nothing
elder wigeon
each subsequent 10% you take off of a defensive CD, is less impactful than the previous
pale minnow
Like it's aids cuz every class who can heal can 1v1 an arms in arena
sharp meteor
whomst've cares about 1v1s
pale minnow
They just took 10% off dstance
That's a 50% nerf
elder wigeon
the difference between 20% and 10% is bigger than 0% and 10%
pale minnow
whomst've cares about 1v1s
Everyone if both healers die and you stay alone is a garantee loss
elder wigeon
relatively speaking here, 20-10% is a ~15% damage increase to incoming damage
10-0% is ~11%
sharp meteor
Everyone if both healers die and you stay alone is a garantee loss
that's not a useful or realistic scenario though
arms historically loses 1v1 if both heals somehow die at once so that's whatever
pale minnow
that's not a useful or realistic scenario though
Rm kills your healer and you kill mage or rogue both of them can solo you without a sweat
sharp meteor
if u wanna 1v2 rm go play feral
elder wigeon
nah rogues win the 1v1 vs feral if they're smart
near delta
i just wish blizzard would get the hell away from just making every tier set thi...
The worst part is they always look like the normal sets lately lol
elder wigeon
well yeah because they're taking the modern car paint job approach to it
notice how every car is silver black or white? lmao
sharp meteor
The worst part is they always look like the normal sets lately lol
i mean it's a tint of the mythic set
it's just that mythic sets aren't that crazy extra special now
it can sometimes just be some particles
extra swirlies etc
elder wigeon
yeah, sucks
sharp meteor
i think the wod s1 model was super cool where they'd take the raid set, heavily recolor it, then do unique helm/shoulders, sometimes animated
or just the pre-wod one where pvp had its own set and then the elite version was an edgier tint
current way especially when they're 1800 and shared across classes just makes it into like a normal raid mog
pleh
jovial cedar
As fury to stay alive do we need to have ignore pain up as much as possible
grand scaffold
no
as a matter of fact
you just need to play well
you dont sit through enemy burst
you leap away
los them
burst screws fury
when it comes to ignore pain
sharp meteor
As fury to stay alive do we need to have ignore pain up as much as possible
Guts your damage to spam it as fury, unlike arms.
grand scaffold
you dont use it at all really
sharp meteor
You'll still have to use it, though, just a little more carefully.
grand scaffold
just use it if you really need it
grand scaffold
You'll still have to use it, though, just a little more carefully.
correct
anybody else liking the new zone?
sharp meteor
It's nice. Certainly better than Korthia.
lucid walrus
once we get to fly i'm certain it'll be much more tolerable
i don't hate it yet and that's surprising
grand scaffold
does anybody have predictions on what the strongest caster is gonna be this patch?
grand scaffold
do you think lock or sp will be good?
pale minnow
They fixed somehow the oneshot from lock
pale minnow
Sp wasn't that huge of an issue just kill sf and loss void form
sharp meteor
which spec
demo ofc
grand scaffold
dang
sharp meteor
aff for some fucking reason got nerfs this patch
grand scaffold
so what spec of lock looking to be the strongest this spec
i thought demo was doing the big bolts but now its nerfed
sharp meteor
demo by a sizable margin unless their stuff gets 90% hotfixed
grand scaffold
is it 90% hotfixed?
sharp meteor
some tier bonuses are gonna be interesting
grand scaffold
like which ones?
sharp meteor
demo and assa have gotten the most visibility which is why i think they'll probably get some pvp nerfs either before they become available or shortly after people start getting them
elder wigeon
i mean that's your entire health pool
grand scaffold
yeah
sharp meteor
80k bolts
yeah an instant that you have at least two of doing 100%+ of a targets health without externals is a BIT much
grand scaffold
i dont think any cast should be hitting harder than chaos bolt tbh
its a bit wierd
its a 2 sec cast that is supposed to truck
why should an insta cast hit more than 3x harder
makes 0 sense
undone ermine
I'm running into this thing where I kill a DPS with a holy priest, and he just spirit forms and rezzes them. Can't kick or combat it. The hell is that?
