pvp

[plain wing]

ok

yea idk

im just bad

[full quiver]

download SQUADOV

and post a reply in the gameplay review

replay

[plain wing]

ok

i just find it impossible to watch my healer / see if they're cc'd. Watch the enemies cd's and defensive, while also waatching my own

idk.

[fickle forge]

Welcome to WoW arena fam

We all deal with it

[full quiver]

yeah i honestly can't tell if you're trolling

i hadn't played wow since WOTLK, walked into arena first time ever playing DH and got 1600 super easily lol

playing DH hunter

[plain wing]

definitely not

[raw summit]

Arena gets very confusing at the start

Especially when coming from pve

Source: i did that and i go so fucking confused i didnt press any Buttons and died

[fickle forge]

In essence, if you can play chess you can also manage arena on a fundamental level

[raw summit]

😎I suck at chess

What else though is having your healer in coms

And they yell AHHH HELP IM CC AHGHH

[sharp meteor]

there's also just like

watching what's going on

voice helpful for being on same page as to who is using what though although eventually it does feel kind of scripted

kind of like hey i fear this setup don't use anything etc

[plain wing]

yea i just have a tiny brain

every game i play is like the first game ive ever played haha

unfortunately haven't learned anything, like how to deal with rogues better, or what targets to prioritize etc

[raw summit]

Oh one tip for low mmr 1000-1400

Paladins often die before you do it you sit on them

[raw summit]

It's really jush doing it enough

[elder wigeon]

unironically go watch a bunch of skillcapped videos even though I detest most of their opinions

[raw summit]

Oh ye they helped me a lot too

[plain wing]

@raw summit Yea i mean to a point... but if you just keep hitting your head against a wall with no reason as to why

cant learn much

[elder wigeon]

I didn't bother with skillcapped it's all basic shit as in how to be a complete beginner, I watched Smexxin and Magnus to get where I am

[raw summit]

I watched mes play pvp for months before i actually started playing

[elder wigeon]

I also watched revolol a ton as well

[plain wing]

Like example situation: if a rogue and warrior rush in, i blow my load get stunned, I then disarm warrior when he warbreakers, sit on ret but get stunned again, then continue hitting ret only to be disarmed.. .idk just so much going on and i never learn

[elder wigeon]

3 of NA's best warriors

Smexxin is one of the best warriors of all time

[raw summit]

Are you playing 3s or 2s bruin?

[plain wing]

2s

[raw summit]

1000% agree

[plain wing]

Like idk if I should actually be worried about my cognitive function but I just literally can't wrap my head around what to do at any given moment hahah

[raw summit]

First lesson: dont charge in

Walk/mount up to them and slow them

You wanna have them slower at all times for uptime

Once that works we can react to what they are doing

I tried breaking it down for me and the way i learn

If you learn differently this might just not work

[elfin surge]

:HyperRatJam:

😕

[elder wigeon]

i charge in sometimes, just depends on how I'm feeling in the moment

and obviously the class

[sharp meteor]

yaa it's usually more mobile stuff i avoid charging, like dh/ww, although depends on positioning and how we're looking to open

[elder wigeon]

i like to charge sp's just to show them what the fuck is up

[plain wing]

like yal have plans and shit to open

I cant think in the future.... I just zurg in and thats when i get fucked

Total reactive

[elder wigeon]

learn how to deal damage in pve, it'll help

[elfin surge]

Kitty cleave is the new ret/war tell your friends

[plain wing]

how do yall handle ferals

[sharp meteor]

yeah but feral players are a bit off

[elder wigeon]

my feral is aight

not sus at all

[sharp meteor]

feral not being sus is kind of sus

[elder wigeon]

if I play feral does that make me sus?

it's a S tier class atm why not play it

I made an assassination rogue, I'm like 240 ilvl pvp and puuumping hard at 2200 in 2's

probably gonna make a hunter next

two button class

cobra shot kill shot

[sharp meteor]

yeah assa so fun were it not for the existence of surv

and yeah setting up feral now because my partner is weird

about to do that rival-duelist honor farm aaaaaaa

i think i get duelist this week then bg farm next week

[elder wigeon]

I have damn near 3k 3's games this season on just my warriors, cracked

[sharp meteor]

hm lemme check mine

[elder wigeon]

and i took a break for like 45ish days

[sharp meteor]

400 on main, 500 on alt

alt was the "hey buddy i need rival/duelist pls help" char

[elder wigeon]

my 2nd warrior has 1300 on it alone lol

[sharp meteor]

because at the beginning nobody reacted to conq banner and still doesn't

yeah third warr abandoned at like 50 games played because i was setting her up when they announced cov swap

[elder wigeon]

unlucky

I need a 4th war honestly

[sharp meteor]

so main was venth from s1 and i didn't want to go kyrian but eventually did because partner wanted to play enh

[elder wigeon]

I have too many friends and partners that need a low alt

[sharp meteor]

second warr necro third was going to be kyrian and i swap main back to venth to finish party herald

[elder wigeon]

unfortunately "i suffer from success" and my warriors eventually get too high rated for down bad alts

my lowest war atm is 2600

[sharp meteor]

ya i have a lot of duelist chars floating 1800-2200 now

not really any reason to push higher

[elder wigeon]

I want a title some day

[sharp meteor]

unless team is like hey bust out the necro havoc

[elder wigeon]

gladiator doesn't satiate me

especially with it meaning nothing now

[sharp meteor]

the rift between glad and r1 is quite a large one

yeah

i think like last 10 games in a row 2700-2800 vs some r1 team on their main comp but alts

like help

[elder wigeon]

gladiator should be 50 games in the top .5% above 2400 or reverted back to the top .5% at end of season

[sharp meteor]

i think current model would b fine if seasons were like legion

these 9 month seasons will not do

[elder wigeon]

change it to 2600 and it's fine

[sharp meteor]

yeah or maybe that

[elder wigeon]

this season? 2700

[sharp meteor]

glad feels too low r1 feels too high

too big of a rift

[elder wigeon]

r1 def not too high, it should always be the absolute best of the best getting it, so to speak

[sharp meteor]

yeah yeah just meant the gap too big

[elder wigeon]

there's a bunch of r1's that're trash esp from last season

[sharp meteor]

seasons too long

yeah last season was a mixed bag

so many titles so many sitting

[elder wigeon]

if I was as good as I am now last season I would be a 3K+ sitful glad

[quaint hornet]

it does seem like feral players are the most unique bunches of people

[elder wigeon]

I almost got good enough in time to snag r1 last season, I peaked 3050mmr with 2842cr

and that was late in the season when nobody q'd and all the tournament players were 2800 lmao

[sharp meteor]

yeah i got my welfare dragon then went back to collecting stuff

[elder wigeon]

idc about the mounts anymore still hungry

[wheat jay]

Kitty cleave is the new ret/war tell your friends ❤️

[lunar stump]

the legendary blizo being toxic because i teased him with a /lol after beating him in 3s

[sharp meteor]

i mean u did emote like a rat

[lunar stump]

if you cry over an emote then that’s just embarrassing on your part

[sharp meteor]

why u emotin like a poor sport

[lunar stump]

yes the guy who used an emote is the poor sport, not the guy calling someone a “ dog shot toilet cleaner “ for emoting LOL

[sharp meteor]

ya

[lunar stump]

stick to self depreciating yourself & not others (:

[sharp meteor]

u emoted him and took a picture of ur monitor sssh

[plain wing]

any tips against DK's

same with hunters

[sharp meteor]

dk is usually just disarm pillar/empower/limb

can also bladestorm when he tries to grip your teammate in to dodge sleet/sindy

[full quiver]

people who emote in arena are cucks

[sharp meteor]

then disarm

[plain wing]

See this is the hard part.... dealing with one person is one thing, and having cd's/ abilities to handle them

but then you leave yourself completely open to the other dps

What about hunter?

