pvp

[nimble jasper]

kinda regret not getting that set

[elder wigeon]

5.0.1 second wind was actually insanely busted lol

[sharp meteor]

i regret not getting the first season set

yeah mop second wind is the one everybody remembers

reckful clip etc

[mortal elm]

I was playing arms warr in mop

i didnt even know spells etc

[nimble jasper]

didnt really care about pvp till late legion

[mortal elm]

heroic strike

still could kill people

[undone pumice]

seems like mop was the best expansion then hmmm

[nimble jasper]

only got s4 elite on rogue

[mortal elm]

XD

[sharp meteor]

yeah i only started collecting elite sets in wod and started 3s in late bfa

[nimble jasper]

[elder wigeon]

it was pretty nerfed in 5.3

[mortal elm]

[sharp meteor]

because always had a second but never wanted to find a third

[nimble jasper]

dont you have red enchant

🤔

[mortal elm]

wait a min

2100 had a enchant right?

[sharp meteor]

yeah but that was standing in one spot as aff

[elder wigeon]

then wod happened, disgusting expac

[mortal elm]

it was saying elite weapon encahnt

[sharp meteor]

wod arms felt

[undone pumice]

lmao

[sharp meteor]

like mortal strike

and execute

[undone pumice]

didnt wod have focus rage

what was that

[elder wigeon]

wod was trash bro

[nimble jasper]

if you only had collected sets in wod

[sharp meteor]

i remember just execute being an actual touch of death button because u stakced mastery

[nimble jasper]

how’d you get glorious tyranny

[floral ingot]

S1 wod gladiator stance war was cringe

[sharp meteor]

yeah wod was shambles for a lot of specs

[nimble jasper]

or is that another illusion

[undone pumice]

wod still had stances

sheesh

[elder wigeon]

you got glorious tyranny as an illusion for having the bloody dancing steel enchant

[lucid walrus]

unchained fury

[sharp meteor]

i played fls in wod s3 for red glow

[lucid walrus]

it looks like shit

[sharp meteor]

had a kitty on crack that ate everybody

[nimble jasper]

yeah you needed

wod/mop duelist

for tyranny

didnt you

[lucid walrus]

p sure

[sharp meteor]

it was uhh 2200 mop

2400 wod

[lucid walrus]

it came back later yeah

[sharp meteor]

and i kept it in bags as it converted to illusion

also a reminder to buy elite weapons this season friends

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah they added to vendor

if you got duelist achieve

[lucid walrus]

yeah i've been working on recolors

[nimble jasper]

psure

i got a friend whos really annoyed

[lucid walrus]

got one of the daggers, fist weapon and shields so far iirc

[nimble jasper]

cuz he got duelist in s12/13

then quit until legion

so no red for him

lmao

[sharp meteor]

yeah lo to fpeople got fucked out of red glow LMAO

oh well they gutted it and it sucks now

green glow king

[floral ingot]

Bought everything but staffs and the bow/rifle

[lucid walrus]

got a buddy who literally had the enchant on his weapon and opened several tickets over the years only to be denied each time

[sharp meteor]

yep

[floral ingot]

So tired, cba farming more honor

[nimble jasper]

it works but on very few weps

people who mog pigsticker

just for illusion

[elder wigeon]

I got glorious tyranny after 8 years of not playing

[lucid walrus]

always liked high warlord axe tbh

[elder wigeon]

had my bloody dancing steel enchant on my s15 sword and bought it from the vendor

[lucid walrus]

shame the set's so hard to mix

[sharp meteor]

bruh they went back and removed it from the wolfslayer sniper rifle

it was like the one gun that worked with illusions

[nimble jasper]

tyranny is the best illusion for this mog tho

[sharp meteor]

at least pig sticker still lookin lit

yeah i got that

[nimble jasper]

havent found one that works quite as well

nightmare looks ok

on some weps

[nimble jasper]

not a fan of the wep

[sharp meteor]

legion sets were great

lov the giant daggers

[nimble jasper]

but yeah i mean the illusion still good just doesnt drown your wep

[sharp meteor]

everybody has to see the lightsaber illusion

[nimble jasper]

idk why they thought it was too much

yet winters grasp

still exists

[lucid walrus]

coomer illusion

[sharp meteor]

because og dancing steel legit lagged out toasters lel

like i noticed when i ran at somebody when they were lagging out

because swirly particles and whatnot

[nimble jasper]

i had a toaster

till sept

10 fps in sod

[lucid walrus]

demo lock should be classed as a war crime against broke boys

[nimble jasper]

back in mop

i had my graphics on the lowest

so i didnt know what tyranny looked like

xd

[nimble jasper]

also idk why but the texture on those boots looks so diff on certain races

they’re alot thinner on belves

[sharp meteor]

not too crazy about the cosmic illusion next patch but maybe it'll be okay on some weps

[nimble jasper]

unchained fury

so shit

[lucid walrus]

i look forward to it for classes that have brighter sets

read: not necessarily warrior

[nimble jasper]

wdym just wear pally t3

[elder wigeon]

I'm getting starlink in a few days, so It'd be cool if I could manage r1 in this season, I'd rename my warrior to starlunk for sure

when i say this season, i mean next

[lucid walrus]

right

cosmic glad is such a sick title

[elder wigeon]

cosmic gladiator starlunk

[nimble jasper]

no one renamed to django

this seas

[lucid walrus]

unfortunate

[elder wigeon]

cmon now

[undone pumice]

can i buy useful stuff with marks of hoenor?

