if war is not buffed today
#pvp
fierce elm
I support that decision
frank knoll
Lock is the only thing warriors can probably beat 1v1
sharp meteor
tbc glad owns
what do you mean some people got a dragon for being 1600 on an rp battlegroup from doin a few chill cap games
and couldnt even learn it
sharp meteor
cos im the only warrior pvper left
fierce elm
lowtier bait smh
sharp meteor
nah if you get the date right even previous year it goes crazy
sharp meteor
Kennie how much gold do you have
I need to stop being lazy and do more carries.
Can probably do blitz boost for one of the bad healer specs.
worldly oriole
kennie has generational wealth
he can start his own electronic coin with this wow gold
spice hornet
WTF
sharp meteor
i could say something funny but i would get banned
idle falcon
<:blobcateyes:1038712159951142942>
im pretty sure you know what im going to say though
XD
sharp meteor
Yuh.
idle falcon
XD
idle falcon
can i have one as a present
sharp meteor
They all gone now 
sharp meteor
Trading post eventually, surely
idle falcon
rancid granite
u look like u start conversations with "u got any games on your phone?"
sharp meteor
I'm not that short. 
frank knoll
itrs over
scarlet trout
no blue notes on friday
lavish quest
Mud went from changing his pfp daily to changing his status daily
solemn elm
berserker rage
silver jacinth
where is the enlist npc ?
wheat jay
to swap faction in bgs?
i vaguely remember there was one in oribos next to pvp vendor xD
jovial torrent
1st week glad or bust 
, also im accepting all honor donations
lavish quest
1st week glad in before blizz soft locks season start mmr to 1800
blissful notch
anyone know how the pvp craft works in MIdnight ?
jovial torrent
is it? i saw omni in a vid say to use the shadowlands one, was a week old honor vid tho
robust hearth
gladi push on tues
Glad day 1
robust hearth
for merc mode?
Y still gotta go to dornogal for it, its not in silvermoon yet
@sharp meteor is gonna throw my blitz games
jovial torrent
what is the best method now anyway, ive been doing epic bg but somtimes u just get a brutally slow loss
rancid granite
even in those u get decent honor
jovial torrent
did a slow ass which felt like 20 min loss on isle of conquest and only got like 200 honor
scarlet trout
Never been on a team thats won azerite bg
Actual garbo bg because my teammates have monitor off syndrome
static knoll
Where buff
torn sigil
green wharf
Its a giga buff ahah
fear time reduced
unhinhed damage reduced
Piercing how CD increased(no one used)
And only the 15% aura buff
17 days for a 15% aura buff
lmao
balmy solar
Told you. Wet noodle to dry noodle in terms of effectiveness
spice hornet
Why are they nerfing piercing howl lol
Like who actually thought that needed to be addressed now?
green wharf
Why are they nerfing piercing howl lol
PVE
spice hornet
Ah
green wharf
are we back???
back to the dumpster
lavish quest
That piercing howl change is regarded
Tripling the CD cuz movement speed op in pve I guess
green wharf
this is ret btw
sand sundial
god exists
green wharf
god exists
and he hate us
lavish quest
We do like half the dam of everyone else
green wharf
15% of shit damage is shit damage
spice hornet
We do like half the dam of everyone else
Yep
spice hornet
I see no reason to play arena this week
Sub is getting all those PvE buffs impacting PvP?
sand sundial
and he hate us
👶
hasty aspen
I cannot BELIEVE they nerfed Piercing Howl and Resonant Voice to be completely dead talents
Piercing Howl was already dead when they stuck it behind Intimidating Shout, now we're just pissing on it's grave lmao
green wharf
thank that for the m+ people
they actually did not touch anything about our mobility and slow/root break
and only increase damage overall in 15% so you will do less slightly shit damage versus enemies you will not reach anyway
hasty aspen
I mean, I AM a M+ person too, even then taking 30% movespeed for 4 seconds within 24 yards over taking an uncapped AoE stop was goofy
exotic forge
Guys, do we count this Apex talent change as a nerf or a buff
exotic forge
Then I didn't get bingo
hasty aspen
Damn I would have had our resonant voice fear getting nerfed on there
exotic forge
I found it unlikely that they'd nerf Resonant or Piercing Howl
PIERCING HOWL
Of all things lmao
What is this logic??
What do you mean it's available too often??
hasty aspen
Piercing howl changes were like the singular good thing we got this expac, and we couldn't even use it outside a raid setting basically xD
jovial imp
They should remove arms from the game
green wharf
What is this logic??
good in pve
exotic forge
Like who is complaining about Piercing Howl???
green wharf
cause they put the increase movement
exotic forge
Who the fuck cares??
green wharf
Who the fuck cares??
the m+ do care and the game is made for them
hasty aspen
90 second CD to get 4 seconds of 30% run speed... on players within 6 yards lmfao.
jovial imp
A dev got piercing howl diffed one time
exotic forge
The change doesn't even bother me, it's just like... what the hell?
old crown
literally took piercing howl out back and shot it for no reason
shrewd elm
exotic forge
It's not like we're gonna be taking it in most scenarios when fear is right there
Fear getting nerfed is annoying though
It's not even working properly
hasty aspen
Nerfing long shout also just makes Resonant Voice a completely dead talent, since it won't change the duration of anything but Battle Shout now lmao
green wharf
spice hornet
god exists
Love they throw in the reap the storm nerf on that for fury. Just lol.
sand sundial
Love they throw in the reap the storm nerf on that for fury. Just lol.
