pvp

[dense dagger]

had to ask my healer why boomie was 20%

[midnight mirage]

Spell reflect is just like an uno reverse card

[dense dagger]

idk how I reflected 30k worth of starsurges though

thought they had to land same time

[main silo]

Do you guys have any tip for not having my screen full of name bars from warlock & dk pets ? When i remove minions name in option i also lose the track of totems

[fierce elm]

Get a nameplate addon

[distant dagger]

Can you still obtain the 1800 pvp appearances after season is over? Like right now?

[fierce elm]

where you can separate minions and totems

Season is not over @distant dagger

When season is over thought its unobtainable

[distant dagger]

Oh then it ends like next reset?

[fierce elm]

yes

[distant dagger]

And are the appearances account bound? Like i get it on my warrior, then every class i have has the elite appearance?

[fierce elm]

If they use plate, yes

[raw summit]

All plate classes

[distant dagger]

Ahh i see

Thought it was tied to achievement

[kindred swan]

anybody know what PVP rating we'll need to obtain max ilvl tier set pieces?

[eager oracle]

Max ilvl for pvp or pve?

[old trail]

Yo guys

Whats looking like the better spec/coven in pvp next patch?

for 2's/3's

[raw summit]

looking to be kyrian arms

[old trail]

Is venthyr arms or fury viable at all or significantly worse?

[raw summit]

venthyr arms is a lot weaker

and fury i wouldnt queue

no dstance no fun

[main silo]

afro do you got any nameplate addons u recommend?

[raw summit]

@fierce elm

[fierce elm]

hello team

idk, I have used Threatplates forever

[main silo]

ok ty

[raw summit]

ill look into em too ty my guy

gonna set that up off season

[wet scarab]

what trinkets are you guys using as human? brooch and badge?

[robust hearth]

Finnaly did it, my first 2400

[raw summit]

gz

[craggy socket]

Losing to bad RMPs makes my blood boil lol

[nimble jasper]

how do you lose to bad rmps lol

Also, you’d think playing mage gives you a pretty good understanding of how the comp works.

[craggy socket]

Yeah well partners have alot to do with it too lol

I mean just lost to a necrofrost rmp. my healer got one shot not lining the deathborne -.-

oh well, just hit 1950 first week of ever playing warrior, not shabby.

[nimble jasper]

necrofrost rmp sounds

really bad

its mostly fire rmp that is stupid

cant really avoid getting db shept

then combust is such a lethal min or so cd

[craggy socket]

Yeah for real thats what I mean by when I say "bad" lol

I suppose the necro frost does have its moments

[nimble jasper]

only in MLD

[craggy socket]

Is there a good guide on what I should be reflecting for each class?

[raw summit]

reflect stuff that hurts

[nimble jasper]

mostly cc

[raw summit]

but hunter trap

hoj

poly

[nimble jasper]

i feel

[full quiver]

got a reflect on silence other night

lol

[nimble jasper]

also you actually cant reflect poly

vs any mage

with a brain

cuz just fireblast off reflect

[craggy socket]

Yeah I remember playing against a warrior that would intervene reflect every single freezing trap i put down

I was amazed

yeah i got reflected into polys all the time

[nimble jasper]

you made it too obvious

then

[craggy socket]

Well I mean I am a noob

hahahah

[nimble jasper]

same with grounding totems

theres legit a twitter post from zeepeye

[craggy socket]

First 2100 was this season haha

[nimble jasper]

complaining mages can fireblast his grounding

mid sheep

and land it

but idk mage has one of the highest skill ceilings

in the game

[craggy socket]

yeah thats what Ive been told makes me feel better about retiring mine 😛

[raw summit]

unretire it someday

[craggy socket]

nah nah

[raw summit]

learn the script and then variate on it

[craggy socket]

i wanna zug zug for life

Warr/DK/Ret

Mabye a tad of hunter and a healing priest

[nimble jasper]

I mean….

fire is pretty mongo if you do it right

clean bust opener forces so many cds

or kills

[craggy socket]

I just dont really enjoy playing it anymore tbh

[nimble jasper]

dk only really has skill expression with unholy due to pet management

ret is for idiots

[craggy socket]

I dont have many friends that play things that mage works well with

[nimble jasper]

number of rets i see

[craggy socket]

That explains why I love ret<3

[nimble jasper]

who sanc like

3 secs into stun

????

[craggy socket]

are you rank 1?

[nimble jasper]

no but sanccing 3 secs into a stun

is dumbass play

[craggy socket]

Forsure is

[nimble jasper]

almost as bad as the guy who blows his cds

then half hojs me

like uhh thanks bro

just kite your entire wings

cuz you cant watch drs

[raw summit]

ret has a decent skill ceiling if you stop chasing the oneshot

[nimble jasper]

yeah i mean

ret feral 2s

if they have brains

[craggy socket]

i mean everything has decent skill ceiling at some point

[nimble jasper]

bm hunter

the ceiling is the floor

dhs too

i cant tell any dhs apart apart from the ones who’ve had pre bfa r1s

[craggy socket]

I mean is DH that easy? Mabye ill give it a try

[nimble jasper]

genji and revolutio

[craggy socket]

Bm hunter has to trap

[raw summit]

pika playing necro ret + necro warr was cool to watch

[nimble jasper]

only dhs with somewhat of a brain

at least in 2s

[raw summit]

literally pve

most of the times

[nimble jasper]

hunter trap is like

not hard

you just stun first

then drop trap

or if you’re like jellybeans you just trap off a slow only

9/10 times

jelly mostly plays mm tho, but the fact he plays like 2-3 gcds ahead of whats happening at all times

[craggy socket]

Yeah Hunter and DH are going to be alts of mine forsure

mabye try some healing on hpal or priest too

[raw summit]

hpal isnt fun to me idk

priest cool

[craggy socket]

priest the og healer

but then im back in a dress

[raw summit]

just use the anboni mog

or smth

that isnt a skirt

[craggy socket]

eh

[nimble jasper]

use frostfire

[craggy socket]

