pvp

[soft canyon]

so I have 1 gcd to react and reposition myself before my healer gets one shot?

[warped warren]

no

[elder wigeon]

No, if the ret is smart he will pop wings, get cc'ed, then be free to use all his charges, but if you use your CD's and such when he uses his stacks, you'll stop all of the real damage

it's like dueling a ret when he tolls to half the judgement damage and any subsequent damage when it's his real kill attempt

[tawny elm]

coming from a pve background i just cant understand how many pvpers can keep track of their own CDs without having some kind of centered weakauras (or buttons). 😦

[cedar silo]

Many dont, but a lot of players are very good at timing things relative to eachother

"this is my second storm bolt, so avatar is ready for next go"

"I used parry for his Bonedust go, so i need something else to answer it in 30 secs"

shit like that

[mild pier]

I think it just comes down to practice. After hundreds or thousands of arena matches shit starts to just click probably

[fickle forge]

Once you learn the script of PvP, it really just becomes a game of chess where you think ahead of your opponents

[mild pier]

Someone else said that like two weeks ago and it was the best advice I’ve ever got on this discord. Probably the reason I was able to hit duelist

I feel like just learning all the other classes and what to look out for is the hard part for me

[warped warren]

GM Kargish 3.7elo

[fickle forge]

5k mmr soon

[tawny elm]

i guess. but couldnt you argue the same for very experienced pve players as well?

[mild pier]

Yeah definitely

I mean you have to be practicing the correct thing though

[languid swift]

Noob question but in pvp bgs can you not mark your healers with icons they way you can in dungeons, i seem lose mine a lot in the thick of action

[raw summit]

You can afaik

[eager oracle]

Your CDs don’t change in pvp? You just have to track sharpening and banner now ?

Is DH/arms/Druid viable? Still pushing 3s rank but that seemed to go pretty smoothly

[young loom]

should fury use 2 1h or 2h for pvp? debating whetehr to drop this 1.8k conq on one weap or two lol

[mild pier]

I think any cleave comp with a resto druid is strong as hell rn

[warped warren]

2handers

[young loom]

kk ty

[dark leaf]

Enduring Blow or Unhinged for Kyrian 2nd leggo in 9.2?

[sharp meteor]

depends on matchup imo

also what you're playing and general gameplan

i am excited to play unhinged because turbo usually blowing people up in a go

[trail coyote]

Insane how many boosters are at low Elo just running in for the combat proc and then /afk

Going from 0 to 1300 cr and it’s happened 4 times this morning lmao

[sharp meteor]

my little mage had a winrate of 0-500 at one point because i just used to tank my buddies rating

also queued into a warr who was 80-1100 or something at 2400ish

which was different

[trail coyote]

Lmfao that is insane

Haven’t done that since mop

[cedar silo]

Got my 2.1k to a team of glads doing that

anti climactic

[trail coyote]

Lmao big gz

[cedar silo]

Always get a little pumped facing people on glad mounts, even though 80% prob are someones 8th alt

but nonetheless

[cedar silo]

ty dude

[sharp meteor]

ya 50 wins above flat 2400 in 8-10 month seasons and being acc wide means u see lot of glad drakes especially late

casual audience mega demoralized this expac

[fiery walrus]

hello guys, im kinda confused about weapons

what should I pick, sword with crit/vers or axe with vers/mastery

and depends on what?

[tough compass]

crit/vers always

[fiery walrus]

it doesn't depends on what covenant i'm actually? sorry, today feel kinda noob

[trail coyote]

I literally had somebody make a level 1 on Tich and whisper me saying I'm a boosted glad because I lost a game on my at the time 235 ilvl warrior LMAO

[tough compass]

Theres really no covenant you need mastery on. The crit weapon got patched into the game in 9.1.5 so some people cba farming the crit weapon up at this point

[full quiver]

anyone have a WA that highlights hamstring on your bar if you don't have it applied to current target

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah people get all unhinged when they see the mount in their games

even if ur on a 220 ilev alt

[fiery walrus]

fk, i recently updated my vers/mastery to rival II, ahhh what a shame

[sharp meteor]

most people have grabbed the crit wep but there are plenty of high mmr players just using mastery

[fiery walrus]

ahh oh

[sharp meteor]

like smexxin runs exactly zero crit as kyrian and is 3400

[fiery walrus]

oh men, dont wanna to change my weapon and farming a lot of honor to dat :/

[fiery walrus]

oh nice, gonna check his gear

[sharp meteor]

use anything it all works

[tough compass]

you dont need to change, it doesnt matter alot. Just focus on your other items first and if youre done you can still farm up the crit weapon

[sharp meteor]

one guy was even running full mastery

at like 2700-2800ish

[fiery walrus]

holy molly

and what about that haste? i know that haste is the last priority stat

i saw a month ago that Karanze has like 1-2% or haste

not sure if its good ir idk

[tough compass]

Some people play haste because the globals are shorter which comes in handy to dodge things liek disarm with bladestorm

[sharp meteor]

wym i know that haste is the last priority stat

if anything it's probably the most conservative/safe pick

i have come across most stat setups aside from the mastery guy because that does look funny

[plain wing]

tips for spriest/ lock 2s games?

seem like they rock me

[sharp meteor]

pve the sp

dispel soul rot as that scuffs deathbolt go

ignore lock they're bait and will never die

[plain wing]

dispel meaning interrupt?

[sharp meteor]

no ur healer has to dispel soul rot

[plain wing]

ahh

[sharp meteor]

as that's generally when bolt comes out

[plain wing]

yea pally def not doing that

[sharp meteor]

if it isn't then it's still their "go"

dstance/ip/rally and/or parry if he doesn't because that 25-40k hit stings

but yeah pve priest they crumble

[plain wing]

so its deathbolt i should watch for?

thats their go?

[sharp meteor]

no it's the setup leading up to deathbolt as deathbolt itself is too fast

[plain wing]

just with fade, lock gate, and disperse

kinda tilting

[sharp meteor]

sit on hands for fade, leap gate, sharpen dispers

[plain wing]

ok

thanks

im still tilted by this combat rogue / mw monk game last night

fuck me

[sharp meteor]

LOL ya that is torment

rogue takes no physial dam and can't go mw unless they int

and two disarms xddd

[plain wing]

bro

everytime i pressed anything

id get cc'd or disamred

or evasion

like i'd sit in a full kidney

then icap

incap*

then disarm

in that case, do i just have a super small window to kill / need to save trinket, stun, and bladestorm for one big go?

and chain bladestorm with parry offensively so i cant be stunned / disarmed?

