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frigid bear
I recently full geared my necro dh but then thought actually I’m gonna play my warrior in 9.2 so spent last few weeks sorting him now they throw this shit on me 😂
Where my dh at
warped warren
time to play bounding stride leaper arms 
echo aspen
You wont need d stance if just jump away from the damage BigBrain
undone pumice
dots
spark sail
I know 9.2 might change things but the FAQ says kyrian > necro
but looking at the ladders
everyones necro
full quiver
Yeah because no one has double leggo
spark sail
so just a 9.2 thing then
merry vessel
259 jaithys or pvp weapon for arenas?
finite fox
Is jungle just absolute busted right now I swear I’ve never this many ferals
ancient sonnet
Jungle + Kitty = lots of ferals
finite fox
That frenzy regen nerf tho means they guna die easier soon
With recent nerfs what do you guys think will be the comp to grind gladiator out as
finite fox
jungle honestly better next season
You think as BM or survival
craggy socket
RIP warrior
finite fox
Dh isn’t really insane is it? It’s very low representation i feel
finite fox
There is only what 300 above 2200?
finite fox
Thought it was only 25%
raw summit
represented or not you can definitely say its very good
plain wing
@craggy socket youre dramatic
finite fox
I just think it’s because the skill ceiling isn’t high so even bads can do decent is why people think it’s insane
But with the kyrian druid nerf are people still going to run dh boom ?
raw summit
i sure hope not
craggy socket
I mean why even take D stance anymore
10% damage reduction? That makes intervene pretty useless too
craggy socket
I just love how blizzard nerfs ret and warrior -.-
but rogue mage is still OP as fuck
craggy socket
Sadly I know I was a mage main but sucked at it
undone pumice
mage is the main character
they get free food and portals
so op
!!!
i hate it when classes with personal and solo content utiity are good in pvp
like do u need to be great at everything
i hate druids and mages for thi
gloomy beacon
Intervene is great for those trap reflects also :p
Such a good feeling to freeze a hunter in their own trap
twilit flax
Sadly I know I was a mage main but sucked at it
blizz always keeps one mage spec S tier
except for like 2 patches in total of the games existence
mage just to take a bit of skill now its just few buttons and waiting for cds
---> 
arms war ^
spark sail
can we kill demos when its demo / healer? or do i stick healer
i always have a hard time with locks
ember arch
uh wassup, whats discussion you guys have here? Is anyone already talked about that arms is dead?
plain wing
the fact you think arms is dead for a nerf to d stance
we still have so much pressure
relax
ember arch
the fact you think arms is dead for a nerf to d stance
i do not think, that he is dead, i just think that fury will be better now)
like there's talent warpaint, you got the same damage reduction, but there's no -20% damage dealing debuff, lol
full quiver
BRUIN
HOW ARE YOU GONNA COME IN HERE AND TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HOW WE WILL BE IN 9.2 WITH D STANCE NERF
ember arch
xd
full quiver
i am fucking dying
plain wing
y
i was thinking of actually making pvp my go to area of playing this game, but im rethinking it now 😦
@ember arch isnt the problem with fury that it doesnt have die by the sword either tho
like their defensive is shit
dayum this sucks real talk
im rethinking
pvping
fierce elm
lmao why
mystic barn
the biggest uno reverse card is bruin telling someone to relax
when he was straight malding over being 2k
and kept #810664169140518947 hostage
and told me to kill myself
wispy cedar
why do you feel the need to come in here and bully him?
mystic barn
you told me to go play in traffic
plain wing
yea
mystic barn
what were you trying to imply
wispy cedar
that doesn’t give you a right to harass him every time he types in here
full quiver
qcp is actually depressed
so telling him to play in traffic is almost committing manslaughter
wispy cedar
leave bruin alone
plain wing
damn
full quiver
lol
deft island
i hope druids get deleted
nimble jasper
same
ember arch
same
deft island
like what typ of shit dont they have?
nimble jasper
a brain
ember arch
lmao, i'm telling my friends same when i'm rage
nimble jasper
in the case of most who stand in the middle of the map
cuz they think they're invincible
ember arch
like they have everything mechanic in the game
deft island
cuz they think they're invincible
cuz they literally are sometimes
nimble jasper
i did watch samiyam
raw hibernate
a 3.2 rdruid
last night tho
kinda bm
and by raw hibernated, i meant he got hibernate cast on him
with no cc on prior
deft island
i was always a dog person but i respected cat people
but since i started playing arena against feral
i straight up wanna gut myself
nimble jasper
jungle is great fun wdym
its like rmp
but even when they fuck up their cc
you're still dying
ember arch
the gameplay be like: stun from invisible, some buttons while youre on stun and run away and do the same
deft island
i like how jungle is trash in both wow and lol
full quiver
he meant worse to deal with
warm prawn
Tier work in pvp?
earnest pendant
Hello, I'm sorry if these already asked before but can you suggest me which covenant to pick, I play arms, just hit 60 on my warrior
And I'm looking forward to playing only pvp
I like venthyr's aesthetics but yeah i understand aesthetics are not important for pushing rank.