NO

[nimble jasper]

ok plagueheart

[craggy socket]

[nimble jasper]

[raw summit]

its like sayin dreadnaught or redemption

(its always dreadnaught)

[nimble jasper]

idk

renown necro plate

kinda clean

[raw summit]

it owns

[nimble jasper]

idk what optimal wep should be

@raw summit i queued into a fury coper in 2s today

did double his dam

sitting battle all game

[sage raptor]

So easy. And nobody bothers to interrupt eyebeams

Some do

[nimble jasper]

i mean you can interrupt beam

in 2s

[raw summit]

for renown necro itd prolly be legion hidden axe

for fury

[nimble jasper]

3s its kinda sus

[raw summit]

focus dh

focus bolt

[nimble jasper]

no in dh boomy you kill boomy

esp at low ratings since bad boomies dont press bearform

[raw summit]

rdus i see also hardly do it

[robust hearth]

Thx guys

[robust hearth]

Idk how but it was insane the 1 time a rogue grabbed flag in wsg and there was 3 stacks on it he was 100% hp I had a sudden death proc I popped all cds and warbreaker execute 1 shotted him from 100% hp lol

[raw summit]

necro cds

it be like that

[spice hornet]

does anyone legitimately enjoy playing the game into boomy/dh

[nimble jasper]

yeah

boomy dh players

[raw summit]

the satisfaction of killing one of them isnt worth the time spent trying to kill them

to me anyways

[robust hearth]

Venthyr will be bis next season right?

[sharp meteor]

Hopefully not.

It sucks in raids, keys and pvp, I think, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that it sees buffs.

[full quiver]

yeah

as TSG we just blasted the rsham

[spice hornet]

holy rmp need to be nerfed so bad

[elder wigeon]

baby proof

[spice hornet]

i have to work too hard

to beat them

as ret warr

feels good tho

[elder wigeon]

good stuff

[wet scarab]

So sad to see the holy priest and rdruid buffs make it unscathed through the ptr

Lol they even reduced the mana cost of holy word serenity

Like wut

Even in pve that wasn’t necessary

[sage raptor]

Another buff?

[wet scarab]

It’s the same as the ones they announced a few weeks ago

Basically across the board buffs to their healing

And a talent that makes tranquility immune to knock back lul

The one reason MW mattered

[sage raptor]

Absolutely batshit insane

I hope rdudu is complete garbage next expac purely out of spite.

[sand halo]

hi guys , anyone capable to enlighten me on what trinket to buy and Upgrade for Pvp ?

im planing to do some next tier , to farm tier sets

[lucid walrus]

cc break-wise or statwise?

[sand halo]

i would say the best combo for rbg

[lucid walrus]

medallion is played by everything except human since relentless is a situational pick. as far as dps trinkets are concerned it doesn't especially matter, badge for on-use and crit is about as good as the haste proc one

[craggy socket]

keep doing gods work

[hybrid solstice]

do you guys think the trinket set bonus change is gonna make vers less worth in 9.2?

[sharp meteor]

medallion if orc, relent if human, then insignia

[sand halo]

thank you

[finite fox]

Do you guys think with the new healthpools ret war is still going to be the play or will stat scaling still allow fast kills

[sharp meteor]

retwarr should b fine

[nimble jasper]

ret war isnt only fast kills

[sharp meteor]

ya retwarr lasts a long time

[lucid walrus]

S-tier is clearly only defined by fast kills

the faster the kill the more S-tierer you are

[sage raptor]

Tier lists lol

[nimble jasper]

WPS is more fun anyway

[sharp meteor]

yeah you chill while they run at your priest

[spice hornet]

Ya I love that

[nimble jasper]

I mean I've always like sp rsham comps

just cuz you can run down warlock players

[spice hornet]

does numbing only play lame ass demo arcane rdruid shit 24/6

[sharp meteor]

i usually saw him queuing with that one ww fellow

and then in 2s it's the super mongo rdruid

that plays voke

[lucid walrus]

super mongo rdruid

dstance nerfed to 10% wall

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-2-ptr-hotfixes-for-february-17th-pvp-tuning-326000?webhook frenzied regen nerf doe

[sharp meteor]

finally maybe rmp will be viable

[lucid walrus]

curious. neither mage nor priest in sight

only rogue nerf was further reduction on their stealth absorb

[last prairie]

[lucid walrus]

dk

[sharp meteor]

lol

lmao

[nimble jasper]

mage untouched cuz blizz devs are 1500 players

and 1500 mages are bad

[lucid walrus]

this is all i read with that cloaked in shadows nerf

[nimble jasper]

i mean

they lose to jungle

technically

[lucid walrus]

ya

jungle spooky

[nimble jasper]

i actually dont understand

[lucid walrus]

surv jungle gonna be terrifying

[nimble jasper]

how na jungles lose to rmp

[spice hornet]

Need further nerfs to mage conduits

Can’t punish them

[sharp meteor]

they nerf everything tanky except the tankiest spec how curious

[nimble jasper]

I swear it's because

[elder wigeon]

i can't believe they nerfed d stance

[nimble jasper]

they balance more around shitters

cuz shitters cant play mage

for some reason

even tho fire needs a nerf

[elder wigeon]

time to reroll

[nimble jasper]

rdruid needed a buff tho

[little lava]

so d stance now 20%dmg done less and 10%dmg taken reduced?

[nimble jasper]

struggling spec

[little lava]

or 10/10

[nimble jasper]

thousands making it work

[elder wigeon]

10% damage reduction to the warrior 20% reduced damage to others

[spice hornet]

Can’t wait to get violated by assass rogue

[elder wigeon]

d stance is dead

[little lava]

whaat

XD

rip

[elder wigeon]

warrior B tier now

[spice hornet]

Not even worth using

Bounding stride time

[little lava]

if u have absorb and take dmg is ur second wind cancelled?

