Very satisfying
#pvp
wet scarab
sharp meteor
vanish cloak and step i feel like rogue usually has to misplay horribly to die
although i suppose step is pretty unreliable
thick reef
yay 2.4 my first ever
sharp meteor
Very nice.
thick reef
thanks friend
remebmer u told me that when i posted my first duelist haha u said grats friend 🙂
thick reef
haha fr dude
plain wing
is there an order of gear i should get?
save up for weapon first?
doing arena and i just panick and tunnel so hard.
end up just using rando abilties. slowly but surely!
tunneling so hard (
😦
sharp meteor
Ideally it's mail a few loot crates over from main, or another char, and roll those
as for order probably big pieces first, like wep and chest
plain wing
like buy them on the toon theyre for
sharp meteor
Yep.
So almost certainly worth gambling on at least a few
As even if they aren't ideal stats it's fine
plus u might get a wep
just make sure you're arms when opening
plain wing
do i want the crit or haste stuff
generally
im new to warrior
and this mage rogue comp
is INFURIATING
sharp meteor
🥳
sharp meteor
Dstance in general, die by the sword for their cds, and you can also just bolt/disarm them.
plain wing
not all my abilities fit in central hub wa's
so i look at action bar and always forget about like fear
stun, war banner etc
hard to keep track of everything
sharp meteor
Yeah. Just playing, even in PvE will help you get more comfortable with stuff.
plain wing
just bad at pvp haha
and all around
thanks for the help
just frustrating, panicking, and not knowing what button to hit
sharp meteor
Yeah, just don't stress it too much until you've got some gear. Hard to get a feel for damage when you're hitting for 15% less than you should, and they're hitting 32% harder.
foggy jungle
Best covenant for arms? Kyrian or necro?
grand light
Both good, depends on comp etc
elder wigeon
overall? necro, still comp dependent
I play kyrian when I play WPS or WLS and WMPala to peel and combo
when I play Ret war or kitty cleave, I play necrolord
vital quarry
Hello folks, new to warrior. went necro, what stats should i be looking for?
raw summit
Versa + haste
vital quarry
ok cheers!
warm quiver
When playing against aff lock / holy priest. As arms / MW. What’s the move ? That’s the only comp that gives me issues as of right now. I’m necro too btw
sour bobcat
Necro goes for versa haste , and kyrian for crit vers ?
leaden pasture
any one know if painbringer or executioner is better for venthyr 2v2
both same ilevel 235 legendaries
wet scarab
I haven’t really figured out how to beat good afflocks. Ran into I think Jellybean’s alt yesterday playing with a paladin and got destroyed twice
warm quiver
I just picked up warrior about a week and half ago and been queing around 2.1-2.2. So not sure if my strategy was bad or was under geared at the time
leaden pasture
what covenant do u recomend barbaro
idle oxide
any one know if painbringer or executioner is better for venthyr 2v2
both same i...
Just play Enduring or Spell reflect. Venthyr doesn't benefit as much from DMG legendaries
leaden pasture
thanks rhambo
idle oxide
just frustrating, panicking, and not knowing what button to hit
Practice makes perfect. The more you are in Arena the less you panic when trained etc
wicked magnet
any one know if painbringer or executioner is better for venthyr 2v2
both same i...
executioner, what is painbringer?
oh thats enduring blow, i think thats an odd choice for venthyr but then again venthyr is a pretty odd choice imho
leaden pasture
yea
what do you guys think about the change they did where they had a cap on conquest they removed it so you can just farm away and get full unchained epics?
or im not sure just guessing if they really lifted the cap
sharp meteor
its a nice change to put in after people have reached full gear
catchup on alts, play around with offspecs, try new secondaries, etc
similar to mop where u could buy conq gear for honor after reaching the 27k cap
leaden pasture
sweet so confirmed u can get every slot if u farm the conquest nice man
warm quiver
It’s actually better to farm conquest and get the chests until you get so geared.
thick reef
whats survival hunter's big offensive cd? defensively the same as others right? turtle/feign.
sharp meteor
yep
can also bandage off dots but that isn't really anything to worry about as arms
thick reef
so whats their big pew pew CD? what should i parry for?
sharp meteor
whatever the assault thing is but it's relatively small
you just get domed with kill shot procs with traps on healer
high sustained etc
thick reef
kk thx
vestal ibex
Spent all day playing my Warr and all I can think is "I wish we had Stormbolt baseline"
Should clarify, I've been duelling and playing double dps all day - so Impending has been picked a fair bit 🙂
leaden pasture
some guy in a3v3 put a spear on the ground and then bladestormed and bursted for 10.k when i saw this i changed from venthyr to kyrian so i been going into 3v3s using that method one mouse button is spear then 2nd closes button is bladestorm now i know why warriors chose kyran instead of venthyr lol
wheat jay
ah yes, obviously everyone chose kyrian just to bladestorm inside a spear
compact holly
god i hate arms right now
wheat jay
wheat jay
not only warrior
but okay
tell me young boy
what did bad warrior do to you
and tell me how weak and underperforming your class/spec is
compact holly
nothing i just see them absolutely everywhere
wheat jay
well
ye
it's the most played class in the game
since the game came out
afaik warrior is the most played class in every single mmo game
compact holly
if it's not RMP it's Arms Ret Healer
compact holly
Arms is S++
compact holly
it has everything
wheat jay
ok, what do you play, and maybe we can figure out how you can stop them 🙂
compact holly
how do you not see Arms as an overpowered meta spec
compact holly
i could make a paragraph long list of tools you have but everyone knows so why bother
leaden pasture
any where i can find tips for spear for arena improvement
wheat jay
i could make a paragraph long list of tools you have but everyone knows so why b...
well, I'm not a warrior main atm, so just tell me what YOU play, and we can maybe narrow down your defensive options 🙂
compact holly
okay Ret Paladin
compact holly
Arms Resto Shaman
compact holly
i get zerged
wheat jay
or did you come to ONLY complain that they're meta?
so
you get zerged in mirror games?
