pvp

[lavish quest]

Warrior is the highest skill cap class
But also warrior is the worst class

[fierce elm]

Making it refresh it is weird

Because no other melee class has that

[rancid granite]

ROOTS

[lavish quest]

Disable refreshes doesn't it?

[fierce elm]

Yeah but he needs to press disable

[green wharf]

oh dang it

i need a lil goblin to proofcheck my thing

[fierce elm]

This means MS/Overpower would continue the duration of hamstring

The same way DK has to press chains

[lavish quest]

No like other buttons monks press refresh it

I think

[green wharf]

that is my idea yeah

[fierce elm]

Isn't monk tied to disable

I can be wrong there

[rancid granite]

A+ writeup syeg

[green wharf]

monk disable is refreshed by auto attacks

and abilities

[fierce elm]

aight fair

[lavish quest]

Wtf do you mean lmao

[fierce elm]

then monk works that way too

I WAS ASKING LELAND, A SIMPLE QUESTION OUT OF CURIOUSITY

IF THEY NEED TO PRESS DISABLE TO REFRESH IT

Like damn brother

Even Syeg understood it man

[lavish quest]

"Isn't monk tied to disable" DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

[fierce elm]

This meta is all about burst windows and how effectively you can use them, and most of time, comes from a right stun/disable. this doesn't mean muhc

[wheat jay]

whats the deal with monk?

[green wharf]

if monk press disable again it roots the target

[fierce elm]

oh its posted pre-launch

[wheat jay]

you use disable

[lavish quest]

I told you already their other things refreshed it

[fierce elm]

yeah

[wheat jay]

recast roots

[fierce elm]

I wanted confirmation bro relax

Syegfryed answered it lmao

DK does not work that way

Paladin has its shitty slow tied to BoJ

[lavish quest]

You trust SYEG over me?

[fierce elm]

but its also the worst slow

[lavish quest]

Afro is truly cooked

[fierce elm]

He is the person that I am engaging with rn lmao

[green wharf]

It works for frost

[wheat jay]

dh slow kinda meh too

[green wharf]

you can frost strike and refresh chains

[wheat jay]

9s cd

6s duration

[lavish quest]

And I am the one providing you info

[fierce elm]

UHDK does not work that way

so frost only

[green wharf]

yeah man cause unholy is basically ranged

[fierce elm]

Ret has a shitty slow

[green wharf]

they dont rly need it

[fierce elm]

but they also don't rely on it

[lavish quest]

FS_MonkaGun

[exotic forge]

UHDK don't need the slow

Damn

is there echo here?

[fierce elm]

I don't personally think Warrior has issue with Stormbolt/Shockwave

I think Shockwave could be a little bit longer, but duration wise and w.e its fine

[green wharf]

its basically an interrupt with how the diminish works for stuns

[fierce elm]

yeah

[green wharf]

i rather have longer stormbolt than two stuns

[fierce elm]

which is the direction blizzard wants to move lmao

[wheat jay]

put shockwave and sbolt on choice node

[fierce elm]

Avatar should have root removal

Rallying should have root removal

[lavish quest]

MWGA

[fierce elm]

The toughest class in the game is also one of the most brittle.

[wheat jay]

OR

[fierce elm]

this is sort of false

[wheat jay]

hear me out

[fierce elm]

Warrior struggles into mages

[green wharf]

https://imgur.com/7abjlGQ

[fierce elm]

Or spellcasters in general

[fickle forge]

There might be hope for us

[wheat jay]

remove some roots

[lavish quest]

Bstance should have freedom

[wheat jay]

werent most roots removed anyway?

[lavish quest]

[fierce elm]

Slow removal too

[green wharf]

you either take shockwave or a talent that increase stormbolt stun by 1

seems pretty fine for a choice

[wheat jay]

oh btw

you guys know how dh can backflip your cc?

[fierce elm]

Warrior defensives are not in generally weak just overall

[wheat jay]

devourer can do 9 backflips in a row

[fierce elm]

the Stance mastery thing along with second wind+field dressing are pretty strong

[lavish quest]

So that's getting removed

[fierce elm]

It does struggle into casters

[wheat jay]

yep

its bugged tho, should be 5

[fierce elm]

but just like UHDK struggles into physical damage, it just happens

[green wharf]

This is my idea too

[wheat jay]

funniest thing is if warriors were oneshotting people with single mortal strike we wouldn't be having this conversation

[fickle forge]

So just ret then

[fierce elm]

That would mean Avatar would have to get nerfed lmao

[green wharf]

You use Recklessness, colossus smash and shield wall and you get avatar for the duration

[wheat jay]

cuz everyone would just say "its as it hsould be"

[lavish quest]

Warrior struggles into phys too.
Thanks for the nerfed armor blizz

[fierce elm]

Rebound should be buffed into old Spell reflect, yeah sure

[green wharf]

shorter burst windows, more consistent damage, no cooldown desynch

[fickle forge]

But why

Avatar is just a damage amp

[green wharf]

[fickle forge]

Could literally rewrite it to "you deal 15% more damage during X cooldown"

[fierce elm]

But I still don't get how bloat means

You apply rend then forget about it

[green wharf]

its already nerfed, only 15% in pvp and it doesnt break roots anymore

[fierce elm]

The only thing you consciously think about is Hamstring

[wheat jay]

he just means amount of buttons you press

cuz somehow that is BLOAT

when in reality bloat is buttons that are obsolete or shouldnt even be in rotation, like monk had

or survival

[green wharf]

What if you could just MS and thats it

[wheat jay]

arms doesnt have the unhealthy bloat

[fierce elm]

I only glanced at the UHDK one which is correct

[fierce elm]

I mean you can make that argument for everyone

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

he didnt add molotov for survi

[fierce elm]

Because it has another layer of playing the spec

[green wharf]

Bloodleting let you do that at 35% and below

should be all the time

[fierce elm]

There comes a point where something being pruned isn't better for the general playerbase, button bloat is definitely one of those subjects

There has to be a difference between the 'bad' warriors and the 'good' warriors

[rancid granite]

sorry to interrupt the girl talk but 89-90 i should just do every delve t1 and turn in quests?

