pvp

[sharp meteor]

thought it was just from titch for like a week

[frank knoll]

I don’t even play warr anymore but this is the most lit PvP disc channel btw

Although Gone are the days of Calibri telling you that you suck

[raw summit]

Also how would i make a macro to stormbolt enemy 1/2

[@arena1]

[nimble jasper]

idk how rogues die to spear tbh

all you have to do

is run against the pull

[sharp meteor]

yeah

[nimble jasper]

then step mage

????

[raw summit]

Cool ty

[nimble jasper]

good rogue mages the mage will just

[raw summit]

For Party just Party 123 ig?

[sharp meteor]

not as reliable as i would like

[nimble jasper]

sheep you once you try to ding his rogue

[sharp meteor]

if u burn step charge u might be fkd

[raw summit]

Im not facing good rms KEKW

[frank knoll]

My DH dies to spear if no blur. Buff DH

[sharp meteor]

hope they fix blur

[nimble jasper]

rogue mage with a good mage

free puntos

[sharp meteor]

every dh dropping 400 cr next season

[nimble jasper]

win every game in 2mins

tov2k

[raw summit]

What's that about hitting/not hitting into blur/evasion btw?

[nimble jasper]

blur is like

you aint hiting them

during it

[frank knoll]

Bring back mana burn and blade dance dodge

[raw summit]

Does evasion CD go down if i slap into it?

[nimble jasper]

uhh

only outlaw runs the conduit

that does that

usually

[raw summit]

Ahh

[wet scarab]

Also don’t hit outlaw during evasion

[raw summit]

Ye im only seeing sub rn

[frank knoll]

Is outlaw good or just a meme

[nimble jasper]

in 2s

[sharp meteor]

excellent in 2s, unsure in 3s, haven't seen enough

seems at least good

[nimble jasper]

its unironically the best

[frank knoll]

I’ve never seen one in 2s

[raw summit]

Oh and if i have sharpen up and a one stack MS

[nimble jasper]

also why outlaw farms bm in 2s

[raw summit]

Do i OP MS or just rip ms

[nimble jasper]

the hunter is usually too dumb

to take his pets off the rogue

during evasion

so evasion goes to like

30s cd

[sharp meteor]

depends on sharpen timing

also don't ms into sharpen

[wet scarab]

I don’t think I won a single game against outlaw healer in 2s all the way to 2200

[sharp meteor]

it's really good but most rogues are more familiar with sub or assa

[nimble jasper]

also outlaw in 2s kinda of just

[raw summit]

So id sharpen global before ms?

[nimble jasper]

runs bm hunters over

[sharp meteor]

queued into outlaw/fire/disc that was rly good

[nimble jasper]

its hilarious

[sharp meteor]

i mean it can be same global as sharpen is off global but sharpen timing is trying to eat big heals whenever they may be

then mortal strike after sharpen debuff ends or u gap it

[nimble jasper]

i swear

outlaw healer is more common on eu

than na

[frank knoll]

I haven’t seen a single ele shaman in 2s either, seems like a discount fire mage

[sharp meteor]

yeah eu less dumb

burgers are dumb and bad

[nimble jasper]

assa is just

q into hunters

cry

[raw summit]

Ah so it's my uber mortal strike to try eat a swiftmend rather than a big dam MS

[nimble jasper]

unless its with a priest

[sharp meteor]

yeah shambles

[nimble jasper]

then you just run the priest down

[raw summit]

learning

[sharp meteor]

yes sharpen is improved mortal strike don't use for imp ms dam unless ur trying to 1-shot somebody in smurf game with modifiers

ms into sharpen debuff doesn't refresh or anything so u will leave gap

[raw summit]

So if i have pressure on something i sharpen

To keep them pressured

Or make heal have a worse time recovering?

[sharp meteor]

it all comes down to how they heal

[nimble jasper]

sharpening a healer

in the middle of his heal

big pog

[sharp meteor]

quick exmaple is u bolt enh shaman at 80%, knock him down to 40%, and sharpen as he comes out

[nimble jasper]

dont do the fuckup tho where

[sharp meteor]

so his healing surges do nothing

[nimble jasper]

your sharpen falls off

and ms is on cd

so guy has

no ms on him

for 2-3 secs

[sharp meteor]

or ur partner ccs enemy healer, u sharpen as healer comes out of cc to eat their swiftmend on their partner

similar if teammate kicks healer etc

usually trying to sync up with bolt but it depends

[nimble jasper]

idk why people play assa healer 2s still tbh

[sharp meteor]

its fun aside from surv

[nimble jasper]

swear outlaw just wrecks most melee

[raw summit]

So sharpen applies big mortal wounds instead of normal ones

[nimble jasper]

and you have gouge

[raw summit]

That has a shorter duration?

[nimble jasper]

for more cc

or pseudo kick

[lucid walrus]

MS doesn't override sharpen

[raw summit]

I gotta read tooltip again

I feel dumb

[nimble jasper]

sharpen overrides reg ms

tho

[lucid walrus]

hitting it while sharpen is up will obv put your MS on cooldown but not leave any MS effect

[wet scarab]

I see some ele in 2s and its always a 50-50 chance of me winning or getting one shot by a random combo I don’t understand

[lucid walrus]

most seem to play the vesper lottery

[nimble jasper]

also the funny thing about outlaw is

catching healers off guard

with increased kick range

and blind range

[lucid walrus]

30yd blind is hilarious

[nimble jasper]

also just fucks the script

if they try to trade trinket 1 for 1

[raw summit]

I think i get it, ty mens

[wet scarab]

I’m not even really sure why I die against outlaw because even their long kidneys don’t feel threatening

But then you’re just dead

Eventually and inevitably

[nimble jasper]

the main burst from them

is flagellation+dreadblades

then you just eat a fat 15kish pistol shot from greenskins

its alot more passive dmg

unlike sub or assa that can crank you 100-0 in 3-4 secs

[raw summit]

So kyrian phial would negate it?

Guessing it clears flag

[nimble jasper]

uhh no

its just a phys debuff

[raw summit]

Can you dwarf it?

