pvp

[warped warren]

🐱

[nimble harbor]

usually would ilv 250 PVE equipment be better than say ilv 236 eq?

[elder wigeon]

just depends on the piece and how much vers you're losing

[frank knoll]

Ya warrior straight up destroys DKs

I love it

[sharp meteor]

as necro yeah

kyrian can be iffy

[elder wigeon]

wish i destroyed warlocks like DKs

[sharp meteor]

queuing into mld and splay is suffering

[frank knoll]

I was smashing em as Venthyr

[frank knoll]

Bro, like I said earlier, my least favorite is fire mage/1 min convoke feral
Like a cheesier Rogue Mage

[elder wigeon]

venthyr is the absolute worst into DK's

actually kinda hard to kill a DK as venthyr

[frank knoll]

Only while they have AMS and AMZ i queued into like 4 of them in the 10 games today and wrecked em.
Maybe they were just bad idk

[elder wigeon]

bad and not playing rune of spellwarding

[frank knoll]

Yeah cause my healer and I had razor ice stacks

And they weren’t playing glacial advance that I can remember

[sharp meteor]

venth is hard because dks are anti-magic and generally warriors are all physical

so having your big red execute get mitigated by all their shit is not ideal

also they can do the classic thing of pressing chains and walking away, similar to kyrian

necro is all physical and ignores slows so they're actually scared during banner

although amz/ams etc scuffs your rets dam

[frank knoll]

Ya I don’t run into a ton of DKs cause I almost always do 2s and they aren’t there

Queuing into 4 in one day was kind of weird actually

[robust carbon]

No correlation to each other, spellwarden is a pvp talent, you don’t need the runeforge on the weapon

[wet scarab]

Been running necro a lot and I think it’s because I suck but I absolutely hate caster dps comps in 2s

Got up to 2087 then ran into double mage and mage lock comps until I dropped to 2040

Doesn’t help that with a MW we had no purges

Ah and an spriest lock

[idle oxide]

You run haste or Crit heavy as Venthyr these days? What feels better?

[sharp meteor]

so the idea behind crit was the big burst windows and i really wonder if haste battlelord is better now

[fierce elm]

If you ran haste venthyr you light aswell run EB

[sharp meteor]

like in s1 especially early the lining up your big mortal strike with a bolt warbreaker condemns etc let you have pretty potent little mini goes on people regardless of your current partner and just not sure that works well with the spec now

might try EM venth with haste in anticipation of sinful surge in 9.2

[frank knoll]

I run crit and I play executioner which kinda sucks tbh

Just seems like my MS never crits when I need it to

[wary frigate]

the last couple teams we played would do the standard go of cheap me > sheep me > kidney/cheap my warr and burst him. he would trinket first and we'd survive, but rogue would run adn get reset, mage would kite warr, and then as DR ran out rogue cheap me > sheep me > same thing. warrior isn't able to put enough pressure on mage to put him in danger while rogue is afk around a pillar waiting to reset. i trinket their 2nd go, then 3rd one they win.

[fierce elm]

Its up to both to stop restealths

[wary frigate]

is that the win condition? not letting rogue reset?

[fierce elm]

Its a big one in fact

You cannot let stealth specs restealth

[wary frigate]

i mean even if he doesnt get restealth he just has to stall long enough for dr to drop so they can do their set up again

we can never stick to rogue or mage it feels like to keep pressure up

[fierce elm]

Then thats a fundamental issue, your warrior shouldnt have issues reaching a mage

[wary frigate]

same with other slippery comps like ret/feral we had an issue with cuz we couldnt stick to them so they'd just reset over and over

[fierce elm]

Saving avatar for one root, bladstorm for the other one

Charge, hamstring, leap

[wary frigate]

so in rogue mage war should be sitting mage?

[fierce elm]

Sit whatever you can hit, generally mage is easier to kill with a shaman

[wary frigate]

but then how do you keep rogue from restealthing if you're on mage

[fierce elm]

But that all comes down to if he can actually hit mage

Flame shock, keeping him slowed, earth ele, totems, pressuring mage enough for rogue to not afford a restealth

Keeping rogue in combat should be a non issue

[wary frigate]

i need to watch some some vids of ppl against rogue mage cuz i must just be bad lol

[fierce elm]

I mean if you are letting rogue restealth yall just playing it wrong

I think in every RM match I have played both in s1 and s2 rogue has gotten a total of 10 restealths maybe

Your biggest win condition is how much pressure you can put out

and honestly how good sham is into RM

[wary frigate]

if war is on mage then war pummels poly any time they try to set it up?

[fierce elm]

You have two kicks, rotate them

[wary frigate]

i'm usually in a cheap if the rm is any good

[fierce elm]

The only time yall should be in big trouble is during Combust

then yes he should pummel it

You arent gonna be in a cheap shot if rogue gets 0 restealths tho

[wary frigate]

he can still kidney, or dance cheap

[fierce elm]

Dance if its sub

and if he kidneys you that means they cant kidney warr

so warr can just waltz out of w.e

[wary frigate]

so if war goes mage and knows how to play that fight well, the rogue shouldnt be able to afford running to the other side of the map to get a re?

[fierce elm]

yes

[wary frigate]

cuz if i have to choose between staying w/ war on the mage or chasing a rogue going the other way, idk which to do

[fierce elm]

You can do both

Warrior shouldnt need any healing if its just mage either way

[wary frigate]

tru

[fierce elm]

Flame shock both, start pumping lava bursts

[thick reef]

man, having to tc comepletely ruins the fun of RBG for me

[grand light]

should i be using reflect lego as warr/ret/heal into jungle/rmp?

[elder wigeon]

honestly just depends on if you can get value out of it, it's hard vs jungle to reflect for your healer when playing a cleave

[primal stirrup]

Can some1 tell me how pvp gear works if the season switches ? can I farm pvp gear now and upgrade it and it will still be good for next season?

or do I have to buy new conquest gear next patch ?

[warped warren]

gearing now saves you being even further behind next season

there will always be crafted gear ofc

[primal stirrup]

is it hard to get started with crafted blue gear ?

[warped warren]

its kinda miserable, yes

unless you get hardcarried by a full geared partner

then its w.e

[raw summit]

I played from 0 gear to 1400ish on an alt this season

I wouldnt wanna go through that again

Pure misery

20k HP diff and you do half their dam :)

[surreal moon]

hi guys

what covenant and what legendary are you playing on pvp arms ?:)

[scarlet barn]

kyrian or necro, Elysian might ( if kyrian dpeending if opponets can get out), misshapen mirror, enduring blows

[sharp meteor]

^

90-95% of the time it's EM as Kyrian, Enduring Blows as Necro

I'll play misshapen into hunters in 2s and wizards in 3s especially ones where I don't have excellent uptime

[surreal moon]

thank you

[frank knoll]

Ya so as a Venthyr exploiter is kinda underwhelming I might make battlelord instead

[warped warren]

[scarlet barn]

nice bait

But if not bait

Then ... why?