[sharp meteor]

idk my mind just goes blank in 2s these days

maybe win maybe lose idk idc

[plain wing]

haha

fair enough

i beat a rogue/mage team last night atleast... that felt good

i got him out with bladestorm as soon as i saw my healer sapped

proceeded to not know what to do with rogue.... what should i do once i get him out?

Pop stun and cd's?

or with that comp should i pop just warbreaker into stormbolt hoping he trinkets and vanishes etc?

and save avatar/ banner for next go?

[sharp meteor]

mage feels bad because they're super durable but rogue means that mage just polys you while he runs

so it kind of depends on healer play and spec i think

like rsham spam purge runnin gat mage is brutal

rock ele also keeps rogue from getting ree

[full quiver]

you can kill mow low rated MW in the opener

by leaping, bolting them ontop of their port, and blowing every CD

[sharp meteor]

u can kill almost everybody below duelist in opener

or on second warbreaker

just fish for sd proc prior to sending it

[full quiver]

especially if you're spear

and you spear them on the port lmfao

[sharp meteor]

and yeah max gas pedal throws a lot of wizards off

or mistweavers

[full quiver]

MW defensives are basically it's mobility

and if the person is bad they won't do it right especially under a lot of pressure

[sharp meteor]

throughput and mobility ya

but they susceptible to being kicked because they have to cast

so they rly like having a little breathing room between them and other team

because i know if i push in and my sham can get shears on them for free that it's always just over

oh and what i have done recently with kyrian and rdruid is that i just spear bolt first go

then bolt almost off cd and my healer vortexes them out

so no dr

and we just kind of cycle like that

[thick reef]

Haven’t played in like a year-kyrian now considered better than venth?

[sharp meteor]

i thought kyrian was better before now it's definitely better

necro comparable with specific comps/matchups

kyrian bis in general imo

venth fallen off bigly

[fiery walrus]

actually play as kyrian

really worth

i really think necro works but u need and specific comp like self decrepating warrior says

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/quelthalas/Artoriaszx this is my actually gear

[sharp meteor]

like they're both fine as general picks it just seems like kyrian more versatile as to what wants to play with it, and how it can play

so many games on necro that i wish i had pin to stop an enemy melee cleave go

literally just fling spear and retwarr/kitty sits there for 8 seconds

[craggy socket]

Interesting

So you would say Kyrian with the Kyrian lego for LFG?

Also which looks more promising for 9.2 new to warrior about to craft a lego

[fiery walrus]

kyrian leggo all the way

because this is the way

[craggy socket]

Sounds good Ill do that. Too many necro bois anyway

[thick reef]

What’s the kyrian Lego

I miss venth. Zugzug

Oh Elysian might?

[scarlet barn]

Yes

[sharp meteor]

Yep. I have an Enduring if it feels like I can't get any value off spear, like vs shadow/rsham, but just play EM in every matchup.

[craggy socket]

Wait so what lego are you guys playing? Kyrian with elysian is the best for just making 1 lego?

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

Elysian Might every game.

Necro a little more flexible; Enduring for throughput, misshapen to keep teammates out of CC, maybe Sephuz into high cc matchups

Have also seen some people play Unhinged

then like 1-2 people playing signet

[steady tiger]

running necro + enduring in 2's with rdruid

on murloc some people running haste/vers others running crit/vers

which is best?

[sharp meteor]

murloc?

[steady tiger]

i thought enduring was haste but some show crit

[steady tiger]

ranked leaderboard

[sharp meteor]

haste in theory means more mortal strikes, and enduring procs

[craggy socket]

Yeah looks like most warriors are playing necro now

[sharp meteor]

and is more consistent in general

i have been liking crit on kyrian because any crits during warbreaker spear go can be lights out

necro has a similar go to ret in that it's a little more prolonged

and a crit also swings games

[lucid walrus]

murlok.io

very useful site to see what top players are running

[fiery walrus]

recently finished playing 1 hour of arenas at 2k cr with my friend and we fought against 3 comps of war, the three were necros

playing against necro beign kyrian is viable for me

[sharp meteor]

i see

[fiery walrus]

but ye, too many necros

[sharp meteor]

and yeah necro is interesting

[fiery walrus]

i mean, yee it is

[sharp meteor]

hm not sure i like the format it's so spread out

[fiery walrus]

but idk, i play all the time as kyrian

[sharp meteor]

and doesn't really show anything new

[fiery walrus]

i like when i use spear and they're fighting to be free

lol

[sharp meteor]

yeah it's frustrating to have some people get out of spear but a lot are just stuck in there

spearing kitty during empower and just watching them both spaz out is the best

[fiery walrus]

CAN CONFIRM THAT

[sharp meteor]

retwarr and kitty it's ahhh sweet relief

[fiery walrus]

in that scenario u see a kitty yelling MIAU

[fiery walrus]

oh boi

[plain wing]

Hmm this is interesting to hear yalls thoughts on Kyrian... I feel like I already dont put on enough pressure as I'd like and Im running necro.. feel like it'd be even less if I ran spear

whens the best time to use spear as kyrian, just with opener, or use a little more thought and it use it when you expect people to kite you etc?

and should i switch to kyrian if i want an easier time in 2s? I just feel like my prio damage will be much lower....... Feels so good to pop banner and go ham

like do you ever use spear without avatar/warbreaker?

[full quiver]

you can just run at healer and get double spears most games

until like 2100ish

[plain wing]

also not having flesh feels bad

[full quiver]

and tons of pressure from that + sweeping strikes and other cds

[plain wing]

especially on big burst comps

feel like i need flesh haha

like do u use spear for dam

or to prevent kiting /casting etc

like before a hunter disengages or a rogue tries to run etc

feel like spear would suck against a lot of comps

or like to peel when enemy is poping cd's and going ham?

[sharp meteor]

dragging dps onto you and spearing them in with the healer can be neato

been doing that in dh/boom

[plain wing]

in 2s tho

man so much big brain shit going on

shits hard.

[tranquil hemlock]

I don’t think kyrian feels worse pressure wise compared to necro in 2s

[plain wing]

no bigggg executes tho

like 24k executes on a monk feels good

and flesh for high burst games

[tranquil hemlock]

I just got 2100 last night, playing both. Nothing crazy but still both feel good, execute still hits like a truck as kyrian. I play necro mostly, I think it’s more enjoyable. But imo kyrian will be better in 9.2 with double leggo

[plain wing]

yea im like 1900....

