pvp

[solemn elm]

you can play either one, and they do well

just depends what you like

[gentle quiver]

cool i just want to get high enough to get the transmogs lolol

[urban skiff]

looks like a sharp hammer to me

[gentle quiver]

thx for the help guys!

[solemn elm]

of course :)

you can play either one for that

[wheat jay]

oh right could be

HIS NAME IS SUSSYCHUNGUS

what a gigachad xD

[urban skiff]

giga dwarf maybe

[solemn elm]

LMAO

thats a good one

[urban skiff]

no sussy sausage?

[loud lantern]

Does the rend increased damage caused by the buff from Collosal might afect the rend that applies from thunder clap? or just the individual skill?

[sweet solstice]

are any enemy cds trackable via some ingame ui?

[solemn elm]

all rend in general

[solemn elm]

no :( but you can use minicc to track them when theyre up

can also track some friends cds

[wheat jay]

anything was more fun

retpocalypse was more fun than sub..,.

[rancid granite]

no it god damn was not

[wheat jay]

retpocalypse > sub being anything above f tier

[north thicket]

I like the tactical element of blitz, it's like a war game... but it has different vibes from arena, point taken

[wheat jay]

tactical elements being?

its literally, send rogue or hunter to take base

[north thicket]

teamplay, strategy etc

[wheat jay]

and def base

done

tank takes flag

heal tank

[north thicket]

the roles are pre-determined by the class yes, but there are decisions made in the course of the game

it's not static, it's better to be fluid

like football

[urban skiff]

Strategy is having an overarching way to win and tactics is how to win here and now

[wheat jay]

id argue there's more tactical elements in arena

[north thicket]

different tactical elements

[wheat jay]

from simple trading cooldowns to winning entire cooldown goes with just positioning

[north thicket]

yes, absolutely true what you are saying but it's different war game

[sweet solstice]

quick vs disc prot pala who do i focus?

[urban skiff]

you go into arena with a strategy and the better you are, the fewer deviations, slowly eliminating the tactical element

[urban skiff]

in arena?

[sweet solstice]

y

[urban skiff]

2v2??+

[sweet solstice]

y

[solemn elm]

disc

[wheat jay]

strategy in 3s is not something that's pre-determined

[urban skiff]

just hit whatever, remember if you cc the guardian angel thing it breaks the bubble prot can cast on friends

[wheat jay]

everything happens on the fly, thus tactical elements

[urban skiff]

strategy in this case is having a plan for how to trade what cooldowns and what your wincondition is and how to get it

[wheat jay]

even if you strategize arena and what youre facing, there are far more deviations from the plan

win conditions appear out of thin air every game

from someone misusing wall

or cleave damage

[urban skiff]

and that's tactics

how to respond to errors

[wheat jay]

indeed

there is barely any in blitz

[urban skiff]

Strategy is what the plan is
tactics is what the plan becomes

[wheat jay]

in rated bgs, there was

plenty of strategizing

and properly executing everything

you needed a target caller

is there a proper tc in blitz?

afaik there isnt

[urban skiff]

I'd say any game mode where people aren't executing plans well is going to have a lot of tactical elements

[north thicket]

blitz is like a football game where the players met on the signing board

[wheat jay]

no, thats rated bgs

[urban skiff]

I always volunteer when I play brawlers

[wheat jay]

blitz is schoolyard 8v8 kids playing and fucking around

[urban skiff]

I macro /ping attack to my taunt macro

[wheat jay]

thats not the same as people being on voice chat and warrior or dk doing the target calling

warr cuz sharpen, dk cuz grip

[north thicket]

schoolyard kids is until 1.8-1.9k maybe

[urban skiff]

yea I used to do that when i did RBGs

I flexed between dk and warrior depending on what the team needed for their comp

[wheat jay]

brother, there is no cap on mmr there...

top of the top of shuffle, 2200

top of the top of blitz, 3000+

[north thicket]

yeah but most casual players end up within that 1.8-2.0k where it gets a bit a more spicy

not talking specific numbers but you get my point

[wheat jay]

now, #1 shuffle guy, is a fucking sub rogue, with highest rating being 2000...

he's 3122cr RIGHT NOW

he had 2400 in rbgs at least lol

another dude, disc with 0 exp in anything other than blitz xD

[urban skiff]

US it's two healers and a prot paladin

[wheat jay]

and you wanna know waht the funniest shit is

in the end of the season, top of the blitz will be r1 3s arena players

again

as always XD

[north thicket]

surely, they are great players

[urban skiff]

actually not sure what leaderboard you're looking at, 2k has been broken for a while?

[north thicket]

as if Ronaldinho wouldn't be successful in beach football - he would have been

[wheat jay]

typo, meant to write 2200

[wheat jay]

my funny issue is the other way around

blitz players being career rivals suddenly getting 3k cr in blitz

gods of pvp i guess

i guess its all about at which second of the game you cap the flag

[north thicket]

maybe they just fit better into this blitz war game?

[wheat jay]

yo is it normal for like 80% of blitz top players to have 0xp in any bracket but exact 2400xp in rbgs?

[solemn elm]

yes

:D

[wheat jay]

not 2420, 2413, 2402

exact 2400

[north thicket]

well, I am not talking about boosting or wintrading or whatnot

[urban skiff]

Who are we looking at?

[north thicket]

you sign in, play for fun

[jovial torrent]

maybe its ust the website using achivs or somthing to track?

[wheat jay]

maybe, i dunno

like 15 of top 20 blitz players have exact 2400 rbgs xp

i dunno if its checkpvp being sus

or them being sus xD

@fickle forge you know trivia like that

[jovial torrent]

i feel like it must be the site just tracking elite proc as 2400 and not anything more specific

[wheat jay]

am i delulu or is blitz cooked lmao?

[solemn elm]

u need to remember 1 thing

2400 in rbgs was just hero

cus legit nobody played rbgs

so it was normal for it to just be like 2400

[wheat jay]

ye but not 2402, or 2413, nothing?

[solemn elm]

for a good while i remember 2400 was just hero of the horde or alliance for a minute

[wheat jay]

everyone dead set on 2400?