[nimble jasper]

nope

why outlaw is great into hunters

[raw summit]

Neato

[nimble jasper]

craven dont do shit

[raw summit]

Ye fuck that lego

Although i think using WB getting them to feign and then spear works for me currently

[nimble jasper]

that or he just turns on bladeflurry

and makes the rdruid sweat

from hunter getting cleaved with his pet

survival still wins

[wheat jay]

Good ones use pouch against warriors anyway

[nimble jasper]

but you find

100 shit bm hunters

for every 1 good surv

[wheat jay]

Lmao true

[nimble jasper]

good surv/rdru team might as well /afk out

unless you pray they int

[iron basalt]

kyrian warriors: what soulbinds are you generally using for 3v3? is it mostly pelagos?

and should I use inspiring presence or safeguard?

[sharp meteor]

Always safeguard

[elder wigeon]

mostly mikanikos

[undone pumice]

mikakakose is the cutest

[jaunty furnace]

How do you create a cancel bladestorm macro without it canceling early by mistake? sometimes i accidentally spam it and it instantly cancels

[wet scarab]

yeah bind bladestorm to a button and then add cancelaura to every other keybind

I have it for execute, pummel, charge and intimidating shout

[elder wigeon]

pretty much

[jaunty furnace]

Got it thanks 🙂

[undone pumice]

cancelauara bladestorm on taunt

[pale minnow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556534405812977695/942844359974477864/unknown.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556534405812977695/942854108166094889/unknown.png

Just why?

[undone pumice]

wtf

[pale minnow]

Is everyone in horde so degen? Gets pissed after an inv decline and tells me their fake life tragedy. Literally people like these need therapy and to be removed from the game

[undone pumice]

is everyone in alliance so degen like that rogue who ganked me on my lvl 11 monk

[pale minnow]

Idk man people have way too much time in this game

[undone pumice]

ofc not but what the fuck is eith that guy

what math is he doijg

[pale minnow]

19 y old 4 y in millitary xd while look at this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556534405812977695/942857373343711383/unknown.png

Dude was playing from the military

[undone pumice]

wait

was that 4 years ago alrdy

[pale minnow]

Legion?

Ye

[undone pumice]

gawdamn

[pale minnow]

Apperantly I'm boosted cuz i'm 2.6 and i don't push further cuz i quited for 2 months

What is even this logic

[undone pumice]

idk man

seems pretty boosted not even 3k

ignore me hitting 1.8 for the first time last week

[pale minnow]

Yeah everyone under 3k is boosted

But he isn't that's the most important

[undone pumice]

like this guy seems genuinely boosted

1600 one season 2400 the next then 1600 again

[pale minnow]

I mean dude is just hating cuz i smack him always in duels and world pvp

[undone pumice]

do u play on some 100 player crossrealm

or is this guy just stalking you

[pale minnow]

More like a stalker

Chilling in elwynn forest and this shit crossrealms just to talk shit

With his horde friends

[undone pumice]

[pale minnow]

Haha

I mean imagine, saying his better say okay let's duel we same class so let's see

"Duel doesn't matter"

[undone pumice]

"gear diff"

[pale minnow]

We same gear so ge can't cry

But he says i'm gonna use pots xd

He gave me his adress to prove me how tough he is

[undone pumice]

does he live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

[pale minnow]

Idk some arabic country

[undone pumice]

xd

[pale minnow]

He played 1 hour per day btw and he reached higher exp then me d

1 hour per day with 11 alts

That's like 5 min/ alt

And he has like 10k games in arena while i have 1k

But ey" I'm 24/7 online" and he plays ONLY 1 hour

I think we found the new magnus

[undone pumice]

whars wrong with mag

[sharp meteor]

true though

[elder wigeon]

if you think you're old, mop was a decade ago

duels have sucked since wod and you cannot change my mind

[undone pumice]

duels have sucked since

2004

[elder wigeon]

nah duels peaked in mop because no class hard countered the other

[pale minnow]

Why wouldn't matter when it's a same spec fighting 1v1 with same gear?

[elder wigeon]

what does a duel prove though?

[pale minnow]

As a one on one spec there is noone to help your ass out it's just yourself and your skills

[undone pumice]

a duel proves who got more crits or who's rotation is better or who guessed strombolt and spell reflected it

[pale minnow]

Literally prediction and ability usage

As u do in arena but without healer

[olive owl]

does warbreaker buff spear damage?

[elder wigeon]

yes

[olive owl]

ok i figured it did ty

[pale minnow]

Like the game is unbalanced in duels with different classes cuz some may counter the other, but when there is the same class there aren't any excuses, crit? It won't crit you irrealistic amount of dmg

[undone pumice]

its rotation check

[pale minnow]

Also yes

U do 5 duels who wins the most there won't be any shitty excuses about who's better

[undone pumice]

ok and

ur better in a videogame from 2004

[pale minnow]

That's what i told the kid

Then he started telling his story what u red above

[pale minnow]

Imagine i tell you i don't wanna play bg with u, would you tell me your life story and that you are 1.8 and better then me?xd

[undone pumice]

idk i would probably just q alone

[jaunty furnace]

Solo Q when

[undone pumice]

soon

but fr

[eager oracle]

Some people are super cringe when they get declined. Happens pretty rarely but you have to appreciate it when it does

[atomic ingot]

warrior mald

[lucid walrus]

so true bestie

[jaunty furnace]

What rating does the PvP armor change color

when you upgrade it

[mystic barn]

final rank would be 1800

[mighty fractal]

In 9.2 will spear+unhinged be a thing or is that a meme

Prolly just spear+EB?