Yeah lol
green wharf
fury "bufs"
i didnt even saw lol
thats it for fury and unhinged nerfed, bladestorm unerfed
bro
deep stream
is arms playable in pvp?
green wharf
what are we doing
deep stream
or anywhere in this game
green wharf
10% buff and thats it
green wharf
or anywhere in this game
you will hold your ground in delves
spice hornet
is arms playable in pvp?
I don’t think it will be
That buff isn’t enough
It’s doing like tank damage
deep stream
pseudo herald
is it to late to cancel the wow sub?
pseudo herald
i can link war+sp , kek
deep stream
didnt sp get a buff?
pseudo herald
no pvp one- only phsycic link nerf
green wharf
shadow was already strong in pvp
frail lake
south hemlock
Pseudo buff but still haven't fixed spear
exotic forge
What's wrong with Spear
south sun
arms maybe viable now 
spark pilot
jovial imp
Is dark iron actually better than dwarf or is it just larping
solemn elm
dark iron is good can get rid of death mark
gnome is best but dwarf or dark iron either is good
dark iron gets a cool str buff
south hemlock
What's wrong with Spear
Shit disappears on use all the time and just does nothing
elfin herald
xD
lyric violet
we're so back
queen peak
Warrior must scale really fucking good with gear or something. Patch notes are a damn joke lol
green wharf
we cant even play the bingo thing
cause they didnt fucking do anything
its 2 lines for fury
exotic forge
I didn't even see the Unhinged nerf but as soon as I saw that Bladestorm "buff" I thought to myself "rip Unhinged"
green wharf
I didn't even see the Unhinged nerf but as soon as I saw that Bladestorm "buff" ...
i like that the bladestorm 'buff"
was just unerfing
ashen crypt
this is ret btw
yeah but also
green wharf
yeah but also
so they still god buffed overall
jovial imp
Warrior must scale really fucking good with gear or something. Patch notes are a...
I think it’s cause they’re already going to be a class used in the worlds first completion so I guess they don’t know how to buff it, idk
lavish quest
<@153230384497295361> is this allowed here?
Am I supposed to watch?
south hemlock
rancid granite
we're so back
rancid granite
the apex talent change was pretty neat though
exotic forge
The question is if it still reduces CS by 2 sec on top of that change
cuz you know Blizzard and their weird wording
wise cargo
The question is if it still reduces CS by 2 sec on top of that change
I think it solely buffs cs, no longer reduces cooldown but wouldn’t mind being wrong 🤷♂️
exotic forge
I reckon it's just the CS buff
wanton saffron
I'm a trippin or we needed at least 25% to be viable ?
green wharf
I'm a trippin or we needed at least 25% to be viable ?
30%
dim thunder
Howling nerf lmao
sharp meteor
figured piercing would get the torpedo when they added movement speed
dim thunder
Coulda just removed the speed increase.
sharp meteor
wish it was like the slayer proc and they just tripled the cd outside of pvp
oh well
dim thunder
Well, I'll just wait until later in the season. Go level other characters. Crate farm maybe.
bright kraken
Oh yeah they got their ST buffed too lmao
Oh wait a minute
I didn't see the PvP tuning
green wharf
Coulda just removed the speed increase.
doesnt rly matter cause
who would trade fear for it
dim thunder
This is so sad, can we kill mythic+ players?
urban skiff
Looks like sub just completely dodged nerfs
-10% aura with +15% shadowstrike and +8% eviscerate
Enhancement walking away with massive peestorm damage
and massive passive damage
green wharf
only war got the end of the stick
dim thunder
Colossus Arms forgotten 
urban skiff
what you mean a lot
The aura buff is big
dim thunder
Man, if those PTR nerfs stay, those are gonna hurt.
urban skiff
+15% arms and +10% fury
green wharf
+15% arms and +10% fury
yeah its shit
i mean, its not shit but its just not gonna make any difference
urban skiff
yeah its shit
It's first pass and fury was already more than ok
green wharf
It's first pass and fury was already more than ok
not rly
urban skiff
+10% on top of OK and then nerfs happening to the healers and tanks and frost mage, warrior's relative rank shot up a lot
dim thunder
All tank role specializations’ self-healing reduced by 25% in PvP combat. thank god
urban skiff
I'm not sure they broke guardian's damage
green wharf
+10% on top of OK and then nerfs happening to the healers and tanks and frost ma...
But we were literally the worst class in pvp, together with havoc, and everyone got buffed
urban skiff
I asked my brother who's an expert
green wharf
this buff gonna make no difference
urban skiff
But we were literally the worst class in pvp, together with havoc, and everyone ...
Literally not the worst
that's wild
urban skiff
Granted I only just got my warrior to 90, but I don't see how warrior is so much worse than enhancement
Not sure how people even quantify warrior as bad in the first place when we don't have leaderboards or anything
green wharf
Not sure how people even quantify warrior as bad in the first place when we don'...
- Negative damage
- No way to get out of roots
- Only one way to get out of slows every 1m
urban skiff
WW monk is completely untouched
green wharf
so on top of doing shit damage
urban skiff
- Negative damage
- No way to get out of roots
- Only one way to get out of slow...
that's literally all melee who aren't rogues
green wharf
that's literally all melee who aren't rogues
thats not it
every melee have a way to get out of slows/roots
and most melees are midrange nowadays
and have way more damage
🤷🏾♂️
urban skiff
enh has a 1 minute root break that costs a huge gap closer
urban skiff
We don't have leaderboards
thank you
exotic forge
We don't have anything to go off of
urban skiff
Warrior has 2 charges and a leap and a spearleap and they want to talk about sitting roots like other melee can in any way compete on gap closers
exotic forge
Avatar being changed to not remove roots after being added to AM makes a lot of sense
manic ledge
Warrior is only pure melee class, other melee class can do range damage?
