Want for tmog
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jaunty furnace
raw summit
ah fair
ideally you arent pugging rbgs, so if you can find a group thats gonna help loads
robust hearth
so close guys 
elder wigeon
💪
sharp meteor
thinkin about a world where it's possible to do rbgs without interacting with rbg players
lucid walrus
solo q rbgs
sharp meteor
that'd be even worse
jaunty furnace
What’s the best way to power level honor ranks?
I want a mount at a certain level
sharp meteor
u focus on another pvp goal because straight grinding honor level will kill u
jaunty furnace
I’ve seen some people at like 700+ honor level
sharp meteor
yeah some rbg players are like 1500
wet scarab
really? with glory?
sharp meteor
glory with enduring/misshapen/unhinged might still be fine if synergy with whatever teammate is strong with banner yaaa
wet scarab
hmm interesting
are there going to be any healers besides hpriests and rdruids?
disc penance looks pretty strong
lucid walrus
think hpals get some pretty wild uptime on wings
just an issue of how quickly they run out of gas
elder wigeon
glory sucks it's barely worth mentioning
I don't believe for a second necrolord will be best in any comp where it's arguably better currently
elysian might + enduring blow is disgusting
sharp meteor
RIP mistweavers too
my mw sounds quite sad about the patch
sharp meteor
elysian might + enduring blow is disgusting
yeah looking forward to it
third glorious season for angel warrior
wet scarab
8 sec spear into unhinged sounds rad too
sharp meteor
hmm possibly
thing with unhinged is that it puts dam in bladestorm which is usually best used to dodge cc
so losing power because u bladestormed something feels kind of not ideal
whereas enduring offers reasonably consistent damage boost via smash procs albeit perhaps at reduced effectiveness vs low uptime targets
lucid walrus
getting rooted in chile against a mage or druid kinda poopoo
sharp meteor
although unhinged in big spear with full crit and vaporizing people with 60s bladestorm might be rly good who knows
lucid walrus
pray somebody walks toward you to catch one (1) unbuffed mortal
sharp meteor
i know ill def be trying it
elder wigeon
I'm not a fan of unhinged so much, it locks away a pvp talent to make it more consistent
topaz ether
i played some 2's without deaths charge on execute and it still felt fine
elder wigeon
you really need to play SoD if you're kyrian with unhinged so it all lines up
topaz ether
still have potential to clap people
and into dampening your damage is big
was beating r druid BM comps pretty easily
"easily" with quotes still annoying
so as long as we scale with gear well im hopeful for the ole warrior still
lucid walrus
scale with gear
elder wigeon
heavy diminishing returns with strength
wet scarab
having run into more and more prot paladins in 3s in recent days, fuck them to hell
how do you actually deal with venthyr prot paladins bubbling in the middle of an ashen hallow
hardy needle
Anyone here play spriest warr rsham
elder wigeon
I don't play it but I know how it's played
hardy needle
@elder wigeon do you know if warr goes necro or kyrian for that comp
elder wigeon
Kyrian always
tired portal
elysian might + enduring blow is disgusting
so war stats in 9.2 for kyrian going to be more haste than crit?
tired portal
so im guessing with the tier set + enduring blow + high haste, kyrian wars will pump a lot of consistent damage
sharp meteor
<@!175350342349881344> do you know if warr goes necro or kyrian for that comp
wps? spear ya
robust hearth
What’s the best way to power level honor ranks?
honestly be pvp geared at lvl 60 and find a friend tht is low lvl maybe around lvl 50 bracket and use the party saync and que into lvl 50-59 brackets and farm ppl
spam bgs
robust hearth
how do you actually deal with venthyr prot paladins bubbling in the middle of an...
venthyr prot pally.. lol i see u havent dealt with Night fae Prot paladin+necro monk+ spriest
raw summit
how do you actually deal with venthyr prot paladins bubbling in the middle of an...
Los em
wait out ashen
Dont get hammered
fickle forge
Or press parry
main copper
Run around a pillar, crack open a beer, get hammered while waiting on Ashen to expire.
elder wigeon
play WPS, does very well into both of them
WPS is prob the best comp in the game right now, for ladder play
elder wigeon
yeah i mean turbo isn't the best but it's not exactly terrible
sharp meteor
healer is either mw or rdruid, and we eat wps so hard with mw
elder wigeon
mw does heal wizard damage well
sharp meteor
spriest dies when rsham is oom and mw has 30-60% mana
then queue into retwarr and suffer for almost 10 minutes
oh and grats on 3k
sharp meteor
orc or human kyrian running enduring imo
dry portal
Ye
sharp meteor
andj u in solid shape
dry portal
Cool
sharp meteor
can experiment with others but imo enduring best most reliable at least unless they nerf (its super good in raids, i think)
high haste and more ranks on mortal combo just make enduring SUPER nice
sharp meteor
i think haste becomes a decent bit more appealing
especially if uhh lethality drops a bit
elder wigeon
unless armor is going up a fair bit I don't see it being less one-shot
if you're playing enduring with mortal combo, haste becomes increasingly strong
mortal combo will be 22% in 9.2 and with enduring blow interacting with the tier set, both the 2 and 4 piece, full complete haste might make warrior damage insane
I'm not sure whether or not the 2 set extends enduring blow to 9 seconds or not, but the 4 set should interact with the legendary's colossus and give a 50% increased chance to proc tactician
plain wing
um
i just did random bg's
like 6 of em
for some reason
and EVERY one
was a blow up and alliance just farming us the whole game
am i missing something here......
like that doesnt seem plausible
EVERY game
was a farm
what is happening
twilit flax
That's how horde BG's work bro
Alliance wins 75% and has 2 min queues
Horde wins 25% and has 6-7 min queues
But gets a much better LFG
It's a trade off
Balance in all things
twilit flax
I forgot about that tbh
plain wing
Alli actually wins most bg’s?