[deep stream]

[solemn elm]

yep

[wheat jay]

i dunno then

[deep stream]

no

[wheat jay]

maybe im the cooked one

[deep stream]

even my alts that never did rbg

get 2.4k or 2.5k exp

cuz of other chars exp

[wheat jay]

ye but EXACT 2400?

[deep stream]

ye

[wheat jay]

ok send the alt

[deep stream]

example

[wheat jay]

we need to test that

lmao

[deep stream]

all my toons

XD

[wheat jay]

thats so regarded

[deep stream]

yep

those that are 2.2

got that 2.2 range

2.5 never been in rbg even

[wheat jay]

lmao

[deep stream]

so the char itself must of gotten that exp after SL

if its an achievement then u get that standard 2.4k

[jovial torrent]

i might have to join supa's class lawsuit against blizz https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NXpTrLG178o?feature=share

[wheat jay]

@lavish quest dude we had the funniest bug with kargish in seat 12

Bird from 2nd boss had like 70mil hp

Didnt despawn when we killed the boss

And kept spamming his interrupt ability

We cleared trash until 3rd boss and we died, he didnt despawn either

So when we ressed we had to move back insta or we'd pull

Ahh also kargish died once and he couldnt release cuz bird kept us in boss combat xD

[lavish quest]

Cursed dungeon

Also, I dunno how you managed to have it still have health. Don't they all share health? lol

[wheat jay]

Yes

But it was bugged

70+mil hp

XD

[lavish quest]

Did yall time it?

[wheat jay]

And somehow it had like 90% when we finished the boss

[wheat jay]

Yes hahahaha

And we had a wipe on last boss cuz tank got glitched in textures and somehow teleported to middle of the boss

And got lasered

[lavish quest]

Tbf, that was the dung that I 12'd with over 10 mins left

[wheat jay]

Bro that dung is legit cursed

[lavish quest]

So it's pretty forgiving

[wheat jay]

Ye but I had kargish in 240ilvl

We also timed maisara12

With me tanking xD

[lavish quest]

As Veng?

[wheat jay]

Ye

I got the hang of it

I could tank 13, maybe 14 too

[fickle forge]

It's just BG xp being weird

Has always been there

Cause I think it just pulls your max achievement

[solemn elm]

yo im really dumb how in the world can i get rid of these obnoxious numbers on the screen when im gaming

i forgot the setting

and plz tell me there’s anyway to take off damage numbers

i think zercher gave me the way but i forgot

[wheat jay]

Scrollign combat text in settings?

[solemn elm]

thanks a lot

i wish my brain worked

[solemn elm]

but also damage numbers like the yellow damage numbers you be doing, i used to use classic numbers but they are gay now and don’t let u use it no more

i used to remove them completely

[wheat jay]

No clue then sorry

I used to play with nameplatesct but its dead now

[vernal marsh]

miks scrolling combat text needs to come back

[wheat jay]

Addon purge was a mistake

They didnt purge shit

[solemn elm]

LOL so true

we’re just back to square one

[solemn elm]

that one was op no lie

that’s the one that would show you all cd’s on their nameplate right

[wheat jay]

Nope

[narrow compass]

Sct combat text

[solemn elm]

oh i’m actually like 3 iq :D

it’s combat text

sorry i play warrior

[narrow compass]

https://tenor.com/view/old-lady-grandma-talk-gif-7560687209231536225

[solemn elm]

yea that one is old actually i remember it too

[wheat jay]

It was a scrolling combat text, would show above enemy nameplaye

Show icon of the spell

And color of damage type

[solemn elm]

yeah i remember that one, my homie would use it when he was newer

it would drop his frames to like 30

[narrow compass]

I remember when “clique” came out in bc

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[narrow compass]

And all the healers became clickers

[solemn elm]

u know some people still use healbot

[wheat jay]

Never had that happen

[solemn elm]

or, vuhdo

[narrow compass]

I’ll bet

[solemn elm]

last expac s1 i played with someone using vuh do and clicking their ability’s

[wheat jay]

Bro, some ppl still used recount last expansion

[solemn elm]

and i just couldn’t believe it

[narrow compass]

Oh man. No joke…I was gonna throw my pc out the window the other day

[solemn elm]

chill don’t sleep on recount

[narrow compass]

18fps in bgs

[solemn elm]

what about

skada?

[narrow compass]

Bought a new processor….

But before I did that, I checked my ram speed…

Shit was set to 2600 MT/s

[solemn elm]

LMAO

[narrow compass]

Wanna talk about low IQ

I get my ass into bios and turn on the watchamacallit setting

3600 MT/s

[wheat jay]

I used in legion

[solemn elm]

same

[wheat jay]

Swapped mid legion iirc

Or end of it

[solemn elm]

recount was the best for a really long time

[narrow compass]

80+ fps in bgs now

[solemn elm]

until details came out

[narrow compass]

Do you guys remember Titan Panel?

[solemn elm]

of course

really good addon actually for garrisons and alts etc

[narrow compass]

Used to have a stone texture

[wheat jay]

Nope

[narrow compass]

I thought my Ui was so cool

[solemn elm]

was just a bar above the screen that would show alot of your resources etc and stuff

it was really useful

[narrow compass]

Yeah

It’s wild how far the game has come…

[solemn elm]

ill never forget just having this stupid addon that would say critical damage when id crit

when i was little playing

[narrow compass]

There was no Tradeskill master pulling a database for auctions

I had the killing blow addon in vanilla

Bc that was the metric

I don’t even think there was a damage done meter on the leaderboards in vanilla bgs

[solemn elm]

LOOL the fuckin bajheera get shit on and then your name addon

classic

[narrow compass]

DISHONORABLE KILLS! who remembers that shit

[loud lantern]

Who could i watch to learn more for Arms?