You can have 100 charge but still sit in root and can’t move
green wharf
enh has a 1 minute root break that costs a huge gap closer
enh is midrange
urban skiff
no, every 2 minutes we get to get disarmed and then silenced because we're one of the only specs that gets shut down by either of those CCs
green wharf
bohoo
urban skiff
Warrior is only pure melee class, other melee class can do range damage?
You c...
so same as enh
green wharf
enh also have a much better slow
urban skiff
warriors getting to taste what it's like to be enhancement or sub rogue or ww or survival
urban skiff
enh also have a much better slow
@fierce elm
exotic forge
enh also have a much better slow
They really don't... no lol
exotic forge
@urban skiff correct me if I'm wrong but Frost Shock is just 6 seconds, no?
urban skiff
<@205395474784583681> correct me if I'm wrong but Frost Shock is just 6 seconds,...
nobody talents into frost shock at all now
urban skiff
they ahve two ways, with the ice shock and the crit that slow for 70%
we're giving up a spec talent for the slow
that's absolutely wild price
green wharf
Crits slow?
yeah and again, much better than warrior
exotic forge
Ahh, yeah, that one
urban skiff
voltaic blaze is nature damage so people somehow got it in their heads we have on demand slow now
it's a 5 second slow, so that's 4 seconds after the GCD is over where we might be doing something
and 60%, so slightly better than hamstring but not spammable, dispellable, and magic immuned
exotic forge
It's niche, from what I'm understanding
urban skiff
don't get me wrong, enh has it good despite its challenges
but to claim we have the better slow than warrior is bonkers
urban skiff
and again, we have ONE gap closer, feral lunge at 30 sec cd
if we want the root breaker that warriors are so jealous of, we have to give up our 20 second gust / short hop which, to me, makes enh unplayable without
Imagine if you could talent into a 1 min cd root breaker that didn't leave you immune, but it cost you charge
exotic forge
We have a 50% slow, lasts 8 to 10 sec, has a 0.25 second cooldown (almost off GCD), then there's an aoe slow for 70% (50%?) for 8 seconds in a 24yd radius (which is getting nerfed lol)
urban skiff
that's a lot of honor for randomly killing a devourer who attacked me while afk
exotic forge
What rank were they
urban skiff
world content
I'm just trying to take this last base and they keep defending it despite probably not needing it
kind of annoying
but I'm wearing last season's conq gear so understandable whY i can't 1v2 them, only 1v1
green wharf
and 60%, so slightly better than hamstring but not spammable, dispellable, and m...
nobody gonna dispel that lol
urban skiff
nobody gonna dispel that lol
they'll dispel flameshock and get that too
urban skiff
1 hour since i hit level 90, this includes flight times and wait times for pvp activities, and I'm on alliance side so no crates.
fierce elm
lmao thist channel makes me laugh
+15 wont do shit apparently
These are some good notes
urban skiff
first 2k honor, and 2 pieces of gear already
People who think pvp gearing takes too long have a skill issue
urban skiff
Yea i'm going to eat good first week
fierce elm
Ret is also eating extremely good
urban skiff
I'm def starting with sub and feral
fierce elm
No windwalker nerfs either
eh decent enough first patch
expecting one more in 1-2 weeks
urban skiff
I need to know how warrior is worse off in roots than other melee
urban skiff
Sub can't get out of roots either
fierce elm
rogue in general
urban skiff
nobody is going to cloak out of root
fierce elm
go main arms then
I mean it is my 2nd or 3rd character to level
We have been through this multiple times where I am landlocking myself by playing arms
due to Kargish playing warrior
urban skiff
but then ya got rogue mobility
26 sec cd 25 yard shadowstep
fierce elm
Crazy how you are playing s1 already
urban skiff
that's still worse than charge
fierce elm
26 sec cd 25 yard shadowstep
Dont they still have the 1 min speed thing idk
urban skiff
Dont they still have the 1 min speed thing idk
sure, but that's like worse than leap
green wharf
fierce elm
God you are a specimen lmfao
fierce elm
anyways time to drive to work
urban skiff
anyways time to drive to work
counting down the days until you join me in the ranks on unemployment
fierce elm
always being unhappy in general
urban skiff
always being unhappy in general
Joke's on them, I'm always happy and with 5 level 90s I think I'm more qualified to talk about how specs feel than a lot of people complaining
can't bring me down
urban skiff
then what the worst spec is
I don't believe in best or worst
I believe there are ecosystems where some things synergize and other things don't, and low intelligence people who cannot grasp systems focus on components and don't understand why some components look shinier than others
green wharf
What arms and fury shine than others then
let alone that this is a cope out to not answer the question
urban skiff
We have so many examples of some specs soaring to the top despite having received no changesm, because of changes made to other specs
green wharf
right, and mostly the specs got buffed and tweaked, no one got the nerfhammer harder
for arms/fury to rise
urban skiff
the fuck qualifies as a nerfhammer
green wharf
even unholy just got 20% nerf, when they were doing massive damage
urban skiff
20% is humongous
green wharf
mind you, there are nerfs in between war buffs
like unerfing bladestorm in pvp
but they cut 20% from unhinged
colossus didt got any changes
urban skiff
if you take two specs, nerf one by 20% and buff the other by 15%, you've created a massive gulf between them
green wharf
if you take two specs, nerf one by 20% and buff the other by 15%, you've created...
not when DK was miles above
sand sundial
some specs are just designed with always being on top in mind and some always on the lower end
sand sundial
unless they rework warrior its not really addressing the core issue, if say mortal strike did 8000000 dmg
ret and dk are just miles better in terms of design fantasy and kit
u still have to manually harmstring xdd
green wharf
is it 20% above?