[elder wigeon]

save globals for hamstring on feign and disengage, don't spear until after they feign, it's a 15 sec cd and clears spear

you can howl the disengage if you have a lot of haste

stun the freedom

[plain wing]

im necro currently

[full quiver]

have you been going in, charging, and blowing every damage cd?

[plain wing]

On hunters?

Usually they havent been my prio target

@full quiver why?

[full quiver]

because you can get 1600 easily doing that

[plain wing]

i mean how

between trap, scatter, knockback, disengage, stun

then whatever the other players have

like 0 uptime

[full quiver]

did you download the program and record the game

[plain wing]

havent played any games since last night

[spice hornet]

run on top of them with mount (if possible, they will sometimes only open max range)

[sharp meteor]

necro or kyrian feral?

[gritty gyro]

arms warrior in 2s with a resto shaman or resto druid: Necro or Kyrian? What's the best option fellow warriors?

[sharp meteor]

i found necro to be more pleasant but it was only to 2300ish and i imagine kyrian is better at high mmr

lot of people not really expecting ret tier burst from conq banner

especially if u fish for a sd proc before sending cds

[elder wigeon]

both are fine

[eager oracle]

Not sure how high y’all normally push but guildie pushed glad as ret/necro war the entire way

Currently farming torgy now so I can give it a try

[sharp meteor]

it is a solid comp

[eager oracle]

Tbf I could try and now but i can’t bring myself to play it without empowered conduits

[sharp meteor]

i mean conduits empowerments are great but you aren't exactly going to hit a wall without them

[plain wing]

best way to get higher ilvl conduits?

[raw summit]

korthia

sorry

[plain wing]

Just from weekly korthia box or what?

[raw summit]

if you are exalted with the korthia rep

you can buy upgrade tokens for 3k research

[plain wing]

oh yies

yikes

exalted haha

[raw summit]

yep

into the rift with you

[rough wharf]

If you are exalted on one char you can buy the sockets and upgrades immediately

(On another one)

Just need to farm it

[open glacier]

new record for me 😄

[sharp meteor]

maldiator is right

[eager oracle]

Yeah what Phil said “ just search rift” in custom lfg

[open glacier]

Maldiator was 220ilvl boosted in 2k xd

[eager oracle]

You should get like 5-8k per run or more

[frosty flower]

He’s probably mad he lost to a dk

[lunar stump]

yup haha

[wet scarab]

Got to 2093 then lost 4 games in a row to hunter rdruid. Just want to say fuck them

[frosty flower]

I know that feeling, it’s rough. Hunters are such a pain in the ass.

[sharp meteor]

yo fuck hunter/rdruid all my homies hate hunter/rdruid

fuck rmp too

[wet scarab]

I actually managed to beat every RM comp I fought last night as Kyrian

But hunters got me

Hadn’t played it in a while because necro

Got so tilted by the hunter matches that I just had to call it a night

On another note, do you guys have an actual strat against frost mages?

They are low key the most impossible casters I find to connect

And they just sit there spamming frostbolt I’m not quite sure what to reflect besides one while they’re in ice form and it does fuck all

They don’t have individual high ROI spells worth reflecting

And it’s like every time I touch them I get frozen

[full quiver]

Play shackle, wait for hunter to disengage, close distance again, send shackle. Most will FD. Then you can spear for free

[elder wigeon]

shackle just to feign 🤮

just force them to feign with damage and don't play shackle

[wet scarab]

so dont bother with the healer?

[full quiver]

It works like everytime lol

Fd shit off myself is like a trained hunter response.

[wet scarab]

hit duelist!

with a MW too

lost 3 as necro then won 7 as kyrian, which is sad

[warm quiver]

Grats !

[warped warren]

why is a emoting dk taking pictures of his screen with his phone, sneding them in slyhold? go back to acherus 😂

[lunar stump]

why you crying

[warped warren]

of laughter

why else

[lunar stump]

ok

[proven maple]

I’ve been just grabbing 1900-2k healers out of lfg lately and getting them duelist. Haven’t failed yet. But like. I don’t have 2 good people to 3s with and it’s sort of just all I have to do that’s interesting.

Anyone else just boost people who are close for free out of boredom.

Got an h pal and r sham and an r Druid this week. Two of them were 1900 not even rival II

[sharp meteor]

sort of, whenever i am setting up new char

i only help people i know on the geared chars

[graceful quarry]

[lunar stump]

cringe

[graceful quarry]

[warped warren]

😂

[fickle forge]

Can always argue who's the worse sport here, but the one with the most insecurity is def you

[lunar stump]

ppl who /lol after beating someone are insecure? do you know what insecure means

[fickle forge]

I mean you come here to point out how you beat the legendary Blizo and then point out how toxic he is

Like why

Kekw

[scarlet barn]

I would say posting screenshot after teasing people would suffice

Neither of you though are winners in this case

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat jay]

Provocation calls for an answer

Also emoting after winning is cringe

[scarlet barn]

Also to all Acherus lurkers

👋

[graceful quarry]

bro haHAA lmao imagine people react if you provoke them lmsoo cringe 👌 🔥

[wheat jay]

REEEE toxic Blizo responding to my procovation REEEEE

[marble marten]

I had smth worse the other day. I got beat by the vesper totem cheese, and the guy starts pmming me flaming me that i was some noname trash :p

like who pm's ur opponent after you beat them

if you don't know them lol

[fickle forge]

Same, except I took 40k Lightning Bolt and then I PM'd him

[raw summit]

Whispers on a win is even more pathetic than on a loss

[rough wharf]

mortal combo can trigger enduring blow aswell right?

[marble marten]

yes

[wicked magnet]

i some how get way more hate on my warrior than on my vesper shaman, actually come to think of it i've never had a hate message on my vesper shaman only a praise saying that was amazing damage. people just dont like warriors

[warped warren]

[warped warren]

nerf vesper hp

[wicked magnet]

oh im so cheesy with it too, ill move it and trigger it without a gcd using fireblood then land an instant spell so no matter how fast they are they taking a lego vesper proc and a normal vesper proc before they get it. im honestly surprised i don't get hate messages about it cause even I feel bad about it

[marble marten]

idk, yesterday i faced vesper shaman 3 times, same team. Lost to it first time cuz surprise, destroyed them 2 times after

[warped warren]

ye

element of surprise doesnt work a 2nd time

[wicked magnet]

they were dark iron?

cause theres vesper cheese...and then theres dark iron vesper cheese which is just disgusting

[quaint hornet]

how can i better deal with ferals that just dot and kite the whole time? It seems like when i connect they just go bear unless i catch with them with bolt

[elder wigeon]

force them to come back by fucking with their healer

they can't dot and run if you're murdering their healer with an axe

[quaint hornet]

in 2s should i swap back to the feral when i bait them back with going healer

or just ignore them and train healer the whole game

[elder wigeon]

just depends on what's going on, ferals are really tanky unless you can stun them outside of bear form, i generally hit their healer a lot, if it's an rdruid, you just gotta hit what you can hit while avoiding thorns

[rustic scaffold]

hey boys - we're playing ret/war/rdrood - currently sitting at 2.3k crs, wanna push first glad. however we're running into 50% balance droods+DH and we're having big time trouble against them. whats the winning game plan?