[frank knoll]

18k mortal strike maybe , whooppity dooo
There’s necro warriors in rival gear hitting 28k executes, maybe I just need to be necro

[sharp meteor]

35-40k if they don't use anyhting

owO

[warped warren]

yo maybe i should make reprisal

enduring doesnt proc enough for me

[sharp meteor]

unironically gonna try battlelord haste venth in anticipation of sinful surge in 9.2

hope they buff condemn by then

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

enemy team can't know what I'm doing if I don't know what I'm doing

[warped warren]

imagine

double time

reprisal

yooooo

practically immortal into hunters !

[frank knoll]

Bro what about fury.. picture this
Max slaughterhouse stacks + unhinged
65% healing reduction

[sharp meteor]

my healer only wants to play druid now so queuing into hunters is fine unless it's one of the five good ones

[fickle forge]

Yooooooooo is this the return of 110% MS?!?!

[wheat jay]

I can't believe we've come back to this

holy fuck

[sharp meteor]

full vers/mastery night fae with unhinged for ultimate 1-shotty goodness Owo

[warped warren]

mastery big poopoo

[sharp meteor]

i need something turbo meme for my night fae push next season

maybe i'll go panda too

[paper oracle]

So in what you described, I tend to always go rogue. After they open, its a team effort for you and the warrior to stop the restealth. Stick earth ele on him, earth grab totem to root in place. Dispel your warriors sheep or nova. Warrior should be trying to reflect a poly on the mage to stop the peels. If the rogue is heading to a pillar, you guys need to split and go both directions so the rogue can't escape. If you can get him to use vanish while one of you still has trinkets that's very good for you. Your warrior needs to be using bladestorms to avoid dbs sheeps, disarming rogue. If the mage is fire you can also go mage, and just let the rogue free restealth but again its a team effort. Earth grab after a blink. Warrior has to match his gap closers with the mage gap closers. He should honestly have no problem sticking to a fire mage.

A near trick you can try is if the map is really big, you can bait the mage to one side of the map, then swap sides on your mount and his invis will run out and will have a harder time opening.

You can save both trinkets if you can avoid the mage in the opener.

And you warrior needs to try to bladestorm the opener so hes not getting ccd and he can stop the poly on you or he can disarm rogue.

[wet scarab]

Just to jump in on this, do you recommend storm of destruction over warbringer for rogue mage matchups?

[sharp meteor]

I'd go with disarm, big rally or banner over either of those vs rm

as you're generally just playing to scuff their goes

[wet scarab]

gotcha, thanks!

[opal wraith]

I'm venthyr right now and looking to swap to either kyrian or necro. whats looking better in 9.2? I play alot of 2s and 3s

[sharp meteor]

I think Kyrian is better and more versatile right now, and that'll continue to be the case in 9.2 when we get our bis leggo baseline and can pick another when Necros are stuck with Glory

Subject to change etc but the utility of spear is just nice

[scarlet barn]

🤦

[frank knoll]

Damn I guess that won’t work

[sharp meteor]

finna q male vulpera night fae with unhinged next season i think

randomly bonk idiots with my pixie slam

[wicked magnet]

bag of tricks can do some decent damage

[thick reef]

how do u TC in a flag map

everybody is scattered

and i am either chasing enemy FC or following my FC

[sharp meteor]

identify who is in a vulnerable spot and bonk them

bolt into sharpen fks people up if team follows up

[hushed plank]

Mighty you need to be in the team fight not following your FC or going after there FC to even TC .

[low gulch]

Actually me

[fluid lichen]

lmfao

fury gonna be better than arms now??

[elder wigeon]

don't give these fucks anything, don't be sorry for playing warrior, there's tons of times in the past where warrior is out of the meta

[fluid lichen]

is warrior still the most op class? cause otherwise i wont play this sht

[sharp meteor]

ya

[elder wigeon]

no it's not the most op class anymore

everything's busted

[sharp meteor]

also true

seeing a lot of aff/demo

and dh found necro so it doesn't squish as easily

mm buffed bigly so seeing that a lot, and people discovered outlaw

it's like there aren't really any weak specs

[elder wigeon]

mm is fucking bonkers man

necro dh is also insanely hard to kill

[thick reef]

Anyone played warr/sp to glad this season?

[elder wigeon]

I haven't played it to glad per se, but I've played into it and a bit myself

[thick reef]

Ok well I’m 44/50 atm and I’ve been necro all the time but last two sessions we tanked like 150 cr down from 2.4 + and they want me to go kyrian. Imo it shouldn’t matter if it worked this far. Was just looking for opinions if kyrian rly is that much better in this comp.

[elder wigeon]

kyrian definitely is better for sure

reason being, is that you can spear to peel and you can also use spear to deny kill attempt on psyfiend for hyper lethal goes

[thick reef]

Fml of to thorgast then

[elder wigeon]

super easy man, just an hour of farming

[thick reef]

Yeah, conduits gonna be the problem.

[elder wigeon]

piercing verdict? not really a problem, just kill the world boss and pray for a 200, then get two soultwining crescents and boom 226

[thick reef]

You only play EM as kyrian right? Really fond of enduring ^^

[elder wigeon]

yes only ever EM

I don't like kyrian anymore, much rather play necrolord, much more fun

but I don't play any comps where kyrian is best

[thick reef]

Same. I was kyrian before swapping necro but I don’t enjoy ret/war so kyrian for sp/war probably makes more sense

[elder wigeon]

I play Kitty cleave and ret war

Kitty is extremely fun

[thick reef]

Yeah I like the utility of sp and I guess feral has a lot of that as well

[fickle forge]

Commit

[elder wigeon]

what

[warped warren]

sephuz into rogues

[thick reef]

Even as orc?

[warped warren]

yes

[thick reef]

Ok, thx

[warped warren]

you play kitty yourself.??????

[elder wigeon]

i love sephuz into rogues especially as orc

[fickle forge]

When I can, I commit full time to kitty 👀

[wheat jay]

Except you can't

[paper oracle]

quit meme'ing people into building that shit legendary

[warped warren]

???????

u domb or

its broken

[paper oracle]

there's never a time to wear sephuz, stop it

[warped warren]

??

guys dont listen to this guy

hes trying to sabotage your gains

[paper oracle]

no u

[warped warren]

u

[full quiver]

lol

last thing warrior needs is more tools for rogue/mage

[warped warren]

ok mister 1250 mmr peak careerer

[full quiver]

lol

[full quiver]

can you even have 1250 mmr

[warped warren]

probably

im sure there are anchors with negative mmr

[sharp meteor]

you can have low triple digit mmr at least

my healer wanted to see how low we could get some alts and we stopped at like 450-500ish i think because it was just other people instantly leaving

and queues actually got long

[thick reef]

currently using Enduring/Necro in 1900 MMR 2v2. Should I craft Misshapen mirror? if so, who do i use it for

[sharp meteor]

i just play it into hunters and vs 90-95% of them it prevents them from trapping entirely

[thick reef]

how?

[sharp meteor]

they intim healer, u reflect, it eats the trap because the hunters healer doesn't know he has to hit it off

[thick reef]

ah

this is MM only or both MM and BM

[minor vector]

mirror for all active shooters

[thick reef]

also, Spell Reflection lasts 60% longer and applies to your nearest ally. is there a range? so in 2s, if my healer is more than 40 yards from me, technically they are still my closest ally, will it still apply?