prob 60% lmao
urban skiff
prob 60% lmao
how do you know?
sand sundial
he pulled it out of his ass thats how xd
urban skiff
he pulled it out of his ass thats how xd
even then
green wharf
how do you know?
cause i played both
urban skiff
if it's 60% above arms, the cap has gone from 60% to 128% v 115%, a 13% gap
urban skiff
cause i played both
You have no way to discern pad damage from significant damage, with the way damage meters are now
green wharf
urban skiff
so how exactly do you measure the difference?
green wharf
if i can kill the same class with both
urban skiff
You aren't fighting the same players
How do you know the one you fight on unholy isn't wearing 20% gear and are perpetual 1300 players?
urban skiff
That's a very dramatic strawman
green wharf
looking up for all the wars here in s1 demolishing the ladder
urban skiff
Having been on the receiving end of both warrior and unholy, I don't think the gap is that big.
even then, it only says something about how enh and sub and feral feels when fighting a good UHDK and a good warrior, not something about how they overall perform
lmao i forgot these
urban skiff
first 2k honor, and 2 pieces of gear already
boom
that's a third of the way to a full set for fury
zero effort
gloomy river
is this all we got?? arms aved? XD
fickle forge
Arms never needed saving 
green wharf
from top 5 to top 3
fierce elm
Arms never needed saving <:prayge:1351697921825046578>
Chad
urban skiff
Arms never needed saving <:prayge:1351697921825046578>
preach
I just spent like 5 minutes straight duking it out with a guardian druid
fierce elm
UHDK OVER 20% NERF SMH
urban skiff
and some other guys come swooping in and attack us, and we just turn around and demolish them all
fierce elm
(We totally deserved it)
urban skiff
The UHDKs that didn't expect this aren't DK mains
This is the same story every single expansion
green anchor
subtlety buffs
gg
howl is now dead
90 secs cd
arms apex buff is nice and 15% aura dmg buff is glorious
fierce elm
Ya I dont get the howl changes
urban skiff
subtlety buffs
not buffs
fierce elm
But apex buff +15% is plenty big pre-season
urban skiff
But apex buff +15% is plenty big pre-season
I need stats I can aim for that'll work for both arms and fury
fierce elm
A lot of haste
urban skiff
if only we knew a pvp warrior guide writer who could help
urban skiff
https://i.imgur.com/LjNTaHt.png
green wharf
arms apex buff is nice and 15% aura dmg buff is glorious
unhinged nerf too btw, slayer is totes dead on fury
urban skiff
NET NEUTRAL
green wharf
cause they nerfed reap proc
fierce elm
oh
green anchor
they should nerf the infinite combo points as trickster
fierce elm
I didnt spot this quickly skimming
Okay good patch notes
no complaint really except howl being weird
urban skiff
it'll shift damage a bit more into shadowstrike and away from eviscerate
fierce elm
WW/UHDK might be disgusting season launch
urban skiff
no complaint really except howl being weird
They turned howl into a raid buff
that's all
it's now an aoe sprint that happens to also slow enemies
urban skiff
looks like they straight up took a chainsaw to mw
urban skiff
jadefire stomp changes (to me) seems like it went from 100% to 20% and then also the damage was halved and then they also get 8% reduction to the healing
fierce elm
I dont think the rsham buff is impactful enough either
urban skiff
I think Rsham needs a rework and when they get that in .5 they're going to once again be the queens of pvp
getting pretty close now
fierce elm
I am missing belt/boots/legs I think
urban skiff
I should get started with the campaign too
So for arms x fury gearset I just buy full haste and mastery for the slots that don't have haste?
urban skiff
yea not as much for shaman
but i noticed some specs seem to be pretty starved for stats that isn't crit
fierce elm
Thank god I played Ret in PvE pre-buff last season so my frontal lobe is developed enough to know this wont impact me
fierce elm
lmfao
urban skiff
green anchor
no
digital badge
ok i saw the class tuning, whats viable fury or arms or rerolling xd (for 2s)
idle stump
Yo there. Is it a good idea to mix 263 war mode gear (to get the 4 set bonus) with 276 honor gear or rather go full honor gear. I didnt do the maths tbh so that might sound dumb question xD
digital badge
Yo there. Is it a good idea to mix 263 war mode gear (to get the 4 set bonus) wi...
nah for arena ur gonna want a full honor gear set
urban skiff
ok i saw the class tuning, whats viable fury or arms or rerolling xd (for 2s)
play both
They're the same class and use mostly the same gear
urban skiff
Yo there. Is it a good idea to mix 263 war mode gear (to get the 4 set bonus) wi...
the warmode gear only works in warmode, not any instanced content
idle stump
k sounds correct
urban skiff
but for warmode content, mix 4 piece pvp gear with 4 pieces of warmode and just go bananas
That's my plan for my rogue
Just be a complete menace
digital badge
thanks zercher
fierce elm
ok i saw the class tuning, whats viable fury or arms or rerolling xd (for 2s)
Who knows
Try out both
green wharf
Time to level a hunter
@urban skiff can you 'reset" a specialization? like, i put 10 points on craftsmithing by mistake, but i want to remove those to put in something else
urban skiff
<@205395474784583681> can you 'reset" a specialization? like, i put 10 points on...
