pvp

[thick reef]

....

Altright boys

was a nice conversation

[scarlet barn]

We are open here

[thick reef]

thanks\

[scarlet barn]

No shaming

No pointing fingers

😔

[thick reef]

yeah but you too said ur 2.8 warrior and Rdruids are hard to handle

[scarlet barn]

Idk what was said there

[quasi lotus]

I mean it's fairly common consensus that r druids are broken

[proven maple]

Not if you’re 2.3

[quasi lotus]

Ret/Warr/R Dru is the most obnoxious comp in the fucking game

[scarlet barn]

Why you hate karg

[thick reef]

Agreed not in 3's as a warr

[scarlet barn]

He good boy

[thick reef]

i dont hate anyone 😄

[elder wigeon]

honestly any rdruid comp is a problem

[thick reef]

were having a discussion

i can make Rdruid go oom faster than a naked Hpala

in 3's ofc

[quasi lotus]

What patch are you playing on?

Out of interest

[thick reef]

here we go again

:)\

Alright PvPers

good luck guys

[proven maple]

I mean you lack reading comprehension. Not sure what the point of this was

[elder wigeon]

back to new world i go

[wheat jay]

Bruh what?

[scarlet barn]

He left

Let it be

[wheat jay]

Do you do dmg of 3 people by yourself?

Oh

Kek

[thick reef]

ask the 2.8 Warrior and on which spell u swap when Rdruid cast it

[elder wigeon]

i don't swap off cen ward fast I stay on to force an extension then swap

[thick reef]

but wont it oom him?

uness he drinks then ur fault

[wheat jay]

Rdruids by design do not oom

At least in 2s

[thick reef]

am talking 3's

[wheat jay]

Theyre still super mana efficient in 3s

[thick reef]

Yes they are buddy 😄

[elder wigeon]

rdruids are stupid mana efficient when playing a comp where you have to get through multiple short CD's on either kill targets and swapping on hots isn't that effective because the short small CD's tie them over until cen ward or another CD

like rdruid with an SP

or mage

[thick reef]

2.3 mmr SPs and locks works perfectly

i dunno about u guys

[elder wigeon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

not my experience

[thick reef]

Lmao XD

so ur saying ur mmr knows how to counter it

[scarlet barn]

What is your current cr

In 3s

[thick reef]

2.3

[elder wigeon]

rdruids at my mmr are much better at dealing with the swaps

and so are the dps at spending their CD's

[wheat jay]

Even at 2.3k mmr rdruids dont struggle too much with swaps

[thick reef]

That's what i see and do. its effective

but still #hardStuck

[elder wigeon]

it's the only thing you can do

[scarlet barn]

But that is a lie isnt it

[elder wigeon]

higher and higher ratings the rdruids will pay attention to their DR's and start pre-swapping the hots before CC even happens to save them globals out of CC

[thick reef]

Yes its a lie

Does it affect the conversation?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[scarlet barn]

Yes

Cause if you lie about

You can lie about anything

Or not being objective

[thick reef]

First of all its not a lie

second

am trying to make a point even so if its a lie

the convesation still has a point

Why are u taking this personal?

[wheat jay]

Bruh what

[elder wigeon]

can we talk about what you're struggling with?

[thick reef]

am asking and responding

[thick reef]

would love to mate if i can DM you

CBA tbh

[scarlet barn]

This is still about trying to be objective tbh. I am not making this personal so far 👀

[wheat jay]

Imagine this, if you're 1.6k mmr, then your experience is not even close to 2.3k mmr, however we can't know that cuz you said you lied

[elder wigeon]

this conversation is spinning it's tires

[thick reef]

DM if u allow me pelase 🙂

[wheat jay]

Post your char name first, not like we're gonna snipe you till the end of the world lol

[thick reef]

I wont

[elder wigeon]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Thrall/Enu here's all my characters, have a look

[thick reef]

second am talking to u. theres a respectful 2.8 warr

who am aiming at getting the answers

[thick reef]

i trust you mate

am gonna make a point to him

why would i start all this while am lying

[elder wigeon]

I just put my balls on the table, I don't really care who knows about my characters

[thick reef]

and whats his point of him asking me?

[elder wigeon]

I said earlier, he wants to see if you're lying about your games and now xp

[wheat jay]

Cuz you're mad sus

And if you're lying then this whole conversation is pointless

[thick reef]

I' not mad at all 🙂

[wheat jay]

Huh

[thick reef]

you can read above whos mad and calling names

XD

[elder wigeon]

I could be lying about being 2.8, you wouldn't know

[thick reef]

well i knew u were high from ur prespective in game

immdietley

[wheat jay]

[thick reef]

That guy is a troll

[wheat jay]

From my perspective you are a troll, seeing how you refuse to let us know your xp/cr and saying that you've lied

[thick reef]

Then dont answer my questions

[elder wigeon]

block him and move on

[thick reef]

be silent

[wheat jay]

Then dont ask them if you dont want answers

[thick reef]

he didnt ask

[wheat jay]

Ok im done

[thick reef]

ur clearle mornic

[wheat jay]

Continue with your questions to resune

[thick reef]

am done not u

which questions?

u left any ?

ruined the whole shiiit show anyways

[scarlet barn]

It is okay Mx

Things happen

[thick reef]

No problem mate:)

just dont make sense 🙂 why would he act this way :d

[scarlet barn]

Prob cause when i asked you what cr you are on right now you sneaked in a little lie. Makes peoppe cautious

Other than that, answers to your questions were provided to some extent i guess?

[thick reef]

yes was great answers

would have loved to contuinue

like imagine i dont even have a warrior

would it matter?

and the guy just kept going....

[thick reef]

Truth prevailed?

And am a lier ?

or?

😄

https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Outland/Mx

😄

https://check-pvp.fr/ranking/eu/all-realms/alliance/all-classes/71/all-covenants/rateatmrbg/desc/1

[scarlet barn]

Yea i had your char page opened for awhile

[thick reef]

i knew someone would

was making a point to the troll

Artji

[scarlet barn]

Truth found a way

[thick reef]

open the link agian

While at it send urs and his 😄

[marble marten]

so basically, you're hardstuck negative winrate

in both brackets

[thick reef]

Yes thats why i began the conversation

[scarlet barn]

I did open it

[marble marten]

yeah but, why didn't you learn yet from your mistakes? What's keeping you from identifying your mistakex

you've played plenty of games to recognize them i assume

[thick reef]

I wont

i rather lose tbh now

or go prot

feels better

[thick reef]

Seasne high + second link snap it please

you dont dare

[marble marten]

what does szecond link even prove?

rbg?

