pvp

[sharp meteor]

so like eh

just instantly knocking off a barrier

feels decent

[copper fox]

It’s a big trade off.
Bubble timer + mobility spells to target swap + mobility again to get back to ret after bubble (potentially)

Or just shatter it

All within that time their cds are coming back up

[hearty vault]

Hello! Is this the Discord where players play a class similar to the hunter's pet but with some extra features?

[copper fox]

Yes

[wheat jay]

Not too many extra features tho

Dont get your hopes up

[wheat jay]

Yeee but 9% buff in pvp

[hearty vault]

HAHAHAHA! Sorry. We are worst than a pet. And waiting to 12.0.5 nerfs next weeks

[urban skiff]

roughly 5% buff then

[urban skiff]

Chill, warriors are gonna be fine

[elfin herald]

reduaced

at least this time isnt chat gpt notes

[fierce elm]

You mean entirely undecided PTR notes that depend a lot on testing and will probably change before it hits

[elfin herald]

idk you guys but i will have a blast on ret

[green wharf]

the 15% aura buff totally warrant removing reap the storm proc from sudden death

[fierce elm]

It is probably mad fun lmao

[green wharf]

the devs are doing an amazing job

[hearty vault]

Yes, I was just trying to say that people expected those nerfs to be due to the "big changes" coming on the 17th

[fierce elm]

Yeah those people are just plain wrong on how PTR development works

Or semi-right

[elfin herald]

i was alredy having lot of fun on wpvp and skirmishes

[fierce elm]

PTR notes are rarely just set in stone

5 buffs seems pretty good

[elfin herald]

now prob season 1 will rock

[hearty vault]

But it shows that the PTR development team, who should know about the changes on the 17th, have no idea about the warrior problem.

[fierce elm]

Piercing change/nerf, shout nerf

[fierce elm]

That is why PTR exists

for them to test stuff out

The PTR dev team is absolutely more aware than 99.9999% of this discord bar the simcrafters and the actual theorycrafters

We need to stop mixing PTR notes with live gameplay because its an entirely separate thing

[urban skiff]

You're forgetting there's two scheduled balance patches before .5 launches

[lavish quest]

I always got stopped whether they tried too or some accidental aoe cc

[hearty vault]

but did they test But have they tested the current warrior? Or are they waiting to see many players abandon their character in the coming weeks, including a barrage of criticism?

[urban skiff]

They definitely already have the numbers from the next balance patches

[fierce elm]

Yes they have tested the current warrior too

If you abandon your character due to PTR changes then you wholly dont understand how patches work

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm I'm starting to lose my temper with all these "ret warriors" throwing a fit both in discord and on reddit

send help

[wheat jay]

Yep

Its still ass in pvp

[urban skiff]

huh, since when?

[fierce elm]

I think its just a ton of misunderstanding tbh

[urban skiff]

Didn't you proudly proclaim last week they were super fun?

[hearty vault]

I'm sorry if I'm being negative, I hope you're right. But playing as a warrior in battlegrounds or any situation other than 3v3 is a huge joke.

I don't want my warrior to be a paladin, I want to stop being a hunter's pet

[fierce elm]

Because its very easy to mix PTR note and live notes

[wheat jay]

It is fun

[fierce elm]

I mean the game is never balanced around Battlegroubds

I doubt its even balanced around blitz in general

[urban skiff]

Especially the ones complaining that warriors are "behind tanks in damage" just really get under my skin..

[wheat jay]

But its 1:1 fury, but ranged and squishy

[fierce elm]

Except for obscure cases of movement of flags

[urban skiff]

Yea, right behind the tanks dealing more damage than anyone else

[fierce elm]

The dk discord is great rn lmao

[wheat jay]

It has worst defensives in wow

Its super fun tho

[urban skiff]

worse than enh?

[wheat jay]

25% wall 1min cd

Done

[urban skiff]

it still has dodge as a pvp modifier, no?

[fierce elm]

UDHK performs 20-30% above other specs, gets nerfed, everyone asks if Frost is better lmao

[urban skiff]

@wheat jay wait wait wait.. you can't dodge while casting spells

except some classes can

[wheat jay]

No

Dodge is gone

[urban skiff]

They said it, but last i heard from the midnight ptr it was still there, just not on the tooltip

[wheat jay]

Maybe on havoc, if its still there

But no, i dont have it on devourer

There's no healing

Only from leech and thats fuckall

[urban skiff]

yea devourer has the self-healing of warrior without victory rush

it's horrible

[wheat jay]

Yep haha

So, its basically worse fury warrior, but ranged

[urban skiff]

it's around same level as enhancement without surging currents from stormbringer

[wheat jay]

Now, if it plays with rogue, or feral, or warrior

It might be super strong

But most likely it'll be bad

[hearty vault]

I'm sorry, but I'm one of those who think that focusing PvP entirely on 3v3 is a serious mistake in an MMORPG like WoW, and that doing so only leads to a decrease in the number of players who actually do PvP.
I see more potential in Battlegrounds. I also don't know the exact number of players who play BGs. That's why I think complaining about it might actually help.

[urban skiff]

I think it'll be stronk with survival too

[urban skiff]

ironically, blitz is balanced whenever they succeed in creating mirror teams

which is often very close

It doesn't matter that ret is 45% stronger than frost mage, if both teams has a ret and a frost mage

[wheat jay]

Maybe, survi doesnt have enough peels and utility to enable it tho

Warrior does

If you focus pvp on 3s, then bgs work too

[hearty vault]

Then, when Blitz make a team with a hunter's pet, they make another team with a warrior?

[wheat jay]

If you focus pvp on bgs, 3s are done and gone

[fierce elm]

that is entirely fair and a philosophy Blizzar doesnt share

[hearty vault]

If they don't want to work, that's absolutely true. 3v3 is instanced, so they can modify it however they want. Besides, currently 3v3 is more about DPS than mechanics.

