40% is a big heal
#pvp
sharp meteor
elder wigeon
but the fury warrior plays with a MW
sharp meteor
was it grimgrip
elder wigeon
think so
sharp meteor
epic shirtless fury man
elder wigeon
MW disarms me and the fury warrior just runs triple sustain pvp talents
sharp meteor
yeah
elder wigeon
plus venthyr sustain
sharp meteor
yeah that's why fury needs to not be good lel
it's like havoc except even more linear
elder wigeon
it's brainless pve lol super annoying
old trail
Does either spec use jaithys over a verse weapon in pvp?
elder wigeon
arms does for sure
wet scarab
just switched to horde and wtf how are so many ppl in lfg
sharp meteor
slight imbalance leads to greater imbalance and then it just kind of snowballs out of control
wet scarab
seriously I spend on alliance like 30 mins to get a decent partner and 50% of the time they quit after 1 game
thick reef
thinking sinful with enduring blow will be awsome
elder wigeon
yeah that's a pretty sick combo too
old trail
Lets go boys
sharp meteor
Very nice. 🥳 You can get a matching blue weapon at 2100
sharp meteor
Just spent the evening mulching up people in random bgs for the duelist sword
now to just do it another 6-7 times for the other weps, haha.
elder wigeon
congrats
exotic bolt
thanks c:
im really undergeared compared to other people in these arenas now
still using challenger 1 gear
dont have enough honor :c
elder wigeon
yeah it's hard
shy aurora
Lets go boys
What set is that?
elder wigeon
elite season 2 plate armor
tepid arch
What lego should we use in ret/war/x as necro? Magnusz quick guide says battlelord, but I also see a lot of players run unhinged and enduring blow. Which one do you guys recommend the most?
fierce elm
enduring
tepid arch
thanks! May I ask why u think enduring is better? Just curious so I understand it better
fierce elm
because having 40% uptime of Collossus smash when you are the main reason for any off-cooldown damage in ret/warr is really big
compared to BL which I have always found lacking
Enduring absolutely melts any melee cleave
dry trail
can u reach duelist as venthyr in 2s or u suggest a covenant swap ?
dry trail
🙂
fierce elm
Venthyr is perfectly fine
formal creek
after renown 50 is torghast still good for renown farm? my first layer 9 didnt reward renown
dry trail
my venthyr stats should i play haste passive stat trinket for some haste to feel smoother ?
frigid loom
Haste does help it feel smoother, but having maledict for the times when stuck in root etc is imo more beneficial. Personally i do prefer a bit more haste tho, but its a preference thing more than anything else, which you need to consider when getting the gear
formal creek
its the honor to upgrade that kills me
lilac igloo
Hey, wanted to try pvp as kyr warrior with a holy priest doing 2s mostly for now 2 days and I find myself having a hard time against any hunter/druid comp, any general tips against them ? Hunter just feign death every spear and I have a hard time chasing a druid 😄
mystic barn
You can reach duelist without a covenant
stormforged soon keep up the good work
exotic bolt
going against duelist geared people with my challenger 1 and 2 gear sucks :/
elder wigeon
amen to that
elder wigeon
Hey, wanted to try pvp as kyr warrior with a holy priest doing 2s mostly for now...
swap on thorns/cen ward, you should have your holy priest probably play chastise stun to stun the hunter for you and use your storm bolt for the druid (or vice versa), unless the hunter feigns nothing, use your spear for the druid, if you can't hit the druid or the hunter, hit his pet(s) on the way to the druid or hunter. (the real pet is the one with 120 focus/pathfinder buff)
lilac igloo
Ty ! Tbh the only we won was when I killed druid with high damp, those hunters are so slippery it's annoying and couldn't kill them with a stun, will try that in the future appreciate it !
elder wigeon
you don't really kill either of them with just a stun, sometimes it may be worth to bolt, then DR stun with chastise after to secure a kill, very situational, hard to beat
but with the druid especially, either spear first then stun, or stun then spear when stun is ending
exotic bolt
amen to that
Getting hit so hard by everything and hitting for less than other warriors 👍
elder wigeon
how it is for every class that's undergeared, sucks hard, my 3rd warrior feels the same
idle oxide
Ty ! Tbh the only we won was when I killed druid with high damp, those hunters a...
I found that quick and hard swops on a druid can win a game so fast. I'll sit on hunter, and just sit on him and sit on him, let the druid get the idea that he will never be the kill target. Track the hots on healer and his positioning etc, then on your like 2nd or third setup - when you can go BIG, you hard swop to an unsuspecting Rdruid... Watch him melt and 💩 his pants...
pale minnow
Enduring absolutely melts any melee cleave
Melts any melle cleave yet it's caster meta now so better play mirror when you found 1/5 melle cleave u can play your eb
fierce elm
Ret/Warr, Jungle, WPS, RMP
pale minnow
This ain't 9.1 start my man ret/war is rare to be seen
fierce elm
????
pale minnow
Turbo is dead, tsg is dead only low boys play it on low mmr
fierce elm
Im not gonna discuss this because this is a dumbo conversation, its clearly not caster meta
lilac igloo
I found that quick and hard swops on a druid can win a game so fast. I'll sit o...
yea catching a druid no hots on human form during a stun can be insane preasure, but good hunters really are a problem for me now, never played warrior it's only an alt anyway so need some practise, only did 64 arenas so far 😄
pale minnow
Im not gonna discuss this because this is a dumbo conversation, its clearly not ...