[thick reef]

just snap it

[scarlet barn]

I asked current for that reason . I didnt ask season high

[thick reef]

Seasone high

is current

last week was

U CUT IT off

[scarlet barn]

I only showed what was relevant to that message. You currently are 2100 cr in 3s

Am i wrong?

[thick reef]

No

[scarlet barn]

Ok

Just wanted to clear that out

[thick reef]

MMR

Check the conversation with Thrall

Your here to troll

thats

it

and u failed

[scarlet barn]

I am not tbh

Just clearing out what we talked about

Doesnt mean you cant ask questions or anything, not my itnention to bring it out that way

I just like when people are objective

[thick reef]

Listen buddy

u failed

[scarlet barn]

Au contraire. I think i got exactly what i asked for

[thick reef]

Sure you did.

i'm glad

😄

I would never brag but thank you 😛

[wary harbor]

language barrier and jokes on the internet. always a good mix for my lunch break.

[warped warren]

😂

[thick reef]

:P:P

[thick reef]

So Razonko what do you think i should not play the oom game with a Rdruid in 3;s? even if it was a nasty spell cleave?

[warped warren]

sheeesh more games than rating

[thick reef]

The man said practice

i have to

From all of this and what happened iIthink the main question i asked is true

[warped warren]

ye idk what you asked or said

[thick reef]

i said if ppl use cheats or not

[leaden pasture]

did people change from kyrian onto necrolord recently

[marble marten]

ppl don't

[thick reef]

lool

[elder wigeon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-hotfixes-on-9-1-5-ptr-for-october-25th-bestial-wrath-pvp-324628 massive nerfs for BM hunter

[marble marten]

thats not even that massive

[mint tinsel]

I mean it’s a reduction in their damage but hopefully they do more tuning and not just one class

[elder wigeon]

it's a pretty big nerf to bestial wrath damage, everything gets a .8 x 25% modifier instead of a 1.0 x 25% modifier

[spice burrow]

BM should be a PVE spec

nobody enjoys playing against pets in arena

[elder wigeon]

it is, they fuckin parse on you

[spice burrow]

just put a pvp aura on all their shit

and make people play survival/MM

[scarlet barn]

Binding nerf is bigger 👀

[warped warren]

true lolw

actually breaks 😂

[wary harbor]

thats a 5% nerf only during the cd which they have like 45sec cd? Calling that massive seems a little bit too much

[elder wigeon]

You won’t see 20k+ kill shot crits anymore during bw because the base spell is nerfed by 20%

At most you should see like 16k’s

[thick reef]

😒

[lucid walrus]

this interaction gives me dozer vibes

[wary harbor]

15k x 1.25 is 18.75k. 15k x1.2 is 18. dont see how this nerf would amount to 4k less dmg

[elder wigeon]

If a spell does 1000 damage at base and has a 1.25x damage modifier it’s 1250 damage, if it’s instead turned into a .8 modifier on the base damage to 800, 800 x 1.25 = 1000

During bw all spells have a .8 base modifier before amplified by the 25% from bw

[wary harbor]

i think the 25% get reduced by .8

so you only gain 20%

[elder wigeon]

No that’s not how it’s written in the notes

[wary harbor]

oh really?

thought it would reduce the additional % dmg

[elder wigeon]

It gives a list of all the spells affected by the multiplier of .8 during bw

Which is everything

[warped warren]

[elder wigeon]

So during bw everything does .8 before the 25%

Which is why this nerf seems insane

[wary harbor]

so the formular would be basedmg x 0.8 x 1.25?

[elder wigeon]

Yes

[wary harbor]

so bw doesnt give you any dmg anymore

[elder wigeon]

( dmg x .8 ) x 1.25

[wary harbor]

its just utility

[elder wigeon]

Yeah from the looks of it lol

[lucid walrus]

christ

[wary harbor]

sooo.. fear immunity for the pets and?

[warped warren]

great news

because

hubter can suck my nuts

[wheat jay]

@elder wigeon are you sure it goes that way?

literally useless cd now?

[warped warren]

?

how is it useless

[wheat jay]

in terms of dmg

[elder wigeon]

You may be right though that it’s .8 on the 25%, idk how they’re doing it because abilities at base are 1.0 and given multipliers on that, it’s not worded in a way that implies that the bw modifier is being reduced but rather the spells affected by bw are being reduced to .8

[warped warren]

its .8 on the 25%

in ovp

pvp

[wary harbor]

i think the .8 is on the 25% yeah

[warped warren]

yes

[elder wigeon]

It’s worded in the worst possible way then

[warped warren]

u domb or

[wary harbor]

the spells get 25% from bw

but in pvp its only .8

[wheat jay]

so 5% nerf to bw?

[wary harbor]

thats why they are all liated there

[warped warren]

value 25

pvp .8

[elder wigeon]

Just say 20%

[wary harbor]

nah

too easy

[warped warren]

??

its pvp value

[wary harbor]

gotta argue on discord

what elae should i do all day

[warped warren]

not in pve

[wheat jay]

so what's the end result, in pvp bw will give 20% bonus instead of 25%?

[warped warren]

tes

[wary harbor]

yes

[wheat jay]

ok

[warped warren]

yes

[elder wigeon]

I’m glad hunters can break my fear now with bw

I didn’t feel like I was getting bent over enough

[wary harbor]

i mean that was the case already.

they might not have bw bc they just pve rota

[elder wigeon]

Was it? Never seen a hunter do it

[wary harbor]

ye bc its on cd all the time lol

think they have a pvp talent that makes them immune to fear during the buff as well, not just remove the fear

[thick reef]

its already 20% dmf reduced when u taun with def stance

[elder wigeon]

You can’t breathe against jungle damage as warrior

[thick reef]

jungle i sba

cba

i mean 2;s 😄

[elder wigeon]

Especially ssds’ damage

[thick reef]

true

[elder wigeon]

Bestial wrath doesn’t get you or your pets out of any cc right now

Unless there’s a pvp talent

[wary harbor]

the fear part was there for a long time

on the base spell

[elder wigeon]

Yeah in bc

[wary harbor]

see

long time

[elder wigeon]

