pvp

[sharp meteor]

because fury was okay/good at one point and it was the most stupid thing to play into

prot/fury just beating your face in and taking no damage

[brazen dew]

I remember fighting fury in bfa and the bloodthirst snare removal was obnoxious

healing wasn't that crazy comparably

these devs are clowns.

[sharp meteor]

no fury shouldn't be good lmao

game is broken if current incarnation of fury is good

[quasi lotus]

You can still play prot fury and run at healers

Lol

[sharp meteor]

yeah that silence is killer

[brazen dew]

the game IS broken though!

[quasi lotus]

You could probably do it all the way to 2.4

If the prot has a brain

[thick reef]

maybe i should just play ret paladin kek

[sharp meteor]

yeah for sure

[undone pumice]

just play a class that can 1 shot

[quasi lotus]

If you play 2s mostly then don't ret

Ret is dogshit in 2s

Right down there with DK

But they both make super good 3s comps

[thick reef]

3s and wpvp are my thing

[quasi lotus]

Well ret is definitely better than warrior in wpvp

And for 3s if you can find yourself a nice warrior you can play ret/warr to whatever rating you desire in life

[thick reef]

Well then I think I'm in the wrong discord lol

[quasi lotus]

Up to you my man. Warrior is the most versatile 3s class in the game, needs nerfing and can fit into any comp

[undone pumice]

wpvp rogue is all that matters

[quasi lotus]

Ret has a lot less viable comps but a lot better in wpvp

[undone pumice]

if u cant beat a rogue in wpvp ur spec is bad at wpvp

[quasi lotus]

Make your choice etc

[thick reef]

Well also if I play pally I can go Holy, so it's probably a better choice than warrior

[brazen dew]

There a min haste I'd probably want as arms for pvp, or nah?

[fierce elm]

yeah this

[brazen dew]

I see

[sharp meteor]

haste good, crit good, vers gooder, mastery not good

[vague latch]

whats a good covenant for arms for pvp currently?

Ive seen its more like kyrian and necrolord are good?

[sharp meteor]

necro good, kyrian good

[vague latch]

I mean its easier to just switch it up, my dps partner in 3s is a monk

I think necro is more like more survivability and big dps boost for my partner?

Atleast thats what I am guessing... not really sure about necro never really played it as of yet

[fierce elm]

Mastery is 1:1 damage so its pretty good

Its all dependant on what leggo you go

[vague latch]

what is the preferred leggo for necro?

[fierce elm]

Enduring/Mirror/Sephuz

Which means generally Haste gets more value due to enduring

But Warriors secondary stats doesnt matter for shit as long as you go Vers > everything else

[vague latch]

I really appreciate you guys helping me out tbh

I cant seem to find info about arms warrior on 9.1.5

[buoyant shale]

does the lfg not show the difference between healer/dps now?

[fierce elm]

it doesnt

but it goes 0/0/0, where first one is tank, 2nd is healer, 3rd is dps

9.1.5 brought no changes for warrior @vague latch

from 9.1

[vague latch]

Yea tbh, this is my first warrior I have ever made, used to only play holy/ret pally

Really new to this class

[ember rose]

Where is the haste at

[fierce elm]

0

[ember rose]

bruh

[sharp meteor]

you'll die in the global before you can press rally like a man

full crit

send it

[ember rose]

Those stats would chonk with eb necro

or venth

I was pushing 2s with NF BL with like 10 haste that shit was scuffed

[wicked magnet]

i really enjoy my warrior in wpvp

[thick reef]

Arms?

[wicked magnet]

yes

[thick reef]

Rip

[wicked magnet]

wut?

[thick reef]

I don't enjoy playing Arms... or atleast didn't in 8.3

[sharp meteor]

questionable

considering that was last expansion

[wicked magnet]

think ur under estimating unhinged

[mental knoll]

checked a lot of the pvp builds after awhile and it looks like necrolord is becoming much more popular. Any reason why this is better over kryian+eliysian might? Just better utility/defensibility?

[sharp meteor]

I don't know. Maybe queuing into big spear every game lead to people figuring out how to counterplay it.

Early this season was like 95% kyrian and 5% necro who only played retwarr

[robust hearth]

is it still verse>crit for spear of bastion leggo?

[fluid lichen]

because people are able to swap freely now, necro wasnt as viable for PVE so im sure that pushed a lot of players away from it

thats my take on it anyway, makes sense to me

necro has always been good in PVP depending on the comp you play

[thick reef]

So what is the best covenant in PvP right now?

[elder kelp]

I was also wondering that. And also curious about whether we use enduring blow or battelord if we are Necro for arena

[scarlet barn]

Kyrian /necro

[thick reef]

do I have to buy the new 2h wep? Is there any way to refund the 2h axe for the 2h sword?

[scarlet barn]

no refun

you dont have to

But it is very good

[sharp meteor]

it's secondaries on a single piece of gear no you don't need it

and no you can't refund if you've used the piece

[thick reef]

i mean..the mog 😛

[crisp jewel]

What's current mort strike healing debuff at? 25% right ?

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[crisp jewel]

Ok I knew hunter pets were 25% and fury was 20% stacking to 40% but when I looked up arms ms the tooltip says 50%

Sharpen blade will do 50%

[sharp meteor]

Should be 25% in pvp, and Sharpen is 50% for 6s

[crisp jewel]

Ya your right, finally found it, the tooltip is wrong on wowhead

[elder wigeon]

mortal strike has been nerfed to 25% in pvp since cata

[crisp jewel]

Ahh I c, haven't played wow that long. Mostly shadowlands

Besides warriors and hunter pets, any other ms debuffs?

[elder wigeon]

Mortal dance, from DH's, WW monk Mortal strike from RSK, wound poison from rogues, shaman unleash shield, lock chaos bolt pool

[sharp meteor]

No, the tooltip is right on wowhead.

Mortal Wounds
Healing effects received reduced by 50%.
10 seconds remaining

PVP Multiplier: 0.5

Also wound poison is kind of weird

[crisp jewel]

So that's correct for PvE? And in pvp it's nerfed to 25 ?

[elder wigeon]

yes

[sharp meteor]

But yeah keep MS up at all times and unless it changed with the patch msing into sharpen doesn't refresh and you're gapping yourself

Yes

[crisp jewel]

Gotcha

[elder wigeon]

yes you fuck yourself MSing into sharpen, you have to wait

[elder kelp]

do we use enduring blow or battlelord lego for necrolord cov?

[elder wigeon]

whatever you want

[sharp meteor]

Idk I just enduring

[elder wigeon]

most use enduring

[sharp meteor]

Necro arms can play anything tbh

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't make that much of a difference if I'm going to be completely honest

[elder kelp]

ah gotcha. was curious because I Hve enduring for raid so didn't know if I needed to keep farming torgh to craft something else

[elder wigeon]

personally I'd rather play utility than damage, like sephuz or mirror

[sharp meteor]

Yeah sephuz heavy cc or mirror to protect my tiny enh or ret

[elder wigeon]

insane to reflect a maledict or mindgames

[sharp meteor]

big plays!!

[elder wigeon]

more like having a dispel for the second maledict because maledict users are zug zug mongos

don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[sharp meteor]

even if it doesn't reflect anything it can mitigate a lot of dam

[elder wigeon]

yeah a bit

[fluid lichen]

and hemotoxin assassin pvp talent

big 40% 9s on shiv

[elder wigeon]

that too

also druid cyclone with the pvp talent

[marsh wharf]

gems or pvp gear?

[sharp meteor]

pardon

[simple rock]

I choose... gear...