[lucid walrus]

no

[little lava]

kk

necro warrior with that

every 2mins? xD

sadge

[sharp meteor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[lucid walrus]

flesh getting nerfed too so it'll last 1 less global lel

[rugged root]

[little lava]

remember the time when dstance was 10% less dmg done and 20% dmg taken reduced in pvp

[spice hornet]

Now WPS Is going to kill me even faster through all my CDs

[nimble jasper]

assass?

feel like its gonna be outlaw

unless 3s then i still think sub is gonna be better idk

[lucid walrus]

please no

anything but the cr pirates

[nimble jasper]

vanish aggro for double 7pt evis crits

pooger

[lucid walrus]

pogger town

[nimble jasper]

tho i can see outlaw playing kyrian next season instead cuz double lego

less burst but way more cdr XD

[sharp meteor]

seems shit for outlaw

[nimble jasper]

gonna be great running down bm hunters with super short evasion cd though

yeah but i cant see them using venthyr lego

[sharp meteor]

necro and venth so suited

[nimble jasper]

desyncing flag from dreadblades

or maybe you just pretend the cdr part dont exist

[nimble jasper]

also not sure if they confirmed

whether the tier set BTE shots

will trigger wickers

[twilit flax]

The tyrant can only reign so long

[elder wigeon]

just gonna be a repeat of season 13 for warrior

[twilit flax]

Warrior preping the cheeks

Playback in route

Payback*

[undone pumice]

why they nerfing warr so hard

so do we just go bounding stride now?

[elder wigeon]

kinda lol

it's a heavy handed nerf

[visual sierra]

cause warrior needs it thats why lol

[sharp meteor]

imma jungle main now

[elder wigeon]

they're not even reverting the previous nerf of 10% outgoing to 20% outgoing

[undone pumice]

im an adc main now

[twilit flax]

Lol feral nerf is just as back bro

[elder wigeon]

so 10% reduced incoming and 20% reduced outgoing damage

[undone pumice]

time for

second wind

[elder wigeon]

second wind is beyond trash

[undone pumice]

me when warrior has multiple dead talent rows

[sharp meteor]

second wind dead outside of meme 2s where u leap away and heal up

fk

[undone pumice]

i only play 2s

[elder wigeon]

second wind isn't even good in 2's man

[sharp meteor]

yeah it's awful

[undone pumice]

dont have a third for 3s

bandages are just better second wind

[elder wigeon]

second wind needs to be turned into wrath second wind at least

[sharp meteor]

i was thinking like absolute most fringe case scenario is some scuffed shit like

[undone pumice]

mop sw

[nimble jasper]

ok mop sw

was a bit much

[sharp meteor]

ya mop sw but then u just die because no dstance lmaooo

[elder wigeon]

20 rage over 10 seconds and 10% max health heal over 10 seconds every time you get rooted or stunned

[undone pumice]

fair

[sharp meteor]

that's it im running impending victory

and playing with a dh

[elder wigeon]

mop second wind is trash in SL

the burst is too high

[sharp meteor]

yeah too fast

[twilit flax]

Warriors

[undone pumice]

warr rogue viable now?

[elder wigeon]

this isn't the nerf we needed lol

[undone pumice]

judt go impending victory

[visual sierra]

I can get to 2400 rating on warrior pressing 2 button

buttons

we deserve every nerf

lol

[undone pumice]

no need for stormbolt rogue can literally wait out his own cc drs

[elder wigeon]

we spotted the non warrior main

[undone pumice]

warrior press like 6 buttons actually

tyvm

[visual sierra]

bruh dont even try

[undone pumice]

dh only presses 3 fr

[twilit flax]

I approve it was a well placed nerf

They take too little DMG

Too tanky

[visual sierra]

yes they are another redic class lol I went over to DH and same thing

3 buttons and working my way to 2400 on that one to

[undone pumice]

frost, havoc and arms are the same spec

all pretty braindead dps

[sharp meteor]

blur still 80% dodge on ptr

[twilit flax]

Microsoft clearly got some sway in this

They knew wassup

[undone pumice]

they knew

dem woyers

[twilit flax]

Frost is not what it use to be at all

Very different spec

[undone pumice]

too tanky too much damage!

[twilit flax]

It use to be like arms and dh

[undone pumice]

so much cc

[twilit flax]

2 expansions ago

[visual sierra]

want to know the real shit that needs nerf

RMP

[sharp meteor]

nah nah

[visual sierra]

hands downm

[sharp meteor]

holy buffs

boom

[twilit flax]

I'm logging on my mage when I get home

I will feel dirty

[nimble jasper]

i mean biggest issue rn

is holy chastise

makes rmp idiot proof

[visual sierra]

yeeeeep

[nimble jasper]

yet its still cancerous trying to pug it at lower ratings

because mages in the pits

dont have poly bound

or some shit

oh look

you know how to switch sheep

[undone pumice]

rmp just has a higher skill flokr but lower skill ceiling than most comps imo

[nimble jasper]

guess we go up 400 pts

just cuz

[timber ocean]

10% def stance nerf means survival hunter got 10% dmg buff vs woyor

cool

love it

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk

its very annoying q'ing with mages

that dont have any exp

[undone pumice]

mages can get cancer and die for all i care

[nimble jasper]

once you get a good mage its like

[lucid walrus]

wmx is fun i'll give them credit for that

[nimble jasper]

"win opener? yes"

[lucid walrus]

they just don't have a reason not to play RMP rn

[nimble jasper]

feel wmx is worse

cuz no rogue for bad mages to sheep off stuns

lmao

[lucid walrus]

it's definitely not as good

[nimble jasper]

yeah just saying

[lucid walrus]

it'd be like taking a dk to play tsg while you're playing the war

[nimble jasper]

alot of mages are ass

and cant land poly

[lucid walrus]

when you can just go q ret/war

[undone pumice]

what the fuck is wmx

[nimble jasper]

w/o stun first

warrior mage

[lucid walrus]

war/mage/x = healer

[undone pumice]

WOYER MAGE

????