2100 is nothing but a pipe dream

getting my teeth kicked in while i panic push random buttons

[tranquil hemlock]

I did it with lfg

[plain wing]

and i have 252 ilvl

[tranquil hemlock]

I played a lot of games

[plain wing]

which feels even worse.

like i should be doing way better.

[tranquil hemlock]

This meta is really toxic if you don’t hit buttons properly

The more you play and analyze the more you will improve

[sharp meteor]

ya ideally need to identify goes or damage a few seconds in advance

can't react to a kitty cleave go a few seconds late

because u ded

[plain wing]

jsut feels bad that im still panicking and not really improving

i have really good gear at this point

and should be having ease

some situations i just dont know what to do

when im getting chained cc'd etc

maybe need to hold fear for better situations etc

[sharp meteor]

fear is usually just to try to peel a go

[tranquil hemlock]

^^

[plain wing]

never to fear healer

for a go on dps?

or vice versa

[sharp meteor]

yeah no that's good as well but until you're more familiar

[plain wing]

or pressure etc

[sharp meteor]

can just fear defensively

on their cds

[plain wing]

ok

[sharp meteor]

o bestial with flayed shot up and my healer is in cc lemme just fear th ehunter and his pets

[plain wing]

just 252 i should be having a much easier time at 1900 i feel like

[sharp meteor]

then storm bolt him out when he presses freedom

and between that and ignore pain u can avoid using anything else

[plain wing]

Kinda embarassing

i also just dont do much dam

[sharp meteor]

haven't queued in a bit, setting up third and fourth warr now

curious to see how matches feel with low ilev again

[plain wing]

but 252 isnt low is it

like i should be pumping at this point

and doing bigggg dam

and winning games at lower cr's

Just feels bad man. I wanna feel like im in control, look ahead and pre plan how to respond to enemy go's, and properly set up my own go's for kills. Not just feel like im winning cuz of luck ya know

[sharp meteor]

got to stop tryna brute force people

[mild pier]

I was hard stuck at 1600 last season. Was hard stuck at 1800 3 weeks ago, then 1950 2 weeks ago, and finally hit duelist 3 days ago. Just keep grinding and practicing and you'll fucking get it dude

[plain wing]

@sharp meteor thats what im saying... I wish i could feel like im in control and actually properly responding / getting ready for enemy gos, and feel like im properly setting up my own

with healer cc etc

and being aware of enemy abilities, upcoming gos, trinkets, who to go and when etc

@mild pier gratz on duelist man

[mild pier]

Hey thanks, now onto the glad push 😩

[plain wing]

@mild pier how have you been learning?

any tips?

[mild pier]

Just a shit ton of queing

[plain wing]

Like I just feel like i dont have a learning curve, just flat.... hard to improve game after game, and take what i learned from previous game into the next

like i have a 55% win rate in the 1800 bracket ..... feel like that doesnt seem too promising for me

I wanna outplay peeps and if i cant even do that at 1800 idk how to improve hahah

[mild pier]

Well every time you lose you should be able to figure out the reason

Like, I wasted cc for no reason or blew cds during their defensives or maybe you didn't use all your defensives during their go or something liek that

There's always going to be a reason for why you lost so you should be able to identify that and just do your best to remember that for next time.

[glossy island]

Squadov is an amazing tool

You can use to analyze your sessions

Bonus points if you're queuing with people who use it

You ll be able to look at each gcd and rewind

And have an idea

[mild pier]

That's huge

[tranquil hemlock]

@sharp meteor my alt warrior feels terrible

With no gear lol

[sharp meteor]

boutta gear one through lfg on alliance

[tranquil hemlock]

I just don’t have weapon

Which is a problem, I’m also dogshit so that probably doesn’t help

[sharp meteor]

same getting flamed by lfg healers makes me sad

i wonder if anybody i know still has an ally char setup hm

[full quiver]

u were "stuck 1600" like a week ago man lol

just keep playing

[plain wing]

@mild pier yea right after the game i can be like "oh i shoulda done that"

but I never really carry that onto later games

[tranquil hemlock]

I don’t know any ally players @sharp meteor

[full quiver]

i'm on ally

but i'm a noob healer

[sharp meteor]

yeah all my healers xferred their remaining alli chars or abandoned them lmao

[lucid walrus]

method act as a schizophrenic bc understanding how to counter-go is a game of pattern recognition

we're stacking? this monk has sweep? huh. he is probably going to kick someone in the nuts

[sharp meteor]

once sweep off cd you know they're looking to single out somebody, hopefully two but they are sending it soon

keep queuing into wws that dont cross me so i just duel the ww and walk away on their go

[mild pier]

Yeah I mean it's just something you'll have to work on which is fine.

[sharp meteor]

ya only reasonable thing is to try to take what u can from each game regardless of outcome

the lower you go the more certain everybody is that they're playing it perfectly lel

[tranquil hemlock]

Lol gotta find the balance for sure, I know I’m bad. But sometimes it actually is your healer

What helped me was slowing down when I was playing. I was always in a hurry, when I slowed down I saw everything better.

[sharp meteor]

ya everybody frantically hitting buttons

which at most usually just brute forces the newbies

[craggy socket]

Just won 7 games in a row first time warr!!

[plain wing]

@sharp meteor you were mentioning rift farming yesterday - do you only start that up at tier 4 when you can buy keys

if so, whats the best way to even get to tier 4

im like t2 hahah

[mild pier]

Rift keys can drop off rates

Rares*

And I think chests as well

[plain wing]

ok cool

[kindred swan]

Do the bracers "Vambraces of Verification" work in pvp? Drop from Tazavesh. +100% auto attack damage after being disarmed

[nimble jasper]

that sounds incredibly useless

[kindred swan]

I'm just asking if they work in pvp. Not whether it'll be useful or not

[nimble jasper]

Nothing is disabled but its again terrible

233 bracers with an effect thats meaningless

[kindred swan]

9.2 around the corner

tazavesh being added to M+, so those bracers can be upgraded to max ilvl

and you're assuming that everybody plays arms in pvp

[nimble jasper]

and they dont have vers

when’s the last time someone has died to autoattacks

[lucid walrus]

autos w/o a weapon

can't imagine they're disabled if you wanna theorycraft though, no

[nimble jasper]

they’re giga nerfed iirc

[sharp meteor]

finna have a buddy disarm me in a duel

and see him catch those 300 damage hands

but with those bracers it would be 600

!!

[kindred swan]

how long does the enrage last?