Are u even playing the game?
fierce elm
Im not discussing this with you
pale minnow
Yeah thought so.. keep living in your own bubble my dude
fierce elm
Stop
I have not insulted you
you can have your own opinion
But ask any r1 and you can get a clear picture of what ladder is
wheat jay
what is this bullshit here?
ret/warr, jungle, rmp are top of the top
still
and will be till the end of season
xD
pale minnow
But ask any r1 and you can get a clear picture of what ladder is
The thing is i play with 3k r1 mwmonk and ret on glad tier and all i see is , balance+ elem, everygame a priest there isn't a game without a priest anymore, warlocks walk simulator, jungle i'm happy to see any melle cleave or any other melle even rmp i'm happy to see, and u say melle cleave is popular cuz of ladder.... like bro, noone here plays on top ladders
wheat jay
who cares about low ladder tho
if we talk about top tier, of course we're gonna look at top of the ladder
lmao
pale minnow
This ain't complainning, this is my own experience and i'm not the only one seeing this, if the monk sees this on 2.8 cr then talks are over
fierce elm
Now, just because I take offense because you cant just chillout that I dont want to discuss this
I wrote down the US top 100 ladder
pale minnow
Us xd
fierce elm
Because fuck this and because you are flat out wrong
pale minnow
Write the Eu
fierce elm
In total on the US server there are 18 warriors in top 100
10 ret
In total the slots taken up by melee specs are 48
in top 100
idle oxide
fierce elm
there are 28 ranged specs in top 100 on the US ladder rn
Which is slightly skewed because most mages are playing RMP and there is 1 mage playing WMP as well
wheat jay
45 melee in top 100 eu
fierce elm
So yes, saying that its "caster meta" is wrong on every count
You cannot base your own ladder experience into whats meta
because people face different shit all the time
And Warrior/Ret/WW has an insane amount of representation on the ladder right now
The only caster that can really be "insane" in terms of rep on ladder is spriest and mage
But 95% of mages are running RMP
and spriest is a mixed bag of comps
graceful quarry
The thing is i play with 3k r1 mwmonk and ret on glad tier and all i see is , ba...
how much are you paying them
fierce elm
Also mb, there is actually 29 ranged specs in top 100 on US right now, I forgot to count the single warlock there
pale minnow
Hope you realise that to compare top players to the meta is literally irrelevant, and im gonna explain you logically why, on top ladders people get there already on the start of a season, and from then they just trading the points not even competing anymore against eachother this is a well known fact, the meta changed with the nerfs and buffs in 9.1.5 . 2.4-2-7 is the current meta not top ladder 3k where they trade, that's why I'm telling you statistics are outdated because there are afking classes standing since start of the season and now with watching other streamers and seeing by my own experience as well i can tell cleave meta is dying not as many as in start of the season
fierce elm
Definitely bro, nerfs to Ret/Warr in 9.1.5 destroyed it
or WW nerfs
Dont tell me I am in a bubble when you keep moving the goalposts
I dont want to discuss this with you because I dont think you have a clue what you are talking about. Honestly, thats just it.
pale minnow
Nah, i explained you properly not pointing out outdated irrelevant ladder players like you did, and if in this context you don't understand my logic it's not my problem
wary harbor
I want the speculation
spicy. i like that.
grand scaffold
battlelord vs enduring blow
nocturne radish
both r good its a pref most ppl play enduring tho
grand scaffold
kk
nocturne radish
I know I am
true
graceful quarry
Hope you realise that to compare top players to the meta is literally irrelevant...
ah yes, everyone at high rank wintrades and is statistically irrelevant
thats how all the ret/warr teams got there
lets also just ignore the part where the 2 most played casters barely beat warriors representation at 2400+ when combined
warped warren
battlelord vs enduring blow
do you know if enduring is good as fury????
graceful quarry
pale minnow
thats how all the ret/warr teams got there
okay, so let's see top 20 if you still insist to this, imma watch EU ladder because it's higher with 100 points then US.
maybe I shall buy glasses because i can't see a single warrior on top 20 EU
wet scarab
this is a bit unconventional but I've tried going the double charge talent against druid hunter comps instead of stormbolt and it was... actually pretty good
graceful quarry
why did u cut out at 13 when u look at top 20
grand scaffold
because he saw a warrior probably
wheat jay
ok check 100
pale minnow
wheat jay
why do you ignore na man? 😄
pale minnow
US is left behind with 100 points as I mentioned already, so wich makes EU stronger in pvp 😄
grand scaffold
no
graceful quarry
thats not
grand scaffold
not really
graceful quarry
how that works
grand scaffold
^
grand scaffold
there are 14 rank 1 warriors on us
pale minnow
you realise the odds were lower on other classes then now right? and that warrior was 14% months ago wich makes this list outdated as I said, 50% or even more of the player base left, their char afk on these numbers
graceful quarry
and where do you get that statistic from
wheat jay
out of his ass i presume
wary harbor
good thing top doesnt matter i guess
WIEDERHERSTELLUNG SCHAMANE
graceful quarry
yes
wary harbor
good old german
pale minnow
look arround my man, time to pull out your head from the ground, start of the season is the most played time of the game, we are at end season this statistics are irrelevant only by experiening you'll know the true answer or watching streamers what they face at higher ratings
wicked magnet
whats the conduit ilvl upgrades from the vendor? is it 1800 for 239 ilvl?
wary harbor
you do realize that your anecdotal experience is not representative of the overall ladder?
wicked magnet
or does it follow the new pvp gear ilvl changes
wary harbor
or does it follow the new pvp gear ilvl changes
should be at 239 since there are no ranks for conduits
pale minnow
you do realize that your anecdotal experience is not representative of the overa...
i do realise aye, yet i do realise that other players are getting the same experience as I do for a reason
mystic barn
let it be known in my whole queue session last night i did not fight one ranged class
wheat jay
i do realise aye, yet i do realise that other players are getting the same exper...
i dunno, i feel like most of my games at 2.5kmmr were against double melee
pale minnow
i dunno, i feel like most of my games at 2.5kmmr were against double melee
when?
wheat jay
now lmao
scarlet sorrel
kekw
scarlet barn
even ndogo is back
wary harbor
now we go by daytime or nighttime
fickle forge
This convo was gold 👌
pale minnow
now lmao
idk what's the deal in US not watching US streamers but here in EU, you get a hand full of jungle, shadow cleave and balance with ele, frost mages and locks
fierce elm
Artji is literally EU
graceful quarry
2200+
scarlet barn
at this point
graceful quarry
need to find 2400
wheat jay
idk what's the deal in US not watching US streamers but here in EU, you get a ha...
well you see my man
I am as european as an european can be
pale minnow
good for you my man, I wish i would face melle too as often as you
graceful quarry
if you wanna see for yourself
fierce elm
ez pz solution
fierce elm
this is the funniest part of that chart
pale minnow
funny isn't it you see warrior on top under it 5 caster/healer and then comes again ret
graceful quarry
if you count
fierce elm
bercause warrior can literally play with any other spec and make it a S-tier comp
pale minnow
healers as casters
read it again
pale minnow
bercause warrior can literally play with any other spec and make it a S-tier com...
yeah warrior can play with everything, noone denied that
fickle forge
Damn, almost like every comp needs a healer
Can we fix this already Blizz?
nocturne radish
Damn, almost like every comp needs a healer
Can we fix this already Blizz?