[pale minnow]

road to glad with mistweaver monk

and ret

[elder wigeon]

easy

[wicked magnet]

🙄

what i get for trying to level up a toon in bgs

[exotic bolt]

is this fine for pvp?

[wicked magnet]

i like mik more

[sharp meteor]

movement speed thing in bottom right is useful, recommend putting die by the sword in top conduit slot where ignore pain is now

[wicked magnet]

i like pelagos the least

[exotic bolt]

im playing 2s with a rdruid

[sharp meteor]

talents are basically that every game, can swap out massacre for rend vs high armor dampeners aka mirrors

[exotic bolt]

what should my 2 finesse conduits be?

[elder wigeon]

i pretty much never take death sentence anymore, too many talents that are good

safeguard and rally is good

[sharp meteor]

vene mandatory 3s kind of matchup specific in 2s although good in general

[exotic bolt]

what instead of death sentence?

[elder wigeon]

whatever you need in the matchup

[sharp meteor]

duel disarm banner

depends on matchup

[elder wigeon]

i take warbringer a lot but never both, but i really never take death sentence

[sharp meteor]

only bad honor talent is like shadow

[elder wigeon]

so a lot of the time it's warbringer sharpen banner/disarm

[sharp meteor]

everything else has a place

[elder wigeon]

or if there's nothing to banner or disarm, i take commanding

IE feral hpriest

or WW priest

[sharp meteor]

ya can't rly disarm feral ww or bm

[elder wigeon]

you can but it does nothing

[sharp meteor]

or rather it's super inefficient ya

[elder wigeon]

can disarm a mage too if you like

see how that works

[sharp meteor]

assert dominance

let his pod rez go off too

[exotic bolt]

is mikanikos or pelagos better for 2s with a rdruid

[wicked magnet]

i like mik, auto stun is great

[sharp meteor]

mik is nice for auto stun and more spears

kleia is nice for more crit and bleed thing

pelagos is bursty if you can align his minigame proc with your spear mastery go

[scarlet barn]

I would ignore pelagos tbh in pvp

And most people ignore in pve too

[viscid bluff]

which leggo do you guys usei n pvp

[scarlet barn]

Enduring/misshapen/EM 👀

[viscid bluff]

do dom sockets work in pvp lol

[scarlet barn]

Nerfed by at least 50%

So not worth

[robust hearth]

does fueld by voilence conduit work with arms deep wound?

the one where it heals u for a % of deep wounds damage?

[scarlet barn]

Yes

But i dont recommend using it

It is subpar

[robust hearth]

D:

well im thinking more in like a rated bg situation if im bladestorming 8+ ppl and gettign healed for 30% of deep woudns damage being done on 8 different ppl at same time wouldnt it be good?

[scarlet barn]

Ehhh

I mean yea but it will do nothing inbetween

[robust hearth]

ok... whats the soulbind for necrolord for pvp specifically rated bgs? i just recently swapped to necro after getting 80 reknown for kyrian

[scarlet barn]

If you really need second endurance

Use this

Along with reduction on your def cd

[robust hearth]

kk ty

[radiant hamlet]

Hey folks, crit vers or haste vers for necro arms looking to swap between kyrian and necro?

[scarlet barn]

Either is fine

Crit verse though should net you more

Also check pins for stats

[radiant hamlet]

Thanks

[solar grail]

How is mythic Jaithys compared to pvp weapon?

[elder wigeon]

Better

[wicked magnet]

they do in maw/korthia wpvp

[wicked magnet]

🤔 what does necro bring to the table over kyrian in rated bgs?

i would have thought kyrian would be the best in rbgs

[elder wigeon]

you can be a tryhard and run glory for your moonkins/locks

[safe kelp]

Hey, I'm not super experienced in arena since cata, and especially not as arms warrior. Any tips on dealing with rogues and other super hard kite-capable-classes?

[elder wigeon]

disarm rogues on their setup, whether it's with dance or not, but often times their big goes are with dance, as for other things like mages, it's tough, there's no way you're not going to get kited a significant amount, but your first and last global on any highly mobile/slow heavy range dps is hamstring/howl

[safe kelp]

Thank you! It helps knowing that I don't miss anything obvious!

[dawn hill]

Is Venth good for 2s? Which Leggo should I be using?

[sharp meteor]

Seems fine, and probably sephuz or mirror. Maybe enduring.

[dawn hill]

Okay cool, I read Exploiter was the one but wasn’t sure

I’ve been going Kyriana for 3s, running Mikanikos

But this Venth warriors in 2s were going nuts 😂

[south wren]

Hey guys, in tellmewhen addon, I wanna track my insignia of alacrity ( on equip primary stat ). I don't know what duration to add? anyone has that setup?

[elder wigeon]

@south wren

I tried venthyr in 2's the other day, honestly felt worse than kyrian

[dawn hill]

As Kyrian which soul bind do you use?

[elder wigeon]

mikanikos about 90% of the time

if I'm playing against a feral or assassination in any comp, i run kleia

specifically for ascendant phial and hope springs eternal

[south wren]

working beautifully, tyvm

marileth for necro, right?

on the subject.. :))

[elder wigeon]

yes always

[south wren]

ty

[safe kelp]

How do I deal with rdruid/survival hutner? They seem to have no problem kiting me with vortex, and their ability to just feigh death and disengage?

[elder wigeon]

what covenant are you

[safe kelp]

Kyrian

[elder wigeon]

save spear for the rdruid always, probably gonna need stun to land the spear on a good rdruid, just go hunter pet on the way to the hunter, if you're playing with a shaman ask them to help with slows/roots, if you're playing with rdruid ask for help with roots/stuns

[safe kelp]

What do yyou mean go hunter pet on my way to the hunteR?

[sharp meteor]

hit the pet while running towards the hunter

always be doing damage

[safe kelp]

Ah yeah ok. Was just curious if I was missing a strat to get to the hunter.. I could rarely dmg him

But maybe I should not underestimate our ability to sit rdruid for a while too

[elder wigeon]

a good rdruid will never let you hit them without spear/stun

they will play 40 yards away and go for restealths all game and rake stun you get full bleeds then root you and run away

like dinoe, such a fucker with that stuff

[sharp meteor]

yeah so ideally you're swapping off druid hots, but that's really hard to do in 2s if the druid spaces

full hots and/or + getting kited = swap targets

[elder wigeon]

at least you have a 3rd target against hunter, the pet

even though hunter pets are hard to kill now in 2's

[sharp meteor]

FKN undispellable mend is BULLSHIT

[safe kelp]

Sounds like we have a hard time against that cobo lol

combo

[sharp meteor]

but yeah swaps off hots/bark can be good

there's also just ambiently killing the pet with spears and sweep

then swapping to it when it's lower to force hots then back to hunter

i feel it's generally warrior favored unless hunter has rdruid healer

then it's kind of coin toss because most hunters are rly awful

2s rdruids too

[novel basalt]

can anyone link some good / lowkey pvp warriors that are still making content? Theres seems to be a big drought rn

im 2100cr and usually watch baj, warroid, revolol, and magnus but they havent been uploading much tyy❤️

[elder wigeon]

@novel basalt https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzeYuzme2U7LLVzFooBAkUw/videos

[nocturne radish]

^^

[jaunty furnace]

Game not doing so well right now

No ones uploading content or streaming

Well very few are

[elder wigeon]

there's no point

future of the game is grim, people are sick of it, lots of other options right now