[minor vector]

p sure the range is 50 yds and requires line of sight

[thick reef]

o

[sharp meteor]

just hunters in general

although mm has the weakest trap setup

[thick reef]

do u guys ever use emblem?

[sharp meteor]

i queue turbo they go my enh 95% of the time

i queue retwarr they go my ret 95% of the time

if it's some double dps 2s or like wizards 3s then maybe

[thick reef]

kk

[warped warren]

i pmuch exclusively use it into rmp

sometimes not even then

im a glasscannon kinda player

[thick reef]

haha

wait, is 246 Jaithys > Rival II, 255 pvp wep?

[sharp meteor]

yeah if i die i die

also no idea about the raid sword

gun to my head i won't raid

[wet scarab]

discovered today that unhinged plus storm of destruction, avatar, colossus smash and banner 1-shots monks. It was pleasant

also bounding stride is the final solution to hunters

is leaper worth it into hunter teams?

[sharp meteor]

bounding stride is inting but maybe leaper for like 2s if you're doing hunter vs bm/rdruid or something

[wet scarab]

honestly was using bounding stride as a replacement for the legendary because I never bothered to grind it

but I find that in hunter healer matchups if one of them doesn't die in the first minute and a half defensive stance isn't going to save me

maybe I should play more defensively in the matchup but I have yet to play with a healer who doesn't go oom against hunters with the consistent damage

and as necro I find they kite me a lot more easily than Kyrian

with bounding stride I actually killed the hunters first in 2 matchups with a priest and rdruid

[sharp meteor]

hunter/priest usually already kind of free because u just pve the priest

rdruid is the scuffy matchup

[warped warren]

no, use pvp wep

[warped warren]

it most certainly isnt

[warped warren]

makes no sense

[wet scarab]

I could spear them after most feigns as kyrian

[wet scarab]

was exaggerating of course, it just worked for me in 2 games that I tried

I think I was frustrated with the losses to hunter teams and wanted to try to shake things up a bit and to just kill the damn hunters

[dark sparrow]

What dog hunters did you face bro since they feigned anything other than spear lol

[tawdry badge]

against bm, holypriest

who do i focus

thanksfor answers

i lost

[minor vector]

outplayed

[frigid loom]

Know the feeling, thats why i started going double time and leaper legendary vs them 😂

Doubletime with warbringer ofcourse

[surreal moon]

what's the best weapon with conquest

?

[ember rose]

Sword

[surreal moon]

crit versa?

ah, nvm

thank you

[warped warren]

priest

[thick reef]

hmm is pvping for the tier pieces viable in 9.2

or pvper would have to raid to get tier pieces faster

[wheat jay]

We'll know when it starts

Or when we get more details

[frigid loom]

Cba to raid, so i hope to god not 😂

[thick reef]

how the heck do you reach 260+ ilvl ?

all pieces 259 + 262 leggo is 259 at most

[sharp meteor]

elite upgrades although that doesn't affect pvp

[wet scarab]

Generally if I connect meaningfully with them they feign, especially if their healer is cc’ed

[thick reef]

i dont get it, elite upgrades the pve ilvl, but pvp ilvl is still 259....why would elite upgrades increase pvp ilvl.

[sharp meteor]

they wouldn't

[wet scarab]

Lol they get super confused when you keep chasing them with double time and leap, they just don’t expect and I’ve noticed they’ll even overlap the cooldowns with like turtle and leap of faith. It’s a bit how sometimes you can fuck with dks by reflecting their slow and they get confused and run away

Granted this is rival 2 so not pro players or anything

[sharp meteor]

i could see a case for leap leggo

not sure about passing on bolt

aand not taking dstance is actually griefing

[wheat jay]

You don't

[wheat jay]

Probably a bug

This isn't possible ingame

[sharp meteor]

Yep, the site takes the pvp gear then adds ilevs, rather than goes off the tooltip.

246 gets dooted up to 259, 249 goes up to 262 despite only scaling to 259 in pvp

[thick reef]

ah, so the site is wrong. in-game/LFG shows 259 at most right

[sharp meteor]

Probably

[warped warren]

its a checkpvp bug

[thick reef]

kk

do you kyrian bois swap to another leggo if u face a team that can get out spear?

[sharp meteor]

I've played enduring into some spriest teams

and just used spear to bait fade

[thick reef]

how does spriest get out of spear

[sharp meteor]

they just press fade

[wheat jay]

Spear is just fade for them

[wet scarab]

It’s funny every game you play without the 8 sec spear they assume it’s 8 and it forces major cooldowns

[thick reef]

is it a meme if i play unhinged main? lol, ppl save their major cds waiting for spear or banner, but die to BS

[wet scarab]

I one shot a WW today with banner blade storm and it was the single most satisfying moment of the season for me

With unhinged that is

[thick reef]

why isn't unhinged more popular

[minor vector]

It’s very telegraphed once people know you’re running it and gets rid of using bladestorm as cc immune utility

But it’s pretty good into melee cleaves, i like it into tsg as necro

[thick reef]

how would ppl know ur running it

oh okay i guess after the first spear they'd know

but as necro, its harder to tell

if a warrior is running enduring or unhinged

[wet scarab]

Also EB is consistent damage overall against teams that aren’t stacked on top of you

Can EB proc off of storm of destruction?

[minor vector]

Thats mortal wounds not mortal strike

[wet scarab]

Ah got it, thanks for answering the noob question

[wheat jay]

Its a cheesy oneshot thing

At higher mmr people dont stand in bs

And if you use it, you also pop all cds for bladestorm

And they respond with defensives

[sharp meteor]

generally you bs to dodge cc, and having extra damage tied into something that's used to maintain uptime or shut down a go isn't ideal

so either u use it to dodge cc and potentially miss out on burst dam

or make bad play by choosing to hold it for dam

which is why i think that it's either a smurf pick or maybe vs enemy melee cleaves?

[hidden herald]

what covenant is favored for mainly 2s?

[elder wigeon]

I've achieved the same as necro and kyrian in 2's however, I think kyrian is a bit better against rdruids

[hidden herald]

mm agreed

and rdruids are everywhere in 2s

yeah

[tired portal]

so does thorns now work when applied on an ally from a distance? i found a supatease video saying they changed it, but a later wowhead article saying they fixed it?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowlands-hotfixes-for-december-3-2021-druid-thorns-fix-325181

[elder wigeon]

it wasn't doing damage properly in general, has nothing to do with the thorns change prior

[tired portal]

so does thorns still damage you if you hit into it and the resto druid is more than 10 yards away from the target with thorns on them?

[elder wigeon]

no

[tired portal]

awesome :D, ty!

