pvp

[sharp meteor]

also wow undergeared alts are so annoying right now legit like 80% of 1800-2200 is retwar

[wary frigate]

lol i dont want to play ret/war but my friends are playing rdruid/arms rn and they are begging me to do it for free points..

what other dps specs do you guys enjoy playing with? i've been liking ele, MM, feral, and destro lately but idk if any of them have the potential to climb like ret does

[proven maple]

Feral climbs just as easy. If played anywhere near its skill cap.

[wary frigate]

can feral/arms work with a rdruid? iirc disc is best w/ it no?

[sharp meteor]

yeah rdruid is fine

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[warped warren]

yooooooo....

[ember rose]

Looks sick

Cant wait to use it

[sharp meteor]

i want all five but for some reason pvp seasons have to align with raids

so 3-4 season expansion bleh

[thick reef]

do you think renown 60-80 makes a big difference?

[sharp meteor]

conduit empowerments are nice

just do weekly 1k anima thing and world bosses and you'll be maxed out in a bit without rly grinding

epic bgs also have reasonable drop rate of renown on wins

[thick reef]

oh i know, i just wanna know if i can start pvping at 60, or have to get to 80 first

[sharp meteor]

LOL ya 60 is more than fine

[wary frigate]

what covenant should arms run w/ ele in thunder?

kyrian? since necro mastery is pretty much useless on ele

[sharp meteor]

yeah

lasso kill target, bolt off-target then spear both

takes a lot of pressure off ele

[simple rock]

sl s3 saved by glad mount colour

no cap

i'd even use spear defensively vs some melee cleaves

so your ele can play the game

[wary frigate]

does skyfury totem buff any of warrior's dam?

and between ele and mm, which would you take as dps w/ arms and why?

[sharp meteor]

i thought it was just spells

idk haven't seen enough mm to know how it'd work with warr

like thunder is just pve dmg

[wary frigate]

ele > destro for arms rn tho?

i'm really liking my destro and want it to be good lol

[sharp meteor]

yes

[simple rock]

ele can't ever take skyfury rn anyway in 3s

lasso/control of lava/grounding are pretty much mandatory

[wary frigate]

oh tru. i noticed that when i played it a bit.

yeah very few comps dont need grounding. practically none lol

[simple rock]

been learning ele lately, only time I don't take grounding is vs some melee cleaves

without rdruid mainly

[wary frigate]

i find even melee cleaves it is helpful tho. grounding hoj is amazing. also good for mindgames and cyclone

[simple rock]

yeah, I just have to take static sometimes to live though lol

[wary frigate]

i think melee cleave with mw monk is like the only time i havent taken it

[simple rock]

i'm fighting full geared ret/warrs with my 245 pvp ilvl char haha

ele would be so hype if there were 1-2 additional pvp talent slots

sham in general has so many good ones

[lucid walrus]

can only imagine if we got another heart of azeroth situation where we get a free pvp talent

was nice having sharpen automatically if you ran c&s

[wicked magnet]

you guys ever get random tells "hey may i ask if you are in a guild!!!" ?

and you say yes and then they say "is it active?"

[scarlet barn]

Happens

[wicked magnet]

its happens nearly every day to me now its like im participating in some kind of wow census

xD

[sharp meteor]

i just assume those are bots or addons and never reply

lik ewhy would i join some zerg guild

[wicked magnet]

they arent in a guild its like really low level characters

[elfin valve]

high miss rate with spear, even @clear halo - usually if I’m chasing someone. how to get them to stand still for spear?

[lucid walrus]

usually if someone's stunned they're not moving

@ player is awful too

[wary frigate]

lul

[wary harbor]

ever thought about stormbolt?

otherwise try bribing them.

[wary frigate]

if healer is near you can intimidating shout as well?

least you could do is make sure they have ham or piercing howl on them so at least they're moving slower

[elfin valve]

yea I have @cursor and @clear halo for it, just seems like if they are training my healer then I’m training them and they always are just out of range

[elfin valve]

fuck, forgot warrior had this

[wary frigate]

i've never liked @cursor

[elfin valve]

hmm, you reticle?

[wary frigate]

yep

[sharp meteor]

don't spear stuff that isn't stunned or at least pierced

@ plaayer sucks

just use the normal reticle

maybe atcursor

[wary frigate]

if u played a lot w/ cursor it would probably be good

[sharp meteor]

u don't need the speed

[wary frigate]

agreed

taking the extra half second to use reticle to make sure it lands is always worth

u can also abuse jump abusers. jumping telegraphs movement.

[elfin valve]

ok lemme go back to reticle then. and ham/howl. I think I’ve been saving storm for when they are in spear first

but maybe not the play

thanks boyes

And boyettes

[quasi lotus]

mentioning piercing/hamstring is kinda weird because whatever you're hitting should have one of those things on them 100% of the time anyway lol

it's not specific to landing spear

[wary frigate]

if you aren't going to sb an offtarget you probably should use it to land spear. you can also pop your cds after spear while they still in stun and then use either bladestorm or die by the sword to prevent disarm

[wary frigate]

i actually was thinking this. i feel like i always have the rage to keep my target perma ham/pierced

[elfin valve]

ah...yea i'm failing that then

this is what I get for being fury m+ all season and then just "magically trying arms pvp"

[sharp meteor]

i think stuns ideally and piercing at the very least

and don't chance it if there's mobility on the table like fel rush or shimmer

shimmer in particular because it's off global

[wary frigate]

is there a list somewhere of everything that breaks spear?

[sharp meteor]

no because everything breaks spear

and they won't fix the icd issue

[ember rose]

[sharp meteor]

so stuff like ww can just roll port out whenever they want

[wary frigate]

wait what

is it just inconsistent?