[frank knoll]

How’s ele rn?

[fierce elm]

Now that is a hot take if I have ever heard one

3v3 is Mechanically the most challenging gamemode of every PvP mode

by a far margin

[urban skiff]

huh

[fierce elm]

Gonna drive my car home so cant talk/explain it, but it is VERY mechanically challenging

[wheat jay]

Ohhh that is soooo wrong xD

[urban skiff]

only challenging for people who don't have my UI

[wheat jay]

Brother, dps is the most basic thing in arena

[urban skiff]

😄

[wheat jay]

You can sweat your heart out with dps and someone with legion artifact weapon will beat you

And yes, I have beaten people with artifact weapon, at top end 2s mmr xD

[hearty vault]

I insist because of the misinterpretation I have caused: 3v3 used to be more mechanical, now DPS is more important.

[wheat jay]

And that is also wrong

Unless we're talking 1800 shuffle enjoyers

[dim thunder]

Arena is trading cooldowns efficiently and setting up a go to kill someone.

[wheat jay]

You can also win a trade with just mobility xD

[spice hornet]

Good morning @elfin surge

[urban skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/AsEaKDDGRH

RIP rip rip

Poor rerollers

[dim thunder]

Damn, that sucks. They can’t just pop all their CDs and delete someone?

[urban skiff]

Hope the rerollers stay away from enhancement and feral. I dont need them messing up my high ranking

By being too 8 out of 8 total players

[dim thunder]

I might actually get my Frost DK leveled for the season.

[elfin herald]

can we start tierlist shit?

just saw this rn

[hearty vault]

What!?

[sharp meteor]

25% nerf when blood already takes the most dmg and heals for nothing

bury it under the tier list

[static knoll]

Did that warlock on the PvP subreddit make that tier list?

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/guys-laughing-jeremy-clarkson-richard-hammond-guys-laughing-at-wind-gif-13769093434704637619

[wheat jay]

It belongs in raids

[scarlet trout]

blood is good right now in bgs kennie

smile

[sharp meteor]

It was.

Well, is.

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[sharp meteor]

Probably won't be. Need to test.

[warped warren]

[worldly oriole]

did class changes get announced?

holy fuck unholy dk -20 percent dam

its beyond jooever

[exotic forge]

I'm sure it'll be fine

not in PvE tho

[wheat jay]

Still op as fuck s tier spec

[exotic forge]

it'll lag behind Ret

[worldly oriole]

ww untouched

its time to start the gladi push

XD

should i level war now

[fierce elm]

: )

It was about that % ahead of everyone lmfao

[worldly oriole]

havoc dh buffed

it aint jooever

[waxen terrace]

Arms or fury ?

[lavish quest]

Fury

If you want the better spec

[fierce elm]

ponder the orb

[warped warren]

fury....

[wind sand]

Tried fury (as i last played fury when i did pvp), but it doesn't scratch the itch as arms does. Bars just dont move.

That 57k was a sweeping strike MS on the prot pala btw ;dddd

Fresh 90, only 2x trinket and weapons are honor gear

[old thicket]

Is that an addon or settings to have your damage in that particular font/style?

[solemn elm]

classic addon called nicedamage

let’s you change the font to whatever

[old thicket]

Thank you!

[lavish quest]

@fierce elm

1 M0 to spare

[fierce elm]

sheesh

I got two M0s left

[lavish quest]

Doing the last one now cuz f it why not

[fierce elm]

Doing the last 2 with friendos

[lavish quest]

I've only been doing them with friendos

HappyCat

[fierce elm]

ya we did 6

then took a break

then said we will do the other 2 on Sunday

been playing a ton of Deadlock

[lavish quest]

My warrior runs with a 5 stack, then I run my monk with my cousin

[frank knoll]

Is MM actually good again? I hear the apex talents are really nice

[sand sundial]

im 238 with with m0s left

extremely unlucky with gear got fuckall so far

need a 2nd 2h

[green anchor]

it's Still good

biggest change probably no more instant Aimed shots

[solemn elm]

good

better to actually make them have to cast it so uptime on them actually matters where as you see a random brown circle and arrows coming down from the sky and it’s over

[lavish quest]

I leather stacked most of both weeks

Which only resulted in getting like 2 or 3 peices from trades, but still helps

[exotic forge]

NiceDamage user

[exotic forge]

At least you're not like me getting all the crit vers gear

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[gaunt smelt]

do we have any solid talent for pvp yet?

[ornate isle]

dragon charge

about only useful thing out of warrior

[lyric violet]

what gems and enchants you guys running?

for arms

[fierce elm]

Absolutely zero

Though its most likely going to be w.e Vers - Haste gem + meta gem

[solemn elm]

5% less damage taken

like always

haste vers for arms

enduring bloodstone is the name or sum

[sharp meteor]

Heliotrope iirc

[solemn elm]

new name yea my b

thank u fox

[sharp meteor]

Can be found with enduring though

Which is how i do

Idk why it isn't just seasonal bloodstone

[fierce elm]

Go from bloodstone to Heliotrope

How about we get something very easily spellable

Like idk, bloodstone

[sharp meteor]

Yuh

Red rock

[fierce elm]

Can't wait to get Enduring Chalcopyrite

Just fuck me up bro

[exotic forge]

wait til you hear about the Bloody Tectosilicate

Enduring Phosphosiderite

fuckin hell that was a mouthful lmao

[digital badge]

what addon is that jesus fucking crhist

[dusky parrot]

Why

The fuck are they nerfing howl

Who was using howl to begin with

Have they run out of things to nerf?