I heard there's a respec but it's either a once ever per character or it's expensive
i haven't looked into it
green wharf
I heard there's a respec but it's either a once ever per character or it's expen...
once would be fine
i though i would get the recipe for something when i unlock it
but only after i put 10 points further
not worthy
urban skiff
This is with a aura nerf in pvp
It's going to be the same, but less burst on spenders.
idle falcon
hows sub vs outlaw
urban skiff
Around 3.5% buff to shadowstrike
-3% to eviscerate
-10% stech
Unless stech inherits damage boosts from shadowstrike buffs, then it's a buff to stech
idle falcon
hows sub vs outlaw
@urban skiff
urban skiff
<@205395474784583681>
I can't answer that. I only play sub. No frame of reference, i'm just going to say sub is worse so i can have the spec to myself
idle falcon
xd
idle falcon
I can't answer that. I only play sub. No frame of reference, i'm just going to s...
i heard sub is much harder, is that true?
or can i pick it up easily
as an alt
urban skiff
I dont know. Sub is harder don't play it. Let me have the coolest spec to myself
fierce elm
Outlaw hard as fuck
urban skiff
But seriously it's literally shadowstrike and eviscerate. The difficulty comes in when you engage in burst and when you dont, not the rotation
fierce elm
Sub has been dumbed down a ton
urban skiff
I think three rogue specs are the same in regards to the macro gameplay and differences in how to execute rotation is mudling that.
Making some specs feel harder than others
At the end of the day, you live and die on how well you can hit feint into burst, escape burst, or engage in your own burst as a way to shut down enemy burst.
Sub probably getting a nerf or two, because with full cooldowns i can take down lone healer in bgs and that probably is too much when they're isn't even any dampening
fickle forge
Aura nerf in PvP, calm down bozo
wheat jay
Aura nerf in PvP, calm down bozo
No
Full panic
Your intervenes better be spot on mofo
fickle forge
Afro got nuked
pseudo herald
I dont want to roll fury :( id rather not kill anything and be hardstuck as arms
urban skiff
Then play arms
pseudo herald
Will do and i will prouldy present my 100% loss at end of ssn. Cuz im stubborn
urban skiff
stats before equipping set bonus
stats after
put on 4 piece warmonger while out questing int he world
@warm fox what was the requirement to get the pve item from harandar rep?
lavish quest
Think its 8
urban skiff
and it's once per week because event isn't repeatable, right?
lavish quest
I believe so yes
pseudo herald
U can just talk to npc, select the same „story“ u did on main and then just complete quest - and get item
pseudo herald
Just loremaster the zone
urban skiff
I don't like that zone, i unfortunately I think the story there is the weakest 🙁
robust hearth
Nobody likes harandar
pseudo herald
Im a mindless robot, i just slay npc and klick glowing stuff. Couldnt tell u what the story of any zone is even if i wanted
robust hearth
BTW im maining my ret paladin for the pvp season
robust hearth
wheat jay
Voidstorm quests were super fun
pseudo herald
Look like avatar wood tribe
robust hearth
idk what this is in reference to?
wheat jay
Enemies treating us like exotic animals
wheat jay
idk what this is in reference to?
Quest with gazlowe and orweyna lmao
robust hearth
oh i literally skipped that entire patch all i did was pvp in TWW
urban skiff
BTW im maining my ret paladin for the pvp season
oh nooo, i'm so surpriiiiised
robust hearth
didnt bother with pve till like the last 2 weeks of season 3 just to get KSL
robust hearth
oh nooo, i'm so surpriiiiised
it was gonna be my evoker zercher but then the notes came in
green wharf
Voidstorm quests were super fun
I was doing the new questline and i got this dialogue
cringe modern dialogue in wow
she was all fangirl about alleria like a dumbass
minor storm
So for fury do we want to stack haste or mastery? Or little of both to a certain amount?
robust hearth
mastery
green wharf
people writing this story are just so bad
wheat jay
I was doing the new questline and i got this dialogue
I meaaaan
Is it modern cringe dialogue?
Or do you just perceive it that way?
Cuz I vividly remember amazing B E A utiful from jim carrey in what, 2006?
wheat jay
2003 actually
wheat jay
Ye
robust hearth
If sygefryed wrote the story he somehow would bring garrosh back
green wharf
"she was like "omg, alleria is so cool, she have like, a dark naru as a heart, oh my god"
wheat jay
Brother have you heard any comms of ppl in stressful situations, like f1 race, or some combat zones?
green wharf
Just kill me
green anchor
guy mogging the chainmail bikini that doesn't fit the rest for the sake of booba
wheat jay
If sygefryed wrote the story he somehow would bring garrosh back
He would make the edgiest pretend badass story ever xD
robust hearth
Do it yourself p&$$y
green wharf
If sygefryed wrote the story he somehow would bring garrosh back
i would fix this lore in a weekend
robust hearth
"Fix" is subjective
wheat jay
i would fix this lore in a weekend
Fixing or just making it for that 0.1% of idiots wanting garrosh, broxigar, and some other shit back?
green wharf
objectively fixed
green wharf
Fixing or just making it for that 0.1% of idiots wanting garrosh, broxigar, and ...
no
robust hearth
Syg would have big hairy sweaty muscular men just thrashing around everywhere
green wharf
Why would i bring dead people back
pseudo herald
This pvp channel is a feverdream
wheat jay
Syg would have big hairy sweaty muscular men just thrashing around everywhere
Maybe thats why the brazilian guy doesnt have his thicc latina yet
wheat jay
He wants latino men instead
pseudo herald
He wants latino men instead <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
With big booty?
green wharf
my first move was to kill Baine
robust hearth
Mans kinda giving off gay vibes
wheat jay
Why kill someone whos already gone from lore?
pseudo herald
Only real with a brazilian butt lift
wheat jay
What next, making rexxar relevant again?
robust hearth
@green wharf go play Warhammer bro 😂
wheat jay
Guy with a bear, boar, and bird relevant in world ending magic nukes expansion?
green wharf
and doesnt do anything good
robust hearth
What next, making rexxar relevant again?
