pvp

[undone pumice]

piercing howl and start playing pve

[raw summit]

in 2s anyways

i got my spectral mose :/

i should get war trike

[undone pumice]

ocasionally disarm the woyer

[raw summit]

and use my bonker

[undone pumice]

i have mount macro

[fickle forge]

Like Light of Dawn Hpala set 😎 👍

[undone pumice]

if i can fly i go on plaguebat if i cant it puts me on great greytusk

[lucid walrus]

feel like hpal is just missing mana or they'd be nuts again

don't doubt the set being strong at all but seems they'll still run out of gas pretty quick

[raw summit]

i like fury only cuz i can use double scythe to flex

[undone pumice]

fury

take TWO loggs

[fickle forge]

700 mana regen is fine wdym

[lucid walrus]

what's other classes' avg?

[fickle forge]

No clue, but I know in PvE my Hpala has 2.1k mana regen

[undone pumice]

or TWO armageddons or TWO gorehowl

[raw summit]

armageddon on a goblin

[undone pumice]

i play orc obv

im here for the shoulderpads

[raw summit]

same

orkboi

[undone pumice]

ork man

big thunka in hand

thunk enemy on head

[zinc surge]

Does anyone know
what the upcoming season pvp enchant looks like?

[lucid walrus]

it's pretty sick. lemme find

https://clips.twitch.tv/YawningAbrasiveDunlinOpieOP-ejaOKGWj4MfFh2B3

[undone pumice]

people who use weapon enchants

[lucid walrus]

bit shiny for warrior but i'm def using that on the ret i'll be making for the pally set lmao

[undone pumice]

just go in raw with the logg

[lucid walrus]

yeah but

[raw summit]

opinons

[lucid walrus]

logg w shiny geometry

[undone pumice]

nono

[elder wigeon]

yea that enchant is the most unique in the game

really cool

[lucid walrus]

missing sprite darter wings

[undone pumice]

logg gets an enchant when you slaughter enemy

[lucid walrus]

if i had bloody dancing steel or tyranny i'd throw it on logg or something in a heartbeat

happy w my nexus reaver til i get arcanite ripper tho

[undone pumice]

i have like zero enchants

i only have mark of the thunderlord/frostwolf

[lucid walrus]

executioner from consortium rep is pretty neat. some good cheap pandaria ones too

river's song etc

[raw summit]

[undone pumice]

logg is bis

[raw summit]

imma go farm that then

[undone pumice]

acc my main set doesnt even use logg

it uses those WoD 2h axes that look like isocoles triangles

from pvp i think

[elder wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/831524655985852476/939463292873744384/unknown.png

idgaf if it's a whole ass tier set, looks good

[undone pumice]

yea

my mog looks similar im just generic WoD /Cata woyer with fire and black iron

[crystal harbor]

first time i've seen ret bar why is it so empty

[raw summit]

im just using elite set cuz im a pleb

[undone pumice]

caveman or shoulderpad sets are the onky ones ive ever tried

never tried egirl ork set

[raw summit]

female orc is fine

me n my friend after we got it

(he has the better name )

[undone pumice]

discusstang

[lucid walrus]

these?

[undone pumice]

yes

[lucid walrus]

i'm awful @ geometry

[undone pumice]

those

[raw summit]

those look so bad lmao

[undone pumice]

isocoles triangle is a triangle with 3 sides of unequal length

theyre funny tho

[raw summit]

agree

[undone pumice]

it does not even fit at all colorwise with my set

[lucid walrus]

i just know scalene's the fucked up one

[undone pumice]

i just like to hit people with a raw hunk of metal

[lucid walrus]

this thing is so damn ugly and i love it

[raw summit]

i want this

but its a fuckin dick to get

[undone pumice]

search tusker sword

most curved indeed swore

[raw summit]

the wod pvp one?

[undone pumice]

no

just tusker sword

its some vanilla world drop

[raw summit]

hella ugly

wtf

[lucid walrus]

always wanted zin'rokh

[undone pumice]

its s tier bro

[lucid walrus]

such a pain in the ass to get tho

[undone pumice]

90° angle

armageddon was a pain

[raw summit]

i got a destiny dropped

either i sell it for 90k

or i keep

[undone pumice]

give me

[lucid walrus]

i like x'caliboar more ngl

leather wrapping on it is weird in low-res but i hope we get some kinda hd zweihander sword at some pt

[undone pumice]

nathrian crusader sword

basically all venthyr s1 2h swords

[raw summit]

mythic cn sword for venth

fucking owns

[lucid walrus]

true

[undone pumice]

yeah theyre fucking LIT

but you gotta be venthyr so its massively debuffed

[fickle forge]

Unchained Gladiator Enu?

[lucid walrus]

this'd go nuts in higher res

[undone pumice]

absolutely

[raw summit]

just have 80 venth renown

[undone pumice]

no

i refuae to step into the furry roleplay hole

[raw summit]

i got it in cn

so idk

i literally went venth for the sword

[undone pumice]

smth like this

would be lit

[lucid walrus]

deadass

[undone pumice]

like have u played mordhau

[lucid walrus]

yah

[undone pumice]

its fucking lit to swing a zwei

[lucid walrus]

i'm trash but hella fun game

greatsword main

[undone pumice]

i have 2.2k hrs in mordhau lmao

[raw summit]

gravetouch greatsword

[undone pumice]

most low poly indeed

lower poly than tusker sword

[raw summit]

yup

[undone pumice]

omg

the french spotify mc donalds advertisements are so loud

french man screams about cheeseburger

[raw summit]

the low poly ones go hard on enchants

[undone pumice]

the emvhant hides the sword

so yes

[raw summit]

glowstick

[undone pumice]

very light sabre recolor

hidden transmog tech

[raw summit]

a tiny bit yea

[undone pumice]

cold iron pick from hogger is good 2h pickaxe axe

[lucid walrus]

still don't understand how you do that enchant bug. i've done it before on that one sword from revendreth but never figured out why

[warped warren]

#transmog

[lucid walrus]

[undone pumice]

this is topical we are discussing swords and axes

overpower is a sword and mortal strike is an axd

[zinc surge]

the

pvp enchant

is so fkuing ugly

god dammit im so sad

[elder wigeon]

I think it'll be pretty sick for staves

and maces

[simple rock]

why'd they remove weaps from conquest vendor?