[sharp meteor]

spear pull has internal cd

trigger pull then port

[wary frigate]

ah

[sharp meteor]

works with any blink or port

[wary frigate]

good to know

but there are immunes that break it as well, like hunter feign lego

[sharp meteor]

there's also fleshcraft

like rogue cloak sfirst spear

[wary frigate]

so aside from blinks or ports, what abilties

[sharp meteor]

then flesh+shadowstep second

people figuring out more stuff so it's just annoying

[wary frigate]

so ultimate form has to be up when it tries to pull back

damn i didnt realize it was internal cd. that's why lock port has worked sometimes and others not, cuz the times it worked ip robably tried to run out first

[quasi lotus]

hamstring is literally your most important button

whatever you're hitting should be hamstrung

[sharp meteor]

it's like you can run out of the spear, get pulled then port

window is rather tight though

and yeah always hamstring up

[elfin valve]

dang, had a druid wild charge out of it and my first thought was "hmm, can you not spear a druid?"

like he still had the blue tether line just...ran off and had fun with my healer behind a pillar

[sharp meteor]

had a game vs rmp where i speared all three

and they all three got out of it

tilting

[thick reef]

can you get renown from rated arena, RBGs, random BGs past 60 renown?

[lucid walrus]

ya

[thick reef]

does anyone use plater? if u turn off enemy pets on plater, does it affect pve?

[thick reef]

ty

[rugged crag]

does anyone know if it's worth to usea 259 pvp weapon over a 259 jaithys in pvp i have both but not sure which one is actually better

[thick reef]

would like to know this too. If Jaithy is better, what rank is best for pvp.

[thick reef]

fuck, bought 3 crit pieces the past week and I am planning to go necro...

[sharp meteor]

Shattering Throw will no longer deal extra damage beyond the absorb shield when breaking large absorbs.

I'm in shambles

[somber comet]

[wheat tangle]

pog

now i have the chore of upgrading everything

[bright warren]

[carmine frigate]

Is anyone running the crit/vers 2 hander over the master/vers 2 hander? ( I have 17% crit currently 12% mastery) is it wortth swapping I just got it in the box
Should mention I am running Kleia

[steep inlet]

Shattering Throw will no longer deal extra damage beyond the absorb shield when breaking large absorbs.

[scarlet barn]

you forgot to post in ret´s pvp discord

[wheat tangle]

heheh i only play war and dk

got it on my dk war is hard stuck 2k bc im bad at the game XD

maybe when i try a 2.4k push ill play vanguards but i think ill stick with tsg

[idle oxide]

It's so worth it, I bought it...

[warped warren]

yeah...

[fickle forge]

They discovered us, at least we had fun with it for half a year

[mystic barn]

Stormforged soon

[warped warren]

imagine abusing stuff in this game

geez

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/623639177522577410/897580110629179482/unknown.png

[unkempt arch]

hey guys I hope this is not the wrong place to post this.
I'm a returning player trying to find a consistent mate to push 1.8 in the coming weeks and 2k this season with tsg. Please feel free to dm me :
my specs : uh/EU/alliance

[obsidian creek]

anyone know if i have the right stats as necro arms

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/littleting

[quasi lotus]

Judging by your M+ and raid progress you have better gear

equip your 252/259 pve weapon and 252+ pve gear in your main slots

eh, challenger 2 upgrades to 249 right? just the weapon then probably

[obsidian creek]

i can upgrade pvp gear to 252 now

am rival 1

just need honor

[quasi lotus]

you gucci then really, what wep you got for PvE?

Ilvl is king for weapon, secondarys don't matter

in terms of stats you're fine. You either full send crit or full send haste

[obsidian creek]

unfortunately only have 252 wep

just wasn’t sure if i had too much mastery or something

[quasi lotus]

nah mastery happens

[obsidian creek]

i have a 259 neck tho but necks dont give strength sadge

it has big haste crit

[quasi lotus]

missing a load of enchants as well right

[unkempt arch]

if you have spare conquest, you could replace your chest and legs with haste
mastery is last for necro especially since you get a huge boost from banner

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/arms-warrior-pvp-gear

also, afaik, crit scales generally better with haste than with mastery

[obsidian creek]

oh ye didnt notice ir

[obsidian creek]

okay good to know

p new to pvp

[quasi lotus]

Would say to play Enduring Blow + craft mirror as your leggos but unhinged is okay for Necro

[obsidian creek]

totally forgot to put enchants on my gear outside of pvp

i have enduring blow 262 but it’s wrong stats

also like not being able to get stunned during big unhinged bladestomr

thanks guys really appreciate it

[grand light]

Necro warr crit or haste

[grand scaffold]

personal preference

i like crit

also because in 9.2 i can use my crit lego with my kyrian crit lego

so i dont waste more gold and cinders

if you ONLY want to play necro go haste

its slightly better for an extra gcd during banner

[scarlet barn]

what crit leggo

[grand scaffold]

the elysian might one + enduring blow i was just saying if i crafted a lego with crit

[sharp meteor]

big spear crit leggo

[grand scaffold]

is enduring blow or exploiter better for venth

[mystic barn]

will you ever change

[scarlet barn]

Ndogo is here for over year, still didnt learn to read pins

[sharp meteor]

u mean the pins that say battlelord

[fickle forge]

Do they though?

These pins are also outdated af though in everyone's defense

[sharp meteor]

oh does anybody even know what's truly best for venth though

i feel like 95% of people dropped it in favor of necro and kyrian

[fickle forge]

Joe's playing Condoom

[sharp meteor]

i just tell people sephuz because most warrs are gonna do less dam trying to setup their burst

actually hm maybe i do craft battlelord on necro and see how it feels compared to enduring

[scarlet barn]

With exploiter you just keep pressure

[sharp meteor]

so ideally with exploiter you're setting up little burst windows on goes but if you aren't efficient with it you'll end up sitting on damage

[scarlet barn]

there isnt reason not to play exploiter if you decide to be venthyr

[sharp meteor]

i think most warriors would do more dam with enduring or sephuz

[scarlet barn]

I am very sure you would do less damage with sephuz than with exploiter

[sharp meteor]

idk about that

[scarlet barn]

ik about that

[sharp meteor]

do you though

[scarlet barn]

Yes

[frail solar]

Uhm I was wondering is there a way to do a pvp setup and a pve setup (skillbar) via ElvUi since I just started PvP it seems quite annoying to switch constantly spells around

[sharp meteor]

exploiter was more for burst windows than sustain

and what does elv use for bars because i thought bartender and dominos let you set profiles

[scarlet barn]

I said you keep pressure. That is whole thing with venthyr and death sentence. Just keep sticking