[warped warren]

cleave off healer

[paper oracle]

i ran into my first vesper totem cheese last night. got absolutely obliterated. it was a shaman playing vesper and an aff playing deathbolt, double 1 shot cheese comp

[full quiver]

Yeah I just parry when I hear it now lol

[analog flame]

Guys why do we take legendary on legs now, instead of feet, when we go elysian might

It was feet before, why did it chsnge

Change *

[plain wing]

well, have to take off for 9 days..... time is starting to tick to get 1800 with 9.2 on the horizon. I was doing bg's all day yesterday and i was finally getting the hang of warrior and acdtually playing well (being able to take on multiple people etc)

Hopefully i still have some time to get 1800 and gear up before season end (only 231 pvp ilvl). Warrior sure is fun. Hope im not too rusty when I come back 😦

real bummer

[fierce elm]

9.2 on the horizon kek

horizon is when it gets announced

the date that js

[fickle forge]

I mean that could be on the horizon in his case

Man has to learn first before he can push 1800

[plain wing]

I need gear too

Im having a lot of fun on warrior, especialy in bg's

feels so good to pop necro banner and avatar and just hit like a truck

imma be sad when 9.2 comes and all the covenants/ leggo stuff changes 😦

prolly right as im catching up

[wicked magnet]

are u horde or alliance?

[plain wing]

horde

also wont be playing for the next week+ as im out of town

so theres a wasted week of learning/ catching up with gear 😦

[wicked magnet]

oh ok can't help u there, the only horde i have is another warrior

[plain wing]

all goood

more just stressed that I was finally having a ton of fun on warrior and learning the ins and outs

now i have to take a lil break

just hope i have enough time

hope arms gameplay doesnt change too much in 9.2 cuz im enjoying the hell out of necrolord and its big hits

[cosmic pumice]

i got 1550 today and dropped back to 1400 because of boosters

this igam is SHIT

[warped warren]

i am shit fixed

[cosmic pumice]

i play vs 5 teams where people have 10k more hp than me

how to win?

[warped warren]

tbh

i didnt know you could drop to 1400

[cosmic pumice]

i lose 15 games in a row today

[warped warren]

uh

oofers doofers

[cosmic pumice]

playing outlaw rog war

[warped warren]

ye no shit

no wonder you lose

its ass

[cosmic pumice]

why

[warped warren]

?

[cosmic pumice]

why is it bad,

[warped warren]

why are you asking that while on a 15 game loss streak?

[thick reef]

do u guys always kill healing tide totem? is it worth it? its a lil easier on haste/necro, but takes so many GCD on crit/Kyrian.

[sharp meteor]

i always kill it if i can do so early ya

just have bs or ava to break the root because if u leap to the side of a pillar to kill and get rooted then that'll be dreadful

[thick reef]

i am starting to think that i should almost never just pop Avatar in my go

should always save it for root

cuz there is always root

[spice hornet]

You like the venthyr auto root

[thick reef]

fking pelagos mini-game sucks. if the ghost spawns far from me and i am on a target, do i walk away to get the buff?

[light granite]

Any Fury pvpers here?

[sharp meteor]

you just face the ghost thing for pelagos

then move towards it slightly for it to register

[thick reef]

oh i know but last night in a game, i was hitting a warlock

then ghost spawned way behind me, away from the lock

i walked AWAY from my target to get the buff

eventually lost the game and when i reviewed VOD, it looked stupid asf to me

[lucid walrus]

pelagos doesn't offer much that mik and kleia don't

unless you wanna play warioware

[thick reef]

isn't Pelagos the go-to soulbind vs casters, cuz of this?

not much in Kleia and Mika that helps against casters

[wheat jay]

dmg redutction AFTER cc

after cc you're usually low hp

and its quite late for dr ;D

[thick reef]

theres not much in Mika that is good for casters anyways

the auto-stun dont work

[wicked magnet]

nerfed in pvp

[thick reef]

how?

[wicked magnet]

🤔 least i thought it was

[thick reef]

didn't know soulbinds get nerfed in pvp

whatever the case, what do you guys use vs casters then, if not Pelagos?

[fierce elm]

Kleia

[thick reef]

how is Kleia good for caster?

[fierce elm]

I like crit

kleia gives me crit

crit make dopamine hit

[wicked magnet]

im a big kleia fan too

[cobalt linden]

is arms/ww monk/healer a decent 3s comp?

if so what would the best healer be?

[spice hornet]

yes @cobalt linden rsham

[cosmic pumice]

dude what the fuck so many boosters in arena

what a bad game

[thick reef]

compared to Season 1, this season has alot less booster.

[sharp meteor]

roughly translated "booster" usually just refers to an individual with more gear, or on a glad mount

[warped warren]

yes always

[sharp meteor]

yeah tide doubles each tick i think so kill asap

it alone can heal an entire go while the sham sits cc lmao

[warped warren]

tide alone can outheal rm goes

[sharp meteor]

rsham actually heals so much without casting

[thick reef]

kk

[sharp meteor]

but yeah like i said reasonable idea to have ava or bs to break the root if you leap to kill it in a funky spot

as healer won't always be in position to dispel

[warped warren]

sounds like a healer issue

[spice hornet]

i seriously cant wait until convoke isnt a spell anymore, not cause the dams or w/e it does, but because how the ferals who run it play. Literally convoke and then spend the rest of the game running

[wheat jay]

Literally how any class that doesn't shit dmg in your face 24/7 plays

[spice hornet]

just hate carrying lfg healers to 2100 when im bored and fighting the hordes of convoke ferals between 2k and 2.1

eh just convoke feral and sub rogue really play degen like that

[wheat jay]

Fire mage

Warlocks kinda too

[sharp meteor]

kyrian feral does the same thing

i mean that's just generally how you play if you aren't going to win a sustained face trading session

i queue assa into arms bleed them up and run whenever i don't have disarm/kidney

[full quiver]

Lol

Watching magnus queue into quapy made me mald

And I wasn't even playing

[cobalt linden]

I had to quit my fire mage because that gameplay is just not fun, why are my fireballs doing 2k damage blizzard

[warped warren]

ywa sure

i got hit by a 10k fireball

[wheat jay]

Why fireballs do 2k?

Probably because you pop combust and people like 80% of their hp through walls

[sharp meteor]

because ur not building for them lol

also everybody running flamecannon

every fire doing like 3-4k dps the whole game

then 15k pyros during bust

DISGUST

[cobalt linden]

sounds better than the gameplay i had season 1 of shadowlands mage

op as fuc but boring

[sharp meteor]

how tf is it boring

[full quiver]

Lol

[plain wing]

is pvp gonna allow 2 leggos?

in 9.2

cuz if so, burst is gonna be even more absurd in arena/bg's

Man, wish i was able to play wow this upcoming week and a half....was finally hitting my stride and having a TON of fun with warrior. Less and less time to take advantage of current warrior 😦

[eager oracle]

are there any lfg discords for arena?