lucid walrus
balance
undone ermine
Elaborate?
undone ermine
It's fucked. 😐
lucid walrus
rmp needs more buffs tbh
undone pumice
sharp meteor
i for one am thankful that holy rmp is finally getting the buffs it not only deserves but needs
for those occasions where the mage manages to proc caut, seed, their team fails to protect it despite rogue cc, mc, ray
they'll finally have a safety net in the form of a literal rez in arena that can't be stopped
bright stream
and they'll still tell you that its harder to play a mage than it is to play melee
undone ermine
I'm so salty, I've lost two games to this shit now. What's the talent called?
undone pumice
like are mages actually hard?
seems hard to get kicked compared to any other caster
bright stream
they've been pretty braindead for a long time
sharp meteor
four (4) spell schools
undone pumice
4 schools of magic, 10 second roots, blinks, shifting power, the time wizard healing thing
bright stream
if poly/frost were same school for interupts, and without shimmer it'd be a different story
they're definitely very good for pvp - but they're not hard
bright stream
kinda like arms/sub when those 2 specs are performing well - the specs are designed in a way that makes them very good at pvp
undone pumice
like i know i play THE braindead class but im not braindead irl
bright stream
wut nah - hardest caster would be probably afflock or ele
undone ermine
Mages aren't hard; the only thing remotely difficult about them is using Alter Time.
And that's because it requires a bit of foresight.
undone pumice
like
u auidbly hear the warrior smash the ground and see him jump up
just press the funny button
undone ermine
I mean yeah. That's it. Maybe not even foresight, just awareness.
undone pumice
just on reaction
u see paladin pop wings
button
woyer pops avatar and/or warbreaker
button
bright stream
legit ret pala is a more difficult caster than mage - because if they get kicked using a heal they cant bubble lol
undone pumice
mors than mage
bright stream
yeah the bar is more than mage
bright stream
you can still be a meme with 3 buttons and 2 decisions instead of 2 buttons and no decisions
bright stream
depends on the rating
undone pumice
like
bright stream
lower rating for sure ret king of idiots
undone pumice
i know im below average in pvp and in game knowledge
bright stream
nah that's not what wer'e talking about
undone pumice
but its just kinda ridicilous
sharp meteor
avg is like 1400 because most people don't q lel
bright stream
just talking about mages being super easy compared to other casters/melee
undone pumice
of ppl who play pvp
bright stream
warrior/sub/ass kinda similar as well
so many tools - easy to get away with making bad choices
but warrior players don't go aroudn telling spriests that warriors harder to play than spriest na mean?
undone pumice
fury only has 1 major defensive cd
bright stream
(like mages do to melee/others)
bright stream
I'm just salty that 2h>>>SMF when SMF is much cooler
undone ermine
You know what's legitimately fun right now? Outlaw.
undone pumice
im not a cocksucklin pirate
bright stream
who doesnt wanna be johnny depp
undone ermine
But seriously, between Float Like a Butterfly and Enduring Brawler; they're seriously hard to kill.
undone pumice
pirates tend to be
undone ermine
undone ermine
Yeah, it's hilarious. XD
sharp meteor
yeah i need some rum and a pirate hat before i play outlaw
undone ermine
yeah i need some rum and a pirate hat before i play outlaw
I happen to have both of those things.
undone pumice
i need a gun before i play outlaw
undone ermine
That sounds amazing.
undone ermine
😦
nimble jasper
ermm expac
nimble jasper
it hit like a noodle
undone ermine
RIP
nimble jasper
greenskin's better overall
undone ermine
I know, but pocket shotgun.
undone pumice
mm
undone ermine
Outlaws in a good place for damage right now though, either works well. I mean I climbed to 2k today from like 1700.
undone ermine
Doubtless, but every time I pug a healer they're surprised by what outlaw can do.