Yeah wheres the triple warrior comp
we actully qued into double warrior/healer yesterday as ret/warr/disc was funny i saved my ret with a rally legit rallyed him at 1% and he went up to like 15% then got topped was funny
pale minnow
this is the funniest part of that chart
you wonder why class representation is together like that? idk maybe because it's a class representation what you are showing mister smarto.... holy pala+prot+ret and then comes encha+ele+rshamman yet priests are the most wich is in everysingle game
warped warren
you just dint get it afro man
aoex is 3000 in both rating AND IQ
itl be millenia before you are on his level
both mechanically AND intellectually
fickle forge
Nobody tell the man that disc rules jungle, holy rules RMP and SP rules SP+warr
nocturne radish
SP + warr is scary
lucid walrus
priest has 3 good specs rn. shocking it’s so represented
pale minnow
Nobody tell the man that disc rules jungle, holy rules RMP and SP rules SP+warr
Sp can be played with everything now just like warrior
nocturne radish
yeah for sure they seem tanky and can live quite a bit
scarlet barn
kek
pale minnow
i linked spec representation before
We saw it dw, you got your attention
scarlet barn
APEX trying to be apex predator 
pale minnow
so why do you talk about this
Idk, maybe if you would read above you would understand
lucid walrus
out of any of those dps classes it’s literally only mage & sp that’s more rep’d than most melee
wet scarab
I feel like I just read a long ass discussion that happened because someone doesn't know how to read graphs
fickle forge
Sp can be played with everything now just like warrior
Mostly come down to warr+SP, god comp or RLS
twilit ridge
pale minnow
The thing is why i say what I'm saying is that u barely see any other melles then warr,ret,rogue,feral no more dk,encha,survi,dh, Monks have fallen drastically down since the nerfs. sp rises, locks, elem, balance what I'm saying is that more ranged classes are playable right now then melles and we slowly getting back to caster meta, the classes like encha was death sentenced together with intervene nerf survi hunter is worse then bm and worse then mm as well now, priests everywhere the only reason why we see so many warriors on the stats is cuz of s tier of course + the versatility of the covenants.
twilit ridge
graceful quarry
The thing is why i say what I'm saying is that u barely see any other melles then warr,ret,rogue,feral no more dk,encha,survi,dh, Monks have fallen drastically down since the nerfs. sp rises, locks, elem, balance what I'm saying is that more ranged classes are playable right now then melles and we slowly getting back to caster meta, the classes like encha was death sentenced together with intervene nerf survi hunter is worse then bm and worse then mm as well now, priests everywhere the only reason why we see so many warriors on the stats is cuz of s tier of course + the versatility of the covenants.
fierce elm
Monk representation has actually remained the same
Because the nerfs to monk meant nothing
graceful quarry
ye bc they nerfed its dmg
but now it properly crits
with the 50% extra crit from keefers
fierce elm
Shadow representation has actually gone down slightly
pale minnow
In 30 games i haven't seen a single monk 2400 cr btw
fierce elm
Again, get reflex
graceful quarry
do you have reflex?
fierce elm
and it will give us a clear picture
But again, you cannot use your personal experience to conclude the entire ladder
We literally have representation charts
graceful quarry
yes
fierce elm
Weapon > big pieces > small pieces > trinket
twilit ridge
theres a crit weap too now so make sure to consider that depending on your setup
exotic bolt
crit weapon
exotic bolt
More vers more Zug
exotic bolt
Ik
twilit ridge
its crit/vers
wheat jay
In 30 games i haven't seen a single monk 2400 cr btw
in like 50 games i saw 20+ monks xD
pale minnow
in like 50 games i saw 20+ monks xD
And in the 30 u haven't like me xD
wheat jay
well
fierce elm
Again, it doesnt matter for either of you lmao
wheat jay
go play 20 more then lmao
graceful quarry
i mean
pale minnow
Rng
fierce elm
Therefore, we have a chart that clearly lays out representation on ladder
twilit ridge
^
fierce elm
Mage is misrepresented as a "ranged" due to being tied to RMP so heavily. Spriest is literally just the warrior of ranged. So we can look at Elemental as the most represented outside of those, wiuth a SICK 2.4% representation, along with boomkin with a sick 2.5%
warped warren
Mage is misrepresented as a "ranged" due to being tied to RMP so heavily. Spries...
ye but both got atleast 20 times the cring factor
checkmate
pale minnow
I believe before 9.1.5 alot of people made warrior alts like myself and BEV to be able to play other covs because of the multiple possibilitys that a warrior can choose from, unlike other classes wich are more bound to one covennant, max 2
graceful quarry
warped warren
not having 6 necro warrs, what are you, cringe?
fierce elm
9.1.5 released on november 2nd
so far there has been 0 change in representation from before 9.1.5
except that MW is becoming a thing
this is the best chart tho
pale minnow
Why would it be? The warriors are still at their rating
fickle forge
This is definitely some apex argumentation that's going on in this conversation
pale minnow
This is definitely some apex argumentation that's going on in this conversation
Do u have some joe fernandes memes?