[fierce elm]

Changing*

But yeah it is a nerf

[urban skiff]

Howl is a raid buff now. It is part of your utility kit you bring to raids

[fierce elm]

They have this crazy thing

Called Dev notes

[urban skiff]

It's an aoe sprint that happens to slow enemies too, now

[wheat jay]

pve > pvp when it comes to balancing

[urban skiff]

If an ability in the forest is nerfed, and nobody used it in the first place, was it really nerfed?

[fierce elm]

Nerf to my leveling speed

[exotic forge]

only time I was using it was in bg's and even then I realized "shit I should be using fear instead"

[lavish quest]

Yeah still lame

[exotic forge]

And what do you know

They turned it into a long ass cd lmao

[fierce elm]

it is

[lavish quest]

Ida rather them just take the move speed back off of it lmao

[exotic forge]

Such a weird change, because slowing enemies and making yourself 30% faster doesn't change the fact that you're being slowed by something else

[urban skiff]

IT'S A RAID UTILITY

[exotic forge]

YOU'RE NOT BRINGING A WARRIOR TO RAID

[urban skiff]

YES YOU ARE, FOR UTILITY

😄

[exotic forge]

NO, UNLESS YOU NEED THEM TO TANK

[urban skiff]

GUESS WHAT, TANKS ALSO HAS ACCESS TO THIS UTILITY

[exotic forge]

Congratulations, the warrior is now 66% more useful

[dusky parrot]

I find it funny how we got 15% dmg buff, yet most other classes got the same shit while already being overpowered

So basically nothing changes

[urban skiff]

who got that while already being overpowered

[dusky parrot]

Ret

[urban skiff]

Ret was overpowered?

[dusky parrot]

You’re pulling my leg right?

[urban skiff]

last I heard they were prepping to shut down their sub again

[dusky parrot]

Yeah every ret is a skill issue moron

Their class is fundamentally the most broken shit in this game

Literally, oppressive burst, mobility with horse and freedom, amazing cleanse and self healing THREE get out of jail free cards and bop can be switched out for casters

[exotic forge]

A buddy of mine was cranking the meters on his Ret and he's not even fully geared. Like 224 ilvl or something, we were doing m0's

I wouldn't call them overpowered but not bad either

[dusky parrot]

A bad ret can fight most encounters, a good ret can fight anything

They are the class for pandering brainless lobotomites and I will DIE on that hill

[exotic forge]

That's DH

[dusky parrot]

oh my god dont get me started

devourer was basically ret 2: electric fucks your ass-boogaloo

like are we fucking serious

[green anchor]

amen

[exotic forge]

Devourer is so boring and overrated

Havoc is more fun

[urban skiff]

I dueled a ret today and he ended up just giving up after i tanked everything he threw at me and then outhealed all his damage and burned through all his defensives. As enhancement, of all things.

[exotic forge]

[green anchor]

was because they were stuck on Valeera's puzzle

[dusky parrot]

then your ret was new

[lavish quest]

We're all ret pally's now

[urban skiff]

Devourer, the spec that has zero self healing or party utility, is ret 2?

[dusky parrot]

one shot on day one, has two blinks, passive leech and dodge stat

[urban skiff]

I've always fucked rets, no matter context. In 2s and 3s, if I see a ret, I know it's a free win

[dusky parrot]

yes Im going to say ret 2

[green anchor]

So far I've outplayed every devourer in a 1v1

as slayer at slayer's rise

[urban skiff]

can you pull up the numbers on that passive leech and dodge stat?

[dusky parrot]

Now devourer has mellowed over since then

[exotic forge]

Devourers are dead the moment you kick them

It was SO EASY to counter their burst during pre-patch

[dusky parrot]

do devourers not have a talent to have passive dodge stat?

[urban skiff]

Someone stubbed their toe and bubble was on cooldown, shutting down had to be done

[exotic forge]

DH's don't have dodge anymore

[dusky parrot]

because I would get dodged on attacks even when they dont pop blur

[exotic forge]

Blur was bugged

[urban skiff]

You cannot dodge while casting spells

[exotic forge]

It was still giving them dodge

but that was fixed

[urban skiff]

It's a base mechanic the game does not lift for anything

(except monks)

[dusky parrot]

oh okay then I resend that remark

I didnt know that

[gaunt smelt]

can someone help me with a good talent tree for warr?

[dusky parrot]

what spec you thinking, big man?

[gaunt smelt]

fury

[urban skiff]

fact is, devourer has no selfhealing, no true party utility, has to get in close and has no defenses when they get stunned.

[urban skiff]

pins

[exotic forge]

And it's so easy to shutdown a DH, you just cc them, you put that bitch on a Spear, they won't do anything

[urban skiff]

yea this

[dusky parrot]

yeah ive done that, digressing to ret paladins- which sparked this whole debate to begin with

[urban skiff]

A Devourer attacked me while I was killing a guardian druid and he was dead before cap totem stun ended, people really need to understand how effective hp works in the context of defensives

[exotic forge]

Devourer Meta drains faster while they're in combat. Root them, slow them, kite 'em, it's game over for them

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/WAh5tM52TTY?t=207

Video at timestamp explains how defensives damage reduction % warps everything

People expect a 25% DR to be half as good as a 50%

20% defensive gives 25% EHP
40% defensive gives 66% EHP
60% defensive gives 150% EHP

[exotic forge]

good video

[urban skiff]

It's easily S tier for explaining some things that are actually applicable to arenas, although the numbers themselves aren't necessarily true

rate my stats

[green anchor]

the 2% from crit need to go to vers

it gave me ocd

[exotic forge]

don't worry about it

[dusky parrot]

also I saw a patch note that slam will be proccing mortal wounds?