It doesn’t do that now and hasn’t since mop I think

[wary harbor]

but

its right there in the text in the hotfix

🤔

[elder wigeon]

They’re bringing it back

It’s a buff to bw

In legion they took it away and it hasn’t been there since

[wary harbor]

lol true

just checked the spell on wowhead

thought that was there all along

[elder wigeon]

Nope

[wary harbor]

didnt know bm needed a utility buff in 9.1.5

[elder wigeon]

They’re down in the dumps

[thick reef]

Unhindged on necro? good

am not enjoying enduring

[sharp meteor]

Unhinged for meme all-in 1-shots, usually vs worse players

Or maybe it's good in general vs melee cleaves

I'd still play Enduring in general or misshapen to protect your partner

[nocturne radish]

yeh enduring is rly good sustained when it procs

[wary harbor]

so i did some googling around and it seems this is actually a nerf. 1. bw doesnt get the hunter out of anything, only the pets out of cc. 2. with 9.1.5 it onyl removes fear from the pets and no other cc anymore.

[wicked bison]

any tips for being fury doing arena i just tried my first few and it was bad

[ember rose]

Respec to Arms

[elfin surge]

Respec to Arms

[sharp meteor]

Respec to Arms

[nocturne radish]

respec 2 arms

[elfin valve]

respect 2 arms

[dawn bane]

any tips for being arms doing arena i just tried my first few and it was bad

[raw summit]

uptime

keep them slowed

[quasi lotus]

respec 2 fury

[full quiver]

respec 2 fury

[wicked magnet]

servers up

[warped warren]

respec 2 fury

[thick reef]

XD. Arms is overwhelming for the enemy healer. but no, I have no advice at all 😛

[raw summit]

Is 229ilvl low for ≈1400 bracket

[pastel garden]

For 1400 it's more than enough.

[thick reef]

Speaking of misssharpen take a look 😄

The lock insta died with this new crazy 1 shots their doing

[raw summit]

I hit 1400 for the first time as 229 and wanted to know how ill need before i can go on without being weak to people with more gear

[thick reef]

i would say 400 CR more

Rival gear

[wicked bison]

/wa

anyone got a wa for uh sharpen to tell my dumbself to use it

[raw summit]

Okie ill try get full conq Set on 1400 level

[thick reef]

its a pain in the ass but start with upgrading honor i assume u already have some conq gear

[mint tinsel]

Just keep playing games and learning. You’ll be better off by getting better than just shooting it to a CR you can’t maintain. Play games get gear

[raw summit]

I have i believe wep, shoulders, Belt, hands

But im faar off capping so i can grind the rest out

[thick reef]

You can maintain 1,8 CR. Follow skill capped buddy it will help a lot

or ask ppl here

[raw summit]

Thats exactly where i wanna end up for the elite Set!
Thanks for the encouragement

Ill check them out

[thick reef]

no

😄

they will help alot

dunno about the elite thing

[thick reef]

i'm doing fine lord thank you 🙂

[nocturne radish]

yeh skill is dope such good guides and information

[raw summit]

What i meant is that i want to get good enough to get 1800 rating for the transmog items

[thick reef]

That's his response skill capped will provide you with needed requirements and suggestions they are the best. its up to you though if u try to implement them or not.

[raw summit]

Ohhh i finally get it

Sorry for the confusion

Ill try my best :D

[thick reef]

Good luck ^^

[thick reef]

Lmao

[wheat jay]

?

backtracking 6 hours

[thick reef]

yes was blocked 😄

Glad funny though 😄

[full quiver]

yeah i come up with 5% nef also

assuming formula they've posted is right lol

[thick reef]

XD

Ur a good man scoob

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, BM seems like it's getting a 20% nerf to BW (20% increased dmg down from 25%) but their flayed shot has a chance on use to proc the free kill shot.

[thick reef]

Battle stance it is then 🙂

Any idea when these are coming live?

[wheat jay]

2nd of november

[full quiver]

That's a 5%

I get what what you're saying lol

[sharp meteor]

25% to 20% is a 20% nerf sir

[full quiver]

Yeah but it's an unnecessarily long way to just say 5% less dmg during BW lol

[sharp meteor]

🤔 20% nerf to bw doesn't seem all that convoluted to me

[thick reef]

LOL

[full quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-malone-the-office-say-lot-word-few-word-few-words-gif-15322018

[mint tinsel]

Meant to reply to the dude at 1400 my bad bud

[ember rose]

How did we dodge yet another nerf

[thick reef]

I knew that 🙂

[sharp meteor]

By being balanced, sir.

40k executes are overshadowed by WW instagibs

[mint tinsel]

I mean everyone so far is sliding by except BW from hunters. Or did they add more classes being tuned

[wheat jay]

nice non-crit

game is so fun now

😄

[sharp meteor]

not trying to UA all 3 people is first warning sign

big agony can be coinflip because i can see it being played into comps without decurse

[wheat jay]

i mean, he hit me with 31k one hit

[sharp meteor]

but a dispel on their cds usually negates the whole go

[wheat jay]

🙂

[sharp meteor]

yeah it's super telegraphed though

[wheat jay]

and it wasn't even necro

[sharp meteor]

takes like 10 seconds of seutp

and is all their cds

[scarlet barn]

Frankly

[thick reef]

in 9.1.5 whats the go with arms war ?

[full quiver]

well you'll be able to swap covenants

so it's w/e you want

[heady dust]

hey guys, stat prio is still vers crit for necrolord arms?

[scarlet barn]

[sharp meteor]

Vers > crit/haste

Weight is up to you as to matchup/preference.

[heady dust]

thank you, and sorry!

[sharp meteor]

Probably go for a mix then maybe go back and adjust later if you want to try all of one. Crit feels nice in smurf games where you're trying to end it in the first go.

[thick reef]

Would like to get as many @ Warcraftdev tweets as we can so this doesn’t go live hopefully. This is specifically about Keefers applying to Bonedust brew for ww that is being fixed in 9.1.5. Thanks.

[scarlet barn]

it was still not fast enough

[full quiver]

Doesn't look much diff than it is now lol

[thick reef]

Funny, but it’s a lot worse.

[limpid abyss]

What covenant would you say is the best for Arms warrior, if you were to play arenas with a frost Dk?

[wheat jay]

Probably kyrian

[full quiver]

What he said

[elder wigeon]

necrolord wouldn't be bad

[thick reef]

Kiryan if ur after setups. Necro Can zugzug

why is necro war so good ?