I don't play much at all, maybe once or twice a week, friends all quit

[tough compass]

most content creator are bored af aswell

I mean right now we get new contents and seasons like 4 times slower compared to legion

which is a huge joke

and the contents we get are aweful on top

[elder wigeon]

rough

[sharp meteor]

idk why they refuse to do multiple seasons per tier

people grab their ksm elite set glad etc then bugger off because there's legit nothing for like 6-8+ months

shit gets so stagnant

[elder wigeon]

because no balance changes

not because there's no new seasons

[sharp meteor]

yeah they don't want to shake stuff up mid season which wouldn't be bad if seasons weren't a year long

[elder wigeon]

they let 1 meta go on for 6 months straight and then make rdruids god tier and think they fixed the game

every two weeks there should be a slight meta shakeup

[sharp meteor]

that's too often but being entirely hands off for months is not ideal

[tough compass]

Not a fan of meta shake ups mid season tbh, Id rather like to have fatser new seasons with new metas

[elder wigeon]

not really too often, it's how league and overwatch do things

[tough compass]

also something inbetween 2400 and r1 wud be dope

the range is awkwardly huge

[elder wigeon]

make it elite, and bring back old gladiator

[tough compass]

ya

wud be great

[sharp meteor]

current model is fine if seasons are short

there are more wotlk and tbc drakes than unchained

and that's only counting the active accs

[tough compass]

make the seasons couple of month and make glad + r1 %based so people have an incentive to constantly play

mop gearing

and we gucci

[sharp meteor]

some legion seasons were like 11-13 weeks

[tough compass]

ye thats like 3 month

which is fine

[sharp meteor]

i feel like that's a better range than every six to nine months yer

[fickle forge]

Also a lot easier to reroll in LoL and Overwatch

[elder wigeon]

that point makes even less sense if you consider that your class will be balanced more often

[neon pier]

hey do u think for kyrian arms in pvp, is the covenant legendary still the best after the nerf in 9.1.5?

im new here btw 😄

[elder wigeon]

absolutely

[eternal berry]

which one's better sword or axe from conquest pts.?

[elder wigeon]

sword if you're playing haste obviously, otherwise I think axe is better if you're going for a 0 haste build for kyrian

[neon pier]

oh so for kyrian is 0 haste the best?

so i prefer mastery?

[elder wigeon]

vers > crit > mastery > Haste

I like it personally, big hits

[eternal berry]

yes i am playing as kyrian vers crit build

[neon pier]

thank u, i will get the 262 kyrian legendary now

[wicked magnet]

i thought things were suppose to be much easier for alts, why am i having to do the campaign from scratch and unlock torghast, free the runecarver, etc

[elder wigeon]

if it's for a campaign you haven't done before, you gotta do it

[wicked magnet]

ive done it all before

though it was on alliance kyrian now im horde kyrian

[elder wigeon]

yeah i mean you gotta do the regular campaign first

that stuff isn't even covenant campaign

[old trail]

Is it easier to hit 2.1k as arms warrior at 241 ilvl, or dk at 252 ilvl?

Warrior has a 246 jaithys, dk has a 252 weapon

[elder wigeon]

dk at 252

dk is easier than warrior and at 2.1 the meta doesn't matter, gear also matters

[wicked magnet]

uh...are memories account wide?

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

[wicked magnet]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

i been sitting here farming unhinged like...i sure am getting unlucky with this drop xD

its cause i already have it T_T

[sharp meteor]

I think that they also made memories 100%

[wicked magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-tears-emotional-tantrum-cony-gif-13009332

[crisp jewel]

What would be a better offhand 246 rank 5 Jaithys or 246 drust axe w haste/vers

[manic patio]

Is Kyrian still the go in 2s or Necro?

[sharp meteor]

they're both good play the one you like

[thick reef]

yea theres more kyran now tbh in 2s

[manic patio]

ty

[mighty fractal]

enduring blow as necro warr in 2's?

[elder wigeon]

yeah that or mirror

[sharp meteor]

Enduring is a good general damage pick, yeah.

[uncut token]

Is Jaithys worth using at all in pvp?

[elder wigeon]

259 jaithys is the best

[uncut token]

246 Jaithys vs a 252 Drustvar

[wind coyote]

any recommendations on what covenant i should go for 3's? running with enhance shaman and resto shaman.

[alpine spade]

Is Venthyr dead now compared to the other covs?

[sharp meteor]

Venth hasn't really been changed.

Condemn doesn't feel as good as execute after the direct buff and armor nerf, though.

[alpine spade]

Ah I see, so necro/kyrian is the play now? Is Venthyr atleast competitive still?

[sharp meteor]

Tossup between Kyrian/Necro, yeah. I think it depends on both your comp and what you're queuing into. I bumped into a Havoc playing with a Venth warrior around 2700ish? I can't remember the warriors name but the DH is around 3k now

So while venth isn't imo the best/ideal it is still functional

[alpine spade]

Perfect thanks!

[thick reef]

As a necro warrior does anyone know how much haste we should be going for ? Cuz a lot of the 2400 plus ppl have 10-20% each warrior same Lego and stuff but all different stats ? Also some have 9-10% haste with Crit which do you guys think is better ?

[warped warren]

go full haste as necro 🐱

[thick reef]

Thank you!

[shy aurora]

how do i fight Rogue/mage as warr/Rsham?

sit on rogue?

[fickle forge]

Sit mage, purge off shields+alter and have your sham keep rogue in combat with shocks

[shy aurora]

k ty

[gaunt dune]

What offer necro war?

[scarlet barn]

Burst, tankiness, speed

[gritty gyro]

no crit?

[iron basalt]

Why couldn’t anyone tell me there was a crit conquest sword before I spent all of it on gear for an alt I’ll never play

[pastel garden]

It was just added in the 9.1.5 patch and had been mentioned numerous times here. :p

[scarlet barn]

Frankly

[manic patio]

I got my warrior with 6 gem slots from the rift farming, he's at 36% vers and 20% crit (Kyrian). Should I just stack vers or go for more crit chance? I'm assunming vers is always better

[sharp meteor]

I imagine if Vers is by far our best stat now that it remains our best stat from 30 to 40 as we're only taxed 10% and only on that small amount

There's also the SL speed gem to move slightly quicker

[wicked magnet]

feels like every time i go to korthia on my new horde toon im in a different shard but on my alliance toon I can be on the same shard for days

[wicked magnet]

you wouldn't even notice the difference aside from appearance because it has a lower max damage and less versa

raidbots said it will improve my dps by....12 xD

[past vapor]

I need help understanding Shattering Throw and when it will deal massive damage beyond the shield value. It seems to have something to do with the pvp talent that decreases the cd but i had very inconsistent outcomes when i tested it with a warlock friend. I was under the impression, that breaking the shield would then add the 500% from the talent onto the original Shattering Throw damage, resulting in ~15-20k damage with cooldowns that go into the health pool, even when the damage was barely enough to break the shield in the first place (going from 40k total damage to 60k e.g., while not breaking the shield would only be 40k total)
Does anyone have some more info on that topic?

[wicked magnet]

as far as I know the extra damage only applies to the absorb shield, never the health pool

[past vapor]

that's what i thought too and even argued with my warlock partner about it, when he said he got hit beyond the shield. then we tested it in duels and you can actually deal a good amount of damage to the healthpool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IEHjw5t4nk this is one example

(not my video)

[wicked magnet]

🤔 how much damage did you manage to do beyond the shield when you tested with your lock?