wheat jay
you gotta learn it better then
if they run you over
you and your warr can run enemy ret over
if you lose mirror you ONLY lose by being outplayed
compact holly
my only real defensive cd just gets shattered and he mortal strikes my heals
healer sitting hex doesn't help either
wheat jay
ok, bop, eye for an eye, divine shield, shield of vengeance, HEALING, slow on him, you have horse and freedom in case you need to kite
your warrior can save your ass
wheat jay
healer sitting hex doesn't help either
also skill issue, you have a healer shaman, he can interrupt
compact holly
no i'm not i'm a paladin
scarlet barn
you had Minecraft pfp
compact holly
compact holly
ok, bop, eye for an eye, divine shield, shield of vengeance, HEALING, slow on hi...
bop gets purged, shield gets shattered, vengeance doesn't do enough, heals are cut due to Mortal Strike, slow gets dispelled, steed and freedom just gets leaped on
also ret and kite do not belong in the same sentence they are notoriously slow
i'll try to record some games next time but yeah Arms is insane
wheat jay
bop gets purged, shield gets shattered, vengeance doesn't do enough, heals are c...
eye for an eye 🙂
also, as I said
if you lose mirrors
you need to get better
not just you
your team as well
elder wigeon
Man why play ret war if rets are so dog shit
elder wigeon
Wrong
elder wigeon
Ret rdruid is cracked
elder wigeon
I don’t play with a druid
worthy fern
Cervantes only dk above 2700 in 2s lol
@elder wigeon ok well we know dk is trash but just about anything else prob works for someone that is that skill level
elder wigeon
at 2700 mmr i only play against hunters
worthy fern
Hunters rogues ferals prob
elder wigeon
played against a demo lock and just schooled his rsham, should've played with a druid
worthy fern
Outlaw seems to be pretty busted
worthy fern
Who’s that
elder wigeon
he's just insane
thick reef
This is a little self-contradictory. Supposedly haste is better for sustained damage when uptime is high. At higher ratings, we get peeled more therefore should technically make haste even less desirable and crit better.
elder wigeon
he played against dillypoo and meh in a 2's series like 10 games, and only dropped 1 game
elder wigeon
This is a little self-contradictory. Supposedly haste is better for sustained d...
idk why smexxin and revolol only play haste then if that's the case
thick reef
maybe they just dont give a fuck lol, they are so good that haste or crit dont even matter to them. Pretty sure Smexxin has some mastery pieces that i'm sure he can, but don't bother to replace.
elder wigeon
he's like 22% haste 13% mastery as kyrian lmao
thick reef
yeh, and mastery is damn sure not good so....how do we know he build haste on purpose.
elder wigeon
because he's been haste the whole season
elder wigeon
if it wasn't intentional he would've changed it by now
he's also gemming haste if that isn't a big enough tell
thick reef
idk why smexxin and revolol only play haste then if that's the case
dont get me wrong, i fully agree that at higher ratings , we get peeled more, has less chance to dump on target with full CDs. But logically, i think that would mean landing a crit in the limited uptime we have on a target is even more important.
sharp meteor
unreliable
elder wigeon
idk, haste does feel better the more i spec into it
thick reef
sure, lower GCD always feel better
sharp meteor
and it's peeled on cds which makes consistent/reliable dmg important
as games come down to mana
thick reef
because he's been haste the whole season
he streams doesn't he? hopefully get a chance to ask him one day
thick reef
whats the quote?
elder wigeon
I'll just ask him what he thinks
I've asked him before, he just hates how unreliable crit is
wheat jay
Haste is guaranteed more dmg
elder wigeon
and likes how fluid high haste is with enduring blow
wheat jay
Crit is unreliable
thick reef
I've asked him before, he just hates how unreliable crit is
hes full crit...
thick reef
oh i was looking at his kyrian
elder wigeon
he doesn't play it much
thick reef
whos his necrolord warrior?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/Revolol this one is full crit Kyrian
elder wigeon
revolol, idk what server
elder wigeon
his kt necrolord warrior
elder wigeon
the same argument for crit and haste can be made with low uptime
wheat jay
3rd crit
elder wigeon
haste = more globals more rage with less uptime
crit = big hits with the few globals of uptime you have
wheat jay
Most have crit, they could be sitting tho
The fact is, however, more and more people swap to haste
For more consistent pressure
elder wigeon
lots of warriors are sitting because RMP
ret war loses to RMP
it's like a 80/20 matchup at 3200+
sharp meteor
yeah rmp is either 2k or 3k
elder wigeon
vanguards got farmed out of r1 last night by rmp
wheat jay
Time to snipe haha
sharp meteor
went to queue a few weeks ago and it was actually inactive enough to snipe at only like 2600ish
9 month seasons
karmic jolt
Logged into my war for the first time in a year. Most players when I played were either Venthyr or Kyrian. It looks like everyones swapped to necorlord. Why is that?
sharp meteor
good and easy
people split between kyrian and necro rn
with a few people still playing venth
and like a dozen nf memers
karmic jolt
I've always been NF. 😦
sharp meteor
ill be nf next season i think
elder wigeon
I'll be venthyr next season likely
sharp meteor
sinful surge plus enduring looks fun
kyrian > venth = necro if continues to have strong synergies with solid specs like ret > nf?
elder wigeon
i'll be playing full haste venth with surge and enduring
should be able to have something like 80-90% uptime on colossus
sharp meteor
yeah wanted to try that and just
pve one guy
but have already played necro kyrian and venth so wanted to finish as nf once
thick reef
nothing comes even close to Kyrian EM+whatever
sharp meteor
venth has a lot of potential
and necro/glory might see buffs
we'll see
nf scuffed as shit because it's good in pve and the leggo sucks
thick reef
and necro/glory might see buffs
how do u know
elder wigeon
elysian might is situationally strong, honestly it just feels like i press it to get x amount of peels out of the way for my warbreaker
or vice versa
thick reef
i am not as optimistic. for both PVP and PVE, warrior at least have a really strong covenant legendary. Wouldn;'t be top priority for blizz to buff our other covenants
sharp meteor
how do u know
i am basing this assumption of what i imagine is their state in pve
arms looked like ass going into bfa so im like hey lets setup the old warrior
and sure enough it got a bunch of pve buffs
which carry over into pvp
glory and necro as i recall aren't popular in pve
and as a result might get some buffs, that'll carry over
but we'll see
thick reef
me too, based on PVE, Kyrian is top notch for raiding/M+, so there isn't really a point to buff other covenants. dev might just say/think "stop qqing, go play Kyrian"
sharp meteor
people have been saying that since the first few weeks of s1
sharp meteor
🥳
wheat jay
And billzard is retarded so they didnt separate those buffs
Now warrior is solid everywhere
Buffs wont come
sharp meteor
all they have to do is increase cd on a few honor talents
thick reef
Now warrior is solid everywhere
with the exception of M+.