The banner from necro cove which is the warr class abilty

give 500 mastery to urself and ur mate

i thought mastery wasnt that good for war

[sharp meteor]

So Kyrian spear synergies with your whole grip sleet chill streak stun go thing but feels kind of bad if you're struggling to get that setup, it's a lot of pressure on the DK

And it's 400 mastery + 20% str

[thick reef]

its not something you would build but as a buff for 10 sec

its very good

what mastery do for arms warrior is increase the dmg taken to the target that has wounds on him

oh right is it good in 2s?

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

Necro? Feels fine/good. Not sure if Kyrian better.

[thick reef]

yes

but again kiryan would be better

[limpid abyss]

so kyrian would be better even though banner grants him mastery as well

[thick reef]

yes

if my mate war

[sharp meteor]

Maybe? I haven't seen anybody playing TSG

[thick reef]

is necro

[sharp meteor]

They both seem like they'd be fine

[thick reef]

yea t sg isnt played as mucn anymore

and yeah

TSG i would assume atm go necro warr

cause mastery increase frost dmg

unholy tsg is nerco 100%

[sharp meteor]

Like Necro is better reliable goes in general as they buff FDKs dmg but Kyrian can secure them in their combo BUT if they enemy team can scuff your go it can feel rough

[thick reef]

yeh

i have both

[sharp meteor]

spriest fade, can't get them gripped, getting ringed off the spear, etc

[thick reef]

maybe cause i have more exp in kiryan

but it not even comparable

what about venth ?

[sharp meteor]

Just don't

[thick reef]

vynth is good at reducing dmg 😄

[thick reef]

agreed

listen plegos gives u mastery in kiryan if ur after tat

ofc not 500

[sharp meteor]

Queued into one Venth warr recently and it was fine but just seemed like he'd have been better off as either of the other specs

[thick reef]

but good enough

[sharp meteor]

Like he could've pinned us away from his little DH

[thick reef]

yeah his condem reduces ur dmg

[sharp meteor]

Yeah which makes it good for trading face in 2s, and death sentence is nice for running at mages, druids and hunters

[thick reef]

exactly

[sharp meteor]

The dmg and utility just feels kind of underwhelming relative to necro/kyrian imo

[thick reef]

what are u gonna do if the 15% nerf on kiryan leggo happens

[wheat jay]

The nerf is minimal

[sharp meteor]

Oh I don't think that changes much

Need to binge a bunch more turbo games on both covs to see how they both feelin to me

[full quiver]

How the hell did you play 14k games last season lol

I played like 1500

[twilit ridge]

is it possible to play 14k game

[sharp meteor]

Yeah if you queuing a lot and ending games quickly

[limpid abyss]

So I’m guessing necro is better if you have a range dps and Kyrian is better with double melee?

[sharp meteor]

Uhh I almost feel like it's the other way around but it probably depends lol

Like they're both super good and you won't feel bad playing either

[limpid abyss]

Guess I’ll just go kyrian for the set ups. Thanks!

[sharp meteor]

Good luck, friend. Also remember that you need to be in the blue circle for the crit damage buff.

[thick reef]

well, do i have to explain it peronaly in a public chat ? 😄 was competitive + unemployed + Played for the game

[thick reef]

But that has nothing to do with the leggo nerf

😄

I'm 100% sure some peeps broke the100k mark and 200k in 1 ssn

so am nothing

[thick reef]

Raz this need an update buddy

[full quiver]

That is just an unfathomable amount of games to me lol

[thick reef]

That's nothing compared to others

[sharp meteor]

Psure that leo guyt has like 15k played this season but it's his actual job

[thick reef]

if it was my job

i would break 100k

Again #POG

play for the game buddy

[full quiver]

I don't think pikaboo had much more than 16k?

[thick reef]

okay hes very famouse

[full quiver]

I can't remember when I looked at his games though lol

[sharp meteor]

yeahi had a screenshot of his games played last season

[thick reef]

some ppl dont even profit of it do 50lk +

[full quiver]

How high was iy

[sharp meteor]

wish i got paid 400k a year to shitstomp people aat 1600

[full quiver]

Lol

[sharp meteor]

the community is against boosting btw

[thick reef]

LOL

who said anything about boosting

[sharp meteor]

everybody for the past few months for some reason it's weird

[thick reef]

i did 14k last ssn for the game

love it

ppl i know did 50k + for the game

[sharp meteor]

yeah i wanted to queue more but was kinda burnt

[thick reef]

they love it

more like afraid of ur CR dropping

make an alt same class

[sharp meteor]

i already had the dragon and all the elite sets

brain too smol for r1

and carries stressed me out

[thick reef]

carried?
stressyou?

[sharp meteor]

I don't like finding people

I don't like talking to them

[thick reef]

ur sure doing a good job here

[sharp meteor]

heh

[thick reef]

give me ur char name plz

[sharp meteor]

no im shy

[thick reef]

shy of what

when i said no to the troll was making a point am open nnow 😄

And the Beast Thralll 😄

[leaden pasture]

im like 70 renown venthyr should i go necrolord right now or wait till 9.1.5 where they allow dual covenant for arms warrior pvp

[thick reef]

Do it.

[leaden pasture]

kk

[thick reef]

is the requirement for both covenants to be full renown?

[leaden pasture]

i was never necro on my arms warrior so i think theyll let me slide right into that covenant

[thick reef]

its simple i've tried it

[leaden pasture]

kk

[thick reef]

go ahead 😄

enjoy

[leaden pasture]

hey taz in 3v3 do we storm bolt the guy were killing or storm bolt the healer

[sharp meteor]