[warped warren]

becuse its very easy to play around

[warped warren]

bladestorm fucks tho crit 7k

[warped warren]

ye it works like it should now, sadly

[warped warren]

ye it does

[thick reef]

do i need to kill earthen wall totem? what about spirit link totem

[warped warren]

dont touch earthen

always kill link and tide. kill healing stream if its convenient

[elder wigeon]

then they reverted their previous change back to the way it was before

[warped warren]

?

link

[elder wigeon]

there was a change that made thorns not slow and deal damage(?) to attacks from >10y

I don't have a link

[warped warren]

can you make up your mind or

[elder wigeon]

I'm not making it up, just can't remember because it doesn't affect me as a warrior really aside from heroic throw

[quasi lotus]

in the last week Resune?

because thorns was fixed like 2 weeks ago

[warped warren]

yea

[elder wigeon]

so does it slow and deal damage to ranged attacks now?

[warped warren]

what

[quasi lotus]

Thorns is melee. The fixed problem was the druid outranging their partner I believe

[elder wigeon]

that was the change, it was fixed to no longer slow and deal damage to people from certain abilities, like heroic throw

if >10y

[quasi lotus]

p sure the fix was making thorns still work when the druid is > 10 yards from who he cast thorns on

which is what the dude asked

[warped warren]

no, the change was that if you thorns a teammate then go 10 yards or more, away from him, then thorns would not do anything at all to attackers

has nothing to do with ranged or specific spells

[elder wigeon]

didn't know it was bugged out then

[warped warren]

[elder wigeon]

I don't hit into thorns so

way too much dam

[tired portal]

awesome, ty for the clarification 😄

[unkempt arch]

what do you guys think of shield block in pvp ?
+how often do you use it ?

[lucid walrus]

never considered it through this expansion’s length

[unkempt arch]

why not?

it looks strong on the paper

idk i don't play war a lot but if I understand correctly it's a 6s block for 30 rage and 1 GCD, but can you equip your 2H back within the 6s ?

looks like a fair trade to me vs some classes

[warped warren]

its not worth it

[wicked magnet]

you cant block even with the buff if you dont have shield on

[unkempt arch]

yeah but that's an easy macro to make

[wicked magnet]

i use the macro sometimes in wpvp like if i have no defensives left and i just need to survive a hair longer

[unkempt arch]

I'm just trying to figure out. It seems like a full 6s immunity to melee to me

[wicked magnet]

no i mean if you use shield block and immediately switch to 2H

you cant block without the shield on

[unkempt arch]

ah ok

even so

[wicked magnet]

its not an immunity its just some damage is cut off from blocking

i think the macro is worth having, it hardly ever saves me but it has saved me

[unkempt arch]

ooooh okay. How's that damage cut off calculated ?

(or where could i find this information? 🤔 )

[wicked magnet]

🤷‍♂️

all i know is, if i got nothing left and theres melee on me and i need to survive just a hair longer i give it a shot lol

[unkempt arch]

ok but let's say it prevents like, 20% only. Still not worth ? like, a rogue or a paladin... I mean yeah you do loose a big chunk of damage but do you really need to deal damage at all times ?

as dk it seems to me there are times where all I do is spam death strike to survive (and fuck dps 🤷‍♂️) and it just seems surrealist to me that warriors have this kind of ability and won't trade it. Unless it's < 10% dam reduction

[warped warren]

press it if you want

wont change the fact that its not good

[unkempt arch]

I'm just struck by the fact that this is not good
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Block says blocks reduce incoming damage by 30%
and so I'm like, why is it not good ?

Only reason I see why it wouldn't be good is if you'd rather deal damage than trade

[warped warren]

dstance is enough

blocking would make you lose out on too much damage

which leads to negative pressure

it being 2 globals and costing rage

makes it no good

[past vapor]

I'll queue some WPS later and can't decide between Necro and Kyrian, do you guys have a clear preference for the comp?

[unkempt arch]

well, yes makes sense 🤔

[thick reef]

what is better

necro or kyrian?

[wicked magnet]

2 globals?

[lucid walrus]

swap + block

[wicked magnet]

if you use equipslot its instant

[warped warren]

swap, block go back to 2hander

[wicked magnet]

i only use mine when i got nothing, they arent about to die, im about to die and as just a last chance of surviving a second or 2 longer i do it

[thick reef]

welp maintenance extended by 6 hours

[past vapor]

Extended maintenance? Never heard of it. Is that some kind of NA thing?

[thick reef]

yep

might be in preps for 9.2

my bg downlaoder was downloading it few days ago

i think were only weeks away from 9.2

[past vapor]

9.2 soon

[thick reef]

wow. my maintenance page now shows servers down til 6:30 PM PST so 9:30 EST

am i missing something lol

[lucid walrus]

p sure this just means before noon central time

ext'd maintenance isn't terribly abnormal tbf

[thick reef]

how do u use duel against ret in 3v3? stun/fear wings first, then duel him if he trinkets, or duel him right after wings?

[fierce elm]

Duel him out of stun

[sharp meteor]

duel countered by swapping onto you so be careful

the higher you go the quicker people swap off defensives because they're watching for them

[thick reef]

so get ready to pop something as soon as i duel

[lucid walrus]

unless >25k verdicts are a favorite snack of yours, ya

[sharp meteor]

yep

[somber comet]

I love the feeling of a 30k final verdict

Makes me feel

Special

[sharp meteor]

I'll be like in the global of pressing duel and they'll swap to me

[thick reef]

what do u start with when u see a ret pop wings? duel right off the bat?

[sharp meteor]

gotta be careful during that 10-20s window

usually bolt first, then duel/fear out

[thick reef]

ah ok

what if u needa save bolt tho for a setup like if its ret/warr?

[sharp meteor]

then some unga bunga mix of intervene rally sham wall etc

[thick reef]

yea

[sharp meteor]

wym ur bolt is the setup

counter pressure

ideally want to get your stuff on them asap

really though turbo and retwarr mirrors can go like 10 minutes LMAO

[thick reef]

true

what i meant by

setup was

dont u alwyas wanna use cross cc as ret/warr and usally u bolt the healer and ret hojs the kt?

[sharp meteor]

ideally ret hoj u bolt healer

but in a pinch

gotta cc ret

or u die

[thick reef]

ahhh

gotcha ok thats fair thanks

[sharp meteor]

like i play turb and we just

don't cc healer

[thick reef]

yea turbo u dont rly

need it right

[sharp meteor]

slam everything into one person all game

[thick reef]

yea

[sharp meteor]

rets also send parry/shield early into melee cleaves and just in general so bursting hard off the bat may not be the highest value

so can always just peel the first 20-30 seconds before actually going

[thick reef]

yeah

[sharp meteor]

because the lower you go the less teams win if you scuff their first go

so can put emphasis on that

first go always scariest

[thick reef]

so its ok to delay ur go sometimes

u saying

[sharp meteor]

so ideally you're trying to get your stuff out asap

but that's wwhat everybody does and is used to

like i was helping a friends warr get duelist and I'd just have him send avatar and warbreaker in the opener that'd force a lot of their cds

then he'd banner 20 seconds later and I'd wings

and 2-hit both of them

IDEALLY you get bolt healer hoj kill target then send all your stuff asap

max value over the course of the game

but yeah the other thing is that if they're burning all their stuff in the opener before you've setup your go then you can just wait

as long as you don't get greedy and hold too much stuff and end up dying lmao

[thick reef]

How long does 50 to 60 through fates take now?

