pvp

[grand scaffold]

enrage is a buff

not stat stacking

it would cap with enrage at 15% by that logic

and thats not how it works

[pale minnow]

And what source gives you the right that is so?

[lucid walrus]

why even 15%

% gains don't dr

[grand scaffold]

exactly

you need

25%

or 30%

its called gcd timer

and

auto attack timers

[pale minnow]

Ye and then u stay even more squishy with like 20% vers

[grand scaffold]

what the fuck are you talking about

[lucid walrus]

i forgot gear only comes with one stat on it

[grand scaffold]

check my stats

i dont need to get low haste to have high vers

i have 38% vers

double 2h weapons helps a lot

[pale minnow]

Fair point

2 hands gives more stats

[nimble jasper]

recount

in 2022

LUL

[pale minnow]

Xd

[grand scaffold]

i like recount

[sharp meteor]

blessed boomer

[lucid walrus]

god i love using 5x more ram than i need to for meters

[sharp meteor]

where's the xperl

[nimble jasper]

doesnt even

use commas

on the numbers

my head

[sharp meteor]

👴

[grand scaffold]

i just dont like the way details feels tbh

i have to click extra buttons to use it

recount asks do i want to reset the data

i kinda like that feature

also its easy to use

even tho i know people like details and skada more

[nimble jasper]

details does that too

wat

[earnest zodiac]

This may be the cocktail I had with dinner, but

Sinful surge enduring blow

5head iq move?

[grand scaffold]

it doesnt for me

but idk how details uses

too complicated

[sharp meteor]

look at me, I'm the dstance now

[grand scaffold]

haha

yeah

warpaint is d stance now

except your dmg doesnt get reduced

just the dmg you take

[nimble jasper]

details literally has an x button

to reset data

[grand scaffold]

a bit better as long as your not cc chained

yeah

[nimble jasper]

also way more features in general

[grand scaffold]

i dont like clicking that button lmao

i know

its too complicated

[nimble jasper]

its the same button

[grand scaffold]

what

i dont press any x button on recount

[nimble jasper]

idk what reset data you want then

theres no reason to reset the data anyway

💀

[grand scaffold]

just use your addon

i like my addon

[nimble jasper]

basically this

[grand scaffold]

lmao

[nimble jasper]

recount doesnt have like

a deathtracker

or cc received tracker

[grand scaffold]

i dont really care tbh

[nimble jasper]

to check when my cc received from mage lock

exceeds triple digits

[grand scaffold]

probably does

byt

i dont really need that

but*

[lucid walrus]

i enjoy seeing how many clones and traps i reflected tbh

[pale minnow]

Bro i wanna see the dstance nerf

[nimble jasper]

also you cant set nicknames

[sharp meteor]

spending 11 minutes waddling around vs wizards then eventually killing the frost mage in 1.1 seconds

[nimble jasper]

which makes details the best

[grand scaffold]

d stance is nerfed

nobody here is lying to you

[lucid walrus]

it's just 10% wall instead of 20%

[grand scaffold]

so use details

[sharp meteor]

he had block too no caut to save you frostyboi

[nimble jasper]

dinging mages

is the best

when no caut

[sharp meteor]

or killing them through caut 🤤

[nimble jasper]

maledict caut

guy insta seeds

we like that

[grand scaffold]

go and check the patch notes for class changes

legit says

[nimble jasper]

nicknames are the best

[grand scaffold]

d stance nerfed to 10% in pvp

[nimble jasper]

nothing like killing a guy and him seeing

“anyone seeb my hotdog?” on details

[sharp meteor]

here u go papi

50% nerf

HECK

[lucid walrus]

can't use this name ingame so i just pretend

[grand scaffold]

haha

d stance so ass now

20% less dmg done

10% less dmg taken

[pale minnow]

Broh.... wtf is this bs?

[grand scaffold]

its called

[pale minnow]

It's not worth at all to even have dstance now

[grand scaffold]

warpaint > d stance

yeah

exactly

[pale minnow]

Legit

[grand scaffold]

see

i told you

nobody was lying

[pale minnow]

Parry > enrageregen

Still

[grand scaffold]

eh

against melee

parry is definitely better

but

i can use enraged regen while im stunned

and i can heal

[pale minnow]

Yeah try healing on evasion or blur

[grand scaffold]

try using parry against a lock

[pale minnow]

30% still

[grand scaffold]

enraged regen is 30% too

you do realize that

[pale minnow]

No shit sherlock

Im glad that fury comes on the table

But wtf is this nerf?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

i like the d stance nerf

arms was way too tanky

[sharp meteor]

then nerf parry or ip aaaaaaaa

[grand scaffold]

fury gonna be meta spec for once

gonna be neat

yeah

but

[pale minnow]

Meta lmao

[grand scaffold]

the problem was d stance

[sharp meteor]

idk if it was

[pale minnow]

Warrior will fall to like a-b tier now

[grand scaffold]

yeah

arms probably c tier

[sharp meteor]

not that hard but if every matchup is just pve warr then it could be scuffed

[grand scaffold]

arms is lacking dmg compared to fury

[lucid walrus]

weird they touch that and not ignore pain if they're going after offheals

[little lava]

do u lose honor points after 9.2 patch?

[lucid walrus]

probably not

we didn't last time

[sharp meteor]

Honor isn't touched, no.

[manic patio]

so are you guys going fury or arms at the start before double legos/tier sets?