[solemn elm]

@elfin surge

magnuzs

or laros

i stream aswell but im like whatever

[elfin surge]

you ping me and not mag

[solemn elm]

he will literally spirit bomb us

if we do

[elfin surge]

@winged thistle is a really good warrior i recommend watching him for all things warrior pvp

[solemn elm]

him and laros aswell and mister mud all good warrior guys

[loud lantern]

ty

[solemn elm]

they can answer any question you got, and also feel free to ask any questions here

[narrow compass]

Hoodrch

[solemn elm]

that guy streams? i havent heard of him since warlords

[narrow compass]

Swifty

[solemn elm]

hell nah LMFAO

dont troll

[narrow compass]

Hahah

[solemn elm]

maybe back in 2008

[narrow compass]

Ok ok

[solemn elm]

https://www.twitch.tv/flippard/clip/YawningTenuousBeefPunchTrees-E12nVxeWa4o_DG9X

why tf can this still happen

dude

im going to assume because the crosshair is placed in a odd position and it just goes under the map \

just makes zero sense

[jovial torrent]

its weird, it doesnt light certain elevations, or ramps

[solemn elm]

if i moved the crosshair ever so slightly more to the right i would have landed it

most likely

[jovial torrent]

ive had a bunch of spears just vanish, especially on that map thats the desert one with the two side pillars and the wall down the middle

the ramp at the start just eats spears, which alot of casters chill on

i wouldnt be surpised if on that map the center block you threw the spear at is a different model which u technically arent touching, so since u wasnt on it some anti bug thing kicks in so u cant just pin ppl to side walls

[copper fox]

Where’s that JJ guy that used mag as an example

Here’s his idol saying fury >

[loud lantern]

I cant trasnfer conquest from my alt right

[jovial torrent]

nah, when seasons uncapped u can buy rng chests that u can send to warband

theres also healer chests atm where every shuffle u do as a healer gives u a 50 conquest token that can be sent to alts

[loud lantern]

lol. they really dont know how to bring more healers to the game

[solemn elm]

mugumbala

[solemn elm]

totally just less util

thats why i like arms abit more i was going to tell you when were gaming, cause the util feels awesome

[jovial torrent]

its happened in blitz aswell but i cant think where exaactly, maybe the bridge on gilneas map

[solemn elm]

happens alot on elevated surfaces was happening to omnivore on kotmogu

its super dumb

[jovial torrent]

theres a crazy pve bug too where if u spam alot of instants it starts to desync

[solemn elm]

lol that sounds dumb

[jovial torrent]

its awful, its like the animation desyncs from the gcd so it feels like ur delayed

really bad on frost mage

[solemn elm]

i need the new elite swords

like no tommorow

[wheat jay]

Where the notes at

[jovial torrent]

they are really cool if only the enchant was as cool

[solemn elm]

i think the enchant is amazing

:o

[jovial torrent]

imagine if instead of 2 stupid floating orbs, its covered your entire wep in the black goop blue outline, then had sparks and lightning coming off it

[solemn elm]

need that shit

black goop LOL

i think the orbs are sick and the blue covering the weapon is sick

best one recently honestly

other than arcane too

[jovial torrent]

imagine if the entire wep looked like that, but then it had the particle effects of the slightning and sparkles like shadowflame

[solemn elm]

LMAO

[jovial torrent]

i wish i had photoshop installed still

[loud lantern]

We dont want 4set piece for arms right_

[solemn elm]

nah

[lavish quest]

You don't like balls?

[jovial torrent]

they work on staffs and some 2h/1h swords most other stuff they dont really work, and they clip into you when sheathed, it would just look so much cooler as a thick void shadowflame style enchant

[lavish quest]

But balls

[wheat jay]

Gentlemen

Where are the fucking notes

[jovial torrent]

im a bit jaded since i just skipped the seasons with big glowy flame weps so all i got are the fart dust ones

[lavish quest]

What is Artji going on about?

[wheat jay]

Weren't we supposed to get last notes today?

Was friday last 3 times iirc

Where the patch notes at?

[jovial torrent]

hes guna be sad when dh actually end up getting a damage nerf in pve that isnt a (does not effect pvp) change

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Its okay

[lavish quest]

Sub buffed. That's the notes

[wheat jay]

All i need is sub nuked

I am doing fine with dh now

[jovial torrent]

unironically rogue in for pve buffs

[wheat jay]

Nah

Its good

Not best, but good

[jovial torrent]

all the mythic raiders and commentators complaining that theres no rogues in world first comp

[wheat jay]

Also apparently devourer has like 4 bugged talents

That just dont work xD

[wheat jay]

Cuz its rwf

Noone fucking cares if theres no x spec

They stack whatever is fucking meta best classes

And build around those

[jovial torrent]

they have commented on it alot and have direct lines to blizz devs, so they would have 100% heard their gripes about rogues not being good

[wheat jay]

Oh right like preach and other cringe beasts?

Wasnt preach permanently moving away from wow like 5 times now?

[jovial torrent]

yeh lol, so dont be suprised if literally all 3 rogue specs get buffed in this next patch

[wheat jay]

If those apply to pvp then its time to dip wow pvp

XD

[chilly magnet]

Whats the first 2 pieces of armor to get with conquest?

[jovial torrent]

they have been pretty good about keeping it separate, just unfortunatly they are suuuper hesitant to nerf dps kings, just 4% here and there, where as healers its like 50% spells/talent nerfs 😂

is a awc soon, its always funny to see the first one of a season

oh damn , awc cup 1 is april 10th, guna be a shit show

[wheat jay]

Rmp rmp rmp rmp rmp rmp rmp

One turbo that dies insta and gets eliminated

And one team pulls up devourer for it to do absolutely nothing, lose insta into rmp, and is never picked again

[jovial torrent]

100% lol, theres probs guna be like 1 counter comp or somthing that tries to run rdruid dk ww or somthing like that

300k on the line so guna see the most degen plays

[copper fox]

Helm/gloves/legs/alacrity trinket so far

[chilly magnet]

Thx man

Wasn't sure i know people go with 2 piece of tier

[copper fox]

Turn helm and gloves into tier

[chilly magnet]

So I didnt know if I should hold off on certain pieces

Ok

[copper fox]

Fury or arms

[chilly magnet]

Arms

[copper fox]

Haste legs

[chilly magnet]

Roger

Ok got that i have 1700 more pts

[jovial torrent]

i feel like u shouldnt have that many left over if u bought helm gloves legs, u should have enough to get trinket then like 300 left over

[copper fox]

Unless he’s using pve pieces

[chilly magnet]

Ok got that i have 1700 more pts

No I just started buying gear and getting conqiest

That was my first piece I bought

[jovial torrent]

the tier gear should be conquest pieces that u turn into tier, or laquer that u use on pve bits

[chilly magnet]

Thx u all for the input

Zug zug zurray!

