pvp

[exotic bolt]

is em still good with the 10% crit nerf?

[elder wigeon]

Yes

[simple rock]

it could be 0% increased crit and it'd still be good

[tawny musk]

best soulbind for necro?

[sharp meteor]

Marileth

[wicked bison]

i gotta do so many comp stomps

its gonna be a boring week

[gloomy warren]

hey warriors, what your go to combo when everything is off cd, opener, and finisher, venthyr btw, if that makes a big diff. i find my overall dmg is a bit light so its either my combo is bad or im not tracking defensives well and im dpsing into defensives. Well, thats my guess anyway, new ish to wow pvp.

like i usually over power x2, sharpen, MS, buff into condemn 9(buff being warbreaker, avatar, blood fury) and storm bolt their important defensives somewhere n the middle of that, hamstring too if i can.

[sharp meteor]

get on target, ideally without charging, get hamstring/piercing up, mortal strike, get some overpowers out, then ideally get cc out, either a fear on the healer or bolt the dps as your healer goes for cc, then warbreaker, avatar, conq/spear into your bolted target followed by your proc execute into empowered mortal strike

bladestorm to dodge cc/disarm etc

don't send dam without cc/mobility

[gloomy warren]

thanks, thats helpful, is venthyr much weaker than the other two, gonna grind out necro soon

[wicked bison]

if your gonna do that its a good week im up to 56 necro just today doing comp stomp

[sharp meteor]

Idk I haven't queued as venth since last season

Seems okay in 3s and fine in 2s from the few people I have queued into

[gloomy warren]

where in that "rotation" would you place conq banner?

after avatar before warbreaker i imagine?

[sharp meteor]

ideally before warbreaker

avatar right before a big hit lands but try to

remember it's good for breaking roots

[gloomy warren]

shoot, youre right, i almost always forget it for that

[shrewd matrix]

Hello all, is arms warrior still the go to in pvp?

[sharp meteor]

Absolutely.

[shrewd matrix]

Saweet Thank you @sharp meteor

[fading estuary]

enduring blow on helm/waist as necro does it matter?

[mystic barn]

has anyone here passed the turing test

[elder wigeon]

👀

[warped warren]

head

theres no haste head in the shop

[worldly quest]

You want some crit but its mainly vers>haste

[warped warren]

you want straight haste

on all pieces you can get it on

[tough compass]

Any Warr can confirm that you cant big Shatter Necro shields anymore? My Max. Hits were like 7k yday as if the 1000% absorb dmg was missing

[wicked magnet]

uh are you guys disconnecting and going back in time over and over?

or is it just my particular wow server

[wicked magnet]

with demolition? yesterday i did one for 23k

[tough compass]

Ye With Demolition but on Fleshcraft shields only. On other absorb like Cocoon or Death Pact it was working

[fickle forge]

Man feels good that we theorycrafted that bug ngl

[scarlet barn]

I was proud tribute

https://tenor.com/view/hunger-games-katniss-everdeen-jennifer-lawrence-volunteer-tribute-gif-4254905

[tough compass]

I can later do some Checks and screenshots when Im at Home

[worldly quest]

@thick reef I’m personally aiming for 15% haste and at least 15% crit as necro. Currently I’m venthyr and I’m running 21% crit and still 8% haste at 239 PvP ilvl so I think those numbers are very doable

[scarlet barn]

Why aim

[full quiver]

Stats don't matter. You're playing arms war

[quasi lotus]

because fleshcraft value is a lot smaller

the bug involved big shields = bigger dam

[robust shore]

Hey guys, im playing Arms/Ret/Disc. We have a lot of trouble into SP/Arms/X. Normally, I bolt the healer and ret HoJs the priest and we tryu to stay priest the whole game but cant reliably kill anything in this comp. Is there a better way we should be trying to play this?

[tough compass]

@robust shore try to desnych your bursts to rotate faster through their defs.

[robust shore]

hmm thats something we didnt try might give that a go

we ofc used wings banner avatar etc all in opener to get disperse or trinket fade etc then we just get slammed by then and get so behind due to their pressure

[tough compass]

Well he needs to press defs Even if its just one of you bursting. But instead of you both getting countered by that 1 def you might force a second def by waiting a bit longer

[sharp meteor]

So it's a 50% ms

ideally be bursting during that point

and have the target be receiving healing

also be mindful that ms doesn't reapply wounds until sharpen has fallen off

[tough compass]

@thick reef I use it when I start to burst to give a rea big MS with 2x Overpowerstacks on top

[torn island]

How do you line ur burst as necro war? First go u press avatar+banner+warbreaker and next banner u synnc with avatar and wb againnor wb itself is enough?

[sharp meteor]

ideally have some rage first, slows out, mortal strike up, bolt available, charge/leap/bs up etc wanna avoid getting peeled during your dam

[onyx cedar]

best stats for pvp? 1 versa 2 crit?

arms

[sharp meteor]

Vers > Crit/Haste > Mastery

[onyx cedar]

is fury better in pvp in 9.1.5? i know its better for pve but what about pvp

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

Fury is okay. It's not unplayable or anything.

It's just that Arms is so much better.

[scarlet barn]

no

[lone ridge]

its really worth to be necrolord as arms in pvp?

[simple rock]

yes, top 2 covenant alongside kyrian atm

[tawny musk]

Better thn venthyr in 2s?

[sharp meteor]

Necro feels better in 2s to me but I haven't queued into a good hunter yet

Or rather a good hunter/rdruid

[novel basalt]

Hey anyone 2100+? Im about to upgrade my trinkets to duelist, is maledict still worth it? I feel like Its super inconsistent. Maybe its worth upgrading stg trinket?

[sharp meteor]

Feels kind of awkward on warrior.

Like, matchup specific thing. Doesn't hurt to have fully upgraded but wouldn't prioritize it.

[dry trail]

anyone has an addon or weak aura that shows the icon of healer or tank in pvp scenario ?

cause my plater mod just stoped working

on nameplate*

[dark leaf]

Why is our worst Cov the most fun? (Night Fae) 😦

[simple rock]

arms is op, you could probably get glad as night fae if you wanted

[elder wigeon]

you absolutely can

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, NF is more than fine for glad.

I've only queued into maybe like two though.

The big pixie slam hurts and it's spooky if they have an rdruid and/or fdk because they can keep you locked in the knockdown for a bit

[simple rock]

I was gonna swap to necro when I start queueing 3s again

should I send it and go night fae ??

[dark leaf]

Night Fae unless your Gaey

[thick reef]

yea bahjerra was nf in s1

he hit glad ez with turbo too

[sharp meteor]

honestly warr would be fine without any cov abilities it'd just be the lack of conduits that'd sting

[thick reef]

yeah for sure

[dark leaf]

Problem is getting someone to play with a NF Warr 😦

BrO wHy DiDnT yOu KyR sPeAr hIm??!

