pvp

[warm plinth]

maybe ill play some when conquest is uncapped

[jovial torrent]

yeh it is a shame all the conquest i would be earning if it was uncapped goes in the bin

would have alot of those conquest rng chests to send to alts

[warm plinth]

pvp gearing in general is pretty shitty

[elfin surge]

hello bald people

[lavish quest]

Why does he only greet Afro?

[jovial torrent]

im top 1% in solo shuffle give me my title plz , hola mud

[green wharf]

hes also greeting himself

kinda narcisistic

[elfin surge]

you deserve nothing!

[urban skiff]

One of the TWW seasons my one shaman had 42k conquest earned by season end

and so many games played before conq cap was lifted

[jovial torrent]

sorry sir il get back to washing your boots now

[urban skiff]

I kind of wish we could bank it

[jovial torrent]

yeh, it is a shame we cant stock up on the rng boxes

[urban skiff]

even if it was just at a 1:10 rate or something

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lose-you-get-nothing-empty-good-day-sir-mad-gif-16171682

[jovial torrent]

when conq is uncapped i may just blast 2v2 to farm conq, it seems to be waaay better than any other mode for just raw conq/h

that is if i dont have like 30k of healer conquest banked by then

[solemn elm]

i spam 3v3 and i end up with like 40k conquest

[fickle forge]

Yo guys I am really having fun in M+ right now

Arms is an amazingly designed spec

[solemn elm]

love arms rotation in pve man

[fierce elm]

awful

I was just ragebaiting

After a certain point gatekeeping stuff is weird

[jovial torrent]

[wheat jay]

whats the issue

cleave is basically aoe mortal strike

soooooo ye

also can you send overall and not one pack??????????

you ragebaiting fuck

[stuck mulch]

is it free tho. or just awful lag fest

[solemn elm]

awful lag fest

[stuck mulch]

[solemn elm]

just play arena for conquest like anybody would

i don’t recommend those battlegrounds to anybody unless you have a super computer

[urban skiff]

both

you get your conquest and brawl quest completion from doing the side content

there's also quests inside that aren't the same as in epic bg ashran

it's great for alts

and it's fun most of the time

[solemn elm]

if you sit there and do it you can get the question to kill the faction leader and some honor quest i guess

[stuck mulch]

being a paladin in silvermoon is great, you get glazed by the npc all the time

man not being 270 ilvl sure is annoying, hard to get into hc raid runs

[green wharf]

pve people love the degen of spam cleave

[wheat jay]

yo

@copper fox turbo for apes, friend is asking what healer would be best

[lavish quest]

Fw

Wouldn't it?

[green wharf]

MW/resto

[fickle forge]

It literally doesn't change for overall lmao

[green wharf]

hpal?

[wheat jay]

see i asked methyl

cuz he probably knows

also, in light of recent monk nerfs

[lavish quest]

Doesn't trust me

Smh

Mw was the only healer in awc. Surely it's the play

[copper fox]

Rdruid after the mw nerfs

Clone makes turbo a whole tier better

[fierce elm]

Didn't they catch a flat 5% nerf too

[elfin surge]

pres

i swear pres is insane rn

[wheat jay]

okay but like, one answer

one definite answer

[elfin surge]

I am unable to read the future sorry

please try again

[wheat jay]

okay, what would you play with now as turbo

if its not monk cuz its getting nerfed

cuz rn its monk probably lol

[elfin surge]

Mistweaver is the best healer for turbo now

[wheat jay]

getting big nerfs

2nd pick

[wheat jay]

ye

[elfin surge]

I am unable to tell the future sorry

please try again

[wheat jay]

ok, but 2nd pick now

not in future

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-look-robot-robot-stare-gif-7330364892007281199

i like pres

[wheat jay]

good enough

[elfin surge]

maybe disc might be good but only the priests that can heal cleaves

which is like

none

[silk hamlet]

hey dudes I screwed up and bought the wrong laquer and made my legs 289 instead of just buying glad legs and saying eff the 4p. Should I be a week behind, and buy the glad legs and build right, or just send it and put the conq into other stuff and keep my bad 289 set legs?

[urban skiff]

no fuck no

keep raising your average ilvl and accept one piece is slightly worse stats

[stuck mulch]

finally got into a hc raid

now to get stuck on the first boss

[fierce elm]

Voidspire?

[stuck mulch]

yeah

[fierce elm]

The first boss is just a tank mechanic and you just do damage lmao

Actually, all bosses are like that until the dragons

[stuck mulch]

tell that to the lobotomy tanks

[fierce elm]

yeah we are pretty stupid

[stuck mulch]

LeTs STaND In TeH OrB

[fierce elm]

HEY @wheat jay 15?

[fierce elm]

You stand in the orb

the soak orb

The only mechanic is literally tic tac toe

[stuck mulch]

soaks my damage thats what it does when they do it when the boss do no dmg

takes*

[fierce elm]

(Not that I don't wipe our raid daily)

[wheat jay]

raiding now 🙁

ngl

[fierce elm]

rude

[wheat jay]

id much rather do 15 xD

[north thicket]

This might also include poor man's Gladiator mounts https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/two-new-achievements-coming-to-mythic/2291546

[wheat jay]

BUT

i did get 99 logs on 1st boss 😄

not washed anymore 🙏

[urban skiff]

what the fuck is going on

[copper fox]

I don’t think it’s pres

Mud plays with rev pres so that’s a bad way to compare

[fierce elm]

Rdruid catching damage buff and healing buff

[copper fox]

Yep

[urban skiff]

the fuck

[green anchor]

mogged

[jovial torrent]

wana do a couple 2's zerch if mendora wants break?

[lavish quest]

Meth is saying mud is getting carried

[copper fox]

No he’s just playing with one of the best pres in NA

lol

[lavish quest]

So same thing

[frail lake]

Im tired of all the mages and warlocks man

[lavish quest]

Just different words

Not to mention, Pres literally carries you (rescue. Haha aren't I so funny?)

[fierce elm]

@jovial torrent hey man

what are the good delves right now to level in

you have done the most of that out of anyone here

Kargish refuses to ask

[fickle forge]

@jovial torrent How do I level bro?