[thick reef]

how dou play against Necro MM's burst? whats the ability/CD to watch out for

[wet scarab]

Is there a case for the exploiter leggo as necro?

[dark sparrow]

Watch out for when they press Double tap mostly, they use that every min for big dam

[warped warren]

no

[old trail]

Whats the 2.1k enchant called?

I cant find it

[warped warren]

unchained fury

[old trail]

Ty, found out I had to relog to see it

[thick reef]

is it easier to get duelist in 2s or 3s? currently 1980 in 2s, 1900 in 3s.

[wheat jay]

2s are usually easier to get duelist

[thick reef]

cool

[sharp meteor]

2s with rsham or rdruid

as any warr cov

is a cozy time

[thick reef]

👍 hopefully

[sharp meteor]

i will heem every single bm hunter player in the bracket

[ember rose]

[fickle burrow]

Is there any chance of winning against MM/MW in 2's as Rdruid/arms?

[sharp meteor]

Not a fun matchup, but can maybe win on mana

Monk in general kind of tricky to deal with

[wet scarab]

they really should ban double MM

I mean what is even the counter to that

[elder wigeon]

be a paladin

or mage

hpallies deal with MM hunters well with bop and bubble as well as bubble ult sac

[wet scarab]

so then what happens after boping the opener

man I know the unhinged thing is a meme, but it's so much fun playing it into melee dps for shits, deleted a mix of ret paladins, WWers and death knights with it today

[sharp meteor]

idk if it's meme

it has potential it's just

having more dam tied to bs is iffy

[wet scarab]

I agree but it puts so much pressure in the opener that it's almost guaranteed to put the other team pretty far behind even if you dont land a kill

I still only use it for melee teams on occasion, but it is super fun to have a 1-shot build

[idle oxide]

Yep. I've gotten up to 74k in one split second with unhinged. It's fun when that happens.

Single target

[hidden herald]

so returning to the warr business

mainly playing 2s so went kyrian

[soft plank]

How do you guarantee unhinged to hit players when there are always at least some pets?

[hidden herald]

what leggo do we run as kyrian?

spear right?

nvm it's literally in the pins

[hazy gate]

necro is stronger in 2s

[elder wigeon]

pray

[hidden herald]

is it? so many rdruids in 2s I feel kyrian is stronger against

[hazy gate]

idk i can delete every healer so fast with full duelist gear and double mortal strike bladestorm legy

[graceful quarry]

i also enjoy healers standing afk while im on top of them

[fickle forge]

I'm very curious, what's a split second to you?

[hidden herald]

one torghast and I'm ready to kill myself

was extra painful as warr too

[elder wigeon]

just farm layer 10's i just run through to the bosses every floor, takes 5 mins per run

you can get a 262 every 45 mins roughly

[hidden herald]

not with this gear x)

[idle oxide]

Like instant... Less than one global for them to react

[idle oxide]

Problem is how many can get out of spear. So vs comps that can, I used EB and used spear to bait defensives, then burst after with warbreaker. Worked very well. So basically, not always Elysium

[fickle forge]

My man that's like 50k dps

[drifting lark]

so im currently 1700 pushing 1800 due to late start in the season and im having trouble in 2s i dont know how to deal with hunters one shotting me and my teammate he is rival gear rdruid and it seems every game is a mm hunter what to do...

[fickle forge]

Disarm the dood and intervene+parry your Rdruid

You shouldn't be oneshot by an MM hunter ever

You have every tool to deal with it, so it just comes down to better optimisation of your CDs

[hidden herald]

fair enough

[hidden herald]

how often do you press slam typically?

[lucid walrus]

it's the "i have nothing else to press" button

no overpower? no mortal? don't need to press IP? slow applied? go ahead

[elfin surge]

[warped warren]

[idle oxide]

Aaah, those days us scrubs just macro'd it into every ability. And hamstring was off the gcd.

[glacial cloak]

Any tips on keybinds? I tried my first 5 duels and I have only played casual PvE for like 8 years

[idle oxide]

There are loads of videos on it on YouTube

[wheat jay]

whatever you're comfortable with 🙂

[sharp meteor]

rage dump if you already have ms on cd, will have rage when it's off cd, hamstring is up, ip is on cd or you're trading efficiently aka in cds/bursting

basically more often than not it's bait

[warm quiver]

Are the necro folks going ensuring blow or battle lord for Lego ? Pins say battle lord but everyone is telling me enduring blow.

[sharp meteor]

been playing enduring and it's nice

but have also seen a few running battlelord

[warm quiver]

Alright just wanted to make sure. Also I had heard you wanted to shoot for 20% haste for the extra global then go into crit ?

[sharp meteor]

i think that full haste or heavy haste with a bit of crit is the play no particular breakpoint

[warped warren]

haste in every slot, crit in the slots you cant get haste in

[sharp meteor]

yee

[idle oxide]

I'm playing Enduring with 20% haste. Rest Crit. gemmed the two speed gems, and rest Crit as. Loving it, it feels amazing

[mystic barn]

Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.

[idle oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-13134027

[sharp meteor]

whoa same

[wet scarab]

which slot are you guys using EB on? helm?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah. More stats and the ability to grab haste on a slot that only has mastery and crit conq pieces.

Belt is fine if helmet is super expensive though

[wet scarab]

thanks!

[thick reef]

How do you get the spoils of war buff

I dont see it

[sharp meteor]

bgs/arena

looks like a bloody coin i think

[wet scarab]

following on the haste discussion, do you guys use the haste or crit trinket for the second slot

I see badge a lot but wondering if I should switch to haste

[warped warren]

haste

[sharp meteor]

I like badge for kyrian because it lines up for spears and makes for bigger goes with my enh shams doom winds

but insignia for enduring necro

[wet scarab]

got it, thank you

[scenic fox]

yo guys! anyone using weaponswap macro's for shield skills? im having some problems installing it

[sharp meteor]

lol no just use ignore pain

shield stuff all seems horribly inefficient idk why they added it

[scenic fox]

ah i saw some guys using it

thx!

can u tell me the must have addons for pvp?

[sharp meteor]

gladius or sArena for frames, dr trackers

omnibar and weakauras for timers

bigdebuffs, nameplateauras, I think they were?

[scenic fox]

allright thanks!

[thick reef]

so the 40% extra honor only applied to honor earned while inside BG/Arena? not for the win-bonus? that isn't alot tbh. Most of the honor gained is from win bonus.

[sharp meteor]

win bonus is at the end of the match while in the bg, no?

i imagine it's included

also skirms are like 200 per win and take like 2 mins

[low gulch]

I know it isn't huge, but this is my first expansion really partaking in ranked pvp since WoD. Finally got duelist 😄

[thick reef]

gz

[low gulch]

[sharp meteor]

🥳 Good job. Right after the honor buff, too, so perfect time to farm duelist upgrades.

[radiant hamlet]

Can we shattering throw tranquility immune?

[sharp meteor]

I don't think so. Best kind of think of it like turtle that's tied to the channel.