I'd just get 80 renown then swap on patch

[thick reef]

depends on the comp

what ur playing

[sharp meteor]

depends on comp and circumstances

[thick reef]

i rather u bolt target

and ret or whatever hoj healer

[sharp meteor]

yeah can't dispel bolt so you just send that on kill target and whack them with whatever cds that setup

ret u can fling bolt at healer if ur ret can't hoj them

and they hoj kill target

[thick reef]

that works more complex thu but easier for ret

[sharp meteor]

like ideally i think it's hoj on healer but sometimes difficult to reach

[thick reef]

ur right

[sharp meteor]

other thing is ret freedom+horse telegraphs go rly hard

and if u bolt instantly then ret connects as it's expiring

[thick reef]

like i would say almost every comp i bolt target

[sharp meteor]

yeah

had a few games where I sent bolt on the healer because our kill target was out of gas but the healer had something

but in general just kill target almost off cd

[thick reef]

yeah got ur point

[sharp meteor]

bolt>spear/doomwinds

flex bolt

repeat

[thick reef]

u play with enh

[sharp meteor]

almost exclusively ya

[thick reef]

never reakky took it seriousley

[sharp meteor]

he was settin up ret and warr

and I'm setting up a ret as well

[leaden pasture]

kk

[thick reef]

but i feel enh is easily couinterable

[sharp meteor]

but yeah tldr is send bolt on kill target and try to align with cds

[thick reef]

tanky though

[sharp meteor]

and keep it somewhat scripted because if you hold bolt too long it throws stuff off

[thick reef]

XD

throw when gates open then hold

[sharp meteor]

turb feels kinda fried because usually we just go without anything on healer

[thick reef]

save sharpen too dont keep it on CD

[sharp meteor]

and yeah sharpen big heal if possible

and don't ms into sharpen

[thick reef]

what

no ur complicating the thing

just save sharpen with ur go

[sharp meteor]

timing in go is important

sharpen on non-healing target while their healer in cc is wasted

[thick reef]

i know but ut like 5k

[sharp meteor]

or less efificent than a sharpen as they're coming out

vs ret or enh where u just send it

because they heal themselves

[thick reef]

yeah war /ret atm he saves his disarm for sharpen

where am at

[sharp meteor]

i like all the class envy on ladder where warriors disarm each other insta

and my sham just ascends and kills them

[thick reef]

that amazed me it was a ncie one

and they one

won

[sharp meteor]

lot more people running duel which is neat

i love 10 minute retwarr games

[thick reef]

i do that but wow if ur the target what a fuck up...,

[elfin valve]

is there any noice catch up gear tricks y’all use? have 1800 xp and made a second war but it’s freeeesh 60 and im j dying in 100% of every pvp scenario

[proven maple]

Yep. It’s good only if they continue to tunnel ret

[sharp meteor]

tricks? uh there's 200 gear from AH, single 230 piece, then I just do daily bg/ebg wins whenever i can

in ranked u just need volume of wins at any rating, ideally super low for fast matches

this is where having a big friend helps

[elfin valve]

that’s kinda what I’m doin just super slow. maybe big friend is the move

friends tho 😐

[sharp meteor]

it's possible without gear on either of you just bit more time consuming

grind out games at 1200 mmr

because honor gear is super inefficient and gross

[elfin valve]

Yea I’m sub 30k hp so, might need to just focus some pve gear real quick

[sharp meteor]

korthia + wqs for ilev and conduits as well

korthia armaments

[elfin valve]

oh shit armaments, completely forgot

[sharp meteor]

yeah i usually shoot like 10 over to a fresh alt then buy boes to fill the gaps

and a 230 chest or helm with vers/x stats

but for my initial games on alt warr i had to play with hunters and mages

[elfin valve]

solid, that should help esp if I can snag a weapon and maybe upgrade a few korthia items

[sharp meteor]

because no healers wanted me

[elfin valve]

yea I just do zero pressure dmg rn so healing feels pointless

unless we get worse geared teams for the weeklies

[sharp meteor]

yeah any scrap of gear is good

[warm pollen]

so i just got neck and waist with socket from vault
wich one more relevant ?
im stacked vers crit but i they both are haste vers

@sharp meteorgot any idea? lol

@high veldt

[sharp meteor]

go waist

higher budget and free socket

crit and haste are both good

[warm pollen]

neck has +41 avoidance too

[simple rock]

yeah but it's pretty rare that I'll actually use bs during cds unless i'm avoiding disarm or something

[warm pollen]

@sharp meteor

[sharp meteor]

Tertiary stats don't function in rated play.

[warm pollen]

im full duelist also

😮

so basically it doesnt matters any of those 2

[simple rock]

cleave though you let it rip

[warm pollen]

@sharp meteor should i use full versa gems for pvp?

i have all of them giving me crit

[sharp meteor]

I don't know, actually.

I use full vers because I think that it's still the best.

But I know some people have opted into haste or crit.

We only lose 10% gainz on secondaries over 30% so bis stat (by far) shoudl still be bis

[elder wigeon]

chad stats

[warm pollen]

@elder wigeonwho that

kyrian ?

[elder wigeon]

my stats

yeah

[warm pollen]

nice

similar to mine but i dont have so much mastery

36 vers 22 crit 11 mastery 7 haste

[elder wigeon]

my necrolord stats

[sharp meteor]

and this might sound kinda oldschool but having a swing timer can be helpful

[undone sage]

gotta figure out how to get hunters as kyrian

seems like they exist in 2s just to snipe warr teams

[simple rock]

how do you enjoy 0 haste kyrian

[sharp meteor]

so there's hitting them hard enough to force feign to stop dmg, then spearing. or spear to bait feign, then maledict or vice versa

swapping to the pet when the hunter is covered with hots/thorns

or hard swap to their rdruid

if priest healer train them

[full quiver]

Disc priest healer

Training holy priest bad

[sharp meteor]

i have had a pretty okay time with both specs but i usually just go them because i can't be bothered dealing with hunter shenanigans

and with rdruid healer it's usually fine

spears on hunter and his main pet also allows for clear opportunities

[full quiver]

Wait for disengage, close distance again, send male, 99% of hunters will FD insta

[sharp meteor]

yeah i should play male vs some stuff but i don't

[full quiver]

Then you just spear him and pet with bolt, blow everything, they have to turtle or use a ton of shit

[sharp meteor]

oh and pet even easier target if ur witha priest or rsham because they can purge the mend pet, shear hardcast heals, etc

[thick reef]

Reflect leggo will help with those 2. they will panic

[sharp meteor]

yeah on necro warr i play reflect

[thick reef]

by default :D?

sounds cool

[sharp meteor]

no I'm too dumb

enduring is general pick for me

[thick reef]

i see

i play reflect as kiryan thu

with those

[sharp meteor]

healer sitting exactly zero traps feels nice

[thick reef]

it reflects the trap and cyclone

[sharp meteor]

or like the one trap is without bestial and I'm topped with hots before it lands

the range on the teammate reflect throws a lot of casters too

[thick reef]

20%- reduce dmg

[full quiver]