[lucid walrus]

drip

[undone pumice]

like can i turn them into real honor

my drip is already bis bro

[lucid walrus]

there's no conversion from marks to honor

just honor to marks

[undone pumice]

wtf

i can buy healing potions

third wind potion

50% hp heal

xdd

[lucid walrus]

the saltwater ones are funny for bg grinds i'm sure

[undone pumice]

im grinding honor rn yea

[nimble jasper]

buying drip

for alts

[undone pumice]

i dont play alts

too hard

to play anything except woyer

i stick to easy class

[nimble jasper]

play dh then

[undone pumice]

just bought a few saltwater and third wind potions

[lucid walrus]

seems like most war players run to ele or sp if they want a caster dps alt

[undone pumice]

from deepwind guys

i dont play casters

[lucid walrus]

not a hard and fast rule but i've noticed it a bit

[floral ingot]

I feel like I’m being watched

Just finished leveling my sp

[lucid walrus]

i speak from experience on the ele point

[undone pumice]

only class id play would be maybe brewmaster or frost

[lucid walrus]

showered mine in boxes last night

[undone pumice]

or enh maybe

[lucid walrus]

enh would be fun if you didn't have 1.5 comps

and that's it

[undone pumice]

yuh

just turbo and anything else is troll right

like rogue warrior levels of troll

[lucid walrus]

beastcleave is a meme comp. endangered species

[wet scarab]

It’s not hpal, these are prot paladin MM hunter teams cheesing BoS

[floral ingot]

You’re kinda setting the bar too high

Unless it’s turbo + 0,5 more turbo

[lucid walrus]

more or less

[floral ingot]

🧢

[lucid walrus]

really funny reading earthshrine pins and ele has like 10 comps listed

enh basically just goes "turbo is a very strong comp for enhancement shaman in world of warcraft"

[undone pumice]

they right doe

turboe good

[floral ingot]

I’d play rogue, but it feels troll not to play rmp

And rmp is the best rogue comp every season

[lucid walrus]

RPS ain't bad. just doesn't have the consistent favoritism rmp does

[nimble jasper]

you also get to just

die to meleecleaves

that dont int

[sharp meteor]

seems like it's turbo or MAYBE ww/enh

queued into saul and it's rly annoying

[nimble jasper]

eu plays sub enh

which is

[sharp meteor]

double disarm double ring

[nimble jasper]

odd

to say the least

[sharp meteor]

hm i don't quite understand that one

[lucid walrus]

EU plays a lot of weird ones

[sharp meteor]

but sub is weird and can work with anything

[nimble jasper]

but yeah rps isn bad just

rmp is the best by far

[undone pumice]

sub is cringe

i hate it

[floral ingot]

True, but my SPs dislike to press combust

I report them every time, but it doesn’t seem to have any effect on them

[lucid walrus]

can't imagine that does much beyond create situations for the enh to go wild or bait trinkets for a kill in duel

sub/enh that is

[sharp meteor]

idk i feel like at a certain point it's just what u queue into

only so many people queuing at once

queued into the same two rps last night back to back

[undone pumice]

shadowy duel is literally

[lucid walrus]

really funny how it's just a rock paper scissors meta north of 3k

[undone pumice]

the most cringe thing ive ever seen

[sharp meteor]

also we queued into the same rmp back to back

ded ladder

both rps stopped queuing until we went to bed

we all have each other added

[undone pumice]

ded game

[sharp meteor]

people who gonna get titles are higher

people who got their glad are done and chillin

3k is just like purgatory

[undone pumice]

wow is purgatory

[elder wigeon]

3k is indeed purgatory

[nimble jasper]

hardest part about rmp

is just finding a mage in the rat leagues

that knows how to press db sheep

[elder wigeon]

far from gladiator and far from r1

[nimble jasper]

swear to god sub 2k mages just freeze up

and dont know how to cast sheep

vs rsham meleecleaves

[sharp meteor]

having a nice night, queue into enu

then another kitty

then retwarr

then another retwarr

then 3600 eu rmp

[nimble jasper]

also unlike the other rogue comps

you cant just turn around

and 100-0 someone who trinkets

like rmp can

[sharp meteor]

so my shaman gets cheaped and mage busts, so he trinkets

mage already pre'd a sheep on him

they step cheap my mw and kill her in 1.2 seconds

[nimble jasper]

yeah

“kidney bomb double maledict”

ez dub

[undone pumice]

so rmp just hard counters retwarr and kitty?

[nimble jasper]

no

[sharp meteor]

i think rmp eats retwarr

not sure about kitty

kitty eats mw

[nimble jasper]

feral does well into rmp

in general

[lucid walrus]

kitty is probably fine into em

[sharp meteor]

turb feels fine/good into rmp

[nimble jasper]

jungle just fucks rmp

tho

[sharp meteor]

also the difference between rando rmp and the high r1 rmp is like holy fk

[nimble jasper]

prob why theres a guild on eu thats legit called

imagine losing as jungle

[sharp meteor]

it is quite a good comp

i hope my sham tries feral next season

kitty and jung would be fun

[nimble jasper]

whaazz calling

3.3 rmps on eu dog

is funny

[lucid walrus]

whaazz and co are like 3.7 rn yeah?