[wheat jay]

if you bake rend into ms, then its ms applying two different dots?

[wheat jay]

you can

[fierce elm]

And it just can't entirely boil down to 'mobility'

[wheat jay]

that, and first crafts

[green wharf]

i dont see how applying rend and forgetting about is the difference for it,

[fierce elm]

Because you can forget

[green wharf]

i think its a shit spell that doesnt feel good to press

[fierce elm]

Because you can miss that bit

Outbreak doesn't feel good to press

yet I need to

and I need to keep plagues up

[green wharf]

if it gives a lot of damage and ripped a new asholle into people

with its bleeding

sure, it makes sense that im pressing

[wheat jay]

youre not feral

[fierce elm]

Hitting Festering strike to get festering scythe doies not feel good, yet there is play there that elevates towards the betteer players

[green wharf]

exactly

[wheat jay]

bleeds are part of your dmg, not its entirety

[green wharf]

them i shouldnt be applying as its oen button

[wheat jay]

why not

[green wharf]

should be an afterthough after a big hit

like deep wounds was

[wheat jay]

???

okay, but its different bleed

two bleeds

[fierce elm]

A warrior should not aim to bleed, a warrior aim to kill or severe a limb or crush a bone This is just class fantasy, I get this point

[wheat jay]

technically every hit you do applies bleed

there are different kinds of bleeding wounds

[fierce elm]

yeah but I get that point

[wheat jay]

soooooo

ye

like, fantasy wise, and even reality wise, warrior just works

in terms of its kit

[fierce elm]

I agree with a lot of this

I do disagree with a lot of it

[green wharf]

I liked before that your MORTAL STRIKE, applied deep wounds
-> damage so big it leaves the person bleeding

Or when we had trauma, that slam and execute caused the guy to bleed and more damage from those skills made them bleed more and more

[wheat jay]

i also liked that

[green wharf]

which is kinda what we have with current deep wounds

[fierce elm]

I think you just have to keep in mind that Blizzard's fantasy is always going to be their own and never yours

Pruning a spec is not always good

[wheat jay]

but i can also see why rend is separate button

[fierce elm]

Ret being so low on abilities means that we have to pour any 'skill level' into how utility is used

which is what separates a low ret and a high ret

Its the spec I have the most experience in and it has been kneecapped

[lavish quest]

Why is blizzards fantasy warriors sucking? 😭

[wheat jay]

maybe its their way of telling you all that youre gay?

[fierce elm]

Just because you have a 'lot' of buttons doesn't mean the spec is struggling from button bloat, for example Rend

it is something to apply, something you need to think about in a sense

Your main damage rotation comes down to the same as everyone else, hit 3 buttons in some sort of rotation, keep some sort of dot/debuff up

[lavish quest]

They want to make us gnome mages I stg

[green wharf]

if im using a keybind for it, and its shit to press, is bloat to me

[fierce elm]

Warrior is also very hard to balance, that shit goes from bottom tier to the best of the best in a single buff

[fierce elm]

But that is just not a good argument towards class design

[lavish quest]

They got something against my masculinity

[green wharf]

and i dont even think war need two bleeds that do absolutely nothing else

[fierce elm]

You need to have some engagement in how the community plays a spec

[green wharf]

just bake them together or make an effect different from one of those

[wheat jay]

also, one thing about the ms applying rend below 35%

[green wharf]

make hamstring apply rend as well

[wheat jay]

thats where execute comes into play

as big part of rotation

rather than a proc

[fierce elm]

Like if y'all want to be honest about it, what separates a good warrior from a bad warrior

without being rage-baity about it

in all honesty

[wheat jay]

intervene

and hamstring uptime

[fierce elm]

Damage, Chasing, Intervene

[wheat jay]

if you mention anythign else youre cappin

[fierce elm]

and Dstance usage

[wheat jay]

CAP

its intervene and hamstring

thats 99% of skill ceiling for warriors

[fierce elm]

This gives some push towards people, because frankly, the base damage rotation is not that wild compared to many specs

[wheat jay]

id argue its on the easier side

one of, if not the most straightforward spec in the game

[green wharf]

its so straighfoward that its baffling how bliz gets wrong so much

it shouldnt be hard

[wheat jay]

what did blizz get wrong tho

[fierce elm]

If again, pulling this back to UHDK that I am playing right now: Keep up Plagues, Keep up Chains of Ice, Do NOT press Death coil/Necrotic coil unless above runepower or a proc or you have them stacked, keep festering scythe up, spend ghoul stacks and dont overcap, do NOT just spam scourge strike or you urn out of runes, keep track of Putrefy stacks, make sure to scourge strike enough to keep putrefy stacks up.

Now that is stuff to think about

[wheat jay]

even 2button void dh has to think about things more than arms

[green wharf]

Arms should still be more unique. fury have enrage and the characteristic playstyle, Prot is the tank, shield and board warrior

what arms is

the dude with one 2h

[fierce elm]

Yeah and fantasy-wise everyone is gonna have their own opinion on it, that's fine

[wheat jay]

the most typical knight EVER

thats your fantasy

youre a regular dude in armor swinging a sword

thats literally all there is to your spec fantasy

youre a knight

good luck

[green wharf]

But what you do different from other wars

[wheat jay]

you knight

[green wharf]

outside of being a dude with a 2h

[wheat jay]

youre a dude with 2h

[boreal veldt]

youre a dude with 2h

[wheat jay]

okay

imma show you what your spec fantasy is, okay?

ill use trailer from different game

to showcase ARMS class fantasy

cuz it describes it best

[green wharf]

But that is not enough, fury is the dude with one hands or two two-hands, but they ahve enrage, they have odyn's fury