[sharp meteor]

exploiter was just the only dam leggo we had last season

[scarlet barn]

But you had sephuz too

and it wasnt better

most of the time

and so it isnt now

[sharp meteor]

it felt better if we weren't killing in setups

and is easier to use

[quasi lotus]

sephuz definitely is not better than exploiter

also exploiter is an increased in sustain as well as burst because you don't load up every ms

[sharp meteor]

i wanted to try to compare exploiter with both battlelord and enduring but there just doesn't feel to be much of a reason to play venth this season

[mystic barn]

exploiter was noob trap baiting them into big mortals thus not having mortal wounds on someone 24/7

[scarlet barn]

You are noob trap

[mystic barn]

do I use condemn for the damage or shield

[full quiver]

All the venthyr warriors I've played in 2s lately have been using mirror

I'd use exploited though, mirror some pussy shit

[fierce elm]

I would use my wow sub to swap to kyrian

[full quiver]

afro is a beta

[stark reef]

Raid with pvp UI

[raw summit]

Im doing that rn, it feels wrong

[thick reef]

Hello, anyone can explain why Mastery is bad ?

Since it provides passive % dmg increase"

[sharp meteor]

haste gooder

vers goodest

[tough compass]

Because Crit is the greater dmg amp in ago

Warri crits = people dead

[thick reef]

yeah but why ?
and crit is like 175% dmg so its nerfed for pvp

[sharp meteor]

like mastery itself isn't bad it's just that the alternatives in the case of gearing are better

[tough compass]

The DMG potential in a go is just higher with crit or even haste than with mastery. Everything outside of goes doesnt matter too much in this Season so Mastery loses alot value since it mostly boosts the consitent dmg

[thick reef]

ah, makes sense now

thx xD

more dmg/burst in a CS

[lucid walrus]

& that’s up from 150% in bfa

considering how many modifiers exist on top of that it’s absurd how hard some things hit

[nocturne radish]

excute with cooldowns is one of them

[warped warren]

?!

[tawny elm]

hey! thinking of starting up with some arena again. is it still kyrian that is the best covenant (going to play with a MW)?

[wary frigate]

highest ranked 2s warriors seem to be necro and kyrian

[scarlet barn]

Kyrian fine choice

MW not so much

[wary frigate]

is venthyr just meme at this point in both brackets? i really liked it when i was playing warrior last season but it seems to have lost a lot of favor

[tawny elm]

hehe

maybe my healer friend reconsiders after some matches ^^

[wary frigate]

i feel like if you're really serious about pushing mw might be an issue, but there are a handful of decently rated ones in 2s... it can work up to a point at least, right?

[scarlet barn]

Starting arena again, why start on hardest mode?

[tawny elm]

😦

would it be better if i went with my WW?

WW/MW

[thick reef]

feel the same way. venthry warrior is my favourite play-style but i am already bad, i don't want to make it any harder by picking a less advantageous covenant.

[raw summit]

kyrian and necro just slap so incredibly hard you sometimes just 100-0 em with like 2 buttons

[tawny elm]

good thing now is that i can "easily" evaluate them both \o/

[raw summit]

oh yes that is honestly really cool

although venthyr and kyrian both "require" a specific leggo

which is an investment i dont really wanna make this often

[tawny elm]

true

hmpf why does the honor gear have so low ilvl?

[raw summit]

well i got my pve EM 262 so im sure as hell not getting a second one

[raw summit]

because i guess you are supposed to buy conq boxes from other characters

[tawny elm]

i dont have any conq on any char 😄

[raw summit]

same mate

i had some left over and have pve gear so i got to 18% versa and 2 trinkets

but now im painfully refarming the conq to buy boxes to gear my main 🥲

[tawny elm]

managed to scrap together 17% versa

[raw summit]

what hp do you have?

[tawny elm]

50,2k

[raw summit]

ah so we're at the same point gearing wise

:D

[tawny elm]

hehe

can gem and change one ring enchant tho

[raw summit]

im 234 or smth rn idk

[wary frigate]

whats the bis venthyr lego? exploiter?

[raw summit]

i was thinking that execute mortal strike one yea

[thick reef]

War/Ret is our best 3v3 comp currently right?

is that also Ret's best comp?

[elder wigeon]

yes

[thick reef]

i got to 31 versa but with super low str and 49k hp

gearing is annoying

[radiant hamlet]

Lets say i want to keep swapping between necro and kyrian for pvp, what would be the stats that would work out for both?

Crit vers?

[tiny dagger]

haste vers would be safer

[thick reef]

Kyrian needs crit though

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't

smexxin doesn't play crit and is fine

your secondary stats are preference as warrior, they all work

[simple rock]

real chads play full haste

[elder wigeon]

real chads don't care

do big dam anyway

[sharp meteor]

i feel like people fret too much about secondaries

[wheat tangle]

Tsg in a nut shell

[simple rock]

also ret/warr

[sharp meteor]

lfg tsg and the dk keeps saying that he's gripping the mage and kicking poly but we're fighting jungle

[wheat jay]

Cast is cast

[thick reef]

i dont get it

[wheat tangle]

Dk and warrior retarded and heals does thier best to keep them alive while they zug healer

I play dk and war so I am turbo retarded

[wheat tangle]

Lmao tru

[wheat tangle]

What’s ur cr ?

I’m lookin for a partner for my first glad push

[rare sentinel]

as kyrian are you really supposed to use pelagos ? the mini game has to be annoying

[thick reef]

what mini game

?

[thick reef]

isn;t pelagos best into casters

[sharp meteor]

oh that was last season

have regular group now

uh pelagos has the mobility thing

they all seem to have potential

[rare sentinel]

I was using Mik because of the reduced cd of spear

[sharp meteor]

same but that scuffs my shamans doom winds goes

kleia seems nice for just sustained and pelagos has the minigame proc which if you can get before a spear adds a bit of damage to a go

[wheat tangle]

Me rn

[simple rock]

just make a WA when it procs and face it for 1s for the proc

it's not that annoying tbh

[sharp meteor]

have to face it and move towards it for it to register or w/e

[thick reef]

sounds freaking annoying

when i am already mentally busy in a match

[raw summit]

The peglagos mingame sucks

[warped warren]

just play arms/protpal/disc like a real gamer

[warped warren]

in my experiences, the healer is the retarded one

[ember gorge]

Hey, is there any solution againts afflis? Every match againts them seems impossible to win at 2k4+
We play tsg with rsham heal

[wheat tangle]

Kill em

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481823838296866817/915881904237060127/unknown.png

Do I push 2100 in 2s ?