[urban skiff]

can't do anything about it, there's only one dagger and it has crit

stupid achievement

less than 7k to go

[green anchor]

do Epic bg premades lol

[urban skiff]

just regular epic bgs will do

it's gone up like 3k since midnight released and i finished levelling

[exotic forge]

The way they worded it was misinforming. It affects Deep Wounds talent, not the MS effect

[dusky parrot]

ohhhh

[exotic forge]

So Mortal Strike and Slam crits (I assume it also applies to HS) apply DW

[dusky parrot]

I was like, then what the hell is the point of Mortal Strike being named Mortal Strike

can you give me the link to those patch notes i cant find em

[exotic forge]

Would've been a neat change but that would've warranted a Slam nerf

[dusky parrot]

its ptr or something no?

[exotic forge]

Those are PTR notes

they're subject to change

[worldly oriole]

Its Not Jooever The Season Just Started Lol

[green anchor]

I really hate what how they did DW application in Midnight

2 talents for it

[exotic forge]

This vid just reminded me how ETERNAL Astral Shift cooldown feels

[urban skiff]

anyone EU wanna play after I get back from the shop?

[urban skiff]

yuuuup, but also how ridiculously strong it is when paired with elemental

[exotic forge]

60% is BIG

[dusky parrot]

I found it neat because it was like how DW was something you had to talent into in vanilla, but the dmg is so piss poor rn its underwhelming

like I remember skullsplitter making your bleeds actually worth something

[green anchor]

yes keep it a talent

DW itself

[urban skiff]

stack it with ghostwolf if you have nothing better to do, +20% more

[green anchor]

but just make any melee attack apply it

also give us back blood craze

[exotic forge]

Because back then it was based on weapon damage, not attack power. And it'd apply on EVERY MELEE CRIT

That's why white swings felt chunky

[lavish quest]

Why it make you mad?

Chonky sheet

[digital badge]

no that looks insane

[dusky parrot]

and god its so cool

[exotic forge]

My goats

[dusky parrot]

because WARRIORS are meant to be highest caliber of melee

[elfin surge]

i love warrior mains

[dusky parrot]

never see a ret player do this btw

or a dh player

[elfin surge]

@last spindle wanna link up for a blizzcon gym vid this year?

[exotic forge]

Crazy to me that Baj single handedly started the whole "Warriors are gigachad gym legends" movement

[dusky parrot]

LITERALLY

Got (several) rank 1's, got married, has a kid, plays wow while ON A TREADMILL

[elfin surge]

baj my goat

[urban skiff]

They should just decide that bleeds' specific mechanic across all classes and specs is snapshotting (like feral) and just lean into that

[urban skiff]

I think swifty was the gymbro warrior before Baj?

[exotic forge]

Swifty started it but Baj popularized it and became the icon for it

[green anchor]

Swifty was really just working out to stay fit and in shape

Baj went full bodybuilder mode

[urban skiff]

when is he going to bulk though?

which do I use for bgs? +30% damage for 12 seconds from saltwater or +600 mainstat for 30 seconds from regular pot?

Scooberz is really starting to dislike whenever I talk, is funky. Even Kennie has sort of accepted me

[green anchor]

we do a lil zerching

[urban skiff]

I've begun drowning in Zercher Squats videos on instagram all of a sudden

it's like the world finally realized how good it is

But like, some of the guides stress that you have to "carry it in your elbow, not your hands" like wtf

Do they not realize it's a video medium

pvp elite boss super easy when I spellreflect worth 10% of his hp

every 20ish seconds

[urban skiff]

this is a KING

[ebon steeple]

Sometimes i feel like i'm the only warr here who isn't a gym bro

[wheat jay]

you are

BUT

its okay

[balmy solar]

You're not alone. For every body builder warrior there like 10 lurkers here munching on McDonald's

[urban skiff]

You can be a gym bro without going to the gym

[warped warren]

dw youre not alone

[wheat jay]

and you can munch on mcdonalds as gymbro too

THO

id recommend kfc

its much better at least in poland

[green anchor]

and you run into MUD

can laugh at him face to face

[urban skiff]

horde not fighting each other over the crate challenge: Impossible

[sand sundial]

the zone is fun asf

gonna spend a lot of time here

[urban skiff]

Yea

and super good honor gains too

we finally got it because I blinded and stunned and smokebombed all the braindead casters

[sand sundial]

just go in and thunderclap

[urban skiff]

I'm rogue

that zone is ten times more fun as sub rogue

people trying to gank me and just wipe the floor with them

[ornate isle]

rogue...

eziest class in the game

1,2,3 im so good

[sand sundial]

i can imagine

[urban skiff]

if rogue is so easy, why did it take me 400+ rounds to hit 1800 in tww

check and maid, m8

[ornate isle]

beats me

this is a warrior channel

https://giphy.com/gifs/mr-rogers-x0npYExCGOZeo

[dusky parrot]

Slayers rise is honestly really cool and the activities are fun

But I’m afraid once the season goes on, it’ll be more and more dead

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm send help

the UHDK rerollers are back

[ornate isle]

righttttt

[pure hornet]

Is patch notes out?

For 17 march

[urban skiff]

yes

[sand sundial]

ehh i mean if it does it does, u could get on big sparks fights even towards the end of the season

[pure hornet]

Where can i find?

[sand sundial]

ill prob heal more this time around

[urban skiff]

mmo-champion has a link

I'm sure r/worldofpvp also has about 10 posts by now

[pure hornet]

Thanks
Ill check now

[dusky parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-spongebob-dontlettheflamedieout-flame-gif-19163324

[sand sundial]

theres tons of quests you can do solo as well and youll eventually get the rewards

chilling

[pure hornet]

I only see piercing howl and some dmg buff

To
Fury

Thats it?