[boreal veldt]

i know literally what youre about to post and i agree

[green wharf]

what arms have

[wheat jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI-EOVpDvo

[boreal veldt]

yep

[wheat jay]

THIS is arms

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

Technically the thing to separate them was always APM and how many things you press

[exotic forge]

You're a dude who dual wields two handers

[wheat jay]

and yooure a dude with big sword

[exotic forge]

That's it

[boreal veldt]

big sword with big aura

[fierce elm]

Which they have lost some of that personality between them

[green wharf]

Everything that was unique to arms it is now on fury and prot, while they mantain their unique stuff

[wheat jay]

big sword, plate armor, composed knight

[wheat jay]

like?

one thing arms did lose is rage management tho

[green wharf]

rend, bladestorm, deep wounds, AM

[wheat jay]

last time it did was legion

[boreal veldt]

i mean this dude is literally the icon of colossus

[wheat jay]

so fury having bleed on bloodthirst since bfa?

[fierce elm]

MoP

[green wharf]

healing reduction prot have too, but i dunno if it was always like this

[fierce elm]

Giving Fury healing reduction was a good choice overall for the Fury community

But ya, I get it

[wheat jay]

it was

[fierce elm]

But there comes a point where your fantasy will never align with Blizzard

there comes a point where maybe it's time to test out other specs lmao

and just un-invest from something that never aligns with your views of what a spec should be

[wheat jay]

they also need to change things around, otherwise youd still be doing one heroic strike every 3 autoattacks

[green wharf]

Fury at least their own version of it

so they are more unique than arms in the end

[fierce elm]

It's just a healing reduction lmao

Why does ret have a horse and DK have a horse

thats wack

[green wharf]

yeah but flavour matters

thematic

[little condor]

Warrior horse when

[green wharf]

visuals, i think this is all important in an rpg

[wheat jay]

theme is still there

[green wharf]

[elfin herald]

arms need something like combat rogue to outlaw

[wheat jay]

you are a knight

[fierce elm]

It is

[wheat jay]

thats your theme

[fierce elm]

but it also doesn't mean that healing reduction need to be unique lmao

or every spec has the same healing reduction

[wheat jay]

you are literally the most basic bitch in any dnd campaign playing human fighter, thats your theme thats your flavour

when it comes to flavour arms is flour

[elfin herald]

its just a footman spec

like

npc fantasy

[wheat jay]

ye

it is

you got no magic

no special shit

[little condor]

Average Joe

[wheat jay]

no enrage where youre burning

ye, youre the average dude smashing things with your sword or axe

[boreal veldt]

John Knight

[wheat jay]

John Warrior

[fierce elm]

Goddamn I love how aggro everyone sound lmfao

[elfin herald]

new warrior players need to chose a fucking beserker with two fucking big swords or a footmen

[green wharf]

Prot is also a knight

[boreal veldt]

fukin love john warrior

[green wharf]

like i said, not unique

[fierce elm]

ANYWAYS, I do agree with you @green wharf I just think that the fantasy you want is never going to happen in a way. You have brought up good points in the post.

[wheat jay]

yes but a tank

with a shield

[fierce elm]

This is the only time we are ever gonna agree on something in general

[wheat jay]

arms doesnt have hsield

[green wharf]

yeah i know isnt going to happen, but doesnt hurt to voice in the foruns

[fierce elm]

Definitely not

[boreal veldt]

until they tune our damage arms doesn't have arms either

[fierce elm]

The forums are made for this

[green wharf]

even if doesnt change for good, there is no chance to change for bad

unless there is a rly spiteful dev

[fierce elm]

I just think Blizzard is just very far off with what you want

and probably a ton of other warrior players too

[wheat jay]

time to expand your horizons syeg

play something different

try out more specs

maybe youll enjoy sth

[fierce elm]

When they baked Hammer of Wrath into judgment I immediately dropped ret

fuck that shit

[elfin herald]

something that piss me off is like arms use rage but not a single skill has something with it

[wheat jay]

cuz your expectations of a spec are very specific

[green wharf]

im already doing

dont you saw my name

[fierce elm]

IP, Slam, Mortal Strike

You have more rage usage than DK has rune usage lmao

[wheat jay]

cant wait for unholy isnt rly unholy

[green wharf]

Overpower should generate rage and i will die on this hill

[boreal veldt]

i was always concerned with our base damage with the arms rework while considering how much crit damage they were adding/baking into abilities

[wheat jay]

oh wait you play frost, right?

[elfin herald]

no thats not the point

itts the fantasy thing

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

i respect frost dk

[green wharf]

Frot is perfect designed

[wheat jay]

tho i preferred it as tank

[fierce elm]

Yeah there is a ton of damage amp that is clearly meant for PvE

[wheat jay]

back in wotlk

[fierce elm]

across the board

[wheat jay]

void dh is kinda fun, i think they nailed it with both hero talents

[fierce elm]

Gee thanks Blizzard

[green wharf]

arms went from the pvp spec to the M+ spec

[fierce elm]

Technically it was always the cleave spec

[wheat jay]

brother youre forgetting that is always been cleave spec

legion arms was #1 m+ spec XD

[boreal veldt]

went from the arena spec to the rbg spec

[wheat jay]

bfa entirety it was mad into cleave

since bfa its been #1 2target cleave spec too

for a very long time

[green wharf]

if pc had space i would download mop classic

cause that was the best arms

[boreal veldt]

and now we have near permanent SS

[wheat jay]

it literally has CLEAVE in its spellbook

[fierce elm]

because it was busted lmao

[elfin herald]

arms in tbc its very fun too

[green wharf]

i liked the gameplay

mortal strike generated rage

[fierce elm]

Isn't it just dump rage into Heroic strke

[green wharf]

i think we still had stun charge

[fierce elm]

It was a long time ago

[wheat jay]

oh so like fury?

generate/spend but just ms/heroic strike?