[lavish quest]

Shadowguard point, calamitous story

[fickle forge]

It is not there

[lavish quest]

GGs

Probably the same one, but just less efficient. But choppah can take it from here

[urban skiff]

hang on

we're negotiating right now

[jovial torrent]

do all delvs at 80-81 then wait for calamitus delve

in void place

[urban skiff]

@jovial torrent let's go

[jovial torrent]

im havintg a metnal breakdown inshuffle

so much instant cc

[fierce elm]

don't tell him this

he can't wait

he needs to get his shit together

but he refuses to just go prot and level normally

[lavish quest]

Can mass pull the other stories. Just not as good

Or quest

[green wharf]

see ya later newbs imma go to the gym rizz the girls

[urban skiff]

Mental breakdown 🚫

Metal breakdown ✅

[mighty kernel]

Is there any optimism about slayer once 12.0.5 ships or nah?

[fierce elm]

Someone get the 8 ball out

[green anchor]

Someone get the cabal out

[fierce elm]

But probably no

[lavish quest]

XAL_DOUBT

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm it's starting early this time

[jovial torrent]

in shuffle jsut few more min

[fierce elm]

Naa one week before is normal

[jovial torrent]

its so disgusting my lobby atm

its pet stun into trap into clone clone , disoreant roar druidstun

[urban skiff]

so rdruid bm and ?

[mighty kernel]

I just asked if anyone’s optimistic lol my bad gang.

[fierce elm]

naa you good man lmao

[urban skiff]

chill, it's fine

[fierce elm]

Honestly, warrior isn't receiving much in terms of change so far

However, there is most likely a balance patch AFTER 12.0.5

but 'rework' wise or changing things, no

[wheat jay]

like 99% its coming

hopefully dh buffs

xD

[urban skiff]

we just had a discussion the other day about how predictable warrior discord behaves when there's any tiny changes to any hero talent or any of the specs

[wheat jay]

monk nerfs

and sub nerfs

[mighty kernel]

Probably just a result of being desperate I imagine.

Self included obvi

[urban skiff]

12.0.5 contains the reworks, probably we'll see 2 pve balance patches and 1 pvp balance patch focused mostly on anything that received reworks and anything that needs tuning that doesn't require reworks to be fine

[lavish quest]

Not in this chat pal. And you'd be best to remember that

[mighty kernel]

This has been a helpful lesson learned. 🤣🤣

[jovial torrent]

rdruid bm ele spriest rogue, getting ruined by cc

[urban skiff]

I'm betting we'll see one big pve pass, one "big" pvp pass and a final small pve pass. The pvp pass will be the last chance anything changes this season

[lavish quest]

I'll convince MUD to rename this channel to #doomers-anonymous eventually

[mighty kernel]

I’m into that

[urban skiff]

if rdruid has time to follow up CC with clones there's not enough happening tbh

[jovial torrent]

i wish i had recording setuop

i just got hit by ns clone, stun, stun , instant disorient all from the druid

[urban skiff]

I just run with the Warcraft Recorder app

[jovial torrent]

i cant see u on friends list can u inv me

[urban skiff]

takes 5 mins to set up and whenever it's running it'll auto record only your games and nothing else

just updating my recorder

[jovial torrent]

np, ur name was grey on list so couldnt spot u

[solemn elm]

was trying it with hpala was good too

while mw was broken too

[urban skiff]

Shame the clip is so choppy

[jovial torrent]

mnn i dunno what to buy shoulders and gloves for mroe conq spent or with shoulders with bracers for gemslot but less conq spend

[junior peak]

Tried sub rogue.. I think I just suck

The lobby started to train me cause they knew it lmao

[stuck mulch]

me too brother. me too

[junior peak]

Maybe try outlaw but there’s just too much going on

I can’t be like pikaboo

And fury is just blast blast, which is fun

[urban skiff]

I mean, that's how it goes

[junior peak]

Got surprisingly good at fury, but the higher lobbies just cancel me out

[urban skiff]

you listen to the wrong poeople when they say sub is braindead

[lavish quest]

Cancel them out harder

[urban skiff]

you should play better

[junior peak]

Brother Leland, the casters have too many things in their kit to counter me. Sadly only playing perfect and them messing up is a win for me

[urban skiff]

By rerolling BM

[jovial torrent]

arms seems stronger at high end

[junior peak]

Warlock can gate out of spears, which is crazy

[jovial torrent]

had a few arms 6-0 around 1900

[wheat jay]

People still deluding themselves into thinking arms is weak?

Sheesh

[lavish quest]

You need to put them on the backfoot and quickly

[lavish quest]

Arms f tier. Pls boof

[junior peak]

I do, but I’m slowed, rooted etc constantly

I hamstring when I can.. seems to be a bug where it doesn’t apply either

[wheat jay]

Unironically arms one of the best specs in pvp

[mellow venture]

arms just needs a pvp talent for spell cleave comps

[wheat jay]

I wouldn't be surprised if arms got a small nerf in the next balance patch

Not rly expecting it

But it wouldnt surprise me

[lavish quest]

Nah, still got like 5 specs better than it at myself

[fierce elm]

@wheat jay we got a healer for 1%

Leveling this bitch rn

[junior peak]

But rogue was fun to level, and then by the time you hit 90 you’re burnt out on the character lmao

[mellow venture]

they should at least fix rebound so it reflects two spells

[wheat jay]

??????

[fierce elm]

Our healer is rdruid don't worry

[wheat jay]

Holy fuck that monk wshit scared me lol

[fierce elm]

LMFAO

[wheat jay]

Well, im down for that you know it

[worldly oriole]

WOWS a fuckin ghost town lol

[fierce elm]

So we need 2 more DPS

I think I have one more DPS

[wheat jay]

I'll work on getting a 17 resil or something

Well, 15 first xD

Oh btw if you clear chimaerus and 1st mythic boss, vault apparently counts that as killing 5 bosses, so you can get items from dragons lmao

[fierce elm]

Just gonna blast this through fucking Delves

for like 5 hours

when its up

[stuck mulch]

the most chill way to level

actual braindead content

love it

[fierce elm]

I mean I will just put on a show

if it means I can play a good tank and not blood DK

if we are going for 1%

[rancid granite]

outlaw is so hard to play but its such a cool spec; sub you can still kinda zug like fury

[stuck mulch]

gonna level my warrior in the delve. and then get railed in pvp

[urban skiff]

@jovial torrent

[jovial torrent]

what a mess lol, so many pets

[urban skiff]

yea, but you'll notice step had just regained a charge so running out before that was just taking damage with nothing to do about it

[stuck mulch]

i would if i had a steady healer friend

but all healers in my guild are dookie

[fierce elm]

I have recruited a healer already

[wheat jay]

Oh you're going for brm?