[urban skiff]

That's big

warr is going to be fine

they nerfed the tanks that were doing more dps than warriors so now warrior are no longer behind the tanks

[sand sundial]

Yes.

fury will be really decent in pve i guess

arms thoooo...

heh

[pure hornet]

Pvp

Is where ill be

[sand sundial]

not enough obv

[urban skiff]

Gonna be fine

warrior now has a raid buff/utility in group sprint

[spice hornet]

@copper fox is this possible at 19 and natty?

[novel crater]

LMAO

“Natural”

[worldly oriole]

that guy is a beast

[spice hornet]

I give him 2-3 years

[wheat jay]

100% natty

He's just built different

Isnt that like 145kg?

[urban skiff]

there's a video of a 12 year old girl doing 130kg zerchers right now

there's something in the food that's messing kids up

How am I supposed to win a 3s match when the evoker on my team is running over the enemy team with a short stun like he's paid to ruin my DRs?

[violet fossil]

No

Dude looks 30 already

[robust hearth]

so close 🙁

[urban skiff]

i cannot forgive you for that font

[robust hearth]

what font?

[urban skiff]

chat font

[robust hearth]

well gfys

[robust hearth]

every1 is spamming the brawl

to farm honor rn

[urban skiff]

really?

I've gotten over 4k just fucking around slayer's rise

and that's without doing the quests, I already did those

I gues that averages 250 player kills, so maybe something awarded some extra honor that I didn't notice

do we know what this rep gives?

[junior peak]

Damn, only just started PvP, and now I’m finding PVE super boring and dull.. oh noooo!

[urban skiff]

oh yeah, it's crates

[green anchor]

check at the quartermaster

[urban skiff]

ain't got gear up yet I think?

I assume it's locked out because of season

yep, still empty

[green anchor]

no it's that domanaar npc

I think idk

[dusky parrot]

that is not a 19 year old

[urban skiff]

man it's some pitiful rewards

[urban skiff]

it's like when your favorite adult star has been "just turned 18" for the last 11 years

[dusky parrot]

WHAT? NO I DONT RELATE TO THAT

[urban skiff]

don't stare too deep into the void or the void will turn out to be a 39 year old male

unless you're into that, then stare away

[dusky parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-this-fucking-sucks-agony-this-is-agony-this-fucking-peaks-gif-9865736497347596481

[green wharf]

this is an old dude

[covert root]

IS ARMS OR FURY BETTER FOR PVP??

[urban skiff]

they're the same, play what you enjoy more

Sign up for the newsletter to be the first to be notified if one spec turns out to be ahead once the season has begun

just @green wharf for the newsletter signup instructions

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

MAN THAT FELT GOOD

Bunch of horde fighting over war chest in slayer's rise and no alliances in sight. I say "if you're horde, don't attack me" and begin opening it. Horde ele shaman decides to just unwrap and load all the meatballs straight up my meatball exit. So I go and kill the guy and now the chest despawned before he made it back.

[lavish quest]

Fury

[green wharf]

nah man, that 15% gonna make arms top dps

[wheat jay]

man that took a lot of time

[green wharf]

its all that we needed

[green anchor]

I despise Harandar

uninspired boring zone

everything is a plant

even bonfires

somehow

🤢

Voidstorm is cool af

[urban skiff]

I practically live in voidstorm, even have my HS set there

[green anchor]

my guildmates don't like it lol

they say it's on par with The Maw

like ?????????

there's that one super sad quest in voidstorm

with the belf woman and human paladins

was nice

[green wharf]

almost all quests are sad ones

[wheat jay]

voidstorm quests were cool af

few gave me suramar vibes

[robust hearth]

@green wharf

[green wharf]

[idle falcon]

once u go brown

xd

[wheat jay]

that normal?

[green wharf]

no

are you cheating

[urban skiff]

what the fuck is going on on reddit

[wheat jay]

we all had like 550k hp

everyone

like, did we somehow get conq gear scaling?

[green wharf]

where is that

[wheat jay]

skirmish lol

[green wharf]

i did skirmish and didnt got that high

[wheat jay]

first time it happened to me too lol

trying one more to see XD

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

you had a guardian druid and a priest with you

[green wharf]

i cna barely play after finding a killer manhua

[wheat jay]

normal scaling lmao

[wheat jay]

no

[green wharf]

updog rawdoging you

[warped warren]

whats updog

[idle falcon]

@urban skiff wanna run some bgs together

or skirmish

[urban skiff]

is bedtime, m8

[wheat jay]

now it was 259???

i dunno man

its fucked up wtf

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/very-sad-cat-sad-cat-cat-crying-cat-sad-gif-2568607483345212775

[wheat jay]

he rawdogged that enh

colors kinda fucked

enh was with me xD

[idle falcon]

i got a song for that

vocaloid song

xD

want me to send it to u

👀

i literally have a song for everything

xd

gn btw @urban skiff <3

[green wharf]

didnt destro got nerfed

i was busy seeing warrior didnt saw warlock and hunter

imma check then out now

[wheat jay]

next reset lol

[green wharf]

wtf demo got nuked

the cool hero spec

why

did anyone completed this quest

[wheat jay]

Just use crests

[green wharf]

but i did

its right there

(complete)

[wheat jay]

Oh

I dunno then, i finished it

[lavish quest]

Acquire an item lmao

[green wharf]

BUT I DID

how can i upgrade it

if i dont have it

think leland

[jovial torrent]

this new bg is somthing else, we were losing the whole game then we suddenly won

[lavish quest]

Someone gave you one. Now you need to acquire one for yourself

[urban skiff]

Thinking hurts my head brain

[scarlet trout]

You have to kill the enemy commander

For an insta win

Its like an epic bg in a normal bg

thats what i heard

Havent played it yet

[violet fossil]

so like ashran

[wheat jay]

Its terrible

Its like a regarded inbred cousin of av and ashran

[copper fox]

He’s not natty lol

[robust hearth]

i seriosuly dont udnerstand how ppl dont udnerstand how to play the new bg

i like the new epic bg @wheat jay way better than TRashran

[green wharf]

i just see an aliance player and kill them

[ebon steeple]

I see a orc

I kill him

[robust hearth]

y r ppl so redacted

[green wharf]

🫵🏾

why noy playing war though

[robust hearth]

cuz war sucks

[idle falcon]

i had to get 6 veteran items for it to actually work finally

xD

[robust hearth]

ready for the season

[solemn elm]

W

[elfin herald]

this week its gonna be tough my team got destroyed by our rival, and the season will start with my dogwater spec

its time to fury arc

[copper fox]

Thane ssn lads

[torn sigil]

when did they remove the cap?