[sharp meteor]

idk why people are so close minded

[lucid walrus]

too competitive

[sharp meteor]

I remember people thinking venth was troll early last seaosn

and that necro was only good in 3s with a warr this season

[simple rock]

maybe that'll give me motivation to play

push night fae high as I can

[sharp meteor]

yeah I played venth last season, kyrian this season, and was going to mess around more with necro next

might try nf as it's the last one and this season will be 4-5 more months

[wet scarab]

Is anyone finding resto druids a lot squishier than before? They rarely needed peeling in 2s before but my partners and the restos I’m playing against seem to be dying a lot faster

[sharp meteor]

fleshie nerf

druid players boutta get hella exposed

just like me when they nerf ignore pain

[simple rock]

now you can actually do something 1st go in 2s

vs rdruid

[wet scarab]

Ah yes that makes sense

Ok so it’s not just me

[sharp meteor]

so I think you can get a big flesh by waiting for the gates to open then bear into flesh

[wet scarab]

Games lasting so much longer than they used to with them and aren’t half as frustrating

[sharp meteor]

flesh is nerfed AND capped in starting area now, right

so no more 50k+ shield to start each game with

[wet scarab]

Ah that’s really nice, for the first time in a long time I feel most games are pretty competitive regardless of comp

I usually hover around 1800-50 but went up to 1900 for the first time yesterday

Every comp had a ret paladin and half of them were rdruids

I only realised they might have been nerfed after accidentally killing one with one of those lucky rngs of two MS with a crit followed by a crit execute. Druids usually survive them

[sharp meteor]

Druids have been susceptible to swaps it's just that decent ones usually space in such a way that you don't really have access to them

Or if you do it's a big commit

Curious to see how changes affected things, reduced necro durability is pretty neat

[wet scarab]

Yeah 100%, it was a swap that I wasn’t really expecting to kill him in

He was otherwise very good with the chain cc while they went after my healer

The most annoying comp I’ve played since the patch actually has been a paladin frost mage comp

Didn’t know it was a thing, but I was having immense trouble connecting at all

Hpal that is

[pastel garden]

Frost mages got buffs ye. Was the damage noticeable?

[sharp meteor]

Their dmg isn't really their issue

It's more the profile in the current meta and inability to setup for their own polymorphs

Like arcane has invis cheese where you can't see it, or fire has db>sheep

[wet scarab]

The damage was decent but funnelled in narrow windows

[sharp meteor]

Frost already seems fine if you're content with playing long games and just pveing people

[wet scarab]

I just couldn’t get to either of them for long stretches of the match and it lasted forever

[simple rock]

if you like being cringe play frost/destro/rdruid

[wet scarab]

Heh

[sharp meteor]

like frost/shadow or frost/demo would be super annoying

[wet scarab]

It was by far the most frustrating match I played and that includes every BM comp

[simple rock]

most tilting match I ever played was vs vanguards smexxin in 2s

aff lock ret

impossible to connect

[sharp meteor]

i queued into the team that had a 98% wr at #1 2s

[simple rock]

but my rdruid had to make it happen for me I guess

[sharp meteor]

frost mage plus rdruid as a ret was actually impossible

as anything other than maybe aff actually

[wet scarab]

You know for all the hate rdruids get, I find mistweavers vastly more annoying to play against

Why does a healer have a disarm

[sharp meteor]

tilting thing about monk disarm is that it goes through and removes your parry lmao

honestly though mistweaver could get its kick back

[simple rock]

it's much harder to connect and pressure a good mw compared to druid as wqrr

warr

mainly cuz they can just revival spear

but if you catch them with cds it's usually gg

[wet scarab]

I don’t have a ton of sympathy for MW because they seem to be doing really well in pve

What is even the point of enh shamans at the moment though

[sharp meteor]

mw isn't exactly remarkable

might be in a better spot this patch tho we'll see

[lucid walrus]

yeah it’s not great in any pve tbh

[sharp meteor]

historically they're pretty bad in pve, no?

[lucid walrus]

to my knowledge yeah

[sharp meteor]

don't really have a dungeon kit, or good raid cds

it's just an aoe dispel which kills you because dispels need to be spaced out a lot of the time and cocoon is obviously useless

poor monks

[wet scarab]

Heh

I think they’re A+ tier in SoD rankings

[lucid walrus]

was so funny to me that revival was basically a teamkill against lock or sp

[sharp meteor]

yes every mw has done that once in a bg

[scarlet barn]

not true

[sharp meteor]

hmm could've sworn it was generally disc rsham hpal

[wet scarab]

It is, but MW is on par with rsham and hpal

[sharp meteor]

mw is not on par with rsham

might be better than hpal but perception kind of skewed because hpal has no mana and mw is often playing wonky/bad comps where they're susceptibple to being harassed as opposed if they queued with wizards

[wet scarab]

Sorry I meant in raids

[sharp meteor]

oh right

[wet scarab]

I read a while back here that disc priests aren’t ideal alongside warriors but I gotta say I’m finding it much easier to climb rating with them than resto shamans or druids

[tender quiver]

Anyone playing Necro out there? I've heard as Necro many different legendaries are open for us in 3s...is that true? I have 262 Enduring Blow but want to consider crafting 262 Unhinged and 262 Misshappen as well.

[sharp meteor]

Yep, those are all good.

Although I haven't played Unhinged yet this season

I've seen a decent chunk of other teams, usually ret/warr playing it

[tender quiver]

yeah, i'm trying to find a consistent team as warr/ret/x (as well as i can find them through LFG...)

i can see playing UH into double melee teams

EB into melee/ranged

Misshappen into wizard cleaves

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

[wet scarab]

As Kyrian are you guys mostly playing Mikanikos or fooling around with the others? Mikanikos seems great cookie cutter but I don’t like having only two potency conduits

With so many ways to get out of spear I’d like to at least do some extra damage with piercing verdict

[sharp meteor]

I play Mika most of the time but Kleia also seems decent

I haven't played Pelagos because the minigame is annoying

[wet scarab]

Yeah same

[sharp meteor]

but all three are probably viable in their own ways as opposed to necro where it's just plague deviser

[wet scarab]

Still preferring Kyrian to venthyr in 2s?

[sharp meteor]

Not sure, haven't queued on Venthyr this season.

So the shadow dam execute lets you trade nicely into Warriors, and better stick to hunters, druids and mages

[elder wigeon]

venthyr cuts down paladins, warriors, negative or neutral into DK's

[sharp meteor]

DKs feel like they're made out of kleenex

have legit just like 2-hit them from full health on necro and kyrian

[wet scarab]

Might be worth it. I run into ret paladins in like 90% of games

[sharp meteor]

in 2s?