Nah you just alternate banner and parry

Big spear is too good

[thick reef]

yeah i think i can manage a bow without

it

[undone sage]

damn fair enoughs, seems like every time u do a go on the druid, he prebarks or whats it called

[thick reef]

blow*

[undone sage]

ok so gotta play maledict vs the hunt

[sharp meteor]

i mean with rdruid healer as in you're playing with the rdruid

which destroys hunters

[undone sage]

hmm, im lost O_O

[full quiver]

Definitely don't need reflect if you are kyrian warrior with rdruid vs hunter

[thick reef]

i do need it more effective

for me

[full quiver]

Just follow your lord and savior magnus

[thick reef]

He is indeed

what would magnus do abefore everygame

[sharp meteor]

I'm saying rdruids style of healing destroys enemy hunters

unless they're pressuring your druid until he hots himself, letting the hots fall off you, then trap him and swap to you

[thick reef]

once he gets reflected and his pets taunted

he swaps

[sharp meteor]

usually, anyways. sometimes hunter gets 3 back to back kill shot procs and they all crit

[thick reef]

then i shine

yeah that ofc happens 😄

i tried it vs jungle too

i dont recommend it dude

😄

go with ur spear

[undone sage]

oh damn, nop im playing with priest

rdruid hunt vs me with priest, is seeming very hard

(disci priest)

[sharp meteor]

hm

[thick reef]

/afk

[sharp meteor]

that's rough

[undone sage]

hehe that bad? 😅

[thick reef]

presure mate

[sharp meteor]

idk i avoid disc because mirrors tilt me

[thick reef]

as much as u can

[sharp meteor]

aarms/disc vs arms/rdruid feels like the hardest afk

[thick reef]

:p

[undone sage]

indeed the pressure thing sounds about right

[full quiver]

You can do big swap on druid with spear into mind games into shackle

But yoy need big spear or there's no shot you kill druid lol

[undone sage]

atm he is playing NF

so only thing preventing us from getting 2.1 atm is that

hunt / rdruid or hunt prot pala. etc

[sharp meteor]

nf isn't bad at all

[undone sage]

something about, slightly better sustain

[sharp meteor]

yeah

[undone sage]

but he rly wants mind games so, yep

some druids die, others precast something and dont go below 40%

[sharp meteor]

or they press their full heal button that tops them through mind games and mortal strike

on the off chance your go wasn't super squeaky clean

[undone sage]

probs yep, tho we dont have mindgames atm

[warped warren]

yeah

[thick reef]

focrce a fade

meldic

[undone sage]

stun -> spear -> WB -> BS -> Sharpen MS -> Execute / overpower (if i feel im gonna get stunned - cancel varies on HP / position of other guy. etc)
stun -> spear -> WB -> MS -> BS (cancel midway) -> MS -> Execute / overpower (if it feels safe to not get peeled)

[thick reef]

@sharp meteor Mate i dont like enduring blow on my necro wha tother choicesess do i have?

[undone sage]

if u dont like it at all, i thing unhinged for things without extra adds/pets, or battle lord

[thick reef]

warbreaker before or after spear dont matter just apply the wounds

[sharp meteor]

battlelord, misshapen?

and why not like enduring it's rly nice

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

sephuz even

[thick reef]

whenever the debuff applies i pop CDs usualy failed

and the proc are not high

how about unhundged?

[sharp meteor]

Idk I only played it last season

probably has potential?

bursting single target or just cleaving with bs vs melee cleave

[warped warren]

??

[scarlet barn]

It isnt that big tbh. Yeah you can burst bit higher when you use bs but it gets devalued when more targets like pets are present

Because they might eat the proc

[sharp meteor]

Yeah I was spitballing it into maybe like an enemy melee cleave

or meme carry 1-shots as it's 2 quick mortal strikes on a hopefully isolated target that can proc mortal combo

[sacred pelican]

better healer for arms/ret, disc or holy?

[elder wigeon]

in this meta? neither

get a rdruid or rsham or bust

but if I had to play with one, disc

[marble marten]

theres multiple arms ret disc/holy on EU at 3.1

i'd suggest holy

[median shuttle]

Do you guys reckon venthyr gains any value over kyrian in 2v2 specifically? Or kyrian still bis

Soulbinds are pretty shit I guess

[simple rock]

venthyr pumps and is better vs some popular 2s specs

like bm hunter and holy priest

[elfin valve]

[hasty hollow]

I was just gonna ask about this. Whether going with Venthyr as opposed to Kyrian or Mal was shooting myself in the foot or not.

[simple rock]

I think if you only do 2s or focus it then venthyr is a fine choice

but it lags behind in 3s for sure

[hasty hollow]

I’m not really pushing high rating or anything so it probably doesn’t matter too much. (I hope). I’ve got two other toons in Kyrian lol

[simple rock]

yeah it's still arms lol

you'll be fine

[wicked magnet]

i dont like venthyr at all and i love condemn, ur welcome to give it a try though but those soulbinds make me want to throw up

[sharp meteor]

the 28% vers proc is nice but otherwise eh yeah

also armor nerf and execute buff just makes other other covenants so appealing

[thick reef]

Head to head 2's mirror vynth vs another spec vynth might have leverage since the reduction dmg

[thick reef]

Love the UI

[thick reef]

You can really push high as vynth as well. its still good,

[trail palm]

For those of you who do 2's as arms -- do you generally pick one target and stick to them, or do you find yourselves switching targets often? I always try to operate of reaching what target I can and applying as much pressure as possible, but was told off by a rdruid I pugged with last night for not sticking to a single target. Wondering if I'm in the wrong.

[sharp meteor]

Whatever's efficient. If you can turn and hit somebody after your original target uses a defensive then great. If you're going to have to burn mobility and will potentially lose uptime then just keep hitting into it. Usually it's doing whatever you can to maximize output.

Another example is smaller things, like hots. Druid covered their partner with hots/bark, and doesn't have any on themselves? Might be a decent time to smack them. Most good druids will position in such a way that you can't easily swap to them, but it's just an example.

[thick reef]

sometimes there is no script make sure you keep hitting anything chase while doing nothing, cant connect to dudu massive swap to his DD

[thick reef]

Also make sure you take @sharp meteor Advice as a priority. As I'm kinda dog shit in 2's

[thick reef]

@sharp meteor whos the self deprecating warrior now?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah dam is king so just always be hitting something

[thick reef]

can i stack mastery as priority i tired it & failed but was not a consistent try, i just keep having the feeling it will work

[fickle forge]

Matchup dependant

[thick reef]

its like am on non-sto[ avatar

😄

[trail palm]

Appreciate the feedback, thanks ya'll.