[undone pumice]

?

[simple rock]

helping my friend gear for 9.3, apparently they removed weaps from vendor

but armor is still there

[undone pumice]

h u h

[simple rock]

yea

[undone pumice]

patch drops today anyway

and our conq gear will be like honor gear

[simple rock]

season doesn't start till next week though so you can get easy starter set with conquest

on fresh toon

[undone pumice]

just save ur cat currency

[raw summit]

imma use my last bit of conq for weapon mogs

[simple rock]

you can't

the weapons are gone

that's what i'm sayingggg

might just be a fuckup on blizzards end though

[thick reef]

Uhm is fury warior good in bg’s?

[undone pumice]

yes

he goes

bom bom vom

fresh meat also really strong in bg with how many targets there are to proc with

[gusty sand]

how bad is dstance nerf ?

[undone pumice]

yes

[elder wigeon]

it's a big nerf

[warped warren]

unplayable

reroll spec rn

[raw summit]

go rm or kittycleave

[fickle forge]

Play RM(P) and you'll never be nerfed 😎 👍

[raw summit]

main character 😎

[fickle forge]

Also how the f did DH Blur the damage nerfs again

[raw summit]

50% to didge

[elder wigeon]

because they just press blur when they pop cds anyways

they rolled high on the disarm and dodged the nerfs

[iron basalt]

Do you guys think vers/haste/mastery will be better than vers/crit/haste for kyrian PvP in 9.2?

[thick reef]

will arms be better for rbg or furry

[tired portal]

apparently its bugged to be 80 or 90%

[raw summit]

thats how it feels yea

[grand scaffold]

so

with the set bonus system

when we get a pvp piece and we try to convert it to a pve piece

is it from the raid?

or is some random piece even from dungeons

and is there any way of picking what stats unity gives you?

or is it predefined by the slot its on

[raw summit]

unity is haste mast till u recraft it

[grand scaffold]

i get that

but how does the pvp piece to pve piece work

[raw summit]

u essentially just staple on the bonus on ur item

to my knowledge

[grand scaffold]

oh ok

thats cool

[alpine rampart]

what hour dos eason ends?

[grand scaffold]

already ended

[scarlet barn]

are you NA or EU

[steep inlet]

not for EU ndogo

[grand scaffold]

i play NA

season is ended

[plain wing]

still got 30 min!

[wet scarab]

get that glad!

[plain wing]

am i blind

or are the weapons not on the conq vendor in oribos annymore

or right now

wtf

trying to buy a 2nd weapon for fury just in case

have 4k conquest im just sitting on

[mystic barn]

you are blind

[plain wing]

nah im serious

only 3 pages of gear

weapons arent available

[mystic barn]

you asked if you were blind and i responded in kind

[plain wing]

not even listed

[mystic barn]

because weapons are there

[plain wing]

will post screenshot

cuz neither the sword or axe are showing

maybe a bug

[mystic barn]

[plain wing]

Nothing

this is scuffed

im actually not going to be able to buy a 2nd weapon because of this hahahahahahha

[cold totem]

Any tips against caster cleaves as a Arms +Ret + Holy?

[tired portal]

next patch demo will hit demonbolts of 90k so watch out

[cold totem]

Already getting oneshoted

tried kiting on pillar

and killing the pet

we are a bit undergear

[full quiver]

maybe they're sold out on your server

[plain wing]

ah tru

servers are down now

sadge

thats so fucking scuffed hahaha

wow

[jaunty furnace]

a little late now but I found this @plain wing

[full quiver]

you can still buy it in off season and upgrade it anyways

so it's a non issue

[plain wing]

i mean doesnt conquest reset tho

[mystic barn]

that shouldnt matter in current patch date though since covenant specific weapons were season 1

they moved away from that in season 2

[plain wing]

obviously something broke

but all goood

[earnest zodiac]

Do we have any insight from 9.2 testing on arms legos? I figure battlord, unhinged and sephuz are up for debate

prolly mirror too depending on MU

[severe skiff]

Enduring sustain, Unhinged burst (with kyrian spear), mirror if you can make good use of it/need it to handle certain matchups

[earnest zodiac]

i was hoping enduring wouldnt stay around, but that makes sense

[severe skiff]

Things can change come raid tuning pass that usually happens around mythic raid release, blizzard has np nerfing legendary powers.

but doubtful

[earnest zodiac]

yeah i was thinking if that if the meta shifts i can see battlelord being good

basically i was thinking more of a haste mastery build, but well havce to see how stat prio shakes out

i dont have a crystal ball that i can divine an answer from

[severe skiff]

the truth is arms set bonuses don't really interact with its stats and next to nothing is changing this patch so its just going to be more of the same

all haste, all crit, mix of both, entirely preference

all good

enduring just does what battlemaster does but better

and enduring smash procs benefit from 2pc so its gives an extra 5% dmg on proc

[earnest zodiac]

okay i didnt realize endure interacts with 2pc like that

so i assuming you go whole hog on haste which is fine, what I prefer

[severe skiff]

doesn't gain the increased duration tho, just the extra 5% dmg bonus

[earnest zodiac]

thats still enough to where it's gonna hurt

and could in THEORY cause a scale to tip

[severe skiff]

I could be 100% wrong but unhinged+spear vs melee cleaves where you're going to be getting double spears easily and enduring+spear vs caster/melee or caster/caster and comps where you need bladestorm for cc immune/mobility