Iike tonight has been absurd….
Not just even losing
But there hasn’t even been a relatively close game
Like all just constant team wipes and graveyard farms
And like me getting 5 v 1 ‘d and then emoted on all fake
Game*
Like what is happening
elder wigeon
do mercenary bgs then, and if things don't change then idk what to tell you
twilit flax
It's because there is such little alliance queuing
Naturally they get more geared people
Just how it works out
Plus horde is just a bunch of 1200s playing subrogue lol
They come in droves
twilit flax
do mercenary bgs then, and if things don't change then idk what to tell you
I wonder if u get the same queue times tho? I'll check later when I get home
elder wigeon
depends on the faction you're playing for
twilit flax
Alliance of course
elder wigeon
qing for alliance is faster yes
twilit flax
Ud be shooting urself in the foot to do it for horde lol
Unless you wanted to test out a new race
twilit flax
qing for alliance is faster yes
Yes but I'm saying does it change for people who are doing the Merc
elder wigeon
if horde is winning all the time, it's a better use of your time no?
twilit flax
Horde doesn't win dude
elder wigeon
and yes it does, you're alliance temporarily
twilit flax
This is known
Mathematically you get much more geared people in ur team playing alliance
Plus u get alot more alts
On horde side
twilit flax
and yes it does, you're alliance temporarily
Alright good
Cause I'm using it from now on if so haha
Tbh the alliance wins so much, that I went full scum mode grinding honor two weeks ago
Just afk'd back to back e erygame
Won like 5-6 in a row
Lost one then won another 5
I cleaned my whole apartment and made lunch in that time 
I was that guy
twilit flax
Just base sit
sharp meteor
i told my healer to go dps then afk epics and that's how he farmed honor on most his chars
like sit by a flag or in a turret yeah
twilit flax
Also for flag maps, If u sit in base u don't get afk
Cuz defense
Yeah epics is better for not getting caught
I do that on horde side
Cuz if u afk in horde BG's they get mad salty and looking for reasons to report ppl
warped warren
mortal elm
is it wise to keep defensive stance always on?
opposite warriors always do it but still deal amazing damage
gloomy beacon
You should only be in d stance if you are getting your face beat in or if you expect to get your face beat in
fickle forge
Think that comes down to poor rotation if you're behind a perma Dstance warr
fickle forge
If you're equals, you should be 25% ahead then
mortal elm
and what are most common pvp talents to take?=
i use warbringer sharpen blade and disarm
remove disarm if they are caster or a monk
mortal elm
and how to counter dhs?
raw summit
kick eyebeam so they dont get demonic to reduce their dam
mortal elm
doing it already
but like
they almost deal %50 dmg from me
and somehow we manage to win but
its too much pressure for healer
undone pumice
so with the dstance/bstance should you go into arena in dstance and then enter bstance once the enemy used their burst?
knotty tangle
@raw summit they still get demonic, but cant cast some abilites, and they lose haste buff
Depends on who they go @undone pumice, but i mostly just start D and go B if there is no pressure
And @mortal elm , when they go you, hit healer so u can cleave, and one tap him when he dosnt have blur
fickle forge
and how to counter dhs?
Hit them harder than they hit you
mortal elm
Hit them harder than they hit you
its not funny anymore you know
mortal elm
yeah i realised that but they deal so much damage
fickle forge
Blur is annoying, but you hit leather pretty hard, so if you just manage your rotation and uptime well, DH will be forced to kite
vale harness
hey, ive been pushing some arena's as a kyrian arms together with a friend who plays resto druid. we are currently at 1950 rating but we cant seem to win from dh's they just deal too much damage. any tips on how to counter them?
thick reef
fickle forge
Hit them harder than they hit you
^
vale harness
oh there is just a discussion about it rofl
seems like im not the only one
i am in d stance all the time. disarm, stun, cyclone while he is in met and shit
but still kills me
fickle forge
If ya'll just maximize your rotations, do setups in your storm bolt windows, then you'll tear em' through
Dstance their meta windows and push for aggression when they're not in it
vale harness
when we go against eachother he usually kills me
fickle forge
He shouldn't be able to, if you have a healer with you on the team
Rdruid should espec be able to outlive sustained dmg
vale harness
i already kick his eye beams and stuff
healer is doing just fine on every other comp
but just not on dh's
fickle forge
Try and get us a game we can watch in #810664169140518947
undone pumice
whats your gear like then
fickle forge
Easier to tell you what to do if we can see your gameplay
vale harness
Try and get us a game we can watch in <#810664169140518947>
02:14:10
u can see a game vs resto dh
just noticed im not in dstance here lol
fickle forge
I'll get ya in #810664169140518947
scarlet barn
Good lad
main copper
yeah i realised that but they deal so much damage
We were getting eaten alive by DH's when I started but after a while we started farming them.