[lucid walrus]

gonna see how arms feels. hesitant to swap

[grand scaffold]

FURY

the set bonus

IS CRAZY

you basically cant get kited

and also

glory is crazy for fury

[manic patio]

in pve, apparently necro fury does the best single target if you can stay on your target with the set and lego, is it the same in pvpc cause that looks fun

[grand scaffold]

if you had reckless abandon

just spam crushing blow

and recklessness

[manic patio]

I've been playing arms since S1 so it might be nice for fury to pop off

[grand scaffold]

100% uptime

i miss season 1 tbh

spamming condemn was fun

[manic patio]

yeah haha

[near delta]

https://twitter.com/Supatease/status/1496220178715136002

Supatease 💪 (@Supatease)

“Tanks in 9.2 be something else. 42k shield slams. https://t.co/hDnUXwvwP1“

Twitter · Feb 22, 2022, 8:27 PM

[grand scaffold]

yeah

the prot tier set awesome too

[near delta]

Gross

[pale minnow]

What's with the fury set bonus?

[grand scaffold]

basically

2 piece

raging blow hits 15% harder and gets 1 more charge

pretty awesome

4 piece set

[sharp meteor]

crankin

[grand scaffold]

raging blow has a 20% chance to proc recklessness for 4 sec

so if you have reckless abandon your not kitable

[tired portal]

until you get cucked by disarm

[grand scaffold]

yeah

just fear disarm a warrior

and they get screwed

[pale minnow]

Low cr mentality

Anyhow the fury bonus set looks dope

[manic patio]

what lego do we go as necro fury

[near delta]

Also with necro you can have like 60%-80%+ uptime on banner with the fury bonus

[grand scaffold]

what is wrong with you bro

i can fear disarm an arms warrior

and they cant parry anymore

[grand scaffold]

signet of tormented kings

with haste vers

[pale minnow]

Waste fear on bs like that lmao

[grand scaffold]

bruh

obviously you dont use fear like that

[manic patio]

ty @grand scaffold 🙂

[grand scaffold]

its hypothetical

😄

always happy to help

[grand scaffold]

make sure its on ring slot btw

not bracers

[plain wing]

yall realize its gonna be atleast like 2 months from now

until you have 4 piece most likely

6 weeks at best

[grand scaffold]

yeah

probably

but

its still gonna be crazy

[manic patio]

is that cause bracers is a tier slot or something?

[plain wing]

you think blizz wont pick up any tuning for 8 weeks? hahah

[grand scaffold]

nah

just double rings with haste is strong af

idk anything about how this tier crap works

[manic patio]

ahh k, that makes sense

[pale minnow]

Well, i'm curious now what's gonna happen with these nerfs

[grand scaffold]

WHAT THE F

I DID 2/7 CHAPTERS

AND IT JUST RESET

WHAT

IS

THIS

NONSENSE

oh wait

i logged onto an alt

lmao

mb

i think the nerfs are quite good

especially to hybrid classes

they were too annoying before

[manic patio]

frenzy regen nerf

[pale minnow]

Bro... they just need to remove all healing from every dps spec

Enough of cunt ass bs ret pala outhealing my healer in 2s

@grand scaffold dude

We need thirst for battle back

Pvp talent from bfa

Also thinking of getting siegebreaker legendary + covenant

Imagine having half colosus smash on target always 15% more dmg + heal reduc

[grand scaffold]

yeah

that pvp talent was awesome

removing all healing from dps is too far tho

it just cant be on the lvl of a healer

[spice hornet]

They need to take a look at mage healing

[grand scaffold]

yeah

mage is ridiculous

fury was fine last xpac

with 5% healing for battle trance and blood thirst instead of 3%

that was a bit of an unnecessary nerf

btw

if a ret is outhealing your healer

ret is probably playing well

or

healer is doing something wrong

ret healing isnt that awesome

what healer are you playing with?

[near delta]

Yeah it'll be interesting to see what AWC peeps run on the tournament realm in the cup next month since they should have everything unlocked I think

[hasty fractal]

I don't understand the nerf to def stance. So def stance now gives the enemy a net 10% damage increase? wtf?

[near delta]

Nah it gives them a 10% damage decrease hitting us while giving us a 20% damage decrease hitting them so a really bad trade

[hasty fractal]

Yeah what I said, they get a net 10% increase.

Not to mention the nerf to Death Sentence. God forbid IF we have enough rage AND the target stays under 35% that druid might not be able to kite us...

[spice hornet]

they needed to make sure nothing stands in RMXs way this season

[spice hornet]

death sentence is a dead talent

it sitll has the bug where it doesnt charge you to the target

[sharp meteor]

aaaaaaaaa

[bright stream]

eh DS still decent

what slots are people running legendaries in?

[pale minnow]

Was on alt playing survi hunt + holy priest and the game went till 50% damp vs feral + ret

Like any dps class shouldn't heal at all not even close to a healer because it's retarded

[grand scaffold]

well

those double hybrid comps die over time

they arent so crazy

just take practice to beat

and also

hpriest healing somewhat trash

low healing output

they need a dps to have durability

which is why they work with hunters and ferals

[pale minnow]

What practise dude? 1 min convoke druid and a ret should win the game after 2nd go if they are good, not after 8 min at 50% damp

There is nothing to practice about on an irrealistic dog mechanic of the game

[spice hornet]

i fought double feral at 2500 mmr it took 7min to win

[near delta]

Ah I see what you mean yup

[fickle forge]

The most damp 2s games I've played are double dps games

Xunamate on enh+boomy? 8 min game here we go

[lucid walrus]

prolly worth mentioning you can get phys tabards for 100 honor off conq vendor

[knotty tangle]

@pale minnow you should never lose to a convoke druid since u can always trade defensives on the go

[sharp meteor]

You were able to buy them on any char for a few hours after patch came out Now it seems to require the elite achi for that season

[sharp meteor]

Gotta factor in teammates, like fire mage

[knotty tangle]

Well he said ret pala

Always have a trinket for convoke and you are good

[sharp meteor]

Trinket kick, bop kick, or just bubble, yeah. Paladin makes it annoying in a vacuum.