In that it can be knocked, deflects everything but doesn't make you immune to dots

[radiant hamlet]

So only ww can stop it with ring

[sharp meteor]

Ye, along with thunderstorm, typhoon and explosive trap

[radiant hamlet]

Oh pog nice

[sharp meteor]

at least I think

not sure how grip/limb works with it

[radiant hamlet]

I see. Ty

[thick reef]

ya the buff was really a kick to my nuts lol. i farmed like 25k honor last week after getting rival 2, upgrading everything.

then see the buff right after 🥊

[sharp meteor]

oh well it'll help for further upgrades

[thick reef]

but i guess at least its there if i ever hit duelist

[sharp meteor]

and after you're done with upgrades there's elite weps

[thick reef]

is there anyway to arrange the order of the party frame? like move myself to the bottom or top.

or remove myself

[sharp meteor]

sortgroup addon i think

[thick reef]

ty!

[thick reef]

is pvp fun when you're losing?

[sharp meteor]

i enjoy becoming less bad

and there's usually more to learn from games you lost

[idle oxide]

Yeah if only this honor buff came 2 weeks ago when I got duelist. Farmed my ass off past two weeks to upgrade everything, even my Kyrian and fury gear. But now I'm done, ready for fun. Farming is horrible.

[warped warren]

if only this buff came 6 months ago, been farming so many chars

[scarlet barn]

Sounds like you problem

[warped warren]

[Only multi gladiators can read this message]

[scarlet barn]

[Only First try Mage tower chads can read this message]

[warped warren]

[only god gamers (ndogo level) can read this message]

yo wtf why cant i read my own message?

[clever magnet]

[only skilled players Can read this message]
Oops shouldn't post it on warrior discord

[scarlet barn]

🎣

[fickle forge]

🎣

[ember rose]

[warped warren]

@clever magnet [Randoms cant read this message]

lmaoooo

[torpid shell]

can we get sudden death procs during bladestorm?

[hidden herald]

we're putting crit/vers on elysian might legs right?

[torpid shell]

or there're no basics during that time

[warped warren]

you autoattack in bladestorm

[river walrus]

anybody excited for double legendary and 4 tier bonus fury warrior in arenas/rbgs? i really wanna try my best to push with kyrian fury warrior

[sharp meteor]

fury needs a little something else before it's worth picking over arms imo

[sharp meteor]

you continue to auto during bs provided you're in melee range and facing somebody

[quasi yew]

what lego should i be using

for pvp

[sharp meteor]

elysian might for kyrian, enduring for necro

[quasi yew]

ty

[thick reef]

hows warr doing arena these days

[raw summit]

good

[minor vector]

worst class needs a buff

:)

[raw summit]

ye what he said

we need more burst and heals and everything

[minor vector]

yeah he’s right

[sharp meteor]

arms is in shambles barely playable

[raw summit]

maybe give us the impending victory talent baseline

[sharp meteor]

no damage no utility least comp diversity

[raw summit]

doesnt even have a mortal strike effect

[minor vector]

fury is definitely the go-to pvp spec

That’s how it’s always been

(:

[quasi yew]

wish so

[sharp meteor]

not only did my partners leave me but my glad drakes all flew away

[quasi yew]

warrior need a dmg increase honestly

[minor vector]

the only rage generation i have is irl

[raw summit]

maybe increase warr HP by 50% in arenas

[minor vector]

need to enter arena and get r1 achieve to be viable

[raw summit]

imagine if they added an ability to reflect spells for warrior

would be so cool

maybe itervene could have a talent to cast that

[thick reef]

Is arms actually dog shite? my friend was having a whinge about them being so fkd

[quasi yew]

arms is good in pvp

they need to make rampage to at the 25% reduce healing effect instead of a 5% stackable

stack falls off almost every time

[torpid shell]

now it makes sense why I see necro warriors bladestorm till they get the proc

at 2.7 everyone i matched against does that

in 2s at least

[sharp meteor]

can be nice when u have nothing else to press

or just don't want to get cc'd on cds

bladestorm with ava/banner then getting a proc and whomping somebody is nice

[surreal moon]

bis legendary for arms kyrian

goes on feet or legs?

[sharp meteor]

Legs as higher stat budget and offer crit option

but Smexxin did also play haste feet and full haste to like 3.3k or something

so really whichever you like

[surreal moon]

thank you!

[sweet sluice]

does anyone else get absolutely rekt by warlocks in 2v2?

I feel as though I should surely win every game against them but I just never do well against them

[dark sparrow]

What proc we talking about here exactly?

[sharp meteor]

sudden death

or rather procs in general while

dodging stuff

[dark sparrow]

K thx

[sharp meteor]

Aff seems tricky if they're good about port/gate usage and trading stuff early

They also get a lot of practice relative to how much warriors get vs locks

kept queuing into this one guy who'd always trinket port my spears

and this was even with spearing at different times during the bolt, like he'd trinket the last 0.8 seconds to port it

[dark sparrow]

True, Demo also seems super tanky. Demo/rdruid is so annoying to play vs

[sweet sluice]

heh not considered that, I struggle against demo too though... destro is probably the one I find easiest but whenever I come up against a destro they are usually good

[sharp meteor]

yeah or they're playing something weird like destro/feral and they're both r1 aaaaaaahhhhh

[thick reef]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/ri1sc5/1st_time_duelist/

what, necro ret + necro arms can 2v2?

[wheat jay]

If you're good enough you can 2v2 with ANYTHING

[scarlet barn]

two prot warriors?

[thick reef]

they aren't glads. The guy says he was 1400 in S1.

[sharp meteor]

queued into enh/arms at like 2300ish

lot of stuff playable this season

actually i think double necro warr was like 2500-2600 in eu?

banner stacks owO

[wheat jay]

So?

They just got good

[wheat jay]

https://c.tenor.com/nZT5X9swNZ4AAAAM/jack-nicholson-yes.gif

[sharp meteor]

Can't queue double tank.

Not that I'd ever try anything that despicable. Nope.

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/katena-sarcasm-tbv-sarcasm-eyeglasses-gif-16424238

[sharp meteor]

I did at one point queue into double prot at like

2100-2200?

Back when the spec could dink your head in

[warm quiver]

what finesse conduits are folks using mostly? the rally cry one or safeguard

[ember rose]

Rally mostly and if u have another spot safeguard

[sharp meteor]

i always go safeguard for 3s

because i play with a ret or enh

who get ran at all game

so value

[elder wigeon]

always safeguard, almost never do I run rally conduit

I honestly think disturb the peace is better than inspiring presence

it allows you more opportunity to use howl offensively/defensively

[sharp meteor]

yeah piercing is actually really solid as it either gives you a bit of reach

or lets you use it as a sort of defensive

my little shaman will sometimes just run and it really helps

[thick reef]

when do u use piercing instead of hamstring

when u can't reach them with hamstring?

[sharp meteor]

so piercing is free, more potent, and aoe

lets say energy healer tryna push in for cc

can piercing him more easily than hamstring

there's also just piercing then immediately kiting because it's a debilitatingly strong slow

[wet scarab]

Ran into a lot of warrior ret in 2s between rival 2 and duelist

Ret off healing is disgusting

Also plenty of one shot potential against melee

[elder wigeon]

ask yourself when you would use sweeping strikes and apply that logic to howl

[thick reef]

ret/war 3s into double casters, is it a good idea to split ret/war?