[elder wigeon]

the latter

spear + unhinged is meme

you have to run SoD to make that work

[mighty fractal]

I wish Necro had a good cov leggo... Gonna miss that sweet sweet mastery

[nimble jasper]

I mean you'll prob still play necro if running like ret war

pinning people in place with spear is really nice too

[mighty fractal]

Yeah just gets frustrating playing kyr because so many classes counter it

[nimble jasper]

idk if I would say

"so many"

[mighty fractal]

Spear is useless vs priests, rogues, hunters, dh

[nimble jasper]

some hunters you can bait them into feigning before spearing too

[mighty fractal]

True

[nimble jasper]

dh doesnt have an out last i checked

priest thats only true for shadow

[mighty fractal]

Its probably more my lack of skill coming out

Thought blur got them out

And greater fade too

[nimble jasper]

no but chances you hit them during blur

are pretty slim

[mighty fractal]

Unless you bolt them in spear and get a couple wacks

[nimble jasper]

nah you wont hit through blur

also idk sometimes again you can bait gfade

[mighty fractal]

I'm thinking evasion - smol brain

Need to get better with kyr

Necro is so mindlessly easy

[nimble jasper]

I mean yeah kyr is pretty great into meleecleaves

and you just pin them on all their cds

[mighty fractal]

Would like to find a sp to play with if Im doing kyr

Is affi lock warr a thing

[nimble jasper]

It's also the only way you are going to reliably

kill an rdruid that has his hands on the keyboard

[mighty fractal]

True but I generally just swap when hots are out and bolt is up, my rsham purges hots and force him to oom

[nimble jasper]

psure necro is only really better for ret war and kitty

not sure about kitty once bond gets nerfed

[mighty fractal]

Kitty is fun for the clones

But the shadowlands meta of one shotting ppl when you play warr ret is more fun

[nimble jasper]

ret war

fun

[mighty fractal]

[nimble jasper]

"yo bro sick play we pressed our stuns at the same second"

[mighty fractal]

Ez claps all day

[nimble jasper]

meh

never enjoyed w key someone all day comps

[pale minnow]

How about lumber with kyrian and nf warrior

Pin them with spear and Aftershock

[elder wigeon]

man kitty cleave 2's is fun

[marble marten]

i think yesterday i beat every kitty cleave as ret arms

[elder wigeon]

in 2's?

[dense dagger]

it's all fun games until a ferocious bite hits you for 35k

happened to me

[paper oracle]

https://gyazo.com/aff74f0bd1d295f945633347e9d4e898

[warped warren]

kyrian druid supercharged necro banner

[paper oracle]

with dark arch

[warped warren]

[gloomy beacon]

i like to think kevin is the reason this is possible, he is the real MVP ❤️

[fickle forge]

Stop posting saltwater+berserker numbers

[paper oracle]

i proc'd cauterize from 80% hp

kyrian tech + dark arch + banner =

[finite fox]

Farming full set of pvp gear this late into the season is actual cancer

[raw summit]

I need 30k more honor

[honest latch]

p sure you dont wanna spend that honor before the 22nd no?

[raw summit]

Gets reset

Might aswell Juice my guy now and have an easier time week 1

[fickle forge]

Dw bro
It's equally bad no matter what point in the season it is

[finite fox]

I think I have a better shot at just grinding on already geared char and buying boxes and gambling

[fickle forge]

Oh wait you're grinding honor gear?

[finite fox]

No cq gear

I already have full honor

[fickle forge]

Yikes

[finite fox]

I need a full set to start off next season somewhat decent

[raw summit]

Ye i wanna have my 249 done so i dont have to get catchup shit

[fickle forge]

Yah well, ilvl 230 gear will def give you a start alright

[raw summit]

That's why im sweating hard rn

[fickle forge]

Only thing that'll do is make you sad when the Chad RBG steering wheel guardian druid steps in with his 259 gear

[finite fox]

I can’t decide if I want to do ret or war

[sand shadow]

Not traditionally.

Conquest gets wiped out, Honor stays

That's what they did S1 -> S2 SL anyway

[robust hearth]

Is it worth getting unranked conquest gear for alts atm or nah?

[sand shadow]

Unless they said they're planning on wiping Honor specifically this go around?

[raw summit]

oh then i just remember it wrong

very possible

[sand shadow]

@robust hearth yes, that conquest goes poof on the 23rd

though you can buy 226 gear from the vendor in Haven for 500 anima each

[robust hearth]

Like would I be in a huge disadvantage if my alts are fresh maxed lvl with no pvp gear if I start late on them next season?

[sand shadow]

but won't scale as much and has rando stats

@robust hearth Lord Jesus Christ can be behind the keyboard and mouse, if he doesn't have gear, arena will be tough as nails and after certain MMR, impossible to push

So yes

[robust hearth]

Sitting with 5k conquest on my main atm

Kk ty

[nimble jasper]

harder depending on class and bracket tbh

if you zone into arena and have like sub 40k hp you're in for a rough ride

[sand shadow]

Which is precisely why Blizzard ought to improve the gearing system by at least a 100%

[nimble jasper]

nerf honor requirements

and remove honor cap

[sand shadow]

Frankly, I think most people would be okay if they set PvP gear to be absolute dogshit in PvE, if we could have easy start

[nimble jasper]

actually would have made this season somewhat alright

for gearing alts

[sand shadow]

and make conquest redeemable for honor

and make honor sendable to alts

and so many more

currently gearing my hunter

[nimble jasper]

[barren crane]

Account bound honor eh

[nimble jasper]

think about collecting 2.1 weps for mogs

"just get 10k honor 4head"

[sand shadow]

its insanity

[nimble jasper]

[robust hearth]

Remember when there were medals in WoD tht u can send to alts to get conquest points?

[sand shadow]

been sitting on max honor on my 2 mains for months now

nothing to do with it

some fucker at Blizzard did this on purpose

15K cap

[robust hearth]

It should be bg week this week, right?

[sand shadow]

a freaking full upgrade on a 2H is like 17-18k

[nimble jasper]

I mean that would make sense

getting a wep in vault first week of season

puts you so ahead too

[barren crane]

I would not object

Also what's the point of an honor cap if it resets each season

[nimble jasper]

it shouldnt

usually just conquest/valor

[barren crane]

Someone in here said they both do

I've never paid attention to it tho so idk

[nimble jasper]

Pretty sure mine didn't start of this season unless they going back on that this season.

[clear ember]

is a max honor weapon better than my 252 lance from raid?

[sand shadow]

honor wep? what ilvl is it in pvp?

for sure not tho

[raw summit]

its not better

since honor is like 226 max

[sand shadow]

rofl

for sure then

use the 252

[raw summit]

raid wep has vers on it too

[clear ember]

yea that's what i was thinking, just wanted to be sure

since im pretty new to pvp

[raw summit]

a big stick will help

[wet scarab]

We are all just constantly trying to get bigger sticks in this game

Especially shinier sticks

[raw summit]

red stick 🤤

[sand shadow]

@clear ember Ilvl is king

[wet scarab]

I have a silver stick but made it look gold

[raw summit]

in 3s i feel like all the pet nameplates end up confusing me too much since my screen is full, does that go away with time or should i get myself a proper nameplate addon?