[lucid walrus]

that's funny af actually

[sharp meteor]

I went to whinge about it somewhere then went and checked again on an alt and they were gone, which keeps it a little more consistent with how they've handled tabards in the past which is cool.

Acc gets the appearance, but the char with rating gets the item.

[lucid walrus]

for sure

first-time tabard owner, glad they did that

[nimble jasper]

corrupted tabard andys

always make me go

[lucid walrus]

inflated season enjoyer

[nimble jasper]

unchained just as bad

unironically

LOL

[pale minnow]

the convoke druid was the lesser problem, the ret was the problem

[lucid walrus]

oh for sure

r1 cutoffs were similar to corrupted yeah?

[nimble jasper]

notorious was a sick season name

[sharp meteor]

hey a tabard is tabard 🥰

[nimble jasper]

uhh

r1 cutoff higher

[lucid walrus]

jesus christ

[nimble jasper]

psure r1 cutoff in corrupted

[lucid walrus]

sinister has always been funny to me esp on a lock or sp

[nimble jasper]

was not like 3450

[sharp meteor]

this season more inflated

[nimble jasper]

sinister season ahh

the season of crucible glads

[sharp meteor]

bfa s4 was like 200 points lower

[nimble jasper]

sinister season

actually made me wanna die inside

[knotty tangle]

Did anyone see r1 eu cutoff?

[nimble jasper]

oh the rdruid got 1 global?

add 2 mins to the game

[knotty tangle]

Did it reach 3.6?

[nimble jasper]

minimum

whaazz and maro broke like 3.8 cr

so maybe

theres gonna be alot of DQs on eu likely

[fickle forge]

3559 ally R1

[nimble jasper]

so many degens

wintrading at 6-9am

on eu

[knotty tangle]

And a lot of deleted charrs lol

[nimble jasper]

ezpump

clearly best dk world

only q's at 5-6am

[lucid walrus]

what the fuck LOL

[fickle forge]

Some dude released a list explaining how 70% of the EU R1s were wintraded/RMT abusers

[lucid walrus]

@knotty tangle here's EU

very very close

[knotty tangle]

Insane

[pale minnow]

and what do you think? is it true?

[knotty tangle]

So r1 is basically just a club with exclusive members. Nice.

[fickle forge]

Not gonna even begin to have an opinion on it lol

[nimble jasper]

EU does

even more RMT than NA

[fickle forge]

There's major bank in being R1

[nimble jasper]

then you got leoww

selling carries 24/7

prob lives in some favela country

[sharp meteor]

It's kind of annoying because the people at the top are good, but if they all know each other they can always help each other out.

[nimble jasper]

where boosting arena makes more money than a dayjob

so i respect the hustle ig

[sharp meteor]

Yeah kept queuing into asbur the other day playing with some guy that apparently had to pay people to queue with him because he likes running megalo every game

[knotty tangle]

Wtf is rmt?

[nimble jasper]

real money trading

[lucid walrus]

real money trading

[knotty tangle]

Ooh

[sharp meteor]

Real money transaction/trading, basically paying cash for anything in the game.

Whcih is a big nono but hard to detect in the case of selfplays

[fickle forge]

I feel like nobody had their R1s removed though

[lucid walrus]

it's why that big acc sharing banwave happened yeah?

[fickle forge]

Blizz targeted mage tower pilots?

[sharp meteor]

That was mostl ymage tower pilots i think lel

[lucid walrus]

oh right it was MT pilots

funny

[nimble jasper]

mage tower pilot is

[sharp meteor]

I do know a few casual pve players who bought a, get this, rival pilot, and they got nuked, but they might've also gotten a mt pilot so idk

[nimble jasper]

what the fuck

that shit was easy

as hell

[sharp meteor]

Soccer moms want their roid bear form

[fickle forge]

Retail R1 wintrade: I sleep
TBC R1 wintrade: Real shit

[nimble jasper]

i did roid bear form challenge and honestly

[sharp meteor]

TBC is still fresh and they probably don't wanna fuck around too much

[nimble jasper]

i still have no clue how to play that spec

i just did it in boomy form

then pressed thrash a few times

when the guy came out

[bright stream]

so - looking at the 2set/4set for pvp, 3/5 pieces wont have vers on them. Are people thinknig head+shoulders for vers 2set + pvp gear, or 4 set using 2 non-vers pieces?

[sharp meteor]

yeah literally me, plus the pod trinket to nuke the adds

[sharp meteor]

almost certainly 4pc

[bright stream]

yep so probably legs/hands to avoid mast and vers loss then?

(for piece 3 and 4)

[cunning jungle]

Hey guys, my Kyrian is at 60 renown on my Arms warrior atm, and im thinking about changing it to Necro cause some people says its better on pvp...and also because I dislike the kyrian spells and aesthetic lol

what are ur opinions *

[undone pumice]

do it

nobody cares what cov u are except u

[torpid willow]

My best friend is playing an arms warrior for one of her two pvp characters this season and I want to play a dps that synergizes well with her but I really don't like slow classes(e.g. DK and ret). I saw that Windwalker is a good partner in 3s. How does that comp play? Also does it work really well in just general BGs along side an arms warrior? What are some other fast melee/ranged dps that play well with warriors in arenas?

Druid is off the table sadly because I am playing with her BM hunter on that character. XD

[knotty tangle]

Go dh

Or u can go surv hunter and play kfc

[sharp meteor]

Havoc, Windwalker or Enhancement.