[nimble jasper]

it won

awc

[sharp meteor]

warrmage

[nimble jasper]

its pretty good

[lucid walrus]

it was very strong s1

[undone pumice]

thats illegal

[nimble jasper]

look for games under 2k and you'll find a ton of mages

who cant land sheeps

[lucid walrus]

sp and mage have similar levels of comp flexibility to war tbh

[nimble jasper]

on people who arent stunned already

[undone pumice]

i have not been sheeped ever

by a mage

in all of my time playing arena

lmao

[nimble jasper]

idk why its so hard tbh

db sheep makes it

[undone pumice]

happens when ur in pisslow cr i guess

[nimble jasper]

so idiot proof

[undone pumice]

db sheep isnt hard

[lucid walrus]

DB sheep really does just line up perfectly w DR

[undone pumice]

just spit in someones face and press poly

[sharp meteor]

Say it ain't so

[undone pumice]

is this live already

or pbe

[lucid walrus]

ptr

[sharp meteor]

PTR

[visual sierra]

/clap

[nimble jasper]

yeah but for some reason at pisslow cr

mages cant land poly

idk why

[visual sierra]

👏

[lucid walrus]

no point in them bringing it live when it'd only be live for 4 more days

[nimble jasper]

its 100% easier to q like

dh boomy

at low rating

and still rawdog people

as you go higher

lmao

[undone pumice]

what

4 days patchie

[nimble jasper]

imo they should have touched ignore pain

[lucid walrus]

funny how pressing it can positively impact damage tbh

[undone pumice]

nerf tactician

[fallow gyro]

I mean ignore pain is pretty damn strong given the CD of it, but you cant argue that constant 20% DR from d stance wasnt broken

[elder wigeon]

idk, if warrior had 10% dstance on live right now I would die every single game

10% d stance isn't enough with having parry as only active defensive cd

[undone pumice]

so dont take dmg

[elder wigeon]

[undone pumice]

[sharp meteor]

then rogue step disarms the parry

oh well maybe it'll be fine

[undone pumice]

it wont

[tired portal]

or monk just ranged disarms through your parry

[finite fox]

Well I was guna play warrior guess I better dust off my rogue and buy a spear for my hunter

[lucid walrus]

this doesn't gut the class by any means

[undone pumice]

it doesnr gut the class

[lucid walrus]

if you're gonna play alts then play alts

[undone pumice]

but its a heavy nerf combined with the ds nerf

[visual sierra]

its not a gut

I mean arms is literally the highest percentage of represented classes in higher rated pvp beside RMP

but its not a gut its just knocking em down abit

[twilit flax]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-ton-poop-rhino-gif-15151913

Blizz b like

[sharp meteor]

they didn't nerf rmp

[twilit flax]

Present for our fellow arms wars

[finite fox]

So now you just train the warrior

[nimble jasper]

no ret

[tired portal]

at 10% damage reduction would it even be worth taking still?

[elder wigeon]

probably but we are going to be in it as little as possible

it's a negative trade to be in d-stance

[sage raptor]

I read somewhere that it won't. That could change though.

[tired portal]

shield block blocks all melee attacks against you for 6 secs (has 2 charges) and reduces damage of a melee attack by 30%, will we see warriors using shield block now with dstance nerfed?

[sage raptor]

Don't you need a shield for shield block or is that just prot? I never bothered trying with arms.

[tired portal]

you need a shield but it only stops you from using mortal strike

overpower, execute, slam, rend can all be done with a one hander and shield

but i think setting up a macro to switch sword and shield with two handed costs a global and cant remember if it can be done in arenas (i think it can)

[elder wigeon]

it can be done, I don't know if it's worth it though

requires you to use intervene and charge as a defensive thing and that just sounds asinine

[lucid walrus]

that's loads of lost pressure just to die a little slower to pure physical damage

no clue if it's worth

[elder wigeon]

more than likely not

[lucid walrus]

can't see a world where it is yeah

[craggy socket]

How the FUCK do i beat rmp

[twilit flax]

[tired portal]

wont block just all physical, all mellee, so should work against dhs, rets etc

30% damage reduction to melee for 1 global to swap to shield (shield block is instant + 30 rage) and wont reduce your damage done that much, (can still overpower, execute, slam, rend, spear, just can't mortal strike)

if you combine ignore pain plus shield block you might be looking 60% damage reduction, 2/3rds gets through then halved.

not saying its the way to go just throwing ideas out there

[lucid walrus]

for sure. not gonna turn my nose up at theorycrafting

good info as far as block's concerned anyhow

[elder wigeon]

the problem isn't necessarily mitigation outside of cc, it's mitigation inside cc

you can't block in cc

you also can't block while disarmed

[tired portal]

true

[elder wigeon]

I'm just not sure

I think we may just go the tank weapon enchant

the increased healing received one

[tired portal]

ascended vigor-Permanently enchants a weapon to sometimes increase your healing received by 12% for 10 sec when taking damage ?

[tired portal]

can shield block block melee stuns though?