[earnest zodiac]

just to walk back my logic - I am playing haste build. I was thinking with the increased globals, in terms of rage efficiency, battle lord could produce a HIGHER high

with 4 piece

but thats all purely speculative

[severe skiff]

that could be decent synergy

but enduring just gives you so so much more smash uptime

[earnest zodiac]

yeah and that makes sense

im just thinking where it does proc and i feel like im holding the bag slightly. its RARE it doesnt wanna proc, but i am just trying to visualize how this synergy works

and again this is all in a vacuum

[severe skiff]

Thing is the 4pc has even better synergy with enduring

the increased proc chance happens anytime csmash is up

including from enduring proc

so enduring gives you more windows to get that increased proc/maintain str buff longer

refreshes duration every time you get another proc during cmash debuff

[earnest zodiac]

i can see that, what i more so am thinking is you can output more during that

rather than buff uptime window

again all slightly hyperbolic, but i got to test it

[severe skiff]

could make warbreaker windows a string of overpower > ms > overpower > ms repeat ect with good rng I suppose

[earnest zodiac]

it intrinsically becomes a coinflip

50% tactician increased window

and a 10% weighted coinflip on MS

WITH ramping str*

[severe skiff]

could see it producing some ok burst if the rng gods bless you and you just proc a string of mortal strikes and get some mortal combo procs on them

would probably produce your highest possible damage warbreaker window outside of execute window

[earnest zodiac]

isnt it also RNG materially with enduring? I think were preaching the same thing, just different sides of the same coin

[severe skiff]

Right now enduring just offers more, both do the same thing, both rely on rng to do their thing, enduring just does it better

but would certainly be fun to warbreaker > ms > overpower > ms > overpower > ms > overpower > ms ect

and get mortal combo procs on those ms

[earnest zodiac]

but im almost thinking that battlelord is a higher RNG chance with a faster window, in theory. just looking at numbers

I understand 5% increased over 3 second window extrapolates WAY better

im just looking for that sweet sweet consistency

[severe skiff]

can just look to pve, where you have nearly 100% uptime on a mostly stationary target, if battlelord could produce better results it would be used there as well

enduring provides higher sustain in pve than battlelord, Csmash is your "burst" windows in pvp and enduring gives you more of them

enduring is prob going to win but def may be worth trying out battlelord, not bad by any means

[twilit ridge]

Yo who here hero range

I stopped at 2537

[full quiver]

nice i stopped at 2538

[graceful quarry]

thats weird

im chilling on 2539

[ashen obsidian]

are we still stacking tons of versatility in 9.2?

[sage raptor]

That's crazy. Because I'm at 2540

[twilit ridge]

You're 1100 player

[sage raptor]

Always

[ashen obsidian]

damn

[sage raptor]

Yeah :(

[twilit ridge]

Forming scoobz snipe group

[sage raptor]

Classes feel like shit because of it

[ashen obsidian]

even with the pvp trinkets removing the 40% verse?

[sage raptor]

Yep

[full quiver]

my total rbg across both warriors is 0 rating

and they're 0-3

LMAO

[sage raptor]

Too relatable

[twilit ridge]

Challenger scoober

[full quiver]

[twilit ridge]

It's ok scoob

Get hero next season never que again

[sage raptor]

Murder in the discord

[sharp meteor]

the dream

[twilit ridge]

Just do it

Fym

Teapot hero of the Alliance/Horde

[raw summit]

got myself purp jetis

[sharp meteor]

i don't wanna do rbgs

maybe this season will be the season, though

[idle cliff]

Are the tier set bonuses active in PvP?

[sharp meteor]

Yes. I can definitely see some of them getting nerfs in PVP, though.

[ashen obsidian]

which one in particular?

ones*

[severe skiff]

Sin rogue comes to mind

[idle cliff]

Wait what? I'm out of the loop it seems

[scarlet barn]

Fury one might get hit too

[idle cliff]

It's main stat and stam now O.o

[sage raptor]

Trinket bonus is now mainstat and health

[sharp meteor]

Feral 4pc was the most extreme example but they already whacked that one.

Across all content, too.

They were reasonably quick to adjust vanq hammer conduit so I imagine if there's a 4pc that's 2-hitting people then they might just throw a lazy 30-60% pvp nerf on it.

assa is the next obvious offender

[cold totem]

Why would they use tier sets on pvp ???

Zzzz

[sage raptor]

They always worked in pvp.

For the most part

[cold totem]

I know but I like it how it is now

[sage raptor]

Me too

[cold totem]

Feel better to balance

Just imagine conduits, double legend and now tiers

[sage raptor]

If we didn't have all these secondary systems, I'd be okay with tiersets in pvp. But now we have conduits+legendaries.

Yeah

[cold totem]

😔

I just geared my warrior a week ago

[sage raptor]

Idk tho

I really wanted to pvp with fury and I think this season will let me do that.

[sharp meteor]

fury seemed fine this season

[sage raptor]

Yeah

But

[sharp meteor]

should be better soon tho

[sage raptor]

No dstance

[sharp meteor]

still fine for elite/glad

just mongo swing into people bigly

[minor vector]

Fury just played a different role to arms, similar to dh

[sharp meteor]

yeah

[sage raptor]

Well arms was a free glad for me. Fury would've been an uphill battle.

That mount is so stupid. Idk why I bothered tbh

I regret not playing fury

[sharp meteor]

s1 and s3 mount better

i feel like s2 needed to be lighter

they also use the same wing vfx

which doesn't have shadows

blue eyes white dragon 🥲 could've been cool

[sage raptor]

S3 mount is better but tbh, idk if I'll put in the effort for a reskin.

[sage raptor]

I was hoping for something like that

[sharp meteor]

I really thought that the dragon itself would be lighter, but it's only a TINY bit greyer than the s1 drake

[sage raptor]

And red.

Which is cool I guess if you're into it. I really want the frog mount.