[wet scarab]

there should be a way to suppress them for particularly oppressive enemies like demo locks

[raw summit]

ye demo and bm and monk clones

make it annoying

[floral ingot]

There is an option to turn off miscellaneous nameplates

Settings->Names

[raw summit]

if i do that i can see totems :/

prolly time to grab plater or smth and make players big pets small and totems medium

[spice hornet]

ahh

another day

another free win off Leoww and Caccie

Doing another selfplay

[finite fox]

WhAts with the rank 1 rogue being outlaw??

Did I miss a memo

[nimble jasper]

in what bracket

It’s a 2s thing

[finite fox]

3s

[nimble jasper]

he was prob q'ing 2s

[tawny elm]

anything else than gear boxes you can spend conquest on? for instance consumables

or mats

[finite fox]

No he is literally running hpriest feral outlaw in 3s

[nimble jasper]

how’d you find that out

[finite fox]

https://www.arenamate.net/EU/outland/Whö/history#!3v3

[nimble jasper]

kind of doubt it but

outlaw is good

just not for rmp

akro q’s offstream

[finite fox]

Doubt what

[nimble jasper]

arenamate can be fucky sometimes just shows anyone you’ve played with lately

in any bracket

he mostly q’s rmp with meh and raiku

[sharp meteor]

outlaw rmp is fine

[nimble jasper]

not as strong i feel

doubt hes queuing something worse when at top of ladder

[raw summit]

I feel like i should sit in dstance a lot more in 3s is that true?

Cuz i end up being stunned/whatever in battle and cost my healer cds

[nimble jasper]

you can check if you’re off stun dr

[raw summit]

Imma move my DR thing then

[sharp meteor]

pay attention to enemy cds procs and your stun dr

[raw summit]

Aight bet, ill fix that in the UI tmr

[magic tide]

Do you guys play fury or arms in random bgs?

[sharp meteor]

i don't even have fury fully keybound

[raw summit]

Fury is pve exclusive for me

[nimble jasper]

i dont hate myself

enough to do random bgs

[magic tide]

heh, fair - arms has all the good shit. I just feel like I die ALOT on arms in random bgs, where as a fury I can survive for longer. Feeling like I provide more value that way

Random bgs is just casual fun - always fun to just shit on someone

[raw summit]

Be Arms

Oneshot healer

[nimble jasper]

low rated arena works like that too

[raw summit]

Hope you get healed

[nimble jasper]

q arena under 2k

kill someone in opener

[raw summit]

That's literally all the content

[nimble jasper]

gg go next

[magic tide]

xD

Ooook I get your points!

I'll show myself out

[nimble jasper]

me start of season

q’ing into 5 bm hpriest teams in a row

thanks for the points

so nice

[magic tide]

Haha

BM now is nasty af though

[nimble jasper]

nah you just played

assassination resto sham

[thorny temple]

kill them in the opener

[nimble jasper]

and just killed the priest

[thorny temple]

always

[nimble jasper]

in 2 stuns

hunter never peels

just watches his priest die

[magic tide]

True, most hunters just play pve in arena

[raw summit]

If hunt in 2s has the feign Lego do i just go heal and let them pve me?

[thorny temple]

depends on what you play with but yeah probably

[sharp meteor]

ideally try to get feign with dam then spear if kyrian

[raw summit]

I play with mw

[sharp meteor]

if they're playing with something like a priest can just go them though

[thorny temple]

okay maybe not then, i play with rsham so i almost always run down the healer in 2's lol

[raw summit]

Ye i just dont like staying off of MM

Cuz ill get randomly pelted for 30k

[thorny temple]

yeah for sure with a monk it's a bit different since you don't have purge and stuff offensively

you're mostly just gonna hit whoever you can when you can

[raw summit]

Ye im just struggling hard with MM although we usually win if neither of us are oneshot

[nimble jasper]

you disarm doubletap

[thorny temple]

yeah

what he said

[nimble jasper]

if he tilt trinkets stormbolt

and send big dam

[raw summit]

Monk disarm was ranged or something, right?

[nimble jasper]

yes

30 yds

[raw summit]

Cuz i feel like i dont stay on mm enough cuz burst something shot

[sharp meteor]

ranged goes through parry same duration/cd

[nimble jasper]

yeah monk disarm

super balanced

[raw summit]

So have em disarm double tap

Dont pepega charge

[nimble jasper]

either of you can tbh

[raw summit]

Get feign out with either spear or wb

[nimble jasper]

if he tilt trinkets a disarm you can stormbolt trinket

and try killing him in it

[raw summit]

I need to pay more attentions to trinkets, will try doing that

[nimble jasper]

hunters at low ratings

are really dumb

and you can get their feign for nothing

[raw summit]

I have em feign for howl sometimes

[nimble jasper]

yeah then you send spear and unload on him

in battle

[raw summit]

I currently got the stat proc trink should i try snag a badge?

Seen it a ton on kyr

[nimble jasper]

proc is good

but badge is used more by necro i thought

[raw summit]

Ye i got no clue man

[sharp meteor]

insignia? ya it's fine/good

[raw summit]

I just wanna get the last bit to 1800 and then for next season start reviewing the shit i do and not play gear catchup all the time

I think for first season 1800 would be a fine thing to end on

[wet scarab]

I found MM match-ups a lot easier after going them

I don't bother with BM since they don't really peel their healers

but MM with disarms and spear and well-timed stuns and slows goes down relatively fast I find

BM damage feels a lot more predictable

[nimble jasper]

mm players dont peel

hell even when i was doing monk 2s at 2.4 I’d go healers and their dps dont peel

[raw summit]

Oh one more thing of im facing caster idk mage lock for example should i go death sentance sharpen Rally or try banner/big shatter stuff

[nimble jasper]

i dont think rally talent helps

go banner vs mage lock

[raw summit]

Realistically what am i going Rally into?