They blurr randomly and are obsessed with chasing after the healer most the time.
Just pop stuff after blurr, keep hamstring on them and don't stack on your healer.
mortal elm
what about locks
vale harness
what about locks
funny how u struggle with the exact same classes as i do
dense dagger
they almost deal %50 dmg from me
most of the dmg is throw glaive anyways
which is from one shotting their necro proc
when I meet dhs dmg is usually even
mortal elm
which is from one shotting their necro proc
thats why their throw glaive is so high?
ohhhhhhh
okkkay
now i get it like, it should be that high glave dmg
dense dagger
they get dmg increase from demon
mortal elm
but one shot to the demon coutns to detail right?
mortal elm
1950.. 150 more i think
spark sail
might of been asked here a few times already but i just found the discord
but 9.2 looking like kyrian will be optimal for 2s & 3s?
sharp meteor
Based on what we know right now it'll probably be the safest pick although really they made covenant swapping easy so idk why people are worried about it
spark sail
for me i only just returned so i don't want to waste the little gold i have on buying max leggos
my helm is 235 and i wasn't sure if i should make it 262 or just insta get the kyrian legs for 262
playing necro rn though
main copper
Don't craft cov legos right now. You will get it on a belt slot after the quest chain in 9.2
Enduring Blow on helm at 262 is probably a good investment still.
spark sail
okay i'll probably upgrade that then
barren crane
when is the best time to disarm a DH? It feels like they just crap out big damage constantly
knotty tangle
After eye beam
knotty tangle
Kick eye beam, disarm, they are useless
sharp meteor
best way to minimize damage is kick eye beam, bolt/disarm off
knotty tangle
Bolt and beam is also same cd, worth noticing
barren crane
gotcha ty
wet scarab
Curious what folks think about the priority targets in DH-boomie-rsham and in caster cleaves with spriest and lock. I’m playing turbo. I generally want to say DH for the first since we can counter them better and they panic when taking a lot of damage, but boomkins are pretty gnarly with their healer cc. For the latter I feel like it’s easier to just pummel the spriests and line deathbolt but they can often still land it if they’re better coordinated
We haven’t died to lock priest yet but came pretty close a couple of times
knotty tangle
I like going boomer, the peeling they can do is insane, and you will be able to cleave dh
wet scarab
We also play with a disc priest so have to maximise early goes or eventually run out of mana
Only problem is DHs are obsessed with chasing healers
knotty tangle
Also saw all teams whaazform met trained him and off target dh
wet scarab
So cleaving them isn’t an option if we go boomie
knotty tangle
They wont get much value off root beam always chasing healer, wich is a big win condition for the comp
But im not 3k, so its just my 2 cents
wet scarab
They don’t usually if we are going DH, only if we train the Druid
Our priest has stone form so can escape early root beams
gloomy beacon
Tbh I find the druids control is what sets up to lose faster rather than the DH ooming your healer
What’s your other member for your 3s team?
wet scarab
Enh shaman
Sometimes a rogue
We are playing around 2200 and we don’t lose all those games by any stretch they’re just very hard fought
sharp meteor
Curious what folks think about the priority targets in DH-boomie-rsham and in ca...
We generally eat rsham
wet scarab
Feels really good when we win
wet scarab
Ah yes that’s a good point, we have won a few games by going rsham hard at the start
gloomy beacon
With enh also you should be able to do nice against the healer
sharp meteor
It's like bolt spear doom and shamn needs to cover the clones with shear/ground so u don't get peeled
then sharpen out of the stun
most teams panic and overlap everything so rsham dies after a few goes
dh just very hard to kill because blur is like 90% dodge versus physical and on same cd as warbreaker and shorter than spear
wet scarab
Yeah and spear lines up better with the enh’s cooldowns than necro
sharp meteor
queuing into sp teams as necro with a mw 🤤
wet scarab
First couple of games as necro I failed pretty hard
Lol with sp I tend to go unhinged and they collapse so fast it’s hilarious
Right after they fade a 4 sec spear
sharp meteor
yeah i just go enduring vs sp
wet scarab
Do you ever go lock first or always priest?
sharp meteor
issue with lock especially as kyrian is that they can be gripped on the bolt if not covered
or they trinket the spear and port
er bolt and port
wet scarab
Do you ever take the shattering throw talent against locks?
sharp meteor
yeah nice for punching through pact although they're getting more used to stopping it
pact also based on current health so they'll often use it SUPER early
like before u commit cds which can be GREAT
won splay game the other day because lock inted his pact then refused to wall bless his soul
wet scarab
Ah nice, the shaman suggested it and it had never occurred to me but was really nice
First time playing turbo
Lucked out playing with my healer friend to find this guy, like one of the few alliance HoF guilds and has like 730 mounts lol
sharp meteor
that is a lot of mounts
wet scarab
Yeah even the spectral tiger rip
But yeah the comp was fun. A lot more survivable than rogue but with less dirty plays
And it’s a relief because I hate playing with paladins
thick reef
Lucked out playing with my healer friend to find this guy, like one of the few a...