[sharp meteor]

Red looks neat. I hope they use the green or bronze for a fourth season in 9.2.5 instead of having us faction changing mid-season.

Also thinking about how the black tabard is probably lost to the void.

[sage raptor]

Rip

Yeah I think imma chill this season and focus on getting to 1800 on every character for the tmog sets.

Rogue set looks sick

DK grew on me. Helmet looks okay. I'll probably hide it.

[full quiver]

what 4th season?

lol

[sharp meteor]

Just me being hopeful that they'll dial back inflation and/or split this 10 month patch into two seasons.

[full quiver]

you want them to take away my dstance

and decrease inflation

come on guy

[sharp meteor]

glad at 2400 is free enough without 300 rating worth of inflation

[tough compass]

Im fine with inflation if the season is just shorter tbh

[sage raptor]

Did someone say....

Inflation? >.>

[plain wing]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-giggle-trying-not-to-laugh-ryan-gosling-thats-funny-gif-17307391

yall thinking blizz will make 2 pvp seasons and make it a separate timeline than raid / m+

[sage raptor]

Lmaooo

Never

Blizz doesn't care about pvp. They just tune it because they have to.

[ashen obsidian]

I wonder what would make them care about pvp

[sage raptor]

New devs

[ashen obsidian]

you think the Microsoft aquisition will help? Probably would hurt the chances

I see Microsoft wanting it to be more casual

[sage raptor]

Not really. I don't think a lot would change tbh.

It's still Activision Blizzard. Maybe more content updates but speaking strictly PvP, I can't imagine a lot would happen.

[ashen obsidian]

esports scene could pick up and put more attention

top viewed streams are still pvp games... dont know why blizz cant push to capture that more

[sharp meteor]

Massive uptick in play due to soloq and improved gearing, probably.

[ashen obsidian]

100

[sharp meteor]

All they've done is try to push and capture esports to the point where it killed their game (overwatch, hots)

[full quiver]

you better hope not lol

[sharp meteor]

eternally in shambles about how they let dota slip through their fingers

[ashen obsidian]

will soloQ be rated?

[sharp meteor]

not initially but i don't see it not being super popular because the biggest issue with arena is finding teammates

only concern is people not playing it because this is basically solo queue beta and they haven't tied rating to it yet lel

and/or they let people go in with big gear advantages like now which will make all the bad players quit

[ashen obsidian]

tbh... wow is super advanced compared to most esports top games. I kind of like the reward for figuring out the complexity but has to be super daunting for new / bad players

[sharp meteor]

stuff like league is much harder and it's doin fine

wow arena is just inaccessible to most people because of its format

address gearing plus functional solo queue and it'd be more popular

[ashen obsidian]

the format doesnt help. Hopefully we get good results with the soloq

[raw summit]

Maro hit 3800 with his Team

Lmao

[knotty tangle]

Thats like 150 cr above the previous record

[blazing carbon]

Is the 9.2 live on US already? I can't seem to find S3 elite sets

[sharp meteor]

Here's the warrior one. Servers aren't up yet.

[plain wing]

Roblox looking ass

[blazing carbon]

Thanks

It looks like a lego block xD

[languid swift]

Lol that looks shit

Ps did honor reset?

[wet scarab]

why is it so hard for them to make shoulders look appealing

[sharp meteor]

I think this is them trying to design armor to match the aesthetic/theme of the patch and raid, which is all cosmic and shit which I am not really a fan of for most classes.

At least rogue and sham look neat.

[blazing carbon]

DK looks very sexy

[iron wing]

Is Necro still going to be the go-to for Arms in PvP post patch?

[plain wing]

Yea i like dk a lot

[sharp meteor]

Glory seems underwhelming relative to Elysian.

Kyrian Druid legendary also nerfed by 75% on the recipient.

[iron wing]

so you think Kyrian will come out as #1? I guess i should specify im more focused on RBG rather than Arena

what i saw was usually Necro was the favored one, but i know Kyrian is also up there

[sharp meteor]

Probably. Also I imagine Kyrian has always been better for rbgs.

[iron wing]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/rbg#covenants

neat website that scans the top 50 for each spec

[raw summit]

So what exactly happens in the off-season

Can we all just not queue ranked?

[sharp meteor]

I don't know if you realize this

but those sites are generally just going off what people log out as

although necro banning a ret is pretty great

but I doubt you're aiming it

[iron wing]

yeah, its just tough to get info for RBGs, everyone is so focused on Arena

just using it as a general guide, but yeah been going back and forth between Kyrian or Necro

[sharp meteor]

I mean it's not that bit of a commitment. It's free to swap, renown is fast, and you'll likely use the same leggos.

[clear ibex]

how the fck are you supposed to fight vs earth ele???

[iron wing]

yeah im coming back since release haha, did season 1 pvp as disc priest, but switching to arms now

[sharp meteor]

Just accept that you're trying unfavorably for a minute. Or drag it off your team with taunt.

Also rsham has extra health which can mean bigger flesh and harder to burst in general

[wet scarab]

I stopped RBGing a few months ago because the alliance scene was a cesspit but I always found more utility with Kyrian than necro. The damage difference is negligible and spear is an excellent utility ability, won flag captures with a well timed spear while my flag carrier was trying to get away from a whole team assault

[iron wing]

yeah the lockdown seems nice

paired with bladestorm

[wet scarab]

If you catch a melee group too it’s reliably a 40 sec cd

[sharp meteor]

Yep. Pin efc in a bad spot, pin 3 melee away from your healer/fc, pin two healers and then beam them or whatever. Just a neato ability.

[wet scarab]

Necro is idk too many people able to run away in the open field, but I revert to it when I just want to have some fun zugging in random BGs

Not super helpful in more organised stuff

[sharp meteor]

Seems decent on a ret and dk for a super spoopy opener.

[raw summit]

Necro unhinged rando bgs

[iron wing]

is defensive stance going to fall off with the nerf or still 100% picked

[sharp meteor]

Uh, I could see leap being picked in matchups where you aren't the target.