[elder wigeon]

kitty does well into RMP

[nimble jasper]

3650

or so

[elder wigeon]

still very losable though

[lucid walrus]

christ

[nimble jasper]

yeah

na rmps are just worse

[lucid walrus]

NA peak isn't even 3500

insane to me

[nimble jasper]

eu started the deeper stratagem 7s kidney meta

last season

na didnt catch on till this one

iirc

[lucid walrus]

wonder why they're so much more inventive with stuff

[elder wigeon]

https://youtu.be/3UCgwya1ma0 kitty game into RMP lol

[nimble jasper]

dunno

also multiple ww mage hpriest on eu

[lucid walrus]

jesus

[sharp meteor]

like every CD on the planet

tut tut

[nimble jasper]

the most obvious difference imo is jungle

eu jungle is just

leagues ahead

of na jungles

[lucid walrus]

question actually

[nimble jasper]

whaazz’s team actually played ladder tho

[lucid walrus]

what do rmps cover feral with into kitty during goes? it'd be rare to sheep him out of form so i can't imagine that's always on the table

[nimble jasper]

c9 barely does on na

chastise fear

[lucid walrus]

ahh yeah

priest's job

[nimble jasper]

or double db ring

into meleecleaves

[lucid walrus]

makes sense

[nimble jasper]

other option is going feral out of form with mindgames

[undone pumice]

what is the bis forgelite page

crash, safeguard, stalwart, mortal combo, piercing verdict and inspiring are my current conduits

[undone pumice]

ty

[nimble jasper]

inspiring kind of meh

[undone pumice]

helps for peel

[nimble jasper]

idk what weird pathing you had to get 2 finesse

[undone pumice]

retroactive retrofitting

[nimble jasper]

is that the shield thing

on second to last row

[undone pumice]

6% max hp on last row

[sharp meteor]

i was considering that for rmp with like big rally

but eh

[undone pumice]

big rally

• the pvp talent u can have like

60% hp

rally

H U M U N G O U S rally

[sharp meteor]

thinkin about last season when master and commander made rally a 1 minute cd

and battlemaster gave like 30% more health

[undone pumice]

balanced

[nimble jasper]

s1 giant meme

ooz coating 15%

[wicked bison]

why does necrolord arms use haste vs crit

[undone pumice]

cuz kyrian lego gives boost to crit

crit do more dmg

when ur in spear

[nimble jasper]

you can play crit with necro

and just ding someone with good rng

during cds

[undone pumice]

why is bg queue 13 minutes

wtf

[nimble jasper]

cuz who tf does bgs

[undone pumice]

ppl who want free honor

[lucid walrus]

you'll just want haste as fury anyways

[nimble jasper]

all those copers (addicts) busy playing lost ark

rn

[undone pumice]

bruh

next wow killer that dies in 3 months?

[nimble jasper]

3 months is generous

i give it 1

[undone pumice]

idk

[lucid walrus]

characters already getting deleted from a server bug lol

[undone pumice]

maybe this is the one xddddd

[nimble jasper]

korean devs

[undone pumice]

damn

for sure not lasting more than a month or 2

[nimble jasper]

more focused on putting their female chars

in heels

tbh

[undone pumice]

im gonna

vomit on the floor violently

when this timer hits 20 minutes

im already qing as alliance so im a dirty dwarf

[lucid walrus]

spotting mercs is always fun bc of the mismatched mogs

[undone pumice]

my fucking

dwarf beard clips through my entire chestplate

[near delta]

How do yall handle necro DH/X in 2s? Been having a hell of a time.

I've been trying to fear them off on meta. Interrupt eye beam and disarm eye beam goes but they still do a shitload of damage.

[full quiver]

Try to get blur then fish fish for execute proc and try and one tap them with warbringer, execute, sharpen, execute

[near delta]

Ah that's a good idea

Might as well save banner and avatar first go too lol

[elder wigeon]

I don't hit DH if he's on my healer, their single target is too much for a healer to handle, giving the DH cleave is an auto loss

if they're playing with an rdruid I only swap off the druid if I can't chase and I have to force the dh off my healer

but it's very hard

[near delta]

Yeah been trying to just focus his healer but then he burns all my healers defensives.

Probably would help if I wasnt playing with hpal lol

[near delta]

I've had the most luck doing that

My gear is super shitty too so that'll prob help

[elder wigeon]

disarm is really good into DH, but if they're playing glimpse they can get out of it

DH's also don't have a slow, if you slow the dh and your healer kites, the dh is forced to go you

[near delta]

That's some cheese jesus

[frank knoll]

Ya I always play glimpse into warr

[elder wigeon]

they can afford it in 2's, but not in 3's really

[near delta]

Other than like rmp

[sharp meteor]

yeah piercing just guts dh if their backflip on cd

uh their dmg is based around eye beam, sort of like arms with warbreaker

[frank knoll]

Pre glimpse the charge 🙂

[sharp meteor]

you want to ideally kick eye beam, disarm/stun the mini meta (demonic) then their damage falls off heavily

[near delta]

Yeah I've played enough DH to know the script

It's so annoyingly fun

[frank knoll]

Honestly just hamstring the DH and he’s fucked

[sharp meteor]

stagger cds/peels on meta to mitigate their raw dam for the first minute or so

[lucid walrus]

just becomes a catchup game after first meta yeah?

"first" ideally meaning there isn't a second one

[near delta]

That's the biggest thing I've noticed trying DH not having a slow feels horrible

Aight I'll try all that out. Thanks guys!

[elder wigeon]

you can howl their eye beam and walk away from them

kick it and disarm it too, if they're glimpse then they can get out of it, but when they land you can stun them

[near delta]

Then more gear cause combatant shit at 2150 MMR is troll

Tryna get my alt warr duelist rq

Meta is so much more toxic then when I pushed the first one

[elder wigeon]

I'm going to thoroughly enjoy warrior in 9.2

[near delta]

I'm so fucking hyped for elysian/leaper against casters

It'll probably be bad

But I dont care

[elder wigeon]

disarm classes will have to finally grow a brain and use it when it actually matters and not just on my warbreaker

i think leaper in 9.2 is troll still

doesn't make it cooldown faster, you'll run out of steam, then you won't have a legendary anymore

[frank knoll]

Im maining DH/ele shaman in 9.2 boys

[near delta]

Yeah but like if they're kiting you so much cant get a whole lotta value out of enduring

Spell reflect is prob better tho

[elder wigeon]

eh MSR kinda sucks

[sharp meteor]

I can't really think of where I'd want to play leaper.