[elder wigeon]

not if you're venthyr, constantly procing runewarding and AMS/AMZ are real defensives

[sharp meteor]

I feel like arms dumpsters ret in 2s and just in general

yeah not a fan of the shadow dam into dks and rogues to lesser extent

[elder wigeon]

sorta, don't get into a duel with them you lose no matter what

bop cucks you hard too

[sharp meteor]

Trade cds into their 120 and 60s goes and they usually just sit there and get their face eaten

especially if it's something like an rdruid or rsham you're queuing with and they just burn out super fast

[wet scarab]

Yeah I don’t lose to retadins much with all the peel options but I legit run into them way more than BM hunters even

In 2s yes

[thick reef]

What’ is everyone running in arena 2s I’m running kyrian arms with pelagos and it just dosnt feel right to me

[nimble jasper]

general consensus is kyrian arms is the best

should elaborate on what “doesnt feel right”

[sharp meteor]

The only thing that feels bad about that is the pelagos minigame where you have to face the ghostie

Mika and Kleia both solid and Kyrian arms is one of the best 2s specs

[nimble jasper]

yeah but dmg reduction coming out of cc is nice

[sharp meteor]

Ye that one is huge

[marsh wharf]

what are my go to trinkets for arms

the on use?

[nimble jasper]

i still think people who play kleia are cringe damplords

but ymmv

badge is kinda sick if necro to get some fatty banner badge bloodfury bust a nut

[sharp meteor]

I just played badge every game on kyrian.

If the matchup felt weird for spear then I'd go enduring with insignia.

Can also play BM if it's something you're scared about dying against

[nimble jasper]

playing bm vs non rogue mage

kinda cringe tbh

[sharp meteor]

Yeah I haven't really played it in a while because they're always after my shaman

[nimble jasper]

same kind of people

who play arms rdruid with bm

cuz they enjoy 8 min games

or some shit

[sharp meteor]

literally me

both my healers spam emote everybody, too

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk

the sham i played with only emoted a pally team

cuz he grounded 6 hojs in a row

[sharp meteor]

actually now that i think about it's probably because i usually just carry their alts to duelist in 2s

and they're wearing old garbage gear

then they're super disgusted that a 259 ww can't kill a 220 rsham or something

[nimble jasper]

man

anytime i play my monk

i win ww mirrors so hard its not even funny

[sharp meteor]

most people who play ww this season don't really play ww

[nimble jasper]

nice cross idiot just gonna ring your entire bonedust go

[sharp meteor]

they just send their dam and randomly brute force people

[nimble jasper]

and root you on your tigers lust

gg no re

[sharp meteor]

like i have seen monks just not drop port

or use any of their abilities well outside kind of their damage

[nimble jasper]

best meme is playing blades edge

[sharp meteor]

yeah like you say

it's like what is this guy doin

[nimble jasper]

and just crackling jade lightning him off bridge

during his cds

what i do is

i xuen to bait cds

[sharp meteor]

yeah tony spooks people

[nimble jasper]

then i just force them to blow everything else on bonedust go once i get a proc

[sharp meteor]

then u have bonedust sweep images etc

[nimble jasper]

or they die

[sharp meteor]

the fishing for a proc thing is unfun

[nimble jasper]

yeah its lame

[sharp meteor]

funny on warr to get one right before a go though

whomp 25-35k

[nimble jasper]

i double killed a feral hpriest team in opener

cuz i got 3 procs

in 5 secs

[sharp meteor]

yep

queued into a team that got 8 procs in 30ish seconds

ended the game with like 13k dps

im like pls

[nimble jasper]

i love bad rogue mage teams too

because they sap my healer with no cover on me

then just ring self when he stuns me and guy looks like a dumbass

ejected out of ring

proc fishing is super cringe but its basically the optimal way to play monk

[sharp meteor]

i always get db'd on the sap rly annoying

[nimble jasper]

i remember 100-0ing an rdruid through flesh pre change

that was pepega

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah everybody squishy now with no big fleshie

especially druids who are used to having a 60k buffer

[nimble jasper]

nah that was pre

but man was walking on top of me

with no pre hots

[sharp meteor]

the absolute memer

[nimble jasper]

i’ve also seen a 259 feral fail to kill a 220 rsham

cuz missing 6 kicks is a thing

[sharp meteor]

yeah imagine kicking instead of just sitting on it

and giving them horrible anxiety

[nimble jasper]

tho fuck bm

even shit ones are a tumor

[sharp meteor]

so much unpeelable dam

[nimble jasper]

altho always great to run into hunters who trap my healer with no cc on me so i just line them the entire trap duration

[sharp meteor]

yeah on necro it's nice ill just run reflect and 95% of hunters don't cover their trap goes

and the ones that do often trap when I'm full and covered in hots

[undone sage]

dunno atm 2s are plagued with double dps..

[sharp meteor]

so many comps this season

[nimble jasper]

my favorite experience is monk into bms cuz you just did

rop turtle

and some would just afk

[sharp meteor]

yep

[nimble jasper]

or flail about for a minute trying everything to rez

[sharp meteor]

3 seconds on rez now so

[nimble jasper]

well rez now is too short

[sharp meteor]

yeah tragic

[nimble jasper]

altho for me this season the freest win

was actually sin rogue rsham into bm hpriest

just ran the priest down with 7 sec kidney and dwayne

[sharp meteor]

i only played my rogue to like 2200 but psure i ate every single priest down by second kidney yeah

[nimble jasper]

like every game was

sham pops dwayne

[sharp meteor]

holy just dies

[nimble jasper]

pulls out hunter

stub hunter into hex

continue running priest down

[sharp meteor]

yeah brutal matchup

[nimble jasper]

lololol

yeah

double dps in 2 is ok as a concept

theres just too many hybrids that heal as much as healers

[sharp meteor]

spriest gets literally 3 seconds alone and tops himself ahhhhh

[nimble jasper]

basically every hybrid

feels so good locking bad spriests and killing them in it tho

[pastel garden]

So. With soul cinders being farmable now over and over. is it worth it to farm them to get enough sockets to then gem them all with speed? How big of an impact is it for warriors?

[sharp meteor]

I didn't even really notice lmao

so I went with the SL speed gem and full vers otherwise

[pastel garden]

Damn. Stacking speed just aint worth it then? Guess the alternative there sounds alright.

[sharp meteor]

It's one of those things where it's probably ideal to get to somebody 0.1 seconds faster because the dam bonus of socketing stats is so small

or slither around that corner out of los just in time

[marsh wharf]

do the pvp trinkets only scale up verse from pvp gear or your pve gear as well?

[sharp meteor]

It's all your vers. 40% more offensive benefit.

Basically it's to make sure you don't use pve trinkets.

[novel basalt]

is venthyr meta in 2s?

Ive been playing kyrian and twos and usually dookie on them. Ive been hearing that Kyrian is troll for 2’s

2200cr atm

[proven maple]

Kyrian is very good in 2s who said that….

[thick reef]

i didnt say it wasnt im just thinking im doing somthing wrong maybe wrong soul binds ect

[warped warren]

i love running priests down

[frozen monolith]

back

[exotic bolt]

is this fine to start pvping?

[nimble jasper]

death sentence bad

if you're not venthyr

[frozen monolith]

what is best for 2s right now?

covenent

[sharp meteor]

idk they're all fine

[sharp meteor]

yeah fine just get pvp trinkets

[exotic bolt]

what go then?