[lucid walrus]

p sure cheapshot can go through our wall and stuff like chastise, hoj and bolt are all ranged

i have zero idea if you can block kidney but i wouldn't bank on it

[undone pumice]

its a kidneyshot

not a handshot

[nimble jasper]

you can dodge kidney yes

cant dodge cheapshot

[tired portal]

will this increase the value of venthyr? (constant 10k+ absorb on yourself from condemn)

[lucid walrus]

death sentence nerf kinda just kills it imo

10k seems generous but idk exact numbers anyhow

[sharp meteor]

feels bad on 2h i think

sinful rev always up

[tired portal]

on the ptr now, after 4 condemns on a pvp target dummy im getting around a 12k absorb at 282 pvp ilvl

[undone pumice]

but u take dmg while ur condemning

so idk

[craggy socket]

2k in 3s first week of switching to warrior

not bad 😄

Idgaf if its inflated haha

[fierce elm]

Be proud of your achievements regardless of inflation

[craggy socket]

Thanks this discord is extremely helpful

[full quiver]

Here a a good macro for you to get that 2100 push done

[undone pumice]

why is this so funny

[sage raptor]

Because it works

[undone pumice]

just press ignorepain on cooldown broo

no need for cheater macros

[sage raptor]

Why press many button when few button do trick?

[idle cliff]

How bad is the rating inflation right now?

Out of curiosity

[sage raptor]

Glad is a participation award

[idle cliff]

Sick 😄

[sage raptor]

Not knock anyone's first time getting it, but there are a lot of players who paid for a boost or they played with people that were miles better than them because some of them don't know what's going on half the time and it shows.

[full quiver]

Yeah

[sage raptor]

When a season is long enough, eventually a lot of people who are less skilled get it.

[full quiver]

You can tell when they don't have good macros like that

[idle cliff]

I'm just curious that's all, I'm super casual, got 1800 early and quit before 9.1.5

Just wanted the set

[sage raptor]

The average cr is usually 1800 but this expansion is a black sheep.

[near delta]

I played with this obviously boosted glad ww last night. Dude legit just didn't understand how the rotation worked at all and just straight up didn't use sweep

[sage raptor]

Didn't use sweep??

Lol

Wtf

[near delta]

Man got his first 2400 achieve Friday

After playing for years at 2100 max

The just immediately dropped all his rating after he got it

[sage raptor]

Monks at even a 1600 cr know to use sweep at least once.

[idle cliff]

Are we keeping enduring on head in 9.2?

[nimble jasper]

1600 monks dont know how to scare you with sweep tho

its weird

[near delta]

He used it twice in like a 4 minute game

[nimble jasper]

they dont send big dam with bonedust

[sage raptor]

If I can get glad, anyone can. I'm a super casual pvper

I plan on playing more alts next season. The glad mount doesn't interest me.

[steep inlet]

So all nerfed except rmp

Which has a combat rez now

And assa untankanble burst

Kk

Gg blizzard

[marble scaffold]

rmp has a combat rez now?

[steep inlet]

Yep

Priest can angel and rez in angel

And get back to combat

He can rez someone in angel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE8Q95Yd1Ps&ab_channel=chrisichinose

[nimble jasper]

highly doubt its gonna be assa rmp tbh

sub with crit lego and kyrian is uhh....

[steep inlet]

Anyway RMP is now S+++++ tier

And they nerfed everything else

Ggs

[nimble jasper]

they might go nf next season if it is tho

and sepsis becomes pretty nasty if not dispelled

[spice hornet]

have gotten 3 of my friends gladiator who have: never pvpd until this season (he made a ret), one guy lifetime 1800 but has been playing classic for years came back, and one guy hardstuck 2k in 2s

[fickle forge]

No way, RMP is bad
Nerf its competitors please

: )

[steep inlet]

It’s insane

Glad to have Lost Ark and it’s insane and well balanced PvP

[nimble jasper]

jungle prob still farms it

but yeah uhh

sus decisions

[steep inlet]

With Paladin master peeler love it

[spice hornet]

over in eu rmp all over the place

[fickle forge]

Was under the impression it was close to even

Don't think there's a comp that straight up farms RMP

At most you're even

[nimble jasper]

jungle has always done well into it

even corrupted seas when hunter was kinda meh

[fickle forge]

Jungle was S-tier in corrupted season though?

[nimble jasper]

i feel only EU played it

NA didnt really q jungle

[fickle forge]

Frankly

[nimble jasper]

wmx is usually good for it too typically

[fickle forge]

True that

[spice hornet]

i dont like to play wmx

cant ever find a mage

they only wanna play with subrogue or spriest

and then u play with one finally and he can't land a sheep to save his life without the entire team being tcheaped

[fickle forge]

WMX does rely a lot on the mage

[lucid walrus]

lotta respect for wmx glads tbh

[frozen copper]

as arms, whats my rotation after i charge my opponent? should i throw my spear to keep them close? stun/fear them? or should i stack two overpowers, then spear?

[elder wigeon]

personally I'd rather overpower twice after I have a colossus, overpower does a lot of damage

I don't play for a big mortal strike, I'd rather do a 0 stack mortal strike than overpower before CD's if I have them and plan on using it

[main silo]

RIP warrior, we had a good run

[steep inlet]

We will get focused every time

But that doesn’t mean war is dead

[main silo]

Can just remove def stance

[steep inlet]

Won’t play with it anymore I think yes

[undone pumice]

war is gonna be dead every game

[scarlet barn]

Fury is da wae

https://youtu.be/UL5rvYcqmU0?t=21

[sage raptor]

Warriors get a 10% nerf to dstance and people think it's the end of the world lol.

[scarlet barn]

Well it is quite major nerf

So of course it will spark debate like that

[sage raptor]

Long overdue tbh

[frozen copper]

any advice for hunters? they aimshot or rapid shot me once and im dead.

[tired portal]

hunters with their Marksman's Advantage conduit, in 9.2 will have 9% damage reduction with no offense penalty that they can bug to be applied to all in the arena https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFfJ_waUWAs&t=3125s (at least they could back in august not sure if its fixed) ?

[frozen copper]

pvp is balanced (every major patch)

thats some bs

[sage raptor]

Hunters have an unbreakable shield and a root with no damage threshold. Why can't their be a damage threshold in pvp?

