Press hots+cen ward, turn you character backwards, press num lock
#pvp
wet scarab
oh I didn't realise you could disarm them that way
I might have accidentally done it a couple of times but thought it was a bug
sharp meteor
sort of risky because u do int the ability if they turn around
whereas monks it goes right through regardless 
left gulch
In going ask a dumb ass question hope y’all don’t mind
Where the hell do I find this fury warrior necro macro for one shot
nimble jasper
press n to respec arms
sharp meteor
what would u even macro together
wet scarab
it's probably a macro to combine avatar, warbreaker, banner and bladestorm
you can only combine avatar with one of those and you shouldn't
the only way to do it is a cast sequence macro I think
mortal elm
how do you find a heal outside ofg
lfg?
lfg sometimes takes 1 hour
to find 1 duo
i would be 1800 if i didnt waited for a duo tbh
rather than sitting on org
wet scarab
you dont, you add people you enjoyed playing with in LFG to bnet and play again together
mortal elm
damn
wet scarab
im surprised you can't find partners on horde, I main alliance but would switch every now and then and never waited longer than 2-3 mins as horde
sharp meteor
u find somebody in lfg have an okay or good sesh then add them and queue again whenever u can
left gulch
I can heal you to that if you are horde that’s easy
tranquil hemlock
No healers
Even at 2100 where I’m at
Orc warrior on tich still difficult to find partners
It’s a rough life most of the time
mortal elm
im surprised you can't find partners on horde, I main alliance but would switch ...
low ipo
io
left gulch
What Guild you in on horde tich
tranquil hemlock
None
left gulch
Elite horde has some dope healers
tranquil hemlock
I’ll have to take a look, I literally just sit in lfg. I get games sure but for the most part it’s a little rough
left gulch
Most of us are 2100 experience players
tranquil hemlock
I’ll hop on can you invite?
nimble jasper
Even at 2100 where I’m at
were you only looking for 2100 cr healers
tranquil hemlock
No I play with much lower mostly tbh
nimble jasper
i generally didnt care and just free queued lmao
tranquil hemlock
Usually 1850,1900
left gulch
I will heal ya on disc or rshaman
nimble jasper
got a few healers duelist this season cuz was bored and wanted to queue 3-4 games on monk
now that char is somehow 2280 cuz i said in my head “ill go till we lose”
proceed to 7-0
….
bruh moment
tranquil hemlock
I float between 2k-22 not a glad player by any means
nimble jasper
yeah some chars i dont mind as much on
tranquil hemlock
@left gulch yeah I’m down to play
nimble jasper
i tilt pretty easily queueing rogue tho with someone besides one of my reg healers
or a mage thats decent at least
i think its just more sudden plays felt like they mattered more, like getting an instant dispel that would land a kill
or fear off something if playing with a priest
tranquil hemlock
i only play war, i dont really care about rating i q whatever.
i just wanna play lol
twilit flax
or a mage thats decent at least
Imagine playing the easiest class in the game and being bad at it lol
nimble jasper
You’d be surprised
the skill floor for mage is slightly higher tbh even though its one of the strongest singular classes in proper hands
arms and bm are prob the lowest skill floors atm
arms has a high ceiling tho but bm doesnt
twilit flax
Maybe for like brand new players
But if ur at least okay
Fire mage easiest
Spammble cc, great defensives, instant brainless burst
nimble jasper
i mean arms and bm are both easier for low end play
twilit flax
Warrior is more reliant on other team mates like your healer dispelling roots etc
nimble jasper
someone who actually knows how to play proper though yeah its so strong
twilit flax
BM horrible defense
twilit flax
A 3 min Tuttle, sac and Surv fitest
scarlet barn
Bm is so easy you just pve people down
sharp meteor
their mobility and feign are kind of their only ways of dealing with stuff
warped warren
Imagine playing the easiest class in the game and being bad at it lol
you dont even have to be ok at mage to press db sheep and combust
scarlet barn
twilit flax
Craven is pretty good yeah
sharp meteor
100-0'd a hunter midair before he could feign 
twilit flax
Yeah but u put the same person in a 3s match
And they are completely lost
In 2s anyone can play BM
warped warren
BM horrible defense
max range perma slow perma bw is a pretty good defensive tbh
sharp meteor
yeah priest and feral play the game bm just has to not int
twilit flax
Fire mage literally spam poly you don't even have to look at ur screen
warped warren
And they are completely lost
nimble jasper
i mean its still harder than what bm hunters have to do
twilit flax
Fire blast Pheonix pyro
sharp meteor
not inting for a trap is hard sir
twilit flax
Someone dies
nimble jasper
wdym yolo throwing a trap max range
and complaining it misses
game’s fault
clearly
twilit flax
You could literally play firemage to glad with a bot
It's that scripted
Some comes near u, bot novas
raw summit
the bot wont pepega though
nimble jasper
i mean you can bot all 3 of the big comps
twilit flax
Sensing cc being cast hits CS
raw summit
the mage noob can
twilit flax
Senses rogues cds
twilit flax
Pops vust
scarlet barn
twilit flax
Ok but when the enemy team responds you need to stay on them
twilit flax
Try and run from a fire mage lmao
nimble jasper
wouldnt miss traps
twilit flax
Fire mage just almost just as much burst as ret
twilit flax
Man I could right novel on why fire mage has been the easiest spec for the last 2 expansions
I could right a saga longer than game of thrones
Write
nimble jasper
i mean we’re talking at the low end
raw summit
rogue remains difficult
nimble jasper
fire is definitely easy to pepega up
raw summit
based spec but disgusting comp
plain wing
@twilit flax wut... you wouldnt hit both fire blast and pheonix back to back in combust hahah
twilit flax
You have better players sitting at like 2700 rating
nimble jasper
its the same shit
plain wing
youre saying its ez and you're not even right on their rotation hahah
twilit flax
Then u have all the ego mages playing for R1
scarlet barn
Man I could right novel on why fire mage has been the easiest spec for the last ...