[sharp meteor]

death sentence is fine general pick into mobile stuff

[nimble jasper]

ehh druids maybe

[sharp meteor]

mages, rogues, monks, dh

rly fine into most stuff

there's often something better but if he's just starting out

[nimble jasper]

disarm into rogue

[thick reef]

if not death sentence then what haha

[nimble jasper]

banner into mage

[sharp meteor]

so it's sharpen into everything other than rogue/mage

charge execute fine in general but you're looking for something of value, like he said, disarm into rogue or other warriors

banner good for stopping cc chain but little trickier to use

[nimble jasper]

yeah i just think death sentence sucks

overall

[sharp meteor]

I'm thinking highest value newbie guild

so like sahrpen, sentence then either rally disarm or warbringer

[fierce elm]

Not even a newbie thing. Death Semtence has so mich value into anything that can kite you. These include: Monk, Rogue, any ranged spec, DH

and if facing RM in 2s you dont need sharpen

[nimble jasper]

why would you not play disarm into rogue tho

[fierce elm]

You have 3 talents

Assumkng this man is gonna play 2s and all that, you bring all 3

If you play 3s its heavily dependant on what comp you are running

[nimble jasper]

yeah i mean i still think death sentence isnt worth

over banner or disarm

[fickle forge]

More versa, get PvP trinkets and use your Warbringer slot to rotate Disarm/Banner/Duel etc.

Death Sentence is good

Swap your first finesse with intervene conduit and make 2nd distrupt the peace

[warped warren]

nf

[warped warren]

false

[warped warren]

sharpen into everything

[nimble jasper]

nf in 2s yikes

[scarlet barn]

nf is yikes

[warped warren]

u

[warped warren]

also u

[nimble jasper]

not sure why anyone would play nf in pvp

esp now that you can freely swap covs

[elder wigeon]

man tried some venthyr, feels terrible

[nimble jasper]

Honestly glad venthyr is dead

orc sephuz venthyr warrior with death sentence was the most idiot proof spec I've seen

even more than bfa dh

[elder wigeon]

the game is just so bad right now

playing other games have made me realize how bad this shit really is lol

[nimble jasper]

gameplay itself is ok

the fact i have to grind over 100k honor

to make my gear the proper ilvl

garbage design

[elder wigeon]

I hate logging in to press warbreaker and instantly get disarmed, it's just so fucking annoying

gearing system is still giga dogshit despite all these changes

[nimble jasper]

are you actually complaining

that people responded to cds?

yikes

[fierce elm]

trinket disarm @elder wigeon

[nimble jasper]

whats next

[elder wigeon]

poggers i get to press warbreaker once every 2 mins

[nimble jasper]

play monk and complain when your images get feared

[elder wigeon]

bruh

[nimble jasper]

have you tried stunning before doing your go

[elder wigeon]

lol

[nimble jasper]

or are you just chimping and sending damage off the rip w/o cc

[fierce elm]

????

Disarm is real annoying

[nimble jasper]

Yeah on literally every melee

idk whats the point being made

[fierce elm]

That its annoying and feels aids to play into?

[elder wigeon]

that's what we're talking about mich

[nimble jasper]

disarm isnt exactly a new thing though

its just wep chains arent a thing nowadays

[elder wigeon]

which expansions have you played?

[nimble jasper]

I mean I've literally played mop which was the height of fuck you dont get to play the game

[fierce elm]

Lock isnt a new thing and also feels aids to play against

[nimble jasper]

Lock on warrior feels like free win

[elder wigeon]

disarm was nowhere near as aids in mop

[nimble jasper]

on other classes tho....

yeah

[wheat jay]

Nothing is worse than monk

Fuck monks

[nimble jasper]

monk disarm being 30 yds

[fierce elm]

Fearing is hard kekw

[nimble jasper]

is my main complaint

tbh

[wheat jay]

Dont say that to me man xD

[nimble jasper]

also

weapon chains existed in mop

so uhhh

i literally said that

[elder wigeon]

you didn't use weapon chain as warrior

you had it as a passive

[nimble jasper]

not sure why of all things wrong with game rn

you choose being disarmed on warbreaker

like of all classes rogue feels the worst getting disarmed on

"oh fk me gonna go afk for next 30 secs"

[elder wigeon]

it's super aids that they're both 45 second CD's and very annoying to play around

[fierce elm]

[nimble jasper]

i mean when i get disarmed on a go

I just acknowledge myself or team was bad not ccing the person

so they cant disarm

[fierce elm]

I just trinket that shit vs Warrior teams fuck it

Big energy

[elder wigeon]

and if you're playing a comp with little cc?

[nimble jasper]

like what

[warped warren]

just preparry disarm

and die in a vendetta kidney

[wheat jay]

Just bladestorm it

[nimble jasper]

i mean alot of warriors make it super obvious when they wanna disarm you

ehh

[elder wigeon]

turbo, thunder, ret warrior

[nimble jasper]

ret warrior

"little cc"

ok

[elder wigeon]

if you're gonna tell me ret warrior has a lot of cc, log off

[warped warren]

dont remember asking

[nimble jasper]

if only you could stun 2 people every DR

oh wait

you can

[elder wigeon]

oh no what about the third

fuck

[warped warren]

HAHAHAHA standard

[nimble jasper]

you have

a healer

?

this some serious zugzug brain shit

rn

[elder wigeon]

yeah idk man i guess we never thought of that at 2800

[warped warren]

yo imagine 3.x and you get disarmed on bladestorm

[elder wigeon]

trash

imagine not covering your bladestorm

[warped warren]

HAHAHAH

[nimble jasper]

ret warrior players get no sympathy tbh

chimp comp

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[warped warren]

arent you like career 1200???@nimble jasper

[wheat jay]

Ahahah

[nimble jasper]

and then theres the extra special ones

who just snipe jungles

[wheat jay]

Ok 2 things, post exp, post benchpress

[quasi lotus]

@elfin surge he means you

KEK

[nimble jasper]

just weird of all things shit with this expac

you choose disarmed on warbreaker

then theres shit like rdruids got divine shield this patch

[wheat jay]

Refusing to answer

Sus

[elder wigeon]

choosing to be disarmed on warbreaker lol

man what is this cope

[nimble jasper]

man i didnt even cry this hard in bfa

[wheat jay]

[nimble jasper]

playing rogue into double monk

and being able to get disarmed from 30 yds

by 2/3 people

[wheat jay]

Rogue main?

[elder wigeon]

idk who you're talking to but I'm not crying, you're just refusing to admit this meta of weakaura slaving is insanely annoying

[nimble jasper]

...do people not look at their debuffs

[elder wigeon]

Why do that when you have a bike horn going honk honk

[fickle forge]

Yo fam, what's your cr?

You make it sound incredibly easy

[elder wigeon]

honk honk = press disarm

[nimble jasper]

ok but weakauras aint exactly new

[fickle forge]

Is it as easy as you say it is at your mmr?