[past vapor]

~15-17k most of the time. should be even more as necro with banner up

[frail light]

Wht is best for fury pelagos or mikaninos

[past vapor]

https://youtu.be/diLGBUDLEEc?t=21 same thing happens here. ST buffed by Avatar, Mastery with Banner, Sinful Revelation, WB & Kevin = 38k damage to healthpool
I'm pretty sure that the 500% additional damage from the talent that is supposed to go into the shield breaking aspect is actually going onto the normal ST damage when it breaks the shield. I'll try if this works on any shields later

[quasi lotus]

Modifiers vs shield total

Incase no one has answered you yet

Its not related to the pvp talent but the talent enables it more

[safe kelp]

Some dd are not affected by disarm, anywhere I can see which? In general, I just want to know which dd I want to pick disarm against

[fierce elm]

Rogue/Warrior/DH

[quasi lotus]

Dk

[fierce elm]

DK

nothing else

[sharp meteor]

Enhancement

[fierce elm]

that too

rest disarm does nothing against

[sharp meteor]

Yep. BM, Ret (for the most part), WW and whatnot aren't horribly affected.

and obviously can't disarm feral

[fierce elm]

Also Marksman if you ever face that

[sharp meteor]

MM gets destroyed by disarm yeah and more people playing it now

Assa is also weird because you disable most abilities but their dmg is mostly dots so it's kind of eh

cucks sub so hard though

[pastel garden]

So wait. Disarming ret during wings isn't worth it? Damn.

[safe kelp]

Why is it not worth during wings lol? 😄

[fierce elm]

Because they are gonna get their holy power however you want

If you are in 2s you can afford to grab disarm for purely ret

[safe kelp]

They dont need their wep for dmg verdict and so on?

[fierce elm]

Nope

[sharp meteor]

nope

[fierce elm]

Final Verdict doesnt need weapon

the only thing you stop is crusader strike iirc

[sharp meteor]

judgment, blade of justice and final verdict all usable without wep

yeah it's just cs

[proven sierra]

hey venthyr war here, just curious how much crit I should be stacking vs haste? I'm currently sitting at 17% crit roughly and 7.5 haste, I'm mostly focused on 2's at the moment and it seems like every venthyr war does it different lol.

[vestal ibex]

I take it "Go Necro or Kyrian" isn't the advice you're looking for 😂 I do miss the simplicity of condemn spams, and I suppose it's 'okay' for LFG

But generally I'd suggest balancing Crit and Haste

Imagine in regards to Venthyr specifically, you can't go wrong with stacking Crit to the maximum, but 10% haste at least would be my recommendation (preferably more).

[elder wigeon]

if I were to play venthyr I'd play all crit

but I think venthyr sucks so I refuse to play it

[proven sierra]

hmm yeah the general consensus is kyrian is pretty much the best, but in 2s venthyr performs pretty well from what I understand. Okay thanks for the info

[elder wigeon]

i tried venthyr again in 2's and it didn't feel better than kyrian, honestly felt like I did no damage

lacked finishing power considerably

[nocturne radish]

8 sec spear is pretty pog yea

does good dam to

[proven sierra]

yeah lol 8 second spear is pretty terrifying to deal with lol

[elder wigeon]

only real way to deal with resto druids

condemn just doesn't do any more damage than execute would

against bear form druids anyways

[nocturne radish]

yeah

[thick reef]

whaats the best covenant and leggo for 2s and RBG?

[elder wigeon]

I personally believe it's kyrian with elysian might, but necrolord is also good and playing mirror is extremely useful, glory may also be pretty meta in BG's considering that you can banner 3 moonkins for convoke

[thick reef]

even after the EM Nerf?

[elder wigeon]

of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk0DP6XLWPg kyrian is alive and well

[elfin surge]

kyrian + elysian

[sharp meteor]

Yeah? It's just a little bit of crit damage.

[vestal ibex]

I've been loving Necrolord

The shield itself is just amazing, the tree you get with Meredith is tank asf

[proven maple]

What’s the name of the disc priest absorb we can shatter for decent dam?

[sharp meteor]

Raptured pw:s?

[thick reef]

whats the best soulbind for Kyrian in RBG?

yayyy i got duelist guys

is there any dom shard that is good in pvp? is a 252 domination gear without Vers, but with a dom shard worth using in pvp?

[sharp meteor]

gz on duelist fren

also I imagine the sylv shoulders are good because ilev

there might be another one that's okay but not really worth thinking about

[thick reef]

ty friend, ur tips helped with what was best for stuff i think u answered some of the things i asked

[sharp meteor]

Always happy to be of assistance 🥳

[shy aurora]

Hows necro Fury doing?

[thick reef]

is the conquest cache worth buying for myself? it is cheaper than any of the pieces, but i guess the danger is getting something I already have?

[elder wigeon]

if you're a gambling man then go for it

but odds are, you're gonna lose it all

[sharp meteor]

Depends on how many slots you have left

I'd just slam out super low mmr wins to rack up conq asap and buy the pieces i wanted directly

[wicked bison]

the honor grind to upgrade conquest is fuckin insane

[elder wigeon]

even a 50% reduction on honor needed is still abysmal

[wicked magnet]

i bought 4 conq cache and got 3 trinkets i didnt need xD

[wicked bison]

wish i could buy honor with all these damn marks

[elder wigeon]

should be able to upgrade gear with the marks too

[thick reef]

did BM get buffed or nerfed in 9.1.5

[elder wigeon]

neutral overall

slight buff in killshot procs and a slight nerf with bestial wrath

MM got some decent buffs

[sharp meteor]

Flayed shot application can proc kill shot, and BW does 20% dmg down from 25% so like

and yeah mm hits super hard but is telegraphed and has funky dmg profile

[thick reef]

what abt ret pally? is it as insane as before? (I played S1).

[sharp meteor]

no but still rly good with warr

[elder wigeon]

post 9.0.5 ret has been the same

largely anyways

[sharp meteor]

launch ret was interesting

[elder wigeon]

toll was beyond insane

[sharp meteor]

just randomly hit all your buttons and at least one person died through cds

similar thing with rm where the rogue just stabs you in the eye for half your health

[long ocean]

is elysian legendary still worth building

for 3's

[elder wigeon]

yes

i run it every game still

[sharp meteor]

the only thing I haven't really played it into for 3s is like spriest

if for whatever reason you don't think you'll get value then play enduring imo but usually you can run big spear

[elder wigeon]

against sp you can probably play something else

you just bait fade with spear 99% of the time anyways

but there is a a fair few times in a game where the priest has to fade before spear

[sharp meteor]

yeah i chuck the spear they fade

then bolt into warbreaker and doom winds

[elder wigeon]

yeah

[sharp meteor]

if either of us lock shadow my sham ascends and the priest usually goes squish in opener

[old trail]

what does the cloak/tabard/enchant look like?

[sage badge]

hi at 1500 rating what ilvl should i be able to upgrade my gear to?

[sharp meteor]

like 246 or something stupid high

[sage badge]

is there a bug? cuz it wont let me

[sharp meteor]

yeah have heard that people can't upgrade stuff since reset

[sage badge]

damn ok

[robust carbon]

Enduring blow on head of wrist?

[sharp meteor]

There's no haste conquest helmet and helm has a higher stat budget/allocation so imo helm

[robust carbon]

TKS

[safe kelp]

I spent all my honor on upgrading all of my pieces from like 233 to 236 (pre pvp-ilvl). Is it a bug? Almost 15k honor spent...