safe pecan
Kyrian best overall necro aswell
whole laurel
So I tried it and the battle standard of coordination doesn't work in RBG's 😦
formal creek
you think arms is gonna be played a lot still?
warm prawn
yes, probably
clear ibex
someone got a nice beginner guide ?
warm prawn
Mud have a guide on youtube
clear ibex
wanna play duo with a healmonk
warm prawn
Mud play maldraxus
clear ibex
Mud have a guide on youtube
for warrior or pvp in general?
warm prawn
Pvp
My question is about this nerf
My question is about
Now, this talent reduces our damage 20%
in arenas and bgs.
with the nerf damage taken by 10% and our damage 20%
Now is 20%-20%
with the nerf is 10% -20% xD
ancient sonnet
Class is dead. Reroll
warm prawn
why XD?
ancient sonnet
That seems to be the reaction people are having after the most dominant class in the entirety of Shadowlands receives its 'first' nerf
raw summit
except rogu 
warm prawn
Warrior dont get buff or change bc we was good scale
ancient sonnet
yea and I doubt they're done. Blizz likes to wait until ~48 hours before patches go live to apply pvp nerfs. So you really get a chance to test
raw summit
Warrior dont get buff or change bc we was good scale
because we got buffs for 9.1
ancient sonnet
hey rogues got a nerf too!
raw summit
oh did i missread 
warm prawn
because we got buffs for 9.1
A lot of spec get buff on 9.1
ancient sonnet
no the conduit nerf is not a thing. The buff will expire after 4 secs as it does currently
bold grove
Class is dead. Reroll
Getting rid of all the people who play Warrior because ‘flavor of the month’ is welcomed honestly.
Wish they would have made it that Damage Done during Defensive Stance was only -10% in PvP now that they nerfed to Damage Taken.
The +10% -20% trade off feels so weird.
ancient sonnet
Think most of them already hopped to DH for now
Do we know how short the CD for Die By becomes with a max conduit in 9.2?
warm prawn
> Class is dead. Reroll
Getting rid of all the people who play Warrior because ‘...
They need fix that xD. we dont have sustain
warm prawn
Do we know how short the CD for Die By becomes with a max conduit in 9.2?
1.3
reduces 40 sec with conduit 252
ancient sonnet
9.2 is 279 or somethin right?
warm prawn
278 i think
plain wing
is it worth doing korthia rifts at this point to get conduits up
or just wait till 9.2
warm prawn
I dont know :C. I have all my conduits on 252 xD
uneven turret
Has anyone seen tier pieces from the pvp vault on PTR? Does it scale or no?
warm prawn
My friend play the ptr, they tell me that the tier scale
raw summit
is it worth doing korthia rifts at this point to get conduits up
do u have tier 6 on any other char
plain wing
ahh gotcha
gaunt loom
Arms warrior dead? Fury dream let's go
uneven turret
Why is it dead? Was there a nerf?
raw summit
dstance nerf
uneven turret
……….
warm prawn
Arms warrior dead? Fury dream let's go
fury need die bye sword xD
nimble jasper
theres something inherently wrong with how much you gain pressing ignore pain
even from an offensive pov
you also dont have warbanner as fury
or sharpen
wet scarab
sounds like it's going to be more effective to use ignore pain on cooldown and stay in battle stance lul
THE RETURN OF THE OVERPOWER IP MACRO
nimble jasper
i swear
it was too unpunishing
to perma sit d
but idk if i agree with this specific way to go about it
raw summit
THE RETURN OF THE OVERPOWER IP MACRO
it never left
wet scarab
well the problem is twofold I think - first that dstance in 3s didn't really matter since it seemed like for the most part in melee cleaves you were a support crutch for your paladin/DK/DH/Enh
the other thing is that it feels like a bigger nerf than the other classes because dstance is not a cooldown
wet scarab
so it feels like a more sustained nerf
gaunt loom
tbf, will the d stance nerf make a huge difference?
paper oracle
yes it will
wet scarab
I play with casters a lot more than with melee because I enjoy it more
gaunt loom
TSG life 😎
nimble jasper
but hunter cleave isnt really as ungabunga
warm prawn
tbf, will the d stance nerf make a huge difference?
rogues kill me with die by the sword + defensive stance + ignore pain xD
wet scarab
partnering with MM is a lot of fun actually
wet scarab
there you go
paper oracle
mag would 3.5 as anything
wet scarab
pretty much everything is killable as KFC I found, more so than most melee cleave comps
they're hard fought but not impossible even against good ones
nimble jasper
cant just disarm one and kill other
disarm warrior die to the hunter landing 3 crits in a row
wet scarab
I think MM burst goes through DBTS doesn't it?
gaunt loom
is necro mm burst still insane?