Then start my glad grind in 3s ?

Or do I ball out and just start grinding 3s

[warped warren]

yes

[mystic barn]

rbg

@rovicus

@vital talon

[white raven]

is Mythic Jaithys better than a pvp weapon?

[ember rose]

Yes

[scarlet barn]

wait a sec

ok nvm

[raw summit]

Wait do i play EM for fury or deathmaker?

Im kinda unsure now that i saw some other fury warrior in orbios with deathmaker on

[scarlet barn]

EM

And why would you play fury 😄

[raw summit]

Because i can only really enjoy pvp when not try harding

Ive played Arms on another warrior and i did enjoy the pace

Or maybe im masochist might be any of those reasons

[quasi lotus]

Signet

Elysian is okay too as Kyrian

but Signet

Deathmaker is dogshit

[scarlet barn]

will of berseker

[raw summit]

Signet for more bladestorms ig

Fury bladestorm felt like x5 the amount of dam than the Arms one

Ty guys

[elder wigeon]

it does the same damage, just in less time

roughly speaking

[grand scaffold]

No

fury bladestorm does more dmg

in a shorter amount of time

if you get a signet bladestorm off of recklessness it lasts for a set amount of time, more haste means more ticks during that bladestorm works especially well with thrill seeker and frenzy

then that bladestorm chunks

[warped warren]

[grand scaffold]

what happened to rovicus

[warped warren]

he left us

[grand scaffold]

why

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/because-of-you-your-fault-guilty-ur-fault-all-your-fault-gif-14408678

[grand scaffold]

hah

[warped warren]

not false

[grand scaffold]

🤨

[elder wigeon]

Yeah i see, couple thousand, ~12K -> ~15K

[grand scaffold]

yeah

fury warrior buttons do 29% more dmg

than arms warrior buttons

if they are the same ability

[raw summit]

It's probably just that little difference but it feels so much better

[scarlet barn]

How can you even compare those two

Imma take a wild guess and say

you pulled that 29% out of nowhere

As usual

[grand scaffold]

i saw a passive on wowhead

no

[scarlet barn]

thats just wrong

👀

[grand scaffold]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=137050/fury-warrior

nah

look

its on the pve guide for fury warrior

sheesh

[scarlet barn]

That is aura modifier yes

And?

[grand scaffold]

wdym and

thats where i got the # from

and its 21%

my bad

[scarlet barn]

What do I mean and? That statement as whole is plain wrong

[grand scaffold]

ok

my mistake

move on

[scarlet barn]

Two specs dont even share majority of damage buttons

How do you compare them

[grand scaffold]

did i say they do

[scarlet barn]

Aura is modifier to tune specs

[grand scaffold]

its bladestorm vs fury bladestorm

[scarlet barn]

You said buttons

again

[grand scaffold]

if they are the same ability

IF

IF

they are the same button

[scarlet barn]

Literally only BS is exemple you could use

Smh

[grand scaffold]

ok

move on

[wheat jay]

slam

[scarlet barn]

and that is also diffrently tuned spells

[quasi lotus]

slam

hamstring

🙂

[grand scaffold]

yeah slam without arms ranks hits harder

^

what up bev

not heard from you in a while

hru

[scarlet barn]

arms slams

[quasi lotus]

yo, same old same old. haven't played since like start of s2 tho

[scarlet barn]

fury slam

[grand scaffold]

dang

[scarlet barn]

:)))
)

[quasi lotus]

you sir?

[scarlet barn]

Ndogo

Think twic ebefore writing

Please

[grand scaffold]

bruh did you not see the part where i said WITHOUT ARMS RANKS
R

no you

read the passives ding dong

[scarlet barn]

Read at all and use google

dog

[grand scaffold]

Im doing well, thanks for asking 😄

razonko slam rank 2 for arms is +60% dmg and rank 3 is another 50%

i dont know what your on

i said without slam ranks

[quasi lotus]

use hamstring then?

[grand scaffold]

^

[scarlet barn]

I literally showed you ighest rank for both

🙂

from Spellbook

[grand scaffold]

no

[scarlet barn]

kek

[grand scaffold]

Fury Warrior
Requires Warrior (Fury)

Modifies Damage/Healing Done +20%:
Dragon Roar

Modifies Damage/Healing Done +21%:
Bladestorm, Bladestorm

Modifies Damage/Healing Done +29%:
Ancient Aftershock, Ancient Rubble, Bloodthirst, Cleave, Colossus Smash, Condemn, Condemn, Condemn Off-Hand, Deep Wounds, Devastate, Gushing Wound, Hamstring, Heroic Throw, Impending Victory, Mortal Strike, Onslaught, Overpower, Reckless Flurry, Rend, Repulsive Pennant, Revenge, Shattering Throw, Shield Bash, Shield Slam, Shockwave, Siegebreaker, Skullsplitter, Slam, Spear of Bastion, Storm Bolt, Thunder Clap, Victory Rush, Warbreaker

Modifies Periodic Damage/Healing Done +29%:
Ancient Aftershock, Ancient Rubble, Bloodthirst, Cleave, Colossus Smash, Condemn, Condemn, Condemn Off-Hand, Deep Wounds, Devastate, Dragon Roar, Gushing Wound, Hamstring, Heroic Throw, Impending Victory, Mortal Strike, Onslaught, Overpower, Reckless Flurry, Rend, Repulsive Pennant, Revenge, Shattering Throw, Shield Bash, Shield Slam, Shockwave, Siegebreaker, Skullsplitter, Slam, Spear of Bastion, Storm Bolt, Thunder Clap, Victory Rush, Warbreaker

thats the passive

[scarlet barn]