[full quiver]

i killed someone the other day with aunarmed melee

lol

[nimble jasper]

did they d/c

[full quiver]

no they were just super fucked

but disarm came off cd before we finishd htem

[sharp meteor]

morale destroyed

[plain wing]

aside from warbreaker with warriors, is there a best common practice of when to use disarm for other classes

like using it offensively to prevent them from stunning - does disarm prevent rogues from cheaping/kidney?

[full quiver]

doom winds, double tap

shiv

vendetta

[plain wing]

so all defensively

do you ever disarm middle of go so they cant stop anyting

or like before they pop anything to delay the go by a few seconds

[sharp meteor]

yeah dk so they can't ds

[full quiver]

i disarm to kill warriors soemtimes

and dks for ds yeh

[sharp meteor]

disarm warr so no parry

disarm rogue so they can't stun u

or team

those are the big ones

otherwise it's just efficiently and quickly disarming enemy mini cds

[full quiver]

when we were doing one shot KFC cheese i'd disarm warriors on opener

[sharp meteor]

also have a focusdisarm

[full quiver]

and most would just die lol

yeah i have a disarm arena target x and i just change it at beginning of each game

[plain wing]

@sharp meteor if i get a rogue out of stealth, whats the best course of action? Immediately open and stun them.... or disarm them so they cant do anything etc

[full quiver]

depends on what their partner is

bust stormbolt and start blasting, if they trinket bladestorm or bladestorm after stun wears off

[sharp meteor]

idk depends on what my healer is

sometimes rogue sometimes mage

rogue honestly knd of vulnerable without poly support from mage

well most are anyways

[craggy socket]

I agree fuck mm hunters

braindead cucks

[plain wing]

@full quiver what if I got them out of stealth with bladestorm, ie cuz they sapped my healer

[spice hornet]

does rogue rlly need 2 steps of shadowstep

[full quiver]

prob stun them and warbreaker to see if you can get their trinket

[spice hornet]

2 chargES*

[full quiver]

or depending on BS timing

you can try and intervene the second sap

[plain wing]

and hold banner/avatar?

[full quiver]

yeh i would

[plain wing]

for the next go in 45 seconds?

ok

even with rogue/mage?

copy

[full quiver]

otherwise you're just gonna get stunned right out

and lose all ur dam buttons at same time lol

if your bladestorm lines up right you can intervene when there's only 2-3 seconds left on sap, and they can't re-sap your healer

[plain wing]

why would they resap

when they could sheep

so it's common against rogues, to always try to intervene after bladestorm or when original sap is running off?

is disarming after warbreaker/stormbolt

a bad idea at start of game

to prevent stunning from rogue

or nah

[full quiver]

usually if they have sap on your healer they aren't immediately going for a polly out of it

[warped warren]

listen to this guy

he beat asmongold

hes practicallt a streamer now

[steady tiger]

is rogue mage beatable as arms/rdruid

this shit seems rough af

[warped warren]

yes

its beatable

[sharp meteor]

rm with rdruid feels like a long match

[full quiver]

lol smd eto

[sharp meteor]

god i wish i could queue into him again

charged in got life gripped back

lept back in got cocooned

[warped warren]

just kill rogue

easy

[gaunt rover]

Rival (252) verse wep or 259 r5 jaethys for pvp?

[inner wigeon]

so are we able to use 2 leggos in pvp in 9.2?

[raw summit]

yes

[sharp meteor]

yeah it's gonna be like christmas

do i want enduring sephuz misshapen or unhinged in addition to my eight second spear hmm

[plain wing]

unhinged with spear

actually sounds fucking wild

1 shot inc

[lucid walrus]

can't be disarmed baby

[mild pier]

Spear and unhinged is going to be insane

[nimble jasper]

does anyone die to unhinged memes

outside of the rat leagues

[lucid walrus]

i knew a dude who played ret/war with only unhinged up to 2.8

[mild pier]

Jesus

[lucid walrus]

granted it's ret/war but

literally never swapped off

[mild pier]

Ret/war is mad fun

[nimble jasper]

ret/war is like

the peak of oogabooga

[lucid walrus]

4 sure

[mild pier]

Lmao for real

[nimble jasper]

in b4 someone says

stormbolting 1 and hoj 2

is big brain

[sharp meteor]

i mean it can be scuffed

[gaunt rover]

Rival (252) verse wep or 259 r5 jaethys for pvp?

[lucid walrus]

only problem is how overplayed it is. means you have a bunch of shitters trying to replicate it as fresh rerolls 400cr above where they should be

[sharp meteor]

hoj too early = dispel

and bolt has travel time

and hoj on healer is very telegraaphed

[nimble jasper]

ig

[sharp meteor]

honestly retwarr can just send stuns on dps

[nimble jasper]

but still simple

[sharp meteor]

and damp with pve dam

[mystic fulcrum]

2k holy priest lf warrior or dh to push in 2v2s! Hmu

[sharp meteor]

so tanky

[lucid walrus]

don't think there's a good straight answer for you. would think 259

[nimble jasper]

also i swear

warrior priest is like

[lucid walrus]

moot point when you hit 2.1 though. conq weapon wins out there

[nimble jasper]

the worst healer matchup with a warrior

[lucid walrus]

it is. you won't think it's that bad til you chain q into hunters

[mild pier]

Even against other warrior comps

[nimble jasper]

i mean priest doesnt do well into long games

[mild pier]

Priest just gets mangled

[nimble jasper]

and both of you having fears

no bueno

[lucid walrus]

yeah it's wack

[sharp meteor]

wow just realized im not in a comp stomp

i ran down to mines and killed 3 people

[nimble jasper]

comp stomp bots

are better than players in random bgs

tbh

[lucid walrus]

it's my buddy's first szn and he hit 2.4 playing hpri/war. his war's a beast though so idk

[mild pier]

Jesus

[nimble jasper]

dh personally

I've always liked dh rsham

lets you run rat rdruids

with double purge memes

[mild pier]

I got smashed by that comp a lot

DH damage right now is so retarded

[nimble jasper]

alot of healers play dumb into the comp

they get trained by the dh

then run into the sham's line

instead of bringing the dh out of los

[mild pier]

Makes sense

[nimble jasper]

like

just root the dh

behind pillar

and laff

[mild pier]

I don't know what it is about DH's but they love lining their healers

[nimble jasper]

whenever the spec is overly tanky

just happens

[mild pier]

Maybe it's just the over confidence but nearly every game they'll just line their fucking healer