[nimble jasper]

not sure how any of this is SL specific

[wheat jay]

Man Popped evasion on that cr question

100% dodge

[nimble jasper]

I mean I haven't cared enough

game's been trash ever since they decided 6 sec intervene was fine to push live

and shit like rdruids having lay on hands

and prot pals being playable

[wheat jay]

Rogue getting disarm on top of it all is worse than 6s intervene

But ye

[graceful quarry]

ur name sounds familiar, but idk where from @nimble jasper

[wheat jay]

Still dodging cr question

[nimble jasper]

monk disarm is the biggest offender by far

30 yd range btw

[wheat jay]

Monk doesnt have blind, shadow duel, and smoke bomb

That need to be trinketed

Still no cr answered

[nimble jasper]

no but they can 100-0 you every minute

if you dont respond proper

[elder wigeon]

i mean rogues can step disarm your parry to the same effect

[wheat jay]

So do rogues

Every 20 seconds

If you dont respond proper

[elder wigeon]

rogues don't 1 shot but their damage is really high considering the control

[nimble jasper]

where are you getting every 20

[wheat jay]

Kidney

[nimble jasper]

rogue biggest issue rn is 7 second kidney

whoever is the big dumbass who brought that back

[wheat jay]

I dont think we play the same game

Still, i Ask for cr

And my question remains unanswered

[nimble jasper]

Whole convo is brain frying

I guess thats what playing cleaves does though

[scarlet barn]

🤣

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-matrix-dodge-dodge-the-matrix-minecraft-gif-23045293

[wheat jay]

STATE YOUR CR

So we know you're not talking out of your ass

@nimble jasper sir

State thine experience

Well

[nimble jasper]

I literally said I stopped caring for 3s this season cuz game is bad

and most of people on tag worth a shit playing with quit so

[elder wigeon]

what's the highest rating you've achieved last season

[nimble jasper]

healing for non healers and 6s intervene were big parts of it

[wheat jay]

That's not the answer to my question

[nimble jasper]

my main mage legit quit of venthyr orc warrior

lmao

[wheat jay]

Ok, but cr/exp fam

Number

[nimble jasper]

got 2.1 start of the season then stopped caring

trash ass game, but not because of disarm

[wheat jay]

Finally

Meh

I enjoy pvp more than before

[nimble jasper]

i prob would more

if i didnt have to grind 110k honor

to have my gear done

[wheat jay]

With the exception of monk and rogue

Mmmm

[nimble jasper]

necrolord feral

[wheat jay]

Check this, if you played from start you'd have gear ages ago

[nimble jasper]

🤤

[wheat jay]

And you didnt need to have 110k honor first weeks of the game

[nimble jasper]

also bm hunters doing 5k dps all game

in general this game

everything that isnt a healer

heals way too much

[mystic barn]

Why did it take so long to post ur rating

[nimble jasper]

as well

[wheat jay]

Well, all are still killable

[nimble jasper]

necro feral pre flesh change

wasnt really

unless they were shit

[wheat jay]

Lol

They were you just needed good setup with burst on it :)

[nimble jasper]

*multiple maledicts

or mindgames

altho pretty cool to watch an rdruid top himself from 5% in 1 global through maledict mindgames

[wheat jay]

Or damage

Through mindgames?

[nimble jasper]

yeah

you've never seen that clip?

lmao

[mystic barn]

haha

[somber comet]

All I'm hearing

Is SKILL

Issues

There's no Ion emote.

[queen plank]

What leggo for 3s as necro warr? Ive seen a lot of enduring blow

[elder wigeon]

sephuz, mirror, enduring blow

[warped warren]

i see alot of complaining

for a 2.1k boy

[torn island]

How do you line ur burst as necro war? First go u press avatar+banner+warbreaker and next banner u synnc with avatar and wb againnor wb itself is enough?

[wicked magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-right-am-i-right-totally-same-gif-9191853

[dusk crane]

hey guys

want to make a warrior for pvp , i saw some ppl play tauren and some with orc

[wicked magnet]

orc

[dusk crane]

is orc better in pve as well for warrior?

if u know about it

nvm i ask it in arms section

thanks for help

[wicked magnet]

should be yes

[warped warren]

yes, orc for everything

pve, pvp, afking oribos and also for logging off

[dusk crane]

:>

[wheat jay]

Not for fashion fam

Sorry

[thick reef]

good point haha, im a weirdo so i kinda like the way they look LMAO

[warped warren]

ofc for fashion

[wet scarab]

are you guys using the kyrian leggo for 2s or prefer enduring blow? I'll admit it's fun to occasionally spear a rogue, get disarmed, and watch him die from the spear damage alone over 8s, but it feels like with the nerf and all the counters to escape it might be nice to have the extra consistent damage from enduring, and 4s is good enough for a peel if needed. Thoughts?

[sharp meteor]

Basically nothing changed about it except that more people realized that they probably need to use something in response to it.

[marsh wharf]

what soulbind should i be using for 3s pelegos?

[sharp meteor]

I like Mika as a general pick, especially if you want the defensive stun. Kleia for just sustained damage and bleed immunty. Haven't played pela but he's probably fine?

You have the mastery amp on spear and then the little proc which you can sometimes sort of line up with a go by delaying grabbing it

[quaint hornet]

Could someone explain this to my brainlet brain, if arms is the top 2s dps spec, why are the top feral players the highest rated

to clarify, i mean out of dps specs that run with healers

[sharp meteor]

🤨

[quaint hornet]

i swear im not trolling, im genuinely curious

[sharp meteor]

was there a discussion going on over where or not arms is the #1 2s dps or something

[quaint hornet]

i was just under the impression that it was the #1 dps spec for 2s out of comps that run with healers

[quasi lotus]

because Arms isn't the #1 2s spec

[quaint hornet]

I was under the impression it was better than feral though

[quasi lotus]

they both have their good and bad matchups

[quaint hornet]

Which it’s possible the graphs I’ve been looking at are just population over 2100 which I don’t see feral ranking too high on due to it being much less played than other specs

I think that’s what skewed me

[quasi lotus]

It's only really the very top 10 showing feral as better

[quaint hornet]

are they just extreme god tier players i guess lol

[quasi lotus]

I mean it's the top end of 2s

it's just the same players playing each other

[proven maple]

Did Marks get buffed?

feeling a lot scarier

[elder wigeon]

yeah marksman got buffed big

[sharp meteor]

Bigly dam buffs for MM and we can swap covs so they're finally free from venth

Ideally CC them on their wallhack arrow or somebody is blowing up

[proven maple]

yea my monk evaporated in 1.2 seconds 2 games ago

and every go with them feels stupid hard to live

[sharp meteor]

Their dmg profile is kind of scuffed by disarms

they don't fare well with having their faces kicked in especially because no craven

[elder wigeon]

hard to disarm a hunter as a warrior

rogues can step disarm, monks can disarm from a range

you can charge to them but if they feign disengage insta, you're not getting it and you're now in the middle of the map getting fuckin blasted