[elfin surge]

no

[limber night]

this is like the best counter to druids, even if you dont get a quick kill there, you've blown a ton of their mana in swapping things over to the new target

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, swapping off hots feels good. What sucks is that most of the time in 2s the healer can position himself to be unable to be swapped to without commiting stuff.

[thick reef]

mast isnt rly good for warr

should rather stack crit or haste

its ok but the real reason why we love banner is prob cuz of our partner making better use of it but we still do it hit hard which is cool abt it im glad they reworked it

[sharp meteor]

I kind of want to test Mastery but don't want to dump conq when I can mail it to alts hm

[wheat jay]

mastery doesn't work

it's the worst stat for warrior in pvp

unless you want to troll your team and go for "big hits" with full mastery, then you might have some fun with it

but then why would you troll your team?

[thick reef]

Not only fun, how about a secondary going 17 crit and 15 mastery for example dont u think that 5% willl affect?

naa wtf am i talking about 😄

[warped warren]

nty

[ancient sonnet]

looks legit

[sharp meteor]

нет

[hasty hollow]

Looks dope af ngl

[mint tinsel]

What just happened in this clip? Bone dust, serenity and mastery and 2 35k RSK?

[ember rose]

Also on juice from the resto

[sharp meteor]

MM buffs, BM buffs for some reason, Bonedust nerf

Pet rez down to 3 from 4 and can't dispel mend pet hmm

[wheat jay]

Good changes :)

[full quiver]

oh shit

that's a big nerf

[floral ingot]

+resto kyrian lego

[thick reef]

Hello! Anyone pvping with fury?

I also PvP with arms but I'm having more fun with fury , and got easily 1800 at 2s as kyrian. But I'm not rly sure about what soulbind should I go with. Any suggestions?

[sharp meteor]

Not sure, both Fury Warriors I've queued into this season were Necro.

All three for Kyrian seem like they have potential, though.

[elder wigeon]

binding shot is busted change my mind

[sharp meteor]

It does feel kind of awkward to sit there and get pelted for eight seconds

[graceful quarry]

just freedom it

[dawn bane]

it's dispelable

[cursive jay]

Heyo , is it worth using movement speed and speed gems instead of vers gems?

[elder wigeon]

yes

[warped warren]

yeah

[wicked magnet]

wait what? is there another movement speed gem aside from straddling?

[warped warren]

5% + x ms per sl gem

[wicked magnet]

5% the one called straddling sage agate?

ill give that one a try

doesnt work

well at least doesnt show in default ui

[warped warren]

get deja

it shows

[wicked magnet]

ok it does work, i timed lapse around oribos, shaved off 5 seconds with the 5%

laps*

[warped warren]

x

d

[lucid walrus]

there's the 3% one too

straddling viridium iirc

[full quiver]

Just play gnome like a chad

[wicked magnet]

damn little undergeared 215 monk took 60% of my hp in like 3 seconds while i was in dstance

have any of you tried that lost ark game? might give that a shot

na closed beta suppose to be real soon

[sharp meteor]

Nope. Nearing the point where I'll try something new for a bit, though. This season looks like it could drag on for another few months.

[jaunty furnace]

Oh the rating requirement is jumping up a lot for the elite pvp set

Going to make A LOT of people mad

[sharp meteor]

Elite sets used to be 2.2k

Then they were knocked down to 2k

1950 is preferable to 1800

[twilit ridge]

This

things shouldn't be so easy to obtain or given out. Should have to push yourself and earn things IMO

And bring back class sets

[sharp meteor]

I just thought that 2k was the sweet spot where it's not trivially easy and also not unapproachably difficult.

[wheat jay]

they are bringing class sets back in 9.2

[sharp meteor]

Most likely thing is that this is all a bug and elite sets are still 1800 but whatever.

Yes.

[wheat jay]

and yes, sets imo should be 2k

[twilit ridge]

2K is fair

[twilit ridge]

👀

[wheat jay]

they said so many times before

so

[sharp meteor]

At least that's what they've said. 9.2 probs in like March or something.

[wheat jay]

ye

[twilit ridge]

It just sucks to see everyone wear the same thing

[sharp meteor]

1800 and one set per armor type makes it feel kind of

not all that special

[twilit ridge]

you should be able to be like "oh shit that's a warrior, that's a pally, rogue, etc"

[wheat jay]

if it was 2k you'd see a lot of people use it as well 🙂

[sharp meteor]

I think wod s1 had the best model.

2k, class sets, AND they had unique pieces. It was the raid set (recolored) plus unique helm/shoulders.

[twilit ridge]

The WoD elite set is my fav

[sharp meteor]

Second best was Legion where it's 2k, class sets and a cool tint of the mythic raid set.

[twilit ridge]

I really like the mop one too

I forget which season

and I think it was either the elite axe/sword

didn't play warrior yet tho sadly

[lilac totem]

Is fury warrior viable at all in pvp atm?

[wheat jay]

technically

every spec is viable

fury is less viable than anything else tho 🙂

[warped warren]

🙂

[hushed tinsel]

So 9.1.5 Arms is pretty much looking like Necro > venthyr with Battlelord or Enduring Blow hey??

[sharp meteor]

Fury is playable, but it's the same class as Arms which is elder god tier

[full quiver]

Leveling alt as fury and it's just a shit version of DH imo lol

[dense ruin]

what are necro stat prios?

[mint tinsel]

Verse then haste I think. Crit and mastery but also probably up to how it feels

[warped warren]

vers haste

[jolly marsh]

Pelagos, Kleia, or Mikanikos? Which do you guys prefer?

[warped warren]

merelith

[elder wigeon]

kleia and mikanikos are matchup specific imo

kleia is good into cleaves, so is mikanikos, but, kleia is best for assassination rogues and ferals with ascendant phial and hope springs eternal.