[wet scarab]

didn't mean I go MM because they're better at peeling, just that their burst is nastier

[nimble jasper]

uhh

honestly nothing

[wet scarab]

I treat them a bit like afflocks

[nimble jasper]

i dont think its worth

banner takes more finesse to do some sick plays with it

[raw summit]

I just Pop it down into rm after heal gets sapped

really not doing well on it's second use

[nimble jasper]

do rms actually sap heal first

[wet scarab]

big shatter is fun to make locks panic when they pop dark pact

[nimble jasper]

i swear its a shit strat

[raw summit]

Me generally

[nimble jasper]

sap healer db sheep warrior

same time

so no pre use of anything

[raw summit]

But i use that unfear thing and try catch with howl

Garbo mmr so that never happens

[nimble jasper]

if healer trinkets you can go healer with rest of bust

[sharp meteor]

Idk I like big rally into setup or big cd teams if there isn't better pick

[nimble jasper]

then step mage for reset

[raw summit]

So ret war as an example?

[sharp meteor]

Rm jungle usually

Duel disarm retwar

[raw summit]

Duel ive never used
Would defo help vs rsham dh

[thorny temple]

so someone told me there's a haste break point at 10% is this true?

[sharp meteor]

idk i have seen every combination of haste and crit

[wet scarab]

there are a few things that are somewhat inconsequential in the big picture but make other players panic that I feel don't really get taken into account often but are hilarious when they work out. Things like meme reflecting DK grips and prison in the opener, big shatter on dark pact, spearing an hpal right after a bop, etc. They don't accomplish much but it's like it throws them off just enough that they're unbalanced for much of the game

[thorny temple]

yeah man i got an upgrade out of vault today i'm trying to figure out if dropping 1% haste for some boots with crit leech and better ilevel is wroth

i think ilevel is always better right?

[sharp meteor]

every lock watches for shatter now can be hard to get off

[raw summit]

Ilvl saves honor

Mages aswell they cancel their Block rather than having it shattered

[thorny temple]

i'm talking like rival2 to duelist ilevel increase so it's like 4 ilevel

[raw summit]

Which i dont get tbh

[wet scarab]

they cancel the block so they can shimmer before you stun them, since you're casting shatter

at least I think so

[sharp meteor]

generally yeah in the case of pvp gear unless the stats are just bad for your spec and warr is fine with crit and haste

[thorny temple]

yeah i don't have mastery pieces

[sharp meteor]

even mastery seems fine

[wet scarab]

they should make it so big shatter breaks tranquility

[raw summit]

And turtle

[sharp meteor]

big tranq is weird because it's like turtle

[raw summit]

I just look at turtle and get annoyed

[sharp meteor]

but it can put them in a bad spot as their hots have all fallen off their whole team

[raw summit]

What can i even do

[wet scarab]

best part about turtle when your swing gets in just before and they die inside turtle

so delicious

[raw summit]

Never happens

I need more crit so i have to play the game less

[wet scarab]

it happened once to me and I was euphoric for a day

no this is with full haste kyrian lel

my little anti-meta hill

[raw summit]

Good warriors play that so it cant be bad

[sharp meteor]

the highest ranked warr is or at least was full haste kyrian

[wet scarab]

yeah but it feels like everyone else isn't besides smexxin no?

[raw summit]

I just like my crit cuz rando 30k exe is free cr

[sharp meteor]

o nm swifty highest ranked now with crit heavy necro interesting

[wet scarab]

yikes crit necro sounds nasty

[raw summit]

Sounds like a 259 geared booster oneshotting the buyer to 1800

[wet scarab]

do you guys have a baseline haste as kyrian before stacking crit?

[sharp meteor]

it seems particularly interesting with kitty

[raw summit]

I got 17 crit 10 haste and it's fine

[wet scarab]

I think I'll try that tonight

good to change up when hitting a wall

[raw summit]

What's ur wall?

The shamn totem

[wet scarab]

2250

[sharp meteor]

people stressin too much about stats which rly don't matter much

[raw summit]

Ever worth to hit it?

Earthen wall i mean

[wet scarab]

I mean full haste kyrian vs full crit is like a 10% difference

you don't feel it matters that much overall?

actually more, maybe 12% baseline

[sharp meteor]

less likely to randomly gib somebody in a spear playing full haste but also doing less outside spear

then matchup factors in like uptime etc

[raw summit]

More globals is more good things u can do

[wet scarab]

yeah the highest execute crits I've had as Kyrian are around 28k

[raw summit]

I had a 34k exe

At 230

[wet scarab]

necro more consistently 30-35k

[raw summit]

[wet scarab]

heh

[sharp meteor]

yeah i feel like i rarely see big hits

wish my enh played feral

[raw summit]

I get Sadge when 8k exe

[sharp meteor]

or rather had feral alt

[raw summit]

But they still die

So idk

Pressure rather than oneshot

Works ig

[wet scarab]

necro has so much meme potential that I end up playing stupid combos whereas kyrian is like a drink responsibly ad

so whenever I hit a wall in necro I switch and it's good for a while

[raw summit]

I need 19 more necro renown

And an unhinged/EB

Unhinged sounds funnier

[wet scarab]

it really is into clothies

I've one shot paladins as well before they bubbled

[raw summit]

Once i got my ass to farm some Gold ill get eb/unhinged leggos for 9. 2

Is mirror a thing anymore?

[wet scarab]

people don't really use it but I kinda like it in caster cleave matches when I'm playing melee cleave

[raw summit]

Sephuz full haste kyrian

[sharp meteor]

mirror can feel hard to get reasonable fall off of

[wet scarab]

had a match against a frost mage, afflock and hpal and reflected a ton of polymorphs and fears and a HoJ

had a match against a frost mage, afflock and hpal and reflected a ton of polymorphs and fears and a HoJ

[sharp meteor]

sephuz seems good into high cc but that'd also mean giving up enduring

[raw summit]

Just be orc amirite

[spice hornet]

would u keep qing this sesh

[sharp meteor]

psure we went 4-19 a few days ago

[spice hornet]

ya in the begining of the season i was at 2680 and then proceeded to lose 11 games in a row

[raw summit]

Are you/your mates tilted?