[sharp meteor]

yeah yeah but he said he was playing with a monk

there's also just leap bolt into disarm because their go is all telegraphed

[elder wigeon]

yeah I guess don't get caught lackin without leap bolt disarm

but what about this, what if they trinket the bolt and disengage and root you with their arrow

[sharp meteor]

avatar/storm into disarm or immediately fear

one their little go is scuffed they don't do much

[elder wigeon]

making it sound easy like mich

you ever qued into ssds?

or dilly

[sharp meteor]

yeah

although not as mm

[elder wigeon]

I feel hopeless against ssds specifically

he does more damage than anyone on the planet

[sharp meteor]

yep squeezes out every little bit

kind of wish there was something in that giant rift between glad and r1

or just that seasons were shorter

[elder wigeon]

that's just how it's always been

problem is, gladiator is too low

gladiator should be around 2650

I really wish they'd return to top .5%

[sharp meteor]

i really think shorter seasons would fix it

like in terms of % there are fewer sl s2 drakes than a lot of the old 0.5% ones

[elder wigeon]

number of glads only matters when you consider player base

look at last season

last season it was like top 1.5% or something like that

[sharp meteor]

yeah imagine if they didn't rug mmr

[elder wigeon]

this season it's like top 1%

[sharp meteor]

and last season was abnormablyl high because first season is always high and

the gear was super good

[elder wigeon]

I just would like gladiator to mean more

[sharp meteor]

shorter seasons and can't farm wins at low mmr

and crack down on shit like this

[warped warren]

oof

[lucid walrus]

fuckin egregious

[jaunty furnace]

Just logged onto WoW for the 1st time since patch wtf is this challenger unlocked pvp equipment upgrades

[sharp meteor]

More upgrade tiers, and lower ranks are now more powerful.

[uneven mist]

Also you have to get a win in your new bracket to upgrade your gear up to that new rank

[wheat jay]

Which is how it was supposed to work but was bugged

[sharp meteor]

All, 9.1 to 9.1.5 was one week for the purpose of the system.

[wheat jay]

It was bugged

All this time

[sharp meteor]

YEP.

Definitely one of those things that people didn't mind being bugged, though.

[wheat jay]

True

I dont disagree with that haha

[simple rock]

fun detected

[sharp meteor]

At least they left it in for as long as they did.

I appreciated not having to knock out a weekly game on everything I was upgrading.

[gritty grove]

is venthyr arms better/more fun in 2s compared to necro?

[uneven mist]

Isn’t necro better for 3s?

[gritty grove]

probably, i only play 2s tho, dont have enough friends for 3s

[uneven mist]

And I thought for 2s kyrian is now the top dawg for pvp

[sharp meteor]

I mean we can swap freely now and it doesn't take long to get renown up

So might as well play around and see how stuff feels

[gritty grove]

true but just thought id ask before committing soul cinders to craft execute lego cos otherwise id make spell reflect one

[elder wigeon]

venthyr didn't feel good when I was testing it last night

[sharp meteor]

Big executes on targets with nerfed armor have addled my brain

[elder wigeon]

venthyr hits like a pool noodle

[undone sage]

think it might be the fact that its shadow damage, same ish damage (abit less actually) but rly the fact that it doesnt take armor into consideration

so nerfed or high armor, the dmg would be really based on their spell resistance?

kinda makes me think, could u reflect a venthyrs execute as warr

[sharp meteor]

No, but spell reflect reduces its damage.

[undone sage]

now thats a very odd one

[sharp meteor]

Not unlike when a Ret goes to town on your face.

It's magic damage but not exactly a spell, so

[elder wigeon]

problem is, venthyr got nerfed from the 10% execute buff and the armor nerf

because it no longer does more damage relative to other abilities AND execute was buffed

[undone sage]

damn

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

Is venth warr in the trash for pve? Maybe it'll get some buffs along the line.

The conduit buff this patch doesn't seem like it'll do anything.

[undone sage]

so execute gets buffed by 10%. i guess venthyr execute unnafected
armor gets nerfed, meaning normal executes hit harder ontop of that, again venthyr unaffected

[sharp meteor]

Bingo.

[undone sage]

so u would mean that, condemn didnt exactly get nerfed, but was left behind (bigtime)

[sharp meteor]

That's how it played out.

[undone sage]

interesting, i guess that means that devs dont rly play the game

[sharp meteor]

Well, no. The way they went about addressing it was fine. It's just that at this point they need to buff Venth back into relevency.

[lucid walrus]

i'm entirely fine w condemn sucking because it's a bandaid button

if it did as much sustain as it did in 9.0 while still functioning as a mobility cd every single time there'd be no reason to play anything else

[elder wigeon]

there's no reason to play venthyr at all

I think nightfae is better unironically

[undone sage]

wasnt here s1 >.<

[lucid walrus]

past like the first month or so you didn't see anything but condoomers

was not a fun meta

[sharp meteor]

I recall most people being Kyrian, with condemners being raiders

and then it shifted to more venth

[lucid walrus]

my brain measures time's passage in 9.0 by hpal nerfs

[sharp meteor]

yeah I'm hitting people, completely content

and every healer i knew was screaming about what they were doing to hpal

[lucid walrus]

pov: it's october and your rally is a 1 minute cd

[sharp meteor]

take me back

venth sephuz orc warrior with battlemaster and big rally every game

ooga booga

[elder wigeon]

nah didn't like that either

ironically kyrian is more fun because you don't feel like you're fucked that hard against things like monks

but they also have rop for your spear

[lucid walrus]

i've always been fond of the way warr and monk played into each other

[elder wigeon]

I'm not a fan of monks

everybody knows that

[sharp meteor]

cringe ranged disarm that goes through parry cringe port cringe parry fists

[elder wigeon]

cringe x cringe

[sharp meteor]

i hate ww so much it's unreal

[elder wigeon]

I am too angry to die

[proven maple]

^ I swear this. It’s like I’m refusing to let this asshole beat me with all my might.

Works sometimes

[gritty grove]

is 38% vers overkill or is it still better than haste/crit up to 40%

[sharp meteor]

I imagined that if vers was our best stat at 30, then losing 10% of my 30-40% gains would be fine

I've seen some people go crit or haste but I'm just going vers until at least next season

[gritty grove]

yeh ok thanks

[sharp meteor]

shadowlands speed gem though because it seemed like reasonable value

[gritty grove]

yeh i use that 1 speed gem and all the rest vers

[elder wigeon]

i never stop going into vers

[sharp meteor]

yeah unless i see some super compelling reason to go with something else I just go vers

[proven maple]

Crits bro. That’s the reason

[sharp meteor]

at the end of the day i don't imagine it makes much of a difference

[proven maple]

More crits though

[sharp meteor]

yeah kleia like 30% crit

bonk

[gritty grove]

thats what ive always thought but seeing some rank 1s gem haste made me wonder

[proven maple]

Sounds like you could have 31

[sharp meteor]

perhaps

oh reminds me i need that new crit sword

[proven maple]

I mean if you play ret war primarily and a lot do. The ret is constantly the go target. You could get away with some more pve stats probably

[elder wigeon]

taking less damage and doing more flat damage is great

[warped warren]

[warped warren]

venthyr is misery

[sharp meteor]

i miss when my big red chop did dam

[elder wigeon]

condemn tickles

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

hm triune nerfs didn't go through

[warped warren]

why would they, mages are struggling to survive with their 8k hps !!!!