fickle forge
Many
pale minnow
Been watching his streams his malding from lfg healers
Sadly noone is recording his golden rages
thick reef
LMAO
pale minnow
Xd poor joe, legends say he still chasing the frost mage
wet scarab
man I played a frost mage hpal comp one game, it lasted like 10 minutes and I barely got any hits in
thick reef
Xd poor joe, legends say he still chasing the frost mage
yea was so close to hitting him but now hes so far
mystic barn
I believe before 9.1.5 alot of people made warrior alts like myself and BEV to be able to play other covs because of the multiple possibilitys that a warrior can choose from, unlike other classes wich are more bound to one covennant, max 2
wet scarab
question: is impending victory worth it ever
sharp meteor
I feel like in general bolt is too valuable
wet scarab
yeah that's what I was thinking, but it feels like there might be some situational use in this meta, particularly against casters
sharp meteor
i mean if it's one of those things where bolt doesn't help you secure anything, or stop anythjing, and it's just doing pve to each others faces for 10 minutes i could see a case for it
but generally you can get more than that from a bolt to either secure your damage or stop their cc which indirectly saves your health/cds
quaint hornet
I’m gearing up my arms warr for strictly 2s with a healer, murlok has top 50 wars almost perfectly split between necro and kyrian, could I be pointed in the right direction between those two
wet scarab
I gotta say I'm not liking Kyrian burst potential at the moment
worthy fern
@quaint hornet kyrian has no limiting factor in 2s while Necro will eventually flat out lose to hunter druid
Unless you get lucky
wicked magnet
i finally found a horde to spam games for conquest, worlds coolest grandma im not even joking
she crochets in between matches xD
quaint hornet
Do people go necro for the survivability? And kyrian for dmg?
wet scarab
I'm actually mostly using spear for peels these days, people have so many counters for it
sharp meteor
it's not really that simple lol
idk i like necro more but feel like kyrian is better with turbo
quaint hornet
I’m strictly in it for 2s with healer if that helps
sharp meteor
they felt about the same to me but i only got to like 2.2 or 2.3 because i dislike 2s
fierce elm
Kyrian is infinitely better with turbo
You can pretty much guarantee that they eat full doomwinds
sharp meteor
yeah tried a few games as necro and it didn't feel awful but sample size, didn't queue into many mages etc
yep
sharp meteor
spriest was the one thing i was playing enduring into every time as they 100% faded spear every time without fail
then it's just bolt doomwinds
sharp meteor
maybe that stops working vs the good ones but have had a good time into shadow so far
wet scarab
Are hpriests bad at the moment or am I playing poorly? I seem to do fine with pretty much every healer except for them. I struggle having to peel so often and they struggle to keep me alive
One yelled at me for using EB instead of Kyrian leggo because it helps keep him alive
fierce elm
hpriest are good
wet scarab
Hmm I wonder what I was doing wrong then
This is 1900s 2s though so not high level by any means
warped warren
bad hpr
nocturne radish
Kyrian is infinitely better with turbo
yea spear lines up with doomwinds soooo good
sharp meteor
hpriest and disc can work although i prefer to play with any other healer actually
wet scarab
I like playing with disc a lot
with hpriests it feels like there isn't enough pressure
carmine flicker
as necro EB on helm with haste + vers?
sharp meteor
i wanna brain myself with an ice pick playing with a disc priest
sharp meteor
as necro EB on helm with haste + vers?
Yeah.
carmine flicker
ty
wet scarab
I always get a feeling of impostor syndrome whenever I play another warrior
it's like "i see your tricks"
wet scarab
prot pally WW unholy dk comp is aids
warped warren
lucid walrus
I always get a feeling of impostor syndrome whenever I play another warrior
amogu(s)
wet scarab
Looking at some of the covenant leggos for other classes, I think warlocks esp demonology and affliction will be bonkers next patch
elder wigeon
most classes are gonna be nuts
wet scarab
Yeah but with demo locks you’re looking at 60k crit demon bolts with the necro and regular legendary
Druids and rogues will be disgusting but the one shot potential is pretty crazy with this one
lucid walrus
guessing a lot of them will see pvp tuning real quick. then again maybe not. god knows this last patch did nothing
wet scarab
We will get PvP tuning if they accidentally nerf hunters or mages in pve
lucid walrus
EM to 6 seconds is very foreseeable imo
elder wigeon
I'd be fine with that I guess but they have some big problems ahead with hunters running pouch + craven
sharp meteor
can't u stack on teammate and have the bleed break trap
they already can't barbed due to stomp right
wet scarab
Yeah I don’t know how you kill hunters with that double leggo
elder wigeon
it's not that they can't be killed it's that you just die from damage
wet scarab
I mean rdruid BM will be vastly worse
sharp meteor
like 2 people getting hit by a kill shot bleed every few seconds
is going to murder
wet scarab
Ah yes
elder wigeon
so there's some classes that are big winners
warriors are obviously a big winner with EM + unhinged
or EM + mirror or EM + sephuz
wet scarab
Yeah but the problem is it restricts warriors to one covenant
elder wigeon
welcome to other classes
wet scarab
Maybe two as venthyr will have SS and EB
elder wigeon
yeah that'll be an interesting combo
rets will likely go necrolord
duty bound + final verdict
wet scarab
They seem to be having fun with night fae as well in bgs
wet scarab
Gross
elder wigeon
but with 9.2 arms is literally just a blendtec blender with kyrian
wet scarab
Yeah get necro out of your system bois
It’ll be nice actually to see condemn bros make a comeback just because of how much other classes hate them
Man EM and unhinged will be a lot of fun in close quarters bgs
Vitamix warriors
sharp meteor
I'm sure there will be a lot of whinging about how certain covenants are big losers because of their leggo so might see some buffs to meme stuff
idk if glory is played in pve but i don't imagine it is
civic cloak
It's not played in PvE right now
wet scarab
I think it’s alright in rbgs
elfin valve
Vitamix warriors
underrated tweet
rough mountain
what is the proper cursor macro for spear?
sharp meteor
/cast [@cursor] spear of bastion?