wet scarab
you don't even have to disarm
gaunt loom
lol makes sense
wet scarab
haha
uneven turret
dstance nerf
Where is it from? I can’t find it
wet scarab
nimble jasper
mag would 3.5 as anything
honestly it was funny
wet scarab
it's insane that none of these pvp tuning nerfs have to do with druid or priest healing
except for frenzied regen which is welcome
nimble jasper
hearing mag talk about how he thinks most ret wars on ladder dont deserve their points
because they wait for other team to do their setup first
then respond
warm prawn
-10% - -20% :V
nimble jasper
instead of preemptive plays
gaunt loom
does it work though?
wet scarab
dstance is a bigger nerf than the others purely because we use it all the time instead of it being a one-off spell or whatever, so you're making it 10% easier to kill warriors throughout the game
everything else is a nerf to an on-use spell
warm prawn
we need the old second wind :V
nimble jasper
so still good for damage mitigation pre a go
gaunt loom
completely forgot that burst is going to be so much bigger with double leggos and tier sets
wet scarab
I mean we aren't really part of the one-shot proc meta it's dumb that we get our survivability nerfed
wet scarab
exactly
shrewd elm
i can die through wall
wet scarab
and deathbolts lul
shrewd elm
and dstance
warm prawn
and deathbolts lul
death bolts get a nerf in 9.2
shrewd elm
I don't know if it does 100% since our ignorepain healing will get reduced
by the same change
wet scarab
they're not really nerfed they just do the 100k over 3 seconds
nimble jasper
yeah idk ignore pain is one of the things that should have gotten hit
instead of damage reduc in d
warm prawn
they're not really nerfed they just do the 100k over 3 seconds
its a nerf. 3 sec is alot on pvp.
nimble jasper
maybe reduce damage done in d instead
shrewd elm
I listend a bunch of changes they could make to warrior
I think if they just deleted
the die by the sword conduit
that would be a good change
warm prawn
the die by the sword conduit
is bis xD always
nimble jasper
its gonna be like
wet scarab
I mean with the ridiculous buffs to all the one-shot mechanics
gaunt loom
ok hear me out, we buff survivability by playing with a enhance shaman that can pump heals 😄
wet scarab
we already die pretty easily to melee cleave goes
and then we're going to have goes with cc immunity
we should be able to have cooldowns to trade
warm prawn
Warrior is not the target vs melee cleave
shrewd elm
It also makes intervene
wet scarab
everyone's a target in melee cleave on melee cleave
shrewd elm
way worse to use
paper oracle
I mean we aren't really part of the one-shot proc meta it's dumb that we get our...
speak for yourself
https://gyazo.com/aff74f0bd1d295f945633347e9d4e898
warm prawn
The nerf is rare, i think -10% - 10%
shrewd elm
@paper oracle Kindred empowerment there..
paper oracle
- dark arch + necro banner + war breaker + avatar + on use + blood fury
wet scarab
external situational buffs?
if you can't one-shot based on your class's inherent abilities then you aren't a one-shot class
nimble jasper
its too much cd stacking
nimble jasper
also thats some high as shit mortal combo dmg
yeah combust is uhh
the fact you get autorune too
nimble jasper
nice SL change
shrewd elm
infernal cascade conduit etc
warm prawn
If we need a buff, just need they work spell reflect
wet scarab
I think one way they could have made it a lot less dumb is if there was a cooldown on returning to defensive stance that was longer than 5 seconds
like you get out of it, but you can't go back to dstance for like 30 seconds or 1 min
clear ibex
Which soulbinds will I use as kyrian ?
warm prawn
i love kleya, but all use the bird
clear ibex
Ok haha
warm prawn
bc i use critical strike.
wet scarab
the annoying thing about mikanikos is the bis path lets you use only 2 potency conduits
wet scarab
I've killed a lot of rogues just from piercing verdict damage
warm prawn
the annoying thing about mikanikos is the bis path lets you use only 2 potency c...
i think the all use the bird bc he have a defensive stun, and defensive instan pot
wet scarab
yeah that's why I use it too, just also like piercing verdict
gaunt loom
bird has always seemed GOATed to me tbh
warm prawn
Well know i use kyrian bc i am looking a mount on kortia, but i get glad with maldraxus.
wet scarab
the spear CD reduction is really great too
warm prawn
the spear CD reduction is really great too
Yes, but with kleia i have alot of crit
wet scarab
I'm still just amazed that we still don't have a pvp nerf to druid and hpriest healing
I've actually never played Kleia but might give it a shot
I never played crit Kyrian before and I'm actually liking it
warm prawn
i remember that in arena i was with 25% - 32% crit
jaunty furnace
What do you guys think of the elite season 3 pvp set? looks good or nah?
wet scarab
is bearer's pursuit as op as it sounds @warm prawn ?
warm prawn
i never use that
wet scarab
I guess it doesn't really matter if you have high hamstring uptime
paper oracle
autostun is gonna be more important now than ever before since everyones just going to kill warriors
warm prawn
I guess it doesn't really matter if you have high hamstring uptime
hamstring its better, they cant dispeled
wet scarab
lol think about it now demon hunters are going to do 10% more damage to us
because they needed it
warm prawn
is bearer's pursuit as op as it sounds <@!264234010895450113> ?