They will 100% bring rexxar for the new zul aman zone or a harandar event
wheat jay
They will 100% bring rexxar for the new zul aman zone or a harandar event
Bro I hope not
green wharf
They will 100% bring rexxar for the new zul aman zone or a harandar event
they will not
green wharf
datamined show they will bring zappy boy
green wharf
cause this expansion had like
robust hearth
Research literally chilling in the arcantina
green wharf
4% horde
robust hearth
MISHKA IS SLEEPING NEAR THE FIREPIT
green wharf
if this expansion wasnt in silvermoon we wouldnt see any horde character
wheat jay
MISHKA IS SLEEPING NEAR THE FIREPIT
And he can stay there and never move
pseudo herald
I would like for saergeras to take his sword and make azeroth bleed out cuz everyone knows u dont pull out poky weapons
wheat jay
if this expansion wasnt in silvermoon we wouldnt see any horde character
????????????
Bruh
You're not gonna summon dumb orcs into voidstorm
You're not gonna get a tauren in the city to shit on the pavement
We have magicians, paladins, warlocks
robust hearth
I would like for saergeras to take his sword and make azeroth bleed out cuz ever...
Xal'atath is gonna devourer all of them, thrs y the next expansion is called The Last Titan
green wharf
?
the entire expansion is an alliance story, focusing on alliance characters, that happens to be in Silvermoon
Main story is Arator family drama versus the void. You get Lorthemar just being a guy who send you to the zone quests, Liadrin is a token npc in zulaman, Halduron is a token npc in harandar, both do nothing, Rommanth exist to show how umbric is right, and thats it
green wharf
You're not gonna get a tauren in the city to shit on the pavement
why not
The rest of the horde have plenty of magic users
The zandalari have an entire horde of paladins and priests
same for taurens with the sunwalkers, maghar/orc priests are a thing in DF now too
shadow hunters from trolls
robust hearth
Zandalari haven't been relevant since Daz'ar alor raid
wheat jay
Real lmao
robust hearth
They're just there
green wharf
they just pretended everything in the horde doesnt exist but blood elves
wheat jay
Focus is on elves, thats all
green wharf
and even the blood elves got the end of the stick
pseudo herald
We need orc warriors that willingly sac themselves at the front lines.
As we seen in marvel avengers - magic is not the holy grail. Blunt force is
wheat jay
Every expansion focuses on something else
You're not gonna get every race in the spotlight every expansion every patch
wheat jay
Main army being paladins?
green wharf
ever since shadowlands blizzard forgot the horde exist
wheat jay
ever since shadowlands blizzard forgot the horde exist <:keks:936231610850897992...
Both factions really
Nah wait we had goblin zone, and raid
green wharf
we just got undermine with goblins in tww, but even the bilgewater that was supposed to be a horde cartel, they said it was neutral and not horde
wheat jay
So you're just full of shit
green wharf
No
green wharf
Both factions really
DF was all about night elves, TWW was all about dwarves and humans
alliance characters are the protagonists
robust hearth
ever since shadowlands blizzard forgot the horde exist <:keks:936231610850897992...
We literally in a horde major city
green wharf
same for midnight
wheat jay
DF was all about night elves, TWW was all about dwarves and humans
You mean last patch?
Only
green wharf
We literally in a horde major city
yeah i know that, and thats what i said, even on a horde city, the story is carried by the alliance
robust hearth
So you're just full of shit
wheat jay
What would you want to hapen?????
robust hearth
yeah i know that, and thats what i said, even on a horde city, the story is carr...
Liadrin is horde though
green wharf
Why it have to be thrall though
robust hearth
yeah i know that, and thats what i said, even on a horde city, the story is carr...
The only alliance character is umbric and alleria
green wharf
let alone that Thrall should be important in DF
wheat jay
Turallyon too, for like 3 quests
green wharf
cause it was about the elementalists
green wharf
The only alliance character is umbric and alleria
Arator and turalyon, plus the army of the light and void elves
its very alliance centric
wheat jay
Arator and turalyon, plus the army of the light and void elves
Does it make sense for it to be the case?
robust hearth
Arator and turalyon, plus the army of the light and void elves
Arator is neutral
wheat jay
Army of the light is also mostly neutral
robust hearth
Arator is welcomed in both the horde and alliance since tbc
green wharf
Arator is neutral
Nope
robust hearth
Cuz he's half elf half human
green wharf
Does it make sense for it to be the case?
Obviouslly not
robust hearth
He was literally trained how to fight by lor'themar
green wharf
It assumes the horde doesnt exist and only the alliance was able to go to silvermoon and help
robust hearth
And trained how to use the light in stormwind
green wharf
which is bullshit
green wharf
He was literally trained how to fight by lor'themar
yeah this is retcon crap, he is alliance
even with that
robust hearth
Its not retconned
green wharf
dude joined the alliance order of paladins
robust hearth
It was literally in the midnight cintematics LMFAO
green wharf
and it was an alliane NPC from TBC to Legion
wheat jay
It assumes the horde doesnt exist and only the alliance was able to go to silver...