Just be careful because if your camera is in a weird spot you can easily throw it into a chandelier or ceiling
plain island
anyone tryna run some 3v3 arena?
lucid walrus
@ least 2
elder wigeon
272 iirc when 259
elder wigeon
Yo how much str does 246 badge give
246 str
urban jolt
Tyty
elder wigeon
277 when 259
elfin valve
/cast [@cursor] spear of bastion?
ya also fwiw I like to have @cursor for shift, @clear halo for regular
somber comet
idle oxide
I see on pin Magnus has Exploiter on for Venthyr, but I'm reading that EB might actually be stronger. 2's specifically - any of you have experience on preference between the two?
open glacier
I prefer EM and kirian in 2s. If u can link both u burn lots of mana, also u can survive better vs double dps with the mekanikos stun thing, autopotion and potion dispell
8 seconds in the spear is a lot
dry trail
do you guys pick duel sometimes and if yes where ?
elder wigeon
i like duel vs rets and shadow priests, against locks too sometimes
however, if you're a kill target, duel is useless
desert tide
whats the stat priority for arms in pvp other than vers
as a necro warrior to be more specific*
warped warren
haste
elder wigeon
Whatever you want honestly
Some are haste > mastery > crit some are haste = crit > mastery and some are crit > mastery > haste
desert tide
hmm ok tyty
vestal ibex
Is Venthyr likely to be stacking crit as a primary aim in 9.2 with the dual leggo system? Or is Vers/Haste still the way to go for Venthyr?
idle oxide
Is Venthyr likely to be stacking crit as a primary aim in 9.2 with the dual legg...
im 14% Crit, 15%Haste. I just prefer to get 15% haste and then stack from Crit after.
grand scaffold
what dual lego system
warped warren
the one where you get to use 2 legendaries
scarlet barn
Ndogo it is literally in wowhead news
grand scaffold
battle lord + enduring blow gonna be op
idle oxide
because thats the best cov lego
yup. It forces us back into Kyrian
near inlet
Which cov is better for fury pvp?
wicked bison
what is the oneshot meme
grand scaffold
yea
night fae gonna be unplayable for warrior
even for fury
ele sham prob gonna go nf because of how garbo necro lego is
dk gonna be crazy
grand scaffold
the dk necro lego is pretty good
warped warren
wicked bison
nf or vent for fury pvp
i know arms is better
scarlet barn
Kinda same as arms
@wicked bison
grand scaffold
dont play venth
its trash
ideally play necro
for fury necro is awesome
it lines up with angermanagement recklessness
after 9.2 you gonna have to go kyrian tho
only thing thats confusing is to stack crit or haste
wicked bison
is venth just a trap
mystic barn
the dk necro lego is pretty good
What no its not lmfao
Dk is gonna be even more 📉 when they release 9.2
wicked bison
why tho
also those buffs really did dk good i take it
so fury necro is banner+reckless for your goes
what leggo then, signet
mystic barn
i trust you fully bud
scarlet barn
🙃
wheat jay
Which one of you plays dk?
Cuz i trust the one that doesn't, dk players are always giga biased
sharp meteor
dk on the shelf until class sets are back because i don't roleplaying as a wet paper bag
necro leggo + sindy stun or w/e unholy generally plays might b fun
wicked bison
so whats the right setup for banner, never used it , also fury what cd do i pair with it
vestal ibex
I hope Venthyr comes back as a more competitive option in 9.2 with the dual leggo system - I like being a braindead condemn ape.
wicked bison
whats venth leggo
wicked bison
im lazy
shy aurora
Oh necro Fury is good?
ember rose
elfin valve
near inlet
I tried fury warrior. Last season played DH. My opinions at arena
DH pros;
Mobility( easy.to escape and catch)
Leech ( fury need to hit 2 times to activate battle trance, defans skill 8 second mean 2-3 bloodthirsr hit. If cced no hit :) )
Much more stun
Much more talent options against enemies
See invisible enemies
With 1 skill you can aoe damage, dot and high damage(fury need ww and single Target skill)
Much more funy
Fury pros
Better animations
Giga 2h swords
For you?
vestal ibex
Fury is basically a slightly more durable but overall slightly less potent version of DH
It's a known thing
Also, not quite sure why anyone would pick Fury over Arms when it's undeniably so much better in every aspect
I do enjoy Fury, and I recognise it's simpler to play so maybe that's an attraction in itself
But Arms just out-performs it by such a margin
somber comet
Fury warrior is only good if you play Necro with the LEAPER legendary.
Think sheep
Banner gives you strength = more damage
400 mastery? DAMAGE?
vestal ibex
I'd still rather be a DH than a Fury Warrior in that and any other scenario
vestal ibex
Even with leaper, DH has more mobility
somber comet
(This is a meme I run that has happened for over a year now.)
Sadly you can’t scroll back up because Mwahi had the channel nuked
But it’s just a meme
vestal ibex
Ahh gotcha
vestal ibex
Sad but true
somber comet
You can still get high rating as fury
wanton nacelle
who wanna play with me
vestal ibex
If Arms and Fury were equal in performance for both damage/utility/survivability etc
I'd happily play Fury
It's a fun spec, no doubt - and simplicity can be attractive
fierce elm
They are literlaly both 3 button specs
vestal ibex
Which 3 buttons are you pressing?
fierce elm
But fury has those buttons as well lmao
Arms is quite literally as simple as fury is in pvp
you dont have to rage manage
at all
vestal ibex
Arms is slightly more complicated imo in pvp
fierce elm
But it just isnt
vestal ibex
Due to the variation of PvP talents you have to consider, as well as the base spec itself
fierce elm
There are like, 5 pvp talents you consider as arms
vestal ibex
Ah well, agree to disagree 🙂
fierce elm
And its quite literally a flowchart
They have a warrior/dk/enhance/mm/rogue? Disarm
Sharpen is locked
vestal ibex
I get it, you're sure of your opinion - that's cool
fierce elm
Do you need Death sentence for gap closing? yes/no
mystic barn
I got ur back noyzey
Arms is hard
It takes a great mind to utilize the full kit to its highest degree
quasi lotus
All specs in this game are piss easy
akshully rogue mains have to count to 5 and then press kidney when Jhin mains only have to count to 4 so therefore rogue is very complex
somber comet
Guys plz this is about PvP discussion
No need to insult people
But yeah most specs in this game are easy.