[iron wing]

yeah i mean it got cut in half, i know 10% still helps but wonder if the mobility will become much more useful

i guess healers wont like it

[clear ibex]

it 2vs2. should I focus down the ele ? Or just ignore it and die ?:D

[sharp meteor]

ele with rock leggo?

the strength of the ele is mostly that it's on the rsham and their healing profile which lets them get riptide + earth shield out, earth wall or tide then just sling out damage while the rock ele is crushing people with eq

eq leggo outside of this scenario is kind of troll imo

[wet scarab]

You have about a 50-50 chance of crit nuking an ele or getting one shot by him so yolo

[sharp meteor]

i feel like most of their dmg is heavily telegraphed

[radiant hamlet]

Does conquest reset tomorrow for eu?

[knotty tangle]

Yes

[mild pier]

Anyone have a link to the 9.2 pvp illusion? Can’t find that shit anywhere

[steel cloak]

i was thinking the new pvp gear was coming out

is there a new vendor?

[radiant hamlet]

@knotty tangle bro are you on every discord lmfao

[balmy compass]

is the season over on EU? rating is greyed out for me

[sharp meteor]

That should mean that it's over, yeah. You can still increase (or decrease) your rating, just not get seasonal goodies.

[formal summit]

Is Kyrian + Enduring Blows gonna be the play?

[sharp meteor]

It's a decent place to start.

[formal summit]

What's a better option??

[sharp meteor]

Dunno. I just think it's the best pick rn.

[formal summit]

right on!

[plain wing]

watch fury not get nerfed

and all of us go necro fury bois

I dont know that spec at all

[clear ibex]

Do we already know which slots?

[sharp meteor]

Hmm?

[clear ibex]

Which slots to craft them on :D

[sharp meteor]

What's best doesn't matter during initial gearing as you've got to make do with what you get. If you mean legendary slot then avoid slots where you can get tier pieces.

[formal summit]

EB has to be head since cov leggo has to be belt

[sharp meteor]

Does it have to be belt?

[formal summit]

cov leggo? ya

its how the 2 leggo mech works

[clear ibex]

Nope

If you don't farm rep

But if you get revered, cov Leggo can fit any slot

Almost any slot

[formal summit]

ah okay thats better for sure

[barren crane]

shouldn't we have lost our conq by now?

[sharp meteor]

Next week.

[cold totem]

What do I do against earth elemental?

doing a lot of dmg

[spice hornet]

kite it

taunt it

root it

[sharp meteor]

like what's the matchup/gamestate

usually it's trade normally or accept that you may be slightly behind for the first minute

[cold totem]

Ret + Arms + Holy

And the matchup was

Shadow + Afli + RShaman

[sharp meteor]

o retwarr into splay is an unfun time

[cold totem]

We are having fun learning this comp but we struggle with caster cleaves and specially locks

We realized the healer has to dispell soul rot

[sharp meteor]

honestly the play might be to just run on their stuff then try to kill the rsham

trading into all cds in the open with rock ele will just melt u

either holy can't deal with that

[neon pecan]

as far as i understand

[cold totem]

Full zug zug

Hmm

[sharp meteor]

i mean lock can't really die and psyfiend will destroy you

spriest can sometimes but if they cycle stuff it's hard and lock melts you

[cold totem]

Alright

[sharp meteor]

also ret can rip off transfusion from priest which is helpful

[cold totem]

Let's say we are against standard melee cleave with rshaman

[sharp meteor]

as can some healers

[cold totem]

How do we deal with earth elemental

Tried to kill it

(too much HP)

[sharp meteor]

can't kill it, either need to be careful and accept you're on back foot slightly

it's just pulsing dam and knockdown on anybody in it

basically meant to played into any matchup where it's sitting on 2+ people for the full duration because raw value

[raw summit]

the stun can be very useful as it extends dr iirc

if hexed walk on the rock

and itll break

[cold totem]

This is so good

Thanks for the tips

[sharp meteor]

you can taunt it onto you to move it away, but that's not always useful

and when playing with an rsham they can throw their rock ele at enemy rock ele and they just fight each other off away from everybody lel

[cold totem]

Lmao

Didn't know that

[sharp meteor]

which is handy in particular if your sham is running sephuz or uhhh earthen harmony or w/e the earth shield one is

[cold totem]

Titan Battle!

[sharp meteor]

but yeah pets can taunt it too

so between taunts and ranged matchups it can get kind of underwhelming value. it just lets them get enough early momentum to sometimes let the shaman do damage as well, and you fall further behind

they just swing into you with so much dam for so long that if you make a mistake you can't ever really recover

which is why i say to be careful

[cold totem]

First we are trying to learn our comp how it works

Because pvp has a higher learning curve than pve

And it's harder to learn in 3v3

It can feel a bit overwhelming in the beginning

I have no leggo yet and we are around 243ilvl so that matter too

1k8 rating it sucks but we used to play pvp in pandaria

[wicked magnet]

does it take a while to unlock the 2nd lego?

[neon pecan]

week 5

[wicked magnet]

is it time gated in the sense that i can do absolutely nothing for now then login on the 5th week and get it same day?

🤔 what am i saying, this is wow, there will be some downside to doing that

[scarlet barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-2-launch-patch-notes-new-pvp-tuning-326052?webhook

[near delta]

I don't see a d stance nerf there

[scarlet barn]

you need better eyes

[wicked magnet]

oh beat me to it

[scarlet barn]

And you need faster fingers

[sharp meteor]

AAAAAAAAA

Maybe it'll be fine.

[wicked magnet]

im slow in my old age xD

[near delta]

Oh there was more haha

[elder wigeon]

"Fixed an issue that caused Disarm effects to bypass War Banner's (Arms Warrior PvP Talent) crowd-control reduction and Ultimate Form's (Plague Deviser Marileth Soulbind) crowd-control immunity."