[sharp meteor]

ya but one is the cov leggo

so 8 second spear + x

for kyrian warr

[full quiver]

Should stick to arena

[rough wharf]

wtf is necro dh?

[wet scarab]

Cancer

[rough wharf]

crazy

[wet scarab]

I did a 3 against a necro dh, necro afflock and necro rdruid the other day and felt like I was banging my head against a wall

On another note we did some meme 3s the other day, disc priest, arms and fury warriors, both necro, and I was running unhinged, and it was glorious

We became zug

[rough wharf]

necro arms is mega zug

slapped a bm goodbye with an 18k ms today haha

[wet scarab]

Heh

[rough wharf]

didnt even turtle

[wet scarab]

I somehow managed to crit execute a hunter as he was turtling I guess, but it bugged out for him and he died after the turtle animation

Not sure how it works but it was very satisfying

I really like necro but not sure why, in the last stretch before duelist, I was losing every game as necro and then winning 80-90% of games as Kyrian

I’m not sure what it is about my playstyle that made it that way, still trying to figure it out

But playing Kyrian with full haste was a lot more satisfying an experience than when I was playing primarily crit before

[sharp meteor]

nah it's the same with casts

if it's mid-air then it goes through

physical/melee stuff can have a delay

[wicked magnet]

i saw one the other day that some how died 3 seconds after turtle came up

[wet scarab]

Ah gotcha

[sharp meteor]

yep

chop

chaos bolt and star surge are funny ones because they're like soooo slow

[raw summit]

Once they are send they count as casted, right?

So you cant reflect em reactively once they are flying

Or did my lock friend tell me bullshit so he could duel me easier

[sharp meteor]

lmao

yeah i believe one it's in the air then it's too late

[raw summit]

Shit

[nimble jasper]

basically this

same with DRs too, if you wall after a chaos bolt is in the air you take pre wall damage values

[sharp meteor]

ooga booga big dam

ooga booga stunbolt

really though it's disarm/fear/intervene/duel imo

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

oh the booger deleted his comment

[leaden pasture]

sup

[zenith breach]

So guys, how do you deal with MM hunters, asking for a friend

[wheat jay]

disarm

line

kill

[zenith breach]

So what buttons piss them off or screw them up the most and in what situations, except for disarm ofc

[raw summit]

Hunters love getting hit by 40k executes

[warped warren]

shout at your healer to dispel binding trap, disarm his go and just train him

[zenith breach]

Is there any way I can fuck that up? As in press it at a wrong time?

Also is there like a rotation pin or maybe a streamer I could learn from? I'm trying to learn fury but all play arms

[raw summit]

fury is notably worse sadly

since you are missing out on some very good tools and defensives

for fury vs hunter iv liked the RA talent

since the crushing blow "charges" make it hard for them to kite out your cds

[zenith breach]

Such as?

[raw summit]

Defensive stance

Reliable mortal strike

Your IP on Arms is a lot better

And you can get away with lower uptime since your damage doesnt need to ramp up as fury does

[zenith breach]

How is mortal strike a defensive?

[raw summit]

Mortal strike is a Tool in my eyes

Dstance is the defensive

[fierce elm]

Not having to constantly dump rage into Rampage

[mighty cargo]

Can i play Nightfae 2 or is kyrian so much stronger

[main silo]

is there a good addon to track colossus smashs procs?

[eager oracle]

Is aff lock/ fire mage a common 3s comp? If so do you CC mage and go lock or?

[wary harbor]

get a weakaura for it

[elder wigeon]

Not fire mage, but frost, sorta. Depends on what healer, if it’s anything but Druid, train the frost mage, run/line on big cd’s such as death borne + icy veins or dark soul, if it’s fire mage, go lock I think

[eager oracle]

Yeah That’s what we tried and they obliterated our healer ( he was like 240ilvl) they were pretty geared

Just low games 1650ish but they had more hp than me so they had to have been over 253ilvl. Trying to do some 3s for once to get some experience. I typically just stick to 2s so not sure what common comps are

[warped warren]

your healer needs to sit on a pillar the entire game. if he leaves it and runs open, hes dead

[marble scaffold]

What is your experience with kyrian vs necrolord pvp? Kyrian RN because i despise the Necro campaign tbh but i'm to renown 50 soon so i may check otu necro after that

[lucid walrus]

renown 50 is basically a fresh start from buying the BOA item

wouldn't get too caught up in sunk cost there

[marble scaffold]

Yeah but i want to get the warrior to 80 first, it'S at 72. But how does the playstyle feel from kyrian to necro, the shield seems good

[raw summit]

You are tankier and feel like you hit harder

But you have less opportunity to spear people

And just kill them

[marble scaffold]

I like the spear somehow

[raw summit]

The spear is great

[marble scaffold]

So does necro outside of cooldown hit harder as Kyrian?

[raw summit]

No

Same damage

But during Banner necro can theoretically do a lot more

Since you get 26% str from conduit + 400 mastery

But it's on a longer cooldown

[marble scaffold]

Yeah that sounds huge, what makes me want to change is that there are "alot of" specs that can get out of the spear

[raw summit]

You can thankfully swap back and forth so you can play both as you fancy

[marble scaffold]

ye guess i just have to try it out and decide

thanks though

[raw summit]

[frigid loom]

Well, you also have the humanoid buff from fleshcraft so you do hit slightly harder (outside of if you are using pelagos and get the mastery from spear)

[honest sedge]

How do I upgrade my necro conduit? It's 213

[sharp meteor]

korthia for 213>226

then rift farm

[plain wing]

I still have the 200 ilvl necro conduit - best ways to target upgrades for that conduit specifically? Feel like its huge

[raw summit]

korthia

:)

[sharp meteor]

korthia treasures and rares for 200-226 imo while in queue farming honor from bgs

then sit down and maw farm for like one afternoon for 239 and 252 in every slot

[wet scarab]

I played Kyrian and necro a lot and I’m not very good. I easily got to rival 2 as necro without much effort but lost most games in the last stretch before duelist until I switched back to Kyrian, which I had about a 70% win rate with. I think most people at that level are able to shut down necro goes better, and spear works better against the comps you’re more likely to fight at that level including hunters, rdruids and RM

I also generally did better against other warriors as Kyrian

I hated playing Kyrian before because necro burst made it feel like I could land kills in goes more easily, but playing Kyrian full haste feels a lot more satisfying

There are also more oh shit buttons with the phial, aoe stun and spear for peeling

[eager oracle]

Yeah you can’t target upgrades to specific conduits outside of making sure that you learn conduit upgrades in the spec with the highest amount upgraded (e.g. if all your arms conduits are 252 make sure to be in arms when upgrading)

[thick reef]

kyrian with full haste? @@

u need crit as Kyrian

[sharp meteor]

idk why u think this

crit gets increased value off spear but haste is still fine/good

[open dock]

does necro arms still use battlelord as their lego?

[sharp meteor]

queued into one guy playing it as kitty around 2700-2800

otherwise it's always enduring idk which is better

but i have been liking enduring for the mini kill windows it can make

[thick reef]

Mud's video, also Magnuz's stream. He said everything you do in between spear doesn't mattter. You need to land crits during spear.