And the fact that 1 minute into a fight I have 70k HP. XD
undone pumice
outlaw is just rare as hell
undone ermine
I think half of my success is just that most folk don't know how to play against me.
Like everyone knows what to do against my warrior.
And I struggled so hard to hit 2k.
But it's been almost dummy easy on my rogue.
undone pumice
most people havent seen an outlaw since bfa
undone ermine
Those two pvp talents I linked above are also kinda new, so no one is really expecting the 1 minute CD evasion and 100% uptime on feint.
nimble jasper
been around all season
undone ermine
For sure, doesn't mean people have played against it much though.
Outlaw being rare as it is.
undone pumice
i mean like, i have seen one (1) outlaw rogue in the past month
undone ermine
Might've been me. XD
nimble jasper
dont think you even get achieves in offs eas
undone ermine
Oh. Dang.
undone pumice
or in zereth/korthia
undone ermine
Sub so popular right now.
nimble jasper
outlaw's a 2s spec
undone ermine
I think I've played against one outlaw rogue in 2s the whole season across all my characters.
And he did not impress me. 😐
sharp meteor
outlaw is excellent with a healer
but as is sub/holy or sub/fire
assa felt something to be desired because the bracket was so fully of hunters
undone pumice
as is any spec
sharp meteor
no like outlaw is one of the best 2s dps, or at least was
undone ermine
I've basically had to tell my healers what to expect on outlaw; 'basically I'm like fury but with CC'.
lucid walrus
idk ppl tell me mage is the hardest caster and im like
barely ever played sp but i get the feeling it has a lot going on
kinda seems like a chore ngl
sharp meteor
there's a lot you could potentially be doing
but just getting damage out isn't that bad
bright stream
barely ever played sp but i get the feeling it has a lot going on
its similar to playing half an affliction warlock imo
lucid walrus
yeah its support is what gets me
offheals, being quick with purging and all. i do like that there's a damage incentive to just purging though
sharp meteor
its similar to playing half an affliction warlock imo
nah too much support
aff is more of a dmgbot
sharp meteor
offheals, being quick with purging and all. i do like that there's a damage ince...
and wym quick with purging it's probably your most pressed button
it's your filler
sharp meteor
queuing with an rdruid into something like wps is funny because my druids shit is just all instantly gone the entire match
cunning jungle
Is venthyr better than Kyrian on pvp for Arms Warrior
sharp meteor
i do not think so, no
cunning jungle
And necrolord:
sharp meteor
probably comparable to kyrian for now, depends on what you're queuing
undone pumice
its ok
it was a lot better up until 9.2
with the 6second cooldown on deathsentence the main draw of increased mobility for venthyr has vanished
venthyr also does less damage with condemn
cunning jungle
Oh so they nerfed condemn. ive heard it was pretty nice.
nimble jasper
no like outlaw is one of the best 2s dps, or at least was
feel like its right behind surv tbh
also funny how alot of sin's bad matchups are good for outlaw
sharp meteor
Oh so they nerfed condemn. ive heard it was pretty nice.
Not directly, but they did nerf armor, which buffed execute, then also buffed execute further.
Death Sentence nerf further hurt the potential viability of Condemn.