[sharp meteor]

That was an um

hm

[near delta]

That's something

[sour ridge]

Anyone know if this is actually news?

[undone pumice]

fixed an issue where warrior was allowed to be alive vs rogues

[sharp meteor]

Oh, is that new? Might be cool.

[near delta]

Sounds new. They did the in between tiers but only cut honor cost so they were about the same as before iirc.

[sour ridge]

Big if true

[wet scarab]

The PvP nerfs are actually pretty good, the only problem is they are lazy all round percentage reductions in healing and mana regen and pretty much no nerfs to damage classes

But they basically negated resto Druid and priest buffs in pvp and nerfed resto shamans while they were at it

Broadly speaking RMP and demon hunters will continue to win but probably over a shorter period

[nimble jasper]

they did nerf dmg

with the vers change

[wet scarab]

How is that a nerf, you are able now to actually use better stat pve pieces

Also it nerfs your damage reduction at the same time

[nimble jasper]

dmg is gonna be lower at start of season

[sharp meteor]

pvp gear gets bigly ilev increase

[nimble jasper]

the vers bonus only affected damage and healing

[sharp meteor]

and how do u figure

as trinket bonus was 40% offensive buff to vers

[sage raptor]

The change to main stat is big for some classes

[wet scarab]

But the vers nerf is across the board to arena matches and pacing in general, I meant nerfs to specific damage dealing classes

[elder wigeon]

man so far my first impressions of the nerf is; it's bad, real bad

[sage raptor]

Already switched to fury

Lol

[sharp meteor]

I am afraid that every matchup is just going to be train warr, which kind of deletes duel and intervene.

[full quiver]

Do you notice dam diff without verse from trinkets

[sharp meteor]

and sitting d now means trading unfavorably so you just get crushed on overall pressure

[sage raptor]

A little. It's not that bad. That may also be because I'm rusty with fury atm so I'll need a little more time to get my sea legs.

[full quiver]

Mage tower was brutal for me

[sharp meteor]

What spec

[full quiver]

So I really don't want it to be fury meta lol

Fury

[sharp meteor]

Scoobs did u struggle with fury mt

SCOOBZ

[full quiver]

I'd never played warrior before

And never ever played fury

It was a lot easier after I got crusader and food buffs

But felt impossible in duelist shadowlands gear with no buffs lol

[sage raptor]

I leveled as fury. It was hella fun. I just wish I didn't play as arms for 2 seasons.

[full quiver]

Couldn't even come close

[elder wigeon]

I think we're still cucked into running dstance

not having it means i die through everything

[full quiver]

Lol

Perfect

[elder wigeon]

if I have dstance there's a chance i live while I press every cd

[full quiver]

Are you playing kitty resune

[elder wigeon]

this patch? prob only warrior sp

you need someone that can save you this patch

[full quiver]

Meant right now

Lol

[elder wigeon]

no was doing 2's

was getting raped by ww sp

had to run for like 20 seconds at a time because if I take any dmg I die

[ashen obsidian]

Fury has terrible defenses… no parry is brutal if u are target

[wicked magnet]

i didnt see anything mentioned about a versa nerf, what did i miss?

[ashen obsidian]

Pvp trinket

[wicked magnet]

oh

[sharp meteor]

They deleted the pvp trinket bonus in favor of a flat stat buff.

[nimble jasper]

which slows down the game

[full quiver]

Lol

[sage raptor]

Now instead of dying in 1 global, you'll die in 2.

[full quiver]

Sounds like I'm retiring as warrior

And full sending dh

[sage raptor]

I'm going DK and Outlaw

And fury for memes

[ashen obsidian]

I’m low key going to lower my verse and grow other secondary stats… just to experiment

[sage raptor]

Not a bad idea

Lot of shake-up this season

[ashen obsidian]

Yeah… no panic…. Yet

[wicked magnet]

im mostly going to focus on my kyrian resto shaman, planning to use the earth ele earthquake as my second lego, im sure it wont be OP at all 😇

[jagged cedar]

No Ret pala ? Lol

[ashen obsidian]

😡😡😤

[sage raptor]

Nah. Bubbles are for pussies.

[wicked magnet]

hehe i know right, and they nerf warriors lol

[sage raptor]

B)

[nimble jasper]

pink class

[ashen obsidian]

This 3v3 Soloq thing will be interesting for warriors… first team to get a kill wins the round…

[nimble jasper]

checks out

tbh

[ashen obsidian]

Gonna be a ton of ret pallies

[sharp meteor]

every game is just two melee running at the lowest health guy on the other team

gonna be mega scuffed if gear isn't a little closer lel

[spice hornet]

all those recent htofixes were just rmp buffs in disguise

[full quiver]

Lol

[sharp meteor]

god i am so glad that the best comp is continuing to be the best comp it's GREAT

[nimble jasper]

jungle buff too

[full quiver]

Yeah but how do you fix rmp without gutting one of the classes

[spice hornet]

warrior feels rpetty bad rn

did a bunch of 2s at 2400 lost 7 in a row

[lucid walrus]

nerf mage cdr or hpriest throughput idk

[sharp meteor]

hpriest throughput? I thought it was just serenities

which synergize quite nicely with how rm plays

[full quiver]

With what healer

[old trail]

How's warrior looking in pvp with double legos + tier? Is kyrian arms still king or is fury really strong in arenas?

dk looking kinda sad all around

[sharp meteor]

Idk I need to q 3s and see how dstance feels, and how it feels to get trained.

Jungle already ate my lunch so I can't imagine certain matchups will feel good.

[gusty palm]

LOL

[lucid walrus]

gonna wargame some shuffle soon. unironically just gonna say to train the other war

[full quiver]

Just reroll dh pussies

[tired portal]

does relentless reduce disarm effects now also then?