Do it
I will read it
nimble jasper
oh look
nimble jasper
he procced kill shots
problem with fire is its too easy to set up cc
3 schools
db sheep
disgusting
plain wing
you give fire mages way too much credit thinking they need to press 2 buttons before pyro.. haha. They just need to spam fireblast into pros
pyros
since combust = guarenteed hotstreaks
plain wing
my 10k slam crits say hello
twilit flax
I have almost 200 days played on my mage
I wouldn't talk shit if I didn't believe every word
plain wing
lol
plain wing
yea i was a mage main before going warrior
scarlet barn
I have almost 200 days played on my mage
That says nothing tbh
plain wing
and i think casters in general are just harder in pvp
raw summit
depends
twilit flax
If u compare current arms to mop arms it's laughable
plain wing
like melee cleave comps into mage.... I have nightmares of just getting focused and not being able to get much off
twilit flax
Mop arms was true king
scarlet barn
Lol
scarlet barn
Mop had every class having everything
raw summit
i wish i played mop sadge
scarlet barn
Why even compare
nimble jasper
getting a reacharound by the devs
scarlet barn
Smh
twilit flax
I remember capping my arms war on my dad's 2005 laptop withha touch pad
twilit flax
Back in 2012
nimble jasper
ever
twilit flax
Every class was very self sufficient
nimble jasper
thats the thing
you can argue now only classes with complete kits
warrior
and maybe spriest
sharp meteor
rogue
twilit flax
Warrior nah
twilit flax
I'm glad they brought back sub but it is a bit toxic
I am maining mm hunter now
Before they nerf it to unplayable
And I have to wait another decade (literally)
Just to be A tier
Except legion, mm was okay I'm legion
plain wing
lads the question is..... do i send my 5k conquest into boxes for my ret or hunter
nimble jasper
blizz be like
plain wing
i feel like hunters are scum of the earth
twilit flax
Hunter man
nimble jasper
scatter trap is unhealthy
raw summit
ret sucks :)
nimble jasper
db sheep exists
raw summit
lemme put it like this
twilit flax
Just don't play BM and ur cool
twilit flax
MM skill cap is one of highest in game
plain wing
bruh idk if its just cuz im terrible.... but i was fighting an mm/priest comp is 2s last night, the hunter just solo's my druid, and I'm stuck in endless cc to the point where I cant play the game..... trap, scatter, root etc
was pretty rough
vs hunters i freeze up for sure
raw summit
bs the root intervene heal
twilit flax
MM hard counters arms warrior
raw summit
binding and get pelted
raw summit
pet sac is so disgusting
twilit flax
Na pet sac has been a core part of hunter
nimble jasper
i remember running into zsteezy on monk
twilit flax
How hard would it be for blizz to let u pick ur pets special lty
placid whale
are there 2mounts?
plain wing
arrow?
placid whale
for pvp?
nimble jasper
resonating arrow
plain wing
ohhh
twilit flax
Kyrian mm won't be so popular this season
nimble jasper
i mean venthyr just seems the best
twilit flax
More necro cheese and venthyr sustain dmg
twilit flax
It's actually pretty solid if u can do that type of playstyle
MM DMG is high enough even without cds
Or kill shot procs
So it's not that bad
Alot of the necro.were playing scatterplay but after spreist nerf might now work anymore
plain wing
if i struggle with arms in pvp, and feel overwhelmed/im tunneling.... Idk if playing MM as an alt is a good move.... as you said. Fucking such a high skill ceiling
jellybeans seems all fucking time.... he looks ahead like 3 moves
raw summit
playing less of the thing you are learning cant help
plain wing
like jelly is the biggest of brains.... dude will know when the enemy is about to do
nimble jasper
pika’s been around since cata psure
nimble jasper
got his first r1 in malevolent
plain wing
i mean wasnt pika r1 at like 13 years old
nimble jasper
when he was 12
raw summit
like jelly is the biggest of brains.... dude will know when the enemy is about t...