[fierce elm]

Get a pocket healer

Then yeah you are not gonna do well, warrior relies on having a healer

You can run certain talents but its gonna be mad ass

[elder wigeon]

rdruid > rsham > everything else

[thick reef]

as arms how do i kill a dh in 2v2

[vestal ibex]

As someone who plays both Arms and DH I can tell you the matchup isn't just skill based, it's a bit of RNG

Darkness might save them or might not
Hunt might oneshot or might not
Blur might dodge an execute or might not
etc etc etc

[warped warren]

+1

[vapid rover]

tempo his burst try to parry the hunt, then let’s go win :p

[elder wigeon]

reflect the hunt dot always

flip the script

[shy aurora]

So whats the most easy cov to climb as? Mostly thinking of 2s

[gritty gyro]

hey fellow warriors, I just started an arms warrior (necro). Is haste the best stat priority? I stacked crit and a bit of mastery (after vers ofcourse)

[graceful quarry]

Any tips on dying to rogues?

[exotic bolt]

[quasi lotus]

don't die

uh the basics are

don't waste trinket

be in defensive stance when kidney is coming off cd and when you're off stun dr

whatever tracker you are using for kidney (omnibar, gladiusex etc) just stare at it and then go into defensive stance as it comes off cd

[graceful quarry]

nono, tips on dying to rogues

how do I die to them

[quasi lotus]

ah now that's much more complex

when they are stealthed you need to unequip your armour

when they try to run away and restealth you shouldn't hit them because hitting in the back is dishonorable

disarming is also a beta move

and real men tank the cooldowns instead of parrying

[nocturne radish]

yeh tank cds ur a warr youll be fineeee 😛

[gritty gyro]

is there a good colossus smash weakaura so you know the uptime? especially with the enduring blow leggo?

[blazing carbon]

Is kyrian still worth it with the legendary with that nerf?

[nocturne radish]

yeah its still rly good 8 sec is a long time tbh

[blazing carbon]

Yeah but like, 3/4 of the classes can straight up walk out of it tho

[nocturne radish]

True yeah then u can prob play a diff lego if u fight something like hunter

[blazing carbon]

Which one would you recommend?

[nocturne radish]

Enduring for damage Or mishapen if u wanna prevent your healer from sitting traps against hunter for example

[blazing carbon]

Thanks

Kinda stuck at 1k8, tried venthyr, tried kyrian, now gonna try necro (2s) 😂

[nocturne radish]

yeah it happens for nerco u can go enduring and mishapen for most of the games

nerco is so fun in 2s

[tough compass]

Sephuz for Rogue/mage

[blazing carbon]

Is it?

[tough compass]

or dot caster

[nocturne radish]

Yeah sometimes u can win in opener with nerco banner + avatar and warbreak

if they dont press any cds they will usally die

[blazing carbon]

How is it useful for warrs, it's just mastery O.o

[nocturne radish]

Yeah it is but u can use a conduit where it increases your strength, Depends on ilevel but min conduit is 12% and max is like 24% and you just hit rly hard with the ton of mast u get cuz 400 is allot so you do a ton of more dam to them with deepwounds combine that with +avatar and warbreak too

[tough compass]

mastery = flat dmg, 20% str form max conduit

and you cant be slowed

[nocturne radish]

yeah

[tough compass]

which menas uptime

[blazing carbon]

Sounds super cool

Where do we drop the upgrade of the conduit?

[tough compass]

and you get kevin

which increaes your dmg by 6%

aswell

I farmed mine in korthia

tbh

[buoyant chasm]

Is venthyr still good?

[tough compass]

Venthyr is okay in 2s

[nocturne radish]

yeh in 2s its not bad

[buoyant chasm]

Didn’t play since 5m

[nocturne radish]

ooo

[blazing carbon]

I honestly thought it sucked balls in 2s

[nocturne radish]

nah venth is good in 2s, I think kyrian a little more over the top of venth tbh

[eternal berry]

vs

which one's better for pvp?

mikanikos btw

[pastel garden]

Crash the ramparts.

[eternal berry]

ty:)

is pelagos better than mikanikos tho?

[pastel garden]

Both work, but I like mikanikos for the stun, most do.

[eternal berry]

maybe pelagos vs heavy cc?

or just play with mikanikos all the time

?

[thick reef]

mik is super nice yeh i used that to 2.1 i used to use pealgos but mik has so much

[eternal berry]

cool ill just stick with mik then, thanks guys:)

[thick reef]

np 🙂 mik is fun i love when bron procs cuz its free healing!

[crisp jewel]

Condemn also has a nice absorb shield against your current target

It adds up, just something extra. Door of shadows kinda sucks. Every other covenant has such a good secondary ability

Ive thought they should add more soulbinds/conduit for door of shadows to make it worthwhile. It's not completely useless, but it definitely is the worst out of all the covenants

[woven mural]

death sentence makes the cov decent

[nocturne radish]

isnt nf worse? or nah

[sharp meteor]

Greetings.

Uh, probably. The slam hits super hard, and the knockdown is decent if you can keep them in it, like with rdruid vortex or abom limb.

You also have execute, which got buffed rather bigly.

[nocturne radish]

thats true yea

doesnt it remind u a bit of the monk one, faeline stomp its just the monk one is meh compared to the aftershock

animations are sim between the 2

[sharp meteor]

yeah

[wicked magnet]

is there something wrong with the unchained equipment chest? i am getting way too many trinkets

i mean i know theres a lot of trinkets but 5 out of 7 have been trinkets -_-

[blazing carbon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/qqwv2d/how_to_balance_warriors/ I chuckled really hard

[blazing carbon]

It's called gambling

[wicked magnet]

well theres 34 possible rewards right? and only 6 of them are trinkets so thats what.... 17% chance to get a trinket?

i could be that unlucky but i feel like they have an increased chance to drop a trinket

[shy aurora]

I got full gear on my DH alt with just 2 same items 😂

[wicked magnet]

weapon too? xD

[shy aurora]

Yes xd

Not all head had correctly stats tho

[wicked magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-tantrum-gif-3820080

[sharp meteor]

Feels so nice that otherwise wasted conq can go towards loot crates for alts

[elfin valve]

its amazing but then i immediately feel the honor grind pain multiply xD

[elder wigeon]

Warrior is definitely in an awkward spot in terms of balance

You could probably nerf defensive stance to 15% and reduce damage done by 25%

Problem is, as a warrior jungles and rmx are just going to use and abuse you

I wouldn’t feel bad about d stance becoming baseline at 10% dr and -10% damage done if they gave us wall back and maybe got rid of the dbts conduit for arms

[warped warren]

if they nerfes dstance, youd be kt every game regardless of matchup and dead every go

[elder wigeon]

yeah you don't really have a lot of options to save yourself

i mean you do, it's just, they're also used to save teammates usually or used to peel otherwise, like fear and rally

[severe wigeon]

Does anybody have a nice WA for tracking enduring blow procs please?

I can't find one on wago 😦

[wary harbor]

just track CS debuff on the target, no need to track the proc

[old trail]

Anyone have a weakaura to track overpower stacks?

[sharp meteor]

anybody got a weakaura that makes me good at warr

also dstance isn't the issue with warr he's just some seething sub rogue whose scuffed go didn't work like it would've on something like havoc

[wheat jay]

WRONG

You'd survive one go with trinket+parry

[sharp meteor]

like parry cd, ignore pain, duel cd, disarm cd and people look at dstance like cmon

[barren crane]

if playing necro is there a winner between battlelord and enduring? or just preference?

[sharp meteor]

hey i just realized necro banner stacks

what's arms/arms/healer called again

[lucid walrus]

lumberjack

[minor vector]

Man Cleave alternatively

[graceful quarry]

talent into cleave and you have Cleave Cleave

[minor vector]

Triple necro arms w/ unhinged

Raw power

[thick reef]

I dont know but if u find one out hit me up bro 😛

[jaunty furnace]

Wtf are all these arena groups with the title “indice” in them

[sharp meteor]

Spanish default options for people without authenticator, I guess?