[copper fox]

Caps always been 15k

[torn sigil]

ahh that was early access mb

[copper fox]

Yea it was 4k for like 45 minutes

[torn sigil]

xd

[robust hearth]

Reroll, I refuse to ever play thane

[green wharf]

loove doing dungeons

[solemn elm]

no more slayer

[torn sigil]

i see stat prio will be pretty much the same for arms and fury

so vers/mas missives?

[granite epoch]

What addon are people using now that has the "Healer in CC" on the screen? I used to use a weakaura but i've seen streamers with it

[dusky parrot]

Deserved for ret gaming

[exotic forge]

Let him enjoy it before it gets nuked

[dusky parrot]

Hope it gets nuked

And rots in a ditch

[urban skiff]

Watch Snupy's youtube vid on UI for answer to that as well as many other addon options

[fierce elm]

Mini CC

right?

[green wharf]

REt getting nuked? in what universe?

[fierce elm]

Ya that wont happen until way later and never if you are a SS enjoyer

[granite epoch]

Instead of just telling me the answer of the video you watched you're just promoting a random youtube video? lol tf

it's Mini CC tho, the other guy was right, ty @fierce elm

[fierce elm]

Giving you a source to your question because maybe he isnt certain which addon uses it but it is in Snupys video

It is a very fucky addon though

[granite epoch]

He legit says watch Snupy's video for the answer lol

[fierce elm]

Yeah because Snupy has the addon in his video

Its also a pretty decent video overall for the new addon changes

to replicate/replace what was lost in general

[proven basin]

Zercher Afro

[urban skiff]

You're right, I should do better. Normally I would have checked the video first, then provided the timestamped video + a direct link to the addon but my kid is up and wanting stuff

[fierce elm]

Sometimes ya get the source, sometimes ya get the direct answer

[proven basin]

Help

#general

[urban skiff]

I'll get it right next time

[fierce elm]

lmao leveling grind

Ya just quest pal

[torn sigil]

it would appear you have been gnomed

[proven basin]

Its making me schizophrenic i cant do it anymore i need meds or admission into a ward

[urban skiff]

I can't tell which message this is for

[proven basin]

Im having a mental breakdown

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[proven basin]

If i do another quest i dont think 400mg of seroquel can help me

[urban skiff]

just play kthuman or zandatroll

[proven basin]

Im lvl 80

[urban skiff]

Do you want an easy path to level 90? Only works if you have a level 90 already

[proven basin]

Yk what im just gonna pay a booster

Im only in this for the pvp

😝

I dont have a 90 😭

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[proven basin]

Im going to commit

[fierce elm]

God this is fucking funny

[proven basin]

Is it

[urban skiff]

At least it was a fast answer

man the test gel is just burning my leg today

this is normal, right?

[proven basin]

I sent you a friend request

[fierce elm]

dont friend request me to ask about leveling lmfao

[proven basin]

No I want pvp advice

I’m trying to climb

I have a warrior lol

Please dont give me generic bs like

[torn sigil]

worry about hitting 90 first maybe

[proven basin]

Its all scripted

[proven basin]

I will do that by today

Hmmm

[random willow]

pally burst in pvp is questionable

[proven basin]

[idle falcon]

They getting huge buffs on 17th too btw

[random willow]

didn't even get a chance to blink

maybe i just suck at pvp

[idle falcon]

Mage player?

[proven basin]

[fierce elm]

HUGE BUFFS

[proven basin]

[random willow]

blink my eyes man

[idle falcon]

Oh

[fierce elm]

(its a net nerf)

[idle falcon]

Is it actually?

All i see is damage inc

[fierce elm]

Ya in PvP overall

[idle falcon]

How is it a nerf when all the changes were dps inc

[fierce elm]

all ability damage reduced by 15% in pvp combat

crazy how reading works

It is pretty neutral tbh, but the high burst is tied to how ret works

[idle falcon]

Oh i didn't see pvp combat

Mb

[fierce elm]

Ya I know

lmao

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/catspin-gif-10390165497725138728

[fierce elm]

The only one that matters is the FV buff

[urban skiff]

DO YOU WANT ME TO DO MATH

[fierce elm]

but FV is so fucking ass anyways

[urban skiff]

i noticed this time around all the people seem to miss the pvp changes

[fierce elm]

They always do

[urban skiff]

crazy

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/dagestan-send-him-2-3-years-gif-14326579384410409432

[fierce elm]

The fdk buffs might be a bit cracked

[idle falcon]

U look crackable

What

[fierce elm]

It is a simple life being a person who doesnt give a fuck bout all that and just plays w.e I first leveled

[idle falcon]

Who said that

[fierce elm]

Which just caught a 20% nerf lmfao

[idle falcon]

All i care tbh is gameplay

Like fury gameplay loop rn feels like

I have too much rage

And BT is stronger than rampage

So i overcap

Same thing with execute a bit

[torn sigil]

its either too much rage and feel like yu have to spam rampage or youre wasting globals

[idle falcon]

Basically

That's why i wanted them to revert what they did

[torn sigil]

or you have half a bar and nothint to press other than 2 RBs or something

[idle falcon]

Make reck increase rage gen by 100%

And don't make apex reduce rage cost

So that we have rampage after pressing a generator

Better rotation

[urban skiff]

man this world quest is taking forever when wearing zero gear

[urban skiff]

we both know you're going to have your ret backup

[fierce elm]

Ya ponderinf what to level

I got time Monday

and can honor gear it pre-launch

[idle falcon]

I have a ret

[fierce elm]

Probs gonna get my Ret up

[idle falcon]

I was going to play it with my friend when we pvp

[fierce elm]

but UHDK is gonna remain my main character

[idle falcon]

So i can unroot him

[urban skiff]

ok buddy

😄

[dim thunder]

I think basically everyone with a warrior has a ret or DK.