And arms will always trump fury.
shy aurora
holy fuck im blasting is necro warr
sterile bane
elder wigeon
to have full conquest gear? not too long, but to be 259 ilvl in pvp? a long time
wicked bison
what specs benefit the most from banner
simple rock
elder wigeon
any class that mastery is a major stat, ret, frost dk, WW
dawn hill
warped warren
who wanna play with me
negative
warped warren
akshully rogue mains have to count to 5 and then press kidney when Jhin mains on...
true, can confirm. sometimes i kidney into blur or evasion just to assert dominance
wet scarab
I miss when all ferals were necro and they couldn't kill you
elder wigeon
what game were you playing where necro ferals couldn't kill warriors
wet scarab
I don't know I guess I'm more comfortable with the steadier damage than the 1 shot windows
wet scarab
well I'm bad so it's never as straightforward as that
a lot of times it is if I'm the kill target
but not always easy to get to the healer if he's the target
and in LFG you can't count on them saving the trinket for convoke goes
eventually you get out of sync as the game wears on especially with dual druid teams
lucid walrus
necro feral has you bleeding from your ass the entire game
sharp meteor
necro feral is like bm where u just take 5k dps to the face for the whole game and it's not fun
lucid walrus
much prefer convookers but i think a lot of that has to do w the fact i mostly run 2s w/ friends. far easier to counter
sharp meteor
yeah you just cycle trinkets
lucid walrus
“oh no it’s ur trinket lmao”
wet scarab
heh
buoyant shale
can you rootbeam resto druids? or can they shift it?
novel basalt
anyone have tips for getting from duelist to elite? I feel like im stuck lately
elder wigeon
ask
sharp meteor
uh that's kind of broad
at the end of the day climbing is usually just consistently doing everything slightly more efficiently
lucid walrus
anyone have tips for getting from duelist to elite? I feel like im stuck lately
more vague please
proven maple
I feel stuck the same. Been walling out around 2250
frail light
As arms pvp i do less damage than my fury pvp…
shadow marsh
dry trail
you think necro is better than venthyr with colosus smash leggo atm ?
elder wigeon
confused by the question but both kyrian and necro are better than venthyr
idle oxide
confused by the question but both kyrian and necro are better than venthyr
in 2's also?
with all the BM's running around, I feel Venthyr uptime is helpful
dry trail
also any good tip to get to tier 6 with archivist need dem gems
elder wigeon
venthyr feels shit into everything other than hunters
but I personally don't like 2's
fierce elm
You dont need tier 6 with them, you can buy it with soul cinders which are infinitely farmable now @dry trail
Its a lot faster if you start at 0 with archivist rep
elder wigeon
but I'm ~2450 on both kyrian and necrolord in 2's, tried venthyr the other day and was unimpressed, lacked a lot of burst and felt like my damage wasn't of any consequence
idle oxide
im 2k right now. Kyrian = everything escapes spear. Necro - everyone knows when the burst is there - 2min cd. need to save your cd's for it, so very predictable. Venthyr for me feels like BM hunter. Constant pressure, constant uptime. Just feels great in 2's. In 3's, I don't touch Venthyr, there Necro just shines.
but thats my personal opinion on what I experience. With warrior, its very much each to his own right now
fierce elm
Dont toss spear into dumb shit and nothing escapes it unless they bug it
elder wigeon
against sp, i just use spear to get fade
i just chuck it so i can warbreaker in peace
idle oxide
against sp, i just use spear to get fade
thats the thing I also saw. Spear gets cd's, but stacking spear with other cd's is a bad idea
idle oxide
I dont even use badge with spear. I save badge for Warbreaker when I know they got their defs de-synced. Thats what helped me to get from 1.8 to 2k this week.
elder wigeon
or you plan on offensively parrying or trinketing
I just use badge/bloodfury with whatever cooldowns that don't get stopped
idle oxide
I just use badge/bloodfury with whatever cooldowns that don't get stopped
yup, exactly. I think that is where many warriors go wrong atm - stacking too many cd's at the start not thinking that the enemy will just avoid all that burst.
elder wigeon
against WW, you're just fucked, there's nothing you can do to outplay them
except bladestorming their disarm, but if they're off global, there's nothing you can do
idle oxide
luckily im not facing 2.4 WW yet (unless its a boost ofc). but at 2k they feel doable. Very frustrating to fight against though if they know how to kite well when you are popping or they get low.
elder wigeon
rdruid WW is just tiltfest
idle oxide
For me I feel my most hated enemies to fight are:
- BM
- Affi Lock
- WW.
In that order
elder wigeon
WW >>>> Rdruid > hunter
mystic barn
they can’t kite or port if u cc them first then burst
idle oxide
actually considering playing leaper lego into these comps
Against WW, Spear worked wonders though.
As QCP said
to stop the port
elder wigeon
monks can bug the spear
mystic barn
stormforged soon
elder wigeon
easily
rdruid can thorns and cen ward the monk with bark if need be, you swap to the rdruid, monk can 30 yard disarm you if need be, druids also have grove tranquility to live CD's above all else
idle oxide
can you only stop the new and improved Tranq with a stun? or do we have something alse that can work?
idle oxide
so stun doesnt stop it?
elder wigeon
you have to AOE CC it with a stun or silence, you can also knock it
idle oxide
dayum
vestal ibex
Saw someone on the forums the other day asking for Def Stance to be nerfed to -60% damage done because people just sit in it since Warrior damage is good enough even with the defecit
Whilst I think -60% is dumb, I get the point - I don't think I ever really leave Def Stance unless they've just had their go on my teammate
dry trail
im swaping to necro haste or crit ? most of my geat is crit is that ok ? i will play EB
vestal ibex
Most of my kills happen in Def Stance tbh
vestal ibex
im swaping to necro haste or crit ? most of my geat is crit is that ok ? i will ...
Haste
vestal ibex
🤷♂️
dry trail
its' that BIG difference?
vestal ibex
Assume if you've gone full crit you were Venthyr before?
dry trail
ye
vestal ibex
Yeah so you'll notice a difference in both playstyle and stats, which combined will make a rather noticeable change in smoothness
I personally have Necro Warrior sitting at around 15% Haste, then the rest Crit
dry trail
im like 25% crit 5% haste
vestal ibex
You'll find your overall gameplay quite clunky imo
fierce elm
Secondaries dont matter for warrior dont @ me
vestal ibex
Okay
dry trail
afro reporting in
vestal ibex
@dry trail Personally I was all crit, same stats as you - moved to Necro and got my 15% haste and I noticed a much smoother gameplay.