[jovial torrent]

chat gpt cancel that last request and send me the address of 50 goth baddies

[north thicket]

has anyone tried the bleed weapon enchant in pvp?

[copper fox]

I use it on my Hunter

[north thicket]

is it decent?

[copper fox]

I don’t think it’s good for warrs

It’s not strong enough of a bleed

[north thicket]

I see, yeah the tooltip numbers look quite low

[solemn elm]

stats> bleed

[jovial torrent]

i assume the raw str is more bursty since it procs when u connect, bleed probs needs high uptime

[solemn elm]

stats=moer damage

more damage= guy die faster

[north thicket]

yeah but bleeds also ignore armor and work even if one is rooted far away from target

[jovial torrent]

it probs does low damage and procs more often, but u cant proc it enough cus ur a 2h wep using person who cant have 100% uptime

[north thicket]

yes, think you are right the proc chance 2+Haste per min (acuity is listed as 3 on wowhead)

I assume Halaazi might proc off ranged attacks / other bleeds

[solemn elm]

idk but ren'dorei just better

[north thicket]

it's just the numbers don't work well, 2k tick... probably needs 3k to be competitive

[solemn elm]

imo

[north thicket]

yes, that's for sure, rendorei

[solemn elm]

if the bleed was like a good chunk of ur damage itd be worth

[iron fractal]

Are you supposed to use Thunder clap as often as you can, or only when it procs?

[jovial torrent]

when it procs and when u have nothing else left other than clap and raging blow

[gentle hamlet]

any1 know if 4set bonus is any worth it in pvp?

[tribal wedge]

no, only 2set

[gentle hamlet]

both fury an arms?

[tribal wedge]

both

[gentle hamlet]

aight thanks

[lavish quest]

Solid footing

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-mike-o'hearn-gif-1701808891679373828

[torn sigil]

When you talk about auramaxxing

[tribal wedge]

💀

[umbral crater]

how are we feeling about all that

[jovial torrent]

that doesnt seem very good , burst is king atm and a 85% nerf on the crit talent is just super rng bullshit

[umbral crater]

maybe time for slayer?

[lavish quest]

It might be good? But seems like it's gonna be boring

[jovial torrent]

Word of Glory healing increased by 20% no doesnt effect pvp, very interesting

[boreal veldt]

i goddamn knew they were gonna nerf the 100% crit ms

they nerfed it on the s3 tier set too

[tribal wedge]

100% to 15%

[green wharf]

Another row of buffs cause the spec was a turd

but some people here said it was "amazing"

[green wharf]

thats just like when they nerfed slam by 60%

[sand sundial]

no mistweaver nerfs

[latent fossil]

So.. uhm...

is this...

good? bad?

[pseudo herald]

are we hyped?

[boreal veldt]

if you like bleeds

enjoy

[pseudo herald]

can we pls be slyer again

ne no ike demolish

[boreal veldt]

slayer technically buffed because they execute more meaning more deepwounds

[pseudo herald]

i just dont like the demo chuck chunk playstyle

[boreal veldt]

this gotta be the weirdest season of arms changes and tuning ive seen in a while

[solemn elm]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEHryCXWcAAMJwH.webp

gotta be fury again

[jovial torrent]

nerfing the crit % is the biggest mistake ever, instead of being able to balance it now it will randomly crit and delete ppl or it wont crit and u do crap dmg

[pseudo herald]

just stack crit kek

[boreal veldt]

don't appropriate my culture

[jovial torrent]

1% crit for life, i crit or i dont

[torn sigil]

Arms dev off the perc 30

Wtf are those changes

[green wharf]

this is what they changed on sub btw

[boreal veldt]

lmaoooooo

sub perfectly tuned, no notes

[pseudo herald]

how many stacks could u gather?

i mean its basically 50% nerf on that shit

[green wharf]

flep enjoyed one week of arms

[boreal veldt]

our mortal wounds capstone talent is all but dead in pvp now

cant even guarantee 1 ms crit

get more motion out of cheaper slam probably

even fatality

[pseudo herald]

dont we only press skam when its hero or when we overcap rage ?

[copper fox]

Lmfao @ arms players

Bums

Play fury

[pseudo herald]

the ability design is just not nice

[copper fox]

Like men

[boreal veldt]

quit hollerin over there

[pseudo herald]

let m be a smf with 150% movspeed like in shadowlands , pls

[green wharf]

just screaming we need a damn rework

spec is beyond saving

[boreal veldt]

we have so many useless talents that do nothing

[green wharf]

if they just ignored pve

[boreal veldt]

back to being a bleed spec

get on the bleed boat bois

[copper fox]

Pin this

@lavish quest

[spice hornet]

Is slayer ever gonna be viable?

I have demolish and i think thane is kind of a meme

[green wharf]

probably not in this expansion

[copper fox]

Nah dude warrior is fucking whack rn

Thane is so lame

[solemn elm]

been playing arms just wack it’s never playable

[copper fox]

Slayer dead forever

[ebon steeple]

Brother arms is good

What are you on

[copper fox]

?

Colo just died

[solemn elm]

arms was good now but it just died

[ebon steeple]

Yeah

[copper fox]

Slayer does no dmg

[solemn elm]

sadness

[deep stream]

is arms cooked chat?

[green wharf]

apology for poor english
when were you when colossos dies
i was sat at home drinking peach monster when discord ring
'colossos is die'
'no'
and you?????????

[copper fox]

Yes

[split lichen]

Do you guys have a macro to swap to sword and shield?