[green wharf]

damn they made fury into arms

[exotic forge]

This is the Arms Warrior true fantasy

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[fierce elm]

true gold making

[exotic forge]

The true Arms Warrior fantasy is becoming that swole guy going around mining nodes

The true Arms Warrior fantasy is making that moolah with THESE bad boys

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[green wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[exotic forge]

Funny how people think MoP Arms was the peak when Cata Arms is right there

[ebon steeple]

It's going down again but i reset the copper market back to 45 gold per ore. It did go down to 41 lmao

[exotic forge]

I'm selling it for 50 to 75g each

[wheat jay]

Ohhhh i remembered one thing about arms spec fantasy

Troll genocide enjoyer

Take it to zulaman

Go on

Do it

[green wharf]

one of the shitest artifact weapons design

we lost broxxigar diamont axe for this crap

[wheat jay]

It was cool af

[wheat jay]

We got new lore, we got the coolest designed weapon in legion

We got cool shadow void effects

Stromkar > broxx axe

[green wharf]

worst design by far

[wheat jay]

Bruh

Huge ass sword

Hook at the end

[green wharf]

the wook is on the wrong side

it looks stupid, and is badly designed

Those are the only coool models

[warm plinth]

[rancid granite]

hell yeah i hit 90 arms or fury

arms it is

[spark pilot]

Fuck I need this axe just never have the patience

[wheat jay]

How come

Hook on the front would be a 10/10 anti armor feature in a sword

[wheat jay]

Imagine not sending dicksword

Bruh

You're wack

[rancid granite]

I WAS WAITING ON IT

[green wharf]

hook should be on the other side, where you dont have an edge, cause the hook can be ticker and it doesnt break

[green wharf]

what

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/franco-this-is-the-end-gif-25068124

syeg getting trashed by mage mains saying the post is AI slop

kek

[green wharf]

their logic is undeniable

"well constructed post that convey the info well in the warrior forum? it has to be a.i"

[rancid granite]

i mean he opened with "i feel" "it's more of an overall vibe" so its just like #k lol

[exotic forge]

It was not made out of diamond

the fuck

[green wharf]

wood as hard as a diamond

just like warrior wood

[wheat jay]

My wood is as hard as diamond

[wheat jay]

Maybe syeg is ai

Ai experiment from some valkyr

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-sus-face-james-doakes-suspicious-james-doakes-reaction-erik-king-gif-14404252364057104628

[exotic forge]

Cenarius took a piece of bark from a tree, infused it with his power and made an axe out of it that was said it was as hard as the earth itself

the second weapon known to have wounded Sargeras

Strom'kar: TROLL SLICER

Both are good

[green wharf]

LEts give troll players the troll slicer

[exotic forge]

Fuck your troll ancestors

[wheat jay]

Stromkar sword of troll genocider, used to seal old god general

Soaked in void old god blood for thousands of years

Vs

[warm plinth]

you guys arent playing tbc enough, lets kill the servers -blizz

[wheat jay]

Wood

[green wharf]

old good goober, who we had never heard before

versus

weapon that wounded Sargeras

and made a montain of corpses of demons

[wheat jay]

Yep

Ill take the sword thank you

You can keep your wooden axe

Ill stick to metal

[scarlet barn]

Tbh that would happen nonetheless

He already accomplished that with non magical axe before

[green wharf]

metal rusts and the void consumes the mind and corrupt the body

clean wooden axe doesnt

[wheat jay]

Wooden axe also doesnt rly cut you know

[rancid granite]

why is sparks of war so ass

[green wharf]

it cuts so well it cut the biggest dick guy in the universe

[wheat jay]

Wood

Wack

[obtuse wedge]

What trinkets do I get for arms from honor? Is it just personal choice?

[wheat jay]

Out of cc one

[obtuse wedge]

I’m assuming insignia and digit?

Sigil

[wheat jay]

And either proc main stat or on use

[obtuse wedge]

Ok I’ll prolly go proc since it seems more often to occur

[obtuse wedge]

And out off CC 1 min cd on right?

[green wharf]

ye

[obtuse wedge]

Ok for arms right? It’s all the same I assume

Wait I said that my bad

I’m dumb

Ty

[green wharf]

same for all specs

[boreal veldt]

i wonder if the on use conq trink is gonna be crit again lmfao

no reason to think it won't be but i always thought it was funny

aspirant is haste, conq version crit

[exotic forge]

It's always crit

[dusky parrot]

When you hit, make it a crit™

[green wharf]

sneakpeak of arms buffs 17th

[boreal veldt]

Arms' crit damage buffed by 20%
Cleave buffed by 12%
Slam nerfed by 12%
Slayer now designated healer spec.
Colossus 5% more bigger (does not affect damage.)
Hamstring now back on GCD.

[green wharf]

hope that happens for hamstring, cause i rather things go to shit one way or another

[dusky parrot]

Way to remain optimistic

[rancid granite]

they're saving it for the last titan

gotta space out content

[scarlet trout]

the OCE foreign agents

are my worst enemies

[warm plinth]

get me in

[slow solstice]

whats the atomic structure for isopropanol

[green wharf]

C3H80

[lavish quest]

@bright kraken

[slow solstice]

oh its just a tac and an alcohol group

zzz

thought it was something fun

[scarlet trout]

C3H8O

[scarlet trout]

no

its literally isopropyl alcohol

wtf do u mean u dont know what it is

[slow solstice]

@lavish quest did you know that anol is an alcohol

what does propyl mean again

i know iso means mirroring

[scarlet trout]

propyl means C3H7

[lavish quest]

Why is anol = alcohol?

[slow solstice]

its just a uh

whats the term in organic chemistry

its just an organic compound

[scarlet trout]

aromatic

[slow solstice]

and thats the prefix

[scarlet trout]

er

[lavish quest]

Umm

[scarlet trout]

wait

[lavish quest]

Okay

[scarlet trout]

its not

[slow solstice]

no?

