pvp

[cedar silo]

Train spriest so they can't cast stuff and get pressure

[craggy socket]

Perfect

Thats what I figured but good to know that unholy nova shit is insane

[sharp meteor]

i feel like in a vacuum arms desrtoys shadow its just wps that eats lots of melee cleaves because spear and warrior peels

but like kill the psyfiend

[plain wing]

do yall send avatar to get out of binding shot at open

or just sit it, and wait to see what the hunter pops

[sharp meteor]

always ava or bs if my healer can't freely set it

[raw summit]

is it okay to kill the nova pet

i faced disc/sp and was killing pets for like half the game

[sharp meteor]

u can shackle it

or fear it

or dispel the disease

[raw summit]

when does it expire again

[sharp meteor]

but usally avoid kiling it imo

i think its 25

[raw summit]

honestly didnt know thats how it worked

[sharp meteor]

no 20

[cedar silo]

it fucking trucks man

[raw summit]

ill let my monk healer bother abt that

[sharp meteor]

disease amps its dam

[raw summit]

so far ive just killed it (1 game sample though)

[sharp meteor]

okay so unholy nova flings a proctile goo ball that explodes on impact and puts a dot on anybody in the area, the dot is a disease

each individual hit/tick of dam into the disease buffs the skele

up to 50 stacks i think for 100% more dam

which is why u revival the kyrian spear and unholy nova

and wps in shambles

[raw summit]

so we either cc it or get the disease off

[sharp meteor]

can do both but shackle and turn undead are the big ones on the skeletor

otherwise don't worry about it

[raw summit]

im with a monk rn so thats not an option, ty for the info

[sharp meteor]

yeah monk warr should destroy sp i think

[raw summit]

idk i did x2 his dam and they died someway down the road

i didnt even know what to hit so i just slapped either

both have fade so kyr is kinda ass

[sharp meteor]

yeah nobody knows how shadow does its damage which is weird because its in like every game

maybe because shadow doesn't 1-hit them like ret/ww/mm/arms lel

[raw summit]

true

i gotta study some anboni stuff to figure the spec out

think its the big dot/crash though

[nimble jasper]

when you see

void eruption cast

big damage inc

tbh

[raw summit]

yea then instant mindblasts

and u get the dot on you stacked like 3 times

[sharp meteor]

instant mb least of worries

[raw summit]

currently winning all games where heal doesnt get oneshot (ass mr/cr)

is there anything particular id relfect for sp

[nimble jasper]

dw

i’ve still oneshot rdruids

at 2.4

fucking chimp brains

[raw summit]

i kinda wanna try unhinged kyr

or is that better for necro

[nimble jasper]

tfw you almost oneshot an rdruid

then

ns swiftmned

top from 5% insta

[sharp meteor]

unhinged during conq banner feels greaet

[plain wing]

yea i kinda wanna craft unhined and see how it goes

unhinged*

[jaunty furnace]

are most warriors playing Kyrian in arena?

Or necro

[sharp meteor]

they're both good

depends on what u queueing

[wet scarab]

What talents are you taking with unhinged? Feels like a waste without storm of destruction

I have one shot people with that

[sharp meteor]

Idk I haven't played unhinged in actual games, just to carry friends to duelist in 2s

where every match is over before bladestorm is back off cd

[undone pumice]

didnt unhinged use to be bis

[sharp meteor]

I have seen some kitty players run it

[sharp meteor]

Kind of, yeah. Early expansion individual abilities hit harder. Like, a mortal strike did 15% of your health, as opposed to 10% now type of thing.

[undone pumice]

yes

[sharp meteor]

So bladestorm offensively during a go to proc another ms or two would clip somebody a lot of the time

[undone pumice]

i remember unhinged being my first legendary because of that

[sharp meteor]

exploiter was the reliable play that didn't tie your damage into bs, but was a little more finicky

Yeah, I just played unhinged and sephuz

[undone pumice]

why sephuz

wtf

[sharp meteor]

1 minute rally and battlemaster every game

because it seemed nice with orc racial

[undone pumice]

does it stack?

[sharp meteor]

also need bs to dodge cc sometimes

yes

[undone pumice]

wat

[sharp meteor]

but yeah exploiter with like a mage or something and setting up burst for each bolt was neat

[undone pumice]

mm

deeps

[sharp meteor]

unhinged now seems kind of like a kitty or maybe retwarr pick as necro?

[undone pumice]

i play with uhh rogue and a demon hunter

[sharp meteor]

kyrian feels kind of stuck with big spear then maybe enduring

rogue/dh/warrior?

[undone pumice]

warrior rogue

im 2s degenerate

[wet scarab]

I’ve had a few procs with unhinged and storm plus other offensive cooldowns one shotting every class from paladins to shadow priests

[sharp meteor]

i could see that working in 3s

[wet scarab]

But around duelist

[sharp meteor]

seems a little scuffed for 2s

[undone pumice]

it is scuffed

[sharp meteor]

yeah killed a priest through ps the other day with unhinged

100-0'd in a bolt

[undone pumice]

but i just play around the rogue

[sharp meteor]

sounds frustrating LMAO

[undone pumice]

we in vc

so it works

[wet scarab]

Yeah occasionally killed paladins before they could react fast enough to bubble

[sharp meteor]

i need alcohol to play 2s without a healer/hybrid

[undone pumice]

i simply

go hit the enemy

and thats all i do

[sharp meteor]

a man of culture

if it's red i hit it with a stick until it's more red

[wet scarab]

I like warrior rogue in 3s a lot

[undone pumice]

90% of games i just train 1 target and swap when they pop a big defensive like ps, karma, etc.

[sharp meteor]

I think warr/rogue in 3s might have potential, yes.

[undone pumice]

warr rogue is just

gigascuffed

[sharp meteor]

bolt healer, kidney kt, rotate sharpen and hemo??