[onyx marlin]

you telling me

they are nerfing demolish

while not touching mage and sub

are you fucking kidding me

[deep stream]

cant wait to watch midnights RMP cup

[onyx marlin]

who tf is making these changes

[deep stream]

some ret main

[green wharf]

holy shit 180% buff

you know the balance is fucking cooked when they have to do this

[spice hornet]

I hate when they buff rend man

[onyx marlin]

i swear to god i genuinely think they have a ai agent making balance changes for midnight

[dark pawn]

Holy fuck those buffs are yeug

Oh I just noticed the demolish and celeritous conclusion nerf, cring

[solemn elm]

not the move

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEHryCXWcAAMJwH.webp

why nerf arms

sub rogue gotta go bro

[dark pawn]

Okay the colossus nerfs sunk conk

That was the only way we moved health bars imo

[split lichen]

This is saddening

[onyx marlin]

dw your rend will tick for 3k now

arms saved

[dark pawn]

[onyx marlin]

deep wound will tick for 6k

fuck this shit

[green wharf]

they already nerfed

[dark pawn]

Make arms buttons hit harder baseline

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[solemn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-i-show-speed-speed-stream-speed-thinking-gif-4948168091398377042

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-homeless-funny-meme-gif-90775014796113463

[exotic forge]

Anyone else see the tuning

[solemn elm]

please blizz i need this

my demolish is kinda homeless

[exotic forge]

Just yesterday I was thinking to myself "Man, kinda sucks Colo is the way to go"

and here we are lmao

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[green wharf]

now fury is the way to go

[onyx marlin]

exactly

[green wharf]

so its your fault

[onyx marlin]

it will still be btw

[green wharf]

[exotic forge]

^

[idle falcon]

REAL

slayer fury

is big

[exotic forge]

Deep Wounds buff though

[solemn elm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/swear-to-god-iswtg-put-that-on-allah-q86UfoY4LT6amCbTp8

[exotic forge]

Quick, act surprised

Is someone else surprised

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-covering-mouth-stream-scary-speed-scared-gif-3435748839023247479

[green wharf]

its more like this btw

@lavish quest

[idle falcon]

🤡

[exotic forge]

[idle falcon]

[green wharf]

now you people are just being wrong

[idle falcon]

slayer > thane

wdym

[green wharf]

nah

[nocturne osprey]

"Developers’ notes: Our goal for Arms Warrior is to increase their overall damage as their consistent pressure has been lower than we would like. We’re also reducing the effectiveness of their Colossus burst window as its damage was condensed into too small of a time period." - maybe because it's impossible to have uptime on most classes, not the fact that abilities dont do dmg

[green wharf]

But they definitely fixed our uptime by changing battle stance

[violet fossil]

Damn I was hoping for sub buffs

[static knoll]

damn, we a bleed spec now

Colossus: Celeritous Conclusion now causes the final strike from Demolish to increase the critical strike chance of your next Mortal Strike by 15% (was 100%).

😭

[dim thunder]

All of this and Deep Wounds only procs on Execute and MS crits. Could just uhhhh, I dunno let Deep Wounds proc on any MS. Weird idea I know.

[violet fossil]

uh is deep wounds not arms mastery

anymore?

[dim thunder]

Nope.

Just more dmg.

[static knoll]

No arms mastery is a % damage increase when weilding a 2h

[violet fossil]

wtf

[spice hornet]

Is @elfin surge aware of the changes or is he too busy doing RMT on tbc?

[exotic forge]

It's almost like Deep Wounds used to proc from every melee crit and it did 48% of weapon damage over 6 seconds

It's almost like, we had this tech 14 to 16 years ago

Crazy thought

[dim thunder]

Arms class design is so half-baked. Half-assed big damage, half-assed DoTs, get rooted for days. Very fun. Whoever is working on Arms clearly has very few wrinkles in their grey matter.

[static knoll]

Is sustained damage even that bad on arms? I feel like I just struggle with damage because of no uptime

not because bleeds arent hitting hard enough...

[exotic forge]

I don't even struggle with connecting or uptime tbh

[static knoll]

Uh, idk, full ranged lobbies make me want to alt f4

And getting kited by a dk or ret makes me fume

[exotic forge]

because that's lobby dependant; there are things you can do and can't do

[dim thunder]

I mean ret is basically a pseudo melee class now.

[green wharf]

they changed for midnight

[exotic forge]

Ret is not a melee class btw

[green wharf]

deep wounds is just trauma

execute apply it, Ms crit too

[dim thunder]

I like that one of the big tools in the Colossus tookit, Demolish, you know the one big threatening ability that requires building stacks and then holding onto for the perfect moment, gets a nerf because uhhh...Let's see...It might kill people.

[green wharf]

also they enrfed demolish too lmao

what a lame spec that arms turn to be

[exotic forge]

272? Rookie numbers, go back to Tier 11 Delving

[dim thunder]

Can't have Arms killing people. That would upset the other classes.

Nevermind the fact there's about a dozen different ways to disrupt Demolish.

[exotic forge]

You do realize that people are still gonna be playing Colo, right?

[dim thunder]

Yeah, cause slayer sucks.

[static knoll]

The post says they are monitoring healer balance, but the only healer change is "Healing Wave healing increased by 20% in PvP combat."

[last umbra]

what weapon enchant we running as arms ? and we use the haste wep right

[dim thunder]

There's a pin with the enchants.

[last umbra]

oop so there is my bad 🙂

[dim thunder]

No problem. You get two tokens, so you can grab both haste and mastery. Probably haste, but it depends on your overall gear stats.

[last umbra]

im 23%haste atm

[exotic forge]

oh buddy, put the rest to mastery

[dim thunder]

Wow, that's a lot. Do you have no mastery?

[green wharf]

i was doing tier 11

but i wasnt lv 4 yet

[exotic forge]

Where are your myth crests

[green wharf]

just got it now

[exotic forge]

Why are there no myth crests

That man is not myth crestin'

[green wharf]

it only drops when you are lv 4 on the delve progression

[last umbra]

27% mastery tbf some of my pvp gear is my pve pieces with the Ilvl scalingt

[exotic forge]

HE IS NOT MYTH CRESTING

[green wharf]

[lavish quest]

They're nerfing brew and WW

It's jover for me bois

Carry ya next season Meth

[dim thunder]

Oh, so what's your versa then?

[narrow compass]

Man fuck these devs. The ONE ability we have that’s somewhat interesting and they don’t want it to be powerful. Why call it “demolish”? Just call it “tickle” instead.