[scarlet trout]

it has no benzene ring

[lavish quest]

Ye I took 1 chemistry class in college and hardly remember any of it

[green wharf]

i said it first slowpoke

[slow solstice]

okay no you're confusing me

[green wharf]

[lavish quest]

Gl kids

[slow solstice]

oh and an alcohol group is any compound ending in OH

in that order

@lavish quest

[fierce elm]

NERD TALK

[lavish quest]

Yeah, you're just going on about stuff that doesn't matter

And I'm not sure why

[slow solstice]

its important

bc his name is isopropanol

#pvp message

[lavish quest]

His name is Khailby

[slow solstice]

no look at the character name man

[fierce elm]

lmao

[lavish quest]

I've seen his monk's name several times and I've never bothered to care

I have him on my friend's list

I've seen him on it

[solemn elm]

does this weapon still fear trolls?

i miss using it in tot

and fearing all of the trolls

[slow solstice]

whats the atomic structure for hydroxide @lavish quest

[lavish quest]

OH-

Google OP

[fierce elm]

Oh my lord put my nuts in your mouth

gottem

[lavish quest]

I didn't need to know you wanted me like that

[fierce elm]

: 3

[lavish quest]

I did spot Khailbs in WoW Portal Room

[slow solstice]

spot dn

[fierce elm]

whats dn

[slow solstice]

[green wharf]

DEEZ NUTS

GOTEEEM

[fierce elm]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-hmm-glare-gif-16222799

[rancid granite]

walked right into it

[exotic forge]

Heyyy they just nerfed the afk honor farming lmao

[rancid granite]

not the real one (EBG's)

[fierce elm]

lmfao even

also they fixed STrangulate on root DR

[green wharf]

FUN DETECTED

FUN NERFED

[fierce elm]

Can't wait for every horde player to grind 8 hours of BGs

: 3

[exotic forge]

Pop a flask

Go to town

[exotic forge]

wait what now

[fierce elm]

Yeah Strangulate was on root dr lmao

[green wharf]

nice now i can be rooted and disarmed for more time than before

[fierce elm]

Silences and Disarms no longer incorrectly cause Root effects to be placed on diminishing returns.

Disarm too : 3

[exotic forge]

The fuck

I'm just finding this out now and I run Strangulate

[solemn elm]

wooo

[exotic forge]

yay I guess

[green wharf]

it will be huge when warriors use their root after disarm

[boreal veldt]

glad i got my honor gear done already

[rancid granite]

farming pve for pvp isnt very fetch anyway

back to ebg's

[frail lake]

Should remove 100% honor gain from trainingsground

[dim thunder]

I love getting rolled by premade queue syncers.

[scarlet trout]

@worldly oriole whats your mages name

[solemn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-train-loaf-gif-16290561475055465817

[bright kraken]

Huh

[ornate garnet]

What embellishment are we going as fury pvp?

[fierce elm]

entirely unknown

[ornate garnet]

Supposedly the banding is the best and you’d put it on bracers and back since bloody token gear is lower ilvl now than tww but idk

[fierce elm]

Yeah we are pretty uncertain so far

However, we do have an entire week left to figure it out

[ornate garnet]

I guess you’re right. I’ll ask around and see what people are thinking

[green wharf]

No afro, we need everything figured by day 3 so we can get the etnire season worth of gameplay in the first week

[spice hornet]

LOL

Training ground honor nerfed

[green wharf]

they heard leland was abusing it

[warm plinth]

fucking alliance

[solemn elm]

the embellishments look virtually the exact same i’m betting it’s going to be the same with just crafting the rings with the new version of the focusing iris but idk for sure

[scarlet trout]

sounds awesome

When are you signing up

[warm plinth]

i could on my priest

[scarlet trout]

Just saw a dude mix THREE buzzballs with a can of cutwater, 5 shots of don julio, 3 shots of 99 mango, and a whole bottle of calypso

Broheim is going to see music and hear colors

What the fuck

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

Calypso fucks

[scarlet trout]

Did you not read the prior list of ingredients

potion of doom and despair

drink comes with a parole officer and an ankle braclet with each order

[fierce elm]

Gotta live a little

[exotic forge]

That Slayer's Rise increased rate is oof

[frail lake]

It already felt like its the only one poppimg

[idle falcon]

Mornin

[boreal veldt]

[jovial torrent]

plz tell me those nerfs are a joke, i gotta farm 10 chars worth of honor next week!

[urban skiff]

What an excellent way to level to 81

[urban skiff]

literally 10 minutes to hit level 81 from 80 @green wharf

[green wharf]

yeah the problem is the other 9 levels

[urban skiff]

Zorthas guide is pretty straight forward

[green wharf]

need a video for it

[wheat jay]

Maybe I'll level my hunter today

[urban skiff]

https://youtu.be/uaQp4WgslVg

gotchu

[urban skiff]

hahaha, i saw that one too

it's about the druids wanting to look loa

[green wharf]

might as well try later something, cause im 85 and spamming dungeons dont give any xp at all

[wheat jay]

Ye, they should allow it

Make it a drop

I kinda want to make feral ngl

I saw this

And man is that cool

[green wharf]

But only allow for troll druids

[urban skiff]

My feral is ready, i can even craft honor Weapon with Mastery since the base honor Weapon is crit.