i play this to 2.1 cr
full quiver
i play this to 2.1 cr
you should have the phial set up in there for assass and feral games
can counter an entire go with that
warm prawn
yeah, but its hard track that shit
bc they have alot of control XD
i the pot have 3min cd
sharp meteor
can counter an entire go with that
ripping off garrote/rupture or frenzy+rip+rake and flayed shot already scuffs the go
full quiver
yeah if it's on you
but if you talent it so it goes on friendlies you can peel a go with just pot
warm prawn
by the way, this shit was a bad translate in spanish https://www.wowhead.com/spell=328258/ever-forward
i eat the trolling around 1 month
wet scarab
i play this to 2.1 cr
thanks!
god I hate that I can think of a million ways to make the dstance nerf less dumb
make it a pvp talent, nobody picks it in pve much anyway, so you make an active choice to play a defensive game
sharp meteor
make it a pvp talent, nobody picks it in pve much anyway, so you make an active ...
idk why pve has anything to do with anything and it is quite good in pve
wet scarab
what's good about it in pve
you're almost always better off with bounding stride for mobility or second wind in pve scenarios
warm prawn
I prefer to take it optimistically. If we scale well, we can use the other talents.
wet scarab
lol if you take second wind I think the assumption is that the warrior is going to be often a prio target to avoid getting the proc
it would be nice to occasionally take bounding stride tho
warm prawn
lol if you take second wind I think the assumption is that the warrior is going ...
war never is a prio target on his comp
is rare war is a prio target
sharp meteor
what's good about it in pve
shaving 20% off a big hit or high dmg period is excellent
sharp meteor
is rare war is a prio target
uh lot of warrs die now because they aren't used to being hit and send parry randomly
also will see warr hit more soon so eh
sitting battle already hurts pressure now it'll destroy it
er defensive
warm prawn
war + pala. they focus pala/ war + dk they focus dk / war + sp/mage/lock/shamn/boomy they focus caster
sharp meteor
i swear most of my kills nowadays are trning and killing warr
because they aren't used to being hit
wet scarab
you're also very often the target in whatever melee cleave scenario by virtue of being in cleave range
sharp meteor
plus can't vene themselves heh
wet scarab
even if you aren't prio
sharp meteor
it's like you are a potential target
warm prawn
I dont say that train work dont work, but train the other dps works better
sharp meteor
no parry, no hots, no ip, in battle = smacked
warm prawn
we are cc target :c
sharp meteor
yeah in general it's start one then kind of swap around based off what's used and hots etc
arms usually flings parry out super early so can take advantage of that
as opposed to dhs who now trinket dark and die before pressing blur heh
sharp meteor
yeah it's like first bolt into dh they blur out then next go there's a chance they just explode
warm prawn
Since legion we are not a Class duelist. We are need a heal comp.
Maldraxus change that
sharp meteor
eh?
warm prawn
but just for 1 patch
War is not a class for wpvp.
We have potencial with a heal or hibrid comp that is bc war is Tier S on arena.
raw summit
Maldraxus change that
Can u explain what u mean by that
wet scarab
I wonder if IP + the conduit will make it not worth the uptime loss of dstance
rip piercing howl uptime though
sharp meteor
lmao
ip conduit is nice but won't offset dstance losing half its defensive value although depending on what the meta/pacing does it could b fine
warm prawn
Can u explain what u mean by that
Go wpvp with maldraxus shield, and nobody want atack you, but if you another covenant they jump on you like a dogs
sharp meteor
if the game is still a knife fight we could be in shambles
paper oracle
does dot damage stop second wind from proc'ing?
sharp meteor
i think so yeah
raw summit
Go wpvp with maldraxus shield, and nobody want atack you, but if you another cov...
World pvp is not a factor ever lmao
warm prawn
lol i know
sharp meteor
yeah wpvp and 1v1s are gross
raw summit
Except if ur a feral or some shit
wet scarab
well IP + the extra damage you do from the conduit at 100% uptime will rival the damage loss, though I guess any reduction in damage taken will be helpful in a pinch
warm prawn
But many arguments do not take into account that the nerf is arena
raw summit
That's where it matters to us
Since we are in #pvp
What the pve Arms guys do is none of our Business
sharp meteor
But many arguments do not take into account that the nerf is arena
wym lol it's pvp
warm prawn
yeah, but they nerf all meele class
wet scarab
it is still stupid though against high sustained damage classes like DHs and afflocks which didn't need the extra damage against warriors
raw summit
I have mw against afflock 
raw summit
The spheres are great
wet scarab
yeah the other day he neutralized a 70k deathbolt
warm prawn
All hate retry/war, and retry/war hate all casters :V
wet scarab
I /grovel before every game
raw summit
All hate retry/war, and retry/war hate all casters :V
Ret war is a 2head comp tbf
warm prawn
The match making look for you teams hard
i play ret war, and we have alot of fight with only caster. Mague boomy, Frost demon/frost afli/boomy ele
if we dont get the oneshot, we lose
raw summit
if we dont get the oneshot, we lose
That's a reason i dont like the comp
warm prawn
Don't be guided by the clips
warm prawn
That's a reason i dont like the comp
Only vs caster, if you dont get the oneshot, they win.