YOU HAVE LIGHT AND VOID
There is one specific race that's proficient in VOID
And its alliance race
green wharf
YOU HAVE LIGHT AND VOID
you fucker, the horde also have races profficient with light and void
wheat jay
You also have a faction that has DEEPER connection to light than fucking tauren
green wharf
i just told you there is an ENTIRE ORDER OF PALADINS from the zandalari and tauren
green wharf
It was literally in the midnight cintematics LMFAO
it was a retcon because Arator never did that, they just made that up for this expansion, he was 100% raised by his aunt
wheat jay
Ye im out of this convo before i start sending bannable messages to that idiot
green wharf
I just know more about the lore than you so yeah
robust hearth
He's 100% ragebaiting
wheat jay
I just know more about the lore than you so yeah
Stfu
wheat jay
He's 100% ragebaiting
He is
robust hearth
I just know more about the lore than you so yeah
You haven't even read bloodties
pseudo herald
Pls do not ragebait, i know nothing bout lore an just learned by reading
And i wanna learn more
robust hearth
green wharf
Horde have entire order of priests, paladins, void users, but they cant be in the expansion cause artji doesnt think its """DEEPER""" enough to be in the expansion
there is a "criteria" only he knows about it
wheat jay
Yes, criteria being whatever they fuck the write into the lore is there
robust hearth
Pls do not ragebait, i know nothing bout lore an just learned by reading
And i w...
I recommend the youtuber nobbell
wheat jay
pseudo herald
Is she the sister of ken golden? The auktionhouse guy?
wheat jay
Thats all there is to it
robust hearth
Is she the sister of ken golden? The auktionhouse guy?
green wharf
back in my days we used to get two different campains too, one for each side, that would lead to the main one
wheat jay
You're not gonna get nobel.prize winning writing in mmorpg thats 20yrs old
green wharf
not even that they bother to do anymore
robust hearth
Nobel is great person to learn wow lore
wheat jay
not even that they bother to do anymore
Back in bfa?
robust hearth
Is she the sister of ken golden? The auktionhouse guy?
No idea tbh
wheat jay
Isnt it like 8yrs back?
robust hearth
Or even platinum wow if u wanna learn wow lore with interesting video visuals
Sometimes makes the wow lore funny
green wharf
Back in bfa?
vanilla to BFa was like that yeah
robust hearth
green wharf
shit went to shit on shadowlands
Like even Legion we had different starts
before we went to the classhalls
that was neat
robust hearth
fierce elm
Cant balance fight so we got lore fights
pseudo herald
U guys recon if we close arms sektion blizz will budge like they did on ret,druid and holypal?
green wharf
U guys recon if we close arms sektion blizz will budge like they did on ret,drui...
no
bliz doesnt give a flying fuck about discords
or warriors for that matter
fierce elm
They do now
pseudo herald
or warriors for that matter
Just this
onyx marlin
U guys recon if we close arms sektion blizz will budge like they did on ret,drui...
we are warriors, we dont do such things
fierce elm
since they have ambassadors or w.e
green wharf
since they have ambassadors or w.e
yeah but like
if even Leland got that job
it doesnt mean much
pseudo herald
we are warriors, we dont do such things
As i mentioned , i will gladly post my 100% loose rate at end of ssn just to play arms .
But i believe in light at the end of the tunnel
lavish quest
@elfin surge I think my faith in the arms buffing was misplaced
green wharf
just get your armor as war and switch to a proper class
lavish quest
green wharf
pseudo herald
Im a bad player i reach 2.4 barely every ssn how shall i get 1.8 with arms then.
Its like winning fights as karpador
pseudo herald
End off ssn ppl are at 3k+ so i am 20%~ off ?
I myself would rate that as average at most
green wharf
Syeg just gets 1.8 each season
pseudo herald
Syeg just gets 1.8 each season
Dont front him, he needs to have that lore space in his head. Cant be bothered to know drs
lavish quest
End off ssn ppl are at 3k+ so i am 20%~ off ?
I mean you're talking top 1% stuff there. Most people barely get 1.8
lavish quest
<:xeos:945501697847992341>
You'll always be a multi rival in my heart boo ❤️
green wharf
sterile moth
Ret was kinda…buffed? Even with the 15% pvp reduction
pseudo herald
Im no ret, cant tell
sterile moth
Mm untouched
fierce elm
if even Leland got that job
LMFAO TRUE
fierce elm
Ret was kinda…buffed? Even with the 15% pvp reduction
It is sort of half and half
It is a nerf in overall in PvP
but a huge buff single target in PvE
lavish quest
Mud still likes my pp
@elfin surge
pseudo herald
Let the man sleep
green wharf
They rejected MUD okay, it's a high bar
yeah cause he doesnt play wow
wouldnt even make sense
lavish quest
Morning surprises
pseudo herald
😮💨 those are the best
plucky cave
after the buffs, is fury still better you think?
lavish quest
Most likely yes
worldly oriole
class changes got announced?
digital badge
is this gonna be the arms talent tree?
if i wanted to take shattering throw what would i take off?
plucky cave
why do u take increased throw/spear dmg if u dont play with any of the throw/spear talents?
digital badge
u wantan honest answer? wowhead
ok after checking, apparently i need to pick it anyways for angermanagement
digital badge
thanks pal\
green wharf
is this gonna be the arms talent tree?
You usually ont get rumbling earth and you do get second wind
digital badge
wait as arms do we fucking stack mastery
i thought we stack haste as arms and mastery as fury
plucky cave
haste to 18-20%
exotic forge
Then leave the rest to mastery
copper fox
Looking like a thane season fellas
exotic forge
Dad, I don't wanna play Fury again
fallen talon
Is it a arms or fury angle for pvp atm?
plucky cave
looks like fury
lavish quest
Fury for PVP
Arms for delves
I wouldn't even arms in delves lmao
rancid granite
remember when they put piercing howl and int shout on the same node then made piercing howl 90 sec
lavish quest
If its gonna be a 90s cd can it at least give like freedom and 50% dam buff or somethin?
green wharf
I wouldn't even arms in delves lmao
its solid from 1 to 6
rancid granite
arms cleave is odd thane just blasts everything
digital badge
Maybe im mistaken but im hopeful that after the buffs and changes and getting the tier set that arms will be viable/strong in 2s
fury is fun too but idk why i started liking arms more
sharp meteor
Maybe im mistaken but im hopeful that after the buffs and changes and getting th...