[green wharf]

is there a guide for the enchants and embelishments for this season

like we knew we had to craft 2 rings and 1 neck as base

and had 2 embelishments for focusing lens

[solemn elm]

embellishments look the same virtually focusing lens is back and u probably gonna get 9 heraldry’s again and u just craft rings and neck

but if there’s some funky one that increases something and it’s kind of better we’ll see

[green wharf]

yeah this is what im asking, i think people already have an entire sheet about it

including new enchants for the armor pieces

[solemn elm]

new enchants prolly i’ll figure that out for you but itll be the same just haste vers if you want arms mastery vers if you are fury and stuff

just don’t want to pay for them rn they’re like 100k LOL

[idle falcon]

@urban skiff what is fastest way to level

[lavish quest]

@fierce elm made 100k from the roots alone kek

[jovial torrent]

really wish they would change the gearing, feels like we just have to wait a few months for everyone to have full gear and for things to be balanced

while some ppl get full myth ilvl track stuff from raids/vault to go hard early

[green wharf]

yeah, ima try to level enchant and make myself

[urban skiff]

Literally just linked it 🥴

[urban skiff]

I have no clue what we'll do, currently one of them is stupid op and will be def be fixed

[jovial torrent]

theres no rush to enchant

let the prices crash after allt he mythic raiders get theirs

[wheat jay]

@urban skiff

[urban skiff]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gandalf-lord-of-the-rings-4

what the heck are people talking about warrior for

fury levelling is smooth asf

[green wharf]

[green wharf]

for the first levels everything is

you lv up and you get weaker for some reason

but that is all classes

[urban skiff]

Shaman actually wasn't very smooth

I think people are confused, because the first time you level the quests and zones don't scale to your level

so when you're in voidstorm at level 88 you're fighting mobs that are level 90 in difficulty

That's how my shaman felt, but all my other characters didn't

This is fucking weird to admit

but I think I'm kind of over rampage

[wheat jay]

Time to rework fury and remove rampage

Its had rampage for longer than it didnt

Oh actually not yet

But it had it for 10 years now

[hazy fiber]

bring back rampage as one unique hit

as it was

[wheat jay]

Which wouldnt change a thing lmao

Sure

[urban skiff]

I'd prefer if rampage was useable between 50 and max rage or something

Those moments where I'm at 79 rage just bothers me on a very deep and primal level that is hard to describe

[green wharf]

you mean like the apex talent does with reckless

[urban skiff]

I sort of guess

But having every other button press be rampage is so weird when they just killed that feature for shaman's lava lash spam

[jovial torrent]

id just like meat cleaver changed, feels bad pressing the wet noodle whirlwind

i feel like ww should hit hard in aoe but give it like a sweeping strike treatment, u whirlwind then for 10 seconds all attacks do aoe or somthing

[urban skiff]

I don't understand why whirlwind, thunderclap, Odyn's Fury gets to exist in the same world

the only class I can think of with the same amount of AoEs is enhancement

[green wharf]

just press the hard hitting thunderclap

[jovial torrent]

i actually really liked thane in rbg

u would just mow down 4 ppl at a time on point

and it also slows everyone

[urban skiff]

I always liked Than

[jovial torrent]

the dream, then u go to slayer and have to press whirlwind and shitty hamstring

[green wharf]

Thunderclap should be prot only
Cleave should be arms only
Whirlwind should be fury only

[urban skiff]

Whirlwind should be TC

like the same button that transforms

[green wharf]

yeah, like, lv 1 warrior knows whrilwind

but then you get lv 10

and choose a spec

[green wharf]

this happens

[urban skiff]

Like default thunderclap, turns into whirlwind until you've used your meatcleaver stacks or until x seconds have passed.

[green wharf]

in fury case, you get improved whirlwind

[jovial torrent]

its so weird how WW hits like a truck at low lvl then scales super poorly

[urban skiff]

I miss having slam for fury

[jovial torrent]

they just need to hire a couple koreans to make their attack animations

[urban skiff]

Annie + Odyn's Fury in DF was peak, imho

[jovial torrent]

i really enjoyed war at start of legion but i got shit legendaries so couldnt continue on it

[wheat jay]

I just played with shit legendaries

[lavish quest]

Well they won't speed up gearing or us neets will no life it and unsub in a month

Wish they'd do balancing before the season rather than at start tho

[green wharf]

i hated legion war, it was imo the downfall of arms

[wheat jay]

Ahahahahhahaha

[jovial torrent]

its a shame, i do feel like they have it completely backwards tho, i think ppl unsub because it takes too damn long for the game to be competative and fun

[wheat jay]

Syeg my guy

Arms in legion was best arms iteration ever

[green wharf]

To me ever since mortal strike stopped generating rage it got shit

[jovial torrent]

all of blizzards worst decisions can be boiled down to one word, retention

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

we should make like a channel bingo card for the upcoming balance changes with s1 start

See who's right or not

[green wharf]

i rather have mop or shadowlands

only cause condemn and charge execute

[wheat jay]

Jesus you're so cringe

[green wharf]

[jovial torrent]

i think the first 2 lots of balance changes are going to be embarrasingly minor , then once mythic race is done they will slam some insain 100+% changes

[wheat jay]

You want every spec to be 2 buttons or what?

Cuz condemn was the most boring shit to play in any game mode

[green wharf]

thats quite the hyperbole

[urban skiff]

WHY ARE BLOODSTONES FROM TWW SELLING SO FAST WHAT DO PEOPLE KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW

[green wharf]

how having condemn make arms 2 buttons

[jovial torrent]

i quit playing 2's and condemn made me actually enjoy it, gl kiting me now mage/hunters

[lavish quest]

Nah they got you nerds by the balls

[wheat jay]

Thats what im getting from you whenever you talk about older design or button bloat

[lavish quest]

Don't even know how'd you'd start that

[jovial torrent]

yeh exactly lol, so why try these retention mechanics, im stuck here forever

[urban skiff]

I'd say a few ground rules about specificity and then a template. So people can't just put "Ret buffs" and then that's it

[green wharf]

God forbid a guy want rend to be passive and not a cringe button, that makes you want a 2 button spec

cuz one shit spell

[jovial torrent]

i really have 0 idea what the balance is actually going to look like when season starts, ive watched a little bit of clips of ppl on beta, but when its streamers and r1 players beating on ppl using their free beta key its so hard to actually tell

[lavish quest]

Probably rogue mage buffs

[jovial torrent]

doing sojourner side quests on rogue , i feel like rogue firemage is going to be every other team in awc

u have 3 buttons on rogue, backstab evis secret tech

slice and dice auto applied by evis

no bleeds

[green wharf]

i miss the sub shadow bleed damage

[lavish quest]

I heard @elfin surge is rolling sub

[green wharf]

[lavish quest]

I also heard he is a sub

[green wharf]

@grok is this true

[jovial torrent]

the balance seems so weird too, backstab does so little dmg i feel like ur just guna want to afk hide every time dance on cd

shadowstrike does 4x more dmg than backstab

and summons a clone that does 25% more so really 5x dmg

[urban skiff]

aren't we all?