[undone pumice]

because stun dr

[sharp meteor]

hmm

HMM

[undone pumice]

m a l e d i c k d i c k

maledict plays are funny with rogue

kidney into maledicts

they just die usually

[wet scarab]

Most games I played with disc and rogue friends we split targets, one of the enemies dies because healer is in stunlock halfway across the map, and I occasionally while chasing come across a dps in execute range and kill him and move on

It’s quite entertaining to play

[undone pumice]

i want to try

rogue/warr/cat

[wet scarab]

Lul

[undone pumice]

because thats all my friends play

not sure how it would work out

[wet scarab]

Warrior spear into stun smoke bomb is one of the dirtiest plays in the game

[undone pumice]

wtf does smoke bomb even dk

i have brain damage i cant read

[sharp meteor]

spear into beam on 2+ people

it creates line

[wet scarab]

Hah

[sharp meteor]

it's basically when u don't have cc on healer

it creates its own cc by blocking their ability to directly heal their partner, or cast @ them in general

[undone pumice]

so is it like

los but

no pillar

[wet scarab]

It’s an aoe effect around them yeah

As long as they’re in it they can’t receive direct heals

[sharp meteor]

can't see into or out of the bomb

[undone pumice]

damn wtf

[sharp meteor]

bomb mage in kidney, his priest has to move into bomb to life grip or heal him

which means he has to whaddle all the way over

[undone pumice]

why does every class except warrior get to have dirty utility just baseline

[sharp meteor]

can also bomb mid-cast

[lucid walrus]

we have plenty wdym

[sharp meteor]

70% of the way through a heal cast, u bomb the person they're healing, the cast stops

[lucid walrus]

6s vene was kooky

[wet scarab]

Usually they trinket it but if you spear them they’re stuck in there for 8 seconds

[sharp meteor]

and warr has probably the most buttons of any spec aside from sp

[undone pumice]

druids get to farm herbs without dismounting

rogues,hunter, druids, mages get stealth

when can i chop trees

[lucid walrus]

we get to hit people for 30k in a global

[sharp meteor]

we're an angry guy with a stick what do u want

[undone pumice]

i want

[sharp meteor]

one of our moves is "chop attack"

[undone pumice]

to go fast

[sharp meteor]

another one is "be so angry you stop being scared"

then, my favorite

"spin move"

[undone pumice]

my favorite

be so angry u become stone

[lucid walrus]

1 korean swap with bolt later

[undone pumice]

and large

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor eu plays sub ww

and it looks dirty af

[sharp meteor]

yes i have queued into it very scary

[wet scarab]

What’s a Korean swap

[undone pumice]

fury + arms

scary 2v2 juicer comvo

they go hit the enemy

[nimble jasper]

yeah necro ww with crit lego venthyr rog

big unga

[undone pumice]

kyrian rogue

or bust

[lucid walrus]

random wacky turn around and kill dude

[wet scarab]

I played some 3s with a fury warr and disc priest and it was fun af

[undone pumice]

furry warrior is funjy

[nimble jasper]

kyrian standard

[undone pumice]

but unfortunately fucking useless

[nimble jasper]

unless you’re swacked

playing nf

with rotten

and gloomblade

[wet scarab]

We were both necro and used banner at the same time and it was glorious murder

Worthy of odyn

[undone pumice]

so is venthyr just

garbage

in all content now

[lucid walrus]

it'll basically be dead in the water come 9.2

[undone pumice]

man

condemn seemed cool

[lucid walrus]

the mobility it offered is prolly just gutted with the DS nerf

[undone pumice]

yea

i know

[graceful arrow]

Hey dumb question, im playing around in pvp again as arms. im trying to see if I can make a sequence type macro with warbreaker, avatar, spear, then bladestorm?

Any advice

[lucid walrus]

keybind them

[undone pumice]

yes

[wet scarab]

Looks like all warrior specs will be underpowered in 9.2 compared to the ptr insanity

[undone pumice]

didnt shadowlands ptr

[sharp meteor]

pls don't

[undone pumice]

have ravager not replace bladestorm

so u had a ravager and bladestorm

[graceful arrow]

@sharp meteor ive done it before, but it was easily like 6 years ago last time I did it

[undone pumice]

and u went spinnnnn

[wet scarab]

@graceful arrow this disc is violently opposed to macros that combine abilities

[graceful arrow]

Why...?

[wet scarab]

Because it encourages bad habits. You can use avatar when you’re rooted

[sharp meteor]

nah i am against the idea of having your shit all bound together if that's your only bind

if u want a separate bind then that's why but idk why people would need weird macros for warrior stuff

[undone pumice]

its a noobtrap imo to have all ur bursts on one macro

[sharp meteor]

aside from obviously like cancelaura bladestorms

[lucid walrus]

macros are fine. anything more complex than off-gcd+on-gcd steps on toes

[undone pumice]

bloodfury + primary stat trinket + avatar + warbreaker

[lucid walrus]

even that's situational

[graceful arrow]

Nah I have stuff set aside separately when needing to use it and what not, the idea for this is just when messing in epic battlegrounds when jumping in the back line area to hurt the clothies and healers

[wet scarab]

If you really want to you can combine crit trinket, avatar and war breaker in one macro, but if you want to do all of that you can do it with cast sequence

As in banner or spear and blades torm as well

[sharp meteor]

like i have badge and bloodfury in conq banner

[lucid walrus]

gatekept at 1200cr special. only macro you'll ever need

[graceful arrow]

ty @wet scarab figured it out, since im using spear @clear halo I had to do

[sharp meteor]

just never stuff like ava

[undone pumice]

imo i like to have off gcd stuff that has the same cd macroed together so they dont waste slots

[graceful arrow]

#showtooltip
/castsequence [@clear halo] Warbreaker, Avatar, Spear of Bastion, Bladestorm

[sharp meteor]

spear at player hmm

[graceful arrow]

like that worked

I have spear seperately if I wanna use it to tangle someone up also, but this is just for rolling deathball when I know im gonna die but also gonna inflict damage at least if not murk lower geared players is all

[wet scarab]

You have to add a reset I think to be able to use it a second time

You really should keep avatar outside of that with the prevalence of roots in this game

[undone pumice]

is it worth to seperate @cursor leap and regular targetted leap

[nimble jasper]

only macro you need

[sharp meteor]

having a seperate bind might be cool for a fast leap sure

[graceful arrow]

personal choice on that one imo, Ive always hated @ cursor stuff but thats cause I randomly fuck up and put myself in the roof with targeted spells

[sharp meteor]

yeah easy to throw spear into the ceiling if u get a funky angle

i just use normal reticle for spear

[wet scarab]

I don’t know what you guys do to keep spearing the ceiling I just misfire it like a good old fashioned hare brained knucklehead