sharp meteor
then nerf ip or die by a the sword a bit
thick reef
at high IO, its WW/Rogue only for melee.
thick reef
meh i think warrior needs like a soothe or smthing to be at least viable, which it currently isn't, but thats not for this channel.
warriors get zero invites at high keys. exactly why i picked up pvp in December lol
thick reef
nope, only if its the warrior's key, or like a fixed group with a warrior in it
zero chance at pugging
wheat jay
If you want to do high key, you dont pug it
thick reef
agreed.
wheat jay
You make your own group, of course its fixed group
Same in a pvp, if you want to play seriously, you get a group
It is what it is
sharp meteor
furries in shambles
wheat jay
Ye
wheat jay
ur meant to get a group for super endgame stuff
Makes sense, doesnt it?
sharp meteor
ya ofc
wheat jay
You need consistency, need voice, teamwork, etc
thick reef
anyways, back to the channel lol, i don't see them buffing sinful surge/glory/aftershock when we can just play EM
sharp meteor
it was just always odd to me to see people trying to lfg/novoice it up
and they're allways super unhinged
wheat jay
Haha ye
elder wigeon
EM is a noob stomper, at high rating people just bug out of it or shut it down 100%
spear is most useful when peeling honestly, otherwise I feel necrolord banner is better than spear in every way, for a warrior, disregarding comp
sharp meteor
em isn't bad but people have figured out how to semi-reliably get out of it
or drop a puddle on you zzzzzz
sharp meteor
i feel like the most value i get with spear is vs melee cleaves
just pin them both
to peel
elder wigeon
EM is nice don't get me wrong, but it'd be op as fuck if it was unnerfed and also wasn't so easily stopped
yeah, exactly
that's why you play kyrian when playing with a caster
sharp meteor
like my enh shaman was playing feral lunge sometimes
and just popping out of the spear
kajlsdad
elder wigeon
i play necro for cleaves fuck it
sharp meteor
cringe buggy as shit ability
elder wigeon
even for kitty cleave
wet scarab
I prefer kyrian playstyle just because I find it better against the kiting classes and comps I struggle with but I’ve had too many times with bad rng on crit and procs when I desperately needed the burst. Necro always feels intimidating by comparison
I don’t remember the last time I’ve lost a mirror match up to a kyrian warrior as necro
Often with rdruids I’d win as kyrian but the games would last forever
I also find I’m much more likely to get a kill with necro when I make switches
Because of that burst
elder wigeon
druids can bug out of the spear if they're good
wet scarab
Sorry I meant that if my partner is an rdruid
Why aren’t there more double warrior comps in 3s? Honestly it seems more oppressive than warrior ret with a banner every minute
Constant one shot potential with something like unhinged
elder wigeon
could get glad for sure with it but it's not a r1 viable comp
and people don't play it because it's not fun
I've tried to play it and carry a friend of mine to glad and I just have zero fun with it and doesn't feel very good
wet scarab
How come? What do you mean by it not feeling good
sharp meteor
no reach
no sustain
two banners for double mastery and smacking somebody with a 45-50k execute is funny though
wet scarab
Yeah I feel like the games wouldn’t last long enough lol
Or at least you’d have major goes if you rotate banner instead of using both at the same time
*more frequently
sharp meteor
what's funny is the sheer volume of peels you have
wet scarab
Yeah your healer is basically invincible
frosty flower
Maybe there needs to be more double warrior comps
elder wigeon
warriors have no peels for wizards
you have a disarm duel and 3 second intervene for melees, it's not exactly gamebreaking
sharp meteor
queue into wizards and it's like dw buddy i got safeguard for u
queuing into wizards in general
elder wigeon
idk if it's cope but skillcapped videos that simp hard for demon hunter and shit on warrior for how disgusting op it is make me mad
talking about infinite team utility and being disgusting at being able to stop RMP like it's nothing
idk if you checked but the only warrior comp that has a chance vs RMP is WPS
and it's not because of the warrior lol
sharp meteor
ya every go feels covered completely
and can trade stuff as usual but like
usually its rmp throwing when they let u scuff a go
elder wigeon
lmao yeah usually I use banner and my disruption on smaller goes to help keep my teammates from using additional shit, so instead of losing in 3 goes we lose in 4
memes aside I do feel like my personal defensives aren't even a drop in the bucket compared to what I need to live vs RMP
pale minnow
Idk why are people crying about warriors, all my wins in 2.5-2.6 are against warriors god bless them and their dumb rat paladin, and jungle, i play priest warr + mistmonk and our problems are rmp, locks and everything whatbis caster, with monks as well
Saw once double sub rogue literally cheesing the game, they dueled me after one another and there isn't shit to do to save me, only like pre cocoon or some prediction
But gl predicting while you are cross ccd
sharp meteor
historically bad melee curbstomp bad wizards
you will see 10x the complaints about mm/arms/ww as u will sp or rdruid
elder wigeon
sp, war, fire mage, rdruid are the worst offenders right now not in any particular order
but you can't nerf warriors by much
unless you just want a dead melee spec
sharp meteor
warr is in a weird spot where idk what they'd nerf aside from utility cds or minor nerf to die by the sword cd, or ignore pain
i feel like people don't respect conq banner + ava + warbreaker the way they respect seraph + wings
and if they did they'd have fewer issues
elder wigeon
just a minor nerf to d-stance I think would make sense
sharp meteor
at least in the low to low-mid mmr range
uhh dstance seems fine just
parry cd too short maybe
ip too stonk
elder wigeon
we have too few defensive CD's for ourselves, the ones we have are too strong
sharp meteor
actually had a bunch of kills on warrs lately because they often send parry in opener vs like turb/retwarr to peel opener with vene
elder wigeon
yeah
sharp meteor
and/or they duel so we just turn and hit them
elder wigeon
yup duel is a pseudo defensive
sharp meteor
like if their healer isn't on point it can get real bad real fast
its like swap off cen ward
elder wigeon
if warriors didn't have d stance, they'd flop, genuinely
sharp meteor
actually instantly ya lmao
i dont' think some people realize how much dam the spec takes relative to others
elder wigeon
idk if that's cope but RMP's just 100-0 me in 2.5 seconds through d stance with just kidney dance bomb and random f mage dmg
sharp meteor
yeah its like i trinket fear
step disarm dr'd kidney
die
i dislike the good rmps
stressful
elder wigeon
the good rmps feel impossible as ret war
like my ret has to insta bubble if it's bust on first go
my sham's trinket is not enough and neither is my ret's and both trinketing is bad
leaden pasture
any one know once you throw down spear u over power mortal strike execute warbreaker or do you just spin and bladestorm in 3v3
i mean bladestorm on top of the spear
cosmic dune
hey necro warriors, do you guys wait 30 seconds on avatar to cast with conq banner every time?