Like pushing rating or just grinding conquest

[jaunty furnace]

Yeah LFG is wild now, some weird titles and just saw you can add a goal

Like “earn conquest” learning or increase rating. And that shows up under the title

and you can add a min pvp rating now

So people can’t Que up without that

[sterile bane]

Most of you are arms in here?

I’m looking for a alt to mainly play pvp with

Arms just seems to wreck house in pvp from some stuff I seen while looking around on internet

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, arms is definitely the preferred warrior pvp spec.

[thick reef]

^^

[elder wigeon]

arms is by far the best, fury is okay, there's just zero reason competitively to play it

[sterile bane]

I’m looking to make an alt

Trying to decide which class to play as my alt mainly pvp focused

[elder wigeon]

fury is much better in 2's than in 3's simply because you die in stuns and fury has no d-stance and fury lives off of self-healing

[sterile bane]

So why about arms?

They have the ability to switch to a tankier stance?

[sharp meteor]

Yes, along with more utility.

[sterile bane]

I’ve played wow since wotlk

Just never touched rouge warlock and warrior

So is it more similar to a paladin?

Like a lot of freedom things stuns self heals and such?

Plus the defensive stance?

[sharp meteor]

it's just

warrior

[sterile bane]

Sorry YouTube videos kinda just assume you know 80% of the class and don’t go over the basics and stuff

Just don’t wanna level an alt to 80 and realize I don’t like it

60**

[sharp meteor]

you're an angry durable guy with no self healing that hits people with a stick

[sterile bane]

Lol

[sharp meteor]

and makes people trying to kill you and your teammates sad

[sterile bane]

So arms warrior is tanky hits hard and can’t really heal?

Sounds like my preference in pvp

I wanna make it a quick fight not those long drawn out things

[lucid walrus]

i mean you can just not press defensives if you want things over quickly

very durable class w/ constant damage means you can get one of those goofy 30k executes to end games soonish but i wouldn't count on it

[sterile bane]

Alright maybe I’ll play my shaman some more and see what classes I’m having a hard time against

I know rouges are beast pvp wise but I just cba with a rouge

I’m not good at being sneaky

[elfin valve]

fwiw I play ret/mage 2s and we always are relieved when it’s fury and not arms. I think we’ve maybe beat arms/healer once. sadge.

[sterile bane]

sweet sounds good 😄

[next zodiac]

returning player, is it efficient to lvl 50-60 in bgs and will it help me gear quicker at 60?

and any recommendations on how best to gear up at 60?

[pale minnow]

How about you make yourself a favor and play without the dbts conduit? If you find it so easy you could also try to play without conduits. U know... just like good ol' bfa days 3 min dbts, warrior deserves it's glorios place rn, last exp we were b tier next with palas being dogs of the game, being dominated by worms like dh. Even now warrior can be countered pretty well by good players, cc's/ roots/ disarms/ kiting well will obtain on warrior being useless. Only low players crying about warrior being brokken because they don't know how to react to everything a warrior is doing...

[elder wigeon]

playing without the dbts conduit is really bad, I found myself just dying on my alt simply because I didn't have a defensive answer every <90 seconds

[lucid walrus]

god i love trolling myself & my team

[pale minnow]

Starts to be caster meta again , walk simulator with the warlocks casting 50k d bolts and melting u with dots, and every game is a priest

[elder wigeon]

Yeah it's slowly turning into a more caster heavy meta, seeing a lot of them

moonkins are actually insanely annoying

[pale minnow]

Statistics say warriors are the most played class atm, wich i doubt heavyly ,cuz every single game there is a priest dps or healer. Druids again everywhere, these statistics of wowhead seems to be VERY outdated, melle falled down frost dk's are on bottom encha dropped with them as well, i don't see warriors anymore like i did before at season start

[elder wigeon]

i mean warriors are the most popular pretty much every season ever since the dawn of time

and there's been many seasons where warrior is average or even kinda trash

[next zodiac]

how does warrior's historical performance compare with rogue/priest?

[pale minnow]

I see every 4th-5th game a warrior playing with a sp or ret, yet i see bunch of jungle, sp combos with locks and balance cunts

[elder wigeon]

rogue has probably had a few more seasons of complete dominance over the ~30 seasons we've had so far

[pale minnow]

Rogues were always dominant

[elder wigeon]

I consider it to be a rogue dominant season if there's more comps available than RMX to them

but yes RMX is always good

[pale minnow]

Yep always since the tbc

[elder wigeon]

RPS is insanely good right now, Thug is also very good

rouges are very strong currently

[pale minnow]

Getting sick already of casters

[elder wigeon]

I don't hate casters I just hate the current experience/design

where it's all about control and making it unfun

[pale minnow]

Walk simulator, cancel simulator

[elder wigeon]

spending the whole game CC'ed and rp walking away from the pillar isn't a good experience

[pale minnow]

Yep, not fun and also makes warrior not perform well basically i'm certain it's not s tier anymore

Everyone can escape spear, necro shield nerfed and of course nothing to catch the enemy with only cc's

[elder wigeon]

I'm really not a fan of deathbolt's design right now either

[pale minnow]

Check this out

[elder wigeon]

make it 35% not 50% and make it a 1 second cast that doesn't scale with haste and make it uninterruptable

I feel like that's fair and keeps it from genuinely hitting you for 40K in .2 seconds

[pale minnow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905489197371097141/906702817400606760/unknown.png

[elder wigeon]

yup

[pale minnow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905489197371097141/905489209161289818/unknown.png

And they don't crit🤡

[elder wigeon]

yeah, you have to kick soul rot

if you can't just run and pillar

soul rot gives them a lot of damage for the deathbolt 1 shot

[pale minnow]

Ye do this while you get spammed with spriest torrent no dr fear

[elder wigeon]

idk man just giving you a solution that can help

if played perfectly I think rdruid shadowplay is the best comp in the game right now

[pale minnow]

Dw my man i know, it's just situations they can make dor the team inevitable

[elder wigeon]

genuinely unbeatable

or MLD

specifically frost mage MLD

[pale minnow]

Guess what we met

Prot+ dh + rshamman

[elder wigeon]

yeah that's hard

[pale minnow]

Necro dh

Check this out

[elder wigeon]

necro dh damage is inflated by their glave toss dmg on to the fodder

[pale minnow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905489197371097141/907755410004541470/unknown.png

XD

Cute huh?

[elder wigeon]

yeah he's not hitting any one of you for 87K

[pale minnow]

Ye but he hits 2 or 3 of us

Glaive crit

Our hp dropped up and down non stop

We fought them for idk 8 min?

Basically cross ccing and the fuck rshamman never died

2300 cr r1 comes down to clown with degen comps like balance, protpala, discpriest

Queen + da + convoke 0,2 sec our healer vanished

React to that xd

My man screamed rally and he died before he even said it 🤣

[wicked bison]

are enhance shammies and fdk really good now?

[pale minnow]

Not above duelist

[elder wigeon]

they're fine, not meta defining

[warped warren]

prob not if sacced at 15%

[sharp meteor]

fdk is good/fine

enh is good with terbs, maybe ww

[wicked magnet]

Man horde have a lot more listings but I can't find people to spam games for conq/honor they are fucking nuts, lose a few games and they quit...like dude we have 41k hp and are at 2k mmr what do they expect? I mean am I missing something here? It don't matter if we win lose win lose win or win win win win win lose lose lose win lose etc. If we just playing for points it makes no difference right?