[graceful quarry]

what

[wheat jay]

Steel trap can be broken and binding can be dispelled

[sage raptor]

That's not an excuse for an unbreakable root.

[scarlet barn]

It is breakable

[elder wigeon]

maybe the 10% increased damage we're gonna take will help break that root

[scarlet barn]

But not by hunter damage

🙃

[scarlet barn]

Def

[graceful quarry]

cant wait to not play ret

actually nvm, boomkins exist

[elder wigeon]

people clown on how small this nerf is to d-stance

[wheat jay]

I find it less annoying than 40k exe preceeded by 20k charge tbh

[graceful quarry]

its p big

cause its warrs main defensive

[elder wigeon]

we're gonna take 12.5% more damage from this, because the difference from 80% to 90% is 12.5%

[graceful quarry]

would rather they nerf execute dmg or parry or something

[raw summit]

But why is there no change to rogue or mage

[elder wigeon]

because blizzard plays rogue mage

[graceful quarry]

bc blizz loves rmp

[raw summit]

I doubt anyone at blizz plays pvp

But mage is mage

So mage stays good

[wheat jay]

Cuz they are more loved kids

[raw summit]

Main character

[graceful quarry]

at this point if u play pvp and dont main rmp ur kinda trolling

cause it will always be s tier

[raw summit]

Mhm yea

Time to reroll magu once i get my warri done

[graceful quarry]

its 2030

the only comp played above 1.4k is rmp

[wheat jay]

Patch 11.2

Rogues get execute

Usable from 30%

Shadow duel has 2 charges

[graceful quarry]

patch 10.0 rogues now get to lockpick the arena gates before the game starts

[scarlet barn]

just make it 100%

So you dont wait for your demise too long

[graceful quarry]

10.0.5 polymorph has been replaced by true polymorph, it now has an indefinite duration

[raw summit]

Pyroblast has been buffed by changing the pvp modifier to 2,4 was 1,9 previously

[wheat jay]

10.1 Smoke bomb cannot be entered from the outside

[raw summit]

Smoke bomb like shamy Ring

Cant get out

[graceful quarry]

smoke bomb now deals damage to enemies inside it if they dont wear a ffp2 mask

[wheat jay]

Combustion now ignites you irl

[sage raptor]

That's true

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-on-fire-this-is-fine-doll-burn-gif-16509870

[dense dagger]

didnt the tier set do that before rework

[fickle forge]

You actually have 14.6% less effective health now

[elder wigeon]

where are you getting 14.6% less health?

[wheat jay]

looking at vers value i presume

[fickle forge]

1/0.8 vs 1/0.9

Actually 13.9% so sry

[tired portal]

i hate that talent warbringer and i hate that they took away overwatch and gave us that instead

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/873944893800714290/927372596335509584/unknown.png

[graceful quarry]

lmao

[fickle forge]

I don't think there's any other ability other than Dstance that's nerfed this hard in PvP compared its PvE version

Full on uno reverse card

We're back to using heroic flee

[nimble jasper]

imo they should have just done what mud suggested that one time

and nerf your rage gen in d stance

[scarlet barn]

Or further nerf damage done in dstance

[raw summit]

30% seems reasonable

[scarlet barn]

Even double would be fair

[raw summit]

If u wanted to kill warrior say no mortal wounds during dstance

[scarlet barn]

20% dr but you do 40% less damage

Would seem like balanced tradeoff

If you ask me. You turtle up but you are not a threat anymore

[fickle forge]

Two warrs in Dstance fighting each other then

[nimble jasper]

i feel rage nerf in d would be good idk

more incentive to go battle

if you wanna do damage

[fickle forge]

Or just leave Dstance like it was

[raw summit]

^

[fickle forge]

Nerf parry conduit or something

[raw summit]

Nerf Banner mastery in pvp and idk

OP by 10%

For less pressure

Who the fuck knows

[fierce elm]

Remember when execute got buffed

[raw summit]

🙏 never take away

Please

[nimble jasper]

parry being a sub 2min cd

just feels weird af

[raw summit]

2 flat still fine

Tbh

[steep inlet]

wondering if we are on par with fury for tankyness now

they just have no parry

[raw summit]

Fury copers

[steep inlet]

but they have 30% reduce dmg too

[raw summit]

Fury theoretically has warpaint

Which is 10%

But since you drop enrage in stun usually

Doesnt do shit

[steep inlet]

yeah tests will be done anw

i'm sure some big warriors will go fury

now

[raw summit]

I doubt it

Having a reliable mortal strike is just so big

[lucid walrus]

it does

[white briar]

idk, seems likely we'll be pretty decent still as arms.. likely not the absolute top tier melee that you can pair with any other class to make a super solid comp, but having specs that have that level of strength is not particularly healthy for the game imo.. it's like destro lock in bfa s4 - hpal/destro/x was one of the best comps for all x... pretty shitty tbh

[lucid walrus]

makes mirrors awkward too

[fickle forge]

Arms has always had a broad comp selection, we just fit with most stuff

[fierce elm]

F tier next patch

reroll

[sage raptor]

Then this server will be the new dk server and it will be dead

[scarlet barn]

Lol you wish

[sage raptor]

Not really

Though I wonder how many people are here because arms is so good. I wonder how many will leave when it's not as good.

[scarlet barn]

Some people are here for many seasons

So you would still be wrong

But I like the way you wish this misfortune on us

[sage raptor]

I'm not wishing anything lol

It was a hypothetical

I don't want another server where people are saying arms is good because you can get a 16k mortal strike with duelist gear and THATS as high as it gets.

[scarlet barn]

🙂

[sage raptor]

See what I'm saying?

[sage raptor]

Rip unholy btw

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/who-gif-4519872

[fickle forge]

Think @steep inlet speaks true when he says that to some warrior is more than just a good class

[scarlet barn]

It is a lifestyle

But dks cant get it...