experience experience experience experience experience
plain wing
i remember sodapoppin bringing his name up when no one knew about him yet, and being like this kid is isnane and only 12 years old
raw summit
nothin else
nimble jasper
if you watch the vods
of pika dillypoo thug in mop
you can hear their pre puberty voices
heh
twilit flax
jellybeans seems all fucking time.... he looks ahead like 3 moves
He does but he's also Mained hunter forever
Tbh being good at hunter is all about ur awareness and how much sleep u play on
U have to do many small things on hunter that equate to big ting
Ret pally is a good alt
raw summit
a good ret can do very many cool things
twilit flax
People underestimate the power of sleep and performance in arena
raw summit
elx in arena yes or no
twilit flax
Playing sleep deprived could take you froma r1 player to a duelist level player
Cause you can't react or observe
raw summit
oh so thats one less factor to blaim 
twilit flax
It's almost like being drunk
raw summit
i got the name zugzug on my realm though so im motivated to grind again
playin arm mw with a friend
twilit flax
Zuggzugggg
sharp meteor
yeah being intoxicated sleep deprived or just anxious in general really deteriorates your ability to play
scarlet barn
Or anything
raw summit
i didnt chose zug life, zug life chose me
scarlet barn
In your life
raw summit
true
sharp meteor
yeah true
twilit flax
It's hard for ppl tho cuz they go to work then they come home and wanna play
plain wing
yea because of this game ive been getting 5 hours of sleep max the past 2 weeks
i feel like absolute dogshit all day long
sharp meteor
yeah that's just it a lot of people queue after long day
twilit flax
i didnt chose zug life, zug life chose me
Zug life we be struggling out here
scarlet barn
i feel like absolute dogshit all day long
We told you to take break though
plain wing
i can take a break now
sharp meteor
or my partner has weird schedule and can only get a few hours in here and there
scarlet barn
Then def do
plain wing
lol
sharp meteor
diff time zone
scarlet barn
I mean it in genuine way man
raw summit
Zug life we be struggling out here
yea 
i just wanna pve some priests down
scarlet barn
Not as a meme
plain wing
I appreciate it man, thanks for looking out
raw summit
take a break and recharge batteries
scarlet barn
Indeed
plain wing
dont wanna get rusty is the only thing
plain wing
yea, get a couple nights of 8 hour sleep sounds niceeee
scarlet barn
Or as much as you feel like
raw summit
what could be good is loggin off after finishing 1 slot vault for the week (day 1) knowin you need to do nothing
just bedge
twilit flax
But then you wake up middle of the night yelling zug zug
raw summit
sleep well friend
scarlet barn
Healthy bench
raw summit
you a real one
twilit flax
Because it seemed so real
mellow pivot
I play warr/SP/Rsham with friends and my SP keeps dying. What should I intervene? When should I intervene? Should I fear defensively instead? We're having a lot of issues with keeping him alive and I went warrior because he kept dying when I played an unholy Dk, but we seem to have the same results either way
raw summit
anboni made a pretty neat video on sp surival a while back
maybe that helps
ok less recent that i thought but prolly still relevant
(tldr is press shield on cd )
mellow pivot
Nah he does the right things I think, I'm the one who's not properly peeling for sure
elder wigeon
do you ever get stopped by intervene?
sharp meteor
if he does the right things then he wouldn't be dying
or he'd know how to direct you and the healer
but have plan as to what you're going to duel/disarm and fear
intervene is weird because casters can use to get casts, including a fleshcraft into physical kicks, like retwarr
but just during enemy goes to peel some of the damage as long as it won't put you in a bad spot is usually how you do
finite fox
is that pin in this channel from the 28th for PvP specifically?
lucid walrus
ya
finite fox
does anyone know if we will try and run any set bonuses of tier?
lucid walrus
there's not really a "try". supposed to be able to get them thru arena
finite fox
yea its about a 48% chance in a vault to get a tier piece but i was just saying i didnt know if the loss of vers would be ok because not every piece has verse
mellow pivot
@sharp meteor I'll try that. Thanks a lot!
sharp meteor
Good luck. Spriest has a lot of buttons, but it's important that you are kind of layering or rotating through stuff and avoiding overcommitting. Better to overuse than outright die, though.