[elder wigeon]

yeah i noticed that

[exotic bolt]

is jaithys pvp good?

rank 4 or 5

arms

kyrian

em

[wheat jay]

Opinions differ

If you have it on higher ilvl than you can have your pvp weapon, then use it

If not, use pvp weapon

[queen plank]

Why are u asking🙃

[radiant hamlet]

Is the latest pin here up to date?

Because it’s saying that venthyr is better than necro and that necro doesnt even play with unhinged

[elder wigeon]

honestly venthyr sucks

kyrian > necro > nightfae = venthyr

in my honest opinion

[warped warren]

nf>>necro>venth>>>>>kyr

def

[elder wigeon]

definitely not but kyrian still remains the best for overall ladder play

[radiant hamlet]

i think necro will make a drastic rise and become top now that we can freely swap covenants

[elder wigeon]

I don't think so the fleshcraft nerfs kinda keep it in check

I think they're about equal in a vacuum

whichever is best for your comp, you should play

I wouldn't touch venthyr honestly

[radiant hamlet]

nah screw venthyr

[warped warren]

[elder wigeon]

don't act like it's not

[warped warren]

[barren hornet]

venthyr is bad even if I play mostly 2s?

[frail light]

im a fury pvp player would kyrian be worth it to go my gear is all about mastery and verse i dont have crit...

[warped warren]

fo sho

[wheat jay]

If you just want to have fun, Play whatever you like

And seeing how you Play fury, you just want to have fun :)

[frail light]

i love fury and the banner is fun to play with insane damage on burst

[buoyant shale]

What’s the most efficient way to grind renown in patch 9.1.5?

[scarlet barn]

Torghast layer 9

[gritty grove]

does the mortal strikes cast from the unhinged legendary have a chance to proc the double mortal strike conduit?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[buoyant shale]

Does the pvp brawl this week award 1 renown per win?

Or is it even worth farming?

[warped warren]

rng

and yes

[formal creek]

Whats this rift in maw farming shenanigans everyone doing now?

[wicked magnet]

where did you guys say i can buy pvp gear for alts?

conquest gear

oh nvm i found it

scouting map requiring explorer of the shadowlands achievement is so dumb xD

[pale minnow]

Rifts in maw?

[floral ingot]

Devouring darkness gives the same loot as a rare mob

There are a lot of them

So u can get 10k rep and 20k codex an hour

[dark leaf]

Venthyr still the play for 2s with a healer?

[brazen dew]

So, I have some mythic gear and not really much pvp rating. How much vers should I be sporting before I really try to do anything competitive?

[wicked magnet]

i like kyrian, i think venthyr soulbinds are complete garbage

[brazen dew]

Venthyr have the worst soulbinds overall

night fae have the best, kyrian kinda suck too but the capstones help cds line up so ehhh

[near inlet]

How is fury pvp? easy to climb 2k rating? I want to play nf or venthyr fury.

[sharp meteor]

Underwhelming relative to arms but not unplayable.

Not sure about Venth because it's a nerfed execute.

[buoyant shale]

battlelord still the go to for necro?

[thick reef]

that works or enduring too

mishapen unhgined too

[frail light]

i reached 1.8k

[wicked magnet]

What does night fae have that compares to the power of the mik auto stun? I haven't gotten around to trying night fae yet

I started it when I thought I unlocked everything when I switched when 9.1.5 came out but got lazy and immediately switched back xD

[brazen dew]

i meant more in general than in pvp. The kyrian stuff is decent for pvp.

[buoyant shale]

Is the enduring or battle lord lego better for pvp?

[sharp meteor]

Dunno, I played both and just ended up going with enduring.

Have only queued into one warr playing battlelord but it seems fine

[bleak sage]

what ability do you guys usually use ferocity trinket on?

Avator or warbeaker?

[sharp meteor]

Independently and into one of my spear binds

[elder wigeon]

spear or warbreaker

[sharp meteor]

Probably warbreaker but also have a standalone warbreaker bind if not kyrian

and similar thing with spear if kyrian

[elder wigeon]

I use badge on whatever I don't get disarmed on

if I can help it

[steel ferry]

Is the full set still 1800? I only have helm and shoulders left so I'd assume it still is

[sharp meteor]

Hm, not sure.

I hope they bumped it up to 1950

Although it'd be weird if they did it in the middle of a season lmao

[thick reef]

yea its rly a pref tbh enduring is just rly good with good rng

[crisp jewel]

I do ok as venthyr fury w signet. The damage is insane, I haven't been out dps'd In any arena or bg for weeks. Fury needs a really strong healer to prop them up, but the way I play is high mobility high sustain. Death sentence as venthyr fury is stupid. Never run out of mobility. As far as 2k and above, I couldn't tell ya. Also, I'm no pro so this is more for fun.

I've had the best luck with resto druid

[scarlet barn]

That sounds like a good meme ngl

[sharp meteor]

there's one guy i queued into playing venth fury and he's 2500ish now

[scarlet barn]

Doesnt mean that venthyr fury is good lol

[sharp meteor]

i mean sure but it's fine

[scarlet barn]

I mean when you want to have fun, everything is fine

[wheat jay]

If you want to push for glad without trolling yourself or your team, you go arms

[sharp meteor]

or play what's fun because it's just glad not r1

[scarlet barn]

I would like to see if that guy played Fury venthyr all the way to 2500

or just memed couple of times

😛

[sharp meteor]

i have queued into him since bfa and he always played fury

he has an alt that he plays arms on

[scarlet barn]

it is possible and people done it many times

[sharp meteor]

he was like 2700 playing surv/fury in bfa s4 lele

[scarlet barn]

Technically skillfull player doesnt care and will get glad on anything

[wheat jay]

Depends who wants to achieve what :)

[simple rock]

lol this rift farm is gg ez

if you want sockets

[scarlet barn]

just running around picking chests?

[simple rock]

nah

killing green elites called "Famished Darkness" in the maw in rift

getting almost 5k research every 15mins

it will probably be hotfixed soon

fun detected

[scarlet barn]

Yorik was too so yea

prob

[sharp meteor]

Early and often

It was actually such an awful grind I'm surprised they didn't nerf it earlier

I finished my rank 6 months after most people and at that time like 0.5% of people had finished it or something

[wheat jay]

Lol i was slacking hard with it and i finished over 2 months ago

[fickle crater]

Hey guys, I'm 80 renown with Venthyr with 262 legendary, is it worth it to play some arenas/rbgs at renown 60 with 262 legendary Kyrian or just wait til 80?