Yes

Good copy paste

and i showed you aura modifier for arms too

[grand scaffold]

k

thats 9%

[scarlet barn]

it actually has higher % modifier for BS than fury from aura alone

[grand scaffold]

ok

fury has another 2h weap

thats more ap

another reason it hits harder

[wheat jay]

ok

but

who cares, fury is still dogshit

lmao

[grand scaffold]

fury isnt particularly good

but i did get 2.1k playing it

as necro

this season

in 2's

[wheat jay]

2s tho

monkaS

[scarlet barn]

But you were going off modifier alone

Then once more facts are piled up

You actually corrected yourself

Admirable

But still sad

[grand scaffold]

dont you have something better to ddo

do*

[scarlet barn]

I do lot of things at once

[tiny dagger]

there was so much effort put into this uselessness. arms bis so fuck what may or may not be base tuned higher since anything not arms is not bis

[scarlet barn]

🤦

[warped warren]

[mystic barn]

where’s arena of glory

[warped warren]

AHAHHAHA

[scarlet barn]

HAHAH

He is lost

poor guy

[warped warren]

@mystic barn check #transmog

[light snow]

Hi guys - starting as fresh warrior as i am sick of being nailed to death by warriors in arena...lol.. can someone advise best covenant to be right now? am arms ofcourse

[wary frigate]

kyrian/necro are the go-to

[light snow]

if im going to start off whats the best one to level up to 80?

im assuming kyrian?

im 13 with that at the mo

[wary frigate]

do u not have a char already at 80 so u can just boost them both to 40

[light snow]

i wasent aware i could do that lol

[wary frigate]

oof

[light snow]

im 78 on my hunter extrea 2 will be easy to get

[wary frigate]

vendor by FP in oribos sells BOA item for 500g that sets current renown to 40

[light snow]

ohhhh thank you!

[wary frigate]

def do that first 😄

[light snow]

haha for sure ^_^

but kyrian is safe to start with?

[wary frigate]

then you can probably pick which cov u want to do first. necro sounds more appealing to me personally (i am still venthyr from way back when it was a little more popular), but if you have a comp in mind you want to play when you're max you might want to consider which cov is better for that comp

[light snow]

just a general player

nothing specific in mind

just wanna pump and not be pumped

haha

[wary frigate]

i'd say pick which seems for more then but i'm no high rated war so others may have better opinions ha

[fierce elm]

If you are just starting Warrior and just in general, then go kyrian

[light snow]

okay 😄 thank you 🙂

quick way to get conduits for it once im 80 on hunt?

[grand scaffold]

just do world quests

kill world bosses

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY do the maw assaults and korthia boxes

they drop 1-2 conduits

very helpful to open those

[light snow]

ahh okay! thank youu!

[grand scaffold]

😄

[wary frigate]

getting highest ilvl as possible quickly is helpful as well, as your world quest conduits will scale up to 200+. you can get 200 ilvl quickly by buying crafted sets (if you can find someone to do it for you and you supply mats you can get a full 200 set for <10k on some servers).

[grand scaffold]

also open korthia chests

you get 200-226 conduit upgrades

do the rift farm to get tier 6 fast

[wary frigate]

these are great. but dont use them to upgrade until you have all the 200ilvl conduits ideally.

[grand scaffold]

or you can send over conquest boxes

from the same vendor as the renown vender

vendor*

375 conquest for a random conquest drop

on any toon

[light snow]

thats not bad..

[grand scaffold]

ikr

[light snow]

might have to farm some on my dh

[grand scaffold]

you can even get weapons

[wary frigate]

opened 12 boxes on my ret the other day and got 4 usable pieces. rng can be so mean

[grand scaffold]

it can be

but its a fast boost to ilvl

and stats can always be changed later

[wary frigate]

yep

just happened to get lots of duplicates, and multiple of slots i already had, and 2 in my lego slot. just unlucky lol

[grand scaffold]

i got horrible luck on my ret

just CRIT CRIT CRIT

not very many good stats

ptr is still down 😦

[gritty salmon]

Is the ptr offline

[grand scaffold]

yeah D-

[mystic barn]

d what

[light snow]

im assuming also if kyrian only thing you should be using for lego is that kyrian lego?

[grand scaffold]

well no

but usually

against hunter run enduring blow

because they can feign death spear

really against any class that can shut down spear

you run enduring blow

against a few comps you can run misshapen mirror but im not so sure against what

generally you play with the spear lego

[light snow]

okay thank you for that 🙂

[grand scaffold]

😄

craft with crit vers

for all legos

[full quiver]

idk i played a fury 2 nights at at 2250 in 2s

and he was pumping and almost outhealed my priest lol

[wary frigate]

what covenant was he running

[grand scaffold]

probably night fae or necro if i had to bet

[full quiver]

necro

didn't keep the SS or i'd send you his info

was playing with necro WW

sweaty nerds lol

[quasi zephyr]

Hey guys off hand which classes can escape kyrian spear?

[sharp meteor]

queued into that one guy who only plays fury at like 2500 and it's a lot of damage

[grand scaffold]

lock, dk , priest, hunter, pally

[sharp meteor]

uh lock gate, dk walk, hunter feign, priest fade, rogue cloak, monk roll+port, pre-freedom from paladins, paladins, mages if they time it right

really just bolt into spear and hope for the best

[quasi zephyr]

Damn more than I thought

Seems like necro is definitely better in 3s then

[grand scaffold]

ooh

wild charge somtimes

yo bev

[quasi lotus]

Easily escape spear: Lock, DK, Priest, Hunter, Pally, Rogue

[grand scaffold]

i got 2200 and beat prev the same game as i got it

😄

[quasi lotus]

difficult escape spear: every class with a movement ability

lol

and pog pog

[grand scaffold]

😄

[sharp meteor]

actually so tilting just having a mage shimmer out of it

[grand scaffold]

prev was on his shaman when i got 2200 just now

yeah the mage shimmer thing is annoying af

[quasi lotus]

what char did you get the 2200 on this season

[grand scaffold]

balboa-sargeras

my main

[quasi lotus]

ah yeah

same one then

[grand scaffold]

was playing spear

[quasi lotus]

thought you were necro fury

or just to 2100?