[sharp meteor]

ya idk people are weird

group says chill conq wins and they spaz out and leave after a loss

[wicked magnet]

Exactly

[pale minnow]

Probably pve players

They got this leave after 1 wipe mentality, throw them back to pve, lil beta boys

[sharp meteor]

like you win and get points or lose and are now getting easier games for faaster points

smh

[pale minnow]

Whatever u enjoy better

Higher cr people know how to ditch your spear

[elder wigeon]

man it's actually so cringe how much better rdruids are now in 2's that they have bubble tranq

[pale minnow]

Aids

[elder wigeon]

i play against nothing but rdruids on z axis maps and we just lose because i have rsham

[pale minnow]

Disgusting man, seriosly that shit saved so many times their game i can't even count it anymore

[pale minnow]

U know what would be cool? Shattering it if it would work of course

Actually gonna try it out maybe it works

[elder wigeon]

it doesn't work

it's not like pally bubble, it's aspect of the turtle

it's unstoppable

[fathom saddle]

nah you can ring of peace it, silence it, moonkin can beam it etc

[elder wigeon]

nothing I can do as a warrior

[fathom saddle]

nope but nothing i can do against a bubble as "lets say with monk" we can as warr, its not too bad, thorns is f.ckd now so most ppl play the "bubble" as resto

[warped warren]

warstomp it

[elder wigeon]

time to go tauren pog

[graceful quarry]

just preshatter the bubble

[shy aurora]

So feral healing is still fucking retarded good?

[wheat jay]

Bro I sac at 30% hello

[warped warren]

/roll 3

[graceful quarry]

just sac at 90% instead

[wheat jay]

I often do

[elder wigeon]

you can't shatter it

[graceful quarry]

yes you can shatter bubble

[modern geyser]

Ye but they talk about tranq immune which is not a bubble

[elder wigeon]

tranq bubble is like aspect of the turtle

[blazing carbon]

Does the war banner has a limited range, or is it like, global range?

[pastel quartz]

think on tooltip says 20 or 30 yards

[blazing carbon]

There's no range on the tooltip

Brandish the Conqueror's Banner, granting 400 Mastery and 30% increased movement speed to you and your 2 nearest allies, and preventing movement speed from being reduced below 100%. Lasts 15 sec.
😂

[pastel quartz]

ah tought you ment the pvp talent called war banner

not the necro ability

You throw down a war banner at your feet, rallying your allies.

Increases movement speed by 30% and reduces the duration of all incoming crowd control effects by 50% to all allies within 30 yards of the war banner. Lasts 15 sec

tought you ment this banner

[blazing carbon]

Oooh, yeah yeah no I meant the necrolord one,s orry 😂

[elfin valve]

unkillable 1v1

[nocturne radish]

yea enhanz ww is good kinda like turbo but less durable

[blazing carbon]

Necrolord banner IS SO fun 😂

Just one shotting Necrolord DKs easily

[blazing carbon]

THAT BANNER IS SO FUCKING GOOD

😂

Did 9 arenas, won 8 arenas

Rogue mage was the only loss

lmao

[pastel garden]

What mmr are you talking about?

[shy aurora]

Is torghast the best way to farm renown?

[warped warren]

yooooooo

wicked

[blazing carbon]

1k8

[elfin surge]

i think the necro banner is 20yrds.

[elfin surge]

they can solo heal an arms warrior in 2s. So yea, seems pretty good.

[dry trail]

What's a good caster for 3s with warri ? warlock sp ?

bored of melee cleaves

[elfin surge]

sp war

[sharp meteor]

necro sp feels rly good

[nocturne radish]

nerco sp yeah very tanky

[nocturne radish]

yooo pog bro glad nerco working out for you

[sharp meteor]

yeah dks in shambles vs warrs outside chains and running, or defensively sleeting

swat their faces off with 20k swings that they can't even try to ds through because you disarmed them

[nocturne radish]

yeahhh lol

[shy aurora]

What stats do kyrian prefer?

[pastel garden]

Crit.

[shy aurora]

Ok

[sharp meteor]

uh I think people mostly kind of agree that haste good for enduring, crit good for long spear

there's also just running a mix because both stats gud

[wet scarab]

I'm about to switch from Kyrian purely because the spear has become a peel tool with all the ways out of it for goes

[sharp meteor]

ya i send it into retwarr and wwwarr to keep my poor shaman alive

[wet scarab]

the only thing keeping me in it is that it's also good for tanking mythics

[wet scarab]

lol exactly

I was doing 3s with a mage and rdruid as kyrian yesterday, and really felt the absence of the banner burst. We were fighting a mage, WW, disc priest team, and I did double the mage's damage, but just couldn't land a killing blow on an OOM priest

I'm sure it was me being bad but

spear kept the mage alive through multiple goes by trapping the ww, but got a really bad RNG streak with the damage

[sharp meteor]

Which dragon do you think it'll be next season

[nocturne radish]

GREEN

[spice hornet]

man being a non-orc is awful

kidney shot literaly feels like an eternity

[spice hornet]

i hope its the green or red looking one

[buoyant shale]

is the on use crit trink better or should i go the haste proc trinket? im playing necro and going a haste build

was thinking the on use because i can line it up with cd's

[shy aurora]

I use on use

[buoyant shale]

ok, i was looking at some other warrior and it seemed to varry

[sharp meteor]

I think it varies based on what you're playing and what you're playing into

you can't really go horribly wrong with either tho

imo insignia synergizes better with haste necro

[buoyant shale]

ok

[sharp meteor]

if you want reliably bigger go like when smurfing then i like badge

or when playing kyrian wiith big spear as it aligns with each

[buoyant shale]

appreciate it

im currently playing kitty cleave

giving it a shot

[simple rock]

I guess dmf dancing minigame > pvp

according to their latest dev preview

[sharp meteor]

we're in shambles

curious to see the pvp set bonuses

[frank knoll]

Happy Veterans Day

[formal creek]

man why is there honor to upgrade gear and not to mention at an increasing rate per rank? i wanted to buy haste gear to try necro but fuck me dead if i can farm that gazilion honor

[scarlet barn]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/equip-two-legendaries-at-a-time-in-patch-9-2-account-wide-unlock-from-new-zone-324847

[sharp meteor]

TWO LEGGOS LETS GOO

[blazing carbon]

This...

Is going to be stupid

._.

[simple rock]

enduring + battlelord

[blazing carbon]

Mages: triple barrier + combustion 20% damage buff

[sharp meteor]

enduring battlelord hit me with it

[nocturne radish]

LETS GOOOOOO boys we maybe seeing 40%+ up time on warbreak debuff per game if we train targets? poggg

[fierce elm]

We are already seeing 40%+ uptime on it

[nocturne radish]

ahhhh

[scarlet sorrel]

dreams shattered

no battlelord and enduring 😦

[sharp meteor]

oh god if it's cov and non-cov then i guess it'll be kyrian all the way

necrobros not like this

[wet scarab]

Honestly this seems like it would benefit venthyr more

[scarlet sorrel]

yea

I was just reading this. Venthyr gets a lot from this

Surge + Enduring is going to be good

[wet scarab]

Yup

Man every priest will have that res leggo now

Solo queue !