frank knoll
Venruki is playing BrM in 2s
warped warren
tough compass
@cosmic dune in 2s yes unless I can kill with avatar only. In 3s ist depends on comb and enemies
sharp meteor
any one know once you throw down spear u over power mortal strike execute warbre...
generally bladestorm is to dodge cc/disarm
so if u think u will get cc'd on spear or conq banner then bs to dodge incoming stuff is good
uptime is king
IDEALLY get hit by the cc as bladestorm is going off so you're put on dr in the case of stuff like poly/cyclone but that can be sketchy in the heat of the moment
eager oracle
Does anyone actually FC prot warrior in RBGs anymore, I think my biggest complaint is that groups hold out like 40mins to get a Druid then just play 1 game
sharp meteor
i thought guardian still busted
eager oracle
Yeah it is, just didn’t know if prot warrior with double leap can do things
eager oracle
Yeah I get they’re the better play in non FC maps too
sharp meteor
even veng pops like a bug
eager oracle
It’s taken me forever to push rating. Currently 1600CR and we’ll beat 2k+ CR teams in pugs and I’m only getting like 25/rating per win
sharp meteor
rbgs kind of deadski
sharp meteor
oh yeah
eager oracle
But yeah I get that, the other team used a monk FC once and this ret pally and I 2 shot him with 2 healers nearby
Have not done that to a Druid before
sharp meteor
YEP
full quiver
Idk early on I got 1750 on dh in rbgs in like 40 games
If you play with decent groups it's pretty easy
sharp meteor
that's so many games
full quiver
Wasn't that bad
First like 15 or so was with low mmr group
Just farming my honor lol
pine canyon
If I have a 190 legendary, can I upgrade it to 262 all at once (with one piece off the AH) or do I need to upgrade to rank 4 then rank 6?
trying to avoid spending money on two pieces if I don’t have to…the 262 helm is 100k gold…
sharp meteor
can upgraade straight to 262
pine canyon
Thanks!
thick reef
so when and how do you use war banner. Mud said its a very high skill cap ability, and should just not use it if not able to use it correctly.
minor vector
you slap it down when you think cc is coming, whether it be a paladin/priest rolling in for fear/hoj or a poly/clone being cast
particularly when they're setting up for a go
kind of finnicky but when you stick the landing it can save games
thick reef
everyone moves around so much makes me feel like its a wasted ability most of the time
elder wigeon
i would agree with mud at least on the "if you can't use it properly, don't use it at all" sentiment
I only run it into RMP and Jungle/KFC and even then it's very hard to get good use out of it
overwhelming majority of the time you're covered for any real CC goes, the big thing is using banner for any smaller goes where perfect coverage is hard or when they're going for extended CC on your healer like DB ring into sheep or vice versa
thick reef
ya maybe i should stop using it
elder wigeon
if you can't reliably stop full sheeps/rings on your healer or full traps from jungle, then don't use it, less value than another talent like master and commander for example
sharp meteor
good evening i hate rmp
lucid walrus
badass
plain wing
Let me just say, as someone that was originally turned off by arms cuz I thought it was too simple.... ive had a lot of fun playing it more and more
so many small things you can do - looking forward to improving
struggle hard with mages, hunters, and rogues
lucid walrus
there are a few micro-level plays that shit on rogues. gets a bit tougher in 3s ofc
watch that kidney cd and sit d-stance when it's coming up for example. you win the long game against, say, sin
plain wing
any good addons/weakauras that show cd of kidney etc?
also mage/rogue 2s just troll me
this is more abstract level/ general, but are there any good resources to find which classes to target/ kill targets
strategy etc
lucid walrus
nameplatecds is a personal favorite for tracking stuff. omnibar and omnicd are both very good
plain wing
man I can barely keep track of my own cd's
let alone the enemies hahaha
stupid question... but how you get a rogue to blow kidney when your bladestorming.... wont they just hold it. I feel like an idiot
warped warren
bladestorm all the kidneys and you're good
yea just have storm on a 20s cd lmao
scooberz out here 1200 mmr acting cool and stuff
smh
warped warren
stupid question... but how you get a rogue to blow kidney when your bladestormin...
you have to anticipate the kidney
full quiver
LOL
sharp meteor
storming kidneys is like
hoping the rogue is a grandpa
and throws kidney into it
sometimes they do but eh
warm quiver
How do you beat Ww in 2s seem to be getting clapped by them
elder wigeon
it's not super easy, just have to have perfect defensive response, never get double leg swept
monitor procs and cooldowns basically
warped warren
How do you beat Ww in 2s seem to be getting clapped by them
take turns trinket fearing /w.e your healer has to stop his clones on bonedust
then just play super offensive when he doesnt have sweep
full quiver
Bladestorm all the aweeps
leaden pasture
whats the fastest way to get honor random bg random epic bg or brawl ashran to upgrade the gear
elder wigeon
rated bgs
frigid loom
How do you beat Ww in 2s seem to be getting clapped by them
Insta disarm when he pops bonedust. Then he cant set up the insane burst
And fear the images
elder wigeon
what're you disarming?