Deadass?

[fierce elm]

Leveling it at least

and gearing it

but will play my BDK probs

[wheat jay]

Just play fucking ww in arena then???????????

[fierce elm]

I wanted to WW in arena anyways

[wheat jay]

Then do it

[fierce elm]

We literlaly had this conversation

[wheat jay]

We have ms

I do devourer

And we have possibly highest burst comp in the game?

Hello????

Monkafro ftw

[fierce elm]

relax bro

[wheat jay]

Okay, but no cap

[urban skiff]

I just overtook @jovial torrent

[wheat jay]

No cap at all

Id go for it xD

[fierce elm]

WE HAD THIS CONVO ALREADY

[urban skiff]

On damage

[jovial torrent]

i need more dps talents!

[lavish quest]

Yall need to carry me to 1%

Tenks

[wheat jay]

I don't remember, legit

And if I do, i must have had different opinion to now

[stuck mulch]

get me galactic warlord i get u 1%

such a nice title

[urban skiff]

you're like the priest version of mmarkers

[jovial torrent]

XD ,KILL!

[lavish quest]

Surely can if you heal me

Clueless

[stuck mulch]

tbf i am gonna level a shaman healer next timewalking

[urban skiff]

why would you do that to yourself?

[stuck mulch]

well i wanna get 3k on healer too

[urban skiff]

oh you plan to do pve

[jovial torrent]

what was it u get for that again, a title?

[urban skiff]

2s inflation going hard

[jovial torrent]

i bet the diff from 1700-1800 is guna be goddamn insain

[wet pollen]

Are there PvP training dummies in Silvermoon? Either in blind or there isn’t one among the my dungeon and raid ones

[urban skiff]

it is for enhancement

[rancid granite]

there's one just east of pvp npc

[fierce elm]

Yeah they are a bit up the path further from the PvE dummies

[wet pollen]

Cool thanks

[urban skiff]

I swear I can feel @jovial torrent having a brain aneurism through the screen when he's ping warnings and then I delete someone right before I'm about to die

[jovial torrent]

lol,, i mostly warn when im in a cc i cant get out of u would be suprised how many ppl dont pop def till they are sub 5% instead of when i ! which means i cant heal for probs 5 secs

[stuck mulch]

nah but it looks nice to get on all the roles

[stuck mulch]

are they bad in pvp?

[jovial torrent]

i swear there was somthing or getting on all roles

[urban skiff]

I hear they feel bad to play

Idk what they're like

I'm surprised how rarely we see other sub rogues

[stuck mulch]

interesting, seems like they are the easist in pve tho

[fierce elm]

They are also just bad in PvE lmfao

[stuck mulch]

bruuuh

tier list is baiting me

wats a good and easy healer

[fierce elm]

MW

lmfao

[rancid granite]

hpal

[fierce elm]

Rdruid

but for 3k it doesn't matter much in 'meta' ways

[stuck mulch]

i dont like mw in pve

[fierce elm]

THEN SAY THAT BEFORE

[stuck mulch]

[stuck mulch]

are they easy tho

[fierce elm]

Somewhat, yes

[stuck mulch]

hows disc priest

[solemn elm]

don’t listen to no darn diddly tier list

fr fr

[stuck mulch]

not even when they say mw is giga op

but yeah i need a good healer to play that aint too hard to get into

[solemn elm]

priest hpala

pres evoker

simple to learn press healing buttons there are some buttons that do external things just gotta learn them

[fierce elm]

Pres is clunky af

[stuck mulch]

sounds like priest is the way

for pve and pvp

[latent fossil]

is this like... relevant?

[fierce elm]

The first one no

the second one yes

[solemn elm]

ye pretty chill

[solemn elm]

missing spirit bloom 😔

[urban skiff]

https://drustvar.com/blue-tracker/post/1026/1205-ptr-development-notes

new notes, nerfs to MW

[fierce elm]

OLD

ALREADY POSTED

[urban skiff]

I PLAY THE GAME INSTEAD OF WRITING IN HERE YOU YOUNG MAN

[fierce elm]

That and a 5% flat healing nerf

[urban skiff]

yea

rsham gaining +30% damage

might explain why everyone rerolling rsham last week

well, R1 Mmarkers incoming

[elfin herald]

bros, delve spam still worth it ? need to level an alt

[jovial torrent]

yes, do all delves at lvl 80 which theres like 10 now or somthing with new ones

then do the calamitous story in shadowguard point to 88.x and turn in all quests @elfin herald

[elfin herald]

calamitous story is the campaing?

[jovial torrent]

the story of the delve

it rotates daily

the calamitous one is like 2-3x more exp than any other if ur tank spec

u just grab the first 1/5th of the dungeon which is like 5 elites and a bunch of trash kill repeat

[elfin herald]

thanks man

[jovial torrent]

basically just this first little section @elfin herald

well worth getting a bunch of chars setup to go then doing it on that story variant day

well damn my harinar and undead are both nearly same now

[elfin herald]

ty

ill just wait till this variant is up then

[jovial torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeDlxa3gyc&list=RDULeDlxa3gyc&start_radio=1

[elfin herald]

the other ones is not that good?

like 15k per quest is so shit

[jovial torrent]

nah one of them is really bad that spawns a bunch of captured animals and the others are ok but the calamitous has like 3 extra elites and elites are like 4-5k xp each i think

[elfin herald]

i cant handle questing anymore xd

[jovial torrent]

i was getting 1.4m xp with the 25% warbound bonus

1.4m/h

buy a bunch of lvl 83 greens if ur gear is bad they should only be like 100g a piece

can buy a set of 85 to switch too aswell

[elfin herald]

got u, is the mana one up now i think thats prob better than questing

[jovial torrent]

probs a little better han questing, grab "easy experience bar" to see your xp/h

reset it before u start

if u really wana min max get ur tailoring to 50 do all the cheap first crafts, grab the treasures and the 10 knowledge from belf rep vendor

u will get like atleast 50-100k of cloth while lveling

[latent fossil]

Yo so... if I got conq chest...

should I buy conq legs?