For bgs I'd say bring a healer friend or go Enhancement, as Havoc/WW don't really have external support for the warr.

[fickle forge]

Literally any class but rogue

[torpid willow]

Thank you both. Out of those classes you mentioned, are any of them especially easier than the others? I generally just go until 1800 (but I might try to push for 2k this season) but I am also usually pretty high for my games as well. XD

[fickle forge]

Arms is the square hole of comps; literally anything fits into it

[torpid willow]

I heard there is some bad dissynergy there. XD

[sharp meteor]

Havoc is pretty easy.

Also I didn't see you mention range but Hunter also works nicely.

[nimble jasper]

I mean the easiest two you dont like playing

but havoc is up there as well

[torpid willow]

nice!

[fickle forge]

Think what fits your description the best is enhancement shaman though

Fits well in all the content you've listed and both compensate each other well

[nimble jasper]

ret war to 2k you can just

[fickle forge]

Easy to play as well

[nimble jasper]

pop cds out the gates

and ding whoever is in range/no wall up

[sharp meteor]

or hit one guy then do a 321 then ding the other guy

[knotty tangle]

So can hunter and havoc with a warr

Literally free rating

[fickle forge]

KFC is meh

[torpid willow]

thank you everyone. 🙂

[sharp meteor]

mm kfc is great

[knotty tangle]

Necro warr necro mm kfc is disgusting

[fickle forge]

Still kinda meh though

[sharp meteor]

what do you mean meh

you just live until they die

[fickle forge]

Wasn't Mag and Cropq taking big D on 3.3k as MM KFC?

Eventually broke up no?

[sharp meteor]

not sure didn't get that high

[fickle forge]

Pretty sure they switched comps cause it didn't work out

[knotty tangle]

They played vs cdew yesterday no?

3.4 cr i believe

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor ngl

[knotty tangle]

Maybe was diff comp

[nimble jasper]

i played some ret war the other day

felt my brain cells dying

this comp is retarded

[fickle forge]

I mean if Mag of all people is hovering below R1 cutoff 👀

[nimble jasper]

dew's team missed r1

by over 100 pts

[sharp meteor]

yeah he was in the depths

queuing into me

maldiva too

[nimble jasper]

maldiva be like

"warlock bad"

[sharp meteor]

i have to pull up his stream because he has a stroke

[nimble jasper]

psure cloudluti is in r1 range

as demo

[sharp meteor]

whenever my mw presses revival

and rips all his shit off

[fickle forge]

When you press Healing Sphere and collect lock tears

[sharp meteor]

we haven't played sphere yet, just uhh dome and counteract then revival i think

usually we just mong the spriest

[knotty tangle]

But how on earth did cdew and the boys miss r1?

[sharp meteor]

i think mes was practicing warr a lot

[fickle forge]

Maybe they just didn't have the mettle this season

R1 spots were very few

[knotty tangle]

Warr ww is good no?

[sharp meteor]

yeah queue into cringe kitties all day, or rmp

these matches are mentally taxing

[fickle forge]

I'd have /afk

[knotty tangle]

Ah kyrian kitty?

[fickle forge]

Is the game not sub-4 min? /afk

[sharp meteor]

yeah necro warr kyrian feral with usually rdruid or priest

usually priest actually and it's stressful amounts of burst, and they're super durable

get to nine minues and somebody flinches then the cat bites your head off

[fickle forge]

Should be possible to actually oom an Rdruid now 👀

25% mana nerf is king

[sharp meteor]

their mana should be dog yeah

[nimble jasper]

idk why they didnt just q

rsham dh boomy

[sharp meteor]

the play was already get hots out then make sure team is safe between goes then go to sip

[nimble jasper]

I've always thought cdew's team was one of the weaker awc ones

on NA

[sharp meteor]

idk maybe they content with just chillin and streaming

[fickle forge]

I'm sure they could have grabbed the R1 if they really wanted it

[nimble jasper]

i mean

they were spam q'ing in the 32-33 range for over a week

dunno about that

[idle cliff]

Smexxin doesn't stream does he? He's queuing Fury and Mag keeps queuing into him

[lucid walrus]

p sure he does

[nimble jasper]

sometimes he does

[idle cliff]

I'd like to see Fury POV at that rating with other comps

Ah he does stream, found his twitch, but he

but he's offline* 😦

[nimble jasper]

yeah i mean

[sharp meteor]

also wow this new torghast thing is fun

[nimble jasper]

sometimes people just wanna chill

and play

[sharp meteor]

the gauntlet thing

[nimble jasper]

not turn on stream

[idle cliff]

Truth, I'd be happy with a silent stream even, but I guess that's not how it works

[nimble jasper]

cant really expect streamers who dont make decent $$$ off streaming

to do it daily

[torpid willow]

are the pvp tier set bonuses the same as pve for 9.2?