the only thing a ww can't do when disarmed is fist of fury
never run disarm into WW
warped warren
And fear the images
you ideally fear the clone fists, disarm doesnt do anything
frigid loom
Disarm messes with their bonedust 🙂
fierce elm
Except that they can just spin
fickle forge
Disarm only stops FoF 
scarlet barn
Disarm messes with their bonedust 🙂
Yea, they will start laughing
full quiver
Lol
oblique grove
Is exploiter venthyr still a thing, or is it garbage now?
sharp meteor
fists is for parrying and proccing dragon punch not rly doing dam
sharp meteor
Is exploiter venthyr still a thing, or is it garbage now?
it's exactly the same as it used to be
definitely fell off a bit tho
necro/kyr just seem better
oblique grove
Got it, thanks. Just coming into shadowlands and picked venthyr on dated information. Ill just swap.
leaden pasture
any one know the top two covenants kyrian and necrolord i have been debating wich one to take i feel kyrian has good setups with spear but necrolord has more survival like oozes that protect u
any one know the pros and cons of kyrian and necrolord
leaden pasture
also as u complete a arena milestone for example you go from combatnant to challenger u get upgrades for 16 slots and i would think necrolord would benefit from that upgrade of ilevels on 16 slots
ok so ri confirmed necrolord stronger for if u upgrade your gear
and kyrian is setup
leaden pasture
no i mean
comparing kyrian and necrolord
when u go from combatant to challenger and upgrade your gear as a necrolord covenant you hit harder after you upgrade
minor vector
its just playstyle preference, kyr is generally better for caster/war comps and necro’s good for melee cleaves
u hit harder no matter what cov u are
leaden pasture
ok
i farmed like 70k gold for like 3 weeks now i have 70k but im not sure if i should go necrolord and make a 262 legendary painbringer waist guard for necrolord or should i make elysian might leggo for 70k 262 ilevel
for kyrian
raw summit
Try em both out a bit then decide
leaden pasture
kk
raw summit
Crafting a leggo and then realizing you dont enjoy it would be tragic
leaden pasture
yea thats true
kk thanks for helping me ri and phill
gun go smoke then craft it
raw summit
happy to help, good luck in the arena
warm quiver
Kyrian def feels better after you get the Lego.
raw summit
Agreed, it gets burstier for sure
elder wigeon
kyrian is okay, I only play it because it helps my sp out when i play WPS
otherwise I want to be necrolord
sharp meteor
the amount of shit that can negate spear tilts me
just swinging into people with conq banner up feels nice
plain wing
not gonna lie
im in super lower brackets cuz im super bad obviously
but NF ability recks
plain wing
Yea i mean
if i can ever hit 1800 itll be a miracle
Im that bad.... hoping to improve haha. I just am not good at pvp in general/ know the general strats etc.
sharp meteor
i queued into nf warr playin terby at like 2600ish
like it's obviously not good but
can still thump somebody for almost 30k
I really wnated to play it with rdruid tsg where you grip people into the combo then fae slam and vortex keeps them in it as well as chains and limb
wheat jay
i queued into nf warr playin terby at like 2600ish
Let me guess Ggrimm?
sharp meteor
i thought that guy was eu
and nah i don't remember the name
a friend of a friend who raided did push his glad with nf and overshot it by quite a bit
at the end of the day it's still war and not an awful ability
elder wigeon
trash
sharp meteor
i mean it doesn't exactly do anything special
more than fine for glad if you feel like soft griefing teammates a bit
thick reef
when and how should i use Misshapen Mirror for 3s
raw summit
fury warrior
respec arms and win games
leaden pasture
i was watching a a guide from revolol i ddint know his partner was vanguards and in the video the warrior is support and lets the ret pallie do damage vanguards made some one from 100 to 15 life
sharp meteor
warr keeps the ret alive ya
is why rets wont queue cupid or literally anything else
plain wing
So I think I need to better with cd’s… when is the best time to use things like parry, fear , stun etc
Rally
plain wing
And is it good to track enemy cd’s
sharp meteor
of course
plain wing
Just to see when to be offensive / defensive ?
sharp meteor
yeah that's dstance usage in a nutshell
warm quiver
Can also track your own Dr’s and switch battle and d stance between the stuns.
sharp meteor
just need to be careful to not get caught in cc until off stun dr because setup poly while in battle can be lethal
ashen axle
ive been CE with arms for a bit and have never tried to push pvp much. I figured id try and did a bunch of research, but i still feel like if i did 1000 games i would have the game sense of a 1600 player
i dont understand how people learn how to pvp, is it a thing anymore?
sharp meteor
it's just one of those things that takes a bit to get into the rhythm of
and isn't the most pleasant journey if you don't have regulars to play with
warm quiver
Just takes practice. This meta is basically just about doing damage and trading cooldowns. Which is 95% of pvp
sharp meteor
yeah gotta find way of taking something from as many matches as possible regardless of possible
also as he says it's mostly just being calm and efficiently trading cds and damage
leaden pasture
i upgraded my gear a bit went back to venthyr for 2s and it hits pretty hard only thing is compared to other covenants u constantly use your rage on condemn instead of ignore pain but its really high daamage
still cedar
Hunters suck. That is all.
wanton patio
Do any here can give a spreadsheet on which spell warrior should prio to reflect in 2s and 3s?
frank knoll
I still play condemn like a hipster
near inlet
Against rogue mage which one you ficus? Rogue or mage? Mage hard to catch :( rogue usually escape :s (2s)
warm bough
Is fury better for PVP or arms?
raw summit
Arms
digital basin
Hey, around what percentages are crit/haste/versa with optimal pvp gear?
elder wigeon
whatever you prefer, everyone is playing everything at the top
sharp meteor
Hey, around what percentages are crit/haste/versa with optimal pvp gear?
nobody knows lmao
bright moth
Against rogue mage which one you ficus? Rogue or mage? Mage hard to catch :( rog...
Rogue
Your healer needs to help
dont waste charge or leap
hamstring
tough compass
@bright moth Intervene doesnt work against bladestorm and most of ret DMG, the best to intervene is if ret devine tolls
- its only 3 secs now
so its kinda semi good anyway
Ill mostly uses when my healer is stunned
fickle forge
<@!161211204440817665> Intervene doesnt work against bladestorm and most of ret ...