nimble jasper
@sharp meteor this game i swear
2.3 mmr rogue mage puts me on double sheep dr right before i go to ding his rogue who doesnt have trink
sharp meteor
thinking about the time i whiffed my spear on numbing when he was stunned and pre-altered and pre temporaled the go
and we killed him through all three of his health bars
spice hornet
i have killed him 100-0 by accident sometimes
with my partner
arcane is just too squishy
spice hornet
lol
thats how it should be
the speed boost from caut also lasts way too long and is too fast
just mage tingz
sharp meteor
setting up alt warr the other day and priest mind gamesd mage while our third was in poly and i just 2-tapped the mage
no caut always surprises them
caut, and shield leggo
gloomy dock
Rmp s1 was actually busted
sharp meteor
still the best comp
nimble jasper
rmp rn is actually worse
sharp meteor
hpriest buffs soon
gloomy dock
I mean s1
sharp meteor
i mean s1 killed u in under a second at one point
pyro meteor was like 80% of your health instantly
then ER did 30-45% by itself
gloomy dock
Pretty sure the rogue didn't need to equip any gear
nimble jasper
if the mage couldnt hit you, should be ok
sharp meteor
have had a great time just running at rogue recently
nimble jasper
going mage is bad if you dont have spam purge imo
sharp meteor
definitely how it feels
mystic barn
I always go mage even without purge and just cleave rogue
twilit flax
Going rogue has always been the play
Since RMP was invented
Especiallyyyyyyyy if you're a melee
twilit flax
Hot take
nimble jasper
melee healer into rm in s1
"yeah just 1v2 them for a good minute while i wait on cds"
sharp meteor
yeah once you're on stun dr rogue running for his life
between vanish, defensive duel, step to partner, grip, mage poly spam, etc, it's annoyingly slippery though
nimble jasper
how good your mage is at gatekeeping enemy team while he re's also kinda big
....which isnt hard tbh
sharp meteor
just feels weird that games vs rm can last like 8 minutes
nimble jasper
i just cringe beating rm teams on monk especially though
it's like.....free win as long as mage sheeps sweep goes
warrior is like...decent in the matchup
sharp meteor
I think I've only ever had one super good game into rm otherwise it's just fine and we slowly rotate through stuff
sharp meteor
they do usually immediately after somebody answers their bust go
nimble jasper
depends on mmr ig
nimble jasper
idk how a 2.3 rm doesnt
pre their kill target
or swap sheeps for more cds
zzzz
sharp meteor
it's like they have a plan to cover all three targets
thenthey'll send bust and whatever
and expect that target to trinket
then it's immediately onto next target
rotate a cc over or w/e
VERY annoying
rogue has two steps as well so hard to space
nimble jasper
the lower ones dont do it for some reason
nimble jasper
get trinket one target
spice hornet
shadowstep should nt have 2 charges
nimble jasper
swap sheep
spice hornet
actually insane
sharp meteor
two charges step dance
lucid walrus
does holy play haste?
nimble jasper
get cd from healer too
sharp meteor
also most rms im queuing into now try to fake goes to bait our rdruid out
real go = incap, and if they don't setup real go then shaman and i 2v2 the mage/priest
lucid walrus
update: yes they do according to murlok. that'll be annoying next seas w/ more stats
more ranged stun farming woooooo
nimble jasper
unless its jungle then that matchup is uhh
yeah
you can eat mage or rogue as jungle it feels
@sharp meteor as someone said
sub hpriest rmp is honestly like bfa assass rmx
sharp meteor
yeah hopefully queuing the jungle next season one of my healers wants to play priest 😇
nimble jasper
cuz realistically
nimble jasper
you’re waiting for the chastise fear on target1
and sheep on target2
then stun target 3
sub is the spec orc feels most impactful vs tbh
sharp meteor
yep
nimble jasper
ret is like ehh
sharp meteor
it fucks with how they have to use globals
nimble jasper
its danger regardless
sharp meteor
so they hit for much less
nimble jasper
if orc or not
sharp meteor
sephuz orc necrolord
nimble jasper
lol
sharp meteor
it's fine they never go me anyways
nimble jasper
i do wonder when 9.2.5 comes
is it gonna be double orc rmp
or orc mage nelf rogue
sharp meteor
hmm not sure
nimble jasper
double orc prob safer in mirrors from dying but
2nd vanish just gives alot more offensive power
lucid walrus
ally rmps complain a lot abt queuing into horde mirrors ya
nimble jasper
so likely better into every other comp
lucid walrus
i'd think nelf rogue as well
nimble jasper
idk how impactful undead priest is in mirrors
i guess you have trink for fear and still have your reg trinket in 30?
spice hornet
not sure, god bless those galaxy brain rmx players
nimble jasper
in b4 its an assa meta
spice hornet
making the comp work against all odds
nimble jasper
making the comp work against all odds
whaazz’s team 3.6
nimble jasper
only thing that surprised me about it is
warped warren
also most rms im queuing into now try to fake goes to bait our rdruid out <:keks...