[full quiver]

@elder wigeon do u have a pic of the kleia layout you use for those

[elder wigeon]

I don't but I can get it

@full quiver

[full quiver]

Ok thanks that's how I set mine up to

Haven't actually used it vs jg or assaa yet lol

[sharp meteor]

I think that I just played Mika every game

Should probably try Kleia more

[wheat jay]

Daily #freeCalibri

The man that provided good feedback and advice in terms of pvp

Banned without receving any explanation

[elfin valve]

when do we move from asking nicely to actively making this channel suck until our demands are met

explain or reinstate pls mods

[wheat jay]

We're not actively making this channel suck

And never have been

And never will

Everyone giving good feedback and knowledge was just chased away :)

No pvp SF either

[elfin valve]

well that’s fair just was ready to grab a pitchfork and be rowdy

[wheat jay]

Used to be 2

[wheat jay]

I doubt it would do anything

#pvp just got nuked

With no prospects for any recovery

[elfin valve]

are you asking me to dedicate my life to becoming rank 1 arms and rank 1 fury and bring us back to glory

because I cannot

despite trying for years I’m skill capped at like…1820

[wheat jay]

Not asking you to do anything :)

Channel can be great again

But that's not up to us

Its up to blues

[elder wigeon]

it's not really our call, we don't own the discord, it is public but ultimately it's their decision, I don't come here to hang out like before but I just answer some questions once in a while

[leaden pasture]

what do you guys recommend as a venthyr warrior i have executioner 235 leggo or should i wear a 190 leggo painbringer i am condemn venthyr to push 2v2

[full quiver]

Respeccing kyrian

[sharp meteor]

Executioner can add some nice burst to your goes

[leaden pasture]

ok ty self

[sharp meteor]

If you're orc there's also just playing sephuz

[steady mantle]

hey guys. i didnt play since s1 pvp and having 1800 gear in my bank (220gs). id like to start again to play some pvp but im wondering about my gear choices now.

do i go into (r)bgs with my s1 220 pvp gear or with my current 247 pve gear without versa? and how to upgrade? getting those new honor items to upgrade or just keep farming conq points and only get this stuff?

[median shuttle]

Either way you should skip honour gear

[steady mantle]

ok.
and how to go into bgs now? 247 pve gear or 220 pvp?^^

[elfin valve]

how much vers are we talking

[scarlet barn]

247 def

For bgs there are many groups that just zug zug so might as well go for them

Get conquest up, honor, start buying gear

[mint tinsel]

You should be aiming for 100% uptime on hamstring right? 17% uptime a bit low?

[scarlet barn]

That is almost non existant uptime friend. Yes keep it on target

[nocturne radish]

i do the same lord i forget too myself and have aorund that %

[graceful quarry]

fix that

asap

[wicked magnet]

try tellmewhen you can setup custom alerts and stuff for things

[full quiver]

Just go do 2s, you can easily get 1800 at 220

[nocturne radish]

yeh i need to do that can prob find a good weak aura from wago

[wicked magnet]

i have one that if target is a hostile player and im in combat and hamstring and piercing howl have less than 1 second on it then it will play a really annoying sound every second xD

[nocturne radish]

KEKW i should get it

i dont play with sound on all the time i should prob but stupid question can people in ur discord hear ur ingame sound if its on through disc Not sure If they cant or can depending on if its too high

[wicked magnet]

they cant as long as you have your microphone selected rather that stereo mix or something like that

unless its being picked up by your mic

the icon also shakes violently so even if my sound is off its still easily noticed

[nocturne radish]

ahhh

[wicked magnet]

if you get tellmewhen i think i can share with you the export code for just that icon

[nocturne radish]

ok sure

tbh i have trouble with them sometimes im not the best at awareness of whats going on beside me in the arena so i might miss to react a cd or to make use of a weak aura on my screen its just me tho prob need to get used to using em more

[wicked magnet]

im the same way my awareness sucks so i use a bunch of tellmewhen things to make up for it

[nocturne radish]

Yeah that sounds p sweet tbh ill def try it ou twill get one for snares and some other sutff prob too

[wicked magnet]

its very easy to work with, its like an easymode weakauras

[warped warren]

[sharp meteor]

dang

[wheat jay]

Or just

Press hamstring

Get a habit of applying it

[sharp meteor]

i remember in legion i bash cloned a guy behind a pillar

and his warrior on the opposite side of the arena pressed reflect

[wheat jay]

Manki see manki do

[sharp meteor]

like tap clone once anywhere in the arena even for a second and every warr reflected and every dk ams'd it was great

[warped warren]

https://clips.twitch.tv/KindSpineyPancakeCclamChamp-FVYNK-5zF871mY2m

like this or?

[nocturne radish]

LMAO

[sharp meteor]

lmao

yeah just triggering the sound file so warrior player monkey brain hits their reflect

i also bound the fire eaters vial into kidney which actually baits sub duelist trinkets before i vendetta

[warped warren]

imagine not having a woooshhhh aura for vendetta lmaoooo

[sharp meteor]

BING BING AWOOGA RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL

-fog horn-

[blazing carbon]

Is shackles worth it?

on a warrior?

[sharp meteor]

doesn't feel like a warr trinket to me

[warped warren]

no

poopoo

[sharp meteor]

like I've seen people get value off it

but I just prefer insignia for throughput/sustain, badge for big spear goes and battlemaster for living

[full quiver]

Can be good vs ret/war if your whole team runs it

[warped warren]

lemoa

[robust shore]

how do you play against jungle as ret war?

ie kill target etc

[mint tinsel]

Alright thanks I thought so

[fluid axle]

where is the pvp rotation for arms warrior on this forum

[sharp meteor]

[fickle forge]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arms-warrior-pvp-rotation-and-playstyle

[fluid axle]

what im doing rn is charge, bolt, warbreaker, spear, sharpen, mortal strike, double over power

[sharp meteor]

u don't have to bolt immediately

it's possible to just get a slow up, wounds, overpower stacks etc

[mint tinsel]

Yeah I was told hamstring first global after charge

[full quiver]

i just macro hamstring into every ability

and ignore pain into mortal strike and over power

so i don't have to think about them

[fluid axle]

im gonna try that, add hamstring to OP and MS, although i wouldnt add ignore pain to OP as I need the rage for execute. maybe 2 op keybinds

[scarlet barn]

Please dont

[sharp meteor]

why would u even consider trying to bind hamstring into ms and op

[ancient sonnet]

they both still cost rage...

[nocturne radish]

i bind it to charge where it wont charge if im not in range so instead it hamstrings

[sharp meteor]

yeah that's what I did

[nocturne radish]

yeah its p simple if ur far u use it to charge and if ur close u use i to maintain distance so u dont have to charge haha