[fickle forge]

Yes

[fickle forge]

Also to prevent yourself from taking the sniper shot

[nimble jasper]

also a bit distracting for some people

to play as well while streaming

[fickle forge]

Streaming when playing something like fury warr is a death sentence

[torpid willow]

thank you 🙂

[nimble jasper]

ik curney said thats why he never streams

says he plays alot worse when streaming

[fickle forge]

Every RMP/jungle/ret+warr is hungry af to snipe one and dodge the other

[nimble jasper]

[sharp meteor]

it's preseason what the

[nimble jasper]

yeah i remember whaazz was saying during the ssn

there was a jungle trying to snipe them

and a ret war trying to snipe the jungle

and they kept getting the mirror instead

while the jungle kept losing pts

[fickle forge]

Yep

[idle cliff]

Imagine sniping in preseason....people are odd

[nimble jasper]

i mean sometimes people just wanna

[fickle forge]

Before season end ofc

[nimble jasper]

chill

and play

w/o having armchair experts come in chat

and tell them stuff

[fickle forge]

It really was a fiesta of RMP wanting to go into ret+warr, ret+warr wanting to do jungle and jungle wanting to do RMP

[nimble jasper]

not everyone is a legend like mies

who just says

get fked peasant

and permas people

[sharp meteor]

[fickle forge]

Chad kitty cleave just farming them all

[sharp meteor]

i wonder what it's like to queue with the meis, and if he's really like that

[nimble jasper]

i heard it depends

hes prett chill if hes queuing with like jah/juke/fuse

with avg glads/lower

yeah full reee

[nimble jasper]

but for same reason

some people will just troll while queuing

to watch mies screech

[sharp meteor]

poor meta actually seems super stressed when he plays

[scarlet barn]

R1 is easy dont pray for me

[nimble jasper]

all the actual good players dont wanna q with him

so hes stuck q'ing with prot pal mains

and shit

[fickle forge]

4k rating is izi

[fickle forge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CarefulStylishCormorantDAESuppy-CzGOoaXrqsm_Ejvt

YOU GOTTA DIG DEEP

[nimble jasper]

dig deep into these nuts

[idle cliff]

I don't think I'm shit glass type of dig deep, hard pass

[sharp meteor]

3158

shambles

oh his shaman 3.3 hm

high blood pressure just to get the same welfare dragon as everybody else smh

[fickle forge]

You've got a higher virtual number though

[elder wigeon]

yea big sadge there's a 1000 rating gap between glad and r1

[nimble jasper]

psure i watched meta tank wizk out of r1 range

[sharp meteor]

it's too goddamn big

[nimble jasper]

for losing like 3-4 games in a 5 game sesh

[fickle forge]

It's more

[elder wigeon]

we need old glad back

[fickle forge]

EU is 1200 rating gap

[sharp meteor]

ya old glad or glad at 2700

[elder wigeon]

nah just old glad back

keep elite

give tabard and elite set at 2400

[sharp meteor]

yaya but they wont do that i imagine

[elder wigeon]

2400 is the new 1800

[sharp meteor]

and they like their big seasons

[nimble jasper]

new seasons would mean

[sharp meteor]

also priest friend says kitty feels like shit now

[nimble jasper]

they would have to push changes

more than once every few months

😂

[elder wigeon]

we will see how the meta develops

[sharp meteor]

it sucks the current structure of things because its fun early but no reason to play unless they rug mmr again

[elder wigeon]

I think warrior will be middle of the pack A tier

[sharp meteor]

middle is dead

[elder wigeon]

you take a lot of dmg right now

[sharp meteor]

then high glad r1 push in the last 2 weeks

[elder wigeon]

yea i mean i got my glad first few days of the seasons

was front page for a little while

[sharp meteor]

my healer for past two seasons only queued hour and a halfish a week so curious to see how this season feels

although might get rival on everything for elite sets super early so i don't have to setup the alts further

[nimble jasper]

tbh

i wish they hit damage done in d

not the dr

[sharp meteor]

why not IP or die by the sword CD aaaaaaaaaaaa

[nimble jasper]

IP is fine wdym

[elder wigeon]

ignore pain just should've been nerfed by 25% in pvp

[nimble jasper]

not like its the best thing to spend rage on

besides ms

[sharp meteor]

never thought i'd see the day

[nimble jasper]

need bis macro

more than ever

[sharp meteor]

50% nerf to dstance AAAAAAAA

[nimble jasper]

but yeah been saying that IP for arms

is too much

value for what it provides

[fickle forge]

I mean

Similar cost abilities provide more effective health

[sharp meteor]

i am going to be so sad if warr is just bottom of the barrel and u just run at them now

[elder wigeon]

I don't think bottom of the barrel

A tier is my educated guess

[fickle forge]

Link degree?

[elder wigeon]

turbo is going to be a S tier comp this patch

[sharp meteor]

yeah i am optimistic about my comp especially if wizards rise up and meta slows down

my mw is super ready

[elder wigeon]

@fickle forge https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897160788664520704/945508013849075762/unknown.png got this at oxford

[fickle forge]

That's pretty valuable

But remember when we had a 3k/3.5k warr saying you should pick Cleave and the DW healing conduit?

👀

[elder wigeon]

cleave is a joke

[steep inlet]

Ludus lad posted inflation study

It’s 300 overall

[elder wigeon]

just depends on where you're at

[steep inlet]

https://luduslabs.org/articles/rating-inflation-and-reward-structure

[elder wigeon]

most of the inflation went to the top .1%

[steep inlet]

Yes that’s why I said overall

y

[tired portal]

doesnt seem like it will be fun in 2's though

[sharp meteor]

Funny, I was wondering about that a while ago.

[fickle forge]

Considering last season's average was 1350 and this season it's like 1750

[sharp meteor]

Like if you got cleave onto pets, and/or the game slowed down.

[nimble jasper]

warrior fun in 2s

[steep inlet]

Read the article

[nimble jasper]

lol

[fickle forge]

Maybe now warr vs warr 2s games won't last 15 minutes

[elder wigeon]

I don't think warrior is as viable in 2's anymore

[fickle forge]

It wasn't even this season

[elder wigeon]

hunters will be a complete counter

[sharp meteor]

yeah i will not touch 2s

[nimble jasper]

already were

[fickle forge]

Warr+Rdruid/Rsham was pretty good, but surv hunters, rogues and WWs were beating them at higher 2s

[elder wigeon]

well, I'm saying with them being able to run pouch it puts them over the edge

[nimble jasper]

any hunter that doesnt belong in the 1600 bracket

[elder wigeon]

you cannot beat a hunter in 2's next season

[sharp meteor]

yeah they eat your face

[nimble jasper]

felt awful to play war into

[fickle forge]

Could you this season?