🤣
warped warren
does holy play haste?
yep
buoyant wraith
best cov for pvp still venthyr??
floral ingot
Killed a 2.7k sp in 2 globals 
Mortal combo is so busted
Imagine conduit doing more damage than the actual ability
warped warren
happened to me once or twice
wheat jay
Well maybe if he used his 92% all directional dodge defensive he would have survived
Especially when big angry warrior has a banner on his back, and looks like he's made of stone, all gray and shit
And he used big stomp
warped warren
Well maybe if he used his 92% all directional dodge defensive he would have surv...
ackshually cant dodge from behind
warped warren
you have to be directly behind them or its scuffed
fickle forge
DH has 360 dodge
wheat jay
@warped warren see
2 against one now
You havent played against any dh cuz noone played it on your mmr when you got glad xD
Now its 1/2 of games
warped warren
2 against one now
2 1500 game glads 
fickle forge
Eyo don't get started prot pala lover
warped warren
says the cringehunter
wheat jay
Did I?
warped warren
Artji really has entered a new phase
this might even be a worse arc than duelistji
wheat jay
I said the same thing in my duelist phase
warped warren
wheat jay
Nothing will be worse than duelistji arc
fickle forge
In the duelist phase you claimed to know a lot
In this phase it's "lol you play X, cringe, get it with a real comp loser"
fickle forge
wheat jay
In the duelist phase you claimed to know a lot
In this phase it's "lol you play ...
But both were in duelist phase man
Smh
wheat jay
Cyclone is the only problem, survival is hard and is not that strong, my healer was nf druid so its not meta like necro
Did I miss anything?
low sparrow
We know what cov looking like the best for the 3v3s next patch?
fickle forge
Gonna have to peer into the crystal ball for that one
We'll have to wait and see unfortunately
buoyant wraith
best Soulbind for arenas as Venthyr?
raw summit
Nadija imo
lean island
Someone have try double war + heal? Is viable?
main copper
Guess answer would be to what rating?
lean island
Guess answer would be to what rating?
Low 😁
warped warren
Cyclone is the only problem, survival is hard and is not that strong, my healer ...
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
mild pier
Someone have try double war + heal? Is viable?
Anything is viable up to 1800
elder wigeon
Right now you can get r1 playing any comp without 2x of 1 spec
Fury warrior may not be up to the task but nobody is trying to do it
warped warren
50% winrate 
scarlet barn
The phase of entitlement
Either you die a hero....
elder wigeon
3k is still 230pts from r1 at least in na
full quiver
Cyclone is the only problem, survival is hard and is not that strong, my healer ...
what the fuck?
is this satire
wheat jay
🙂
orchid leaf
Hey, are there any pvp communities or discords I can join to try and find some partners?
mild pier
Hey, are there any pvp communities or discords I can join to try and find some p...
Honestly lfg is your best bet
Just keep queing with people and if you do well just ask if you can add them.
foggy cypress
What's the best way to deal with aff/shadow or aff/frostmage in 3s?
Running Arms Ret or Arms WW and im getting completely roasted.
--
Am I being a dumb dumb for not having the spell reflect legendary?
fierce elm
Interrupts
sharp meteor
we have just been wailing and running on deathborn and soul
it's remniscent of bfa destro where if they commit before you do then just run away for a minute
also cycle stops on iceform frost bolts or unstable affliction (as well as dispel)
graceful quarry
guess whos back
sharp meteor
--
Am I being a dumb dumb for not having the spell reflect legendary?
it feels nice into some matchups as necro
foggy cypress
it feels nice into some matchups as necro
Ive been Necro for a few weeks. Cause I whiff on a out 30-60% of my spears. And that sucks hard.
Floating around 2100. And get roasted by dh/moonkin and affliction comps.
sharp meteor
just always spear into cc
ideally stun but at least piercing
or warbringer
also had the most success going rsham in dhboomie although i do play with an enh shaman so he can cover goes with grounds/shears to stop clones
and aff often feels like it's in their hands because stuff like rdruid splay feels impossible if they play well
aff feels like bait in lot of situations tho just too slippy
raw summit
For playing with a MW covenant shouldnt matter, right?
robust hearth
wat leggo do necro arms wars use in 3s? ive been using the 1 where ur MS has a chance to apply warbreaker is tht the right 1?
robust hearth
https://i.gyazo.com/c79659c01fb40e12fc646c7865945e81.png
wat add-on is tht?
sharp meteor
wat leggo do necro arms wars use in 3s? ive been using the 1 where ur MS has a c...
enduring in general, misshapen vs some wizard stuff, potentially sephuz vs cc heavy and/or low uptime, unhinged with kyrian druid potentially
honestly can probably just send enduring every game
robust hearth
so wat would u recommend cuz tryna get my buddy to 2100 i never really liked arenas but we plan to push glad next season for the first time.... right now we been yo-yoing between 2k-2.1k CR in 3s and we just been doing it without comms
he plays necro survival
should i just swap to kyrian?
sharp meteor
being able to coordinate properly is useful
robust hearth
we already sync naturally without comms but ya i know we def going comms next season
gusty zinc
Is it still looking like kyrian is going to be the way to go with the next patch and double Legos?
sour turret
Hey everyone! new warrior and looking to go necro, am i correct in think I can only get the enduring blow memory from skoldus hall?
sharp meteor
You can run endless until you get the right wing, I think.
sharp meteor
Is it still looking like kyrian is going to be the way to go with the next patch...