[nimble jasper]

i dont get how people miss spears

outside of priest pre grips

[graceful arrow]

I dont have as much of an issue with spear, but stuff like healing rain and earthquake I did that with a lot on

[undone pumice]

i remember when i stormbolted someone

then my brother shoved me and i missed spear

[wet scarab]

I don’t always stun before spear for various reasons like wanting to peel from two melee pounding on my healer

[graceful arrow]

Think it always just depends on the content youre doing, I personally stick to BGs and RBGs over arenas

[nimble jasper]

bgs

stomping noobs gets old

[undone pumice]

i play bgs

specifically to kill gnomea

[nimble jasper]

vulpera players exist

[graceful arrow]

@nimble jasper BGs are to make myself feel like not trash, RGBs are too suffer

arena is to get ROFL stomped one shot by a convoke during a stun

[nimble jasper]

i mean

your healer has to stop it

if they’re not crossed

[wet scarab]

I have yet to join a RBG group on alliance side in the last two months that didn’t feature a racial slur

[graceful arrow]

LOL

[undone pumice]

shoulda trinketted and popped every defensive cd in .2 seconds

[nimble jasper]

idk

bg players are

so bad

lmao

[graceful arrow]

It does feel good to spell reflect a starsurge tho

[nimble jasper]

last time i went into an rbg was on rogue early this season

killed some rsham through trinket wall ascendance

[wet scarab]

Do you actually have the presence of mind to predict a star surge to reflect it or is it pure luck

[nimble jasper]

reflect clone

[undone pumice]

reflect freeze trap

go bandage behind pillar

[elder wigeon]

bandage in arena poggers

[nimble jasper]

lol

[graceful arrow]

bandage gun ❤️

Miss it

[nimble jasper]

love hunters who just

drop trap mid of map

in cam

[sharp meteor]

have seen many a dh use nether then bandage

[undone pumice]

bandages in arena are pog

[sharp meteor]

i didn't know u could bandage in this day and age

[undone pumice]

i love reflecting poly and bandaging

[lucid walrus]

just annoying you need tailoring for it

[undone pumice]

or even eating

you dont

i have skinning and enchanting and i just bandage

[lucid walrus]

ah neat

[undone pumice]

30k heavy shroudee cloth bandages day of SL was a worthy investment

[lucid walrus]

christ

[undone pumice]

i just get cancer and die from dots tho

and bm hunters

[nimble jasper]

i just train healer

vs hunters

if priest

[undone pumice]

cant bandage if im dotted bro

[graceful arrow]

I currently just miss mortal strike self healing from legion after my last BG.....

[nimble jasper]

just do what badjeera does

q bgs with 4 pocket healers

flex on youtube andies

[lucid walrus]

INSANE NIGHT FAE FURY CRANKING BG DOMINATION 41-0!

[undone pumice]

mortal strike used to heal?

[lucid walrus]

entire team healers

[undone pumice]

h u h ?

[nimble jasper]

people who actually think

badjeera is good

[undone pumice]

i remember when my bg was entirely me, a rogue, a hunter. another warrior and like 6 rdruids

[sharp meteor]

queued into him a few times and he leaves so quickly

like i clone him as he charges, he trinkets, i have clone queued

and he just leaves

??

[undone pumice]

??

wtf

bajheera fake????

WHAAAAT

[sharp meteor]

i killed him on my rogue beaduse i thought it was a fan acc and he immediately left the bg while on stream akdsjasd

[undone pumice]

YOUTUBE CONTENT CREATOR FAKES VIDEKS NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE

[lucid walrus]

actually had no idea he does that lmao

anything for clips

[wet scarab]

Don’t let the sheeple know I can die

[nimble jasper]

insane 50-0 def no pocket healers

[sharp meteor]

to be fair that's how i get mentally in bgs without a healer on my warr but still

[lucid walrus]

numbers like those are pretty difficult to land without a premade or an undergeared enemy team anyway tbf

unless you get the classic graveyard farm running

[undone pumice]

i just

go fury in bg

[wet scarab]

Yeah bgs are tilting af without competent healers

[undone pumice]

haha healing go brrrrrreer

[sharp meteor]

just get pecked to death by shit like bm hunters from max range

[nimble jasper]

“its ya boy asmongold and today im gonna get selfplayed to glad by ssds and some random r1 healer”

[sharp meteor]

have queued into ssds so many times this season

[undone pumice]

fury in bg is funny

[sharp meteor]

usually playing with some fox rsham with glasses

[undone pumice]

u go deathwish and either 1 shot or get 1 shot

(you get 1 shot )

[nimble jasper]

isnt that his egirl xsaana

[sharp meteor]

idk who she is but that's the one

get into the game and it's like why is it bm hunter with rsham

wait why is the rsham a fox

[nimble jasper]

all the good rshams i know said orc is mandatory

“if i get kidneyed into sap one more time im gonna scream”

[undone pumice]

orc is mandatory on all classes tho

orc is BiS

[nimble jasper]

mostly vs sub

[undone pumice]

then probably tauren or troll

[nimble jasper]

sometimes if they’re bad you can hardcore greed

and hope they gap

its risky af tbh

i only greed like that vs low rated rm

if its an actual good rogue i know im not gonna be able to greed

[wet scarab]

I’m gonna keep playing my og nelf warrior forever and shadowmeld maledict

[undone pumice]

im going to

war stomp

the maledict

[wet scarab]

harsh

shadowmeld is so much classier

[undone pumice]

no

i stomp the floor

then i stomp you

then possibly your mom

but only after a date

[wet scarab]

shadowmeld is a classic blind date move

[nimble jasper]

you know i dont get it

why does meld stop psychic scream

isnt it just aoe around the priest

how does you being detargeted make it miss

[wet scarab]

oh does it? lol I had no idea

[uneven hemlock]

They cant scare what they cant see.

[nimble jasper]

well iirc you can meld targeted cc's

i.e kidneys and shit

and they go on cd and hit nobody

[wet scarab]

yeah exactly if someone is being scary you don't run out and flee from them, you stay hidden

[undone pumice]

why cant i intimidating shout when i want

why do i need to be next to soneone

[nimble jasper]

prob blizz rules

physical stun

[undone pumice]

cant i just

[nimble jasper]

as more powerful

[undone pumice]

scream louder

[nimble jasper]

erm

phys fear

[uneven hemlock]

You spook them and then their scream spooks the others.