[elder wigeon]

don't think so

haven't tested though

[pale minnow]

Gotta pre-bladestorm the disarm son

Every warbreaker you do gotta back it up with a bs

[spice hornet]

fyi the bug where death sentence doesnt charge you to the target still exists :&)

[sharp meteor]

who could've seen it coming

rip death sentence u were fun

[spice hornet]

rip killing rogue/mage in 2s

and hunter/healer

[near delta]

Does it still hit through ring?

[spice hornet]

yes if they are close enough but then you can't anymore

I made it to the raid entrance

KEKW

looking the treasures andm obs

[ember rose]

Death sentence gone?

[spice hornet]

6 sec coodlown

[ember rose]

[elder wigeon]

with how buggy it is, I wouldn't play it honestly

I would just take utility over it

[spice hornet]

yep its a dead talent

[undone ermine]

Shame. It was a lot of fun.

[spice hornet]

made you have a chance in 2s

into bs like double feral

rouge mage

hunter healer

lock rdruid

[sharp meteor]

2s becoming even less enjoyable eh

[pale minnow]

Fuck 2s

3s is where the real game starts

[grand scaffold]

2's is fun af

[dusky locust]

are we really that much worse in 2s?

[plain wing]

how much renown do zereth opening quests give?

[grand scaffold]

not really

[plain wing]

like is it worth switching to a covenant im not 80 yet

is it worth

[grand scaffold]

fury is fine in 2's

arms probably trash now

yeah

59+ renown

you just need stamina

[plain wing]

what?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[plain wing]

renown with kyrian is like 56 or something

[grand scaffold]

you get stamina bonuses

[lucid walrus]

yeah that's fine for now

[grand scaffold]

thats good renown

[lucid walrus]

still have time to farm

[grand scaffold]

just go get 3 renown

[plain wing]

no im saying should i switch to kyrian for zereth quests

[grand scaffold]

and you can get max stamina

[plain wing]

do they give a lot

[grand scaffold]

idk tbh

[lucid walrus]

idk are you gonna play kyrian

[grand scaffold]

i just started questing 9 min ago

but tbh

kyrian gonna be the wave

with the death sentence nerf

its gonna help out with uptime

significantly

[plain wing]

yea i just dont know how to use kyrian spear at all.... seems like a high skill cap and potentially frustrating

so many diff ways to use

[grand scaffold]

ok

well

[plain wing]

like, do you overlap stun with it etc

[grand scaffold]

i would go kyrian

[plain wing]

idk it seems hard

[grand scaffold]

nah

so

run warbringer

then charge and do spear

[plain wing]

save stun?

or are there times where you would stun pop all cd's

[grand scaffold]

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor]Spear of Bastion

use this macro

[plain wing]

then use spear for when they try to run away

[grand scaffold]

nah

spear is for when you burst

because they cant run for 8 sec

[lucid walrus]

pretty much as straightforward as setting it up w a stun or slow

[grand scaffold]

you can even use it to bait cd's

[lucid walrus]

howl into it etc

[plain wing]

what about super mobile classes tho

like would you ever save to peal

or keep them in melee

rather than right when u open

[lucid walrus]

you can

[grand scaffold]

so

if they start using big dmg on you

spear them and run

[plain wing]

see thats what i mean

so many diff ways to use it

[lucid walrus]

mostly a judgment call

[plain wing]

and its cd is weird/ offset

[grand scaffold]

if you have big cd's and they are a hunter that didnt use feign death, priest that didnt fade, lock that didnt port, or paladin that didnt bop or immune OR even a dk that didnt use anti magic shell or deaths advance you can bait their cd's

typically useless against dk's because we do physical dmg tho

only useful if you play with a caster

you hold onto cd's to line them with spear

warbreaker gets used every 1 min

and avatar whenever spear comes up

[plain wing]

sorry, what do you mean hold onto cd's to line them with spear?

[grand scaffold]

cd gets lowered by mikanikos

like dont press them

[plain wing]

and just use spear to kite?

[lucid walrus]

wouldn't advise holding

[sharp meteor]

bolt, spear

[plain wing]

then when their dam is over u go in or what

[sharp meteor]

bolt roughly off cd

bolt, spear

[plain wing]

so you always overlap bolt and spear?

[sharp meteor]

need to keep stuff synced

[plain wing]

feel like itw ould make sense to stagger them to get like 10 seconds of them standing still

rather than stacking them, no?

[sharp meteor]

if ur peeling something sure

for me last season i'd bolt necro warr on their conq + kyrian empower

then spear at the last second

[plain wing]

like idk, just seems wayyy more complicated than Necro. Feel like Im gonna have to relearn it completely

[sharp meteor]

then just walk away while their cds bled out

[plain wing]

oh so you'd hold ur cd's?

for after theirs?

[lucid walrus]

he means using them to peel

[sharp meteor]

only tricky part is learning what rips spear off, like peaceweaver gate

[grand scaffold]

it is more comlicated than necro

[sharp meteor]

and then external stuff like life grip

[grand scaffold]

but its a lot better tbh

[sharp meteor]

like if u bolt spear lock there is a good chance their priest grips it if not covered

[plain wing]

Yea just so many diff ways to use it, kinda overwhelmed 😦

[sharp meteor]

and if they dont' then lock just gates it

[grand scaffold]

much scarier to fight a spear warrior than an necro warrior

[sharp meteor]

just need to have this stuff in your head

[grand scaffold]

so just try to use it

and if you dont enjoy it dont play it

necro isnt bad exactly

[plain wing]

just feel like im never gonna be able to use it optimely

and use it at terrible times

like just get perma cc'd while spear is out etc

[grand scaffold]

thats how everything feels before you practice trying it

[plain wing]

or like completely whif bolt and spear for no reason

[grand scaffold]

you could also play night fae

legit everything but condemn

[sharp meteor]

setting up nf right now it feels funny

[grand scaffold]

nothing is really a bad cov these days

but night fae is defo worse for arms than fury

but the knock down is nice

i think in tsg

night fae could be really good

that lego does a big dot

[sharp meteor]

i rly wanna try frost tsg with nf probably worse than spear or banner but idc it'd be funny

[grand scaffold]

i think it would be good

the stuns dont dr

and natures fury is awesome if people stand in it

[plain wing]

and like knowing when to spear before or after popping warbreaker etc

[grand scaffold]

you first spear

then warbreaker

after they use something that can mess up warbreaker

which were the classes i mentioned earlier

if they cant use one of those defensives

warbreaker right after spear

[plain wing]

copy

wait do you still have to do covenant campain to unlock soulbinds?