[grand scaffold]

just to 2100

for 2200 i went spear arms

[quasi lotus]

ahhhh

[grand scaffold]

was playing condemn around 2140

felt like trash

was playing necro just now

but i like spear more

[mystic barn]

where is arena of glory

[grand scaffold]

in skyhold

you get to from dalaran

where the flight master is

[scarlet barn]

i linked you screenshot

You special

[full quiver]

dogo didn't you get 2100 with a rank 1 rsham lol

[grand scaffold]

what

what r1

[full quiver]

prevs sham

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Drenden/Prevà

[grand scaffold]

no

i beat prev

on his sham

rn

never played with him tho 😦

[full quiver]

oooh

[grand scaffold]

like legit 20 min ago

on my last game to 2200

would be cool to play with prev tho

put up a fight and a half

btw

is unhinged better on ring or hands and with haste or crit

seems like a fun lego

[full quiver]

lol yeah i bet 2400 would be easy with him in 2s

[grand scaffold]

yeah ikr

[full quiver]

i got my buddy his first 2.2k other night but haven't got it yet on my war

we stoped at 2350mmr

[grand scaffold]

this was my first 2.2k

[full quiver]

did you get it with lfg?

[grand scaffold]

nah, just with a friend

pushed 2.1 with him last season

[full quiver]

ooh nice

[grand scaffold]

😄

[full quiver]

yeah this is my first season on war second season ever

[grand scaffold]

you started this xpac?

[full quiver]

yeah

was playing classic

[wheat tangle]

dk discourd mad gay they delete my lifing pics

[wheat jay]

well

they're forbidden here as well

since the nuke

[wheat tangle]

Succ balls

[ember rose]

based

[wheat jay]

pog

[wary frigate]

was that 2200 fury?

[mystic barn]

calves

[wheat tangle]

Ye

[scarlet barn]

If yes then he has very good friend

🙂

[full quiver]

nah he said it's arms

[fickle forge]

It's been 6 minutes and these selfies still haven't been removed

[sharp meteor]

fury is fine for elite/glad, it's just that arms is better

[scarlet barn]

Skyhold> acherus

[fickle forge]

Slacker'kyrs?!?!

[scarlet barn]

Yea you can get glad on anythiing if you got good people to boost you on

[sharp meteor]

nah fury is fine it's just glad not r1

[fickle forge]

Fury is fine

Not worst melee in the game no

👀

[fierce elm]

I mean

[scarlet barn]

👀

[fierce elm]

I mean

[scarlet barn]

👀

[fierce elm]

Melee only mage might be worse

[scarlet barn]

What do you meaaaaaaan

[fickle forge]

Even that is probably better because they'll actually live past the 2nd stun

[scarlet barn]

[near inlet]

Which covenant is best, which is funny? (Fury 2s)

[sharp meteor]

have seen venth kyrian and necro with necro burst being the most threatening

[scarlet barn]

Just dont play venthyr basically

And all else is fine

Kyrian/necro being most reliable while NF is mostly for those one shot memes

[sharp meteor]

venth is fine

[scarlet barn]

As fury?

Not really

It is quite a definition of meme

[sharp meteor]

🤨

[scarlet barn]

I tested all 4 , you dont reallly bring much as venth fury

You already have good uptime

And you just pve down players

At least as kyrian you have lockdown/necro is tankier

[quasi lotus]

haven't played the game in like 4 months but i'ma throw the curveball of

Necro > NF > Ven > Kyrian

[rose kettle]

Hi

[sharp meteor]

haven't actually tried nf it seemed underwhelming

i wnated to try with like rdruid tsg but friend wont setup his dk

[scarlet barn]

[quasi lotus]

I mean Necro is by far bis

or it was when I played pre flesh nerf

[scarlet barn]

That is fine

But the rest

[quasi lotus]

Spear + EM as fury felt mediocre. NF at least memes damage

[scarlet barn]

😔

You are bigbad

[thick reef]

is necro banner on the GCD?

[scarlet barn]

Iirc yes

[sharp meteor]

conq banner is on the global yeah

[thick reef]

how much is fleshcraft?

i have a 25k fleshcraft at 52k hp

[scarlet barn]

About right

[thick reef]

isn;t it 30%?

[scarlet barn]

?

Im not sure about exact number

But it is less in pvp than baseline in pve

How much it is, i would need to look it up/log to game

@thick reef

in pvp

about this much with 58k hp

so yea it will be around 30% in pvp, normal 40% in non pvp situation

[full quiver]

i just FC after gate now lol

[wary frigate]

imagining this on ret, war, ww during their burst...

[pale minnow]

Brooo that shit + human trinket

[sharp meteor]

can't play medallion with it

[mortal galleon]

that trinket?

cant wait to eat straight convokes

[thick reef]

Does anyone NOT lag in epic bgs? I have 5600x/rtx 3600 and still lag in big fights. its not my hardware right?

[sharp meteor]

5600x and 1060 3gb and always have 60+ fps with ultra in epic bgs

only place i rly lag is korthia on tuesday but that's a server thing

[wicked magnet]

addons

i dunno which ones, i suspect any that scan the combat log or something

but with my addons i will lag badly in a huge battle

[thick reef]

how? same CPU as me, i have way better GPU. also I play 1440p/60hz. Preset at 5 only. how do u not lag in epic bgs with ultra?

[sharp meteor]

1080p

:))

[thick reef]

and i know its not the hardware. like i watched my resources monitor while i lag. CPU/RAM/GPU are all chilling, moderately used.

its not that.

[sharp meteor]

idk i also have like

100 addons

[thick reef]

are u telling me u have 60+ fps in Ashran with 40+ players on each side fighting?

[sharp meteor]

yeah ill recheck next epic bg

[thick reef]

i think i need to disable details in epic bg?

[sharp meteor]

possibly? I tweaked my combat log to not track a bunch of stuff a while back

[thick reef]

should i just play kyrian now? seeing as its the only choice for 9.2. Might as well learn to play it now?

really sucks cuz i want to play necro @@

[sharp meteor]

necro should be fine

[thick reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY_Gyy8EDQY&ab_channel=Mudcx

[sharp meteor]

yeah some specs will be more affected than others

necro leggo isn't ideal at least in arena

[elder raven]

Hi, just resubbed is unhinged not good for pvp anymore?