[ebon steeple]

If you got the chest already and everything else in the pins

Then yes

[stuck mulch]

the 6th of may i get to be puppy babysitting

on reset day

[jovial torrent]

its fiiiine, he can only poop so much

[stuck mulch]

wtf is this

finery funds

[fierce elm]

some transmog

its like 'peasant clothes'

[stuck mulch]

so worth

[sharp meteor]

transmog from npc between central building and catalyst

basically one of the handful of belf sets

can see them in sets

[jovial torrent]

most of the peasent transmogs are pretty bad

they doo however have a few good boot sets, im farming to get the blood one

[solemn elm]

yes honey

[latent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-warrior-orc-pvp-pwnstarr-gif-20747634

[frail lake]

Current warr more like

https://tenor.com/view/кадгар-вов-инвалид-z-khadgar-gif-15072999919319242494

[latent fossil]

I just sent an email to blizzard

"please let me have barbaric training + spear, cheers, uwu"

[fierce elm]

[e-mail]

[e-mail]

[worldly oriole]

Domdaddyionh@bliss

[solemn elm]

barbarian gaming

what a shame

barbarian + the shadowlands legendary

[green wharf]

now its rogues who do this

with their stupid hook

warriors in wow have become so fucking lame

cant 1x1 shit, nothing unique, kited for life

[rancid granite]

warrior being the worst 1v1 class is so lame

though dueling flokk makes it seem like theyre actually good

[jovial torrent]

it hurts more since from wotlk-mop they were one of the best

never recovered from the wod prune

[solemn elm]

was actually not horrendous in wod

cause regen was actually really good and usable on arms

with the 10% ms buff aswell for more healing lowkey a resto druid for a second

but yea it would still fall flat

i can’t forget losers using the legendary ring in duels

[fierce elm]

I saw that pal

[solemn elm]

oops wrong community

hey you don’t play that shit

and this is world of warcraft

warcraft ONLY channel

[fierce elm]

I do not play OW no

[solemn elm]

i’ll put it in warcraft terms, basically e girl holy priest player being boosted by someone who is cheating on the game

[rancid granite]

a tale as old as the internet

[frail lake]

I hated the elite set in the Dressing room. For some reason it looks far better on the Model in the game

[north thicket]

are you guys stacking haste beyond 20% or so in pvp gear as Col?

[green wharf]

dont think so

[north thicket]

oki

[solemn elm]

no sir grab some mastery

[north thicket]

Armor sets and enchants would be very nice to have these back. In fact, they have to bring them back to increase participation rate.

Gladiator titles should absolutely stay time-capsuled for the people who earned these. Maybe mounts too.

TLDR Duelist- rewards back, Gladiator+ not.

[solemn elm]

this should be a thing for pvp, but it should not be obtainable from battleground blitz, and it should be in a good median between 2700 and 3k because it would be absolutely absurd if some random ass dude who is like male human warrior and has zero clue of what’s happening is able to get one i mean the value is just gone

mount the same way as they’re doing for mythic + is the most ideal

[rancid granite]

im glad to see multiple people agree with my tak cause i know my take is right :D

[green wharf]

[rancid granite]

also i am a male human warrior and i have zero clue what im doing and i peaked about 2400 in ss last 2 ssn's so good take

[solemn elm]

but you’re an exception

you’re special

and you have the ability to you know learn and be better i’m talkin bout those stubborn dads who think they know the ins and outs

[green wharf]

This weekend imma start doing my ranked shuffle, so imma gonna need yall help for addons and macros

and to fix my UI

last expansions i got duelist all seasons and stop, i might try elite now

[jovial torrent]

same, its time to both hit elite in 3v3

[boreal veldt]

just a skirm but we love to see it

[green wharf]

lmao

dude was literally jhon paladin

[boreal veldt]

[latent fossil]

why the f did I get a notification but no one talked to me?

do we have ghosts here..

[jovial torrent]

[dark pawn]

I'm gonna be really cringe, but I think it should work like glad mounts and vicious saddles. Wins over 1800

MINIMUM

fill a bar and once you fill the bar, you can get elite sets from old expansions.

Anybody who is proud of a cosmetic they got

10 (TEN) YEARS AGO

and wants their pixels to remain unique are not very nice people.
.t someone who has the MT legion shield

[lavish quest]

Get the sentiment, but damn high lol

[jovial torrent]

it could turn out to be a uno reverse card where inflation gets so dumb that 2300 becomes the new 1800

if ppl are trying to grind 2700-3k for previous mount

[lavish quest]

+2'd a 14 @fierce elm

[dark pawn]

You already get high warlord gear at 1800

[lavish quest]

[dark pawn]

I would know, I got that in cata

[latent fossil]

Leland send me 2M gold right now

[lavish quest]

No

[latent fossil]

Reported

[lavish quest]

Based

[dark pawn]

Elite sets aren't as valuable at 1800, the real flex comes at weapons

[rancid granite]

skillcapped

[dark pawn]

And even then that's me being bad

[jovial torrent]

sad thing is i would probs have a bunch of mounts from bfa onwards if i actually just stuck to playing and waited for inflation to hit

[dark pawn]

Inflation goes wild

[jovial torrent]

i got nearly 2300 before getting any of the corruption upgrades in bfa

if i just grinded my full 8/8 bleed corruptions and played to end i should have had mount

the sham i was playing with got 2800

not sure when i will try to start grindign 3's i was kind of hoping mw would have got a decent takedown by now

[fierce elm]

huge gamer

[latent fossil]

Afro

[fierce elm]

Hello

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-and-another-one-gif-13250129

[fierce elm]

anotha one

[latent fossil]

Afro I need your help

[fierce elm]

bro stop tagging me eight times

and tell me already what is on your mind

[latent fossil]

who are you talking to

[violet fossil]

Yes but maybe add a token you earn when you get to a certain rating to buy the old stuff with

[idle falcon]

noob?

do better

[green wharf]

hey @fierce elm , @latent fossil apparently need your help

[latent fossil]

Nah, fuck it

[green wharf]

[solemn elm]

u were already there and there wasn’t the extra brackets around, just keep trying and gaming it’s gonna be yours this season

i just know it

[jovial torrent]

i believe!, shuffles going pretty damn well, constantly against 2400-2700 players

[solemn elm]

need a good median man

it can’t be like fulanito with that shit either you feel me

fulanito=anybody lol

in spanish

[jovial torrent]

got 1981 and 1923 on 2 priests so not a fluke either 👍

[solemn elm]

that’s pretty good

[jovial torrent]

i need to just find some god rogue mage/hunter players to carry me over the line

anyone remember what rank 1 was in tww season 3?