[sharp meteor]

i was gonna say smexxin was playing full haste kyrian but he still is

[raw summit]

Smexxin is Smexxin though

[sharp meteor]

crits during spear is solid though

it's kind of like the venth exploiter thing in s1 that a lot of people weren't playing properly

[thick reef]

tbh even though most ppl would say kry>necro in 2s, i am not enjoying/having much success with Kry compared to Necro

guess its just my problem

[sharp meteor]

need to get value off those spears

which is another reason why crit isn't the most forgiving

crazy high damage for a 45 and 60s cd though

[thick reef]

which is why i suck at spears

[sharp meteor]

need to know what can stop the spear setups

or what can get out entirely

[warped warren]

cant crit in spear if youre cced for the full duration 😂

[thick reef]

i know, but how would haste help

[warped warren]

haste is consistency

across the board

[sharp meteor]

i really do think the ideal setup depends on the comp/matchup

[spice hornet]

survival seriously has too many roots

like holy fk

[sharp meteor]

it really is obscene in 2s

[wheat jay]

Only one

Two if theyre dumb

[wet scarab]

Happy new year fellow zugs

May it be filled with crit executes and mortal strike procs

[wet scarab]

I played crit Kyrian before switching to necro and basically just wasn’t landing the crits when I really needed them. Games went into dampening too often and unless I was playing with a rdruid we would lose the mana battle

It was obviously on me but the unreliable burst was the reason I switched to necro in the first place

After switching back and playing full haste I feel much more effective than I was as either necro or crit Kyrian and I can land early kills even against comps that gave me a lot of trouble like hunters and RM

[thick reef]

full haste Kyrian? ur EM's crit/vers ain't it?

[elder wigeon]

smexxin plays full haste kyrian

[near delta]

Looks like he's also running several mastery pieces over crit/haste too which is interesting

[sharp meteor]

consistency 👌

[elder wigeon]

also true, minimal dependency on crit is nice for consistency

never critting during CD's is a feelsbad when you have a lot of it

[warped warren]

having fast globals feels like heaven

[sharp meteor]

disarming somebody before they can bs 👌

[wanton siren]

Speaking about which I'm a full crit Venth war and I wanna switch to a different covenant to finish the 2.1 push 2s. I plan on staying crit so does that mean Kyrian is better? And in that case Unhinged or Covenant lego

[thick reef]

Crit kyrian + cov lego ez 2.1

But venthyr its not bad tbh vs hunters its so good

[wanton siren]

I love venth but for my experience as an alt warrior just having fun I was crushing and oneshotting people till 1.8, then I became a sustain bot for some reason

I suspect it's better cd usage and more vers from my opponents

Thanks!

[warm sigil]

Any good fury warrior i can watch in arenas, just came back to the game

[mild pier]

Got to 1797 and went on a 4 loss skid. God damn ya'll

[frigid loom]

Just keep queing and look back at why you lost. Sometimes its things you can control and do better, other times you just shrug your shoulders and requeue. Dont focus on rating as that comes eventually when you just keep queing. Win and loss streaks are normal part of arena, and its not uncommon to fluctuate 100 - 200 rating. Just keep at it

[mild pier]

Trying man. Fucking sucks having to pug new healers

[warm quiver]

When I first hit 2.1 in threes. I tanked down 1870 the following week. Just keep grinding.

[elder wigeon]

Smexxin and revolol both tried fury for a bit during the beginning of the season, can maybe check their vods but I doubt there’s any anymore, fury is trash, it’s a noob stomper for sure but just doesn’t have what it needs at high rating

[raw summit]

Same here, low score high gear fury enjoyer

[elder wigeon]

fury is definitely the least viable spec in the game for pvp

[mild pier]

Christ that sounds terrible

[warm quiver]

Oh it was. I hit it on a Monday night. Farmed up 15k honor to upgrade then tanked Wednesday/ Thursday.

[mild pier]

Christ

Like I keep getting within one win of 1800 and then tanking

It's happened probably 4 times by now. Obviously I can hit it but it's just discouraging as a motherfucker

[warm quiver]

Yea I’d recommend just stop looking at cr. 1800 will happen just gotta play.

[mild pier]

Fair enough

[warm quiver]

It happens to me when I’m on Alts and trying to push a certain rating. It’s like I know that game is gonna get it and I try to overthink everything and mess up more.

[elder wigeon]

Ladder anxiety sucks, had a lot of it when playing against big names last season

[warm quiver]

Yea when I recognize a name I always try to do to much and lose. Though have beat a few of em.

[elder wigeon]

I've played into enough of them that it doesn't matter

i care more about performing well against teammates or friends in arena if I end up playing against them, than any blizzcon player or otherwise

[mild pier]

What do ya'll do about monk disarm?

Or just monks in general. I lose every monk/healer comp I face. Like every single one

[sharp meteor]

cross cc on warbreaker or hopefully bladestorm it

[elder wigeon]

yeah pretty much

cover monk until you can bladestorm

[mild pier]

Fuck lol

[elder wigeon]

monk GCD's are faster than warrior so there's nothing you can do, you have to CC them

[mild pier]

Alright I'll give it a shot

[sharp meteor]

like i usually try to cross cc then bladestorm out especially if there's a chance itll eat a stun from the dps

because they usually mashing grapple coming out of the fear or w/e

also keep in mind that unlike a frontal disarm or dismantle that grapple not only always goes through die by the sword but also rips it off

rogue can also step dismantle

[tacit bear]

I just started playing again haven't played in 6 months or so, is venthyr not worth playing anymore?

[elder wigeon]

venthyr doesn't hold a candle to necro or kyrian right now

[tacit bear]

i never did any renown to necro, but im at like 20 or 30 on kyrian, is kyrian good enough?

[elder wigeon]

kyrian is preferable with a few comps

otherwise necro is better

[gritty gyro]

Hi all, do we open with overpower x2 (bedauwd of the 40% more dmg on mortal strike) or start with mortal strike cause of insta healing reduction? And do we use slam a lot?

[elder wigeon]

i never ever pay attention to op stacks

it doesn't make a big enough difference and it's a waste of globals to play for a menial damage increase on one MS

I slam a lot when I'm not taking any damage

[tacit bear]

can someone tell me why necrolord suddenly took the lead or what happened to venthyr or is there a good article i can read

[elder wigeon]

execute buffed and condemn stayed the same and armor was nerfed

necrolord is tankier and offers more for a team than venthyr's single target damage

it just does more damage all around and has stronger burst and utility by buffing everyone else

[tacit bear]

necro does more damage all around?

[elder wigeon]

yes

[tacit bear]

wow

[elder wigeon]

i genuinely think venthyr sucks now

Necro > Kyrian > NF > Venth

[tacit bear]

would i be crippling myself by just going kyrian? i mostly play 2s with a friend

resto druid

[elder wigeon]

No kyrian is better in 2's than necrolord

[tacit bear]

ok

thanks bub

one more question, what's the best unit frames you'd recommend for warrior pvp? is there good profile you can recommend

trying to redo my UI from scratch sucks

[elder wigeon]

I like threat plates + flyplates

gives me maximum customizability on what I see

[gritty gyro]

Tnx @elder wigeon

[frank knoll]

Idk I do fine as Venthyr

[elder wigeon]

venthyr doesn't make warrior terrible, it's just not as good

[frank knoll]

Ya at the end of the day I’m still playing warr. To be honest I think a lot of people overthink the whole covenant thing.