isnt there the same amount alliance hof as horde
thick reef
yah ik what you meant just playing
wet scarab
The DH boomie games were really tough but they felt winnable as turbo if you worked hard at it, with a rogue it’s just impossible against that particular meta
spark sail
i really struggle picking pvp talents by default i run sharpen / ds / warbringer
when should i be swapping these out
sand shadow
when you meet comps that warrant a switch
vs another warrior, disarm is almost universally a higher prio pick, for example
vs ret/warr you perhaps want Disarm + Duel, etc
depends on what you're running and what you're facing
spark sail
vs another warrior, disarm is almost universally a higher prio pick, for example
which would i drop for disarm? warbringer?
sharp meteor
Yeah even the spectral tiger rip
those things are a pain to sell
sharp meteor
which would i drop for disarm? warbringer?
warbringer is nice for more damage and another second on the charge root, so mobile stuff like hunters/aff potentially as an offensive pick, or maybe as kitty in general
duel is good for stopping any big dam on teammates BUTTTT they can turn and ding you if they notice
like really REALLY good versus stuff like ww if they don't cover u
just stand back press duel then maybe intervenve and it just guts their entire go
death sentence is an anti-mobility pickup imo like for finishing power vs monks dh hunters
wet scarab
DS is good in 2s but I’ve honestly never scored a kill with it against a kiting class in 3s
Avatar warbringer though
Boom
It will be useless next patch anyway
I think I killed a few rogues with avatar warbringer crits
They also tend to die a lot to piercing verdict for some reason
sharp meteor
ya crit one of the two arcane mage players with like a 28k warbringer lmao
sand shadow
which would i drop for disarm? warbringer?
I'd drop WB, yes. DS too stronk
sadly getting gutted soon 
sharp meteor
ds is already a bit of a niche pick at least in 3s
actually eh
maybe fine as general pick for kitty/retwarr
wet scarab
it's fine it's just there's always something better suited to the comp you're facing outside the 2 mainstays of warbringer and sharpen
I end up sometimes playing it against caster comps pretty much exclusively just for mobility
sharp meteor
i feel like i rarely want warbringer but i also don't q kitty
wet scarab
what do you play instead usually?
sharp meteor
felt good offensively into aff and hunters
sand shadow
well, those tough decisions are part of why ARms is good atm. If you're struggling to pick, then it means you have many great choices
full quiver
warbringer feels so good
sharp meteor
generally it's sharpen into everything except maybe disc teams without a hybrid
full quiver
hnnnng
sharp meteor
disarm into any of the usual thhings like rogues warriors necro rets mms dhs
flex pick usually banner duel or big rally
sand shadow
Disarm feels so poop vs high MMR RMX, though. Best you can do with it, usually, is delay a go. Which can be a life-saver ofc, but most of the time you're not playing your character anyway
so its not like you're disarming when you want to Disarm
annoying AF.
sharp meteor
just won a match the other day because i disarmed the rogue and prevented him from stunning everybody
can also disarm wws so they can't parry in a spear
sand shadow
yap, that can help
sharp meteor
which i learned by forgetting to swap out of disarm vs ww :)))
wet scarab
oh shit I didnt know that about WW
sand shadow
yeah the only thing you stop on Ww is fists
sharp meteor
fof requires wep but honestly PROBABLY not a good pick
sand shadow
by disarm
sharp meteor
yeah
sand shadow
nah, trash pick imo, yea
wet scarab
how on earth did I not know that
gloomy beacon
That feels like a miss on blizzards part more than anything haha
sand shadow
@wet scarab because you haven't played WW
sharp meteor
most of their stuff doesn't require a wep
full quiver
just save bolt for FoF
sand shadow
nothing but Fists requires a wep
sharp meteor
and it is a cheese offensive pick unless ur entire game plan is
not spearing unless they're bolted
that's grief
sand shadow
unless they changed it? I last played monk in BFA
frank knoll
Honestly it’s really sad to watch a high skill comp like jungle play perfect but lose on mana
sand shadow
I don't think anything they do requires a wep other than FoF
full quiver
ez$
wet scarab
most of the time I avoid going monk in 3s because of fists even though they feel a lot squishier, you have given me new life by letting me grief monks with disarm
full quiver
lol
sand shadow
fists are whatevs
you either smash them in CC and then Leap + Death Sentence them to death, or they live most of the time
full quiver
taking disarm to offensively go monks in 3s seems like griefing yourself
sand shadow
you can smash his fists w/ OP
wet scarab
still feels like a wasted go
sharp meteor
i mean it is a super aggro pick
and has worked a few times
need sharpen, duel usually super nice, which leaves one more talent, often ds into wws
wet scarab
it sounds as dirty as spearing a smoke bomb target so it makes me happy
that's basically how most kills happened in my warrior-rogue-priest matches
feels dirty af and shouldn't be possible but chef's kiss
have any of you tried playing with mages? I've been in a few games with some and it feels like their competency drastically falls when not playing with a rogue
like almost all casters seem to be able to play both caster cleaves and melee partners except mages and I'm not sure why
sharp meteor
warr/mage is good yeah
wet scarab
I must be doing something wrong then
sharp meteor
i mean most of the work is on the mage
u just bolt something so he can poly healer or w/e
and most mages suck so they can't do anything without a rogue/priest crossing everything for them
wet scarab
hmm
it feels like it should work but I don't really know enough about synergies between them to judge who's being inefficient
nimble jasper
I mean
sharp meteor
yeah it was super popular on ladder last season
nimble jasper
play a rogue in low mmr 2s
sharp meteor
but was honestly not great because most mages don't function without a pet rogue
nimble jasper
and you'll realize
wet scarab
they don't seem able to land kills either outside combust windows but MM hunters will happily do it for you
wet scarab
lol
sharp meteor
it's like they have shimmer db poly and
despite having both other targets stunned
they bungle that
nimble jasper
even with the pet rogue meme
some dont realize
they can poly more than 1 person
per game
until 2.2
wet scarab
lmao
it's only when you play with one that you realise how awful they are at doing damage outside their combust window
with an MM hunter they're constantly pumping and matching your damage on a kill target and very often will take over the line
with mages I feel like it needs to be much better timed
I never really played 3s before this season so I'm experimenting with different comps and just having fun, rating is at 2200 so not really high but it's a lot more interesting than 2s
lucid walrus
wmx is probably the most setup-intensive hybrid comp we have
lucid walrus
it's only when you play with one that you realise how awful they are at doing da...