[nimble jasper]

i laughed so hard though when i was helping a friend on ww

and killed some dh through trinket dark and blur

[mild pier]

Jesus

Yeah they forget that they can still get hit through that shit lmao

[nimble jasper]

yeah those ratings melee are dumbos

if they train you you just go on their healer

and get double stuns/double spears

XD

[sharp meteor]

yeah double spear into double warbreaker sweeping uwU

[nimble jasper]

assa rsham into hpriest bm was the most free matchup i've done this season

[sharp meteor]

hey look double sharpen OwO

[nimble jasper]

priest dies in 2 DS kidneys

if hunter doesnt peel

lmfao

[sharp meteor]

yep

every game

just blows up

[nimble jasper]

garrote

7s kidney

[sharp meteor]

hunter can't do anything because he's playing the meme "i only have one stun" spec

[nimble jasper]

dwayne knock

get every cd

[sharp meteor]

that sits there mashing his 2 buttons watching his healer get eaten

whereas surv destroys the spec so insanely hard

[nimble jasper]

male worgen hunter missing the max range trap no cc

type of vibe

[sharp meteor]

i feel bad i flagged a male vulpera with glasses because he was 2300 while backpeddling and flinging max range ice traps at my healer who wasn't in icc and he whispered gg and apologized for playing BM in 2s LMAO

[nimble jasper]

altho why dont hunters just petsac bonedust

i swear thats the only time you need it vs wws

[sharp meteor]

nono they do justonly on themselves

[nimble jasper]

like it only becomes super dangerous

[sharp meteor]

and uh hm

[nimble jasper]

when its keefer’s amped

[sharp meteor]

yeah keefers bonedust chiji proc

all the air horns going off

[plain wing]

so youre saying to always go healer in 2s if dps is training me

so i can double them up

[lucid walrus]

eeh

[sharp meteor]

depends

like if u train healer and force dps on you and get bigly cleave value it can be great

but often u need to kill dps

[lucid walrus]

it's pretty safe to do that into something immobile like a priest. if it's like rdruid/ww i pretty much go the ww every time

[sharp meteor]

but again it depends on everybody in the match

[plain wing]

im in a weird place

[sharp meteor]

like u can't really train rdruid for instance

[lucid walrus]

^^

[nimble jasper]

you cant train rdruid or mw

[plain wing]

all this talk makes me wanna pvp soooo much anad gets me so excited to pvp.... but then I actually pvp and get ruined

and it doesnt feel good

[nimble jasper]

unless they dont have hands

[sharp meteor]

but u can sometimes force them into a weird spot to swap on hots

[lucid walrus]

can't win if u don't play

[sharp meteor]

also queuing with a 210 ilev ruin player on my 233 arms warr and am nearly 1800 mmr

70% of his healing is regrowth and he plays tree every game i am going to have a stroke why is alli dead

[nimble jasper]

lmao

rdruids at low mmr

worst positioning ever

regrowth top heal

[sharp meteor]

literally first game just pops tree and instant regrowths

until he dies like 5 seconds later

he kept asking if i had played arena before

[nimble jasper]

isnt tree bad

also yeah icing on the cake is them calling you new

[sharp meteor]

it was cute to see a newbie tho

usually its jaded 20x rival calling you a subhuman for not trinketing leaping parry intervene bannering him because he trinketed a sap

[nimble jasper]

[tepid gate]

Can anyone help me out with some pvp macros? I'm just looking for a good burst one for now to get used to. Thanks!

[lucid walrus]

don't mind me checking how long it takes before bis macro gets linked

[nimble jasper]

#showtooltip
/cast Conqueror's Banner
/use Unchained Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity
/cast Blood Fury

You can put avatar in there if you want but really should have a separate bind.

[sharp meteor]

wtf op

my pug alli partner just 1 pt maimed somebody then convoked

[sharp meteor]

also idk why you'd ever bind avatar into something like this it's off global just use it as you're coming out of conq banner global if u sending

[spice hornet]

should bein able to drink in stealth be a thing

[lucid walrus]

favors druid an awful lot for a class that already has a shitload imo

[plain wing]

stupid question

but whats the best way to intervene reflect... like to know when to do it

and do you reflect before intervening

[sharp meteor]

spells on allies? need misshapen mirror legendary for that

overwatch is kill

[trail coyote]

Yo running ret war are you guys saving anything for second wb or nah

just giga zug ?

I feel like ppl just try and panic peel the ret and I can get a ton of dam off

Comp dependent obviously

[plain wing]

so like some games i feel like i actually khnow what im doing

then i play into rang ecomp

like hunter mage

and i feel like im just running around the whole game

what the fuck do i do

like

just kicking our healers teeth in

and again im just like randomly pushing buttons panicking

like random bladestorms etc

and ran into boomkin/warrior in 2s and the game lasted way toooo long

just feel like a headless chicken never know which target to hit etc

or get cloned/disarmed immediately when popping cd's

feral/MM at 1900

oh jesus

what do u even do

isntant death to convoke and hunter opener

noice

now bm hunter resto druid

whatre these comps man

I FUCKING LOVE PLAYING A WARRIOR RESTO DRUID AND JUST BEING ROOTED THE WHOLE GAME

WHEN THE WARRIOR IS AT LIKE 3% HP 4 DIFFERENT TIMES

THEN FUCKING LOSING

THIS GAME IS SOF UCKING GOOD

[warped warren]

[plain wing]

havoc, balance comps at 1800

noice

[trail coyote]

Bruh it’s ok

Deep breaths

[plain wing]

fuck this game

fuick this game

how do i beat warrior mistweaver

fuck this game

how do i beat that

HONESLTY

how the fuck do i beat that

mistweaver healing is insane

HARD STUCK AT 1900 WITH 252 ILVL

IM SO GOOD AT THIS GAME

HOW THE FUCK DO U BEAT THAT

FUCK THIS SHIT

im just losing to every fucking comp at 1900

like i dont have enough pressure to do anything

warrior anything kills me

[gloomy dock]

@plain wing calm down

[sharp meteor]

bruh 💀

[ember rose]

Frankly thats an skill issue

Also git gud

[plain wing]

im losing to elverything

every fucking comp

just lost to holy priest dh

cant fucking do anything

like

how the fuck do yall do this all day

[gloomy dock]

Plz watch the language

[ember rose]

[gloomy dock]

Those kinda terms are triggering to some. Please edit / delete

[ember rose]

Are u playing as fury or something

[plain wing]

arms

[gloomy dock]

Ty

[sharp meteor]

I don't play 2s if I can help it

[gloomy dock]

2s will never be balances.