[sharp meteor]

Venthyr feels like a lone damage bot which can be fine but the indirectly nerfed condemn is not ideal

[frank knoll]

I think a lot of people played Venthyr in the beginning because of raid also

I’m personally necro rn just because I love flesh craft

[thick reef]

does anyone use F keys?

[sharp meteor]

I've got stance on F2

[elder wigeon]

f keys is fine for things like buffs or mounts or whatever

[sharp meteor]

Whatever you can comfortably and reliably hit. I've got a weird way of using the keyboard, and rather monstrous hands.

[tacit bear]

monkaS monster hands

[sharp meteor]

The better to strangle sub rogue players with

[raw summit]

I used to have stance on F1 but now mine is on i think G

[tacit bear]

my stance is shift+ scroll wheel up

[sharp meteor]

Scroll used to be my jam but I had too many "fatfingers".

Scroll for kick as lock/sham got so many angry whispers

[mild pier]

Ayy finally hit 1800. Let's fucking goooo

[raw summit]

Gz

[mild pier]

Fired up right now

[sharp meteor]

BG week on Tuesday on top of the 40% buff we just got so should be a good time to be farming upgrades

[warm quiver]

@mild pier grats man! Upgrade that wep first

[thick reef]

i am buying non-strength weapons already....nothing left to buy/upgrade

[sharp meteor]

Yep I think that I just need the polearm and gun

oh and the mastery staff

[mild pier]

Oh for sure. Upgrading a bunch of shit rn

[river walrus]

I finally hit 1800 in 3s playing Fury warrior, that shit was a struggle lol

but i had so much fun tho, I really enjoy the fury play style

even if arms is way better

[spice hornet]

even playing alts in lower level BGs is cancerbecause its literally hunters everywhere

5-10 hunters per game

mm hunters*

[raw summit]

yes and they are all twinked and oneshot you :)

[spice hornet]

lol pretty sick of the mm hunters, they're everywhere.
Play my main, boost my buds bad alts in 2s: MM hunters
Play my alts trying to do BGs: MM hunters

[wheat jay]

Cuz theyre fun in bgs

I only play arenas as survi, but bgs are so fun as mm xD

[spice hornet]

lol im sure they are

def not fun if youre not an mm hunter

I had 10 hunters in one random bg on my alt

[wheat jay]

XD

[frank knoll]

Yea I play BM in arena but I’ll go mm in BGs

Downside is you’re bait for enemy teams rogues

[elder wigeon]

mm is insane in 3's if you're chunli

also insane in 2's too

the croqp is too powerful

[lucid walrus]

croqpdodger

[rough wharf]

How do you best play against dh in 2s? Playing with an rsham. We are currently just cc’ing the dh as much as possible and going healer, going necro didn’t work at all. I usually disarm/cc on meta or eye beam demon form. Any pointers?

[wheat jay]

You can kill dh

They are quite squishy against physical dmg

[sharp meteor]

i don't know about that, chief

[wheat jay]

Well they are more squishy against physical than magical that's for sure

And i think I land my biggest hits on dh and monk

They are literally made to take the dicking

Just gotta watch out for demon proc

Cuz it heals

That's all

[fickle forge]

Definitely their main weakness though

[soft plank]

As ret war in 3s, what do you do vs melee cleaves that has a frost dk? So dk-ww, dk-warr, dk-ret,.. do you try to outburst them on aoe, do you chase their healer, do you stoptheir go and go for yours...? anything we tried didnt really work

[spice hornet]

you blow up frost dk cause he gets eaten alive by rettwar

[sharp meteor]

ams for every seraphim/toll/hammer, 80% amz for every wings

[twilit ridge]

woyers

if any of you know a healer

send them my way

i pugged 2393

im 2374 now

I just need one session

and if you do this for me

I will give you tusks

[warped warren]

[warped warren]

[twilit ridge]

[sharp meteor]

I've already got tusks.

On my hunter.

[mild pier]

Do ya'll use whirlwind in 2s ever? Seems like a huge rage dump for no damage

[elder wigeon]

Nope, i never whirlwind

I would say to use it to get rogues out of stealth but cloak of shadows makes it impossible unless it's been several seconds

[wheat jay]

cloak of shadows is magic immunity tho O_O

[quasi lotus]

he means cloaked in shadows

[elder wigeon]

yea that

[wheat jay]

oh ok

[mild pier]

Okay cool thanks lads. That's what I figured

[torpid thunder]

is venthyr still good for pvp?

for arms that is

[sharp meteor]

not particularly despite being unchanged

armor got nerfed so physical stuff hits harder, then execute got buffed, which positively affects the non-venth specs

kyrian got 8s spear

[warped warren]

sometimes, to break out stealthers

rip thunderclap

[sharp meteor]

hey we pruned your abilities because people might be confused as to when they should be used but here's shield block as arms lmao

[warped warren]

make it 0 rage cost and its super good

but yea

[paper oracle]

I dont even have whirlwind on my bars lol

[elder wigeon]

Kyrian warrior would likely be the safest

[wheat jay]

what healer?

also, probably kyrian

ye, go kyrian

or you can try both necro and kyrian

i play with necro warr, but im survi

[warm quiver]

If the hunter was mm , necro might be a little better

[wheat jay]

For mm kyrian is better afaik

For survi id say necro

Cuz survi is often in melee, so spear peel is useless

[warm quiver]

Meaning from benefitting from banner more.

[elder wigeon]

survival is rare in 3's, you really want to be bm or mm

I'd love to try KFC with a cracked MM hunter some day

[sharp meteor]

mm feels kind of like ele where it just runs around and lives

then dings somebody for their whole health bar

[wheat jay]

Its got enough dmg as it is

Benefis more from having clean shots on speared target

[wheat jay]

I can't play mm for shit

[fickle forge]

You make use of spear so MM can free cast AS

[wet scarab]

warrior rogue priest is actually really fun. it's nice to land kills while the healer is halfway across the map in a stun

[spice hornet]

oh yeah I fought that before at 2600 mmr, the rogue was running one dance build getting either mastery banner (they switched to NF and AA at some point since we kept fighting them) with PI, dark arch MA leggo/sub rogue modifiers - flagellation alone was doing about 40k+ dmg and could kill shaman healer through dark/fleshcraft/link/ascend/earthen inside of a duel

sub rogue needs that

[zealous heath]

how should you play cds in 2s as necro arms?

when I swifty pop at start I always get cced and when I trinket there it always feels bad

[elder wigeon]

cover for yourself with cc or bladestorm

if you can't, split it up or wait

[wicked magnet]

there is truly nothing more frustrating to me than playing with a bad warrior that has gone full haste, im not saying haste is bad but in the hands of the terrible crit > haste for certain

[elder wigeon]

yeah I can understand that sentiment

I have two sets of gear for what I'm playing into lol

25%+ crit for the frost mages and such, and 12% haste 18% crit for everything else

some comps you're gonna have low uptime into no matter how well you play, some comps, your skill matters a lot in terms of how much uptime you can get

the more uptime = haste better, less uptime = crit better

[wicked magnet]

exactly!

also this last guy did 2 warbreakers in 3 minutes and i was helping with frost shock

[elder wigeon]

yeah that's pretty miserable

against warriors i love haste, lets me get bladestorms on their disarms way easier

against monks, doesn't really matter lmao

same thing with rogues, if they want to step disarm you, you're getting disarmed,

monk GCD and rogue GCD is shorter than yours, very easy to get stuck in the global

[full quiver]

yeah i have like equal haste/crit on my necro war

and it feels super good

full crit on kyrian still feels ok, too lazy to switch lol

haven't tried full haste yet

[elder wigeon]

smexxin seems to like it enough to not have any crit at all lmao

[fickle forge]

How much haste do you have?