[elder wigeon]

same

[sharp meteor]

Spell reflect hard to get value off of.

[elder wigeon]

leaper if you're trying to chase a MW I guess

[sharp meteor]

Especially in 3s with another person you need to avoid being closer to

[near delta]

That's a good point

[sharp meteor]

like my mw generally wants to play super far back

[elder wigeon]

if I was gonna go all out for leaper I'm gonna play bounding stride

[undone pumice]

is dh the only class without a slow legit

[sharp meteor]

fire lel

[elder wigeon]

it has a slow but you have to talent out of your stun

[sharp meteor]

dh can also spec into one but loses eruption which is basically budget kidney

ye

[elder wigeon]

it's a stormbolt

[lucid walrus]

mw gets shit on by spear

[elder wigeon]

not a budget kidney

[sharp meteor]

actually yeah that's a better way of thinking about it

fast bolt with a resource cost

[near delta]

Ranged cheapshot

[sharp meteor]

aligns with eye beam

[elder wigeon]

yeah, it's hitscan stormbolt

i wish stormbolt cost 10 rage but was hitscan

would let me outplay druids

and priests

[undone pumice]

u cant outplay druids

they just have everything

[sharp meteor]

throw bolt at healer more than 10 yards away and they'll more often than not flesh it even if i don't move in their direction

[elder wigeon]

they can always form a storm bolt from 20 yards

or flesh it

or fade it

[sharp meteor]

yeah

[elder wigeon]

if it's instant, you can't

you have to predict it

[sharp meteor]

have to hope that the dh throws it into your thing

[near delta]

They're gonna get a mortal strike in 9.2 at this rate

[sharp meteor]

whereas warr has travel time for healthy counterplay

feral has one

[elder wigeon]

I don't think it's that healthy considering it's 20 yard range

[lucid walrus]

wtb throwdown

[elder wigeon]

kinda toxic

[sharp meteor]

tiny tiny bolt range

[elder wigeon]

bolt used to have a 30 yard range

[sharp meteor]

leap used to also not have a million year hang time

[elder wigeon]

fucking legion

wod and legion ruined wow, BFA cemented it

[sharp meteor]

wod really was dark days especially after mop

[undone pumice]

me when i jump up the platform in robodrome and laugh at the hunter who wasted all his mobility to go up there

[elder wigeon]

remember what they took from you

[sharp meteor]

pain.png

[elder wigeon]

stormbolt would fuck on some iceform mages rn

500% weapon damage to bolt them

[sharp meteor]

queue into featherfeet and he trinkets a para to fail a frostbolt cast on us as we pillar

aaaaaaaaaa

[undone pumice]

its like shattering throw but epic sex

can we get mop second wind back

[elder wigeon]

if you use something to immune yourself from stuns specifically there should be counterplay

[undone pumice]

tru

bladestoem op bro !!!

nerd now !!!

[sharp meteor]

i imagine it'd be dead pick because on same row as dstance

[elder wigeon]

back in wrath your bladestorm could get disarmed

[undone pumice]

dstance is boring

i want sw

[sharp meteor]

yeah bladestorm was also whirlwinds which did dam

[undone pumice]

i want sw

[elder wigeon]

but bladestorm did ass fuck dmg

[sharp meteor]

now it's just press to dodge cc

which feels underwhelming unless unhinged

[near delta]

wottt

[undone pumice]

i like to wb into bladestoem if i can cleave and i know enemy still has cc to guarantee at least some wb value

[elder wigeon]

remember what they took from you

[sharp meteor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[undone pumice]

S T U N ???

[sharp meteor]

thinking about her (charge stun)

[elder wigeon]

Yes

non DR stun

[undone pumice]

what the fuck

[sharp meteor]

[undone pumice]

is the forgelite stun non dr btw

[elder wigeon]

no

it DRs

affected and causes DR

[undone pumice]

cringe

[sharp meteor]

autostun drs it just doesn't show up on gladius

[elder wigeon]

i use diminish for that reason

[sharp meteor]

so if u fling a bolt into somebody and it doesn't do anyhting then u know why

yeah

dimish also rly good for like rm

[undone pumice]

i wanted to do forgelite into bolt into fear

into bandage

[sharp meteor]

they can't know what you're doing if u don't know what ur doing

[undone pumice]

i love bandage cheese

[near delta]

Makes stance managing so much easier

[elder wigeon]

don't forget what they took from you

[undone pumice]

wtf

when was this

i started playing in bfa prepatch pls am noob

[elder wigeon]

MoP and WoD

[jagged folio]

anyone know anything about wa?

[sharp meteor]

AAAAAAAA STOP

I CANT TAKE IT

[jagged folio]

i have a swing bar rage bar for both specs but on arms its showing both

[sharp meteor]

DONT POST BANNERS

[jagged folio]

is there a way to make it spec based?

[sharp meteor]

MY HEART CANMT

thinkin about reduced disarms

[near delta]

Just pick spec on the load menu

[jagged folio]

ty

[near delta]

Np!