this comes into play imo
frank knoll
You guys are so humble. 2200 is good af. I made 1800 for the first time last night and it was hard. ESP queuing into 1900 cr teams who are already rival geared
sharp meteor
occasionally queuing vs actual warriors makes me contemplate rolling bm 
wet scarab
I have multiple chars at 60, including a frost mage, spriest, and bm hunter, and every time I queue and get trounced I realise I have no capacity to play them competitively without putting in the 10,000 hours or however long I played warrior to get halfway good at it, and log off
I don't know if there's some secret to playing multiple classes at a high level besides playing them a lot but I just don't seem to have the same grasp even of arena mechanics
I might fare better with other melee dps classes but so far it feels like I'm playing with one arm tied up
sharp meteor
i just watch vods from my partners pov and that makes me slightly less bad i think, i hope
also spitballing after each match as to how we could've adjusted on a personal level
wet scarab
ah that's a good idea
yeah we do that right now a lot, but it doesn't seem to translate for me with other classes, even if I know their mechanics enough to beat them consistently
like on my frost mage I cannot for the life of me actually do much damage because of LoS
it's stupid and very basic but it's not something I've had to contemplate much besides making sure I don't LoS my healer, but having to play with and around it feels very unnatural
wet scarab
with my healing chars too I feel like I'm only playing for about a third of the game xD
sharp meteor
idk most important thing is just fundamental stuff that carries over one spec to another
and then can worry about micro stuff like whoops ms'd into sharpen awk
wet scarab
heh
most of the time I queue, get stomped by the melee class du jour, relog warrior and just go murder people in BGs as revenge
mortal elm
can i use tmog mount rewards in alliance too?
sharp meteor
tmog mount rewards?
wet scarab
btw, did they end up axing those ridiculous cc trinkets from the PTR? haven't heard much about them since they were mined a few months ago
sharp meteor
the cc immunity one looks borderline inting
20% increased for one cc then immune the next might have potential?
wet scarab
how do you counter all the 1 shot plays in this game if they are immune to CC
sharp meteor
same way u counter somebody getting queen/bop/aura etc
by pressing ur own defensive buttons
or getting an external
the cc immunity thing is 2 ccds within 15 seconds including kicks on a 3m cd and u can't use medallion with it
seems like ACTUALLY trolling outside especially if pacing goes down
wet scarab
you think the pacing will go down with all the insane legendary combos? or because of the stamina buff
sharp meteor
i was honestly expecting it off the sheer volume of people at the lower end of the ladder who had their teeth kicked in and quit lmao
but it'll be slower initially due to vers removal and stam buff
that is likely a prevenatitive measure to counteract leggos/tier tho it'll speed back up eventually
raw summit
Parry it idk
sharp meteor
idk defensive
wet scarab
I get the trading defensives part my point is you usually have more than one option to stop goes
sharp meteor
how much do nades hit for
sharp meteor
I get the trading defensives part my point is you usually have more than one opt...
ye?
wet scarab
well what does CC immunity actually entail
can you fear or stormbolt a CC immune target?
can I reflect poly?
when I'm trying not to die to wings it's not always the same way, sometimes I disarm sometimes I leap away, sometimes I use defensives, sometimes spear, sometimes stun, etc
being CC immune removes a lot of counter options
sharp meteor
it eats 2 kicks/ccs
wet scarab
yes but there are a bunch of other options to deal with it, not rely on one CD that's every minute and a half
sharp meteor
which seems
raw summit
Cc thing sucks and shouldnt be in the game
sharp meteor
awful
you'll see convokers cheese noobs at like 1800 or something but outside of that seems SUPER fringe kind of like uhh summer
wet scarab
lol I don't know I run into quite a few paladin MM hunter teams at duelist
they usually scuff it though
maybe it'll end up being a bit more niche like priests using it ahead of a mindgames go or something
which also sounds awful
wet scarab
officially run out of alts to gear with conquest
maybe I should boost a DH or paladin
thick reef
I assume necro will be bad for arms in 9.2?
cedar silo
why would it be downright bad
sharp meteor
I assume necro will be bad for arms in 9.2?
Glory seems quite underwhelming. Banner should still be good in whatever comps you'd already imagine it's good in, and into whatever matchups it's preferable into.
Kyrian with elysian and something like enduring is probably the highest overall value, though.