raw summit
I understood your point
warm prawn
and not only ret war.
warm prawn
i get oneshot 1 of 15 arenas xD
full quiver
make it a pvp talent, nobody picks it in pve much anyway, so you make an active ...
it would literally just be a mandatory tallent then
that would feel bad
warm prawn
SP + Afli D=
warm prawn
i miss the old SW
warm prawn
My friends who played the ptr, told me that it seems it will not be a metaoneshot
sharp meteor
yeah so dmg is down on patch release due to trinket bonus and health is up so stuff WILL slow down at least for a month or two
will it speed up with tier and second leggo? probably
them nerfing defensives when the biggest complaint is everybody dying instantly is funny tho
warm prawn
will it speed up with tier and second leggo? probably
i wanna test 4 tier + legendary Overpowerd
wet scarab
it would literally just be a mandatory tallent then
it would but if the point is to prevent warriors from abusing defensive abilities then it would let you make a conscious choice to play more defensively since you'll lose another offensive talent like warbringer, and it will be a balancing act in the same way soulbinds are, where you might play a more defensive game and limit the one-shottedness of melee cleaves by playing that sort of game
full quiver
or you could just revert the execute dam buff
sharp meteor
no delet this
wet scarab
lel
full quiver
can't go back to condem because they nerfed DS
warm prawn
or you could just revert the execute dam buff
you kill maldraxus and kirian xD
sharp meteor
condemn could be fine if they buffe dit enough becaause it sucks in all content rn and probably will for all of 9.2
warm prawn
can't go back to condem because they nerfed DS
Venthyr have that i name like a SHADOW NERF
sharp meteor
0 iq 100% uptime was cringe
wet scarab
I'm wondering whether other classes have a covenant that simply sucks for everything
like it is bad in all - pvp, raids, mythics
warm prawn
death sentence have 6 sec cd on 9.2? o he reverted?
wet scarab
it's still in there
warm prawn
fuck, that is the fucking nerf that i hate xD
I got used to not having sustain and playing very offensively, the nerfs to our offense annoy me more
full quiver
yeah so no more condemn monkeys
i swear execute nerf > d stance nerf to fix wars lol
warm prawn
i swear execute nerf > d stance nerf to fix wars lol
i am with you xD
They just finished killing Ventyr on pvp
wet scarab
I'm happy with the ds nerf it's degenerate gameplay
though I will miss perma DSing monks through ring of peace
craggy socket
Why not just play Venth warrior now?
wet scarab
the condemn nerf and execute buff
just not worth it
though of course you can play whatever through duelist
full quiver
i played no leggo to 2500
cause i swapped to necro and forgot i had mirror on
err em*
sharp meteor
yeah i need to do night fae next season
then i wonder if i can setup a warr without a cov
and/or no leggo
steep inlet
@marble marten ffs =)
marble marten
@steep inlet bro it's glad coach, but my partner coach is on his fresh ret lol
why are you playing with volko at that rating xD
robust hearth
Warrior dead RIP 
steep inlet
we play for fun with a healer friend
ember arch
i'm crying.......
sharp meteor
I mean if the meta slows down and fury gets some damage buffs it is a possibility that they become closer in power
finite fox
Turbo should be played with fury
marble marten
we play for fun with a healer friend
u know i'm more warrior xp than monk xp atm xD
steep inlet
np man
elder wigeon
arms isn't dead but is very squishy next patch
people meme about die by the sword being super short cd, but it's only going down 4 seconds with a maxed out conduit
right now it's 80 seconds its going to 76 seconds
sharp meteor
yeah i think it really depends now on how the meta looks in terms of pacing and whatnot
elder wigeon
faster pace
sharp meteor
because if things get more lethal then I am spooked
elder wigeon
a lot more lethal
sharp meteor
pls no daddy holinka
elder wigeon
i've seen the PTR, people die way way faster
sharp meteor
ptr is mixed bag because it's full of literal unranked players
and random broken shit
like 150k feral dot
that was aoe
elder wigeon
it would surprise me if warriors weren't B tier from the d-stance change you literally just go warrior vs any comp now
now intervene isn't a cooldown
sharp meteor
yeah vene off the table and they passively take a lot more damage
also duel isn't a factor
this is why i didn't want them changing dstance
oh well
also so whacky to see a bunch of indirect rmp buffs
elder wigeon
it's just, why deal with intervene if you don't have to
wet scarab
It’s just bizarre that they nerf a sustain damage defensive ability when warriors aren’t the highest damage sustaining class and it’s a one shot meta
sharp meteor
"people gotta die" ~holinkster
wet scarab
Every other class that got nerfed got nerfs to on use abilities whereas our end result is being 10% easier to kill throughout the game
All the other classes got damage or healing buffs too and we didn’t get any counterbalancing changes
thick reef
should i reroll arms or ret pvp 2v2s
sharp meteor
rogue or hunter
nimble jasper
or feral
sp lock in 2s is so gross @sharp meteor
i swear its almost as idiot proof as rm
sharp meteor
it's annoying when people realize that lock is bait and just hit sp
gaunt loom
Is rogue actually goated in 2s even without a mage?