Just my humble opinion
dry trail
ye sure man tnx for reply now it's the renown grind... whats' the fastet way to 80 ?
vestal ibex
Renown is easy to gain these days, do your callings and weeklies obviously
Other than that, I've found speed running Torghast at Layer 5 or higher 'okay' for Renown - not sure on exactly how the odds work but from 40-48 Renown I got 100% drop rate in Layer 5, then had to slowly move up layers every 3/4 Renown
Speed running takes 8-12mins ish per run for 1 Renown
Also Dungeons, doing the raids also gives Renown per boss (not sure if 100% drop rate but fairly consistent)
elder wigeon
I often feel forced to leave d-stance, bad warriors will sit it far too long and their damage will suffer as consequence
nerfing d-stance damage output would be fine, however it should be turned into a cooldown and buffed to 30%
-30% damage taken, -50% damage done for 8 seconds, being a cancelable aura, with a 45 second CD would be fine I think
vestal ibex
I'd rather see it baseline like it used to be
elder wigeon
would be pretty much useless in its old form, needs to be tied to dancing if that's the case
vestal ibex
Yeah that's what I mean, simple enough to macro your way around it
But forcing you to turn it off when you want to be offensive
elder wigeon
it wouldn't force you, quite the opposite
would be rather inconsequential
the only way to do that would be to nerf rage gains in d-stance by about 35%
pretty expensive for just 10% damage reduction on top of the -10% damage dealt
vestal ibex
I was talking about the "X Requires X Stance"
elder wigeon
if warriors didn't have d-stance right now, we'd fall the fuck over
vestal ibex
So you have to turn off the Defensive Stance to use Mortal Strike etc
elder wigeon
not even a joke or an exaggeration
warped warren
if warriors didn't have d-stance right now, we'd fall the fuck over
ye no shit
vestal ibex
if warriors didn't have d-stance right now, we'd fall the fuck over
Yeah that's what a lot of other classes don't realise 😂
But bringing back the old stances, maybe not berserker but the old Battle/Defensive base line toggles
And requiring you to be in one stance or the other
elder wigeon
warriors would be out of the meta if they didn't have d-stance, seriously
elder wigeon
every warrior comp would get farmed by RMX and jungle
I don't like how d-stance is designed and the current toolkit of warriors right now with that being said
it's annoying for me and for others
vestal ibex
That's why I agree with it needing to be reworked
It's not a "Defensive Stance" if you can use all your offensive toolkit when in that stance
And I don't want it to be "Only use defensive abilities in Defensive Stance and vice versa"
But definitely would want Mortal Strike/Execute only usable in Battle Stance
warped warren
highkey
vestal ibex
If the stance dancing came back
vestal ibex
I don't even have shield block or slam bound
elder wigeon
I don't wanna use a sword and shield unless there's some serious utility I get back from having it
like shield bash purge
vestal ibex
why would you not have slam
I meant Shield Slam, not Slam Slam!
warped warren
I meant Shield Slam, not Slam Slam!
oh yea
i member slamming freedoms and sacred shields
elder wigeon
when i think of arms warrior class fantasy with sword and shield I can't help but to point fingers towards new world with their weapon system design
tons of sustain and utility coming from it, little damage however
vestal ibex
I'd love for a "gladiator" style use for Sword/Shield as an offensive build
vestal ibex
elder wigeon
I'm indifferent to it, I just want the warrior toolkit to be less frontloaded
elder wigeon
if you don't have d-stance up, no parry, any CD's kill you from any class
you can't fix warrior without fixing d-stance
vestal ibex
I mean, there's more than that to keep you alive
warped warren
gg
elder wigeon
that's not the problem with warrior defensively
vestal ibex
But I get your point
elder wigeon
locking you into d-stance longer or shorter isn't really a fix, it just makes it aids as fuck to play
warped warren
i said nerf damage further than 20% so you cant afk in it
vestal ibex
That's why they need to bring back stance dancing with some offensive abilities being locked to Battle Stance 
elder wigeon
another 10% would be fair to see where it goes, more if it's really that necessary
vestal ibex
Get caught going zugzug without brain, get punished
elder wigeon
but I feel like I'm being flayed alive by jungle in d-stance and jungle is already hard to kill unless you're playing with a ret and an rdruid
warped warren
but I feel like I'm being flayed alive by jungle in d-stance and jungle is alrea...
wdym, warrior is immortal!!!!!
elder wigeon
in a lot of situations it does feel immortal
vestal ibex
When enemy is afk
elder wigeon
playing against a melee cleave that doesn't want to touch you and any swaps to you are met with a parry and complete safety
and then they ignore you until parry is off cd again
but against top teams, I feel like I can die at any time honestly
vestal ibex
but against top teams, I feel like I can die at any time honestly
That's kinda true of most classes if you're referring to the moments when you have no defensive CD's
elder wigeon
I'd be fine with another 10% nerf on damage, just to see where it goes
warped warren
playing against a melee cleave that doesn't want to touch you and any swaps to y...
if they swap you when cds are off cd xddddd
sure
vestal ibex
Also, they still need to fix the armour bug
elder wigeon
armor bug?
vestal ibex
warped warren
it doesnt matter
elder wigeon
I don't want plate classes to feel like I'm punching a brick wall
vestal ibex
True, but losing physical damage reduction by having MORE armour?
elder wigeon
armor is only relevant against other melee
vestal ibex
Just doesn't make sense
warped warren
True, but losing physical damage reduction by having MORE armour?