Based off current stuff, anyways. Subject to change etc.
spice hornet
Keep in mind you won’t get the second leggo for a few weeks after season start as well
wet scarab
they seem to want necro to be a default prot warrior spec
the set bonus will make us a lot more competitive in mythics
sharp meteor
yes damage lower initially so blowing people up in spears will be harder
sharp meteor
thinkin about how they pruned overwatch and not shadow of the colossus
twilit flax
lol I don't know I run into quite a few paladin MM hunter teams at duelist
Mm hpal is hot garbage
lucid walrus
thinkin about how they pruned overwatch and not shadow of the colossus
no kidding
twilit flax
I was talking twos
sharp meteor
oh ew yuck
twilit flax
Lol
Play necro or kyrian you can kill healers in the opener
Little effort
Arms can't touch you
sharp meteor
i don't like my game plan being to hope that the enemy team doesn't press buttons
twilit flax
Ret can't touch you
Good match up into ROG mage
Bro u can kill them thru buttons lol
You do so much dam
I haven't had this much fun in the game since WOD PvP
Playing 2s as MM right now
No cap
3s as mm isn't very fun u rely on ur team alot and even then you can get pinned down
Getting zugzugd isn't a vibe
Good guy to watch is Matasso
Polish guy he streams a shit ton
Speaks English though
lucid walrus
always wondered if mirror was a good play into mm 2s
don't think they run craven either so spear stonks potentially high
gloomy beacon
it’s so satisfying to intervene to reflect traps lol
plain wing
who is wodwarrior
knotty tangle
@lucid walrus they should run craven, but people dont care about effecient, they care about one shot
full quiver
who is wodwarrior
a warrior from wod
lucid walrus
this is true
knotty tangle
If the mm hunter is necro, you can be pretty damn sure he dosnt play craven.
sharp meteor
again it depends
queued into two playing craven
because they knew i was kyrian
and wanted to get out of spear
but i knew that they knew
so i ran enduring
:))
knotty tangle
Well at that high rating, sure
Like bicmex didnt run mending bandage vs a surv hunter because he thought he met a necro hunter. Boy was he wrong
sharp meteor
:)) yep
queued into a team that'd swap covs between matches it was spooky
but i also swap to necro warr when there's 2 wps's in queue so
sharp meteor
queuing into wps as necro with a mw is just so funny becasue revival guts half their goes and the priest doesn't have a spear to fade out of
so they just get their face smacked for a few minutes until their sham ooms or they randomly get chopped
then we queue into ret/warr or kitty 
so it balances out
mortal elm
what is kitti
lucid walrus
feral/war
knotty tangle
You like necro or kyr vs jungle?
sharp meteor
Not sure yet lol Kyrian feels like it hinges on our ability to forge turtle without spear which can be difficult if the priest/feral are super good about peeling our goes with storm bolt
but then again we've just been going hunter most games, not sure if play is to run at priest
frank knoll
Any of you guys get nervous when you queue into ele shaman/x/x
lucid walrus
depends
frank knoll
I feel like Thunder cleave and LSD are challenging to face
frank knoll
Hell yeah lol
sharp meteor
also i think my longest game in sl was vs an rsham thunder and the match was like 13 or 14 minutes
rsham played short frog and just kept one people hopping around the whole match lel
frank knoll
I just an ele shaman alt
I’ve dueled them and a good ele makes me want to uninstall
I don’t know how scary they are i arena. During my climb to 1800 I just finished I didn’t see a single Ele
lucid walrus
thunder is sparse but it's scary
its comp variety is nuts though i'll say that much
sharp meteor
ele isnt fun in 2s
either play with another dps or dampen with rdruid zz
maybe like hpriest idk
frank knoll
Lol I’m not touching 2s on this guy. I’m not crazy
I’ll just queue into DH/X Warr/X or rogue mage and lose every game
wicked bison
what an i do as fury to not die to a marks opener
frank knoll
Battlemaster or rally? If they have a pet hit it for IP rage, use ur wall?
Or just play arms
sharp meteor
bm, rally, line, healer external, avatar and line, leap bolt/fear/disarm
frank knoll
Could charge, disarm into bolt maybe
sharp meteor
99% of mms don't know how to play outside of their meme 1-shot
which is usually just them hitting everything and hoping u don't notice and press buttons in time
frank knoll
He’ll save his disengage for your charge so leap right after and bolt
Chances are he will turtle as soon as you touch him, they do that a lot at lower ratings
I’ve straight up trained MMs who don’t use scatter or binding shot the whole game, they just turtle and try to run and then die
undone pumice
hi guys
i just hit 1800 for the first time
only started playing again 11 days ago so im pretty happy to hit my highest ever now
did a lot of the climb with an absolute pumper of an rsham
lucid walrus
badass. gj to both of y'all
frank knoll
Like 252ish PvP, that’s Rival 1
elder wigeon
The elite sword?
sharp meteor
259 pvp
mortal elm
elder wigeon
Rank 8
mortal elm
rated bgs or
lucid walrus
any
lucid walrus
rbgs technically more but they're a pain in the ass
elder wigeon
Yes
undone pumice
rated bgs give more i think but normal bgs are faster
lucid walrus
better served going for normals
mortal elm
i see
mortal elm
epic or normal bg?
mortal elm
yeah not bad
undone pumice
ur gonna spend more time in queue
mortal elm
5min queues are not that bad tho
knotty tangle
Just queue as ally, higher win rate aswell
undone pumice
thats allowed?