[sage raptor]

Of course not. The DK community pushes nerfs for their own class.

[elder wigeon]

class identity hasn't mattered to blizzard devs since they dropped wod

we can cope and seethe all we want but we just have to figure out how to deal with the shit sandwich they gave us

gutting d stance is a copout

[sage raptor]

Be vocal about the change and give different suggestions? Just an idea. Idk how to go about it.

[elder wigeon]

don't forget that we had this fucking thing baseline, and to hand it back to us as a talent that's worse than it ever was in cata/mop

[tired portal]

d-stance dancing was fun and added complexity to the class

[sage raptor]

It really did

[elder wigeon]

I also think that's half truth

if you're really after the dancing then the wrath warrior is your cup of tea

I don't care for it that much, I much prefer cata/mop warrior design

but pre/post cata/mop era, I do believe warrior design was superior pre cata/mop

warrior has gained a bit of its identity back but it's an abomination because class design has sucked for a long time

at least in pvp, I cannot speak for pve

[sage raptor]

PvE too.

I don't understand the need to take things away every expac and give back a dollar store version of it 3 expansions later.

[steep inlet]

Legion wanna talk to you

[sage raptor]

I'd say that's more spec identity.

Specs felt like their own class. There's a middle ground somewhere and I'm not gonna pretend that I have a solution.

[elder wigeon]

idc what happened in legion man you had an artifact weapon, don't come at me with that borrowed dogshit

I skipped all the bad expacs man, WoD, Legion, BFA, this one's shit too but at least there's no extreme pruning or artifact weapons/power

legion may have been a great expac content wise but don't fool yourself when they tell you the new coke zero is better

[fierce elm]

lmao

[sage raptor]

I got banned from wowhead for saying Steve Danuser is a terrible writer.

I'd do it again

[elder wigeon]

idk who that is, I'm not that invested into the inner workings of blizzard I can just smell bs from a mile away there's just no excuse for where class design has gone

[graceful quarry]

im sure thats not the only thing you wrote

[sage raptor]

I also mentioned he has a hard-on for retconning lore

Not a single swear

[elder wigeon]

we love retconning

[sage raptor]

So what do you suggest?

[graceful quarry]

nah blizz loves ret cucking

[elder wigeon]

"haha oops we accidently lost all our data except 5.4.8"

that's what I suggest

[graceful quarry]

mopsune back at it again

[sage raptor]

Like Hillary and her deleted emails. A classic.

[elder wigeon]

look man it was the best idc what you legion zoomers have to say

[graceful quarry]

i didnt play legion

[sage raptor]

Idc about legion.

I hated class specific questlines.

[elder wigeon]

like, need I say more? look at this supercar of a class https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKqWxkKw8VI and compare to how choppy the game is now

they also had physical servers back in mop and spell batching wasn't a big problem like it is now

[graceful quarry]

take me to a place in time where ret was fun

[elder wigeon]

ret was fun s13 and 15

[sage raptor]

Reckful. What a beast.

[elder wigeon]

rets fucked in tyrannical season

like, cupid fucked hard

[graceful quarry]

wish ret had actual def cds instead of just

lol just wog

[elder wigeon]

look man i sympathize with you about ret, it's rarely good and not very often is it fun

[graceful quarry]

ret boomie rn seems mad aids tbh

[elder wigeon]

i don't doubt it

kyrian rdruid ret fire mage is likely sleeper disgusting rn

[graceful quarry]

problem with that is

replace ret with rogue

and the comp is 3x better

[elder wigeon]

idk I got hit for 50k in 1 global from an empowered ret with a wings proc vanq hammer

[graceful quarry]

that seems like a lot

does divine storm still double proc?

[elder wigeon]

it does sometimes yes

[graceful quarry]

cause it did that on ptr at some point

which is disgust

[elder wigeon]

wings proc melee crit, TV + DS + SW + TV proc all in one global

85-0

wasn't even stunned, was spamming disarm once I saw what was happening lol, just died in a 1 shot

[graceful quarry]

btw resune

[elder wigeon]

legit 1 shot

[graceful quarry]

they buffed ret 2piece set

[elder wigeon]

[graceful quarry]

in full pve u can have like 60% sera uptime

[elder wigeon]

the fuck?

can you extend procs with sera?

[graceful quarry]

who knows maybe they just fatfingered 2 to 3

[graceful quarry]

no idea

[elder wigeon]

because you can extend colossus procs with WB now

[graceful quarry]

all i have is this from some time ago

so it seems like it didnt work

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[graceful quarry]

at least at some point

[elder wigeon]

copium shortages

[graceful quarry]

maybe they just fatfingered sera proc from 2 to 3 sec

[elder wigeon]

unlikely

[graceful quarry]

when they increased wog nerf

[elder wigeon]

ret sucks in pve tho doesn't it?

[graceful quarry]

from 20 to 30%

well, its better than monk

[elder wigeon]

kekw

[graceful quarry]

it is not the worst spec overall

so there is that

[elder wigeon]

sucks they had to nerf d stance before I got to experience the warrior tier set rotation

i have a feeling arms is going to be very thirsty for haste

[echo aspen]

Anyone tried fury in 9.2? damage seems to slap...hard lol

[graceful quarry]

but tbh ret 2pc is a good buff

it wont make the spec bonkers

but it wont be shit now

[sage raptor]

How hard

[echo aspen]

With set bonuses and necro buff up they basically get hit by a train when u start spaming crushing blow

[scarlet barn]

until they get stunned

and then

bam

[echo aspen]

Well thats an issue all clases have tho

[scarlet barn]

Well fury isnt really durable to begin with

if enrage falls off

[glass sparrow]

dstance dead

[sage raptor]

Neither is arms now lololol

[glass sparrow]

we are doomed boys

[fickle forge]

Arms still has the advantage of being arms

So

RIP fury

[echo aspen]

Now that dstance is nerfed and fury has mortal strike why rip lol ?