gaunt loom
I was gonna say, I know outlaw is really good with a healer
wary frigate
no chance fury becomes close to arms in 3v3 viability with 9.2 right?
nimble jasper
locks spread this propaganda
that they die easy
sub hpriest
kinda plays like rogue mage
sharp meteor
yeah need to go through their drain pact port gate grip from priest then full health drain and wall
sp has fade dispers and gate
can run on unholy nova + soul
sharp meteor
intervene becomes a less effective tool for raw numbers if they run at you
example vs jungle if they trap healer you intervene some of the damage on your partner while the healer is in cc
now the jungle hits you and intervene is a dead button in that particular scenario outside of giving somebody safeguard
you CAN use it to eat physical cc like the bash maim intim on healer etc
wet scarab
I feel like warrior is at the same point as when WW got nerfed, where the obsession and constant feeling that the class is overtuned persists way beyond its actual moment in reality and it becomes just A tier, then it gets nerfed and it’s just… okay?
Never understood the WW obsession when so many classes were one shot capable
ember rose
Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happend.
sharp meteor
like if every game is just run at warr and vene/duel useless and you sit d and do no dam
gonna be awful
ember rose
90% of my games were mirror warriors anyway lol
wet scarab
robust hearth
holy fk
Lol just go fury with leaper leggo for tht brawl all u do is do everything tht gets u out of slows/immune to root/stuns and all u do is grab flag get down outside and wait for ppl to come chasing towards you then leap away to cap flag and repeat
robust hearth
Tht brawl is so flawed because the way to easily win it is go into classes/specs tht can grab and run back the fastest.. so like guardian druids... vengeance DH's fury Warr with leaper leggo
nimble jasper
btw @sharp meteor queued some rogue mage 2s first time this season
this shit way more braindead than s1
sharp meteor
its SO BORING
robust hearth
Leaper leggo+barbarian+soulshape= gg
nimble jasper
cuz of kyrian lego
sharp meteor
also had a game where i bodied a mage in rmp the other day while the rogue was in stealth
like legit just in stealth as his mage is a seed
nimble jasper
i havent queued 2s on my rogue since july tho
i think my mmr is fked
was at like 2.2/2.3 mmr despite 2.1 2s
and went even yet +48
and the mage was 1880 cr
idk
idk rogue mage the dmg feels so dumb
last season only real big dam you had was during vanish flag
now its like uhh fk it kill with double blue pointers in opener?
nimble jasper
also had a game where i bodied a mage in rmp the other day while the rogue was i...
Fk 2s tbh
when its hunter or feral
every game
sharp meteor
yeah i dislike 2s other than helping a friend get a quick and easy rival or duelist
for like their xth alt
sage raptor
3s aren't any better tbh
nimble jasper
i q’ed with a priest that had 55k hp
mind you
he got kicked on surge 5x
in a 4min game
sharp meteor
3s aren't any better tbh
nah gimme 3s any day on any comp over 2s
nimble jasper
idk it was funny too
guy was playing with a fury
didnt hit me so i just rode his sham
in battle all game
sage raptor
nah gimme 3s any day on any comp over 2s
3s is a bunch of monkeys running around corners lol
elder wigeon
I genuinely don't think warrior will be top dog of the melee in 2's anymore
elder wigeon
sure if you consider survival melee
sage raptor
Good. The meta should change throughout the season.
sage raptor
Expansion*
elder wigeon
right i forget about outlaw
iron basalt
Yo did the death sentence nerf get reverted?
elder wigeon
No
nimble jasper
i feel not enough people play it
elder wigeon
death sentence is dead, I would never take that garbo talent in 9.2
elder wigeon
it bugs out way too often on live for that nerf to still make the talent viable
iron basalt
I don’t see the death sentence nerf in the changes
nimble jasper
like idk why but
elder wigeon
idk if there ever was a patch note for it
elder wigeon
BM is brain dead
nimble jasper
ww is mostly cuz
you kill healer in 2 stuns
and watch the hunter not peel
+guy petsacs on tony the tiger spawn
altho that spec was awful to q into rogue mage as
dont pre one go=dead
elder wigeon
how it's gonna be playing warrior into RMP next patch lmao
nimble jasper
gonna remind me
of that one s1 game i had
where warrior leaped out the gates
and trinkets opening db
to die in a kidney bomb
sharp meteor
ah yes trinketing db my favorite move
nimble jasper
ah yes trinketing db my favorite move
watching lontar q with tren into an rmp
“trinket tren”
elder wigeon
I'm just gonna get ran down by pouch of razor fragments in 9.2
nimble jasper
“why am i dead in opener through blur”
yeah idk
i dont look forward to 2s
might only play outlaw in it since its a bm counter
warrior as is to any hunter with a brain
elder wigeon
don't need a brain next patch when the warrior is taking ~15% more damage
nimble jasper
even this patch i swear its hard to lose
elder wigeon
and you have pouch of razor fragments
sharp meteor
I'm just gonna get ran down by pouch of razor fragments in 9.2 <:sadge:820202363...