Did surv+Rdruid have any counter at all?

[nimble jasper]

their own stupidity

[sharp meteor]

uh outlaw?

probably like something with outlaw

[nimble jasper]

nah even outlaw gets farmed

by surv

[fickle forge]

Pretty sure surv just traps outlaw to death and goes healer

[sharp meteor]

outlaw can break roots

[nimble jasper]

yeah raz was complaining

[lucid walrus]

just watched hpriest/sub get 3 brezzes off

[nimble jasper]

about how stupid it was

[fickle forge]

Freezing trap ofc

[lucid walrus]

fun comp

[nimble jasper]

i think he said that

[elder wigeon]

extreeeeemely hard, I can beat ssds sometimes but chunli, nope

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah hpriest can rez now in spirit form that is neat

[nimble jasper]

if surv is playing with a priest

its winnable as outlaw

if rdruid

yeah no chance

[sharp meteor]

i had so many games vs ssds in 3s

[elder wigeon]

croqp + flop is pretty much unbeatable at least at my skill level

[sharp meteor]

he was always queuing with some fox rsham

[nimble jasper]

xsaana?

[sharp meteor]

ye

[nimble jasper]

psure thats his egirl

[elder wigeon]

haha

nah they're friends

[sharp meteor]

worst matchup this season was queuing into kubz/wm and flop on kitty and we had a mw

[elder wigeon]

xsaana is revolol's ex girlfriend

[nimble jasper]

[elder wigeon]

[nimble jasper]

saw nessper q into dilly and kubzy

as surv rdru

[sharp meteor]

hmm

[nimble jasper]

dilly dms him how his farts smell

nessper be like

[sharp meteor]

yeah assa into surv/rdruid is just like

get me out

[nimble jasper]

“this is the guy im getting farmed in 2s by”

nah he was outlaw

[elder wigeon]

assassination rogues are gonna melt our face off with shit d-stance in 2's

[sharp meteor]

oh really yeah that's the way to do it

[elder wigeon]

gonna get trained into the ground for sure

[sharp meteor]

yep

[nimble jasper]

raz said

[fickle forge]

Luckily, dmg output feels insane for warr

[nimble jasper]

you can beat surv in 2s only if they q

[fickle forge]

Kyrians with EB is massive

[nimble jasper]

without an rdruid

otherwise surv rdru

[elder wigeon]

yeah i mean war is a glass cannon

[sharp meteor]

lmao nice damage while you're in a kidney idiot

[nimble jasper]

100% wr

[sharp meteor]

whoops now i'm behind the pillar because you're slowed by 70% and/or disarmed

[fickle forge]

Just get BoP from your ret broski

[sharp meteor]

now feint/vial

okay back in kidney

[nimble jasper]

wonder if the outlaw play

is to just deadzone

all game

[sharp meteor]

that's hard

[nimble jasper]

ye

[sharp meteor]

unreliably hard i think

[nimble jasper]

i swear it’d be so toxic

if easy to do

xd

[fickle forge]

Optimal play next season is to play triple kyrian warr+ret+Hpala

Never die to assassa

[sharp meteor]

i rly wanna play outlaw tho,. are legendaries cheaper yet?

[elder wigeon]

nah just play kyrian fury war with a dk

[nimble jasper]

its fun

except into other rogues its kinda

shambles

[elder wigeon]

fury is like 2.3x more fun than arms war

[fickle forge]

Say sike right now

[undone pumice]

fury +sub

bis

[elder wigeon]

not gonna say sike

[sharp meteor]

fury is just good unga bunga fun yes slam isn't a good button

[scarlet barn]

if you ever slam as Fury

Uninstall the game

[fickle forge]

And if you ever slam as Fury

[sharp meteor]

as arms

[fickle forge]

The enemy should uninstall the game

Gottem

[elder wigeon]

if you slam as fury you're hyper trolling

[steep inlet]

Think I will try Fury in 9.2 btw

[sharp meteor]

forgot slam was a baseline ability until recently, thought it was arms only

[elder wigeon]

you'd think slam would do something for fury

but no it's a negative dps global

[sharp meteor]

you'd think they'd do something with these meme ass shield abilities

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[fickle forge]

Def gonna try to see how far UDK TSG can go

[nimble jasper]

some boomers

[elder wigeon]

maybe, just maybe make sword and shield an integral part of warrior design

[nimble jasper]

wanted the shields back

[scarlet barn]

Kill people with slam. Basically /spit

[sharp meteor]

i actuaally have to sit down and make sure there's no way it can actually be played

[steep inlet]

Went 2660 with unholy in 9.1.5 btw, can’t wait to try in 9.2

[fickle forge]

Unironically, Shield Block is a decent wall

[undone pumice]

maybe just add back stances

[nimble jasper]

wasnt petkick

[scarlet barn]

It is great wall

[nimble jasper]

almost r1 as unholy tsg

[sharp meteor]

it seemed dece into physical stuff

[fickle forge]

Not almost, R1

[sharp meteor]

thought he made cutoff

[nimble jasper]

think he missed

[sharp meteor]

3462?

[fickle forge]

SB is like 35%-40% wall vs some abilities

[nimble jasper]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/shadowlands-season-2-arena-cutoff-concern/1188593/14

[steep inlet]

I play unhinged necro with a unholy friend love it

[nimble jasper]

unless there was another dk at high rating

[fickle forge]

He should be above

[sharp meteor]

oh shambles last win might've not counted hm

[scarlet barn]

If you see unga bunga ret/war. Just unga bunga wall?