Probably. Necro should still probably be okay? Depending on synergies.
sour turret
ah nice one cheers! would it take ages? i despise torgh
and do u get soul ash from it?
robust hearth
u just go in and if its not the right 1 go out and go bakc in till its the right 1
sharp meteor
No soul ash. It's doable on lower wings, I think, so it shouldn't take too long, but can't remembe the exact process.
sour turret
callllm cheers
robust hearth
the first 3 levls are the same hall
gusty zinc
You can get it from the korithia research guy but it's a random memory.
That's how I got it. Ran that shit forever and it never dropped
robust hearth
thts the dumb way
sour turret
torghast on a warrior seems painful haha, so at least you dont need to spend ages on it
robust hearth
like i said keep entering and re-enter twisting corridors until its the right hallways
gusty zinc
Yea it wasn't ideal
robust hearth
u dnt need to spend ages... lol?
u enter the first level if its not skoldus halls u leave re enter and when it is skoldus halls u only need to do the first 3 layers kill the boss loot it and go away
sour turret
ye ye get u now, i was just wondering as i've never done it before, so kinda assumed that you would have to spend a while in there just because thats how blizz operate
floral ingot
ye ye get u now, i was just wondering as i've never done it before, so kinda ass...
You do need to spend like 40 mins
Cause it only drops from twisting lvl 3 or higher
So you gotta do 36 layers before trying
elder wigeon
Torghast is pretty easy as warrior
sour turret
eek im at floor 13 getting 1 shotted
guess i will wait for skoldus to come on the rotation
eager oracle
You reset it immediately if it’s not the floor u want
sour turret
i got skoldus first time round but boss didnt drop memory, and the guy said i need to do level 3+ to get it
elder wigeon
You roll till you get the wing you need and kill the boss on floor 6 and leave if you don’t get it
Do twisting corridor at layer 3
mild pier
I still can't believe rets can't burst you through an 8 second disorientate and it doesn't break it
lucid walrus
i still can’t believe rets
sharp meteor
hm idk they feel kind of propped up by aarms
sharp meteor
ret seems fine
lucid walrus
yeah they’re fine alone. warr support is just what makes that comp egregious
wheat jay
Ret is busted when paired with warr
lucid walrus
imo cupid doesn’t feel nearly as bad to fight for example
wheat jay
Cupid is annoying
sharp meteor
yeah because while an arms warrior has duel disarm intervene fear etc hunter players like "bro i literally can't help you man" as he sacs himself
plain wing
i think im like 1/8 for rogue mage comps
in 2s
fucking panic push everything
rogue proceeds to run
raw summit
just play by the script
plain wing
2nd go im bye bye
plain wing
JuSt PlaY By tHe ScRiPt
raw summit
yea sorry, ik it doesnt help
plain wing
i end up panic pushing disarm, parry, everything haha
fear
have no idea of what to push first
main copper
Me and Priest both trinketed the opener and then I got chain poly'd they got a real good reset.
I managed to spell reflect a sheep by good fortune and then mongo killed the rogue in a spear.
I don't feel we deserved the win at all but will take it 😂
Is cheat death a talent? It didn't proc at all.
plain wing
yes it is
main copper
Imagine no cheat death v Warrior o.O
He shadowstepped to the Mage and died to my ranged execute
It bugged out and didn't charge so he probably would of lived.
plain wing
yea ive noticed the charge doesnt work on my ranged executes quite often
just will hit them from far away instead
against rogue mage, if you get a rogue out with bladestorm, whats your best course of action? Immediately open, or disarm them? Run to mage if they pop combust and fear both?
Feel like i never know what to do first with that comp
elder wigeon
getting a rogue out of stealth is hardly of any consequence
elder wigeon
they have two dances and is a stupid short CD
thick reef
what makes arms better at pvp than fury? serious question
lucid walrus
d-stance, parry, lower cost on ignore pain and a few others
fury's defensives are miserable
elder wigeon
utility, consistent mortal strike and sharpen, D stance, better defensive CD like parry, ignore pain being cheaper and easier to fit into rotation
thick reef
ahhh makes sense
lucid walrus
fairly sure enraged regen got even worse since SL because of how BT heal got that base nerf
elder wigeon
nah enraged regen adds 20% to BT heal
plain wing
@elder wigeon so immediately disarm?
lucid walrus
15-20% heal at most iirc not counting mortal strikes whereas it would've peaked at 30 before
ah gotcha
elder wigeon
you can immediately disarm, however, they're free to dance after especially with blades
I don't try to bladestorm them out of stealth unless the opener from the mage can be stopped and i can use the bladestorm to immune cc and get an intervene or disarm off after a go has started
but that's mostly a 3v3 thing
main copper
Fought a Fury in one of my 1900 games today. Felt like being hit by wet fish tbh
I didn't go below 50% once
I just tunneled him
lucid walrus
fury can shit damage with covenant burst since they'll count as class abilities but you're not especially scared outside of it
bannered fury or enraged AA can hit pretty hard despite being memey
lucid walrus
can enrage beforehand and buff every tick basically. no clue if its base AP is higher
plain wing
yea my brain cant just comprehend rogue/mage 2s
lucid walrus
yea my brain cant just comprehend rogue/mage 2s
tldr is both of you trinketing the same go is your cue to mentally afk
plain wing
like if rogue opens me, then mage combusts... i have to immediately trinket and pop parry and LoS mage if out of range of fear?