[urban skiff]

I'll die on this hill: Precog doesn't need cc immunity

[jovial torrent]

was it like 3500 or

[urban skiff]

We already failed to stop the spell, we're already sufficiently punished

[solemn elm]

unfortunately you got faked so that’s what you get

[jovial torrent]

not sure, cus the caster was probs wasting alot of time casting stoping casting to try get u to kick into him

[solemn elm]

and it’s your fault wasting a cc into it

[jovial torrent]

otherwise it would go back to just ppl not even trying to juke

[urban skiff]

yea, i'm just saying precog doesn't need a blanke cc immunity. Just keep it at kick/interrupt/silence immunity and let's leave it at that

Like root/slow immunity is just a stupid addition

[jovial torrent]

what needs to be fixed is precog proccing on succesful kicks

cus i think that happens for a few specs

[solemn elm]

you mean when you overlap kicks

no such thing as precog proccing on successful kicks other than when it was prepatch

[urban skiff]

1 person kicks: Good
2 persons kick: Ok you guys suck! Even if two people did a good thing at the same time

[jovial torrent]

i think its still bugged for some

[solemn elm]

the caster is still locked out for the duration when you overlap it’s not that big of a deal

[jovial torrent]

yeh not a huge deal but precog is longer than some silence durations

[urban skiff]

mage had a very recent patch where their counterspell procced precog on any cast (because the interrupt and silence components were two separate interrupt instances)

[solemn elm]

definitely frustrating but it’s not that big of a deal

that was prepatch that’s gone now

[urban skiff]

I'm just saying, precog is unfair and a bit too strong

[solemn elm]

think all 3 szns were all 3100 or 3150

[lavish quest]

I mean... even current elite ain't anybody lol

[urban skiff]

If casters need extra help they need it from something else that doesn't make me feel ultra bad for fucking up

[jovial torrent]

maybe just 2 ppl kicking at same time, first interrupting and second giving cc immune

[solemn elm]

if casters didn’t have precog it would be impossible to thrive in any situation as a caster

and faking a kick wouldn’t even matter

the cc immune is annoying but just don’t get faked and don’t cc into it

kick at 90%

[urban skiff]

Yes, I'm certain they would find it impossible to thrive if precog didn't include roots, snares, etc

[elfin mortar]

Yeah especially those mages. They have it so rough.

[lavish quest]

Feel like they'd be fine

ALso, you say, just don't give them precog. Well if we never give them precog, why do they need it?

[jovial torrent]

the thing thats messing me up is when im going for a shadow word death poly break and my allies actually start interrupting like gods lol, then i start healing a bit and gcd lock myself out of shadow word death

[solemn elm]

so that they can do things without having to worry about random shit stopping them

[scarlet trout]

you guys are fat

[urban skiff]

All I'm saying is, missing the kick is punishment. We already had a ton of micro cc pruned, which is what precog was supposed to solve: the shitton of pseudo interrupts from CC abilities

[lavish quest]

Random shit stops me as a melee all the time

ragey

[urban skiff]

100kg, I can barely see my abs anymore

[lavish quest]

Khailby returned without being pinged?

GlorpGasp

[elfin surge]

who are the nerds here that wanted to queue KFC?

[urban skiff]

shhh! If he sees his shadow we get another 6 weeks of bad inflation

[elfin surge]

@wheat jay

?

[solemn elm]

idk i’m like a melee player and i think casters actually need precog ontop of that you just outplayed someone for messing up their kick it’s actually important to kick in this expansion and the last like 3 aswell unlike on any other version of the game where you kick whatever for fun and who cares

[lavish quest]

OF COURSE THATS YOUR GO TO COMP

[elfin surge]

I just qd it

Felt not bad actually

just lost to one team

[solemn elm]

sounds good

[scarlet trout]

Kfc stands for KMud’s Fat Corny Ass

thoughts

[solemn elm]

would been so much more op with mw

i wanna try that with mw

[urban skiff]

I'm pretty sure my interrupt is shorter than everyone else's but wowhead says there's no pvp modifier on it

[jovial torrent]

ooo interesting so disc didnt feel so bad with war and hunt

[lavish quest]

Stands for his place of employment

[solemn elm]

priest hunter never not bad together

since you can always fear off of traps

[jovial torrent]

yeh, any idea what build ur priest was running, i got a couple talents i cant really choose between

also after playing so much healer i gotta say there are soooo many random strong slows that dont even feel like they need to be cast on u

like rets consecration on the floor feels like a 90% slow if u accidently walk onto it

[solemn elm]

ya that’s just concentrated ground

really fun to fight

i love it too don’t worry

[jovial torrent]

alot of times when im lok ok il go in for fear im just suddenly really damn slow without anyone actually touching me lol, like mage flurry randomly splitting to me and stuff

[solemn elm]

can just fade for it if need be

[lavish quest]

Okay, I have a trade deal. Casters keep precog. But they can only move during precog

hmmNod

[solemn elm]

they can’t move otherwise

[jovial torrent]

yeh usually do, but against priests i try not to cus i dont wana get fade feared back ifi pop early

[solemn elm]

sounds perfect

[green wharf]

hey, thats a portuguese word

[solemn elm]

it’s actually spanish aswell

[green wharf]

we can say fulaninho too

[urban skiff]

make precog end if they move

lol

@lavish quest i'm starting to think blizzard keeps shuffle MMR on lockdown specifically until the first .5 patch every season.

Bet we're going to see it inexplicably unlock next reset

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/party-cast-bars

@jovial torrent Cast bar for party members, maybe I can tell when you ult peni now??

[jovial torrent]

maaaaybe, or i could make a cringe macro

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

might grab that warcraft log addon tomorrow to film games

[urban skiff]

just remember log sizes pile up

[jovial torrent]

that was our 2v2 sesh pretty much ye?