nimble jasper
also dks feel kinda spooky
rn
@undone ermine btw
killing hunters in the first min
is the funniest shit
steep inlet
The comments
Make me ultra ultra mad
Wanna insult them all
Poor Blizo and us warriors
sharp meteor
i mean warr needed a nerf defensively but i really dislike them hitting dstance
wet scarab
Warriors don’t need defensive nerfs in a world where blur and netherwalk exist
nimble jasper
meanwhile warlocks still think they need buffs
sharp meteor
deathbolt didn't really fit the spec but idk if they needed to nerf it
nimble jasper
even demo feels really stupid idk
btw @sharp meteor
when the hunter clearly doesnt know how outlaw works and feigns on a sinister strike
raw summit
sharp meteor
yeah just panic
raw summit
Fuck em
raw summit
Pet commands hard
nimble jasper
i had a warlock wall so he could cast unkickable
gouge the cast
then he trinks insta
nimble jasper
seems not as effective a spec
if you play with a healer that actually can be trained
like pally or priest
warped warren
to see evasion popped 3x
outlul btw 
warped warren
warr into mm is decent
raw summit
Leap into disengage
warped warren
if you have a healer who dispels you
on trap
keep sitting full binding traps because healer saves dispel for next expansion
nimble jasper
ran into some guy playing nf fury trying to oneshot my healer
he prob wouldnt have died opener if his druid didnt start game out of stealth
which led to grappling hook into sap cuz hook point
warped warren
sharp meteor
doubletime warbringer necro fun in bgs 
sharp meteor
warped warren
yah
sharp meteor
I don't know what it'll be in arena, though. Probably Trance, Enduring and Slaughterhouse, then swapping one of the two first ones for Disarm?
tired portal
i mean warr needed a nerf defensively but i really dislike them hitting dstance
1 min parry is ridic, they shouldve nerfed that conduit in pvp instead
tired portal
or that
sharp meteor
Yeah, either of those. Maybe SD rage amount in pvp if they think burst is an issue.
But holy fk dstance aaaaaaaaaaa
tired portal
https://twitter.com/blizowow/status/1496628614581915650?s=21
smexxin in the thread also saying how this nerf sucks but people just keep hating
raw summit
Always has been 
undone pumice
time for mld to make the returj
lucid walrus
never left : )
steep inlet
y
sharp meteor
smexxin in the thread also saying how this nerf sucks but people just keep hatin...
i mean people are justifiably annoyed with arms being elder god tier for a year
sharp meteor
time for mld to make the returj
arms isn't generally good into comps like that
and hadn't seen many although it doesn't seem bad
elder wigeon
MLD is fuckin hard
sharp meteor
I'm glad most locks play with a shadow priest. Super content just running at them with enduring.
fickle forge
https://twitter.com/blizowow/status/1496628614581915650?s=21
It is what it is dude
Nothing we can do but make the most of the hand we've been dealt
A lot of people in the comments don't seem to get though, that classes are designed differently, with some focusing on strong off-heals and others on strong damage mitigation
elder wigeon
@sharp meteor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5OtjV2jCiM game i had vs mld
cold totem
<@!129440991294783488> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5OtjV2jCiM> game i had ...
Nice UI
elder wigeon
takes a long ass time to make a UI you're personally happy with
sharp meteor
<@!129440991294783488> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5OtjV2jCiM> game i had ...
we found some degree of success in hard running from the deathsworn
then bodying the mage
aff feels like bait
cold totem
takes a long ass time to make a UI you're personally happy with
Took me a while for the pve one
Pvp one is way harder imo
elder wigeon
for sure
cold totem
Im trying to improve my Shield Reflection, any tips for that?
elder wigeon
I'm still not satisfied with mine every time I play there's something I think about tweaking
sharp meteor
yeah i need to sit down with team in party to make ui adjustments
sharp meteor
there's always something that could be cleaner or tighter
elder wigeon
timing is everything with reflect and knowing whether reflecting something is even worth it
sharp meteor
Im trying to improve my Shield Reflection, any tips for that?
usually knowledge, then just a comfortable bind
elder wigeon
like if you're on DR for clone and you don't have that much damage now but will in 10 seconds, it's a waste to reflect a clone that would be half DR
cold totem
usually knowledge, then just a comfortable bind
Alright
elder wigeon
in 10 sec you're prob gonna be off DR completely and you wanna be able to reflect for yourself when you have damage and when they're gonna want to clone you
just as an example
cold totem
like if you're on DR for clone and you don't have that much damage now but will ...