[sharp meteor]

eh not really as they aren't cleaving you and

like maybe if the ret caan't get uptime on the more mobile target

but really in that case just hit the healer/spriest together

[elder wigeon]

if it's rdruid, you just have to swap off thorns/cen ward

otherwise just hit the same target

[sharp meteor]

yeee

[solemn yew]

how important is going 1h/shield and using shield block?

[elder wigeon]

never use that

you can't swap weapons anyways

[solemn yew]

got it, thanks

[bleak sage]

are skirmishes during this event the best honour farm?

[tough compass]

yep

[dry trail]

should i race change from belf to orc ? hmmm

[grand light]

Yes

[scarlet barn]

you can though

doesnt mean you should

But you def can

[elder wigeon]

I tried not sure why it didn't work, but never tried again, it's bad and not good

literally nobody does it

[thick reef]

ye

[warped warren]

yes

[scarlet barn]

frankly

@fickle forge sword and board meta next season?

[fickle forge]

Izi

[quasi zephyr]

What do you guys play as alts? Struggling to find something I enjoy besides warrior lol

[warped warren]

every class in the game

[quasi zephyr]

True

[grand light]

Ret or ww is fun to alt 🙂

[elder wigeon]

conflict of interest to play ww

[sharp meteor]

Assa is probably my favorite spec rn

Shadow is also super fun

Necro DH, too

[warped warren]

assa is chill

[pine canyon]

I just hit 60 - what is the best gearing path? Buy 200/235 gear off the AH and just grind conquest?

Also curious if there’s a decent weapon prior to getting the conquest one

[sharp meteor]

I just did a mixture of Korthia and epic bgs to get started, yeah.

Easier now that you get big conq upgrades at 1000, 1200

[pine canyon]

Thanks!

[elfin valve]

if you do make it above 1400 cr, you can buy loot boxes for 375 conquest which can be solid to gamble with in some cases for more pvp gear. i got the 2h on an alt which saved me like 1425 conq

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, a few loot crates is definitely the play at least initially

when any slot is an upgrade

and you have a moderate chance of bis

[sudden spindle]

I need to do the loot crates but i dont wanna grind rating with no vers lol i am 235ilvl arms so may beable to burst some crap

[sharp meteor]

235 is more than enough

[spice hornet]

anyone find it really ridiculous that grapple weapon works through Dbts

like why

[sharp meteor]

same reason bolt goes through evasion

different abilities work differently

still annoying having parry ripped off by monks, or when you intervene a disarm

[wheat jay]

Its ranged

You can't parry ranged attacks

[sage badge]

n00b question, is a challenger 2 weapon more valuable than a 252 m+ weapon in pvp?

[wicked magnet]

no

oh challenger 2 is 249 pvp ilvl? thats pretty close i think the 252 would still pull ahead

whats stats on the 252

[wheat jay]

Higher ilvl weapon

ALWAYS

[sage badge]

okay thats what i figured thanks

[elder wigeon]

rdruids confirmed god tier for next patch, ascending above S tier

[full quiver]

Wtf

Incarn on swiftmend lol why

[elfin valve]

rdrui are having balance issues in pvp, too easy to connect with, not enough healing output or defensives, cc is too easy to dispel.

they need something

[south birch]

And not many play them in raids, so what are Blizzard to do?

[elder wigeon]

what?

[flat coral]

Hey - is there a certain amount of haste I should be going for if playing a necro arms warrior? Seeing mixed messages in guides. Wondering if I should maybe get haste/vers on leggo helm

[sharp meteor]

I don't think there's any particular breakpoint

it's just like full haste or haste-heavy

well somewhere between full haste and a bit of a balance

[wheat tangle]

boys i did it

my first one ever

[sharp meteor]

gj lad

get them wins

[elder wigeon]

I play 15% haste 20% crit 9% mastery 36% vers

[wheat tangle]

😩

[limber pond]

should i hold avatar for banner? (necrolord)

[sharp meteor]

Stacking damage modifiers is nice and having avatar and/or bladestorm for your big go increases the likelihood of you sticking it

[warped warren]

huh?

[warped warren]

all the haste

[simple rock]

necro dh is retarded in 2s holy

never thought something could be more oppressive than survival/bm hunter

[dry trail]

do orc lads macro banner with blood fury ?

exact cooldown and duration

[lucid walrus]

sure

[frigid loom]

Dont see any reason not to and if they have disarm on cd then go for avatar aswell to blow them up 😈

[rough wharf]

Hey, At what pvp ilvl is the pvp weapon better than heroic jaithys?

[raw summit]

Once the ilvl is higher ig

[rough wharf]

Ah ok, so the proc on rank 5 isn’t anything to write home about?

[elfin valve]

idk I think you want stats for consistency mb?

[wicked magnet]

i dunno about that, if i had a mythic jaithys i would use it, its like 3-6k dmg +300 something strength for 3 seconds right?

[warped warren]

rival wep is better than 246 jaithys

259 jaithys is on par with duelist wep

better offense if lucky, but worse defense since loss of vers

[wicked magnet]

it procs a good bit, id definitely use the mythic one

[wicked magnet]

u know christmas is coming up....if u want to take me on ur mythic runs 😉

[barren crane]

Can priest get out of spear without greater fade talent?

[warped warren]

think fly gets holy priest out

[fickle forge]

It doesn't if they get vortexed or static field though

#DoubleStandards

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

DH can also rain from above out of spear

And meta

[warped warren]

playing spear

[sharp meteor]

Enjoying my Necro Warr a lot more

[wheat tangle]

can you not get teh cloudsong glaive any more ?

[sharp meteor]

Need to have done 8/8 wod cms on gold on any char

[soft plank]

does anyone get a good use of collateraldamage + merciless bonegrinder when playing 3s? or is that just meme not viable when pushing glad

[sharp meteor]

seems kind of super reliant on being able to stack collateral

nots ure if bonegrinder has potential vs cleavey matchups

but also means you'd have to bs for dam

idk

[fierce elm]

Its big meme

[sharp meteor]

like you could in theory uwu whirlwind 3 people for like 20-35k ea

but seems too iffy to pull off

[soft plank]

yea thats what i mean, seems like ah high risk high reward kind of thing, and i wonder if it gets sucesesfully used often

[fierce elm]