[urban skiff]

yea top one is, name changed to follow past the midnight line

hang on

https://wowarenalogs.com/match?id=00dd6c867ebfafbca7166cbcb7fc3f7a&roundId=undefined

so like this

did 30 seconds of cc in a 70 second match

[jovial torrent]

gross lol

[urban skiff]

what's gross is your ult pen for 50k - 66k damage per second for 3 seconds

[jovial torrent]

im about to yeet my priests rating testing out shadow word pain stuff, orrrr its guna actually be better 👍

[urban skiff]

170k damage

I play because I enjoy playing, test away

[jovial torrent]

i enjoy it ,tho as a healer if you "test stuff" u get barraged with whispers

[urban skiff]

I know it doesn't transfer well to shuffle but just test away with me in 2s or grab a random 3rd for 3s

[jovial torrent]

im down to do 3's for fun, maybe a warrior here wants to blast some turbo with disc or we try get a hunter like mud fo fun

[solemn elm]

big dam

play turbo

[urban skiff]

i'm comfortable blasting 3s on my shaman without wife

[jovial torrent]

well thats annoying nvidia app doesnt let you stream to twitch anymore need to use obs

[urban skiff]

oh

Is obs bad?

[jovial torrent]

nah just bit weird that nvidia deleted the feature

[urban skiff]

No shade on this guy, but how the fuck is he same rating as me in 2s right now?

[jovial torrent]

ive used obs before just nvidia was ez 1 button press directly stream gameplay

[urban skiff]

Wonky build and never been above 1800 in anything anywhere

[jovial torrent]

derno, maybe when we do some games and u can see my pov u will find out somthing, i do feel like rating gets scuffed the higher u go and is super squished

like 1k-1700 feels the same then suddenly u hit a brick wall at 1800 of multi 2700 players

solo shuffle is so broken atm too, ppl who win their first few shuffles end up instantly at 1800 mmr games and typically go 0-6

[solemn elm]

gotta use streamlabs

is wat i use

[urban skiff]

MMR is basically a very very slow moving proportional integral derivative controller setup

It will always reverberate around the actual end point

It's this formula

K > 1 is probably what we're seeing, where it will spike over and under and reverb until it stabilizes and CR and MMR stays relatively locked together and don't move significantly except according to the injected MMR every day

[jovial torrent]

intersting, ive set up my stream btw so might stream later today

[urban skiff]

I can play a bit now if you're available

[jovial torrent]

sure i can play and stream a few 2's

[solemn elm]

ill watch

[urban skiff]

this is making me scream internally

[urban skiff]

ask for the link, he's streaming RIGHT NOOOOOW

[jovial torrent]

@solemn elm /mickers

on twitch

[urban skiff]

i feel like i deserve a fucking medal for that

@solemn elm man I hope you watched

[solemn elm]

i did

[wheat jay]

2s rating and all ratings are about mmr zercher, maybe man's mmr is dogshit

or he plays with like 0cr healers all the time

[urban skiff]

huh?

[wheat jay]

the guy you sent, that shaman dude

[urban skiff]

Oh yeah

I think it's more likely that there's something we accidentally did right last season that either isn't working this season or we've somehow phased out of our playstyle

[wheat jay]

need winstreaks brother

mmr

[urban skiff]

I spend a lot more time and energy worrying about wife's mana and hp bar than i ever did in TWW

[wheat jay]

i NEVER worried about my healer in 2s a single time lmao

[urban skiff]

something just feels off

[wheat jay]

healers wont be going oom in 2s

maybe once every 20 games or so lol

[urban skiff]

yea, that's what I'm saying. I don't have to worry about choppah either

[wheat jay]

wife debuff, youre worried about wife

[urban skiff]

but wife just Ooms incredibly fast and WILL die if a dps just decides to stick to her forever

but we're also absolutely drowning in weird tryhard lobbies with rdruid hunters, mw subs, etc

[wheat jay]

brother

i was first timing havoc this season with choppah

and people are clueless at those ratings

just pump dmg and swap on every wall

[urban skiff]

that's the thing

[wheat jay]

people can't handle swaps

[urban skiff]

we aren't very clueless,maybe a little

so we shouldn't be stuck with the ones who are clueless

[wheat jay]

well, you gotta be doing sth wrong then, fundamentally

tho i dont think enh is a very good 2s spec

[urban skiff]

yea, but I'm just not sure where to look

[urban skiff]

enh also wasn't very good all of TWW in 2s

[wheat jay]

i mean, you do have 1715 mmr, so youre good for 1800 too

[urban skiff]

It shouldn't be that much worse now, except with the cc nerfs and pruning maybe

[urban skiff]

yea but this is sub

[wheat jay]

ye but tww was more inflated than brackets are now

[urban skiff]

i'm just coasting with no clue what I'm doing

if i were feral I'd have a better time at a lower rating

[wheat jay]

i dunno man

its 2s

unless its top like 1% youre facing muppets

[urban skiff]

1700 for enh is top 3%

and this is the muppets we're facing right now

[wheat jay]

how did you lose into lock...

as sub

brother

[urban skiff]

They just had an answer to everything I did

[jovial torrent]

i needed to fade when i dispelled

it did so much dmg

[urban skiff]

also it's 2s, there's nobody to stop the seduction on my opener

not unless I want to cloak there and that's goodbye playable rest of fight

[jovial torrent]

ye i probs should have been in close

[urban skiff]

these fucking chumps again

aaaaaah

[jovial torrent]

middle pillar dance time

[urban skiff]

middle pillar on this map is different because it's bigger and rounder

can't remember who said it

[wheat jay]

just outfury the fury

easy

[urban skiff]

I did

he's slayer

they won their first game by running down choppah 100% of the time and then their next games they decided the winning tactic was to ignore choppah and go me all the time and get nothing done

[wheat jay]

disgrace to his class

[urban skiff]

pro player move

gotta admit, i was supremely annoying when they tried to go choppah on the 2nd game

[solemn elm]

oh yea zercher cant lose rn

only lost one game rn

hes streakin as we speak

[urban skiff]

wait what?

nah that can't be true

[solemn elm]

very true

what you mean i just watched you win like 4 in a row then lose to some cancer that counters you

then you proceed to win again

youre farming my guy

[urban skiff]

I'm straight up insulted we had to play against a rogue like that

Let's pop shadowblades then run the opposite direction until it's over

what

[solemn elm]

you guys actually farmed those ppl :p

legit

[wheat jay]

counter that counters you, aka ww monk that counters everything and everyone

[urban skiff]

I farm WW on my shaman

straight up unfunny

[solemn elm]

choppah just forces revival with big dam and get coco like 20 seconds after its over

[wheat jay]

lmao

[solemn elm]

need a mage in here

[urban skiff]

I can't play 3s

[wheat jay]

i think one loss i had when playing with choppah was into mw/ww

[solemn elm]

why :C

[urban skiff]

in 2s there's a 50% chance I'm hitting the right thing

[wheat jay]

and they just 100-0 us in 2nd sweep

[solemn elm]

is it because you dont know what to hit ?