[fickle forge]

Unga bunga

Once pressed unga bunga wall into necro warr and took that 3.5k MS

[plain wing]

Watchinf magnusz do 2s

And it makes me a sad boy… arms takes so much damage holy shit

Keeps queueing into smexxin who is running fury, and its a lot of dam

[fickle forge]

Seems equal?

[elder wigeon]

fury will do a lot more dam with the tier set

[tired portal]

and dont they get a perma charge as well or something?

[scarlet barn]

Well if they will play RA

talent, then maybe?

[undone pumice]

reckless abadon turns ragin blow into a mini charge yeah

[sharp meteor]

@fickle forge 🧠

[undone pumice]

most people also run the vonduit that gives rampage a 40+% chance to refund a raging blow charge

so fury is much harder to run from

[fickle forge]

Jeez he was ready to ban me there and then lmao

"So fucking happy I listened to my twitch chatter man, thanks for that"

[sharp meteor]

Pact is a big absorb to go through.

[warped warren]

[undone pumice]

dragon roar ever viable?

[sharp meteor]

Over bladestorm? I don't think so.

Fury BS actually does damage, procs stuff if you're signet, short cd, dodge cc, etc.

[fickle forge]

FUCK

[undone pumice]

but dragon roar siegebreaker TURBO JUICER 1 shot

[near inlet]

IF critic

[undone pumice]

all my gear already has crit

[scarlet barn]

translate

[undone pumice]

mesage removed from moderator

[grand scaffold]

not really

dragon roar kinda sucks

but its fun for the 1 shot build

bladestorm with the signet proc

is massive

[undone pumice]

go dragon roar in BG got it

[grand scaffold]

NO

[undone pumice]

i dont have signet i just use elysian might

[grand scaffold]

bladestorm in everything

[radiant hamlet]

What do you guys use for world content? Fury or arms?

[grand scaffold]

fury

arms is bad at 1v1

[undone pumice]

fury because healing

[radiant hamlet]

So yall fury in zereth mortis rn

[grand scaffold]

yeah

in pvp too

[undone pumice]

fury is alsk fun juicer spec to slay alliance dogs

[radiant hamlet]

And necro?

[scarlet barn]

Warrior in general is bad in 1v1 tbh

[grand scaffold]

not really

[undone pumice]

yes

[grand scaffold]

i can beat ferals playing fury

[undone pumice]

but fury is 100x better than arms

[grand scaffold]

necro ftw

yeahg

[scarlet barn]

Then you are facing noob ferals

kek

[radiant hamlet]

True fuck alliance dogs

[scarlet barn]

@fickle forge

[grand scaffold]

i play alliance

lol

[undone pumice]

dont?

[radiant hamlet]

Bark for me

[grand scaffold]

alliance less toxic tbh

haha

thats a good one ngl

[undone pumice]

i joined horde becauae it is toxic

totally not all my friends being horde since 2009

[grand scaffold]

my friends always been playing alliance

[radiant hamlet]

If horde isnt toxic, what’s horde good for anyways

[undone pumice]

zug zug

[radiant hamlet]

Like, have you seen orc female pvpers who are actually friendly?

Lmao i got like “kys” from atleast 90% of them

[undone pumice]

i havent seen an orc female

[grand scaffold]

i havent seen an orc female

LMAO

[sharp meteor]

what the

[undone pumice]

actually no thats a lie

[grand scaffold]

i only saw mud once

[fickle forge]

Warr loses to just about anything in 1v1, especially ferals

[grand scaffold]

thats the only person

[undone pumice]

theyre just all in stealth because theyre all playing rogue

[scarlet barn]

[grand scaffold]

it does until you pop reckless banner

then they cant run

[radiant hamlet]

Have you seen necro fury on ptr?

[undone pumice]

recklessness

siegebreaker

[scarlet barn]

lol

[radiant hamlet]

I swear i face tanked every ret’s wings

[undone pumice]

50k dragon roar

[grand scaffold]

siegebreaker is ass tho

[undone pumice]

i know

[scarlet barn]

Good feral just kites you

[radiant hamlet]

And outzugged them

[scarlet barn]

negates you

[undone pumice]

but dragon roar siegebreaker is funny

[scarlet barn]

And then bleeds you out

If you beat feral as fury, you faced noob feral

Thats the fact

[grand scaffold]

ok

so

[sharp meteor]

lol a good feral

any feral

[radiant hamlet]

But yeah war gets rekt vs kite-heavy classes

Wtb old bt slow removal

[sharp meteor]

unless they sit on their hands and let you 1-bang them with all cds in a stun

[scarlet barn]

or if they get stroke halfway through

you maybe win

[undone pumice]

war gets recked by literally almost every class in 1v1

[sharp meteor]

yeah that's your only chance

[radiant hamlet]

Fury necro on ptr was really strong

Won almost everyone that dueled me

[undone pumice]

only like a holy priest genuinely loses to you 1v1

[grand scaffold]

fury necro is awesome tbh

[formal creek]

Morning people hows the patch day goin

[grand scaffold]

good!

the quests arent so horrible

[undone pumice]

i want to swal to necro eventually but my only leggo is elysian might and im broke

[grand scaffold]

i got 3/7 chapters done pretty easily

just do callings

[radiant hamlet]

Going so great i decided to log out and have some fresh air since im on EU and it isnt live yet

[grand scaffold]

on every toon

you get a lot of gold

[scarlet barn]

This tbh

[undone pumice]

i onlu have 1 toon

[formal creek]

Cool cool

[undone pumice]

why bother with more than 1 warrior

wiat

2 WARRIOR

[grand scaffold]

i have like 12 alts

but not more than 2 warriors

[radiant hamlet]

Would it be fine if we missed all 9.1.5 content and dived into 9.2 ?