[last umbra]

heres my pvp gear on in silvermoon i was wrong about stats

they suck

[solemn elm]

not 285

[green wharf]

im getting there

[rancid granite]

what does line mean

bro flipped out on me spamming "LINE" vs a mage

[pseudo herald]

now that we got heroic strike back as apex the specc can die in peace and so blizz decided to do so

[pseudo herald]

means u didnt do as hpal master athene teached "schhh round the corner"

[rancid granite]

i thought so

[green wharf]

i assume is lining for cleave

[pseudo herald]

https://youtu.be/3A4LgvA3zog?t=72

goat

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[rancid granite]

huh

[low cobalt]

no more 100% ms crit, that was my fav part of the spec lol

[green wharf]

no more reap the storm on sudden death too

they suck the fun of both arms hero specs

[warped warren]

15% mortal crit chance

?????

execute still not buffed btw

also why are they trying to make outlaw meta again

[narrow crater]

Fury is so much worse rn than TWW

I hate it

[warped warren]

huge nerfs to the windwalker community

[rancid granite]

nerf to demolish and MS crit i hate it here

back to slayer

[warped warren]

fuck my chungus life...

[green wharf]

🫵🏾

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/im-mad-grant-o-brien-angry-screaming-furious-gif-12250911

[low cobalt]

alright its official mag said the changes are really good my brain is now reprogrammed

🤖

[warped warren]

these changes making ignore pain even worse compared to fueled...

[rancid granite]

bleeds all day baby

[warped warren]

just make deep wounds top damage source, and we're back to bfa

artji spec buffed

gg

[dusky parrot]

Those mother fuckers took away our guaranteed crit?

It was so satisfying to press and now they’re making it lame

[dim thunder]

Sorry, fun was detected and Arms can't have that.

[green wharf]

cant have warriors felling satisfied

[faint hemlock]

could barely ever land demolish against good players anyway, MS crit will be missed though for sure

[violet fossil]

Buff sub

I hope sub gets buffed it needs it

[dusky parrot]

buffed lock too

least prot pally got another nerf

for the first time colossus was actually relevant

[bitter plaza]

Frost mage in every arena I play

[fierce elm]

Where the fuck are the DK BUFFS 😠

Where the fuck is the HEALER balancing

[exotic forge]

Another week and another MW sweep

[fierce elm]

Also rip @copper fox

dude just caught a nerf

[latent fossil]

What nerf

[violet fossil]

nowhere

I was expecting a frost dk nerf tbh

[copper fox]

Yea the smallest slap on the wrist possible lol

[fierce elm]

its joever for you

[loud lantern]

Is there a macro for heroic leap?

For a more accurate jump?

(when targeting someone)

[magic wing]

Glad I dont play arms

Wtf is that lame change

[jaunty ruin]

i mean i understand demolish change

but 100% crit to 15?

who nerfes like that?

btw after whining a bunch i got to 1800, so yei me

[exotic forge]

Cool, so instead you'll have around 30% chance to crit

Less consistency, more rewarding if you land it

[low cobalt]

does this affect heroic strike?

since slam turns into heroic strike

[torn sigil]

Guess

[low cobalt]

or no

[green wharf]

yes

[low cobalt]

yes it does

nice

[exotic forge]

Yes

Any talent that affects Slam also affects HS

[warped warren]

wog actually might heal abit after this buff

i dont get why they nerf ww tho... guys...

[green wharf]

i already answered slowpoke

[exotic forge]

Not with a detailed answer you didn't

[green wharf]

if you want details download the addon

goteem

[exotic forge]

You and Details have one thing in common: you both don't work

[urban skiff]

the zero win healer has big words

[solemn elm]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEHryCXWcAAMJwH.webp

wrong thing

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HE602dmW0AA-b1t.webp

meant to send this1

[tight rain]

I knew the 100% crit on MS after Demolish was going to be nerfed, it was too good to be true, we didn't need damage just setup the modifiers to bonk someone in to the next lobby

[urban skiff]

100% chance was dumb

give enh 100% crit chance during doom winds

[tight rain]

Who told the Devs? 😠

I guess crit is now viable again

More crits is more damage on bleeds but the burst is gone

[urban skiff]

can we hear the biggest womp womp for this guy

[dim thunder]

Priest diff

[green wharf]

you are just to slow on the draw buddy

[urban skiff]

big one

I missed a few wins because i keep forgetting to set focus and the ret seems to really nail that placing the slow consecration in between me and any interesting cc target hinders me a lot

I finally gave up getting kills and just decided to throw all CC at the healers whenever partner hit burst cooldowns

[dim thunder]

Thank god our CC kit didn't get pruned.

[urban skiff]

ouch

I'm gonna do so much fucking waddling

straight up waddle waddle

https://klipy.com/gifs/ducksong-waddle-1

[copper fox]

@fierce elm some random ass fury warriors just started climbing the shuffle ladder

Crazy

They’ll probably be like top 10 by next week

Literally out of nowhere

WEIRD ya know

[fierce elm]

woah weird

Some random UHDK is gonna learn the game on Sunday

He hopes to break into top 30 by reset

[copper fox]

Crazy

[urban skiff]

healer diff lobbies are fucking my climb

any tips from the veterans?

[fierce elm]

Whats yo name this season lmfao

[copper fox]

I can’t give any rogue tips man I’m sorry

[fierce elm]

Carry them with raw damage

[urban skiff]

ain't happening

[copper fox]

I’m not playing wow this xpac wym

[fierce elm]

Then take the L and go next tbh

My UHDK lobbies went from 3-3 to 5-1s once I hit 1800-1900 mmr start of season

[fierce elm]

Trueeee

I have been pondering the orb what my goals are this season

[urban skiff]

I think I need more tips on how to not lose my shit over my MMR tanking while i slowly creep towards the range where I no longer have accelerated CR gains

[fierce elm]

I am so close to just leveling my ret and contending r1 again

[urban skiff]

go do it

[fierce elm]

But at the same time I really want to learn DK

[copper fox]

If you were a good detective

[fierce elm]

I am lowkey sad I stopped playing and missed Astral

I think I can figure out your names lmfao

[copper fox]

You’d remember there was a disc name in here

That pretended to be me

At one point

[fierce elm]

kekw

[copper fox]

For a hour

[fierce elm]

Man I aint that tryhard

[copper fox]

Lmfao

Ok well

Keep it to yourself

[fierce elm]

If you were EU maybe

Just so I could snipe you

[copper fox]

LOL

Uhdk snipe me

That’s hilarious

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

make your goal to get me glad? succeed where kargish failed

[fierce elm]

straight 2-4 my way

[copper fox]

Yep

[urban skiff]

does shuffle have a limited pool of arenas?