elder wigeon
they can only kill you with stuns and cooldowns, you're not gonna just die to random damage
main copper
I just slap the rogue and try kyrian spear him when he goes for the reset.
elder wigeon
you can leap at the mage and fear them
plain wing
yea thats what i mean @elder wigeon ... theyre kill window is fucking insane.. and all stress goes into that 10 seconds or whatever
so If they go me, i should always trinket for the mos tpart
elder wigeon
play with an Rsham and rogue mage isn't hard
sharp meteor
yeah rsham/arms eats rm at least 99% of them
plain wing
Like if rogue opens me.... and mage is holding combust for a few seconds, do i just immediately press parry? Then when mage combusts leap to fear?
sharp meteor
dwayne the rock beats the shit out of the little cringe rogue behind a pillar
shears and ground fuck over the mages ability to control you with poly
plus purges
plain wing
or just LoS mage? So many options
but then if i use both parry, trinket, and fear on the first go
im pretty much dead
on the next
cuz i got nothing
raw summit
Like if rogue opens me.... and mage is holding combust for a few seconds, do i j...
if there's no bust and heal isnt ccd you can consider just sitting it
lucid walrus
blades by itself isn't usually that scary
elder wigeon
Like if rogue opens me.... and mage is holding combust for a few seconds, do i j...
dance only is not a big enough CD, if the rogue uses blades, you can trinket disarm them, if they trinket then stormbolt them
I'd also play battlemaster versus rogue mage
elder wigeon
if you're kyrian I'd play mikanikos for the auto-stun and auto-phial, if you're necrolord make sure you have a full fleshcraft on you and playing merelith
plain wing
life it was just the rogue i could handle it better
like mage combust could still kill me when i disarm or stun rogue
elder wigeon
if a mage is blowing you up with combust, you're probably going to have to trinket reflect leap and fear them if they trinket you can stun them
if they block the bolt then just bm rally and stop the rest of the cc on your healer
sharp meteor
Oh, and a reminder with fleshcraft but if u do it as/after the gates are open it'll be bigger which can eat more of their opener
it's not pre-nerf big rally flesh that was 60k but it's still dece
plain wing
like if rogue and mage open, rogues uses blades and dance, and rogue uses combust, I trinket disarm, then stun if needed, but the mage still gets the kill on me
elder wigeon
the rogue mage is trolling hard if they bust and blades in the same go because you can live through that
plain wing
how tho?
raw summit
healer cooldowns (ulti sac ie) or that
plain wing
but if healer is cc'd
raw summit
then ur cds
lucid walrus
you'll have a healthpool that starts with like 8 or 9 if you're pressing bm, rally /and/ wall
plain wing
bm?
raw summit
battlemaster trinket
raw summit
gives you temporary HP to sponge some hits
elder wigeon
use it
lucid walrus
worth consideration if you have the conq & honor
plain wing
just against rogue mage?
lucid walrus
does your healer not have keybinds
raw summit
if they get blinded on trinket and you dont have urs that sounds like a GG go again
plain wing
yea exactly
lucid walrus
was just ab to post a before n after
plain wing
like if on 2nd go, when they have cd's back, I wont have trinket so I get hard opened again, healer has to trinket a poly or whatever
then rogue just follows up the trinket poly with a blind
gg
plain wing
so like on opener (first go)
If i trinket I have to use pretty much parry and rally and everything right?
should i ever not risk it all and just use parry or whatever for instance
i can usually live first go, but after that i die
lucid walrus
hilarious
elder wigeon
you don't have to parry unless it's both CD's
plain wing
both as in blades and shadowdance?
feel like im just as confused still haha
like i get i have to use a defensive
but we have so many + fear etc I dont know what to use and when
between parry, disarm, fear etc
rally
i end up like using all of them first go half the time
lucid walrus
best case use for fear is shutting down both if they're dumb enough to stack. this doesn't mean only hold it for when that happens
plain wing
cuz i die to combust+rogue cd's 100% of the time
lucid walrus
when they've popped*
plain wing
like majority of time i'll either get rogue out with bladestorm (proceed to not know what to do
or they'll both open and me and get kill
if not 1st go, 2nd go.