[jovial torrent]

yeh they like cleaved us lol

[urban skiff]

yea

[wheat jay]

if it was slow death, sure

but it was pure 100-0 in a sweep xD

zenith doing a big ass burst of damage is an overkill for monk lol

[urban skiff]

i genuinely don't know what I'm doing. I'm just packing all the lessons i learn into my subconsciousness and then play by feel

[jovial torrent]

zenith delete

[solemn elm]

i can help you but youll be okay just target something you think would be good think about it in like hindsight is it good to stun this man with my friend and stuff

[urban skiff]

and my feels are generally very wrong

[solemn elm]

dont overthink it

youre gaming rn

[wheat jay]

zenith hsould be on gcd if it does that hit

[solemn elm]

zenith got like 2 charges n shit too

[wheat jay]

ye i dont mind charges

but put it on gcd

[solemn elm]

win here hard

[jovial torrent]

id just like it to be more visible or added to wows api tracking stuff

[urban skiff]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO HIT

[wheat jay]

btw so funny how havoc does like 0 burst now xD

its all consistent and in cds its a bit higher consistent

wack

[solemn elm]

you already know hit that warlock, youre doing good

NOOO

so close

[jovial torrent]

that was some nutty dmg

[urban skiff]

I literally had him if he hadn't gotten me there

[solemn elm]

twas just bolt

[wheat jay]

destro?

[solemn elm]

were you too far to kick or something

[urban skiff]

i had gotten coil out of the way and cloak ready with blades

[wheat jay]

how do you lose

[jovial torrent]

am i blind or that pet was coming at me in stealth right

out open was wrong

u cheaped priest

[solemn elm]

he was using pet move to your general location

so that he could get the seduce off

[jovial torrent]

i just dunno if i was blind i didnt see it run up on me

[solemn elm]

happens

[urban skiff]

was on cooldown

[solemn elm]

play close to zercher but not like close enough to where you get double howled

ah i think you had kicked incin huh

[urban skiff]

It was fear I think

[solemn elm]

or soul fire

ah

[wheat jay]

what race you playing zerch?

[urban skiff]

no wait

it was seduction on mick

[solemn elm]

ah

[urban skiff]

belf

[wheat jay]

nelf would meld

[urban skiff]

can't meld when I'm in stuns

bro

[jovial torrent]

nelf is pretty op lol, free restealth

[solemn elm]

just be a little closer choppah so you can get help from zercher with stopping the seduce

just not like close enough for double howl tho

cheap the darn thing or anything

its okay to

[urban skiff]

I think I was on track however, i kept hitting feint a second too late at most

[solemn elm]

you were just fine, lock was like legit 1%

you got walled and everythang

yall was gun ween

[wheat jay]

why dont you just kidney him whenever choppah is in seduction?

[urban skiff]

yea and blade was ready

it was just a timing thing

[jovial torrent]

if our opener was a bit stronger

[urban skiff]

yea i have no clue how to deal damage

[solemn elm]

thats ok youre still pumping :D

[urban skiff]

i vaguely understand that cheap shot basically deals shadowstrike damage because the clone pops in and does it for me

[jovial torrent]

i think theres legit a macro to play sub burst lol

[solemn elm]

lol youre already getting it just use bomb a bit better and such

ban this guy now

[urban skiff]

other than that i just initiate my dance with stech and then stun, because my logic is that at this rating level I've got that extra gcd before they can react

[solemn elm]

try to get cross with choppah at the same time

so you can just get the cleanest goes

and always force trinkiet

[urban skiff]

that's the thing, I don't know how to do that

I'm used to completely control what wife does in 2s so I can play around that

[solemn elm]

yea you do :D, cheapshot the healer SPAM PING choppah to run up and fear

youre already doin good

[wheat jay]

tbh if choppah doesnt have trinket id just go for kidney when they use seduction

[urban skiff]

yea i try to kidney healer than cheap kill etc

[solemn elm]

yup thats good

gouge out of that so choppah and get the little fear out and you good

[urban skiff]

I did kidney the succ once, just I don't think it was a good time

[solemn elm]

kidney the enemy not the darn succ

[urban skiff]

same team again, so I guess redemption time

[solemn elm]

u wanna cheap dat

cause it costs nothin

[wheat jay]

ye xD

kidney on succ doesnt do shit, you still take dmg and you can deliver your own

kidney the dps and succ doesnt matter

[solemn elm]

that was just crispy clean

[jovial torrent]

was a nice cloak from zerch

and cc

[solemn elm]

lot less succs happening and alot more dub fears going on making them do stuff

brother bout to compete with the warlock in dps

choppah must be stopped

[urban skiff]

logic being I always kidney before moving

[jovial torrent]

thats the best part of disc, in solo shuffle u do nearly same dmg as person in 4th usually

[urban skiff]

if I cheap the succ I already initiate and telegraph a cooldown

chumps lol

[jovial torrent]

downside is para sweep sleep lol

[urban skiff]

i feel like that's the one upside of enhancement

[solemn elm]

well you just stopped the seduce youd be just fine and if youre fast enough you just cheap the seduce and step kidney or step cheap your kt

would be just fine

u did that a bunch there

[urban skiff]

If coco on the wrong target? Straight to the graveyard.