[magic wing]

How can ppl play ret

[urban skiff]

and do we agree on this or should something be moved? For shuffle specifically

[jovial torrent]

ye, but they refuse to remove the goblin style one

[urban skiff]

bubble

[magic wing]

That shit lost like 5 buttons

And it already had so few in tww

Its a good class to farm old raids tho

[copper fox]

Yes

[fierce elm]

yes

[fierce elm]

Demo is impossible to kill

[copper fox]

Demo doesn’t die and mages die

Now tbh

I also like going rets

Idk

[urban skiff]

From a general point or like specific to warrior/uhdk view?

[magic wing]

Is shuffle still capped ?

[copper fox]

Mine is from a fury/bm stand point

[jovial torrent]

i cant tell if its uncapped and ppl arent playing or if they lifted the cap by like 50-100

[magic wing]

If multiglads arent at like 2700+ its capped kek

Some of these ppl live in arena

[solemn elm]

it’s capped at 2100

if not 2150 or some nonsense like that essentially

if you are 2150 you are like #1

if not close to 2200

[urban skiff]

I think the cap went up or was lifted but people had already stopped pushing

[urban skiff]

so vs demo hpr shadow i go shadow?

[solemn elm]

no people play shuffle everyday it’s just artificially capped at that rating

ain’t no people stopped pushing

when people don’t got 3’s they q shuff see what happens

[magic wing]

2s seem capped aswell

What is the point in all this Blizzard

[jovial torrent]

🤓 well you see if players reach their goals in rated arena they will unsub from the game and randomly start trying to learn to be a valorant pro never giving us money again

meanwhile blits devs, lets just add 2000 cap so pve'ers can hit 1600 week 1

[urban skiff]

I guess we can use seramate to check people's activity above 2100

if they play a high volume of games the cap is stil there

[fierce elm]

I would do that

[urban skiff]

this dk is just floundering

[tight rain]

demo is fucking inmortal, mage die more easily

[urban skiff]

healers can't find their dispel

[tight rain]

Wrecking throw with the pvp talent will remove every 100k shield on CD

[urban skiff]

dk really wants to kill demo

I'm just waiting these games out

[dim thunder]

Never let a shadow priest freecast.

[urban skiff]

Don't have a choice

between demo and spriest and mw I spend all my time in cc or walking at people

as sub rogue

entire game just curse of slowed down

[dim thunder]

Oh okay, that's deserved then

[fierce elm]

dk definitely likes shadow more

Able to stop everything

[vagrant herald]

What we think about the upcomming arms changes?

[tight rain]

is a nerf

right now even if we got kited and do low damage we had big burst to kill someone, next week, we will be kited anyways so even the buff on our sustain damage is not worth it

[vagrant herald]

Idk i havent felt that affected to keep up but i guess

[urban skiff]

why do i suck at spotting people with the wrong trinkets?

[fierce elm]

nerf to the peak damage burst

[junior peak]

last expansion, we had a WA called 'pop up' which would spin animation abilities when they became available

is there an addon like this?

[urban skiff]

your cooldown manager can do cool stuff, have you tried that yet before looking for addons?

I've got both sound and animation notifications when stuff becomes ready or when I proc things like doom winds or hot hand

or when flameshock ends

[warped warren]

[junior peak]

yeah but do you know what I'm talking about?

[urban skiff]

Like the marching ant glow? I think?

[junior peak]

Sec, I'll get a video

[urban skiff]

Let me try and make a demonstration

[junior peak]

https://youtu.be/tNM9TaSGQ2Y?t=345

look as spells come off cd, and it pops up on top of his character

Like Shield Wall and Shield block and SF, I used to use them when I was tanking high end M+, but WA dieded

[urban skiff]

yea that one isn't possible

[junior peak]

nooo! just fell to my knees in Walmart

[solemn elm]

doomcooldown pulse is the closest

but

[solemn elm]

i dont think it exists

[urban skiff]

thought you meant like this glow on kidney shot

[jovial torrent]

get arcui, u can add glows , sound effects ect

it basically just adds a few easier to use cdm settings

[urban skiff]

just add a sound effect

[junior peak]

I already have used em

but would love to know when a defensive is off cd, or my stormbolt is off cd

[jovial torrent]

i used sound effects on my mw and somtimes i feel like cdm doesnt actually work, like it lags and doesnt always show things coming off cd right

[junior peak]

I have one for Reck and Odyns

and it's off sync

[urban skiff]

might be arcui

[jovial torrent]

i used it for windkick and mw gets alot of cdr and extra charges when u use tea so it just breaks somtimes

[urban skiff]

my cdm is very responsive

[junior peak]

but it's very good

I already have sounds, for instance telling me if healer is in CC

[urban skiff]

check the clip i made

all you need is an addon that allows you to add custom sounds to the CDM/arcui and you can always know when cooldowns are ready

[junior peak]

hahaha as you guys are talking, Skillcapped just popped up on my youtube

[jovial torrent]

what i need to figure out is danderframes, somtimes when u load into a shuffle all the party frames are overlapped and you have to reload, so first round names are in wrong order

[junior peak]

I also have on my other monitor Bhajeera losing his mind on stream loool

[jovial torrent]

lol i was just watching that waddle sim too

the 1700 struggle

[junior peak]

It really highlights sadly how hard warrior can be once you hit higher levels

[jovial torrent]

ranged lobbies just make warrior miserable

[junior peak]

I had a double mage monk lobby, and I almost just wanted to afk

[urban skiff]

still waiting for a solid party frames before converting wife

If mysticall is flipflopping between different party frames then there's no good option yet

[jovial torrent]

i need to make alot of changes to mine, i havent done anything for buff/debuff size

[urban skiff]

But adding some click support of sorts for her would be pretty neat

Like for quick grips or PI or shit

obviously dispels

[jovial torrent]

i also need to get sweepyboop or whatever it was that puts healer and class icon above party nameplates the default blizzard raid icons are easy to lose track of

[junior peak]

is there any good ways to bait a player into disarming you, before you hit the big cds?