[nimble jasper]

rogue is gonna be extra spicy 9.2.5

crit lego+kyrian+being able to play nelf with horde

[undone pumice]

just

[nimble jasper]

its prob stronger albeit you do become more suspectible to dying in mirrors

altho the extra offensive capability likely worth

[undone pumice]

wont every pvper swap to human now

[flat wing]

Oh btw, which enchant do we go for these days? Guides aren't telling me

For weapon that us

[undone pumice]

if possible

[nimble jasper]

no lol...

[flat wing]

Celestial or Sin?

[nimble jasper]

orc is stronger than human in this meta

tbh

[undone pumice]

what

[spice hornet]

When a rogue and mage open on you and the rogue bombs and the mage is busting just outside of the bomb and you can’t fear him

But not close enough to the bomb where fearing the rogue would fear the mage

And you just die

[undone pumice]

i meant why do i need target

to fear

[spice hornet]

Its a good question

[undone pumice]

just let me scream bro

[spice hornet]

I like when it has a target cap and fears 4 other demo pets instead of the other teammates of the enemy

[undone pumice]

challening shout into battle shout into intimidating shout

[wet scarab]

because with your focus you're screaming so loud that he just drops everything and cries while the others flee

[nimble jasper]

but yeah psure

hardiness with 2min trinket>human rele

in this meta

[spice hornet]

Facts

I was orc and now I’m human

Sometimes you need to wear trinket

So goodbye rele

[wet scarab]

so wait you can shadowmeld sheep for example before it hits?

[undone pumice]

u can spell reflect

[wet scarab]

well if you dont have it up

can you shadowmeld an incoming cast like a deathbolt?

to interrupt it for a second?

[elder wigeon]

you can meld it entirely

[wet scarab]

so it doesn't hit you at all?

damn

[spice hornet]

My favorite thing is when I press spell reflect but the fire mage presses his off gcd castable while casting spells fire blast to rip my reflect and I get polyd anyway :^]

Awesomely designed spec fire is!

[undone pumice]

cant u feign death chaos bolt and shit too

[wet scarab]

you use spell reflect in combust windows?

[undone pumice]

you use spell reflrct?

[wet scarab]

no I'm asking genuinely

is it better to reflect one of the offensive fire spells or hold it till the go is over and they try to peel with polymorph

assuming you live through it ofc

[nimble jasper]

generally reflect full poly is better

puts them in a bad spot

go’s prob over if you can press reflect while hes doing damage

[full quiver]

This happened to me for first time yesterday

Why the fuck are players not prio lol

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, eating a pyro or even just fire blast is good.

[undone pumice]

but that shit hurts

[wet scarab]

I'm doing some 3s with an MM hunter and disc priest and it's really good

I find I prefer playing with ranged than other melee dps

[undone pumice]

they can gun people down who u cant reach i guess

[lucid walrus]

hybrid comps are a fun time

[undone pumice]

rogue warrior cat

best comp trust

[sharp meteor]

kitty is so good it's unreal

[sharp meteor]

melee/ranged can feel super flexible

and is more fun in general imo

caster cleave stand in triangle, melee cleave zugzug one poor guy into the dirt

[broken schooner]

Anyone can point me in the right direction for tips and tricks for arms? Thanks 😊

[wet scarab]

it's not so much that they can gun people I can't reach as it is good level of healer cc, most games were over in under a minute, full offensive cooldowns from me and unhinged and he finishes them off

warriors die through dbts etc

[wet scarab]

yeah I like the lack of cleave capability on the opposing team and that they dont depend strictly on me buffing them for goes

it's also nice in that a lot of defensives can be sidestepped by different types of offensive spells

I usually dont expect warriors to die in first goes against melee cleaves but they drop like flies in this comp

[hasty fractal]

Hi all, trying necro in rbgs for the first time tonight. I was Kyrian with max crit, is haste more important for Necro? Using Enduring Blow for necro. Thanks

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't matter as much as you'd think, play what's more fun for you personally

haste is very good with enduring though

[sharp meteor]

uh they both have their ups and downs

people making both work although

they benefit from different comps, matchups, playstyles

[robust hearth]

...almost there

[hasty fractal]

necro with EB, I can go 21 crit/9 haste or 18 crit/11 haste, probably not a big deal either way

[twilit flax]

anyone play something other than orc?

As arms

[full quiver]

Gnome

[twilit flax]

I like the fem BE animations don't @ me

I only spec I like BE on other than windwalker

[lucid walrus]

something something jmorph something something 6month

[twilit flax]

It feels like they put their whole body in the swing

Literally

Just do a class trial ull see what I mean

It feels satisfying

The male orc does have good animations too tho

But it's more like half body into it

And everyone else is like swinging on the coach

Throwing food at Biden

[warped warren]

human female

[twilit flax]

they look good in gear but dont have that full body oomph

i should make a video comparing im just too lazy

[sharp meteor]

fem human and either sex of orc

[twilit flax]

they just do a full send with the over power

[sharp meteor]

yeah but belf in plate

[twilit flax]

lol

i think they look cool other than the skinny legs

not male belf i hate male belf

[main copper]

I see, sounds like something a secret male belf admirer would say.

[raw summit]

Female orc is cool

Ill Rock male once tusks

[twilit flax]

haha na i just dont like the 'lean back'

if they ran and moved like female belf i would like them more

i just feel like ur forced to play orc

[nimble jasper]

kind of are

unless rogue/druid then you can kinda play nelf

[twilit flax]

i meant for war

i play troll mostly

my hunter and priest

priest cant even be orc so

[nimble jasper]

yeah really dont know if priest theres a big diff with races

[twilit flax]

my mage is a trol ltoo

stun not as big of a issue with mage

[sharp meteor]

panda is sick

[lucid walrus]

apparently panda priest is big

[nimble jasper]

for shadow yeah

i think healers generally dont

[twilit flax]

hunter def should have it, but i troll hunter is too good

[sharp meteor]

undead for fear break as healer

[lucid walrus]

bro but the 1% pet damage on orc

literally trolling w/o dude cmon

[nimble jasper]

yeah was gonna say human prob meh

[sharp meteor]

also panda animations are so cool wish they were king for more classes fk

[nimble jasper]

since you need to play trinket vs rmx

[sharp meteor]

gonna make third warr panda probably

[nimble jasper]

generally

[lucid walrus]

panda war name?