It's why the game revolves around 3v3

I rewver in BFA if played correctly two mm hunters could 1shot someone from stealth

Was fucking miserable

[sharp meteor]

I don't remember seeing anything but Survival Hunters in BFA.

Maybe like one or two people trying to get BM to work.

[plain wing]

3s are even harder

[gloomy dock]

At low elo

Two mm hunters could ubironically one shot someone

It was dumb.

[plain wing]

Like

[sharp meteor]

Interesting.

[plain wing]

i just cant get good

i die to every single comp

[gloomy dock]

It is going to take you months

1-1800 is quick

[trail coyote]

Just press

[gloomy dock]

The rest is a grind of self inprovement

Expect 2000+ games per 100 rating.

[sharp meteor]

LOL no

maybe between high glad and r1

[gloomy dock]

Shh

I meant 200

Like 1800-2100 is like 800 or so games if you focus on improvement for the average player

But once you've put in the time

Getting back is quick

[plain wing]

how do i kill warrior mw

like theres just no shot

[sharp meteor]

wat u queuing with

with rdruid mw or rsham i just play rend and pve the warrior for ten minutes

and eventually win off mana/throughput

can SOMETIMES rarely go monk if they feed

[plain wing]

r ldruid

[sharp meteor]

yeah that's fine

[ember rose]

Disarm his wb for starters

[plain wing]

i do yea

[sharp meteor]

just do the dance of trying to disarm his wb but not get yours disarmed

[plain wing]

but how

[sharp meteor]

don't look at monk unless they int a roll or two

[plain wing]

bladestorm only lasts so long

[sharp meteor]

getting dam out during warbreaker is what's important

[plain wing]

but how

i just get shut down

but one of the 2

and my cd's get so scuffed and desynced

[ember rose]

Bait with avatar

[sharp meteor]

like stormbolt warbreaker spear and bladestorm as he's coming out of the stun and mashing disarm

[ember rose]

^

[plain wing]

im necro

[sharp meteor]

can try to bait disarm with just ava, as nate says

[plain wing]

yea maybe i do that

i mean that warrior i just fought

[sharp meteor]

waddle in, overpower, mortal strike, etc, get your stuff up, then bolt, warbreaker, etc

[plain wing]

was disarming me before i used anything

and it was still close

[sharp meteor]

yeah ideally people int their disarm like that

then you ruin their face

[plain wing]

they just triniket and parry

or some shit

[sharp meteor]

ORRR they're just slow with their disarm

okay lets say you warbreaker, then bladestorm and he only disarms at the end of bladestorm

[plain wing]

like with my gear ilvl

[sharp meteor]

now his disarm is out of sync with your warbreaker

[plain wing]

some people could easily get glad

[sharp meteor]

and next warbreaker he can't disaarm

[plain wing]

gotcha

i hit 1950 tonight.... but i dont feel in control at all

like im just spamming random shit

and it gets frustrating

like so panicky

[sharp meteor]

just gotta q and get more comfortable

[plain wing]

every match could go either way

[ember rose]

I face rolled to 1900

[plain wing]

we get it nate

ur good

im not.

[ember rose]

Only needed brain for rm

Nah im prob worse

[plain wing]

im dogshit

every match is a flip of the coin

[sharp meteor]

same i only pay attention in 3s

[plain wing]

nothin im doing is causing a win

[sharp meteor]

brain off in 2s

[plain wing]

Just dont know how to get better

like its so tilting

my cd's dont do anything cuz i dont bait shit

[ember rose]

Post ur gameplay in #810664169140518947

[plain wing]

like i should be happy i hit 1950

but im not

cuz im so tilted and dont feel in control of games at all

or feel like im making any good plays at all

just luck

or being carried

[ember rose]

Ppl provide helpful feedback there

[plain wing]

and im just fucking myself rotationally

not doing much dam

or sticking on right target

idk

just frustrated.

pvp is supposed to be fun but its just so stressful

when i feel like i have no idea what im doing 😦

like i wanna feel like im making good plays

[sharp meteor]

Me neither buddy

Kitty and wps spooky 🐱

[ember rose]

Pvp tilts me like nothing else indeed lmao

[plain wing]

literally feel like im just mashing random buttons all the time

[sharp meteor]

You're just taking all the things you need to do and breaking them down

like doing your basic pve damage

then figuring out when to send cc, cds, etc

paying attention to where everybody is

starts off frantic and eventually should hopefully become easier

[plain wing]

it should

but the more i play

its like the more i have no idea what im doing

and i just mash buttons without thinking why, or if i shouldve held for a diff time

[sharp meteor]

i tell people to just focus on doing pve dam to the least mobile thing

eventually that becomes more comfortable

and you start working on other things

like disarming warbreaker

[spice hornet]

run warbringer death sentence and kill mw they rreally bad at 1900

speciall if they dont put port down or put it in a retarded spot

or they port nothing

[sharp meteor]

I feel like the conservative play is wait for them to int at least one charge of roll

then have leap for the port

can bladestorm the ring of peace

[tranquil hemlock]

You just have to accept that as a warrior you are going to waddle around a lot

It is what it is

[spice hornet]

when death sentence doesnt charge you to the bm huntard and just does the dmg from 15 yards away

[elder wigeon]

yup dead talent next patch if not fixed because 100% that's gonna trigger icd

[trail coyote]

Too real sadge

[sharp meteor]

Yeah. Oh, well. It'll still be fun for bgs, and I was already used to just playing duel/disarm/sharpen into 80-90% of matchups.

[bright barn]

Is nightfay fury a thing? Iv seen a few clips of people playing it but no idea what conduits etc to use I like to play something different to everyone else any tips?