[elder wigeon]

I usually play with ~12%

hard to go higher since all my gemmed gear is crit

[fickle forge]

And that's enough to squeeze in 3 globals before stun is over?

[elder wigeon]

3 globals for what?

[fickle forge]

Before SB runs out and you get disarmed

[elder wigeon]

storm bolt -> warbreaker -> bladestorm takes <=3seconds to do with 0% haste

with 12% haste your gcd is something like 1.33 seconds

[fickle forge]

True that, but then you still have about 1+ sec of stun when you BS

[elder wigeon]

it buys you more time after you warbreaker to bladestorm immediately if the warrior intervenes to disarm

[fickle forge]

Figured the other day that if you sit with about 15.4% haste, you can get in 3 globals on SB and still hit BS before you get disarmed

[elder wigeon]

i should say it saves you time, about .5 seconds not including the grace period that bladestorm grants

0 haste vs 12%

[fickle forge]

Unfort grace period doesn't work on disarm

[elder wigeon]

it does sorta

I've bladestormed a disarm

[fickle forge]

You've made it work?

Would love to see that

[elder wigeon]

I've been disarmed and bladestormed it

[fickle forge]

If you ever catch a clip of it

[elder wigeon]

yeah never recorded it, maybe I was deceived by another cc happening simultaneously

but crit warriors generally don't have enough time to bladestorm a disarm if I'm in intervene range and they warbreaker

cause then i can intervene and then disarm insta then charge back since it's off gcd lmao

it's so troll

[haughty shadow]

Hey everyone! Ive been playing ret warrior Druid at 2k and we’re having trouble with the 2.1k push.

We’ve been having trouble with spell cleaves of any sort, shadow play, god comp, boomkin frost and shadow priests in general.

We have trouble fighting in the open and I find that our positioning gets kind of fucked especially when we have to start chasing to keep pressure. Is there a good counter that we are missing? Or is that just life as double melee?

[sharp meteor]

also curious rdruid splay tilts my poor ret into another dimension

[full quiver]

yeah we got stuck 2.1-2.15 as ret/war against same thing

i think it's mainly on the ret

cause we have to get their goes off to win

[sharp meteor]

setting up my shadow to help lock friend get glad and we're eating all the retwarrs at like 2300-2400 now

[full quiver]

lol

[scarlet barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdlxQ6Ldvoo&ab_channel=SkillCappedWoWGuides

[elder wigeon]

swap on cen ward, hit closest wizard, don't let your healer get zoned, need coordinated stun goes, line up offensive CD's, don't push in with no mobility when you're not able to connect, line big CD's if needed

rdruid is also potential kill target if they get too confident

I kill rdruids all the time because they're mouth breathers by and large

very few rdruids that I respect

flop is one of them, guy is nuts

[sharp meteor]

it's one of those things where it's hard to have access to the other wizard without losing efficiency

like retwarr vs rdruid splay on tolviron is

not ideal

[elder wigeon]

I'm not a big fan of playing ret war but it's the comp I've been highest with, I'd love to get high rating with my feral friend once he finishes moving in to his apartment

I've got a multi r1 ret buddy I might start playing a bit more with, my healer right now is having the time of his life playing mage in RMP at like 2900 lmao

[fickle forge]

Depends a lot on your ability to swap

[elder wigeon]

@'s me with screenshots and I seethe

[sharp meteor]

reminds me i wanted to play kitty

looked more fun than retwarr

[elder wigeon]

hard to communicate the best target at all times usually you just have to pay attention to your teammate and trust each other

it's too much chatter to just constantly talk about where the hots are and positioning and cds etc, a really good ret war functions like a well oiled machine

I honestly just say "x is good"

sometimes I see rdruids trying to be sneaky by extending a cen ward on a target that has no defensives but not having any other hots and that target overextend because they believe they're safe from weakauras tracking cen ward etc but I'll drop a 16 second cen ward ret that has no hots

[runic cape]

necro or kyrian ?

interested to hear peoples takes

[elder wigeon]

both have their place

[runic cape]

if just getting back into arms pvp what would be your reccomendation

[elder wigeon]

what comp do you play mainly?

kyrian is good with everything, but necro is better for some comps

[runic cape]

ret/sham 3's

[elder wigeon]

necrolord

[green lintel]

Hello folks can anyone type me a Intervene macro for partymembers? need to be useable in 2s and 3s 😄

[sharp meteor]

/cancelaura bladestorm

/cast [@party1] intervene

[quiet blade]

hey all
can someone recommend a good guide for PvP as an Arms war?

[zealous heath]

someone know a necro arms war that streams 2s?

[full quiver]

MUD

rio

larros sometimes streams necro

[zealous heath]

can you message me the streams maybe pweaase?

[full quiver]

sure

[elder wigeon]

if revo ever streams more, he plays necro for ret war

[full quiver]

idk if revo streams 2s a lot tho

[elder wigeon]

not particularly

2's sucks past a certain rating

past 2500 the games are just so unbelievably sweaty and gross

[full quiver]

lol yeah i don't have any desire to play them higher than 2100

[thick reef]

should i kill the darkglare?

[elder wigeon]

you can

[thick reef]

what about infernal

[full quiver]

no

that thing is tanky af

[sharp meteor]

uh i feel like i usually kill darkglare if it follows behind pillar while we're lining the dark soul that is no longer dispellable

rarely though idk if worth

can't remember how tanky it is

can def do swaps to their actual pet tho as they only have one fast rez that can be kicked/purged

[pastel willow]

anyone have any good discords or know of any good pvp communities? On alliance looking to push 2s & 3s

[zealous heath]

omg you LOVE to see it

[sharp meteor]

wow that is a washed checkpvp

also i think i have only gotten 1 whisper in sl on warr

but got like 30 in bfa on my lock

[zealous heath]

hahahaha

I never got whispered but it is also my first pvp season

it's the sweetest thing tho

[full quiver]

Next game, lmfao

[sharp meteor]

he missed his flying serpent kick, sweep, kick, then rolled away from his port and died to a bolt

[full quiver]

Lol

Rip

[wicked magnet]

That's the kind of crap I get on my warrior, no hate messages when I literally one shot people as a kyrian shaman but god forbid I win as an arms warrior

[warped warren]

[marble scaffold]

Whats warrior/druid Win condition in 2s? we manage to do basic setups but somehow lacl the coordination to create situation where he can follow up cc and runninh across open field for bash cyclone doesn't shouldn't work

[twilit ridge]

I get off work early tmo

Time to push boys

[zealous heath]