[sharp meteor]

legendary

[nimble jasper]

idk

dont alliance rmps

complain about double orc is broken

in mirror

[twilit flax]

troll only one with unique bow animations

and they look so badass in male

if u can get over the feet

mail*

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, the lankiness really lends itself to archery.

[nimble jasper]

dont locks have an easier time healing their pets

than hunters

lmao

[sharp meteor]

I thought male troll with a bow was sick.

fem troll so rigid and shitty

[twilit flax]

yeah i dont go fem on my hunter, sometimes il switch to fem on my priest just for a change

theyre casting animations arnt too bad

[nimble jasper]

orcs are just

too wide

in some mogs

[twilit flax]

i wish they would do some work on the models

but small indie company so idk

[nimble jasper]

everything is modeled on fem human

thats why they look good in everything

[twilit flax]

i think most races 'look good' in gear

its more about the physics of how they move and their animations that throw me off

like nelf shoulders lol

when you jump you can see their underside

[nimble jasper]

female?

[raw summit]

Orc floating shoulders

[twilit flax]

if they fixed up female night elf that would probably be my fav

their just too stiff

[nimble jasper]

lmao

[twilit flax]

tight like a nun

[nimble jasper]

male orc

[sharp meteor]

-bounce bounce- =3

[nimble jasper]

chiropractor

made their shoulders float

[raw summit]

Bis race is nelf

Cuz of the jump

[nimble jasper]

yeah

also idle animation

[raw summit]

Boing boing flip

Flip boing flip

[twilit flax]

i wish they didnt book their belly out

[raw summit]

[twilit flax]

like chiropractor was pressure in middle spine

asking foir payment

[nimble jasper]

female orc better

[sharp meteor]

Hm. Elysian or Enduring into frost tsg?

[twilit flax]

but overall nelf very nice

[nimble jasper]

my rogue prob goes nelf once cross faction

[twilit flax]

most of my ali are nelf nad human

[sharp meteor]

Also 13 of the 16 games i played this evening had a kyrian druid

!!

[nimble jasper]

didnt really care about pvp on it this season so went back belf

fuck me fem orc rogue looks bad

lmao

[raw summit]

Agreed

Bit scuffed

[nimble jasper]

fem orc looks good as plate/mail

[sharp meteor]

fem orc rogue looks okay-great depending

[nimble jasper]

leather kinda meh

[twilit flax]

orc curves

[sharp meteor]

green skin looks kind of scuffed in a lot of edgy rogue sets

i wanna be mag'har but no hardiness

[nimble jasper]

also idk why but

for some reason i think the elite set from tos looks meh on orcs

but the magetower recolor i dont mind on them

[sharp meteor]

i dislike the colors

[nimble jasper]

is it just the colors

[sharp meteor]

i hae the black/red one

[nimble jasper]

🤔

[sharp meteor]

which i love on panda

and human/nelf

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk why but

i like the red black more but i swear

it looks worse on orc

than the magetower colors

[twilit flax]

the rogue gear look good on male human

they also have biggest dagger

the akaris are giant

[nimble jasper]

uhh psure

fem belf has had the biggest dags

[twilit flax]

they have my fav evis and enevenom animation too

[nimble jasper]

since 7.2

[twilit flax]

its like a full body spin

impact major

[nimble jasper]

cant remember last time i saw male human

on live its fem orcs or fem nelves

then tbc its just undead undead undead

[raw summit]

Female orc + glad Set + lfr Voror bedge

[twilit flax]

yeah the orc racial should be nerfed imo

[nimble jasper]

thematically i dont like

orc warrior

[twilit flax]

12% reduc

[nimble jasper]

with swords

as much as axes

[twilit flax]

not enough heft

or haft

i wish we could be the blood trolls

[raw summit]

Nah

Ew

They gotta eat more

[twilit flax]

eat what

they drink blood

a 10% mass increase would be good tho

maybe 15

[fickle forge]

Can we just be vrykuls already

[sharp meteor]

gotta make do

also if they do more races it'll be pixie elves or something

because velf was 3% the effort of kul'tiran for 20,000% the play rate

[fickle forge]

Damn these roleplayers

Are my chunky bois not sexy enough for them?

[lunar crow]

What you think about covenant for amrs warr at 9.2? what will be meta now i have only necro on 80 renown but kyrian seem pretty good shoul i go farming?

[fair sequoia]

When does the season end

Currently 1800 in 2s and 1600 in 3s from the start of the tier. Thinking of trying for my first 2.1k now that I killed sylv. Thinking of playing Necro too. Kinda seems fun

[knotty tangle]

No-one knows

Push that shii

[elder wigeon]

Kyrian will more than likely be the best cov overall, necrolord being niche for certain comps

however looking at what's getting buffed and what's getting insane tier sets, My money is on kyrian being above all best

NF is still kind of a meme, and with the nerfing of death sentence, venthyr is just falling further and further behind in pvp even if there's cool interactions between sinful surge and enduring blow

I won't discount that it's possible venthyr will be the best because it's happened before, but execute just has way more finishing power and with DK's looking a lot stronger in 9.2 (condemn is very bad into them) I just don't see it right now

but it doesn't really matter, we're not locked into one covenant anymore like before, quite literally can swap to whatever's best instantly

if you want to be best prepared, get Kyrian, venthyr and necro to renown 80

[fair sequoia]

Yeah I played kyrian to that rating and loved it. Wanted to give Necro a try since I’m currently leveling it. Venth is next. It’s around 44 iirc. Was big hyped for sinful for raid and ended up flopping.

I think kyrian is going to be insane across the board for all specs

In all content lol

Thank you for the wonderful write up btw

[elder wigeon]

just general thoughts I've been having since seeing a lot of content regarding it, i have no hands on testing but i have seen some videos and have read a lot of patch notes and applying it to how the meta is currently

[undone pumice]

as long as ur not nf ur fine

[iron basalt]

do we know approximately when this season is going to end?