[spice hornet]

its a meme

im legit so tired of fighting boomy dh man :/ usually q everyday but since that comp came to rise its not even fun to fight

literall yjust die to unhealable dam

[sharp meteor]

ugh feed me dh/boomie

cave in the shaman or dhs head while my shaman shears/grounds the clones

[spice hornet]

i dont have shaman for that sadge

[sharp meteor]

rdruid turb feels good into it or at least i think it does and once we tighten things up a bit more it's gonna b great

[spice hornet]

just getting farmed by it

every time

1 win away from 2.7k then we q into it

as disc ret war

[sharp meteor]

shambles

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor my god

bm hunter players

took all i had not to flame this guy for how he played and somehow hes at this mmr

sacs air disengage/feigns nothing

his priest is at 20% mana 1min into the game

holy shit

[bright barn]

Your playing the second most busted comp you can’t really complain 😂

[nimble jasper]

whats the second most busted comp even 🤔

[sharp meteor]

dhboomie?

i thought it was like rmp dhboom jungle retwarr

then like wps

[nimble jasper]

dh boomy is pretty autopilot ye

@sharp meteor hero rbgs btw

trades dome ps and 80% of his mana for one bonedust go

[sharp meteor]

legendary

[nimble jasper]

and his hunter whiffs trap on a healer thats stunned, somehow i rolled into it when coming back for los

[sharp meteor]

had a whiffed trap the other day that saved my partner

ran into it and ripped off flayed and frenzy

[nimble jasper]

i saw instim stun and beastial

[sharp meteor]

feral in shambles

[nimble jasper]

"might as well los since trap inc"

eat the trap somehow

tf

[lucid walrus]

Cope All Time High

[nimble jasper]

also priest was in africa instead of pushing in for a fear off

[sharp meteor]

hm can i proc plumage in mugambooga

15 seconds hm

[nimble jasper]

I just play inner strength for passive 10% dr vs bm teams since none of them are smart enough to know how to toss shackles/mindgames on cc

[spice hornet]

finally got it and beat the dhboomy

[sharp meteor]

Grats. 🥳

[warped warren]

bro relax with the venting

[warped warren]

mugambooga HAHAHAHA

[warped warren]

jgl > rmp

[lucid walrus]

if u jump probably

get bark for free by jumping off top level ☻

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

hm it works in the world but the spot you have to jump off of is kind of close to the wall, well, one of the pillars

not sure if it works in skirm, will probably check tomorrow

I'm gonna be the spaz that throws a rated game to have a perma bark

[nimble jasper]

dont you need to take a decent amount of fall dmg for it to proc

[sharp meteor]

nah took like 40 dam and it procced

[meager vector]

is there an addon or something to help healers to see their partner's debuffs to cleanse. My holy paladin friend doesn't see shit and i don't want to bully him he's 40 years old psychiatrist with 3 kids .

[sharp meteor]

bigdebuffs is one of them

actually wait maybe that's

hm

[fickle forge]

The Bruin venting is definitely the worst #pvp arc so far

[sharp meteor]

Okay, yeah, bigdebuffs to make the debuff on frames bigger, then omnibar and/or weakauras to have CD alerts, like so you know that mind games could come out, or that soul rot is off CD meaning that the aff is looking to deathbolt etc

[fickle forge]

https://twitter.com/rednex90/status/1484788874857566212

Rednex90 (@rednex90)

«5 Button challenge» complete on bm hunter - went from 1800 —> 2400 using 5 buttons only - non gcd spells like feign death disengage etc macroed into my dmg globals, total 5 keybinds no sequence macros. GG to @TwiseHunter for helping me out on his Kyrian holypriest!👍😎👊

Twitter · Jan 22, 2022, 7:23 AM

[meager vector]

oh yeah deathbolt thingy. We were not playing for a long time and he got one shotted by an afflock and we were like whaaat

weird game but thanks for the help

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, usually Soul Rot is the tell. Every other minute they'll soul rot, darkglare then dark soul and that is the BIG go

just dispel the main target and it'll stop the setup

[nimble jasper]

if you see darkglare and darksoul

just duck behind los

[plain wing]

idk how yall do 3s

with all the shit going on

tracking your own abilities, as well as 3 other peoples.... and reacting to multiple cc's and gos going out

Like i just panic fucking fear randomly

and stun random targets

like

idk how yall do it

wow

[fickle forge]

Dude

Sounds like WoW's eating you up pretty severely

You good?

[lucid walrus]

practice

[fierce elm]

Are you okay lmao

[scarlet barn]

I would say when you get so tilted from game, it is time to take some time off

For your own good

[plain wing]

not tilt

just wish i could process whats happening

like so much shit is going on

Like idk why i just randomly fucking fear etc

panic i guess

sometimes i dont hit antyhing

[fierce elm]

If I would look up the word 'tilt' it would just be a picture of your profile picture

[nimble jasper]

Idk just q it up

take a bong rip maybe

you're overthinking shit

[fierce elm]

Learn how to fucking vibe

[plain wing]

i mean i just mash my head against the games

with no game plan

and same result obviuosly every game

genuinely dont understand how people play 3s

and can actually have gameplans, look ahead and incoming shit and enemy abilities

[fierce elm]

by playing many many games

[plain wing]

and know what to do in situations where theres 3 peeps

[fierce elm]

and not tilting off the planet when you lose a bit

[nimble jasper]

gameplan is

kill whoever trinkets like a monkey

[fierce elm]

Warrior itself has it mad easy in terms of gameplan

[nimble jasper]

warrior you can have moderate success just gatekeeping enemy team goes

[fierce elm]

SB on cooldown either kill target or off-target - do damage - intervene during their damage - d stance during their damage

there you go

[nimble jasper]

and doing passive dmg

you eventually will win tbh

[fickle forge]

Man thinks it's tough to track his own stuff and enemies

Wait till he finds out he has to track his teammate's stuff as well

[lucid walrus]

what addons do u run

nameplatecds is idiot proof

[fierce elm]

Also the fact that you dont have to track that much shit in general

[scarlet barn]

Really break is healthy

[steep inlet]

it’s easy to track as Warrior

Harder on rogues heals etc

Much more shit to checks

even our DRs are easy to track

[elder wigeon]

when will there be a stormforged pvper

pins are old and not relevant

[fickle forge]

Ask Vel

Maybe you might get it tbh

[warped warren]

[floral ingot]

I really start to understand more and more why ppl leave after one loss in lfg
Play with one team, get to 2350, they need to log off
Join another team, priest dies w/o pressing disperse 3 matches in a row, the other 2 matches shaman dies in the opener w/o using a single button even with intervene

Sadge

Man, just press your buttons

Is it too much to ask for

[warped warren]

yes

[elder wigeon]

if they want someone for that stuff I'd assume they'd give it to whomever without asking

[warped warren]

resune acting modest smh

[elder wigeon]

but it seems that the pvp section of this discord is completely separate from the rest of the discord

[fickle forge]

We had to ask for it

Else just ping a val'kyr to have something pinned

I'm sure they'd be happy to do so

[elder wigeon]

as someone who has been a mod for a large discord, I'm not fond of pings, i may message someone then

[fickle forge]

It's what they do though

Mag's pin is ages old by now

So someone has to update it

[warped warren]

weird flex

[elder wigeon]

not really a flex this discord is like 15x larger than the one I was modding for

my biggest flex is actually getting the taeshalach with like 5 kc

[fickle forge]

I mean I got pinged to pin stuff when I was SF, cause it's what I was there for

Think your biggest issue is that you can't find any official data to be pinned

[elder wigeon]

I don't mind getting pinged as much as I don't like bothering other people to do stuff for me

[fickle forge]

What even is outdated besides the covenant order and the legos?