[sharp meteor]

Doesn't seem too uncommon for Necro

[lucid walrus]

started playing it in 2s for fun on my necro. i enjoy it

big dopamine boost when you catch a disarm with your storm & start chopping while you're connected to boot

[sharp meteor]

It seemed like it'd be good for smurf game instagibs as Necro and potentially into matchups in 3s where you don't have the uptime to make enduring worthwhile, or maybe into enemy melee cleaves

[lucid walrus]

cleave vs cleave it seems pretty remarkable. same logic as the original kyrian unhinged playstyle in early s1

speaking of, can't wait for that to make a resurgence

[sharp meteor]

big spear unhinged hit me with it

em + enduring/unhinged

it's like christmas

[grand scaffold]

if you dont play with a class that benefits from mastery go night fae, its very strong, and play with siegebreaker, hits harder than the hunt's initial dmg

[grand scaffold]

nah 2200 playing arms spear

What piece do you craft unhinged on?

[lucid walrus]

doesn't rly matter

can do hands for haste, bracers for free socket or whatever the new slot is too

[grand scaffold]

ok

is it better to go for haste or crit with this lego, im planning on using it with spear lego in 9.2

[elder raven]

What % haste should I have before I prio crit

[wheat tangle]

what cov binks ?

[warped warren]

i have on average like 12fps in ashran

[thick reef]

what rig

[elder wigeon]

night fae

[elder wigeon]

any %, you can be 0% haste and it's fine

[grand scaffold]

Go crit then whatever pieces cant have crit go haste

can even go mastery but i find haste is better

[idle oxide]

So, what do you guys gem for? 13speed one, plus 5% speed and rest Versa? or crit heavy?

[scarlet barn]

Versa

[elder wigeon]

i gem for the two speed ones and rest vers

[blazing carbon]

https://youtu.be/Jzw3QhYN_7E

[elder wigeon]

logs on rogue to press 2 buttons

[blazing carbon]

The dude is playing with the world best shaman

At 2k1

(Shaman who keeps matching him on the damages)

[elder wigeon]

sterge is good at shaman but not the best

that being said, yes, he's playing with a world class player, while also being a pro player, it's just youtube clickbait

[raw summit]

His fire mage Video also is like this with his ehh mage getting helped out massively by a 259 rogue

Thankfully his Videos are entertaining so i dont mind :)

[steep inlet]

@fickle forge @scarlet barn haha ggs

it was my hunt alt

Trma

[scarlet barn]

ass

[steep inlet]

was u Razones no ?

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge @scarlet barn you got Frappe Mortelled

[steep inlet]

kill shotted

[wheat jay]

how is it in french?

[scarlet barn]

😄

[fickle forge]

Lmao, you like our comp dude? XD

[scarlet barn]

almost got your pala

😄

[scarlet barn]

was nasty ngl

[steep inlet]

haha you are crazy guys

what is this comp

my pala is my brother

we did glad together on our mains

[fickle forge]

We dubbed it angry cat cleave

[scarlet barn]

ACC for short

[full quiver]

yeah we queued into them at 2.2k

and absterge fucking destroyed me lol

was like a 3 min game and he did 200k dam as rsham

[warped warren]

!!!!

[wary frigate]

is it meme to have a sword/shield set to swap to when getting trained by melee as arms, or is the dmg reduction negligible

[warped warren]

dont, not worth it

[full quiver]

i usually have shield on for opener

[thick reef]

UNBAN ME COWARDS

https://youtu.be/Yj5ec0pS1XI

[mystic barn]

hi calibri

[full quiver]

hahahaha

[worthy fern]

@blazing carbon let’s not pretend war isn’t broken though. Any time I play anything else they kick my face in

Oh wtf am I doin here

[blazing carbon]

Tbh I don’t have struggle against wars on my dk

[worthy fern]

That’s funny because I stomp dks on my war

Especially in 2s

[blazing carbon]

I must be lucky xD

[worthy fern]

But I play feral rogue and some other stuff as alts

And war fucks

[mystic barn]

lmao class that struggles with physical dmg doesnt struggle vs top tier physical dmg class

[sharp meteor]

dk in shambles now that everybody is necro

can't use chains to kite banner

whereas kyrian was just advance out of spear then chains in general to kite dam

[frank knoll]

Yeah DK is in a tough spot

Even in PvE, they have a tank spec that’s kiting and mitigation essentially doesn’t work against certain affixes

And UH/frost aren’t looked at highly in PvE although some dudes pump with them

[thick reef]

how many classes/spec can get out of spear?

DK with advance, Hunter with feign, who else?

[scarlet barn]

@thick reef#pvp message

[thick reef]

god damn

what does this do exactly

[sharp meteor]

tldr is 120 mastery for 2m wheneever u use fleshcraft

also u get buff from dead stuff

although not sure how useful that is in arena

like if u get essence from a dead hunter pet or demon

[thick reef]

kk not bad

[sharp meteor]

120 mastery, 20% stre from conduit, 6% dam from kevin, 400 maastery from conq banner

[full quiver]

DK is so OP right now it's disgusting

[sharp meteor]

big dam swings

[full quiver]

i hope they nerf dks next patch

so all 3 specs are unplayable

@mystic barn

[sharp meteor]

dks next in line to get buffs after dh imo

defensively anyways

unh cranks

[mystic barn]

are they

[full quiver]

No

[scenic fox]

hi guys! should i upgrade my prison blade to rank 5? for arms warrior pvp

[frank knoll]

I’ve seen mages cheese it before but idk how

[wheat tangle]

i play dk 2150 cr rn is anyone interested in a chill glad push ? looking for palyers with higher xp to help me learn and improve

[full quiver]

fuck DK

[wheat jay]

[wheat tangle]

XD

[wheat tangle]

understandable have a nice day

[mystic barn]

fuck dk

[wheat tangle]

understandable have a nice day

[wheat jay]

What's your main btw, sir?