[warped warren]

yesnt

[raw summit]

Odds are it ends within this year

[rugged turtle]

do we know what legendaries are good for arms warrior pvp in 9.2? im trying to get into pvp and i want to craft my legendary thinking of 9.2 already

[mild pier]

Honestly it's better off just saving your crafting resources until patch drops if you're really trying to do the meta shit

[rugged turtle]

ye might be for the best, just going to try some pvp and see what's it about, thanks man

[sand shadow]

@rugged turtle yes, we do

It's mostly Enduring

[rugged turtle]

enduring+venthyr is it good?

[sand shadow]

Venthyr is probably the only one I'd like to test for myself more to decide, but probably the best regardless, yes

[viscid panther]

enduring is an arms legendary

[sand shadow]

Yes, it is

[rugged turtle]

thanks guys, maybe ill give it a shot

[viscid panther]

wait im in pvp

[sand shadow]

Venthyr is unlikely to be meta in 9.2

quite unlikely, even

[viscid panther]

how the fuck did i end up in pvp i dont even have this channel open normally

sorry guys ignore me lmao

[sand shadow]

its ok ❤️

come talk to us from time to time, we're nice people

people flipping out that Necro won't be good in 9.2 are wrong, I am 99% sure of it

the necro leggo is not as bad as people think, and Necro is so strong baseline already

obviously Kyrian has a perfect covenant-specific leggo

so both will work splendidly

NF is obviously if you want to play 1shot memery w/ Unhinged

[fierce elm]

@viscid panther you dumbass LEAVE

[viscid panther]

i already left until you pinged me you dumbass

smh my head

[fierce elm]

[viscid panther]

typical pvp brian

[fierce elm]

[viscid panther]

:dandersoo

[craggy socket]

Why are rogues such little pussies

ohoooh im gonna hit you and then run and hide

[scarlet barn]

@viscid panther

what happened to you

Why are yoiu here

Is everything okay?

[viscid panther]

@scarlet barn i dont even know how i got in here, pvp normally looks like this so i would have to click twice just to get here http://puu.sh/IHP3Z/c0cbd5b094.png

[scarlet barn]

Strange indeed

[keen aurora]

yo guys, im asking if i should fleshcraft at the opening of the arena ?

[rugged turtle]

should i spend my conquest/honor now or save it for 9.2? i have no idea how any of this works

[white briar]

Either right as you enter the arena, right after the gates open (just need to finish casting after they open), or not at all if you want to be an edgelord.

Getting a flesh back quickly can be pretty valuable so there's an argument for doing either. Also depends what you're facing etc.

If you always fleshcraft after the gates open, you're definitely not doing something that is ever very stupid.

[fierce elm]

Conq/Honor reset for 9.2 @rugged turtle

[rugged turtle]

okay, thanks

[ember rose]

@viscid panther pog fury pvp gaming

[flat wing]

not sure if honor resets

my warr still had the honor i gained in 9.0

[jagged cedar]

i figured to do it as soon as you load in so its up earlier in the fight. is that not the case? haha

[white briar]

The shield goes down by a certain percentage if you flesh before the gates open. Not sure what the exact number is but it's something like 2/3. So you get to choose between a flesh that is 66% that comes back in just over a minute or a flesh that is 100% but comes back in two minutes. It's tradeoff to be sure.

[jagged cedar]

oh wow i didnt even realize that lol

[nimble jasper]

i only flesh after gates open vs double dps

[sand shadow]

There are tradeoffs in both cases and neither is universally better

Sure, you may think you want a bigger Fleshcraft (it's not that much bigger) vs say, a Rogue Mage, but then you also probably would like to have a 1min CD to immune a CC, etc

[full quiver]

people who flesh after gates open are tryhard cringe nerds

[keen aurora]

didnt know that thanks for the tips

[nimble jasper]

altho for rogue mage you can argue gates open isnt that big

since good teams the mage likely will break your flesh

before they go

[plain wing]

i dont get mages that do that tbh

wouldnt it be more value to be able to get saps off

not being in combat

and like cant u more easily cc that mage if they come out insta... like even if they go you, your druid can clone the mage over and over and de sync the rogue and mage gos

[nimble jasper]

i mean

heres the problem with sapping healer going dps opener

you typically leave a gap in the time before the dps gets stunned

and man just pre runs/walls the opener

🤷‍♂️

[plain wing]

Ive never NOT had a rogue/mage open me

and tbh im like 1/6 on that comp

shit happens so fast

[nimble jasper]

like

[plain wing]

never know what to hit or when

[nimble jasper]

anytime i q into rogue mage on monk

and they’re stupid enough to do that

just rop once the sap lands and now the rogue looks stupid when he cant recheap

and thats a terrible matchup, warrior has a much higher rogue mage winrate chance than ww

ww should die 99% of the time rogue mage 2s

[nimble jasper]

a more common opener used by better ones is typically

rogue saps kill target while mage db sheeps the other guy

now neither can preemptive use

[mortal elm]

how do you start doing pvp in a 210 ilvl fresh char?

i mean i can hit 1800 with my warrior probably but was thinking about doing it with my shaman before patch hits but but its gear is not that great

[lucid walrus]

click join arena probably. suffer til you get both trinkets. can send conq boxes to shaman if you have any conq left on war

[mortal elm]

was spend a bucn of conq for conq version of trinkets

[undone pumice]

any left over cat currency intk boxes

[mortal elm]

but ill try to send some

[undone pumice]

and to your shaman

[strange rivet]

So to clarify, most ARMS warriors run 2H and are rolling Kyrian for next season? I main Mage/Boomie and 2 days into Warrior

[nimble jasper]

dont think you can play 1handers as arms

kyrian and necro are the common two, its comp dependent

ret war and kitty are the common necro picks

and kyrian typically with wizards

[undone pumice]

venthyr will be dead in the water come 9.2 and night fae has alwags been dog

[mortal elm]

will?

its already ded

[undone pumice]

its gonna be deader

[plain wing]

inb4 venthyr buff

[sharp meteor]

venth buff would be neato

i think nf just doomed to be underwhelming tho

[plain wing]

yea NF is the big one for PvE tho

id say warrior has one of the better balancing acts for covs

[lucid walrus]

kinda like how top cov has rotated with each season

even if kyr & necro are tied rn

[sharp meteor]

ya necro rework was great

venth sadly fell behind off armor and execute/op changes

nf good in pve, the aoe ground thing especially cov legendary just seems bad in most pvp settings

MAYBE in rdruid tsg

[lucid walrus]

why rdruid specifically?