Works against most of ret's burst wdym
tough compass
You 2 are big brains lel
scarlet barn
well , relatively speaking yes
sharp meteor
yeah intervene eats most ret stuff
so sometimes you'll just ding the warr in the opener if he doesn't use something
tough compass
it only workfs for judgements not for final verdict unless they dont play the legendary, also it doesnt work for final reckoning
"most of ret things<2
sharp meteor
i thought i killed a warr just the other day with fv
tough compass
nah ire pure holy without physical trigger
it always went through intervene and bop
sharp meteor
but toll is still pretty big to stop
graceful quarry
bop obviously bc its only physical
tough compass
intervene is only physicasl aswell
graceful quarry
then how does it work on dt
graceful quarry
fickle forge
It intervenes melee and ranged attacks
sharp meteor
yeah hammer of wrath also physical trigger or w/e
fickle forge
Aka weapon based attacks
fickle forge
Just like you can intervene Condemn
sharp meteor
despite it being magic yaa
tough compass
@fickle forge it still doesnt work for most of ret things tho
fickle forge
But the largest damaging attacks you intervene
And if man runs sanc over FV he only has wake to get past Intervene
wicked magnet
feel free to roast the UI am I intervening wrong?
do you have safeguard conduit? looked fine but you began to burst right after then bladestormed like you have unhinged lego but i didnt notice any mortal strikes flying out and you had plenty of other things to do to save him
fierce elm
the intervene is early
scarlet barn
@tough compasswe just tested it
for fun of it
And
Intervene eats Final Verdict
Soooooo
tough compass
Soooo you etiher intervene 1 FV or Divine Toll
divine toll is still the betetr option
graceful quarry
or both
fierce elm
you can eat both
scarlet barn
🙂
graceful quarry
bc intervene lasts longer than 1 gcd
tough compass
Yeah but Ret burst is Divine toll > Final Rekconing
and then interven eis over
becauser ret gloabls are usually
graceful quarry
nobody uses final reckoning anymore
fickle forge
Yeah but Ret burst is Divine toll > Final Rekconing
Most rets play sanc doe
fierce elm
Weird
fierce elm
Either way, @bright moth your intervene is somewhat early
sharp meteor
ya sanc feels nice although final is a good option if u queuing with something that has cc u could break with sanctified
sharp meteor
necro pickin up popularity
fickle forge
Izi 45k in one button
graceful quarry
but 50k on läder
warped warren
+1
graceful quarry
smh no wonder BigDomb is higher rated than u
warped warren
ye what a retard
fickle forge
love to see mages proccing caut from 60% <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
When you exe mage at 35%, and his hp doesn't move an inch, but he's on fire
👌
sharp meteor
awww yiss
sharp meteor
im like hey watch this and charge warbringer sd proc a mage and just 1-tap him from full health
warped warren
love to see it
sharp meteor
actually surprised they didn't touch sd rage like
getting a proc during cds is so nasty
like SD execute countas s though it consumes less rage in pvp
but procs more
warped warren
anyone else play double time into disc priest to charge weave with warbringer and 300% damage amp????
warped warren
deathwish or
sharp meteor
just berserk, it was some tiny rogue
warped warren
anyways, casually charging for 16k into a mortal combo for 30k
warped warren
now thats what i call gaming
sharp meteor
had a lucky win vs rm because i got a proc on the rogue with enduring
conq banner avatar mortal strike
dropped him from like 40k
sharp meteor
second warr only had enduring at the time
actually a 190 battlelord which i originally crafted
sharp meteor
ye i figured it'd be solid after rework but
enduring creating little windows is nice
sad ill never get to experience enduring plus bl
cringe cov leggos
warped warren
glory
sharp meteor
can't wait to provide 400 mastery to my fourth teammate for an additional 2 seconds
bright moth
do you have safeguard conduit? looked fine but you began to burst right after th...
Yes I run safeguard looking bad should of focused on surviving
panicked I guess
frank knoll
Queued into Prot warr/Ret last night, we won but most obnoxious shit ever
warped warren
dont think its possible losing to prot warr
frank knoll
He was mainly just being disruptive and keeping his Ret alive. Was running the shield wall legendary
barren halo
can u guys explain to me why all the pvp youtubers and everybody else is switching to necro lord? whats the thing i dont get
frank knoll
can u guys explain to me why all the pvp youtubers and everybody else is switchi...
Because epic MUD one shot compilation
thick reef
is it Avatar-Banner-WB, or another order of burst rotation?
quasi lotus
because Ret/Warr is top 3 comps in the game and benefits from necro warrior. Also because at this point everyone knows what to do about spear
frank knoll
Yeah it’s sad a zug comp like Ret warr is top 3 and not high skill comps like Jungle, RMP or God Comp
Sucks that jungle can play perfect and still lose on mana. Sad to see
quasi lotus
🎣
sharp meteor
Yeah it’s sad a zug comp like Ret warr is top 3 and not high skill comps like Ju...
i will heem you
even in jest this isn't funny
frank knoll
Spell cleaves and RMP should by default always be better than something like Ret Warr that requires no IQ
plain wing
if im trying to get better at warrior, you guys recommend any youtubers to watch? Mainly doing 2s now and just want to learn
guessing gameplay/commentary vids are prolly the best way to learn general strats and what to do etc?
sharp meteor
Hm, not sure. Just poke around for 9.1.5 warrior stuff.
warped warren
Sucks that jungle can play perfect and still lose on mana. Sad to see
missed this pasta
warm quiver
I know necro is solid in 3s but is kyrian still better in 2s or do we just necro all the way ?
sharp meteor
kyrian seems better in 2v2 yeah
rping as mud and just 2-hitting everybody to duelist is super fun tho
warped warren
playing around a spear you can miss, dodge, immune out of
or
140% movespeed, cant get slowed, having 50(00)% damage incr or w.e for 15s being a unstoppable killing machine
plain wing
im currently NF (getting to 80 renown and then swapping to a diff cov).... @warped warren you saying I should go Necro over Kyrian?
warm quiver
I was necro to almost 1900 then got the kyrian Lego. Thought I was doing it wrong but I like necro a lot more.
sharp meteor
people don't respect it like they do wings
warm quiver
Around 2-2.2 mmr
plain wing
what about for bg's?