Like I get i have to use defensives and if me and my teammate both dont have trinket we dead
but other than that
no fucking idea
Like if they both go me, whether to fear first, or parry first, or to just use rally etc
so many options, no clear script
sharp meteor
queue 3v3 where rm is still the best comp but quite a bit more easily managed
plain wing
or fuck, just parry after trinket and leap to mage and fear
(proceed to trinket(
then im out in the open and i have to rally?
no idea honestly.
just seems like a shit show
tbh
raw summit
There isnt a rule that says thou shalt leap + fear
You can also intervene towards your heal at a pillar
For example and los the mage
plain wing
so how the fuck do you know what to do in a case to case scenario haha
raw summit
By playing it and trying all the options out (leap away/towards here)
plain wing
like when do you usually parry/ disarm in a rm match
tbh ive only one liek once against that comp
and i def didnt play it well
just luck
raw summit
By playing it and trying all the options out <:okayge:917646812519739433> (leap ...
Dont need to Experiment if u Pop parry on go's or not
lucid walrus
ayyy
raw summit
you love to see it
sharp meteor
that feel when u parry and the rogue step dismantles it instantly
spice hornet
rogue shouldnt have gotten dismantle back
plain wing
dismantle is just a disarm yea?
spice hornet
ya
sharp meteor
Yes, as far as I can tell it's just Warrior disarm. Rogue can step disarm, though.
plain wing
what do u mean
sharp meteor
It isn't "weird" like monk or mooner disarm.
Former being ranged and going through your parry, latter being magic.
plain wing
ohhh so youre saying its a good thing when a rogue disarms during parry gotcha
cuz it doesnt go thru
sharp meteor
i am saying u can parry it ya it behaves basically how ur disarm works so if you're wondering about weird interactions just think of your disarm
the only oddball thing is rogue has access to step which means a highly reliable means of getting behind you
you parry, they step-disarm and your parry is gone
sharp meteor
Also important to remember that you can parry kidney (unless they step) and cheap always goes through parry.
Yep.
plain wing
wait wait wait
i didnt know their disarm can go thru parry
or if you were behind u can disarm etc
or that cheap goes thru parry
wtf
i thought 100% parry meant 100% parry regardless of positioning
Ive been thinking u could use parry offensively against warriors and other melee to prevent incoming stuns and disarms to get a kill etc
sharp meteor
You can disarm other warriors of their parry, too. Usually it's when they're mongo chasing your teammate and offensively parry while ignoring you.
Semi-unreliable though, as if they turn as it goes through (wow has a bit of a delay) then you get parried. BUTTTT it's possible. Rogue is just handy in that regard because they mash disamntle step and get it 99% of the time
frosty delta
Its like sex panther
mild pier
It's 100% parry but you can't parry from behind
So like if you're chasing a healer and the other teams dps is training you from behind parry won't do shit
sharp meteor
Have disarmed many an enemy warrior as the kitty cleave chases my mw around a pillar.
mild pier
oof
sharp meteor
still lost because kitty into mw
undone pumice
dh and warrior are the same class change my mind
sharp meteor
warr is more symbiotic
sharp meteor
hmm
elder wigeon
warrior is not parasitic lol
spice hornet
when playing kitty
do we go mage or rogue
itno rmp
im actually so fucken tired of not playing WPS and getting literally annihilated through all CDs
by WPS
just kills through parry d stance ip
sharp meteor
queuing into wps as necro with a mw priest just eats the axe for a few minutes then their shaman is oom
spice hornet
sharp meteor
rdruid melee cleave into wps feels SO BAD LMAO
double spear double unholy nova uwuwuwu hots ripped off insta
elder wigeon
do we go mage or rogue
rogue
sharp meteor
so scary to be ran at by feral on rogue because mage can't poly them 
low gulch
Yo can someone explain why even when I pop warbreaker, avatar, and banner, and (allegedly) get sudden death proc (or just execute in general), my executes will hit for an average of like, 17-22k and not the outrageous numbers others are usually seeing? I’m in full 259 duelist gear
sharp meteor
30-40k is when u have everything and they pressed nothing
can be 50k+ if u have a kyrian druid
low gulch
So it’s not a skill issue on my end if I am lining up all that shit at once and still not hitting 30k+?
sharp meteor
Usually when u have all that stuff up they'll have walled or something
low gulch
Alright because I see guildie mfs in my CR (2100) pulling off 30k executes on average with this shit and I’m wondering if they’re just lucky, matching with shit players, or if I’m just dookie
lucid walrus
no
lucid walrus
played some wps and my sp was adamant about “just go war” and sure enough he died
elder wigeon
TL;DR vs WPS, don't stack if there's spear, kill psyfiend asap, duel the priest on their damage, play disarm for the warrior, pray
uneven turret
fuck, i bought the warglavies and upgraded to duelist for mog, then realized i cant 😫
mystic barn
it works for anything you specifically can equip even if its not for ur spec
so like agility 1 swords or a staff for whatever reason for warrior
sharp meteor
is that sweeping strikes?
Usually sweep and spear dot ya
or just tab dinging it if it's low
nimble jasper
doesntit only take like
1 mend pet
and minor healer attention to top it
i swear you cant kill hunter pets with passive dmg vs any team with a brain
sharp meteor
games super fast very easy to lose focus
sharp meteor
whoa there's 6k people above 2400 whack
sharp meteor
LOL yrsh