[nimble jasper]

vortex

[sharp meteor]

vortex keep people in the slam area

although i guess rsham also works

grabby totem plus dawyne

i have queued into a few nf warrs and their slams were big but never got much aoe value

fdk only spec i know that could really lock people down in it

[lucid walrus]

ah

[sharp meteor]

just trying to figure out which healer of mine ill grief next season on my third warr which will have to be night fae

[elder wigeon]

Use a hunters binding shot to lock them down

[sharp meteor]

LMAO that's an idea

queued into a goblin mm kfc the other day very annoying

then a mm jungle playing necro with a kyrian feral

tedious

it not breaking on damage is just so weird

[warped warren]

nf isnt even that bad

[mortal elm]

pvp is so weird you waste some rating to find a decent partner but like finding ''A partner'' takes so long

[sharp meteor]

that's why it's nice to have regular people to queue with

so you aren't rolling the dice finding new people constantly

[mortal elm]

I had two from lfg

but they are not responding :S

and they queued without me

:S

:S

[sharp meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hello-elmo-rise-elmo-hell-gif-9112913

https://tenor.com/view/fire-eyes-elmo-hell-gif-17595895

Oh, dear.

[elder wigeon]

9.2.5 will be a big breath of fresh air, it'll be really nice not having the faction barrier for pvp

[sharp meteor]

Right? Only took them fucking years.

Everybody I know is gonna go nelf/human, lmao

[elder wigeon]

i mean, it makes sense that some alliance/horde members are friends

people who nerd out and say it breaks the lore don't know what they're talking about

[lucid walrus]

tauren are homies with about everyone

[sharp meteor]

I think they're faction pride boomers who either don't play or only do random bgs

[lucid walrus]

even roleplayers wanna see it

[elder wigeon]

lol guy who said that is a multi r1

[sharp meteor]

shit should've been cross-faction since like 8.2

i don't even know where they were going with the faciton stuff in bfa it got shitcanned n'zoth came in then curtains close

[elder wigeon]

should've been cross faction in mop

[sharp meteor]

what a mess

yeah

[elder wigeon]

earliest it would've made sense

[sharp meteor]

people were so mad about pandas during mop it was insane

[elder wigeon]

yeah not my favorite thing about mop but whatever

the art and music was phenomenal though

[sharp meteor]

i remember everything about mop being fun except a few early scuffed pvp things

[elder wigeon]

extremely nostalgic for me

[sharp meteor]

mop was just fun idk

[frosty delta]

Apparantly you will be able to attack people inside same party out in the open world before going into an instance? Haha there will be some trolling in lfg, summoning cross faction to merc them, lol.

[sharp meteor]

i used to sliver up on mechagon island then list a group "rustfeather up wm on"

[mortal elm]

started leveling ally toons already

[sharp meteor]

setup a hunter and warr recently on alli because i figured they'd announce cross faction for 10.0 and a bunch of buddies would wanna get setup now

now they just need to gut hardiness so i can play panda or goblin in peace

[elder wigeon]

kek

if they gut hardiness then human is just flat out the best

if they gut hardiness then human is just flat out the best

[mortal elm]

I mean im kinda pvp noob but cant see hardines being out that good

most cc i have been strucks wre poly cyclone disarm etc etc most trouble ones

was not stuns

most cc i have been strucks wre poly cyclone disarm etc etc most trouble ones

[sharp meteor]

20% reduced time in stuns is so good that it pushes literally every other race off the table

orc knocks every other racial off the table

on horde rather

[frosty delta]

Would be cool if cross-faction makes server forums come alive again, the shit talking used to be primo

[lucid walrus]

the only one you actually die in out of the ones you listed is disarm. being able to turn a 7 second kidney into 5.6 is nuts

[sharp meteor]

both defensively and offensively like sitting 20% less stun is more dam than any dps racial lmao

[lucid walrus]

was mentioned the other day that it's good for classes like shaman too so they don't get sapped off kidney

[twilit flax]

Buff orc racial

35%

[lucid walrus]

sephuz

simple as

[twilit flax]

Buff orc racial. 35%

Yes

[frosty delta]

Remove straight back orc

Fixed

[undone pumice]

just

let people pick the racial

[twilit flax]

Gul'dan has entered chat

[undone pumice]

straight back orc is so cursed

[twilit flax]

Straight back orc sent straight to the Gul'ag

[undone pumice]

no like

all the shoulder pads float like an inch away from their shoulders

and the animatiosn dont feel right

remove chripractors from wow pls

[strange rivet]

are most ppl rolling kyrian for arms next season?

or is necro fine

right now is 65% necro

[sharp meteor]

is it

[strange rivet]

?

[sharp meteor]

idk possibly

glory looks underwhelming

[strange rivet]

what's your xp on war

in pvp

and what's glory

[sharp meteor]

2940 on kyrian this season 2850 on necro i think

necro cov leggo

which as baseline

is underwhelming relative to elysian

right now kyrian looks like the best overall pick but necro could also be good/fine

[sand shadow]

The best thing to do in such a case, is to "tank" your MMR. You're already shit-geared, you probably care more about getting the gear to allow you into an upper bracket than your CR, so just lose on purpose. You can then mow the pepegas on low MMR even with dog gear. Tried & tested, btw.

[sand shadow]

Mortal Strike, Execute, require 2H. You run 2H baseline.

[craggy socket]

Is there a macro that will do baldestorm and if i press again itll cancel?

[sharp meteor]

yeah but really just bind /cancelaura bladestorm into other abilities

mashing bladestorm and instantly cancelling it isn't great

[sand shadow]

yes, something like

[scarlet barn]

/cancelaura bladestorm

[sand shadow]

#showtooltip Bladestorm
/cast Bladestorm
/cancelaura Bladestorm

the 2nd press ough to cancel it for you

personally, I have a second bind for this, that also has BoP, BoF, HoTs, etc in it, that also cancels BS

[scarlet barn]

Or bind that macro to other keybind

Like charge

Or interupt

[strange rivet]

is necro lord the first soulbind/char?

[sand shadow]

If you PvP, you also want a /cancelaura Bladestorm worked into your Pummel

[strange rivet]

kyrian is the 3rd?