[elder wigeon]

@sharp meteor

[near delta]

Wtf

[lucid walrus]

weapon chain

[near delta]

You could intervene to it

[sharp meteor]

AAAAAAAAAA

[elder wigeon]

Yes you could intervene your banners in mop

[lucid walrus]

taste for blood

[near delta]

What the fuck even was warrior back then

[elder wigeon]

and intervene would remove all snares and roots

[sharp meteor]

I MISS MOP AAAA

better days

[elder wigeon]

warrior was fun, that's what it was

[near delta]

😭

[undone pumice]

wtf

WHAT

are there any mop private servers that arent dead?

[elder wigeon]

in mop you could 1v1 frost mages and actually beat them in a duel

[lucid walrus]

did they take down the heroic strike website??

[undone pumice]

i gotta try mop peovate server or smth

seems lit

wasnt everyone op not just woyer

[lucid walrus]

some classes blew then. i don't recall specifics

[sharp meteor]

mop was when they realized that they had to stop adding buttons because it wasn't sustainable to give everybody a talent row and 2-3 abilities per expansion forever

[lucid walrus]

hunter stampede lmao

[undone pumice]

but then they started removing buttons like little cringelords

[sharp meteor]

yeah but not even the right ones like why does fire have ring of frost

[undone pumice]

i barely fill up 4 action bars now

with trinkets, macros, consums and moujt in them

anyone else use yee yee ass keybinds like alt shift F1

[lucid walrus]

no sir

i swapped my targeting from f1/f2/f3 to shift-123

feels way better

[undone pumice]

i just use tab

[lucid walrus]

you have fun with demo locks?

[undone pumice]

dont target pets unless i click on them

epic threat plates moment

unfortunately this also means the wildseed doesnt have a nameplate and neither do totems

[elder wigeon]

you don't have to remove half of all buttons and make every class a pile of shit tho like wod

[lucid walrus]

4 buttons at launch

: )

[elder wigeon]

[undone pumice]

does warrior rotatioj even use more than 5 buttons

[elder wigeon]

in mop? was a little bit more complicated but not really

was more fun though

mortal strike and colossus smash generated rage

[undone pumice]

over power for stacks, ms on cooldown, execute when u can, overpower on tactician, slam/IP when ragecapping

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I remember logging into wod and just having half my buttons fucking gone on what felt like every spec.

[elder wigeon]

on pre patch I unsubbed and never played wow again until bfa and warrior was still a pile of shit

[sharp meteor]

then servers were dead for like 3-4 days

bfa warr was not fun

[elder wigeon]

so i quit until SLands because friends wanted me to play again, friends i made in mop

[undone pumice]

bfa woyer was cringe

shouldve just rerolled dh in bfa

it was the best melee class

by FAR

[elder wigeon]

I don't ever think about my rotation right now

[undone pumice]

same

i just press the flashy buttons

[elder wigeon]

i don't even think about it that way

it's autonomous for me

[sharp meteor]

hit buttons enough and it just

kind of goes

[undone pumice]

u just play by feel yeah i know

sometimes u just kinda

get unlucky tho

[sharp meteor]

and you're looking for stuff to better position for, to hit, to peel, whatever

[undone pumice]

and get 0 tactician procs for like a whole minute

[sharp meteor]

need to do enough pve dam where u don't think about it

[elder wigeon]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Removed_warrior_abilities

[sharp meteor]

i can't say i have had that

[elder wigeon]

if you wanna have a good cry

[undone pumice]

i had it like

[sharp meteor]

i dun wanna

[undone pumice]

once or twice

[sharp meteor]

just go pve a dummy until things feel more fluid

most of pvp is just doing pve damage to somebody

[undone pumice]

and i just died because no overpowers = no more dmg = liteeally 0 dmg = i have no IP = i die

[undone pumice]

wtf

you look at your healer hard and they take less emg

wtf

[lucid walrus]

i mean yeah

[sharp meteor]

-glares at u-

[lucid walrus]

you just kinda grunt and take 50% less damage

[elder wigeon]

and you can spam taunt pets

don't forget, arms warrior had shield wall in mop

[sharp meteor]

i remember being like wow shield block i wonder if we'll use this

[undone pumice]

you also just kinda

scream and that somehow cripples everyone and puts a pebble in their shoes or smth

[elder wigeon]

[sharp meteor]

heck

also i miss bfa reflect

[lucid walrus]

i miss even bfa

yeah

[sharp meteor]

having my one charge fire blasted off feels bad

[undone pumice]

what was bfa reflect

[elder wigeon]

Slands reflect sucks dick

[sharp meteor]

even just like a 1-2s window

[lucid walrus]

what nether ward is now

read: full reflection for 3sec

albeit on half the cd

[sharp meteor]

random-ass thorns hit eats the reflect

[undone pumice]

not just 1 spell?

but it was a peeveepee talent

[sharp meteor]

Three seconds of reflection, but was an honor talent.

So you could get multiple chaos bolts and pyros.