mortal elm
Just queue as ally, higher win rate aswell
of course i am doing it lmao
horde are so bad at rbgs while have more queue time
undone pumice
ally better pvp racials so it makes sense
undone pumice
listen
mortal elm
see?
mortal elm
XD
undone pumice
now i myself play orc and warrior so im double debuffed
knotty tangle
You are full pepe
sharp meteor
welcome brother
knotty tangle
Do you also then bench press with your butt in the air?
nimble jasper
now i myself play orc and warrior so im double debuffed
male orc straightback
mortal elm
and oh yeah mark of honors ill take it
nimble jasper
omega debuff
mortal elm
manic tree
for turbo cleave, better to play kyr or necro arms?
sharp meteor
i general spear imo
manic tree
cause I used to play vent arms but it seems kakapoopoo these days
sharp meteor
yeah venth kind of underwhelming
undone pumice
im male orc bent back
manic tree
used to love it in 2s
nimble jasper
peak of brainlessness
manic tree
but yeah gotta get the wife the oogly mount aswell
so my buddy and I decided to go for a turbo comp
manic tree
thats why you bind hamstring 😉
undone pumice
piercing howl is cooler hamstring
manic tree
true
but yeah wife is the healer
and my buddy only has a shaman or hunter
and I hate kfc
so turbo it is
😄
nimble jasper
undone pumice
pay him 60$ to boost a ret
nimble jasper
yeah popeyes is better
undone pumice
fuck is popeyes
manic tree
nah fam gotta save my money
undone pumice
fuck is kfc
undone pumice
imagine
manic tree
no need to grind rank xD
undone pumice
ur wife makes u sleep on the couch because u messed up in pvp
manic tree
risk I am willing to take
sharp meteor
oh if it's just for the gorm then either is fine and necro might even be better if you're reasonably geared
just kill people through all their stuff in the opener every game
nimble jasper
its more of me being annoyed
undone pumice
is the gorm doable before 9.2
nimble jasper
playing with lower exped healers
"ok mg here win the game"
or cc guy on trinket
neither happens
or just me queueing into warlocks in general
"you having fun it looks like"
"no fk you"
convo with guy i played with in s4 bfa
"wtf is this fear pathing im dead prob"
hehe
undone pumice
700k gushing wounds
undone pumice
1m infinite stars
sharp meteor
after stars had cd put on it the corruption was kind of dead
manic tree
anyways kyr for turbo, thanks lads
sharp meteor
anyways kyr for turbo, thanks lads
ye gl, just bolt into spear then doomwinds all over them
second spear doom winds then ascend and they're usually toast
sharp meteor
can also intervene shaman to eat disarms/stuns so their ascend can't be peeled
yeah that's why i like holding big cd for second go :))
warbreaker bolt hoj all cds
then next set of stuns send conq with wings
:)))
manic tree
thanks bruddah
elder wigeon
how about i just wait 3 seconds to disarm kekw
intervene for offense is trash now that it's 3 not 6 seconds
and I'm a big advocate for intervene getting nerfed to 2 seconds
floral ingot
Sometimes I have to forcefully remind myself that mages don’t have a healing spec
elder wigeon
if a mage is playing blink instead of shimmer, they're not a good target to hit
sharp meteor
intervene for offense is trash now that it's 3 not 6 seconds
usually yeah but sometimes it aligns both offensively and defensively
elder wigeon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830037295733801022/940518189039747092/unknown.png warrior is also not a healer spec
elder wigeon
usually yeah but sometimes it aligns both offensively and defensively
gotta be careful that I don't force your enhance to spend that maelstrom on healing 😁
sharp meteor
hey that team looks familiar
knotty tangle
Petition to make only healing speccs able to heal
elder wigeon
warriors would die in like 3 seconds flat
knotty tangle
Not if they peel their healer
elder wigeon
warriors have always had a small amount of healing even in vanilla
second wind was nice
they killed second wind in WoD and left it to be trash the last 10 years
fucking blizzard
sharp meteor
i like how dstance works now but second wind is just kind of a
elder wigeon
I don't like d-stance at all
sharp meteor
qol questing thing, or maybe raid fights with no ambient dmg
feels not ideal
but then again even if they reverted to mop second window
it wouldn't really change much
elder wigeon
second wind would have to be reworked to activate at 50% but start out very weak and increase in healing as you reach 0%
sharp meteor
yeah that might've been cool
elder wigeon
I just think second wind should be a passive and reverted to wrath second wind
actual spec passive, not a talent, it's clear it can't be balanced as a talent
lucid walrus
something to that effect
spec would need a defensive rework for sure if SW went passive. imagine the whining from this class getting anything at all in its present state
lucid walrus
feels weird saying it but i'd like a diff rage spender if IP were lobbed
elder wigeon
there needs to be a punishment to rooting a warrior
plenty of rage to slam
just like mop
slam was your rage dump in mop
lucid walrus
feels like dog to press but i get you
lucid walrus
haven't given 4set a test just yet
elder wigeon
in wrath, second wind proced on any immobilize or stun effect giving you 10% max health over 10 sec and 20 rage over 10 seconds
lucid walrus
curious to see whether AM or DN comes out on top next patch
lucid walrus
quicker stacks as well
elder wigeon
mmhm
lucid walrus
you were asking abt the inverse of that a while ago yeah?