[mortal elm]

what happens if server shutdowns

while on a match

[full quiver]

You don't want cancel bladestorm on bladestorm

Just put it on every other dam ability

[mortal elm]

enemy healer just hiding invis

XD

[full quiver]

You want to be able to spam the blarstorm button without canceling it

[sand shadow]

@mortal elm both lose, a draw

[mortal elm]

why druids are so fast

goddamn

[sand shadow]

@full quiver makes a good point, a separate cancelaura button is preferable

[sharp meteor]

because their kitty conduit doesnt have an icd

[sand shadow]

@mortal elm outside of form, they still get 15% baseline speed if Feral Affinity, in addition to the Conduit

[sharp meteor]

and yeah cancelaura bladestorm in everything, like intervene, pummel, bolt

[sand shadow]

• mvmnt speed gems

[mortal elm]

I mean yeah

[sharp meteor]

everything except storm itself

[mortal elm]

we both revived partners

then enemy plaa one shotted us

XD

i found a paladin teammate tho which is nice

necro simping paladins on 2v2 is nutz

[strange rivet]

is necro lord the first soulbind/char & kyrian the 3rd?

[sand shadow]

@strange rivet Do you mean Plague Deviser Merileth Soulbind for Necro? Then yes

for Kyrian, it's a choice between Pelagos and the Owl guy (Mikanikos)

[strange rivet]

idk names man

new to war

[sand shadow]

both are really good

[strange rivet]

ok

[sand shadow]

Pelagos is more offensive, Mikanikos more defensive

[strange rivet]

can someone look a my set up?

[sand shadow]

I can look at it

[strange rivet]

i guess i don't need to do campaign?

sent you FR

[sand shadow]

You don't need to do the campaign, no, you just need to send the level 40 Renown item to your alt warrior from your main (if he's Renown 80)

from thereon, you just need to farm out the rest until 78 (iirc)

[strange rivet]

yeah, i've got the 200 conduits

[sand shadow]

to get the maximum value

[strange rivet]

and 40 renown

now just do the content i want to do?

[sand shadow]

renown 78 iirc is the last empowered conduit slot for Merileth

[strange rivet]

don't worry about campaign, etc?

[sand shadow]

No, ignore campaign. Do world quests, weeklies, Torghast, anything that can grant you Renown

(like M+, Raid, Rated PvP)

For example, each world boss (both old and new (the Mor'Geth guy or wtv in The Maw)) is a minimum of 1 Renown

[strange rivet]

so should i just do torghast for my lego?

totally forgetting all of this

i'm now 46 renown

200 conduits

228 ilvl

[sand shadow]

The best thing to do to catch-up at this point, is to spam RBGs.

Since you won't get invited in RBGs at your ilvl, though

unless you have friends that organize them

[strange rivet]

can you jump in acall

[sand shadow]

you can do Emissaries

Weekly Korthia Quest

both World bosses

the Return Souls Covenant quest

the weekly 1K Anima quest

and thats about it for the "freebies". The rest is farmable by spamming Layer 9 Torghast, but that's dreaful.

meanwhile, try and drop your MMR to horrendously low levels so you can farm literal pepes in arena and farm Conq/Honor

[sand shadow]

You can ask here so anyone else not aware can make use of the information

[gloomy beacon]

Epic bgs and bgs are great for renown also, arenas kinda suck for renown 😦

When I was grinding up 2s games after swapping necro had about 50 wins and only gained 3 renown points…

Nothing will be as great as comp stomp 😦 forever missed 🕊

[sand shadow]

can confirm, Arena can be quite bad for grinding out Renown, but at least you're combining all 3 in a single activity: Renown, Conquest, Honor

[gloomy beacon]

Yea true at least you can also gear up lol

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I usually go 40-58ish just doing a few things like soulbinds world bosses etc

then finish the rest doing epic bgs for honor to upgrade gear

and if i finish that early then torghast for a few hours

[thick reef]

how is arms looking in 9.2

[lucid walrus]

strong

[thick reef]

out of all melee?

i like big numbers (Crits)

how much is execute hitting for on ptr

[sharp meteor]

all dam lower initially

idk full gear

[elder wigeon]

arms isn't going anywhere

intervene is still too op

[craggy socket]

Does shattering throw break fleshcraft, lock shield or monk bubble

[twilit flax]

I swear all I get in lfg is just rogues lmao

I could write anything

6 rogues will sign up

'lets get some w's'

[elder wigeon]

depending on the size of the shield and whether or not you're playing demolition, yes it'll do a lot of damage to the shield or break it completely

[lucid walrus]

rip demo overkill

[elder wigeon]

don't need it

but it was funny

[lucid walrus]

for sure

[sharp meteor]

It deals increased damage to them as they're absorbs, yeah, and can outright punch through them.

I'm not really sure when to play Demo as often lock teams have played into warriors trying it a million times.

[elder wigeon]

i like demolition into non warrior mw/lock comps

[knotty tangle]

Why non warrior

[fickle forge]

Disarm

[fickle forge]

Still remember when we were abusing the fk out of shatter and locks would make a /cancelaura Dark Pact macro

[scarlet barn]

But it was win win for warrior anywaay

[elder wigeon]

intervene too

i like fishing for disarms with demolition actually

it's like an extra cooldown

[fickle forge]

I meant, you'll have to pick disarm over demo

[elder wigeon]

if it's warrior lock shaman I'm killing that fuckin blue

[warped warren]

now they just top healing meaters with their shield

[elder wigeon]

if it's WLD, well then get ready for a damp game

[lean island]

I have just reach 60 with alt war and spamming epic bgs for honor, for gear faster better cap 15k for 9.2 or use it now?

[cedar silo]

We dont know if 9.2 is in 3 weeks or 8 weeks. Bank honor when we have a release date. Until then, just spend

[lean island]

Ok thanks

[warped warren]

honor is reset regardless on patchday

[knotty tangle]

Conquest is, not honor?

[warped warren]

both

[lean island]

Oh really? Can u link info plz?

[nocturne night]

Is DH,Warrior, resto druid viable?

[warped warren]

or maybe it stays, cant remember. maybe its because its quite useless til a couple weeks into a season anyways

[scarlet barn]

It gets reset

[terse sigil]

how is honor useless. such a bottleneck

[warped warren]

you can upgrade one piece of cq item a week start of season