[grand scaffold]

nah

you just speak to the npc's near the soulbind place

[plain wing]

gotcha

[grand scaffold]

no campaign needed for that

[plain wing]

and mikanos is the move?

[grand scaffold]

for arms yes

for fury

idk

[jovial cedar]

Is necrolord still viable for pvp with the nerf to flesh craft?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

the bubble isnt what made it good

necro banner spanks

[jovial cedar]

Is it good for arms and fury?

[grand scaffold]

you still get a lot of passive durability

i play fury to 2400

its probably best cov

for arms

its second best

[jovial cedar]

You played necro fury to 2400? And it’s best for fury?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[jovial cedar]

What legendary do you run as fury in pvp??

[grand scaffold]

necro for fury

signet of tormented kigns

kings*

on ring slot

with haste versatility

haste gems and enchants

[jovial cedar]

That’s dropped from the first raid right?

[grand scaffold]

yes

stone legion generals i think

but you would have to check

[jovial cedar]

What soulbind do you use?

Do you play 2s and 3s?

[grand scaffold]

i do play 2's and 3's

but i was only 2400 in 2's

just 2200 in 3's

[plain wing]

wait

you do have to do the questline to unlock the soulbinds ......

if you havent done the campaign before

FUCK

[jovial cedar]

I’ve heard fury is going to be great this time

[sharp meteor]

flesh is least of worries

[grand scaffold]

yeah

it already was great

now its just awesome

set bonus makes you unkitable

[sharp meteor]

it's glory that looks like it might not be great but need to actually try it

[jovial cedar]

@sharp meteor what do you mean

[grand scaffold]

glory for fury is so crazy

what do you mean

[sharp meteor]

i mean that a tiny tiny nerf to flesh isn't that big of a deal

[sharp meteor]

yeah idk haven't played it yet

[grand scaffold]

well

in recklessness

just think about how much rage you get

and spend

then with glory

it adds a BIG duration

[jovial cedar]

What’s glory?

[grand scaffold]

its the necro covenant lego

[plain wing]

@grand scaffold looks like you gotta do covenant campaign if youve never completed it before

rip me.

[grand scaffold]

oof

[plain wing]

not fucking worth

dont have time for dat bullshit

[sharp meteor]

80 renown on one

buy thing, skip to 40

[jovial cedar]

For which soulbind?

[sharp meteor]

then do new zone

oh if u never did cov before then maybe campaign i don't remember

[jovial cedar]

For fury and arms you just need the first one

[pale minnow]

Yo yo folks actually saying something

[grand scaffold]

for necro

you use the first guy

for kyrian the third guy

[pale minnow]

Fury maybe gonna slap but still worst survivability

[grand scaffold]

not really

basically same as arms now

d stance sucks

[pale minnow]

What not really?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

d stance only 10%

just like warpaint

[plain wing]

@sharp meteor yea seems i need to complete the campaign

FUCKKKK

[grand scaffold]

the field is evened out

[jovial cedar]

Wish I didn’t have to try and get a group for stone legion generals for the legendary ha

[pale minnow]

I checked wowhead patch stuff didn't wrote shit about dstance nerf???

[grand scaffold]

d stance is nerfed so bad

arms is no longer meta spec imo

FURY FTW

[pale minnow]

Link the stuff dude

[grand scaffold]

idk where it is

but i can screenshot it

[sharp meteor]

dang feels good to be a nutter that has all the covs unlocked

[plain wing]

haha

[pale minnow]

Same

[grand scaffold]

crap

[sharp meteor]

once you do the campaign once you can kind of skip the intro on alts

[grand scaffold]

i gotta be in pvp to show the nerf

[sharp meteor]

it takes like 5 mins tops and u get all the soulbinds

[grand scaffold]

in pve its the same

[plain wing]

i have an undergeared ret that is 7/9 kyrian campaign, maybe i just finish on that

faster than warrior 2/9

[pale minnow]

Just turn wm on

[grand scaffold]

wm is on

doesnt change till im in arena or something

just ask anybody here

d stance nerfed to 10% dmg reduction

[pale minnow]

Bro if this shit is real imma slap asses with fury

I was fury main all my life till sl s1

[grand scaffold]

FURY FTW

yeah

im not lying to you

fury is the wave

arms is washed

[pale minnow]

And give 5% blodthirst back monkey ass nerfing developers

[jovial cedar]

For fury is it haste and Vers we want?

[grand scaffold]

for fury

Haste > vers > mastery > crit

i take haste enchants and gems over vers any day

[plain wing]

weird question

but what do yall have ur monitor brightness set to

just got a new gaming monitor

[lucid walrus]

idk i have a blue light filter

[grand scaffold]

personal preference

[lucid walrus]

whatever windows default is

[pale minnow]

It'a not worth going over 20% haste

[jovial cedar]

I’m gojng to buy a bunch of the catch up 226 gear to get a good start into arenas

Wel bag

[grand scaffold]

what are you talking about

[jovial cedar]

Bgs

[grand scaffold]

fury needs 25% - 30% haste

im lacking

im at only 24% 😢

[pale minnow]

Bro your enrage gives you more haste

[grand scaffold]

yeah

every body knows that

[pale minnow]

So no need

It caps

[grand scaffold]

you need 25% to 30%

• enrage

not really