[wheat jay]

Make your own pin, like a good SF would

Oh wait a sec

[elder wigeon]

missing information on comp viability, pvp talents, conduits, best way to get max conduits, farm gear, as well as yes, covenant order, legendaries as well as a bit of explanation of "stat prio"

[fickle forge]

Yeah but that's what you find in the guides

Quick information holds your necessary base setup

[knotty atlas]

Pins to the guides.

If anything is not relevant anymore or needs updating feel free to ping someone.

[fickle forge]

Not much thought and explanation behind it

Just a "do this and go" thing

[elder wigeon]

the stat prio isn't super easy, there's a fair few going full haste no matter what, or full crit no matter what, talked to rio and he seems to think crit is always best especially as necro but haste makes the spec feel so much better

[fickle forge]

And because opinions differ and we have a pool of R1 warriors that go separate paths, you just list them both as equal until something else has been proven

[elder wigeon]

nothing feels worse than never critting on your CD's as full crit, or something never dying because you're full haste and have no crit and can't punch through the healing

[fickle forge]

Yah but that's just crit

[wheat jay]

Rng Hope for kill vs consistent dmg

[fickle forge]

Next setup you might crit everything

[elder wigeon]

there's no winning with the stat prio I've played all as necro and kyrian and I literally can't decide lmao

[grand scaffold]

haste ftw

[wheat jay]

Ye but we're talking about normal specs

[scarlet barn]

kek

[elder wigeon]

you still have strong consistent damage as crit, but it's pretty damn clunky sometimes

[fierce elm]

Its almost like for Warrior it doesn't matter

[elder wigeon]

the only stat I don't like stacking is mastery

I want 0 of it

[wheat jay]

Cuz its like vers

Doesnt change anything, just a bit more dmg

[elder wigeon]

menial amount of damage for less of an effect

perceived effect i should say

[wheat jay]

Meanwhile there are specs that fully socket/enchant into stats other than vers

[elder wigeon]

warrior is as frustrating as ever to play as people keep getting better and better at perfectly trading based on weakauras and shutting down any fun moments you have lmao

[fickle forge]

I don't mind pinging people to get stuff pinned though

Quick information

Stat priority:
Venthyr - Vers > Crit > Haste = Mastery
Kyrian w/ Elysian Might - Vers > Crit > Haste > Mastery
Kyrian w/o Elysian Might - Vers = Haste > Crit > Mastery
Necrolord - Vers > Haste = Crit > Mastery
Nightfae - Vers > Haste = Crit > Mastery

Legendaries
Venthyr: Exploiter on Ring (was shoulder before because you could get double Crit/Vers ring because of the BOE ring) | Misshapen Mirror on Chest
Kyrian: Elsyian Might on Legs | Enduring Blows on Head | Misshapen Mirror on Chest
Necrolord: Enduring Blows on Head | Misshapen Mirror on Chest
Nightfae: Enduring Blows on Head | Misshapen Mirror on Chest

Covenants:
Kyrian = Necrolord > Venthyr >= Nightfae

Conduits:
Crash the Ramparts, Mortal Combo, Piercing Verdict/Veteran's Repute, Stalwart Guardian, Safeguard, Disturb the Peace/Inspiring Presence,

Talents:
2: Sudden Death
3: Storm Bolt
1/3: Massacre/Rend - Rend is really good when playing Battlelord with higher levels of Haste versus high armor targets (plate/mail shield wearers) where you have high uptime. Rend much lower value versus low armor targets.
3: Defensive Stance
2: Warbreaker
2: Avatar
2: Dreadnaught

@knotty atlas Repin this please

[fierce elm]

Kyrian w/o Elysian Might - Vers = Haste > Crit > Mastery h e ck

[fickle forge]

It's Magnusz' stat prio

[fierce elm]

gonna stack haste now

fuck vers

[fickle forge]

[elder wigeon]

I'm starting to like 10% haste 20% crit

20% haste and 10% crit is okay too

[fierce elm]

thats what I do tbh

[fickle forge]

Tfw Mwahi says we can just ping him, and it's not pinned within 2 seconds of the ping

[elder wigeon]

scammed

[wheat jay]

Pvp forsaken by Mwahi

[elder wigeon]

already forgotten about

hypes over

[knotty atlas]

[elder wigeon]

[knotty atlas]

I'm too horrible at PvP to even give it a thought.
I did some 2's with a DH buddy while being fury..got told to just "Try not to die i will kill them".

[elder wigeon]

haha double dps as warrior is not fun unless playing with a feral druid

[wheat jay]

Nah dh just kills 2 people on his own

[elder wigeon]

man necro dh is just another animal right now dude

[wheat jay]

Why not just go prot and do some weird mambo jambo dark voodoo mojo cc

Seeing how you're a prot main (i think)

[knotty atlas]

Pretty sure i asked it here if i could do Arena as Prot and someone just straight out told me "no".

[wheat jay]

Oh

[knotty atlas]

Tho probably any spec works if you're playing at such a low lvl as i would in PvP.

[wheat jay]

And when you have a dh going full REEEEEEEEEE on people and doing 10k dps on them

[knotty atlas]

All i did was spear.

And that was my contribution.

[scarlet barn]

Well

[wary harbor]

you helped

[scarlet barn]

Tanks arent welcome in pvp arenas

End of story

👀

[knotty atlas]

[elder wigeon]

nah prot warriors are alright, guardian druid is gross

prot pally is kill

[wheat jay]

Prot pally is mad cringe

Especially before nerfs

[knotty atlas]

BG's with some "hold the area" objective are fun as a tank tho.

[wheat jay]

Prot warr is dogshit for it tho

[knotty atlas]

Je, i did it as Guardian.

[wheat jay]

Fair fair

Then its meta xD

[scarlet barn]

hence why i specified

arenas

[fickle forge]

I swear prot warr has a pretty wild kit though

How the fuck can anything ever die when you do perma 20% less dmg against a prot team

[elder wigeon]

prot warrior doesn't do too bad of damage either

[wheat jay]

Mwahi r1 prot warr when?