something about the set devaluing DN i thought
elder wigeon
I don't think so
lucid walrus
my memory blows idk
elder wigeon
devalues battlelord
lucid walrus
i recall seeing discussion on it. i'd like battlelord to be the play tbqh
elder wigeon
unless it considers the mortalstrike as if you spent 30 but only spend 15
lucid walrus
yeah i wish it did that
lucid walrus
always this short
elder wigeon
otherwise with the tier set it's as if you spent 30, but spent 15, but no increased chance to proc relatively speaking over a regular mortal strike
lucid walrus
clocks in at around 2 weeks typically
sharp meteor
why does everybody say short notice it's always like just under two weeks aaa
and this season is like 3-4 months longer than it should be
die season 2 die
lucid walrus
what was bullshit last patch was going "oops lol enchant is exclusive to this season"
sharp meteor
seasonal enchants are sick even if they aren't great
elder wigeon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sharp meteor
sharp meteor
elite set lookin funky
plain wing
that set actually blows
lucid walrus
panda 
wheat jay
there needs to be a punishment to rooting a warrior
No, go back to your steel trap corner
plain wing
straight up worse than lvling gear
twilit flax
I think its dope
elder wigeon
I'm not looking forward to never getting a weapon from the box
wheat jay
And dont Avatar out this time
lucid walrus
i love the set honestly
twilit flax
Thicc af
sharp meteor
gettin 3 boxes on 4 warrs
elder wigeon
gear looks like trash on pandas sorry not sorry
twilit flax
Question is why are u panda
lucid walrus
been a big fan of increased 3d asset use since legion
plain wing
its not even thicc tho
sharp meteor
Question is why are u panda
because ptr
plain wing
its just like leveling tier textures
wheat jay
gear looks like trash on pandas sorry not sorry
Its good on male panda
elder wigeon
how about look at it on a male orc or male human
wheat jay
Male panda is THE best model in the game
lucid walrus
dk set could look really good or like complete ass depending on model. it's funny
big hero 6 vibes on male panda
elder wigeon
literally false
wheat jay
Bruh
twilit flax
Nothing looks good on panda imo
sharp meteor
how about look at it on a male orc or male human
wheat jay
If I could swap to panda I would
sharp meteor
elder wigeon
OH YEAH BABY
plain wing
yea thats yikes
lucid walrus
there's plenty that works for panda
elder wigeon
LIGHTWEIGHT
twilit flax
there's plenty that works for panda
Yeah the delete char button lol
Bad animations too
lucid walrus
now you're just lying
twilit flax
I play Warr to be a ruthless thunder cracking machine
sharp meteor
Bad animations too
i love their animations
lucid walrus
i'll clarify that this is not my main
wheat jay
Lmao
And then you lose to panda in arena
I remember getting hate whispers for that
Felt good
sharp meteor
actually queued into panda warr the other day playin retwarr
lucid walrus
mitch jones tribute every time you pop the racial
wheat jay
Fat blob in Elite antorus armor
twilit flax
I mean that set looks okay
plain wing
My AnXIetY GeTs the BeSt Of MEEE
twilit flax
But would look 100x better on human
lucid walrus
you just have to work around how gimmicky the model is
undone pumice
if i could be a tauren with orc racial i would
sharp meteor
Fat blob in Elite antorus armor
floral ingot
Losing to pandas doesn’t even count as a loss cause Mitch approves
twilit flax
So ur comparing okay to great
undone pumice
i just want to be large and in charge
lucid walrus
used to play KT because knocking people out of line or off z-axis maps was hilarious
twilit flax
It would be like saying a&w breakfast is okay
sharp meteor
the knock does look funny
twilit flax
So that makes it equivalent to mcdons breakfast
wheat jay
Male tho
sharp meteor
i just play human on my warr now
lucid walrus
was even funnier when it didn't DR
wheat jay
Imagine not being male panda
twilit flax
Which would be a travesty
undone pumice
ironic right because warrior is rarely in charge of any situation
wheat jay
The only thing that's close to it is male kultiran
sharp meteor
I didn't have a male name on that server.
mortal elm
i love their animations
this mog actually kicks
sharp meteor
Legion had some cool sets.
mortal elm
yeah
undone pumice
u only have 1 free targetted dash
undone pumice
u are one of the worst world pvp classes
lucid walrus
vene & leap. simple as
undone pumice
so u get shanked by random hunters gunning you down
undone pumice
why are tank specs so broken in world pvp
lucid walrus
they're just designed to live. wpvp is a meme anyhow
twilit flax
seeing the face underneath killed the set for me
Just noticed that on the other photo that look so much better
lucid walrus
it wasn't changed until a late ptr build
undone pumice
wpvp is all that matters when im in korthia and getting gunned down in the streets
lucid walrus
why korthia?
knotty tangle
Swap to tank
lucid walrus
rough
lucid walrus
reasonable. full conduits and full sockets feel nice but not super consequential
floral ingot
Make a boomie alt and your bear slaughter will ascend to the next level
nimble jasper
@sharp meteor what wep you even using with cruel elite
sharp meteor
probably inferno?
nimble jasper
oh lol
undone pumice
i literally had to go to a wow loan shark and take like 30k for my 262 legendary