Cool, I didn't know about the DR
elder wigeon
there's diminishing returns on CC
and a timer of when it resets back to full effectiveness
cold totem
I didn't know your DR affected theirs if u use SR
sharp meteor
i run into shadow priests with reflect up and more often than not reflect their first set of dots
elder wigeon
yes it does
cold totem
I'm taking notes on this
sharp meteor
but yeah for cc and stuff try to get max value, like bladestorm as cc is hitting you so you're on dr but also immune it
elder wigeon
so like if my rdruid clones a feral and the feral clones me and I reflect it, it'll be a half clone on them
sharp meteor
get hit by fear before pressing berserker rage so you're put on dr
elder wigeon
depends, sometimes you wanna have your rage for something else
sharp meteor
yeah sometimes it's fine to sit w/e it is
fear outside anything important if their next fear has cds
elder wigeon
like if it's WPS, you don't really want to rage a priest fear because then you're open to getting full feared by the warrior or vice versa
it's highly situational
sharp meteor
yep
cold totem
This is nice!
sharp meteor
the biggest instance of pre-raging a fear i think for me is shattering a lock on their pact
elder wigeon
pretty much
sharp meteor
as they'll often try to howl it, then port
but i have seen lots of warriors pre-rage a casted fear
which prevents them from being put on dr
elder wigeon
pretty bad to do that yup
sharp meteor
yeah cool
cold totem
I'm still learning war
I used to play pvp in warlords and pandaria
But now im back at it with some friends
elder wigeon
i loved mop
cold totem
I played monk
War
lock
rogue
so much fun
MOP was going to be the worst expansion ever (because of pandas)
And turns out everyone loved it in the end
PVP vendor
where you could duel there
Loved it, I learned so much there
elder wigeon
mop was far from perfect but we didn't know how good we had it until it got much worse
cold totem
Second Wind was super fun
@elder wigeon How did you know the mage was casting you poli in this video?
It's because he was spamming it since the beginning of the fight
?
elder wigeon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UCgwya1ma0
look at the cast bar of my sarena
elder wigeon
Nope just when they're casting poly, but I know they want to poly me because they're trying to go my healer and he's on incap DR and my feral can't be sheeped
sharp meteor
WoW is weird in that you can't ever really know who is being casted on, so have to kind of go off what you think their game plan is, drs, positioning, etc.
elder wigeon
yea np
sharp meteor
Usually it's pretty obvious who it'll be on. Not always but
cold totem
Experience plays a huge part
undone pumice
we should be able to duel in capital cities
like we could duel in skyhold in legion why not in oribos or by the pvp vendor
fickle forge
New epic feeling is to have Death Sentence not charge you and then incur the cooldown
fickle forge
Luckily swinging it in melee doesn't actually proc the cd
cold totem
You guys think its worth wait for the new legendary ilvl or craft the 262 now?
elder wigeon
up to you but the issue is you don't know what tier pieces you're gonna get and you don't want to fuck yourself
elder wigeon
Arms will work with hybrids pretty much only that can dedicate a lot of their resources to supporting you
IE Kitty cleave, Ret war, Turbo, WPS
I don't think TSG will be good because the DK can't support the warrior, and to a large extent the warrior supported the DK
severe skiff
with no massive changes warrior is just going to be kind of meh until 4pc then fury will at least be a high sustain damage spec with some tools. Should still be playable but looks like its just going to be a case of "why don't you use x instead of warrior" for most comps
hopefully they at least lower the damage penalty to 10% on Dstance
analog warren
hopefully they at least lower the damage penalty to 10% on Dstance
thats gonna be dumbest move, and that quote from nonwarrior players become true 'sit in def whole day'
if its 10-10
severe skiff
It's not about sitting in Dstance all game its about being able to relieve some pressure at some moments without completely giving up all your momentum, atm going into dstance in a situation where you aren't ccing through damage or running away is a waste
elder wigeon
good warriors will still get out of d-stance if it's -10% damage when it's the right time
bad warriors will just sit d-stance all game and lose 10% of their damage
undone pumice
20%
elder wigeon
this is a hypothetical I know