[scarlet barn]

Cause arms is still better

tells you how bad fury still is kek

[fierce elm]

Warrior f tier

[scarlet barn]

nah

[sage raptor]

This is an arms only channel incase you haven't seen that yet lol

[echo aspen]

Racism

[sage raptor]

Truly

I mean, when was the last time you met an arms warrior that wasn't rude?

Racism clearly

[echo aspen]

Thats fair i am on all classes pvp chanel and this is by far the most toxic

Thus why i am here

[sage raptor]

It's full of toxic doomers and it's fun

[echo aspen]

If u complain about other classes here u just get asked to git gud and how much you can lift IRL

[sage raptor]

Told to git gud*

Arms is the only warr spec rn

If fury gets buffed more and arms nerfed more, Fury will be the only warr spec.

Is how it be

[elder wigeon]

to be fair, complaining gets you nowhere, improving will though

[sage raptor]

Ofc

There's a counter for almost everything

[elder wigeon]

that's why it was a long running meme about lifting

[sage raptor]

What would yall say is the most buffed spec?

[fickle forge]

Cause you don't have banner, duel, better MS and your IP is thrash

[sage raptor]

If I had to guess, I'd say DH. I remember them being complete dookie at the start of season 1.

[ember rose]

Arms glory days are over?

What tier we gon be in 9.2

[sage raptor]

A

The fall from S to A is a big one it seems.

[ember rose]

Rip

No free elite set anymore

[sage raptor]

Big pp crits are still a thing

[elder wigeon]

most buffed spec? probably enhance

or unh dk

[sage raptor]

That's a good one.

All those buffs and unholy still bad lol

[fierce elm]

Hpriest

[elder wigeon]

do we know unh is still bad?

rdruid got a lot of buffs too

[sage raptor]

Burst is good so I'll give them that

[fierce elm]

Hpriest

[sage raptor]

Hpriest is good too. I remember no one wanting to play with an hpriest

[fierce elm]

Arms is probs gonna remain s tier dont @ me

[scarlet barn]

lol have you seen DK one?

[sage raptor]

The DK one is all doomer talk and one guy claiming DK is good because he gits 16k death coil crits.

Duelist gear

And its dead most of the time

[scarlet barn]

yea you wrote that today couple of times

Time to move on

[sage raptor]

It pisses me off

Oh well

What I'm saying is it's not as toxic

[scarlet barn]

We arent toxic here either

[echo aspen]

Dk is not toxic but they are the only ones i saw that promotes nerfs to their own class lol

[sage raptor]

Flarks stream on the other hand

[scarlet barn]

telling people how to get better

isnt toxic

And fury is objectively bad

i dont see problem

[sage raptor]

Isn't that the weirdest thing? Lol

[scarlet barn]

One guy here got elite as fury in 2s but was boosted byt almost 3k exp shmmy

so go figure

[raw summit]

That's not shaming that's being honest

[sage raptor]

What does fury have that arms doesn't? Genuine question.

[scarlet barn]

Nothing

Consistent rootbreaker at best

[sage raptor]

Rip

[echo aspen]

On the ptr at least the damage seems higher both sustain and burst

[raw summit]

Fury needs uptime

[scarlet barn]

damag eisnt all

If you arent oneshotting

[raw summit]

U arent hitting a dummy in pvp

[scarlet barn]

Does it even matter?

if damage is overwhelming sure but as phil said

you need uptime as fury

which can be denied a lot

[echo aspen]

Well u can one shot with fury actually even now on live with a warbringer dragon roar meme build

[scarlet barn]

You flop , your defensives are worse

Is there still a chance? maybe but Fury is still on side that needs some identity that provides somehting

[raw summit]

As fury you are the dummy

You just die

[elder wigeon]

kekw

arms is just as squishy as fury now on ptr

[scarlet barn]

Well at least your def stance wont fall out if you get stunned

its huge nerf but you get my point

also IP costs less for Arms

And DBTS is majority of time better Defensive

[raw summit]

But muh bloodthirst heal

(it's bad)

In the end

Try fury

And feel the misery

[elder wigeon]

warpaint has a pretty solid uptime and doesn't cost you 20% of your damage

[formal creek]

so wait, it 10% dmg taken but still 20% damage done?

[magic tide]

@formal creek yup

[formal creek]

10/10 would be a better nerf but then we could be in perma d stance

[magic tide]

Even 20/40 would be good lol

[elder wigeon]

no that'd be pretty rough

just train warrior and win on mana because warrior could never do any damage

10/10 is a fair nerf but 10/20 is not

punished harder than you should be for a menial damage reduction

[steep inlet]

Yep that nerf is too much frankly

[elder wigeon]

funny enough, marksman's advantage is better than D-stance now in every way

[white briar]

the reason they don't do 20/40 is probably that that series of changes is about making classes less permatanky

20/40 would just make warriors do less damage.. this change does the opposite: makes things die faster

(warriors being one of the things that die faster obvs, but there are other classes included in that as well)

WWs bizarrely enough

[gloomy beacon]

I wonder how much the changes to the pvp trinket 2 set impacts the damage scaling you would have seen though, yes everyone is getting beefier but at least there isn’t that vers multiplier now

[formal summit]

Is there a clear best cov for 9.2 now?

Not sure if #268491842637660160 is up to date

[barren crane]

Seems lazy of them to hit d stance even though most other melee got nailed as well. I expected a utility nerd somewhere

Nerf *

[warped warren]

just put it on the global cd instead of 6s and its gud, or like 2s

[formal creek]

10/10 would be easy balance, 10/20 is so silly especially considering that 20% is added for pvp in BFA

[frigid bear]

So.. what’s everyone rerolling?

[undone pumice]

fury