[nimble jasper]

go write an essay in gameplay review like bruin

[spice hornet]

LMao nah we're dropping our rating on purpose to help my bad friend get his glad wins, can't stand doing them anymore

[nimble jasper]

Kappa

[spice hornet]

have 3 friends to hel

help

got htem all 2400

but the wins take too long esp. when they are not that good

[raw summit]

Wanna be friends

[spice hornet]

ya ill send you my paypal

[raw summit]

Mount is goal next season

[spice hornet]

you will get it for sure

[raw summit]

Ehh

I mean itll be 9 months

So if it giga inflates to 5k i prolly get it

[spice hornet]

i doubt itll be more inflated than this one

[raw summit]

I gotta get a better grasp on 3s before mount though..

Maybe goal should be 2400 in either idk

Just improve tbh good enough

[sharp meteor]

i hope they split the season in 9.2.5

end third there, do a fourth

like bruh there's 6k people above glad cutoff rn

[elder wigeon]

Just bring back old glad

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, that'd also do.

either of the two would suffice

2400 in short seasons could be fine

2400 in 8-10 month seasons is just

idk

[elder wigeon]

Nah just do top .5%

Which would be rank ~760 right now

[wheat jay]

I checked recently

Around 2900 for eu

Horde

[sharp meteor]

it'd honestly be fine if they kept seasons short but for some reason they want to align them with new raid and keystones so here we are

3k being top 600

30-40 week seasons these days 10k people getting dargons and they're acc-wide

[full quiver]

well the problem is the pvp gear

cause they don't want pvp ilvl to outscale the mythic pve gear

[plain wing]

@sharp meteor I think it’s that way cuz nowadays blizz only really tunes / makes class balance adjustments in major patches….

Remember the days where tuning was fluid and happened constantly throughout a patch lololol

[sharp meteor]

wym lol use the same gear

[elder wigeon]

Just get glad on all your characters it’s literally free

Such a shame glad means nothing anymore

[wheat jay]

Don't shit on my achiev man

[elder wigeon]

it used to mean so much more, no shame in being gladiator but it should not be called gladiator

this version of gladiator is shameful for blizzard, not for the players

Elite should be 2400 after 50 wins, gladiator should be top .5% as always, i'm fine with the lesser ranks being achievable within the season

it's very sad

it's worse than duelist

old duelist

[sharp meteor]

glad is just participation 💀

[elder wigeon]

sadly

[sharp meteor]

1k between glad and r1 💀

[elder wigeon]

cataclysmic gladiator was sick

[wheat jay]

Yes

What do we get next expansion

[elder wigeon]

dragons

[wheat jay]

Since its gonna be dragons

Ye but what dragons

[elder wigeon]

no idea

mabe black dragons

🤔

[wheat jay]

[sharp meteor]

bfa had nothing to do with proto drakes and they used those so could get legit any armored anything

[elder wigeon]

yea tru

[sharp meteor]

rip wodlings tho everybody hated ground mounts

[elder wigeon]

ugly mount

[sharp meteor]

i liked sinister and corrupted

[wheat jay]

Waiting for pink dragon

[sharp meteor]

protos have tiny trex arms

[elder wigeon]

next season's mount is pretty fire but sucks it's free

[wheat jay]

If I could have pink armored dragon id farm it even if I had to get r1

There was a gold one too

Maybe s4

That could possibly happen in 9.2.5

I mean

I dont see how they could implement cross faction play and not change how titles and cuttofs work

So 9.2.5 would be best for new season

To also test it before 10.0

Imo s4 has a high chance of happening

There's also 2 vicious mounts datamined for 9.2

And we only get one in s3

Lol tru

[plain wing]

I haven’t played arena in 2 weeks and already feel rusty as hell…. Can feel the absolute meathead smooth brain coming back where I don’t think about anything and just pve instead. Afraid to hop back in now 🤕

[elder wigeon]

I just want the next expansion already, I'd love to see more casters get the redesign they need like shadow priest, and I'd also like to see a lot of depruning

[wheat jay]

Dh new spec

Something akin to arms, not more braindead fury

[elder wigeon]

kekw

i like that it implies fury war is braindead

[wheat jay]

I mean

Is the implication wrong?

[undone pumice]

its not implication

its just a fact

[plain wing]

Like even doing world content I feel lackluster and rusty/ tunneling hitting random shit. Stressed out even thinking about getting back into it

[wheat jay]

Bruh take a break

Chill in lost ark

I recommend deathblade for fast gameplay, ez

[full quiver]

So everyone just starts with 2.1 gear

[lean burrow]

sorry if it was asked before, did blizz change elite transmog for helmet to unlock on 1950 rating, or is it still 1.8k?

i'm big noob, so not on 1.8k

thanks

[full quiver]

Wep is 2.1

[gusty palm]

Pelagos still the play ?

[wet scarab]

I think most people play Mikanikos generally

Logged on to realise all my PvP sets were red and panicked because I thought I had accidentally sold a weapon or something then realised it’s because I deleted my tabard

I have accidentally sold expensive conquest items before

[sharp meteor]

Pela and Mika both feel nice

I'd like Kleia if potion CD wwere shorter and/or reset in combat

[elder wigeon]

kleia is still good if it's one use

[sharp meteor]

yeah just wish it had multiple

phial feels underwhelming for cov ability on most things that aren't sub

[undone pumice]

?

phial = heal on class without a lot of heal

[lucid walrus]

single use affected by MS. kleia's a godsend into sin or feral though

[undone pumice]

is still a heal doe

better than nothing and u cant bank on victory rush

[sharp meteor]

wow ye love me tiny 15% hp heal that i get once per game

whoops there it goes in under a second

like it's nice into assa and necro feral, maybe venth hunter but otherwise ehhhhhhhhh

[undone pumice]

idk if u die u die

it just be like that sometimes

[elder wigeon]

phial does suck but it's not completely useless

it definitely was better when you could phial off maledict

[jaunty furnace]

When does the season end

[sharp meteor]

not soon enough

monday, i think?

[pale minnow]

Febr 22 NA, 23 for EU

Time to fight whazz and raiku for top1

[elder wigeon]

21st at 10pm PST

feb 22nd at 1AM EST

[pale minnow]

Any ideas yet what could be the 2nd legendary for arms?