If you playing Warrior for 2s you're destined to have a bad time.
Because even when it's "good" it's not really good.
digital badge
If you playing Warrior for 2s you're destined to have a bad time.
dont say that
i lowk invested too much time and love into warrior xd
sharp meteor
Damage just too easily played around by rogue, mage, lock, hunter.
fierce elm
Yeah that bracket has a few dominators
the best healer + rogue/hunter
or rogue/mage
digital badge
ok dumb question, but isnt warrior with a healer really hard to beat due to mortal strike and survivablity
fierce elm
You get shat on by comps that bring cc and kiting
digital badge
i only fear getting kited but i was hoping in arenas that ppl are limited to a small range room so they cant kite unendless
fierce elm
which is every meta comp
sharp meteor
Esp when eveyr spec has it
like nice you have healing reduction so does the ww you can't kill
and his rdruid you also can't kill
digital badge
xd
sharp meteor
but yeah idk might be an alright time
digital badge
ok is it reroll time xd
sharp meteor
can't be much worse than it already is
digital badge
i got a survival hunter as a backup
which im decent on
but i kinda had hopes warr will be meta
wheat jay
Also idk where the meme that ms is good comes from.
They should remove ms and rebalance the game
One tuning knob less
sharp meteor
has only had 3 for a while
wheat jay
Most specs do now
sharp meteor
u got cheap u got ambush u got evisc
thats sub for the past
lemme see
like 5 years at least
idle falcon
damaging i mean
sharp meteor
but yeah ion said they want the classic audience
idle falcon
wheat jay
Not like they had to remove much
green wharf
(lobotomized every spec)
except arms
wheat jay
except arms
Arms was already on the easier side
If you want to do 99 logs you still need to watch for plenty of things to maximize
But 80+ is same difficulty as it was before
wheat jay
Aoe slow?
lavish quest
Aoe slow?
They tripled the cd cuz they added a weak move speed to it. And now it's "op" in pve
wheat jay
Someone hasn't seen the spreadsheet
And that doesnt matter
lavish quest
And that doesnt matter
But mah spreadsheet
digital badge
ok, an idea that might cook
arms warrior with spear but then idk what to remove to take spear
wheat jay
But mah spreadsheet
Imma spread you on sheets if you mention the regard spreadshit again
lavish quest
Imma spread you on sheets if you mention the regard spreadshit again <:yep:70342...
I didn't know you wanted hear about spreadsheets so badly
wheat jay
copper fox
Warrior in 2s only worked with a hpal or dragon last xpac
Because you’re immobile as shit
And they enabled mobility
Prot is the only valid spec rn
Arms + 15% doesn’t even move it passed C tier for all you tier understanders/enjoyers
copper fox
ok, an idea that might cook
arms warrior with spear but then idk what to remov...
Show me your spec
digital badge
lavish quest
Warrior's doing pretty well since they changed the spec name to windwalker
fierce elm
Arms + 15% doesn’t even move it passed C tier for all you tier understanders/enj...
: )
”Tier understanders” is CRAZY
I dont think the UHDK nerf is gonna move it beneath S-tier
Shit was so absurdly above
fierce elm
angry screaming icon = good
exotic forge
Might be mandatory now with that fear nerf
copper fox
u mean resonent voice?
Yes
copper fox
Might be mandatory now with that fear nerf
Nope
copper fox
digital badge
man im confused if i even wanna pick up shattering throw what would i substitute
this game ughh
is it somehow possible even
exotic forge
You get rid of speed if you wanna take Wreck/Shatter
digital badge
Ok cool
exotic forge
That or you don't take it at all
digital badge
thanks brother ❤️
green wharf
you take only against warlocks, since you can break their shield with demolition
otherwise is useless
digital badge
wait shattering throw, wrecking throw i take only versus locks??
digital badge
and mages i guess
digital badge
ye i take this versus priests, mw monks and the other i take vs paladins and mages
i dont play 3s i sadly only play 2s
green wharf
No you take against monks and pally as well
does it do anything?
the damage is so low it doesnt break them
lavish quest
Will do the same damage to them as to the warlock shield tho
I feel like wrecking throw dmg against shield is laughably low tho
copper fox
I need to test it week 1 and I will give better feedback tbh
green wharf
Will do the same damage to them as to the warlock shield tho
yeah but usually warlock shield is weaker
exotic forge
does it do anything?
With Demolition talent and Javelineer it guarantees to break Ret shield
green wharf
like the amount it absorbs
exotic forge
Same with warlocks
lavish quest
yeah but usually warlock shield is weaker
Yeah, but if you intend on breaking throw all 3 shields, you might as well hold the consistent position
exotic forge
I'm surprised anyone takes Shatter at all lol
sharp meteor
honestly not the worst if its like
i have minor aversion cos used to just always get stopped on it in 3s
which doesnt happen muchin shuff
sharp meteor
mages dont have a rogue who'll always stop it
copper fox
I’ve precasted too a few times on rets and their bubble was gone the second they pressed
They don’t even stop it themselves
sharp meteor
rets either stomp or horse and line or their warr 1 sec shockwaves it, or their hunter knocks it or scatters etc