yeah gonna get eaten alive by jungle LMAO
sharp meteor
just take 10k dps to the face until the match ends
elder wigeon
yea i get eaten alive by jungle as is lol so hard to live
nimble jasper
was funny listening to mag last night
sharp meteor
yeah they stopped going me as of late
elder wigeon
literally 6K dps in dstance that I'm taking
sharp meteor
unless they're mm and im with my mw
yep
it's like perma d between bolts/cds
still dead all game
elder wigeon
now that's gonna be like 7K dps I'm gonna be taking, literally unhealable
nimble jasper
“see if i stop any one of the three people in an rmp we live, if jungle gets a scuffed go im still dying”
sharp meteor
yep
nimble jasper
elder wigeon
and that's if I'm in d-stance still, if I'm not then it's way more
sharp meteor
ya battle feels like inting even if it's outside their stuff
nimble jasper
jungle feels awful
elder wigeon
it does lol
sharp meteor
their sustain just so much higher that leaving it outside your bolts/goes or w/e
sharp meteor
is just death
elder wigeon
being in battle next to a ret war feels like running it down mid
sharp meteor
also that yeah at any moment they can just turn and ding you
idk i dislike this change a lot
elder wigeon
yeah I mean whatever, just cata warrior again
elder wigeon
when the borrowed power of 76 second parry goes away in 10.0 and the d-stance is still 10%, warrior will be C tier
nimble jasper
i see complaints the other way around
elder wigeon
unironically C tier
sharp meteor
when the borrowed power of 76 second parry goes away in 10.0 and the d-stance is...
ye actually tho lmao
nimble jasper
altho i think mag did say
sharp meteor
idk being ran at every game with no parry, weak dstance, which also makes you do no damage, and not being able to get value off intervene/duel
it's like cool
nimble jasper
“difference is rmp cant make mistakes vs jungle and still live”
as opposed to making mistakes vs any other comp
sharp meteor
hold on lemme find a thing
elder wigeon
yeah dueling someone without d-stance is gonna be troll lmao
sharp meteor
ya god bless
nimble jasper
like the eu rmps straight up
trinket aggro and turn around
ding someone whos off dr
watching them be like
“yeah trinket non factor just stun trinket half and go through”
sharp meteor
yeah it's like "dang dude this comp almost made me use block it's bullshit"
nimble jasper
altho i swear
the eu rogues do the vanish aggro with venthyr and crit lego way more
wet scarab
What was cata warrior like I quit end of wrath
lucid walrus
not good iirc
nimble jasper
yeah it's like "dang dude this comp almost made me use block it's bullshit"
I’ve been saying its weird since corrupted season
elder wigeon
beginning of mop
nimble jasper
when every eu rmx would abuse spites
but na ones had a weird “code of honor” against using them
lucid walrus
ah yeah
nimble jasper
if they could force you to stay in it
lucid walrus
i only remember the eye and the shades tbh
nimble jasper
base effect was just increase dmg taken reduced healing
yeah things from beyond proccing for 1/3 your hp
sharp meteor
was funny when they didnt' put you in combat
so you'd just force cds and blind or w/e
lucid walrus
i liked borrowed power having drawbacks but it's weird in an arena context
nimble jasper
kidney bomb
sharp meteor
dk ww was naother one with chains grip rings disable root etc
nimble jasper
kill warlock in opener
sharp meteor
eventually corruption go so high u died instantly
lucid walrus
sit a full kidney with your it follows lookin ass clone marching at you
lucid walrus
i wish i abused full gush when it was a thing
nimble jasper
kidney
half cheap trinket
and garrote
so he cant wall either
this was also when you wore 2 trinkets
so rogues had drest
and mage had a claw
nimble jasper
that eu rogue i linked a clip of @sharp meteor
big funny
man played mastery proc corruptions in s4
with bote major and unbound force minor
sharp meteor
oh yeah queued into a few trying that
nimble jasper
yeah bote drest/bike
sharp meteor
i liked the void ritual destro man
elder wigeon
funny to me we're gonna have less vers next patch than this one because of the tier set lmao
elder wigeon
d-stance nerf gonna be hittin different with less vers
nimble jasper
idk why but
even the rogue tier set barely has vers
when 2/3 of the specs like vers in pve
sharp meteor
dstance nerf when game becoming more of a knife fight rmp/jungle gang
lucid walrus
never go def stance, full crit only. all gas no brakes. win or lose game in 40 seconds
lucid walrus
sharp meteor
idk most rival dh players sound like they're on a verge of having a stroke
where's that clip of the guy smashing his desk because he trinketed air before bust
nimble jasper
best part about necro mm thug
wet scarab
You have to have ADD to play demon hunters
nimble jasper
killing dh in opener
wet scarab
Yes we are about to live the reality of what we have been saying to fury warriors all along
nimble jasper
@sharp meteor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qb2mU9LHbo
sharp meteor
yeah that's the one
nimble jasper
10k dps to the desk
wet scarab
You’re a shittier DH just roll that
Though the silver lining of the dstance nerf is that DH boomie games will be 10% shorter before inevitable defeat
nimble jasper
what i really dont get about that clip
how did the rogue mage get both trinkets before bust
and both have their own trinkets
full quiver
what i really dont get about that clip
Man obviously doesn't know the pre blur sight, meta across map onto rogue strat for 2s
sharp meteor
i see one guy playing outlaw rmp and their short blind is rly annoying and long range
nimble jasper
way faster than throw glaive
sharp meteor
also it opens slow which i think spooks a lot of people
like outlaw wants to litearlly open with ambush
wet scarab
There are outlaw rmps?