[lucid walrus]

enduring most likely

[pale minnow]

That's the basic one for necro

[lucid walrus]

i mean yeah

sure isn't going anywhere

[pale minnow]

Mirror i would say

[lucid walrus]

mirror seems kinda eh in 3s, comp depending

opposing comp anyway

[pale minnow]

Oh shieee

What if u are a human and use relentness + zephus + enduringm

[lucid walrus]

rele doesn't stack w anything

you also have to use covenant legendary for 1

[pale minnow]

Wdym?

[lucid walrus]

one of the World of Warcraft 9.2 legendaries you can equip must be the covenant-specific one

[pale minnow]

Ah well F

That's ultra shit for necro

[lucid walrus]

it's why a lot of people think necro will still be best for the comps it's best with but kyrian will prolly be a generalist

[pale minnow]

Venthyr with enduring?

[lucid walrus]

death sentence nerf fucks venth especially hard imo

[pale minnow]

Maybe condemn will scale to something better

6 sec is ok but yeah u right

Give execute ms and op again 10%

We want now 50k execute slaps

And also spl reflect to be like in bfa up for 3 sec reflecting everything

And OH OH!! overwatch

I wanna slap some druid's thorns with my sr up until they eat their own shit

[steel lantern]

what cov are people predicting will be meta for 9.2

[sharp meteor]

default loadout probably kyrian with enduring

[floral ingot]

It doesn’t disable totems

And you need to see totem nameplates

[raw summit]

Ill try it out then

[floral ingot]

Turned it on for pve purposes

Went into the arena an hour later

Forgot to disable it

First game- demo lock

Literally leapt behind the pillar to open settings cause I cba

This spam nameplate shit is too obnoxious

[floral ingot]

Tertiary stats don’t work in PvP

So your piece doesn’t have any leech

[sand shadow]

(unless it's from abilities/enchants/sockets)

[raw summit]

Fuck dh

Fuck their leech

[sage raptor]

I haven't met anybody else who thinks they should be in the game besides other DHs

[lapis timber]

Is there a weakaura or anything that shows a "channel bar" with ticks for when mortal strike will cast with unhinged?

[dusky locust]

is there a pre season next week or does the season start right away

[lucid walrus]

season opens w/ mythic release typically

so approx 2-3 weeks after

[warped warren]

not really

extending banner is pretty gud

might not be as good as other cov leggos tho

[elder wigeon]

def not as good

the only time necro may be better than kyrian is to buff something else

otherwise especially next patch with double lego, kyrian will be the best

I'm not even sure what they could do to glory to make it worth a damn

banner is already pretty busted as is

maybe increase rage generated to 8 every second and leave everything else alone

[sand shadow]

there are so many more reasons to run necro than just buffing people

my bet is that necro will remain very popular

we'll see soon enough

[exotic gyro]

is badge better on necro?

[elder wigeon]

i don't necessarily agree or disagree, i like insignia better as everything

[knotty tangle]

I like shackle on everything

Shackle goes BOOM

Feels like a check mate button, and feels good to use when disarmed or dh blur rogue evasion

[white wraith]

So what r we playin next ssn? Still ret+warr for sure. Maybe kfc? Other options?

[elder wigeon]

warriors are insane still, play with anything

ret war, WPS, WLS/D, turbo, TSG, dh war, kitty cleave, boomie war, etc

[lean island]

Do you think blizz ll do something against the bear tank monopoly in rbgs? I really want have fun with triple leap legendary but nobody take me lol

[elder wigeon]

nah prot war tanking in bgs is prob dead until next expac for sure

probably dead for all of next expac too if we're being realistic, blizzard just isn't a fan of prot war in pvp right now

[lean island]

We have few prot up to 2k mmr..but every other tank except bear ll be not considered by community

[elder wigeon]

i don't really do BG's but I understand why they're not good and why guardian is so disgusting

[finite fox]

Do we try and run 2p next tier ?

[lucid walrus]

don't think there's a "try"

[finite fox]

Ok lol.. do we run 2p next tier

[lean island]

yea XD

[plain wing]

Is spear harder to play? Like should I always use it during cd’s and opener, or open with stun and use it as a prevention of running / to peal etc

[raw summit]

u gotta hit it

thats the difficult part lol

[cedar silo]

Spear is versatily, so the answer isnt always for damage or "keepign them put"

you can peel double melee off your healer for example

you can get creative with it, but you can blow up people as kyrian, just as much as necro

[gritty bough]

Is there any chance fury will be viable 9.2 or its really only arms? havent played arms in ages, and keybinds are killing me

[wet scarab]

so I got totally and unceremoniously destroyed and dispatched last night in a game against a full crit necro warrior, and now I really want to try it

seems all the top EU players who are necro are playing it

[raw summit]

doesnt really gain anything from 9.2

tier relies heavily on uptime

[gritty bough]

Thanks. Was hoping it was somewhat competitive :/

[knotty tangle]

Its not gonna gatekeep you from glad if that is what you are afraid of

But statistically it will be harder

[rare kiln]

whats gona be the best covenant plus leggo combo for arms in 9.2 ?>

[raw summit]

prolly kyrian + EB

[craggy socket]

How do I deal with rogues?

[nimble jasper]

wdym

pre bladestorm kidney, banner his team's go

disarm his dance before his stuns go out

[craggy socket]

Good shit just won me a game 🙂

[lucid walrus]

that double necro shit was nasty fam

[wet scarab]

I wasn't necro myself, was playing kyrian

or were you the one who destroyed me

maybe I was playing necro that game, can't quite remember

[lucid walrus]

i played kyr war/dh into ya last night iirc

think you took a game off me in 2s like a week ago lol

[wet scarab]

aha! a pleasure to meet on the battlefield

yeah we were trying a double necro lumberjack comp for fun, it stopped being fun when we stopped memeing with double unhinged

just kept getting destroyed by most ret/warr comps

but you sir outplayed me

[lucid walrus]

barely. that shit’s scary

[sage raptor]

Do I need to be in front of someone to disarm them?

Nvm. Mouse broken.

[languid hawk]

does honor reset next patch, or is it just conquest?

or can i stockpile 15k

[sage raptor]

I believe honor stays and conquest resets. Pretty sure that's how it was last time.