hmm kyrian is super good for m+ too
why does the pin show both kyrian and Venthyr being better, just out of curiosity?
warped warren
im currently NF (getting to 80 renown and then swapping to a diff cov).... <@!21...
id recommend necro over kyrian, yea
kyrian is better in m+ for sure
plain wing
How do you guys mainly use fear/ stormbolt in 2s?
warped warren
bgs i like necro aswell
sharp meteor
i mainly bolt the guy I'm hitting off dr
sometimes healer and my healer stuns kill target
fear is sometimes to setup, often to peel
raw summit
fearing pets can be okay
sharp meteor
yeah fearing monk clones is a big one
plain wing
ok cool, thanks
elder wigeon
i wait to see bonedust hardcommit
sharp meteor
yeah dust 10 and clones are 15 so ideally on the dust
elder wigeon
every 45 seconds they have SEF
the WW monk is a brainlet if they send SEF without dust
sharp meteor
every 45 seconds they have SEF
pardon
and yeah sef after because it's off gcd
can't remember the exact order but fish for crane kick proc, sweep, keefs, sef, rsk/sck
elder wigeon
you can recharge while holding on to another so you're never wasting time, send the first, wait 45 seconds, send the 2nd, wait 45 seconds (1st charge back up) send the third, then it's every 90 seconds, but I'm pretty sure if you wait a minute every time, you can do 1 every minute 4x then have to wait 90 seconds
sharp meteor
ah yeah yeah
that minutely go is pretty spooky especially if they're playing with a kyrian druid
elder wigeon
yup kyrian boomies with DH or WW is nasty
thick reef
this is driving me nuts, why wouldn't omnibar be working
elder wigeon
is it set up to track arena 1/2/3?
thick reef
setup tro track all enemies
elder wigeon
enabled in arenas?
plain wing
I see a bunch of pvpers have a bar that tracks enemy cd's, interrupts, etc
is it a weakaura or something else
raw summit
OmniBar?
elder wigeon
Yes that'd be omnibar, unless you're talking about above their health bar, then that'd be nameplate cooldowns
cosmic pumice
hello guys, i watch bajheera video, tell me macro overpower to ignore pain. I follow, BUT my friend 1800 tell me it is bad, who is right?
he is very high(1800 last season) so maybe he is right ?
steep inlet
lol
quasi lotus
lol
bonjour les gars je regarde la vidéo bajheera me dire la maîtrise de la macro pour ignorer la douleur. Je le suis, MAIS mon ami 1800 me dit que c'est mauvais, qui a raison ?
steep inlet
leaden pasture
if im venthyr wich one should i pick executioner or painbringer legendary for 2v2 venthyr arms warrior push
warped warren
γεια σας παιδιά, βλέπω βίντεο bajheera, πείτε μου macro overpower να αγνοήσω τον πόνο. Ακολουθώ, ΑΛΛΑ ο φίλος μου 1800 πες μου ότι είναι κακό, ποιος έχει δίκιο;
είναι πολύ ψηλά (1800 την περασμένη σεζόν) οπότε ίσως έχει δίκιο;
somber comet
helo bois, dwi'n gwylio fideo bajheera, dywedwch wrthyf macro or-rymus i anwybyddu poen. Rwy'n dilyn, OND mae fy ffrind 1800 yn dweud wrtha i ei fod yn ddrwg, pwy sy'n iawn? mae'n uchel iawn (1800 y tymor diwethaf) felly efallai ei fod yn iawn?
warped warren
helo bois, dwi'n gwylio fideo bajheera, dywedwch wrthyf macro or-rymus i anwybyd...
LMAO wtf is this
thick reef
that looks welsh wtf
warped warren
somber comet
scarlet barn
hello guys, i watch bajheera video, tell me macro overpower to ignore pain. I fo...
Ok i will assume that you arent joking for sec
1, dont macro it like that
2, 1800 is not high at all
leaden pasture
is there a chance to get 2k from 1800 before the season ends or new expansion comes out
mystic barn
yes it takes less than 1 sitting
graceful quarry
Hallo Leute, ich habe ein Bajheera Video geschaut, welches mir sagt dass ich Überwältigen zu Zähne zusammenbeißen macron soll. Ich folge, DOCH mein Freund der 1800 ist sagt mir dass das schlecht ist, wer hat recht?
Er ist sehr hoch (1800 letzte Saison) also hat er vielleicht recht?
fickle forge
hallo folkens, jeg så bajheeras video, fortæller mig at macro overpower til ignore pain. Jeg fulgte, MEN min ven 1800 fortalte mig det er dårligt, hvem har ret?
han er meget høj(1800 sidste sæson) så måske han har ret?
scarlet barn
Ahojte ľudia, pozerám Bajheerove video, vraví že mám namakrovať overpower do Ignore painu. Chápem ALE môj kamarát 1800 mi vraví, že je to zlé, kto má pravdu? Je veľmi vysoko (1800 poslednú sezónu) tak možno má pravdu?
raw summit
Hallo Leute, ich habe ein Bajheera Video geschaut, welches mir sagt dass ich Übe...
Bajheera is a bit higher rated than 1800 for one, but the main reason it might be a bad idea is overcapping on overpower buffs or having someone in CC near you targeted
Oh for fucks Sake i ate the pasta
graceful quarry
warped warren
😂
raw summit
frank knoll
bok momci gledam bajheera video recite mi macro overpower da ignoriram bol. Pratim ALI moj prijatelj iz 1800 mi kaže da je loše, ko je u pravu?
veoma je visok (1800 prošle sezone) pa je možda i u pravu.
quasi lotus
Wagwan gangstas, i checked out big BaJ video, saw overpower ignore pain macro ygm, followed that shit. My main man dave tell me that shit is garbo, is he chatting biscuits?