[undone pumice]

bruh

me when i spell reflect the mages entire combustion and he fucking dies

[lucid walrus]

it was less busted and more the bare minimum to survive the destro warlock hellscape

[sharp meteor]

A single charge with so much shit flying around feels SO hard to get value off of.

like it usually delays them by a global at most

just knock it off with a swp or something

[elder wigeon]

I member

[sharp meteor]

i memba buttons being off global

[elder wigeon]

could glyph it too

[sharp meteor]

yum

oh yeah glyphs those were the days

rip

[lucid walrus]

socket bonus

[elder wigeon]

yup glyphs instead of conduits

[sharp meteor]

conduits and soulbinds just felt so half-baked then they tried to soft-lock people into covenants

wish 9.1.5 was launch

[undone pumice]

why wont blizz let us pick racials

[lucid walrus]

free money off race changes

[elder wigeon]

because money

[undone pumice]

theyre already letting us go cross faction soon

whats the deal

[lucid walrus]

more money off race changes bc people can just play whatever they want and swap to minmax

[elder wigeon]

I think it's fine

not even trying to simp blizzard

[undone pumice]

like why not just remove them all together its not like theyre an important part of the game

[amber heron]

do warrios lose to DH in 2v2?

bc seems like dh just has better damage then me

no matter wtf i run

[elder wigeon]

it's hard

[sharp meteor]

you have to be careful, you can't often trade healers, but you can't train dh

[amber heron]

DH sham ? War sham

[sharp meteor]

it's kind of this dance to reduce the dhs damage

[elder wigeon]

slow them a lot, don't stack, kicking eyebeam helps, stunning after is good, disarm works well against their meta damage

[sharp meteor]

but also get damage out

[sharp meteor]

basically its like peel their damage (eye beam, demonic, meta)

also i miss the old ms animation

[amber heron]

dude

[sharp meteor]

current twirly feels dumb

[amber heron]

when u interupt eye beam

[undone pumice]

whar is the old ms anim

[amber heron]

u stop like 3k damage

its so pointless

[sharp meteor]

lol

u stop eye beam damage and furious gaze haste

[undone pumice]

u stop 3k damage and precent them from playinf the game for a few seconds

[sharp meteor]

then stunt heir demonic which prevents second death sweep leech mortal strike uptime etc

[lucid walrus]

beam damage itself isn't that important

[elder wigeon]

no it's close to 10k damage, and if they finish the cast of eyebeam they get 15-20% increased haste for 6 seconds

it's a really big deal to kick it

[sharp meteor]

u play around minimizing their eye beam windows

equivelent of disarming wb on cd

[lucid walrus]

doesn't mean you shouldn't stop it

[amber heron]

i think dh is just better in 2v2

[undone pumice]

ok if u think that, kick eyebeam anyway

[amber heron]

he can even get out of my disarm by leaping away

[elder wigeon]

I think warrior is objectively better, but that matchup is specifically hard

[sharp meteor]

u have harder time in matchup because u need to shut down dhs damage without stacking while dh just trains one target

[amber heron]

he does some weird shit where he leaps back

[elder wigeon]

glimpse

[amber heron]

and he just gets out of the disarm

[sharp meteor]

glimpse

[amber heron]

WTF?

HOW DO I GET OUT OF DISARM

i have to trinket

[sharp meteor]

u don't

[lucid walrus]

trinket

[sharp meteor]

u cry about no weapon chain

[elder wigeon]

they don't have a disarm unless playing with a monk

[undone pumice]

rogue

hab disarm

[elder wigeon]

dh rogue kek

[amber heron]

dude if u look at details after the game

[sharp meteor]

dh doesnt play with rogue

[amber heron]

dh has like 1.3 milliion damage

and im sitting there with 600k

[lucid walrus]

it's pad dmg from glaive

[sharp meteor]

its ww mistweaver sometimes warr

[elder wigeon]

you're preaching to the choir man, everybody knows dh does gamebreaking damage

[undone pumice]

if dh has 1.3m u should have like 1.6m

[amber heron]

PAD DAMAGE

[lucid walrus]

subtract pretty much all throw glaive damage and you're looking at way less of a gap

[amber heron]

tell that to my healer at 1%

[lucid walrus]

yes

[amber heron]

alll game

[lucid walrus]

it does not hit you that hard

[sharp meteor]

glaive throw is pad but dh is hose of dmg and u need to learn how to minize their output

[amber heron]

dude dh hits u like a fucking TRUCK

[elder wigeon]

dh doesn't have a slow, slow the dh, healer is automatically 50% faster at all times

[amber heron]

A DODGE DURANGO

[lucid walrus]

throw glaive itself isn't what's cranking you is my point

[amber heron]

whats cranking u is immolatoin aura

[elder wigeon]

immo aura does more damage when it hits multiple targets

[amber heron]

every time i que into a dh

i feel like i just run around like a litle pussy boi waiting to lose

[undone pumice]

if u can, just slow the dh and go train another target

[amber heron]

also I find that if i can win i am necrolord

[elder wigeon]

maintain 100% hamstring uptime, stun them after eyebeam, duel them when they actually spend a lot of mobility to chase your healer, don't run disarm

[twilit flax]

Warrior has better tools though. U can kite DH

[amber heron]

kyrian sucks into dh

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't, it's better than necrolord

[undone pumice]

?

[elder wigeon]

they can't get out of spear unless they use big meta

or fly up

[undone pumice]

kyriaj prevenrs one of dhs main strengths

[amber heron]

necrolord banner 1 shots the healer

[undone pumice]

which is the big dashes

[elder wigeon]

kek

[amber heron]

kyrian benner does not

[undone pumice]

kyrian doesnt let dh play the game

[lucid walrus]

kyrian banner is my favorite

[twilit flax]

Kite DH arou d pillar they can't do shite

[elder wigeon]

I wish i one shot things every time i popped conq banner

[amber heron]

IMAgine

kyrian banner

[undone pumice]

kyriaj banner

[amber heron]

wouldnt even be broken imo

[undone pumice]

u turn into a magnet

[twilit flax]