[languid hawk]

thanks

[craggy socket]

What ilvl gear is the new conquest unrated?

[raw summit]

Since this time it was 2100 - 6 it should be 253 (?)

[sharp meteor]

2400-2500 3s feelin like 2100 they really gotta not do seasons this long mang

[nimble jasper]

doing some alts for mogs

and this season just feels

so inflated

how tf is it ret pally every other game

when im collecting elite mogs

[neon pecan]

Will there be a way to upgrade conduits in 9.2. like in 9.1.5? Or do I have to play PvE for max upgrades?

[sharp meteor]

can't wait to knock out like half a dozen elite sets week one of next season then immediately abandon that alt

[wet scarab]

what's a better trinket if you're trying out a necro crit set? I figured the crit trinket but the strength bonus from emblem is quite nice with the conduit

plus one more survivability button

[sharp meteor]

i think part of the benefit of crit is the scarier goes with modifiers and badge lets u have str when u benefit from it for sure

like get sd proc, conq banner up, warbreaker out, avatar to break a root, cat sends kyrian empower, bloodfury + badge

bonk an idiot for 26k through his wall

[wet scarab]

that's true, good point

[sage raptor]

Get to 2400

[wet scarab]

though it feels like banner goes would benefit more from the flat strength % boost from the conduit no?

but the trinket does let you have scarier goes every minute so

[sharp meteor]

You just hold wb for every other bolt to align with stuff like kyrian empower and your badge

[wet scarab]

gonna try that, thanks!

[glossy island]

A crit necro on us what was his name

[wet scarab]

I sadly forgot to note his name but it was pretty brutal

felt like every mortal strike was a crit

[sharp meteor]

queued into this one dwarf playing kitty at like 2800 and he had 0% haste the absolute legend

just straight crit on every piece

[wet scarab]

heh love it

how high crit can you go

[sharp meteor]

i duel him and he just turns and non-crit ms's me for like 21k

probably like 25ish? maybe a bit higher?

[wet scarab]

yeah that sounds about right

I thought low haste necro would feel pretty bad but it felt fine

[sharp meteor]

i just played full haste with mastery on my necro warr and enduring and it feels nice

[wet scarab]

was nice one shotting healers in MS procs

[sharp meteor]

my sham also been playing more throughput builds and not doomwinds so we queue into stuff that expects spear and burst goes like spriests

and they just get their heads bonked in with dps

also ran enduring into a lot of sp teams on kyrian warr then just used spear to bait fade

[wet scarab]

yeah I feel like most spriest warr 3s don't coordinate well enough for it to be totally awful but I was practicing in 2s and queued into kyrian warr spriest and got totally pinned down

yeah priests fade spear as a reflex now lol

I pretty much exclusively run enduring against them now as kyrian

[sharp meteor]

i feel like wps is super auto pilot especially for the warr lel

[nimble jasper]

spriest feels like they have such a huge impact in most comps they play

besides splay

lmao

[sharp meteor]

queuing into splay is weird it's like a 2v3 while the lock pumps 6k dps and begs his priest not to int

[sage raptor]

I just seen a DH in an arena. How do I submit a bug?

[nimble jasper]

dh players

“its all pad damage”

still almost 2x next guy

subtracting fodder

[sharp meteor]

killing a dh with all my cds up because his team has no defensives and he whispers about how bullshit arms is

also queued into this ww/fdk the other day that seemed actually lost when they didn't kill us in the opener

just randomly disarms/rings air and shit

[nimble jasper]

i was surprised i didnt get a whisper

from the dh i globaled through trinket blur dark

[sage raptor]

DH=no opinion

Then again, I play arms.

[craggy socket]

How do I beat warlocks?

[undone pumice]

so basically

you hit them

[sharp meteor]

i hit their spriest lmao

[craggy socket]

Is it really that inflated? So 1800 is really like 1500?

Im playing 2s

[sharp meteor]

yes

[craggy socket]

stuck at 1800 on my like 4th day

[undone pumice]

thank you for coming to my ted talk

[sharp meteor]

i walked at a disc the other day and he ps'd his hunter

so i conq bannered and killed the priest

and it was a 2300 mmr game

the hunter also sacced himself

[craggy socket]

How tf can't i get past 1800 then lol

in 2s

[flat isle]

I managed to get 1800 on my 220 alt resto shaman after playing resto for the first time in my life

Its inflated as fuck

[craggy socket]

how long have you guys been playing? I managed to get 2100 on my ret paladin for the first time ever

[raw summit]

Gear?

[sharp meteor]

yeah i just threw my geodude at somebody and did dps

[undone pumice]

resto shaman

is also resto shamn tho

[flat isle]

True. But I had 30k health.

[sharp meteor]

oh forever but only started 3s in like end of bfa

[flat isle]

Had my boy Dwayne though

[undone pumice]

dwayne carries rsham so hard

[sharp meteor]

never really had a third that was game and played a compatible spec

[flat isle]

Dwayne is the GOAT.

[raw summit]

New name

🫖

[undone pumice]

i dont have a third thats compatible either

warr rogue is weirdest champ

[sharp meteor]

like finding similar skill level and spec that works and being on a reasonable schedule is actually kind of tricky lmao then there's the social aspect of whether or not you even get along

[raw summit]

I got a healer and that's it

Ill probably try find myself a DK or a ret

[sharp meteor]

i always had healers it's just pugging a third was like "ew i dont wanna voice with random dps"

[undone pumice]

i just lfgd some random rsham

and nownwe play 2s together

[sharp meteor]

healers were always like "there's a reason they're in lfg" and wouldn't voice with people

[craggy socket]

I got 1870 my 3rd day as a warrior and my max on my mage after 3 seasons was 2082

[flat isle]

I have 1 buddy who I play with who plays all the healers

[craggy socket]

I think I might be better fit for warrior

[flat isle]

I now have 3 warriors. 2 alliance and 1 horde

[craggy socket]

Im still in bad gear too lol

[flat isle]

The horde alt can find groups so much easier

Its insane

[undone pumice]

how much hp do u have ryon

[flat isle]

Or what your PvP ilevel is

[fierce elm]

Why does the wall eat my spear