Big Dave hit eighteen hunno so maybe hes legit?
warped warren
Wagwan gangstas, i checked out big BaJ video, saw overpower ignore pain macro yg...
ok stop 🛑
dark sparrow
hallo jongens, ik kijk naar bajheera-video, vertel me macro-overmacht om pijn te negeren. Ik volg, MAAR mijn vriend 1800 zegt me dat het slecht is, wie heeft er gelijk? hij is erg hoog (1800 vorig seizoen), dus misschien heeft hij gelijk?
fierce elm
heyday ho guys, me watchen bajheera video, tell mesa macro overpower to ignoren pain. Me followen, but palos 1800 tell mesa tis bad, who right?
hesa berry tup(1800 lasten season) so mebbe hesa right?
eager oracle
Hey all. I am looking to push my 3s rating a bit and don’t want to get into any bad habits. If I am the dps target I assume I might just play the whole game in defensive stance, or should I swap out of it for my burst CDs?or do I only d-stance if my healer is out of externals ?
I currently don’t have a team/comp so not sure if that needs to be taken into consideration as well
thick reef
if i have EM from pve with crit/haste, do i really have to make another EM with vers
minor vector
vers is king but if you're just going for 1800 it's fine
otherwise yeah should make another
thick reef
no i am at 2.1k mmr
minor vector
ya should prob aim to make another then
full quiver
It doesn't matter
thick reef
basically 84 haste vs 84 Vers
full quiver
Your gameplay is going to make you lose way before 84 verse lol
minor vector
^
sharp meteor
if gold is no object then sure
that little bit of vers won't exactly make or break anything
cosmic pumice
`i ask a question yesterday and everyone bully me
thick reef
still need the crit/haste EM for PVE
cosmic pumice
so should i macro ignore pain to overpower or not? it seems like a good idea to me
full quiver
you guys are not cool
You are not koolguy ok
thick reef
so should i macro ignore pain to overpower or not? it seems like a good idea to ...
in general, macroing any ability together is not a good idea
i'm sure thats what everyone else will say
cosmic pumice
dang okay
full quiver
This is a much better macro to use
cosmic pumice
i was wondering because i like to have as few buttons to press with macros as possible
i try to macro everything
i put spell reflect on my mortal strike since it's not on globa (Friend say it's good?)
thick reef
wouldn;t u be at risk of not enuf rage for MS
eager oracle
hate torghast
Same, I put Netflix on and just farmed 9s by rushing to the end floor bosses so that I didn’t have to pay attention
thick reef
i put spell reflect on my mortal strike since it's not on globa (Friend say it's...
are u trolling?
cosmic pumice
no, i am not. is it bad? my friend suggested that its good but told me overpower and ignore pain together is bad
i do not understand why
wheat jay
ok jokes aside
quasi lotus
both of those macro's are big bad
wheat jay
that macro is absolutely dogshit
never use it
NEVER macro ignore pain to ANYTHING
you don't use it on cd
quasi lotus
don't macro spell reflect to MS either
cosmic pumice
but why, everyone says its bad but doesnt explain
wheat jay
don't macro any defensive to offensive
full quiver
Artji and bev haven't even gotten 1800 on war yet season
wheat jay
but why, everyone says its bad but doesnt explain
its a defensive
thick reef
i put spell reflect on my mortal strike since it's not on globa (Friend say it's...
i understand why u said ppl bullied u. I would too.
full quiver
Don't listen to them
wheat jay
had 2k, and its my alt lmao, suck it scoob
quasi lotus
Artji and bev haven't even gotten 1800 on war yet season
literally have s2 duelist wdym you fucking trog
full quiver
Lol
wheat jay
so, its a defensive, you use it to defend yourself, not when you do dmg
wheat jay
ok scoob, chill mr career combatant
cosmic pumice
i got pretty high as it with these macros...1449, but maybe if you guys are 2k maybe i should not use it
quasi lotus
Scooberz is derailing but
full quiver
Lol
cosmic pumice
myt friend is also high rating(1800)
wheat jay
i got pretty high as it with these macros...1449, but maybe if you guys are 2k m...
1449 is not high btw
cosmic pumice
its not?
quasi lotus
OP + Ignore Pain serves no purpose other than draining all your rage for no real reason
thick reef
GUYS HES TROLLING
wheat jay
stfu
sharp meteor
1449 is mid-high but not quite high i agree
full quiver
Lol
wheat jay
i dont care if he is
full quiver
No way??
full quiver
Koolguy is not trolling I know him irl
wheat jay
stfu you too scoob
thick reef
im not trolling im honestly asking
w/e, fk off
sharp meteor
cosmic pumice
wtf
full quiver
Listen if you want big 38k executes
cosmic pumice
so mean
wheat jay
its bad
full quiver
Don't listen to these noobs
cosmic pumice
okay i will not macro it together
full quiver
Use BIS macro
wheat jay
xD
sharp meteor
it can be okay to macro stuff together but also have them bound by themselves
quasi lotus
Koolguy is a hero here okay. His words are so important we translated them into multiple languages
cosmic pumice
do we still play venthir?????
sharp meteor
do not use the bis macro 💀
wheat jay
no
wheat jay
kyrian/necro
wheat jay
cuz bev overclocks when he presses more than 2 buttons in his rotation
wheat jay
checkmate hunter
1v1 in front of orgri?
sharp meteor
venth is fine but i think kyrian/necro better in general
wheat jay
you're alliance?
sharp meteor
ya mudhut noshoes faction
wheat jay
see Bev
sharp meteor
shambles
full quiver
my warrior is higher cr than your warrior and I am Venthyr
Lol
wheat jay
maybe you'd have been higher rated if you weren't on DEAD faction
quasi lotus
DON'T @ ME
full quiver
Lol
wheat jay
and you didn't have to sit lfg for 3h before queueing for 2 minutes
thick reef
1400 is highest mmr thats where all the big guys que
sharp meteor
ur only alli if u have regular partners
full quiver
Bev only does venthyr 2s
raw summit
But id go necro
sharp meteor
fury doesn't seem bad
wheat jay
it is bad
full quiver
So he just hits 1 button for 90% of the game lol
thick reef
fury in arena iv seen like 4 in about 700 games played
sharp meteor
idk if i'd play it over arms but it seems okayish
raw summit
I play fury but i suck
full quiver
There are some decent fury players
thick reef
I play fury but i suck <:okayge:917646812519739433>
its ok i do too i feel
and yeah there are
graceful quarry
its weird, bev relies on condemn charge but his calves are still bigger than yours @full quiver
cosmic pumice
last question, how 2 conuter fury warrior? this shit is op? does way more damage than me