Bruce banner

[amber heron]

still would do less dps then the dh

if i had both cov

thats the funny part

i think ima just level a dh and call it a day

[elder wigeon]

trust me when i say this, spend less time thinking about how you have no chance, and think about the things you can do better to increase your chances

having a defeatist mindset will only make more excuses for yourself

[amber heron]

no its more of a

[undone pumice]

no

[amber heron]

join the meta mindset and abuse dh

fuck venruki

[undone pumice]

no

[lucid walrus]

mission failed

[amber heron]

he made that shit popular

[undone pumice]

dh is trash

[amber heron]

XDXDXD

[elder wigeon]

unfortunately you get hard countered by hunters as DH lol

[amber heron]

get a load of this guy

[undone pumice]

just play warrior

[amber heron]

dh is trash XDXDXDXDXDXDXD

[elder wigeon]

dh isn't trash, it's S tier, but warriors are better in 2v2

[undone pumice]

and do not conform to elf propaganda

[lucid walrus]

feel free to claim your 3 months’ supply of soylent after rerolling to dh

[amber heron]

I havent heard such a goood joke in years

i will gladly become a soi boi

[undone pumice]

dh is nerfed by being elves

[amber heron]

link me to the dh discord please

[elder wigeon]

kinda weirdchamp

[amber heron]

i resign from warrior

[elder wigeon]

i quit playing dh because not having a slow is beyond frustrating, and getting rooted hard counters you

[amber heron]

getting rooted as a warrior doesnt feel that good if u dont have bladestorm

[elder wigeon]

you have avatar and bladestorm

[amber heron]

true

[undone pumice]

trinket the root

[amber heron]

I always avatar

[undone pumice]

become ungovernable

[amber heron]

with my cds tho

so its never up

[lucid walrus]

big broblem

[amber heron]

i shoulndt avatar w kyrian spear to do big dam?

[undone pumice]

wabreaker

[amber heron]

BIG DAMN JUDGE

[undone pumice]

is more damage

[amber heron]

any crusader fans?

[elder wigeon]

it does a lot of damage yes, but your warbreaker is where your biggest modifier is

[undone pumice]

and shorter cd

warbreaker is 30%

avatar is 20%

[elder wigeon]

I hate how much damage is baked into warbreaker

[amber heron]

avatar + warbreaker

is 50%

[undone pumice]

donr

dont

no

[elder wigeon]

I wish it was 20% on a 30 second CD

[undone pumice]

save the avatar

for rot

root

[elder wigeon]

i don't always do that either

sometimes you're not allowed to wait

[undone pumice]

yes

but if u have a choice

u want to save

[sharp meteor]

can send with big go but can also try to use to break root prior to said go, or during, or after

off global root break is pretty neato

[elder wigeon]

I just prefer smaller faster CD's for warrior

[amber heron]

i mean

if ur a pussy

u can not stack ur cds

and slowly do big dam

but i just like making a 1 shot macro

AND FULL SENDING IT ON THE HEALER

[undone pumice]

its a paladin
they bubble

[nimble jasper]

wait

why are you complaining about roots

as if dh fixes that

[sharp meteor]

i enjoy warrior being durable with support/utility and high sustained damage, not nesscearily 30-40k swings

[nimble jasper]

"but the 40k necro executes"

on someone who uses no cds

[undone pumice]

warrior is special in that wau

[sharp meteor]

they are funny but i think having warbreaker avatar conq banner kyrian empower then hitting somebodyf or 50k with a charge execute is kind of goofy

even if it is funny

[elder wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaiZLg1mCqI haha

[undone pumice]

he does way less burst than most classes but he does way mkre damage if hes just hitting people

why do view ur camera from like

a 0° angle

[elder wigeon]

top down gives me a better view

[sharp meteor]

yeah need to see what's going on

unless ur a fire mage

[undone pumice]

idk

i only have 4 people on my screen

3s give me turbo cancer i dint have the attention span for 3 minutes of INTENSE pvp gameplay

i go in i attack enemy dies or they dont

[sharp meteor]

11 minute game vs retwarr and the ret kills my partner from 85% with a vanq hammer 🥲

[undone pumice]

somtimes i feel like my class is useles swhen a monk or ret just trains someone and out dpses me and outburst me

[sharp meteor]

duel them owo

[undone pumice]

other time i hit people for 30k executes and they die instantly

i refuse to use duel

that requires using my brain

i dont jave

i just go disarm vs disarmable targets and banner vs rogues

[sharp meteor]

just send it when air horns start going off

[undone pumice]

that is the extent of my pvp talent adjusting

[undone pumice]

why do u have 20 buttons with same icon

[sharp meteor]

i feel like i play every honor talent with some regularity minus shadow, but i do sometimes play that in bgs

[sharp meteor]

generally to see cds easier

easier to see 4 battlemasters than one on a bar of mounts

[undone pumice]

but u have to see if u have enuff rage to use abiity

[sharp meteor]

that's why it's handy to have a fairly central rage bar

[undone pumice]

how do i do that

i use bartender4 and leatrix+ for my ui atm

[sharp meteor]

idk figure out some ui that u like

mine isn't good but i have used it since wrath so i'm borked

[undone pumice]

how do i get centered rage bar

[sharp meteor]

weakauras is easiest way

[undone pumice]

i only have the one on my playur frame

[sharp meteor]

i mean there's one in default ui too heh

[undone pumice]

hwat

[sharp meteor]

this, i think?

[undone pumice]

illeagle

[elder wigeon]

wdym?

if i have a free spot in my bars, I double up, or you can use a menial spell's tooltip to be that of a more important one

[undone pumice]

like slam?