[fickle crater]

it better be warrior

[scarlet barn]

I mean

even Artji is filthy hunter main

[wheat jay]

I'm survi tho

Tiny bit less filthy than bm

Bm players dont brush their teeth

[sharp meteor]

I'd much rather queue into a bm than a surv

[full quiver]

survival is way more chad

[wheat jay]

[full quiver]

unless you play with an rdruid in 2s

[mystic barn]

please do not speak unless spoken to

[wheat jay]

[wheat jay]

Did that too

Fun stuff

[quasi yew]

What stats do I want for pvp fury other than vers

[raw summit]

Haste is what the wowhead guide says

[thick reef]

how is dk OP if i can ask

[elder wigeon]

dk isn't very op right now but TSG is extremely annoying and just kills healers without any skill, pretty cheesy with strangulate right now

[thick reef]

does bannner/mastery beneift DK?

[elder wigeon]

absolutely

benefits them like it benefits ret

[thick reef]

if you play with dk you want banner 100%

[elder wigeon]

I do personally think spear is better for tsg, at least when playing against it

[thick reef]

both uh and frost benefit massively

[elder wigeon]

having spear for chill streak and the damage after the cc chain ends is insane

[scarlet barn]

@thick reef 🙂

[fickle forge]

👀

[scarlet barn]

👀

DKs are so easy to fool

Might be that rotting brain

[thick reef]

atleast we got brains

compared to ya'll meatheads

[elder wigeon]

frost dk is definitely A-/b+ tier on their own, but TSG is a very solid A tier comp right now

[fickle forge]

Why ya'll stirring stuff between class discords

[elder wigeon]

man I'm sad they're adding those new trinkets in 9.2

so bad for the game

[wheat jay]

True, Lion doesnt compare himself with rats

[elder wigeon]

9.2 is looking like it'll be the most imbalanced patch there's ever been

[wheat jay]

Also, dk players dont even lift

[fickle forge]

You actual ape I swear

[wheat jay]

Yes

[sharp meteor]

wym kyrian warrior s+ tier for the third season in a row

that's perfectly balanced

[elder wigeon]

there's a couple things to do to instantly knock it down to A+ tier

[sharp meteor]

i swear to god they just need to add a pvp modifier to die by the sword CDR conduit and nerf IP a bit

[elder wigeon]

you can just make ignore pain heal less, nerfing it by 30%, nerfing d-stance by making you do 30% less damage, nerf banner mastery by 50% in pvp, and nerf banner conduit by 50% in pvp

[sharp meteor]

maybe duel/disarm cd

[elder wigeon]

if they remove the dbts conduit warrior is instantly A tier in spite of everything else

[sharp meteor]

like i said pvp modifier

[elder wigeon]

you simply just will die to cooldowns

[sharp meteor]

make it reduce cd by half in pvp

or 40%, or 60% or w/e

just add pvp modifier

[elder wigeon]

yeah i guess, but then it's a really weird cd timer

like it being 1:45 sec doesn't make it line up with anything important lol

[thick reef]

game just needs to be balanced

[elder wigeon]

I was playing some mw thunder last night with some friends, against MLD, and holy fuck it felt extremely miserable, warrior didn't exactly feel S tier into it

[wheat jay]

People just need to play better

[thick reef]

its a massively broad statement but its literally just the solution

[fickle forge]

Imbalance rate drops to 0%

[scarlet barn]

yea, just like

stop being poor

[elder wigeon]

was an 8 minute game of me hiding behind pillar most of it to just keep using insane burst to blow through mage heals and druid heals to force blocks until there was none left and just win off that

[wheat jay]

LMAO

Just burst these motherfuckers down

[elder wigeon]

any time I left pillar, tons of major CD's were used defensively just to get back to pillar

[wheat jay]

Triune nerf went through now

They are paper

[elder wigeon]

they were always paper, hitting these fuckers for 40k's and still living

[wheat jay]

I mean

They are literally paper now

Shields are barely an issue now

[thick reef]

imagine struggling against mages

[wheat jay]

As I said, triune nerf went through this week

[elder wigeon]

it's fine though, because you just die in 2 seconds from a kidney go from RMP because rogue damage is off the charts now

[wheat jay]

Well

Everything can be stopped

[elder wigeon]

doesn't even need to be blades or combust or maledict, just dance kidney

I'm not saying I'm dying that fast, my shamans are though

shamans get farmed by rmp

[wheat jay]

Mmmmm

Healers, or?

[sharp meteor]

ah yes warrior into wizard triangles

just end me

[elder wigeon]

rshamans, ele shamans

[wheat jay]

Ele just knock them away

[elder wigeon]

poggers

i wonder if they have a button that just teleports them

kek

[wheat jay]

Still a gcd they got

Same as with every other class kinda

[elder wigeon]

step is off the gcd no?

pretty sure it's off the gcd because I get step disarmed a lot

[wheat jay]

Mmm not sure

[fickle forge]

@wheat jay Mage is def paper if you got 2 heavy phys dmg dealers

[wheat jay]

:)

[sharp meteor]

had a game vs one of the two people who plays arcane and i whiffed my spear then he altered at full health along with temp and we still killed through it

[wheat jay]

Hunters are paper too if you hit them with 41k in 1 second xD

[sharp meteor]

hunters can get pancaked if they aren't careful

[wheat jay]

[sharp meteor]

like we're wailing on this disc and the hunter is like hey im a hunter i need to trap

and tries to disengage through us

my shaman like 2-hit him while he was midair

actually happened a few times where hunter just made a weird feed play

[full quiver]

Got eeem

[mystic barn]

spear helping chill streak is the biggest lie i've read this whole expansion

[sharp meteor]

tiny chill streak with its 1 yard bounce range

[elder wigeon]

it helps, to say otherwise isn't true

[sharp meteor]

yeah 2-3 people in your spear is always a good time

[thick reef]

why can't kyrian ability just be a phial. I hate summoning/desummoning the stupid owl

[sharp meteor]

because rp

[thick reef]

remember 8.3 chill streak? good times

[sharp meteor]

and the owl is cute

[scarlet barn]

owl provides lot of other things

[sharp meteor]

yeah like preventing your teammates from healing you if you call him as the gates are opening

cool little fellow with his talent swaps and stuff though

[thick reef]

fuck the owl

get rid of it, or make it a cool robot like Bron

[scarlet barn]

I like having both

👀