play with 226 ilvl then
and lose half your hp
and damage
vestal ibex
Or you could just acknowledge bliz once again is dumb asf
warped warren
whats the actual tldr of the video
fierce elm
gain armor but lose % reduction
vestal ibex
In PvP, the armour scaling is fucked - go to PvE, and look at your armour amount vs physical damage reduction values, then check it again in PvP
elder wigeon
I'm fine with armor being low in pvp I want things to die
fierce elm
same fuck dampen
vestal ibex
Agreed, but you shouldn't be penalised with lesser defence for having more armour values
Otherwise what's the point of the armour system, if it goes backwards
elder wigeon
dampening is fine but maybe the solution is to just straight up nerf healing in pvp by 20%
dampening is a bandaid fix for healers being able to heal too much for too long
warped warren
Agreed, but you shouldn't be penalised with lesser defence for having more armou...
what are the values then?
screen it because i cba looking
vestal ibex
look because i cba to screen it
warped warren
cba
vestal ibex
same
elder wigeon
doesn't matter in the end
wheat jay
no sorry, 5% dmg reductioin from armor or something
warped warren
i dont
vestal ibex
If not, not my problem 😂
vestal ibex
For those who care
vestal ibex
It's 6min
fierce elm
Eto hates swedish people
warped warren
same thing
vestal ibex
But again, really not my prob lol
fierce elm
Also if you want the actual answer 216 has about 0.3% more physical damage reduction
compared to 244
fierce elm
with less armor value
elder wigeon
damage and healing is way too high right now, and if defensives and offensives are perfectly rotated, it still goes to dampening, but you end up with a nuclear arms race of one shots, where if you're dead in .1 seconds 100-0
fierce elm
IT does change compared to the target you are targeting
vestal ibex
Gain 20+ ilvl and lose 0.3% physical damage reduction
vestal ibex
Makes sense 😂
vestal ibex
Not the point though is it
warped warren
did i ask or
warped warren
nop
fierce elm
If you are higher gear than your opponent you do lose like 0.5% at max physical reduction
fierce elm
It also gets off-set by versatility gain by hitting higher ilvl
fierce elm
So yes, it doesnt matter but is a weird interaction
vestal ibex
So yes, it doesnt matter but is a weird interaction
This
It's just a broken, or otherwise unexplained system
And although other stats offset the outcome
It still shouldn't happen
warped warren
omg omg omg omg omg i lose .3% armor damage red compared to this 226 ilvl guy
imma cry
but i also 1shot him
in opeener
but my .3% armor dmg red
vestal ibex
You're a tad eccentric, but sure thing
vestal ibex
I don't think that's quite the case
wheat jay
but my .3% armor dmg red
ye but normally you'd gain few %
os its not 0.3%
its 0.3%+whatever we would gain
warped warren
ye but normally you'd gain few %
instead you gain 20k hp and alot more damage
wheat jay
ye but i'd have both
warped warren
why
vestal ibex
Idk, I've lost the will to communicate with this guy - doesn't appear to get through
wheat jay
normally with ilvl i would gain hp, dmg, armor dmg reduction
now i gain hp and dmg only
warped warren
says who
vestal ibex
normally with ilvl i would gain hp, dmg, armor dmg reduction
As someone who already has done, I advise you to not waste your time
warped warren
who are you even
wheat jay
well, my time 🙂
vestal ibex
Best of luck bud 😂
warped warren
😹 👌 💯
elder wigeon
you guys are being cringe get over the armor stuff it literally doesn't matter
warped warren
no its very very veyr important
elder wigeon
it's a non-problem in the fuckin basket of dogshit that's wrong with the game
warped warren
unplayable multi trillion dollar juros yen company
cant even fix armor values and damage reductions
!!!!
elder wigeon
it's a buff to all, but some more than others
elder wigeon
Enhancement
wheat jay
is it?
warped warren
yes
elder wigeon
it's all physical except ascendance and chain harvest
warped warren
ya
warped warren
smh
wheat jay
fair, then big buff to them
elder wigeon
if they're playing ele blast then that's a diff story
elder wigeon
yup
elder wigeon
like I said, buff to all, some more than others, the losers here are DK's and rets
vestal ibex
I think to put it simply, I personally was just commenting on the point that it's a weird concept that more gear is resulting in lesser defensive power
Not that it's broken the game or causing a huge widespread effect etc
elder wigeon
already moved on
vestal ibex
Allowed to say whatever I please tbh
warped warren
if they're playing ele blast then that's a diff story
but they dont
vestal ibex
Short of anything outright offensive
elder wigeon
they do if they're tired of being disarmed on doomwinds
warped warren
most of my problems really are with rdruids
yep
elder wigeon
I see it sometimes
vestal ibex
fuck monks
100%
vestal ibex
I'm not even entirely sure what causes their oneshot
vestal ibex
Bonedust brew in some regard
elder wigeon
Rdruids >> WW monk = Demo lock > Aff lock > Frost mage > Hunters
in 3v3 at least
in terms of what I hate the most
wheat jay
Rdruids >> WW monk = Demo lock > Aff lock > Frost mage > Hunters
why do you hate me habibi ;__;
quasi lotus
I'm not even entirely sure what causes their oneshot
They get huge flat % stat bonuses from talents and leggos just pressing their buttons. Combine that with bonedust and maffs = big number
vestal ibex
Rdruids >> WW monk = Demo lock > Aff lock > Frost mage > Hunters
I'd add Spriest to the end, but otherwise this is 100% same for me
elder wigeon
I don't hate sp really but I'm a warrior
vestal ibex
They get huge flat % stat bonuses from talents and leggos just pressing their bu...
It's always on the back of a Spinning Crane Kick right?
elder wigeon
dance of chi-ji procs
wheat jay
also bonedust giving them big crit chance iirc
quasi lotus
Yes because that also has a talented proc for x % damage increase
elder wigeon
nah that's keefers
quasi lotus
Turns out if you maffs a load of bonuses together at the same time
Numbers skyrocket
MAFFS
Kek
vestal ibex
Fingers crossed it gets some kind of fix at some point
Kinda tilt to see my healer die in 0.2sec from 80% hp
elder wigeon
just a little bit more tuning and it's not really that big of a problem anymore
quasi lotus
They nerfed chiji proc slightly but the numbers are still too high when used in combination
Its not an issue if the monk is garbage
quasi lotus
Its literally just a problem when everything lines up together