[scarlet sorrel]

its a brawl solo queue.... so remains to be seen

like warmane has good solo queue for a private server

why cant we have something just like that...

who cares that sometimes you get potato comps

[wet scarab]

Ah

Yeah agreed

I mean with 2 Leggos it’s all going to be batshit crazy anyway

[wicked bison]

well ones your cove leggo

which ones are even good

spear+?\

[wet scarab]

Well most were never good by themselves

[wicked bison]

the voke one is

[wet scarab]

But there are nice synergies

[wicked bison]

for ferals / boomies

[wet scarab]

Sinful surge and enduring will have insane colossus smash uptime

But ss wasn’t worth it by itself

[wicked bison]

my ret pally plays the necrolord one

pair that with final verdict leggo

[wet scarab]

There you go

MM hunters are going to be ridiculous

Spear and unhinged will be pretty cool in bgs

[mint tinsel]

Why would mm be ridiculous? The kyrian leggo is just 10% crit chance for allies I think unless they go venthyr for the bleed damage leggo

[exotic bolt]

Should I go necro unhinged in 3s?

Or run painbringer waist

Or the execute mortal strike damage

[scarlet barn]

Mirror/EB

Or battlelord

[exotic bolt]

Eb even if it doesn’t have vers?

[frail light]

Can arms be played with mastery vers gear?

[lucid walrus]

could be

you're still playing warrior

[shy aurora]

what is the best items to upgrade after weapon? chest,shoulders,leggs and head or trinket first?

like i use on use trinket

[sharp meteor]

i mean bigger pieces are bigger upgrades but cost more

so really just upgrade whatever

[wet scarab]

Did any of you guys switch from alliance to horde or play both? Did you notice a big difference in LFG and the culture at all?

[sharp meteor]

idk what culture is but everybody i know who has tried to pug on alliance eventually caved and xferred because ded

[fierce elm]

yes and yes

Alliance is infinitely worse than horde when it comes to pugging anything

[wet scarab]

Yeah I’m thinking of switching because alliance pugs are basically assholes and there aren’t that many of them either

A smaller pool of asshole if you will

The little horde pugging I’ve done has been generally more pleasant

Guild died etc in the great content stagflation of 2021

[wet scarab]

Elder antlers and feign death will be upsetting

[wheat jay]

100% Hunters will be venthyr

That dot leggo is crazy good

[mint tinsel]

It definitely could be annoying for sure especially if he’s running with Rdruid and they ursols you in there but razer pouch leggo with craven is gonna be bis j assume

[wheat jay]

It will

No other leggo comvination for Hunter will be as good as that in 3s

[mint tinsel]

Although I haven’t tried necro with the legendary but explosive shot is big damage so if it procs explosive on every hit easy clap

[wheat jay]

Iirc it procs explosive 2 times

So i doubt it will be good

Especially in 3s

And 2s who cares lmao

[mint tinsel]

So it procs it twice and you can do another one on your own. It’s 10k if one crits at my current ilvl. It could still be decent damage but venthyr just makes them bleed for 60% of the kill shot.

[wheat jay]

Venthyr will be superior also mm still kinda meme compared to bm and survi

[mint tinsel]

Yeah I assume but mm is actually kind of fun. BM is just hi my pets kill you now. No I don’t care that you popped a defensive.

[sharp meteor]

wym pets lol it's all cobra kill and barbed especially in 9.2 with venth leggo

can literally just put your pets on passive and it's fine

[wheat jay]

Killshot hits more as survi

[lilac igloo]

Yo guys are you supposed to be disarmed by monks if you face them and press parry ? I used to it to not get disarmed and it still happened, doesn't it work like warrior's one ?

[dry trail]

i see so many necrolord warriors what's up with that

what leggo they go for enduring blow ?

[mint tinsel]

I think the monk probably waited to disarm after the parry. And I think they do go enduring

[wheat jay]

Monk disarm is ranged

You dont parry ranged attacks

You can only bladestorm it

Or trinket

[lilac igloo]

okok ty 😦

[mint tinsel]

It has a travel time though correct?

[simple rock]

yeah, like stormbolt

you can react if you're a gamer

[sharp meteor]

Idk people realized that Necro is good or something

Also yeah Monk disarm goes through parry because it's like storm bolt

[lilac igloo]

made me very sadge wanted to be a gamer and pre parry disarm 🥲

[sharp meteor]

can pre bladestorm it which is neat

[frank knoll]

Druids are gonna be immortal

2 leggys

[sharp meteor]

bm gonna be able to run pouch and craven

what a funny season it will be

[frank knoll]

Yeah that’s the plan haha

Elysian might + leaper, be unkitable

[sharp meteor]

leaper sounds like a bit of a meme

[elder wigeon]

did they announce 2 legendaries?

[frank knoll]

Rets gonna have the Prot leggo + FV

That should be fun

[sharp meteor]

Yes, although I think that it was said (translated) that it'd be the covenant legendary plus another, non-covenant legendary.

So the battlelord enduring blows dream may be dead

[elder wigeon]

jesus christ

I'll be running a lot of EM + unhinged honestly

[sharp meteor]

aaaahhhhhhh

[fierce elm]

Cant wait for every warr to be kyrian again

because Necro leggo is so useless

[sharp meteor]

yeah I could see a swing back tokyrian and maybe even venth

because uwu extensions

and nf one seems completely meme

[fierce elm]

EM+EB, EM+UNHINGED

[sharp meteor]

YEP

[fierce elm]

sucks

they literally just said fuck it

[sharp meteor]

spear feels jank

but whatever

[wet scarab]

EM plus unhinged will be poggers in rbgs

[scarlet barn]

©Copyright

[wet scarab]

Can totally see a venthyr comeback too

Having EB and SS will solve a lot of the issues of condemn not hitting hard enough

[exotic bolt]

Well for now it’s still necro lord right?

[sharp meteor]

necro and kyrian are both excellent

idk why perception only just recently shifted that necro is good lol i think that it got nerfed harder than kyrian

[wet scarab]

I think it’s because spear feels more gimmicky than it did at the start of the patch once everyone figured out how to counter it

It’s no longer an offensive skill so much and so feels worse to use

[fierce elm]

Its because Ret warr rose in popularity

And people figured out that we can be other things than just kyrian with success

[sharp meteor]

like did all the mud montages make people realize that conq banner is like wings and not just a buff for teammates

[fierce elm]

yes

mud, smexxin and shit just popularized it

[sharp meteor]

because settin up my necro warr last season I'd just randomly kill so many people because they just didn't press anything

[fierce elm]

Also didnt help that Necro soulbind is crazy

[wet scarab]

Speaking of paladins I wonder if double leggo is going to make prot insufferable in arenas

[fierce elm]

Nf prot will be aids

[wet scarab]

ugh

[fierce elm]

Ret paladin will be slightly aids

[wet scarab]

because of what combo?

[fierce elm]

Kyrian leggo is okay

But honestly warrior comes out pretty high up on this 2 leggo restriction

being able to run EM 24/7 while swapping mirror sephuz eb

[wet scarab]

yeah lots of really good potential kyrian combos

hadn't even thought of mirror

warlocks will be even squishier

[fierce elm]

Feral will probs be NF

[wet scarab]

their necro leggo is one of the first isn't it

worst

[fierce elm]

yup

[pastel garden]

NF leggo+Natural order can be fun for feral.

[dawn hill]

Should I take the crit/Vers PvP weapon or the mastery/Vers?

Online it says mastery one but I wasn’t sure that was updated

[sharp meteor]

they just added the crit sword lol

[dawn hill]

Oooo ok, so clearly that then lol

[old trail]

Is fury even viable in pvp or is arms the way to go?

[elder wigeon]

fury is "viable"

but more so in 2v2 than 3v3

[sharp meteor]

depends on your definition of viable

I think that the spec has potential but arms just seems better rn

[elder wigeon]

I've seen a fury warrior at 2400 and have lost to it both times, deep damp, the damage is just too much

fury has so much sustain and damage

[sharp meteor]

oh i wonder if hm the heal talent

impending