nimble jasper
and you dont wanna drop combat
lucid walrus
outlaw is on the list of specs i don't wanna see being meta just bc of how janky it is
and functionally immortal with the cdr
sage raptor
i see one guy playing outlaw rmp and their short blind is rly annoying and long ...
30 yard blind on a 1:30 cooldown ftw
sage raptor
Bfa outlaw was amazing.
nimble jasper
swear in rmp tho
not having step kick
makes it lose value
i mean yeah it almost won bcon
till cdews team dinged people with starsurged
nimble jasper
outlaw is on the list of specs i don't wanna see being meta just bc of how janky...
You could argue sub is also super janky
it's like a large contributor to why orc is good i feel
lucid walrus
yeah fair
nimble jasper
like rets my cheeks are getting clapped whether the stun is a full 6 or not
lucid walrus
chaining stuns without much care at all. in fact it's p essential
lucid walrus
rogues gapping stuns bc they get greedy or forget ab racial is always fun
lucid walrus
played into zurza on my 2.4 push, killed his rogue randomly. waited for him to reconnect in another game bc he dc'd and (we) got throttled
scary
sharp meteor
"waited for him to reconnect"
nimble jasper
waited too long to trinket man instant recheaps trinket
and kills from 40-0
in a global
lucid walrus
didn't wanna be a dick abt it
lucid walrus
this was just an hpriest/sub team
nimble jasper
Oh
lucid walrus
i'm still dog @ 3s and just wanted a tabard
nimble jasper
and i queued into swacked once last season
doing a boost
monkaW
Have run into pika a few times but its not so bad cuz his viewers are so shit
sage raptor
You say that like warrior players are any better lol
wheat jay
Warriors need dmg and intervene
Rogues need to spam kidney along with one of their isolating cds
Like smoke, duel, blind
Neither sounds too difficult
sage raptor
Ezpz
nimble jasper
no
sharp meteor
demo is stressful
spice hornet
its just so badly designed
that all that dmg is loaded onto demon bolt
its retarded
spice hornet
like we can only do so much until we are forced to take a 40k demo bolt
nimble jasper
according to lock players
undone pumice
los
undone pumice
according to any player of any spec their spec is trash and u need to be R1 warrior worthy to hit glad on their spec
elder wigeon
og players
sage raptor
do people genuinely enjoy fighting demo locks
Easy as a dk. But other than that nr.
undone pumice
bajheera, savix and magnus
nimble jasper
uhh
undone pumice
r1 is r1
undone pumice
alliance has better racials
nimble jasper
yeah
undone pumice
so its gotta be easier
plain wing
like how many r1s are there
nimble jasper
alliance r1 is actually harder
undone pumice
better pvp and pce racials
plain wing
less % then hall of fame?
nimble jasper
of only the best players
plain wing
on horde side i mean
nimble jasper
less people playing=less r1 spots
plain wing
Like how many r1s on horde
nimble jasper
spots vary by season
plain wing
holy shit im looking a ladders
theres people that are 3500?!?!?
what is the highest rating of all time - this?
undone pumice
this season has been going on for so long
sage raptor
3800 I think around there
undone pumice
people are super high crs
plain wing
there's been longer patches/seasons tho right?
nimble jasper
1800 is 1400
not wrong
plain wing
im 2100 this season (on warrior) in less than 200 games
plain wing
I was say it was harder than 1800 in season 1
nimble jasper
0 brain andys
nimble jasper
pretty dead now
you couldnt lose rating in s1 till like 2k
unless your team was total trash
undone pumice
rbgs seem really ez
plain wing
i remember i had friends doing rbgs
and it seemed like a nightmare
like def easier to get to 1800
nimble jasper
which is still slower than 0-2100 doing something like
plain wing
but fuck it seemed to take forever
undone pumice
like if 10% of ur team is useless
not that big of a deal
but if 50% or 33% of ur team is useless
it is
plain wing
isnt 10% of your team literally 1 player hahaha