[urban skiff]

game wants you to deal most of your damage in dance

[wheat jay]

No

[urban skiff]

With the amount of sub rogue i played last seasons, I don't think anyone can say I'm rerolling to sub

[jovial torrent]

i can see rogue being very opressive since all its dmg is in dance, just every stun dr ur guna get hit by a massive ammount of burst

[urban skiff]

yea

[green wharf]

just d-stance

[elfin surge]

i would never

[lavish quest]

Rookie mistake

[copper fox]

1 more week

And we are so back

[lavish quest]

Khailby and Afro back in 1 week? Thought they were already here

[green anchor]

reverse crashout

crash in ?

[fierce elm]

praying for drops tomorrow

[lavish quest]

My war got 12, monk 6, dk 5

:)

War and monk did full clears, dk only did 1 m0

[jovial torrent]

do i do prey on all 10 of my lvl 90's

[fierce elm]

What the fuck lmao

No, go gear honor

[lavish quest]

How have you not ended it all after lvling 10 already

Wait, you're British, nvm

[jovial torrent]

lol yeh that is the plan, i dunno if im guna gear a few and then start transfering honor, i dont really fancy resetting to 0 gear and playing weak chars every time

[lavish quest]

They nerfed training grounds honor, just bare that in mind

[fierce elm]

I mean the goal is to gear and farm on one character

then send over

If you dont want to suffer

[lavish quest]

Nah, then you have to pay taxes

[jovial torrent]

how much honor was it u lose transfering, 10%?

[lavish quest]

We like avoiding taxes here

[fierce elm]

Yeah but I also get to play my main lmao

[jovial torrent]

i need a loicence for transfering honor

[lavish quest]

Isn't it like 25% kek

[fierce elm]

For me farming honor while already doing the rated grind is optimal

[lavish quest]

Brain turned off there

[jovial torrent]

il gear my MW monk first and assblast everyone as fistweaver

[lavish quest]

I'm gonna need honor to drop from keys and raid

[jovial torrent]

are the new honor gems dropping or raising in price

[worldly oriole]

Holy shit wish season would just come out today

blizzard hired a psychologist for this release schedule

[fierce elm]

NO 😠

[fierce elm]

Tony has been part of like 40 season launches

[jovial torrent]

a season doesnt start till tony is part of it

[lavish quest]

But I usually go for 3k io and aotc first

SadgeBusiness

[fierce elm]

I just do both

[lavish quest]

Well I may go for like 1800 or 2100 early on. But usually past that towards the end

[jovial torrent]

i wana try blast out as many 1800's as i can before i need to start getting conquest on em

[worldly oriole]

im going 2100 on 5 characters first day

quit my job for that.

I should get out of bed and do some m0

before reset

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[fierce elm]

Yeah you want to grab 1600 day one probably

Unless you are extremely lucky in raiding day one

[lavish quest]

2k io day one ez

[fierce elm]

yeah or that lmao

Which is a week after

GOTTA GO FAST

[lavish quest]

Wait... keys not till a week after?

ragey

[fierce elm]

Keys are the 24th : )

[lavish quest]

Nvm, midnight is doomed. GGs lads

Alright so AOTC week 1 ez

prayge

[elfin surge]

😂

[worldly oriole]

im a beast with questing gear

[lavish quest]

Rizznjizz is winning

[worldly oriole]

lol

nice name

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-pool-fake-laugh-hide-pain-gif-9830476

[worldly oriole]

its too early for m0

[robust hearth]

Already got 5 lvl 80s all maxed honor and warmode gear

[robust hearth]

Tell imfiredupp hi

[worldly oriole]

its me lol @robust hearth

I stole his name

[lavish quest]

Get baited by Tony

[worldly oriole]

he was good in legion

dunno if he's been relevant since

[fierce elm]

Yeah

firedup has not been relevant

dude is washed as fuck

worst mage

worst guild

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-banging-fist-on-ground-agony-anguish-pain-suffering-gif-10047053495593873096

[lavish quest]

Just like mud

It's so much easier to just start bad and stay bad like me.
They can't call me washed

They must acknowledge I am unclean

[elfin surge]

not true

[fierce elm]

Real Gs stay bad

[elfin surge]

im washed i just say i dont try anymore

[fierce elm]

Mud makes 18 bucks an hour from his KFC manager of the night shift role

dude doesn't give a fuck

He puts in the hours, puts in the work

[lavish quest]

And they still made me SF and Ambassador

[fierce elm]

lmao

[lavish quest]

Also, I've learned there's two Alter Time discord

[fierce elm]

why lmfao

"less degen mage mains" and "more degen mage mains"

[urban skiff]

two timelines, the one that could have been and the one it became

Reddit: wHaT wAs ThE pOiNt Of StAt SqUiSh

[fierce elm]

to be fair people want to go back to 1k-2k hits being large

[jovial torrent]

i think the bigger problem is all the passive/proc numbers, press one ability nd for some reason u get flashbanged by 6 dmg sources

[wheat jay]

Wack

I WANNA HIT MILLIONS

[fierce elm]

Idk, I think the 500k-600k range is pretty fine

good readability, doesn't seem absurd absurd in boss healths

[lavish quest]

One is mage discord, the other is Spanish speaker discord?