Made warrior more fun instantly, bring on more whispers

[leaden pasture]

been hearing arms warrior is good with ret paladin but i was venthyr so every group i got into said are u necrolord or kyrian does the ret want a partner thats kyrian or necrolord because with venthyr u use to much rage on condem so not that many ignore pains and with necrolord and kyrian u have a lot of rage is that why or the whole reason to go necrolord and kyrian ? also if you protect the ret by intervene cant venthyr do it to or is it that venthry warriors dont have ignore pain all the time so they just die in higher n higher ratings

[zealous heath]

necrolord banner gives mastery which is mainstat for ret, so they do big damgur

[leaden pasture]

oh ok

[zealous heath]

It is pretty fun, when you see the ret hoj the kill target you focus bolt the healer and just win in 20 seconds

[leaden pasture]

where do you finda ret pally

just in lfg

i changed to necrolord wanted to try it lol

yea i just asked this guy that he told me necrolord you can stay in battle stance longer so thats pretty cool

[elder wigeon]

not really, venthyr just sucks compared to necro or kyrian because they offer nothing to the team in terms of utility and doesn't have as much burst or damage

venthyr definitely is more squishy though, you're often rage starved and can't ignore pain often which will make you feel squishier

It's just bad, I don't think it's good, Necro = Kyrian > NF >> Venthyr

[wheat jay]

nf jumped one spot

9.2 gonna be all nf

beliefe

[elder wigeon]

nah

it's gonna be necrolord for reasons I'm gonna hold out on saying

has to do with kitty cleave tho

[gritty gyro]

As necro arms warrior, how much haste/crit do we need? I 'm reading different opinions. Thanks in advance!

[zealous heath]

Haste ring, legs, chest and then either haste or crit on legendary is what I mostly found unless you want to play big haste

[gritty gyro]

ty so no mastery?

[zealous heath]

scroll up a bit in here, there was some talk about that

[warped warren]

haste in everything, crit in the pieces that cant have haste

[solar yoke]

question: what covenant is looking best for arms next patch?

[wheat jay]

kyrian

followed by necro

[solar yoke]

okay, thank you. Just wanted to know what covenants to work on

[tawny elm]

As necro what percentage haste vs crit? 🤔

[sharp meteor]

refer to Eto's most recent post

that is the conservative guess as to what's ideal rn

well if you want to be more conservative swap out the crit with mastery but really just get tons of haste

[tawny elm]

Thanks!

[mighty cargo]

hey Guys im complete new in Wow and wanna play an Arms pve + pvp but maybe u can give me some usefull tipps for pvp Arms? im fresh 60 with gs 210 from PvE and wanna start now with PvP

[thick reef]

mastery? for what? its still gonna be either haste or crit isn't it

how would mastery ever be the best 2nd stat

[sharp meteor]

more dam without relying on crits

wouldn't grab it over haste

but i could understand over crit

[exotic comet]

Hello guys, is anyone using threat plates? i wonder how do you scale those debuffs that are shown above the nameplate

[wicked magnet]

do you want them bigger?

[exotic comet]

smaller

[wicked magnet]

let me check, i have mine as big bars lol

[exotic comet]

i used bajheera's profile

and they are too big for my taste

[wicked magnet]

ok you go to widgets, auras, and depending on the mode you are doing

icon mode or bar mode

then you adjust the sizes there

[exotic comet]

Found it, thank you very much ❤️

[wicked magnet]

didnt you say in the past that you had gone crit? thats perfectly fine

you dont have to redo all your gear to go haste if you already went crit

[graceful lagoon]

for BGs is 1h or 2h fury better?

[raw summit]

arms

but honestly 2handers is a lot better generally

[graceful lagoon]

thanks

i like fury pretty fun

do u guys know what i should be googling to find the best warrior gear vendors

i wanna play BGs to level up

i found a spot in panderia

[raw summit]

to level it really doesnt matter

[graceful lagoon]

for level 17s, but where else woudl i go

i want good gear to fight the twinks tho

[raw summit]

not worth the effort imo

youll be in the 19 twink range for so little time

[graceful lagoon]

i just need to know where to buy warrior gear

i got the goods for lvl 19 bracket

once i elevate i ened teh good to keep up

[raw summit]

dont you just get those chests from bgs

[graceful lagoon]

yea, but some dude showed mea location in panda land

and i bought some good gear

but its for lower level

just wondering if these types of vendors exist for higher lvl, im sure they do not sure what to google tofind the answer

[raw summit]

i dont even know which mop vendors you mean :)

[graceful lagoon]

yea

or perhaps they exist in other lands

[raw summit]

well if you use mop now

you probably go wod next

[graceful lagoon]

thanks ill try that out once i reach the lvl cap

[raw summit]

oh you mean like level 20?

or what is the goal here

[graceful lagoon]

basically

i want to find the best warrior gear vendors that i can use gold to buy items

similar to "the metal paw" in pandarean

his items go up to lvl 17

[raw summit]

at what level

[graceful lagoon]

right now im lvl 17 so ill be good until i hit lvl 20

then i need the next vendor

that i can use gold to buy items

[raw summit]

its not worth the effort

[graceful lagoon]

why not im just buying items

with gold

[raw summit]

just save gold so you can buy a 230 or something at level 60

[graceful lagoon]

im only playing BGs on this guy

im not worried about hitting 60 on this guy he a guy ima spam BGs for fun

[raw summit]

then i cant help ya

good luck though

[graceful lagoon]

thanks np

[leaden pasture]

sup

warrior power

😄

[dull oxide]

what pvp trinkets are better for arena?

arms warrior :)

[sharp meteor]

generally medallion insignia

[graceful lagoon]

do u guys have any tips on how not to get owned by hunters spamming concussion + cobra shot on me

[sharp meteor]

vs priest i just eat the healer

vs rdruid stunbolt freedom

and hope u have ur own rdruid

[elder wigeon]

I kinda prefer playing with rsham

tried playing with an rdruid and it's way way less fun

but if you like winning at giga high rating you have to have an rdruid

[sharp meteor]

yeah i like rsham but my healers don't or at least not as much

[quiet shore]

what is the addon(s) that display major cds/cc's on your targets nameplate

[elder wigeon]

bigdebuffs

[spice hornet]

do jungles get tired of fighting other jungles

[elder wigeon]

No, they get tired of fighting ret war rdruid

[spice hornet]

hahaha

holy rmp makes me cry

does rmp really have no chance into jungle at all? Surely they can make some good swaps and still win even tho jungle counters? @elder wigeon

[elder wigeon]

a good jungle will make a good RMP miserable, but I think RMP has a better chance into jungle than ret war does into RMP right now

[spice hornet]

yeah thats what i was wondering

i believe it

[elder wigeon]

jungle is the best comp in the game right now I think, in terms of actual odds of winning, but currently RMP is just farming everything aside from WPS and jungle from what I'm seeing

[spice hornet]

yeah highest rated comp on both eu and na right now

rmp that is

[elder wigeon]

the best ret war NA stands little to no chance against the best RMP NA, i have no idea about EU ret war's

[spice hornet]

not too well i watched the top eu ret war get farmed by the top rmp the other week

[fickle forge]

Insert Revolol showing SS of 3 different RMP teams sniping him over 10 games or so

[elder wigeon]

haha i've got a nice counter SS of him farming the ladder playing WPS

https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/44f6fc8897b0aab2bcd6bde052746985-png.jpg he showed me this the other day

[fickle forge]

WPS is fine

[elder wigeon]

fantastic comp