[idle falcon]

He ok buddied u @fierce elm

Gunna let him do that?

[fierce elm]

Naaa I gotta collect the Legend infinity stones

[urban skiff]

if we're being funny for a moment, whare are the infinity stones specs

[fierce elm]

I just wanted to hit it on all melee classes lmfao

But starting with plate

So only uhdk left there

Then spin a wheel for next season

[urban skiff]

wow needs a drachtyr themed plate

[fierce elm]

I aint doing all 3 rogue specs

fuck that

[urban skiff]

lol, duh

[fierce elm]

Probably gonna hit it on Assa

[urban skiff]

we also know you'll forget enh is a melee spec

[fierce elm]

then got SV/Enhance/WW/DH

Feral

then all the stones are collected

[urban skiff]

feel like a cheater

[urban skiff]

tbh start with enh, before they catch on and realize how stronk we are

[fierce elm]

Im spinning a wheel

[urban skiff]

what

[fierce elm]

Yeah

I put all the specs in and spin a wheel

[urban skiff]

@copper fox the new gym meme that is everywhere on social media as the secret sauce is zercher squats

[urban skiff]

do it live or it won't count

stream it with us

[fierce elm]

That is how I landed on UHDK

Because it spun ret into arms

then I realized both are done so removed

spun UHDK

[urban skiff]

Wait you're not doing it in one season?

[fierce elm]

Hell naa brother

I dont want to fucking gear that many characters

[urban skiff]

blizz accidentally made ultra low rise pants in DF

[green anchor]

i spy zercher's buttcrack

[idle falcon]

I did that

5 times

It's so funny people just fighting

And they think u are too

So they ignore u

And target the person targeting them

I leaped into a fight 3 times and captures

Funniest shit

[urban skiff]

Be happy we're having guests over or you'd wish it was only the crack

[green anchor]

are you playing wow while you have guests

[urban skiff]

obviously

What's the point of having guests you can't play with

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-13031409

[serene hearth]

Hows fury atm? Worth leveling alt

[idle falcon]

Always worth leveling a warrior

[robust hearth]

Its getting buffed idk wat u talking about 😂

[robust hearth]

No

[fierce elm]

define worth

[serene hearth]

Is it competitive

Seen a few fury vids and pressure looks good

[green anchor]

yes Fury is alright

Arms is dog ass

[random osprey]

Hello, i am completly green to warrior pvp and was wondering if there is some plae i can do a comprehensive deepdive on how to play them? - also very confused as some say i need to play in def stance, some say only in berserk? - Any help is appreciated

[novel crater]

DStace everytime your healer is in CC, BStace when he isnt

For absolute absolute basic you can prob check last seasons guides etc

For everything else I would watch and follow all the top warriors who stream and go off what you see

[random osprey]

Okay @novel crater thanks. I will give it shot.

[fierce elm]

define competitive

but yes

[novel crater]

My macros and this seasons build should be in the pins too

[random osprey]

Oh! thanks

[novel crater]

Outside of that just get used to the playstyle until the season starts and we get the guides out

No worries

People will start streaming again once the ssn starts too

[random osprey]

Thanks a bunch, and for your macro's. Was wondering about where to put in hamstring for example.

[novel crater]

Macro it to charge

[fierce elm]

MUD has already begun

[novel crater]

Leave the old man alone

Nah but fr

[random osprey]

while I have you, another quick question before i dive to guides. What is the prio when not in recklessness. is it still bloodthirst > raging blow, or the other way around?

[novel crater]

Go to Mud, Yerm, Laros, Mag, Ren, Rend, Flep, Yerm, Zankie, my own stream etc they should all start again next week

[novel crater]

Ehh depends if y have mods for it but

Dont worry too much about that rn

[random osprey]

okay

[novel crater]

Use BT on procs and on your wall

RB usually ends up winning 99% of the season but we still need to get the zoomers to run the exact numbers after the ssn starts again

[fierce elm]

The zoomers ran pre-season numbers and all decided hitting RB ever is bad lmao

[novel crater]

Nah that was early beta

[fierce elm]

At least when running the standard builds because Rampage is so cheap and BT chunks

It still is here

Flep updated

Mud does the same thing iirc

[novel crater]

We dont know atm outside of reck and proc

[fierce elm]

Flep comes in here daily and is RB hateposting lmao

[novel crater]

I’ll handle him

Dont worry about it

[fierce elm]

lmfao dont kill the guy damn

[novel crater]

Just wait for ssn

To start

[novel crater]

Lmao Flep is my boy relax

I just need the zoomers (warried or ren) to run numbers cuz I sure as SHIT aint doing all that work when I can pass it off to the zoomers

[fierce elm]

Gonna fucking murder da dude

[fierce elm]

ya that is fair

Fury seems in a weird spot due to rampage changes

rotation-wise

[novel crater]

Same thing

Just dont press TClap unless all 3 idiots are stacked

Fury is still on top after tuesday and arms is okayish but maybe with a bit of copium we’ll see

[fierce elm]

Ya I got fury being better still

Have some copium for arms because Kargish can play one spec

[dark bolt]

We doing thane or slayer for PvP as fury?