It never does

its big meme

[soft plank]

ok then good to know not to waste my time trying it out 😛

[spice hornet]

aaaa

is it just me or spriest literally eatrs us alive even through cds

eats*

without even having to cast

just die to an npc

[sharp meteor]

yeah necro shadow is an interesting spec

and can get away with not casting for a long while

you can kind of disrupt their initial setup by reflecting either damnation or unfurling, then getting a dispel on the goo ball disease which scuffs their skeletors damage, then bolting them after void eruption goes out

but yeah instant vt/swp/dp, unfurling into vt/swp on partner, voidboi out, goo ball out, spawning the mage, then cc onto healer and instant void eruption with vampiric embrace up then just pump like 10k dps without casting and healing your team for a similar amount

aff pumping even more

owO

[warped warren]

just reflect stun lmao

and still die through parry

[sharp meteor]

yeah i felt like i inted a game when i got almost solo'd by this spriest

then my partner linked me a clip of the same thing happening to smex so i didn't feel as bad

it's like ow where is my health going

[warped warren]

ye

i reflected horror

[sharp meteor]

i setup a priest and have a better idea of how they work now

[warped warren]

and still got down to 80%

[sharp meteor]

it's just so much dam

[warped warren]

from full hp

[spice hornet]

yeah its ridiic

[sharp meteor]

queuing with aff and if he stop looking at him for like 10 seconds he deathbolts somebody or just does like 7k dps

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

also queued into an mld the other day who just did the most damage

or a fire/arms where it's like flamecannon and necro

[spice hornet]

wizards are rising

[sharp meteor]

so aoe fireball

destro is like maybe the only one that isn't excellent

shadow balance fire frost aff demo all so good

[warped warren]

frost

and balance

[sharp meteor]

kyrian boomie with sp is nutty

wish my partner played at least one wizard

[warped warren]

wish i wanted to play smth else

[elder wigeon]

necrolord fire mage is actually kinda disgusting

they face tank you all game and play blink and just send an orbital nuke of 15K damage pyros

[warped warren]

na

necro fire is poopoo stinky

[sharp meteor]

i queued into two yesterday

kyrian warr with necro fire rly hard to deal with

cleaving fireballs also give pyrokenesis

so 1 minute bust

or like 40s bust lmao

[elder wigeon]

yeah they face tank cause necrolord and play blink

literally just pve

[wet scarab]

I’m not sure why these caster comps are doing so well now, there wasn’t really much in the way of balance changes. Otoh you don’t see many monks anymore

Worst is queuing into frost mages I think. They just stand there tanking you in ice form and kill you just spamming their most basic spell

And it’s not like you can reflect anything meaningful against them

[elder wigeon]

locks and mages have been getting massive buffs wdym

[wet scarab]

Like hotfixes? Haven’t been following closely

[sharp meteor]

mld and rdruid splay kinda oppressive hmm

[wet scarab]

Figured people just explored different synergies with covenants and landed on more effective tools

[sharp meteor]

also boomie/rsham/sp

[wet scarab]

I haven’t been seeing a ton of boomies, but a lot more demo locks and necro dh

I usually win against demo but one of the most frustrating classes to play

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah necro dh rly good

particularly with kyrian boomie

[wet scarab]

Thankfully don’t have to deal with that very often in 2s

But damn it takes forever to grind them down

Demo locks I feel like I’m stunned half the game. Very telegraphed progression to the fight but exhausting

But I find the problem with these caster comps is I switch for two seconds and they’re nuking the ever loving shit out of me

I can’t not pay attention to an afflock or spriest for a second

[elder wigeon]

casters will always do more damage to melee in arena with 100% uptime, especially locks

that's why it's important to deny uptime

[olive owl]

how much does having a full crit set for kyrian matter?

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't matter

you can be any stats, it's all a lie

smexxin is highest warrior in the world as full haste kyrian

[olive owl]

okay ty

[river walrus]

anybody knows any streamer or youtuber that plays fury warrior that i could follow? really trying to learn fury in pvp

[elder wigeon]

I'd really avoid fury unless you're willing to accept it's not r1 viable and will be significantly harder to climb

[sharp meteor]

not sure if there's anybody that plays fury primarily

like i think everybody experimented with it a bit after the tweaks but

[river walrus]

I am a begginer, i `m not tryingto push gladiator or high rating, just wanna have fun

[sharp meteor]

the most fun imo is to learn arms then go back and revisit fury

fury will be a less enjoyable and very unforgiving learning experience

hm there were a few guides but i can't find them

[stark reef]

Is rogue/warrior playable at all?

And if so, what cov as warrior?

[olive owl]

play fury in bgs if you wanna have fun

[stark reef]

Nah, I want glad, fun is overrated

[olive owl]

i was talking to fallen

but rouge warrior is def no ideal

warrior is kinda just so good rn that it prob could work

but if you want glad

id stay away from it

[stark reef]

Yeah, just finding healers...

[olive owl]

id do necro if you were doing it tho

and just try and train someone

[stark reef]

I could see it with unhinged, rogue ccs one, you just blast the other and rogue can finish the job if needed

[sharp meteor]

hmm outlaw might b fine

assa can also work just send bolt on healer kidney kt

[elder wigeon]

you play arms assassination, and you just raw dog healers, that's all you can do, alternate sharpen and shiv while you and rogue control off targets with kidney/blind/fear/stormbolt

it's not very good but it's cheesy

[sharp meteor]

oh that's an idea

sub is also like the ultimate smurf spec that works with anything

but that'd just be somebody playing below their actual mmr

[thick reef]

fuckkkk so happy.. First time.

[sharp meteor]

ayy very nice

enjoy the 50k honor grind l0l

[thick reef]

how so?

was that for rival to duelist?

i am going from 255-259, so not as much.

[sharp meteor]

oh right they split it up bless

[thick reef]

ya and the honor buff is def coming in handy now

[warm quiver]

In a week I’ve gone from 191 Ilvl to 242. Now that was a helluva grind.

Thankful for the honor buff for sure

Grats on the 2.1 too btw

[sharp meteor]

ye taking this chance to setup all the alts

[thick reef]

ty

[steep inlet]

is there some people on Ravencrest EU? if yes, how is the PvP activity in warmode

[fierce elm]

@fickle forge

[fickle forge]

Prepare to find a lot of hordes

[steep inlet]

need

why, ravencrest is linked with a big horde serv ?

[fickle forge]

It's linked with Kazzak and Draenor I believe

And those are pretty big horde servers

[steep inlet]

nice

[raw summit]

you have the scarlet scourge guild which invades stormwind every now and then

[steep inlet]

oh

i defend stormwind regularly with raid and my streams

could be fun

[fickle forge]

@steep inlet Oh yeah and one more thing

Scarlet Scourge is on Ravencrest horde

You know, Abomination

[steep inlet]

Yep i know them

[scarlet barn]

Kill them

Kill them all on sight

No mercy

[raw summit]

I used to have an abom, those people are really nice ngl

Also free bags in guild chest

[scarlet barn]

No

[fickle forge]

So nice that they hand out free honor and rating to everyone

[raw summit]

Their guild is like 50% of the horde rogues on ravencrest

[thick reef]

Wait how do i bandage in arena

[wheat jay]

with nothing on you

[sharp meteor]

dots break it so 99% of the time it's useless

[hard hazel]

so we get 2 legendaries in 2.0?

[river walrus]

yeah but it`s kinda dumb, the second legendary has to be the covenant legendary

some classes have very weak covenant leggos

[spice hornet]

im not ready for kyrian sub rogue wearing MA and Kyrian leggo

[wicked magnet]

wait till people see my kyrian resto* shaman with vesper lego + earth elemental earthquake lego, is it a healer? is it double dps? xD