If rolling in to sweep? Straight to the root totem

If initiating sweep and casting sleep? Straight to the tremor totem corner of shame

[solemn elm]

gotta fade that john

like you did earlier

cause youre goated

these games just need a mage in there

[jovial torrent]

i think if they nerf zen orbs that should be enough nerfs on mw to dethrone em

[urban skiff]

I think what MW needs is a reduction in the duration of their CC

as weird as it sounds

Sweep shorter duration, would also dethrone WW

[jovial torrent]

they dont really need both para and sleep

[urban skiff]

it's annoying the shit out of me that cap totem requires a PHD to use and they can just sweep an entire team for free

[urban skiff]

yea or that

[solemn elm]

oh well just what they got now best thing you can do is just prevent the chain from happening

[urban skiff]

updating minicc probably helped a lot, for some reason I wasn't getting any warnings about cooldown usage

[solemn elm]

they just need to not have infinite mana

which they wont

and cocoon every like 10 seconds

win time

[wheat jay]

1:30 cocoon and less mana

mw will still be mad good, just not broken as fuck xD

[solemn elm]

yea

thats what we want

wow that was just hilarious to see

good job you stunned him away from his port

zercher op

[urban skiff]

not clean but gotr the job done

[jovial torrent]

i nearly took double dispel for dots

but i felt like i needed 2 tp to switch

[solemn elm]

be sure to dispel yourself for the mw orb thing anyways

[urban skiff]

yea we always lose the mana war vs them and it's frustrating

we as in enh+disc husbando waifu team

[jovial torrent]

12.0.5 50% mana tea nerf so thats nice

[urban skiff]

Did he even coco?

[solemn elm]

no

[urban skiff]

eeee

[solemn elm]

was trying to port but he was too far

[urban skiff]

I was using vanish shadowstrikes for extra teleports

felt excessive, i was super worried at the start when he was messing up my opener with all his bouncing around

[solemn elm]

yoppah needs to go for more dub fears there especially when hes getting trained

if you lose this one dont feel bad

[urban skiff]

fffff

[solemn elm]

do not feel bad about that at all

was a very very valiant effort lol

[urban skiff]

i would have completely deleted them as shaman, it always makes me feel bad

[solemn elm]

you guys lasted very long

and no u wouldnt have

[urban skiff]

yea I would

[solemn elm]

thats jazgzz

[urban skiff]

eh

[jovial torrent]

lol

[solemn elm]

dont go mage there hit druid always cus hes got blink stun and shit

[urban skiff]

I could have taken him

[solemn elm]

he becomes mister untouchable

[urban skiff]

I figured early it was a struggle lobby and decided to practice feinting the druid stuns

[solemn elm]

but regardless just hard to play vs that guy cause you know hes pretty good lol

[urban skiff]

I got one

[solemn elm]

but you guys lasted a good minute so good work C:

[jovial torrent]

i dispelled some alter times wooo

[solemn elm]

you guys had good goes on druid just needed some sort of cross on magus

[urban skiff]

I tried but I didn't luck out and get it with racial

[urban skiff]

if I hadn't been greedy I could have had a solid go with cloak

[solemn elm]

ya

[jovial torrent]

its tough cus he just has to run around in circles till he has ray up, i cant stop that very well

[solemn elm]

very tuff match up

[urban skiff]

I follow @fierce elm 's advice to play every lobby at my rating, instead of assuming people might be better or worse than they are

[solemn elm]

well its not like u knew who that was anyways im just telling you dont feel bad if you lose

[urban skiff]

that leads to situations where i get greedy

[solemn elm]

cause its a hard match up

and you know real player

the most entertaining stream eu

what a double fear

have you gotten 1800 yet zercher

[jovial torrent]

i wanted that booty

i dont think so

[urban skiff]

nope, shaman got stuck at 1699 in 2s and then we got turned the fuck around by facing 13 sub+mw in a row

literally no shit

[jovial torrent]

u were close on sham weret u but then u went on a bit of a streak

[urban skiff]

dumped back under 1500 and wife been super demoralized since

[jovial torrent]

i woudlnt be so demoralised when were seeing glads at 1800 lol

[urban skiff]

we climbed to i think 1650 and then it's on pause at 1620

[solemn elm]

ok time to win

and get it

[jovial torrent]

were at the mmr so just need to keep q

[urban skiff]

that's still 7 positive wins

ish

[solemn elm]

you doubting urself rn ?

when youre don it

[wheat jay]

they're climbing

[jovial torrent]

every time weve had a rematch weve dumpsterd them 👍

[wheat jay]

gameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers

[solemn elm]

factual

[urban skiff]

that might be true

I have a lot to learn about playing rogue in 2s and i've learned it all in 48 games

[solemn elm]

well keep going

yellow ball cursor

[urban skiff]

in shuffle I'm so dependent on other people playing around me because I can't around them

third time

[solemn elm]

just do big dam

never over think it

[urban skiff]

I couldn't get the rhytm

[wheat jay]

when in doubt

zug

every spec every class

when in doubt juz zug them down

[urban skiff]

it's an annoying map

I should have waited for a grip back when he did the tripple teleport thing

[solemn elm]

better map for you cause youre melee

[jovial torrent]

i think come out the gate a bit quicker too, so i can fear off ur sap

[solemn elm]

yee

need to get the ball rolling hard with fear

[urban skiff]

warlock ported on the sap, it was actually a good thing for us because I hadn't opened yet

I just didn't know what to do with that luck

[solemn elm]

bring it back here

[fierce elm]

I assume my enemies aren't aware until they prove to me that they are aware

[urban skiff]

almost the same thing, also I can't tell if they're aware or not so blissful stress

[fierce elm]

But if we are at the same rating then we are absolutely equals

[solemn elm]

yea

[jovial torrent]

fukken precog as i wanted to fear

[solemn elm]

unlucky

[jovial torrent]

we should go dk more?

feels like i need the peel a bit

[urban skiff]

monk had so much control because of map size

and I didn't know sleep from below would hit above, that was a problem for me

[solemn elm]

need to go dk

the monk can just port in stun

you can also fear the healer, dk can just ams

and kick at 90 when he was going to song, he knew you would kick instantly

so he faked it

was very predictable

this music is so fire

[jovial torrent]

dragonland is the band

[urban skiff]

artjis favorite comp

[solemn elm]

that was played in awc just double monk :D

[urban skiff]

I don't even know what ww do

[solemn elm]

you can kill them in stuns

[jovial torrent]

lol yeh i caught that one, it was good

[solemn elm]

they can disarm you, karma, and fort brew and parry with fists of fury

pretty much get behind them when youre going to do anything

youll get karma like rn

in the opey

promise you that

[jovial torrent]

hopfully i get giga fear on fists

[solemn elm]

do the most here zercher

[jovial torrent]

horry morry

[solemn elm]

HALP CHOPPAH :C