[sharp meteor]

don't need to see stuff like slam or hamstring

[lucid walrus]

macros also a factor

i.e. focus bolt/kick

[undone pumice]

but they need rage so how do i know

[sharp meteor]

u look at rage bar

[undone pumice]

i dont have eyes

[sharp meteor]

lmao same

[elder wigeon]

my health and rage bar is a weakaura i made

I don't like how the default blizzard one moves around

[undone pumice]

is that one public

[elder wigeon]

No but I can give it to you

[undone pumice]

damn

[elder wigeon]

pretty much all of my weakauras I have are made mostly or entirely myself

[spice hornet]

nerf sub rogue\

[elder wigeon]

what happened lol

[nimble jasper]

prolly died in a venthyr duel meme

[hardy needle]

@spice hornet are you that war named kyrianspear but plays necro xD

[sharp meteor]

kyrian mog named kyrian spear but necro

🧠

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor god i love placements on new chars

hunter i pugged doesnt kick a convoke hes in range of

while not in cc

[floral ingot]

Convoke is overrated

Real men only kick wrath

[knotty tangle]

I only kick entangle roots

[floral ingot]

Just use avatar and kick wrath

Smh

[warped warren]

[keen aurora]

is a build mastery against war/healer good or no ?

(what's important in mirror???)

[lucid walrus]

stats are pretty irrelevant. mastery's generally the worst secondary

[tired portal]

so im on the ptr now, and not sure if its new but the extra 5% dam from the tier set is being added to the enduring blow procs on training dummies, (it isnt adding increased time to the proc though)

[elder wigeon]

that'll probably be fixed, not sure

if not, that's nutty

[twilit flax]

has anyone lost their soul ashe before wtf??

i literally had like 5k

now i have 800

i swear blizz is trolling me

i had almost 1500 cinders too

now i have 170

[elder wigeon]

No, I haven't

[twilit flax]

can you lose it if you die?

thats the only explanation

like the stygia

[elder wigeon]

No

you must've spent it on something

if not, open a ticket, maybe a GM can help

[twilit flax]

i opened a ticket faster than i could blink

maybe i was trippin hard and did the runs on a different toon

idk

[elder wigeon]

likely what happened

[hushed plank]

Does anyone know if Honor will be reset on the 22nd??

[undone pumice]

prolly

[frank knoll]

honestly this is unfun for both sides

[wet scarab]

So does it look like vers will continue to be the main stat for us in pvp in 9.2 or are we going to be mixing and matching from pve gear as well

Given the absence of a vers trinket bonus

It might be nice to have multiple gearing tracks in the early season if so

[undone pumice]

necro vs kyrian for 2s

[knotty tangle]

Both good

Depends on matchup

[undone pumice]

general play

ive been thinking about going necro but phial seems really strong and people literally cant run

spear is pretty epic

[knotty tangle]

Well all hunters and locks and mages dosnt care about spear

[undone pumice]

so is kyrian gonna be better or worse in 9.2

[knotty tangle]

Nobody knows for sure, but prob better than rn, and rn its fucking good

[undone pumice]

so kyrian is bis and versatile

sheesh

[knotty tangle]

Yeah thats not what i said

[zealous heath]

brooooooooooo

finally 1950

this shit so much harder than ww

[tough compass]

gz

[wicked bison]

whats current best honor farm jusr rbg and epics

[knotty tangle]

Ally random bg i believe.. Got like 3.5k per hour

[mortal elm]

Dman

damn

bfa season 1 elite set

is so fucking good

:(

for alliance

[scarlet barn]

Aye

[spice hornet]

yes

helping my buddy get glad on my alt warr

still running into this guy https://check-pvp.fr/us/Sargeras/Trâshcårt

dude literally works for blazingboost

[midnight mirage]

im at 300 games played this season and im 1737

[zealous heath]

doesn't matter bro, I am stuck at that rating now or will drop you are stuck there

[midnight mirage]

I was 1 game away from 1800

but my healer screwed up

on ez game

literally

[zealous heath]

oof

I threw so many games

go vs rogue/mage and forgot to go d stance

tilt off the map vs ret/feral

also my most hated one

lock+spriest

or frost mage + spriest

[midnight mirage]

I lost vs double mage

1 mage was fire 1 was frost

and im ret

I couldnt move

I tried

I use wings

woop they on other side of map

they spellsteal my freedom

shoulda played the thingy that makes freedom increse my move speed and undespellable

[sharp meteor]

Haha, yeah. That does not sound fun.

[twilit flax]

thats not even worth a story

mage has countered war in 1v1 since the dawn of time

[floral ingot]

Mage has countered everyone in 1v1 since the dawn of time

Some classes have their chances depending on tuning

[twilit flax]

im the first one to call fire mage brain dead

[floral ingot]

But overall mage is busted

[twilit flax]

but tahts not true

[nimble jasper]

mage kinda

gets fucked by ferals

and hunters

and dks tbh

[twilit flax]

ferals yes, hunters skill match up (other than this op brain dead version of bm) and dks depends on the patch

dks went from being the old gods

feared by the arms warrior

[nimble jasper]

but thats also because mage is alot stronger tuned

[twilit flax]

to clown at 5 year old bday party

[nimble jasper]

but hunters used to fuck over mages

psure

[twilit flax]

na mage has been s tier every patch forever dude

[floral ingot]

Ye, guess ferals kinda counter mages

[nimble jasper]

spriest kind of

[floral ingot]

Take away poly and they cry, huh

[twilit flax]

fire mage has been top three best dps spec if not the best

for all of Bfa, and SL

and in legion, it was #1

[nimble jasper]

yeah

talking more like

[twilit flax]

except it was arcane mage

[nimble jasper]

pre legion

[twilit flax]

which was even more toxic

[nimble jasper]

when hunter was all instants