[thick reef]

hey i use venthyr for arms war what lego should i have

[elder wigeon]

exploiter

[long ocean]

whats better to disarm acendance or doomwinds on an enhancement shaman

[elder wigeon]

doomwinds

[frail light]

if u go kyrian for pvp as fury for example do u need to build crit instead of mastery?

[elder wigeon]

No

you don't need crit because of reck

[dusty saddle]

Why aren't there react emojis in this chan

[frail light]

Aight thanks

[near inlet]

I got 40 renown venthyr warrior. would it be easier to change convenant or make 80 and change?

[bleak sage]

How do you guys fight beastmasters? Kill the pet but he gets the revive off eventually

[sharp meteor]

Prior to the patch I'd generally go Hunter and make swaps to the pet if I lost uptime, or on rdruid hots/bark

There's also just eating the healer if it's something other than an rdruid.

[thick reef]

what do u think is the best legendary as a fury warrior for pvp?

i've been using st for awhile and then nature fury, i found them both bad choices

[sharp meteor]

Probably signet?

[quasi lotus]

Signet

[thick reef]

what about unhinged does it still work?

[quasi lotus]

It works yeah

[scarlet barn]

But its a meme

[thick reef]

doesnt mean it's bad

[quasi lotus]

It's worse than signet

[thick reef]

i heard it's great for burst

i found signet very annoying being a night fae

[quasi lotus]

why?

signet is definitely miles better on fae than unhinged

[thick reef]

i tend using aftershook and rek together, but with signet it might proc bladestorm and ruin my position and timing

[quasi lotus]

cancel your bladestorm

macro it into your aftershock

and also rampage

[thick reef]

mmm yea i never thught that, i'll try...thx 😉

[scarlet barn]

Bad meme

[thick reef]

wow great explanation

soooo having avatar on(proced by signet)is way better than having two auto mortalstrickes, am i right Bev?

[quasi lotus]

Yes and signet is way higher output over the course of an arena

the only argument for Unhinged is the Necro meme

[thick reef]

what is it?

[quasi lotus]

And I'd still argue signet better on necro too

Well Banner + Reck makes your unhinged hit massive

[sharp meteor]

More modifiers making your isolated mortal strikes hit bigly.

Seems like smurf or into melee cleave leggo for Necro and otherwise kind of underwhelming?

[thick reef]

speaking of wich do u think necro is any good for fury?

[sharp meteor]

Sure.

[thick reef]

im a night fae and i'm thinking to swap to necro but i'm not that sure

[bitter wedge]

Just need that pally nightfae buff is it the winter one? with the lego being 80% chance to deal 60% more damage on skills?

[warped warren]

summer

[sharp meteor]

Summer, yeah. I don't know if it'd be better than the other covenants but arms/prot/x is pretty good.

You'll outlast a lot of things if you properly rotate stuff.

And as of 9.1.5 people can't spit on you any more~

[thick reef]

Necrolord has received a massive buff, making it a much stronger covenant, typically excellent with other melee classes due to the movement speed buff. It can be great to pair with your partners offensive cooldowns, helping them deal a significant amount of extra damage due to the Mastery gain. Your self survivability increases dramatically when playing Necrolord, which is now definitely a welcome sight for Fury warriors, due to Forgiatura della Carne. It works nice with Fury as you have higher HP than most dps classes as well, due to titans grip. You also have access to a powerful tree in Marileth, making the 2nd best overall choice.

Night Fae is becoming a more potent choice, being able to pair Avventatezza with Scossa d'Assestamento Antica for an incredible amount of burst damage! This can be a bit of a gimmick but it's powerful enough to remain a good choice overall for Fury Warriors. This will be mainly good for warriors that use Night Fae for PvE, prioritizing their PvE gameplay in WoW but want to have some fun in PvP as fury!

i found this

sry if i'm annoying you xD

[scarlet barn]

Thing is, fury just plays around that burst window and then just runs down healers. Is more squishy also. And toolkit is lacking. Now you ofc can palya nyting and to some extent , everything works

But if you want to experience true unga bunga , go arms 🤣

[scarlet barn]

Where is that from?

[sharp meteor]

whoa that's a lot of words

[scarlet barn]

Scossa d'assedtamento

Lol

Italian?

[sharp meteor]

i just hit mages with a big stick until they stop moving

[thick reef]

LMAO

yeah just get the blinks out of the way

[south wren]

Good evening everyone. Enduring blow..helm or waist for necrolord? versa and haste either way right?

[brazen dew]

What's the math on dropping ilvl for vers? Got some decent 252 vers pieces but no rating currently for this season.

[sharp meteor]

There's no haste conquest helm and it's a higher budget piece meaning more str

[south wren]

No, I meant to make helm from memory of enduring blow

[brazen dew]

I'm not planning to like push glad but do want to be geared enough for casual 2s or some big stomping.

I don't see myself trying to push past 1800. Still wanna do the best I can though with what I have

[sharp meteor]

then go with whichever is cheapest

[brazen dew]

I'm more curious about like, is there a certain vers % I should be pursuing before I even attempt to go in, or can I just slap on some new rings/neck with my mythic gear and be mostly fine starting out?

[quasi lotus]

Ilvl is king around 8-9 lvls higher when talking bout no vers vs vers

Exceptions being weapon- where ilvl is always the most important

And rings/neck where vers is important

[brazen dew]

appreciated. I'll switch things around and give it a go. Shackles are our go-to offensive trink, yeah?

[quasi lotus]

Think people prefer badge now that shackles doesn't have a big ilvl advantage

But I am outdated on that

[south wren]

roger that

[brazen dew]

huh, I figured it'd be nice for securing a kill or for getting los'd when your target is low

[thick reef]

Is Fury a viable PvP spec?

[sharp meteor]

I guess that depends on your interpretation of "viable".

[thick reef]

Get 1400 cr in 2s or 3s

[quasi lotus]

Then yes

[sharp meteor]

Fury is playable to 2400 2s and gladiator+ 3s although I can't advise it over Arms

[thick reef]

Ok neat. I've always wanted to do PvP on my warrior, but never did because everyone says 'Arms bis fury dumb'

[quasi lotus]

I mean that is the case basically

[brazen dew]

My main thing would be just for war mode/bg stomping/very casual 2s.

[quasi lotus]

But your goals are perfectly achievable as fury

They would be easier as arms

But being fury won't stop you

[sharp meteor]

Fury feels super nice in bgs

[brazen dew]

Warbringer with zerking sounds like it would be a funny meme

[thick reef]

So how is Fury in wpvp compared to arms? Arms still better?

[brazen dew]

idk I'm just asking here first before I embarass myself by having not much vers.

[quasi lotus]

Arms is better than fury in every single pvp scenario

[sharp meteor]

So they kind of gutted fury self healing and that was the one thing it kind of had

[brazen dew]

wouldn't fury duel better due to sustain?

well shit.

[thick reef]

F

[quasi lotus]

Fury sustain doesnt exist

Its a meme

[brazen dew]

so they nerf the one thing fury had

[quasi lotus]

People believing in bfa or something

[brazen dew]

w h y though

the snare thing was broken but why nerf the healing