[sharp meteor]

i wanted one necro, one kyrian, then one alliance

[radiant hamlet]

I believe only the cov campaign kinda matters

[grand scaffold]

you legit dont need anything to do with 9.1.5 aside from gear

oh yeah

cov campaign

[sharp meteor]

figured they'd do cross-faction stuff in next expansion prepatch but they doing it in 9.2.5

[grand scaffold]

but thats like 9.0.5

[radiant hamlet]

Good might be rerolling to war from ww

[raw summit]

EM spear for more crit

[radiant hamlet]

Because they murdered ww kinda

[undone pumice]

thats my legendary

[raw summit]

Ww>wari

In pvp

Imo

[radiant hamlet]

Dude what

[grand scaffold]

uhm no

ww = floppy af

just high dmg

[radiant hamlet]

^

[grand scaffold]

not tanky like warrior

[raw summit]

We got nerfed and are Floppy too

[sharp meteor]

i mean you have buttons to not be squish

[radiant hamlet]

Still way more tanky imo

[sharp meteor]

and mobility

[undone pumice]

reck, spear, siegebreaker, enrage, dragon roar

[raw summit]

Monk better imo but warrior is fun

So i stay warri

[grand scaffold]

warrior ftw

FURY FTW

[undone pumice]

FURY

GAMINF

[radiant hamlet]

Warrior looking s tier raid, s tier m+ (probs the only melee passing ww in raw aoe dmg and st) and its still super good in pvp

[raw summit]

Onslaught gaming?

[radiant hamlet]

So yeah seems like the ultimate melee for 9.2

[grand scaffold]

NAH

only frenzy and massacre

[undone pumice]

wtf is onalaught

[raw summit]

[lucid walrus]

dogshit talent

[grand scaffold]

onslaught is a talent

but it sucks

[undone pumice]

i havent opened my talents page since 8.3

ah the one with the mace?

uh yeah so basically if u take that its more troll than using slam

[severe skiff]

Feel like fury is going to catch some nerfs for pve reasons

don't they get like crazy good banner uptime come double legendary which is a prety potent cooldown for other dps too

[raw summit]

Their Banner drops almost fully if disarmed

So yea

[scarlet barn]

Eu is up

[lucid walrus]

p sure glory extension only applies to the warr

could be very wrong

[raw summit]

Only wari

[radiant hamlet]

How do we do against rmp?

As a class

[elder wigeon]

you get slam dunked if you don't have trinket for a duel one dance

otherwise, RMP's don't try to kill you that often but with d-stance nerfs, I expect that to change

warriors overall are strong into RMP as of 9.1.5 but not a counter in anyway

WPS does very well into RMP, but basically every other warrior comp doesn't do that well, not because of warrior, but because RMP is just so disgusting

ret warrior gets farmed by RMP for example

[radiant hamlet]

I see

you think WPS will become way more weaker with the nerfs to SP aswell?

[grand scaffold]

how many chapters of the new zone are we able to complete as of right now?

[radiant hamlet]

3

[elder wigeon]

yeah the nerfs to SP definitely makes WPS weaker into RMP

if I had to imagine for next patch, WPS should be 50/50 into RMP or something like 40/60

RMP has received nothing but buffs from all these nerfs/changes essentially indirectly

[radiant hamlet]

jesus

Well, would you say warrior is still strong enough that its worth rerolling to?

[elder wigeon]

warrior in no way can be S tier like before but a solid A tier

the nerf to d-stance is too substantial with everything else in the meta getting buffed or heavily benefiting from double legendary

warriors hit real fuckin hard but feel the heat a lot more, WW does unhealable damage to warriors with the d-stance nerf

[grand scaffold]

is there a reason to do the side quests in the new zone?

[elder wigeon]

was playing some 2900 2's earlier against sp ww and was pretty much dying through every CD even when trading perfectly

[radiant hamlet]

its funny because i was rerolling from WW because i feel that its going to be way weaker now

[radiant hamlet]

was the ww kyrian or necro?

[elder wigeon]

Necro ofc

[radiant hamlet]

ah

[elder wigeon]

I'm forced to exclusively use spear defensively against a WW monk in that situation

and leap away

[radiant hamlet]

oof

[elder wigeon]

you cannot live through all the CD's especially when you can disarm a parry

i think WW will stay top of A tier or bottom of S tier in 9.2

[radiant hamlet]

solid info

ty so much dude

[elder wigeon]

my word isn't god, I'm just a 3100 warrior in a season where ~3460 is r1

but this would be my prediction/first impressions of what 9.2 is based on PTR and day one on patch

left most being best of that tier

Fury warrior is actually kinda insane with the tier set and double lego

squishier than arms though, but does a lot more damage

enhance is so cracked and bm damage is so insane that beast cleave might make a comeback and terrorize all of the casters which I think would be hilarious

[raw summit]

Enha is weird cuz their chain harvest you cant kick or anything :/

And i never know when the burst comes

[elder wigeon]

kekw imagine a enhance not instant casting something

not to mention pretty much every aspect of enhance has been buffed

[raw summit]

I see so few i still got no clue how i play into them

Cuz they randomly ascend doomwinds and kill you

:/

[elder wigeon]

lmao nothing better than a 50-0 ascend chain

[raw summit]

yup

Doing nothing for all game and then healer just explodes