[fierce elm]

the fuck lmao

I mean fair enough more power to the lads

[jovial torrent]

the squish has started to get really weird where low lvl gear doesnt even get +1 of any stat upgrade alot of the time

[fierce elm]

Can't wait for a +20 ilvl that is +4 haste

[urban skiff]

I can see the appeal, but with how stats work and how mush player brains are, I don't see it being a thing that can work anymore

[lavish quest]

I don't think just Spanish mages either. Just all the Spanish. Idk

They both partnered up with portal room lmao

[urban skiff]

Man we're just losing every single bg today

wth

bg literally just started, half the raid went off to the side?

[lavish quest]

Buffs n stuff

[wheat jay]

Wanna play some together zercher?

[urban skiff]

sure

i got my pocket heals

[urban skiff]

let's go

as soon as this ashran ends

@wheat jay I don't think this ashran will end before it's time to pick up kids 🙁

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Later then

[idle falcon]

new tactic

[urban skiff]

NOT A WINNING ONE

BUT A TACTIC NONE THE LESS

[idle falcon]

@urban skiff wanna run some bgs together

[urban skiff]

am running out of time before kids pickup

[idle falcon]

ok

later?

[urban skiff]

yea sure

team skyhold

[lavish quest]

How dare EU claim team skyhold

[urban skiff]

Skyhold is in EU though

Literally scandinavian mythology

[lavish quest]

It's blizzards version of it

Which is in CA, US

Which isn't much better but still

[urban skiff]

We just got called bots in the training grounds by a rando

That's my wife 2nd on damage

[spice hornet]

Another day logging into work while @elfin surge and @worldly oriole get to play WoW all day

[elfin surge]

im at work rn moron

https://tenor.com/view/titans-of-cnc-titan-manual-mill-gif-12538836

[spice hornet]

Shut up Kyle

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/colonel-colonel-sanders-dancing-queen-dancingcolonel-kfc-gif-12963709

[wheat jay]

eyo what illusion O_O

[lavish quest]

Isn't that one of the SL pvp ones?

[wheat jay]

maybe s1

ye

[worldly oriole]

lol im not on

[lavish quest]

Yeah he's on cod @spice hornet

[scarlet trout]

Its the s1 pvp one

Of sl

Yes

Sinful flame

Xd

[lavish quest]

Didn't do much pvp in SL so don't got it

Just the ce

[solemn elm]

i was playing ffxiv season 1 of shadowlands everybody was playing it

shadowlands launch was atrocious

conduit energy

can’t switch covenants on the fly gotta wait

can’t be real

[worldly oriole]

WHERE is the vault?

nvm dont think its active yet

[lavish quest]

Correct

But it's in the bank as always

[spice hornet]

Conduit energy was so fried. I cannot believe they let it launch in that state

The maw also launched in a half baked state

[lavish quest]

Shadowlands was fried. I can't believe they still consider it a part of the game

[fierce elm]

Shadowlands was not real

never existed

[elfin surge]

but the pvp was fun

minus the few dumb things

[spice hornet]

Yeah I enjoyed shadowlands
PvP heavily except the RMP part

[wheat jay]

3 s tier comps

rmp, retwarr, and jungle

lmao

[worldly oriole]

frost walking dead

[lavish quest]

Idk, I didn't some 3s till 1800, but dead game mode so falls apart as always.
And I was CE focused then

[worldly oriole]

i got glad with the team i played with in corrupted end

then they quit

[lavish quest]

Dude you know what would really fix the game? If Mud could one shot you with warbringer execute charge again as a necrobanner warrior. That'd be so sick. I used to love when Mud pos-posted those 1 shot clips in his discord. Me and all the boys used to love spam reacting with arcanite ripper emotes.

[spice hornet]

lmfao

[spice hornet]

sure is interesting how muds rating got lower and lower each time one of those things was nerfed or removed

[urban skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/Fwxbwmk3Qj

Anyone know what this bit about world of Warcraft means?

Is it good for my fps

[elfin surge]

i peaked without necro banner u noob

[lavish quest]

I didn't know Mud existed back then but tru brutha

[jovial torrent]

honestly if ur pc is working fine atm i wouldnt update they released some driver when requiem released that made fans go mental or somthing and they had to roll it back and remove it from their website @urban skiff

[urban skiff]

Yeah, that's this patch i think. Plus a bunch of hotfixes that are also baked into this release

[jovial torrent]

the comments seem positive, atleast with ppl who have 5090's

[spice hornet]

When we queueing double warrior triple healer 5s?

wtf who changed my name

Admin abuse

[haughty jewel]

Bald ahh boy

[elfin surge]

[exotic forge]

sup baldie

lmao

[idle falcon]

mud do u think warrior is/will be meta in pvp this season

[spice hornet]

Mud
knowing what’s going on in retail

Pick one

[elfin herald]

save worrior

[solemn elm]

the doohickey

[idle falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/342766218358423564/1465799341511016508/TakeThisNim.gif

[solemn elm]

mambo says if they touch it more and make it broken it’ll be meta but otherwise small buffs and it’ll be okay and you can play it

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/mambo-mambo-mambo-omatsuri-mambou-matikanetannhauser-gif-12623842818647218209

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840637073773559838/1474424276240171219/our-brains-are-mambo-mambo-brain.gif

@solemn elm look what i found

blind mambo

[solemn elm]

stronkmon my goat

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[elfin surge]

impossible to tell

arms is not playable

fury seems alright

[idle falcon]

what about the roots

[elfin surge]

thats the problem we will have

[stark agate]

Oh my goodness gracious. Avatar not freeing you from roots and slows and blade storm having less uptime is so cringe what is this

[elfin surge]

fury and warrior in general needs high uptime force cds

[stark agate]

If they “fix” arms warrior viability by making mortal strike do 3x more damage or something and just leaving it at that I will be disappointed

[fierce elm]

Will you get arrested for the murder you commited in 1994 this season @elfin surge

[worldly oriole]

I got Hella gear on mage

[elfin surge]

what does this mean bro

[fierce elm]

The real lore knowers know

[spice hornet]

Mud was born in 2012…