[lavish quest]

Thane

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/thunder-elmo-elmo-meme-thunderstorm-rain-gif-4098722568709273763

https://tenor.com/view/thor-gif-21643627

[green anchor]

get shattered

[wheat jay]

he shattered your balls man

rip

[random willow]

he iced ur balls

[wheat jay]

thats frostbite man

[random willow]

iced, frosted, shattered, flurried or whatever ur balls

there's nothing u can do

[wheat jay]

no more thicc latinas for you bro

[worn sandal]

Is there a guide for the first season and which gear should be bought first, and what pieces will make up the warrior’s set?

[green wharf]

100% of the time im pressing rallying cry

with the expectations it gonna free me from the slows and roots

[idle falcon]

@solemn elm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrDiXLcf79M

[green wharf]

just to be faced in the reality of dying in on rogue stun

[random willow]

close ur eyes and fill urself with imagination

[fierce elm]

any piece that has haste/vers/mastery and no crit generally

Gearing guide for day one tends to be 2 big pieces craft neck+rings

[digital badge]

thane

boys, after allot of copium, i will do iot

im gonna get glad as fury warr in 2v2

people told me "you cant" or "its too hard"

but imma prove them wrong

[green anchor]

Glad is 3v3 only

[digital badge]

when season launches just keep refreshing my armory and one day your gonna see the glad title

oh rip

ok i wanted to make a joke now and link bajheeras armory

i guess not

[copper fox]

LMAO

man

What a speech 2 seconds before the smack down

[wheat jay]

XD

[dusky parrot]

I like how they removed the festering wounds mechanic for unholy then slapped that shit onto frost with a different name lmao

[lavish quest]

I'm right there with you bro, I'ma gonna get glad in solo shuffle

[digital badge]

amen

[lavish quest]

Also, according to discord, Vesa's been on WoW for 19 hours, and she's in "Home Interior."
Is there an authority I should call?

[fierce elm]

Perfecting her den

[wheat jay]

@bright kraken you okay?

[urban skiff]

Maybe she's farming time spent in decoration mode endevours?

[urban skiff]

They want all of DK to use combo points

[lavish quest]

[green anchor]

2025????

[lavish quest]

Yup

[green wharf]

washed up

[green anchor]

did you get it a week before season end

[green wharf]

its 2026 boomer

[lavish quest]

Probably

I don't remember

[green anchor]

MMR inflation abuser

[lavish quest]

Game smarter not harder

[bright kraken]

why

[bright kraken]

OH i fell asleep with my pc on

ive only been on for like 5 hours? and only just got into my house like 10 min ago lmao

[wheat jay]

Just asking

[lavish quest]

[worldly oriole]

Its Time To Push Gladi

[green anchor]

2 more days Tony keep calm

[spice hornet]

Jumpscare

[scarlet trout]

Leland

Idk how to tell u this

But thats 2025

Its 2026 now

[wheat jay]

hmmm

id argue xp from bfa forward is still SOMEWHAT relevant

since from bfa pvp formula is very similar

unless its shuffle, then its like sending 99 logs from normal raid to apply to mythic raid guilds lmao

[fierce elm]

lmfao

hell no

If your xp isnt last expansion or you got 40 r1s then it aint SHIT

[wheat jay]

if you got no xp from recent expansions, and someone sends you something

id most definitely consider someone with xp from lets say dragonflight, compared to someone with no xp at all

[fierce elm]

Hell no

We need to stop the XP shit

[wheat jay]

afro

youre saying that cuz you got none

calm down

[fierce elm]

”Well I got 2.8kxp” yeah what did ya play buddy

huh

did you play MM/UHDK huh

Did you play ret prenerf tww s3 huh

ya lil fucker

[wheat jay]

you played ret in every retpocalypse

so shush

[fierce elm]

I PLAYED ONE SEASON

WHERE RET WAS REALLY GOOD

[rancid granite]

bring back reck bombs

[wheat jay]

not really good, singular best spec in the history of the game

[fierce elm]

Bring back ret : (

[fierce elm]

Thats still s1(?) df

where I again did not play lmfao

[wheat jay]

tww s3?

[fierce elm]

Retpocalypse was worse from what I have heard

[wheat jay]

litreally last season

was ww2

retpocalypse2*

[fierce elm]

I would just like to remind Artji that throughout tww we havent competed in the same bracket ever

Yet he rides SL experience like its a bangkok hoehouse

[wheat jay]

we have once in df

[fierce elm]

Anyways gotta get back to work

[wheat jay]

i believe s3?

or was it s2?

[fierce elm]

In s3 when I came back lmfao

[wheat jay]

where you got shat on habibi

[wheat jay]

its sunday man

calm down

take a breath

relax

soak some sun

[copper fox]

Afro literally rolled ret for the first time in its second best season

Now he’s going dk while it’s good

Insane

This guy

Unbelievable

[wheat jay]

imagine he once mained warr man

crazy

[fierce elm]

WHAT IS THIS LIE LMAO

[fierce elm]

TWW S2

STOP REWRITING HISTORY LMAO

[copper fox]

He just gives up so easily

I remember when he made his ret for the first time in tww

When they were good

And he was like

Yo I’m going to main ret now

[wheat jay]

shameless behaviour right?

at least i make my chars before theyre s tier

not when theyre s tier smh

[fierce elm]

the wheel has chosen me

as the chosen one

[green wharf]

the wheel options were coincidentally the OP s++ specs

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout-new-vegas-intro-video-game-speech-gif-8179674230722638513

[fierce elm]

all melee specs

[lavish quest]

Idk how to tell you this

But the season hasn't started yet

[scarlet trout]

Doesnt matter

Smh