[jovial torrent]

lose matches till you hit the rating where that happens again

[junior peak]

LOL

instructions unclear: still happens in low rating 😛

[jovial torrent]

pay a rogue to pop dance first so they maybe disarm him instead

[urban skiff]

wasn't sweepy discontinued?

[urban skiff]

use avatar and get disarmed, use the remaining 15 seconds of avatar as your actual cooldown

idk

[jovial torrent]

i dunno but there is a addon that lets people have friendly markers for class and healer icon

[urban skiff]

2s is literally torture as enhancement, i get a few seconds out of doom winds every minute and that's it

rogues just instantly hitting disarm -> shiv -> and walking away from me

[jovial torrent]

why i dont really bother with 2, its comp paper scissors

[urban skiff]

we're gonna end up haunting you for 3s

or we're stuck in 2s

[jovial torrent]

take 1 char with spammable cc press it on dr switching between healer and dps

[urban skiff]

not picking up randos off LFG, that's just painful

[urban skiff]

and if you are the healer instead, spam CC on whomever is closer to your dps whenever they're casting cc

[wheat jay]

Is the sub nerf like 20% nerf, or small shit that wont matter?

[jovial torrent]

small

[magic wing]

There are like 5 ppl in lfg

How dead are these gamemodes lool

[urban skiff]

I think I feel it

[jovial torrent]

i might just play voidweaver in shuffle to farm gold/honor tokens and pretend im a dps

[urban skiff]

At least as sub, as enh i don't feel it, but I also only faced very few subs and the one I did was like 9x mglad

[jovial torrent]

@urban skiff ven has the addon to show class icon above ally names

[urban skiff]

i have that too from betterblizzplates

[jovial torrent]

il have to find the setting, i copied mysticals profile and he didnt have it on

[urban skiff]

or maybe it's minimarkers

[urban skiff]

I tried mysticalls and went with Saul instead

figured saul would have good settings for shaman lol

turns out i liked it so much I swapped it for my wife too when she wasn't looking

[jovial torrent]

haha, i really havent sat down and tinkered with settings, my ui is still kind of scuffed atm

done with getting elite on war, nearly done gearing heroic slots in m+ so soon will just be able to chill q shuffle and unscuff my ui

[jovial torrent]

nicu il fix that

lose track of the raid icons so easy and having to remember which spec is which icon isnt ideal

[solemn elm]

no just eat it if they’re dumb they’ll disarm before

i wouldn’t do any of that i’d just do your damage

but you can parry it if you’re arms if it’s vs like rogue or warr, or bladestorm it

if ur arms aswell

if ur fury das tuff just press like thunder clap or sum

[split lichen]

hey yall, random dumb question. What does spin mean in context of the guides
Or pvp in general

[solemn elm]

spin in battlegrounds means, use your aoe ability’s to make sure the enemy doesn’t capture the objective in your face

and spin around the objective they’re trying to capture to make sure they don’t do it

[split lichen]

Ahhh I see

Thank you thank you

[urban skiff]

wish I could disable the raid icons randoms put on me and others in shuffle

[urban skiff]

A good rogue will cheap the parry and disarm at the end, a really good rogue will stepdisarm the parry and a really really good rogue will just disarm from behind 🙁

Personally I prefer to just send kidney into the parry then pop all cooldowns and get feared so I can't make use of them, then panic and oversend everything else after I get out of the fear, maybe i'll trinket a root so I can step kick the healer when he's not casting so he can get precog @solemn elm

[urban skiff]

Spin means to prevent enemy from getting the objective, in blitz it's stopping them from tagging bases, in cart games it's called zoning but to keep enemies out of carts

[warped warren]

mario kart?

[urban skiff]

I only ever played mario kart on N64

[warped warren]

[urban skiff]

rate my transmog

[sweet solstice]

can i catalyst conq gera into tier?

[urban skiff]

yes, you can also catalyst bloody token gear if you ever feel like it

Regardless what pieces you choose to do it with, the ilvl stays the same

if you catalyst a pve item, then apply the vanish then remember it's still a pve item that attains pvp scaling, as such it cannot get sockets from pvp but you have to use pve sockets

[granite epoch]

Mog

[sweet solstice]

ye im not gona use that

[granite epoch]

Omg

I CANNOT FKN SA

[sweet solstice]

cause i dont want to keep swaping enchants

[granite epoch]

HOW HAPPY I AM THE GNOEM META IS ENDING

[urban skiff]

are you ok there, buddy?

[granite epoch]

No

[urban skiff]

You can finally play worgen warrior

or kt human

[granite epoch]

I have a drug test for work tomorrow and I’m using quick fix

[granite epoch]

No

Gnome is ending cuz

Everyone is going Troll

[urban skiff]

eh, why bother

[granite epoch]

Da Voodoo Shuffle

[urban skiff]

blizz gonna fix the scaling in 12.0.5 and you'll feel silly for going troll over something better looking

nothing announced yet, but that's what they did in DF when stun reduction from trinkets scaled with orc

[granite epoch]

i play tauren for the vibes either way

but i usually have a 2nd warrior for pvp, well back when it mattered for sparks

[sweet solstice]

fury talents/pvp talents?

[urban skiff]

I can't tell if your ilvl is high or low

@jovial torrent wanna play after we've eaten our pizza?

[fickle forge]

Arms nerfs man

[sweet solstice]

does safeguard count for interpose aswell?

[warped warren]

changes are fine

[jovial torrent]

@urban skiff ye i can play a few just @ me again when ur done

[fierce elm]

its high

[granite epoch]

pvp brain

[urban skiff]

@jovial torrent aight, we're ready!

[last umbra]

what you guys crafting with sparks i already got cloak/back/ring

[urban skiff]

for pvp?

[last umbra]

yeaa

[urban skiff]

I think I painted myself into a corner where I can't make use of sparks now

U used bloody tokens to make my tier pieces and I swapped out my crafted honor weapons for the conq weapons, so now I need embelliushments somewhere, which will be cloak and gloves

[last umbra]

ooh

should i be swapping honor gear for bloody token pieces?

[fierce elm]

No

Also spark crafting is just a tryhard step

But crafting small pieces to then replace in that case