pvp

[wheat jay]

The only thing i can 100% agree on is sitting in roots/slows

[dusky parrot]

yknow its bad when bahjeera is playing with whirlwind consistently in pvp

[wheat jay]

But thats not only warrior lol

[dusky parrot]

as arms*

[wheat jay]

You do know it has been good numerous times in the past, right?

Like that talent that made it slam on top of ww

You press whatever is better dmg per rage thats all

[dusky parrot]

yeah for the 3 times you get a melee comp in a caster meta

[wheat jay]

Was it caster meta?

[dusky parrot]

destro = one shot, mage = one shot

[wheat jay]

Do we count ret as caster?

[dusky parrot]

spriest = insane dmg

[wheat jay]

And unholy/

[green wharf]

Bajhera is washed up

[robust hearth]

Hi @lavish quest

[dusky parrot]

who else do we have to turn to?

[green wharf]

what the hell is that name

[dusky parrot]

swiftyy stopped

he does other things

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/asmoning-asmongold-gif-18386061762571605465

[wheat jay]

Noone

Just copy top players from ladder

[robust hearth]

Bajheera and swifty r washed up dad gamer now

[wheat jay]

Or i dunno, you got few r1s here

Why do you need a streamer, when you got proper r1s here on speed dial xD

[green wharf]

We need the r1 people here to give their honest feedback and how to improve

[dusky parrot]

yeah, me

[green wharf]

so i can compile and send into the official forums

[dusky parrot]

trust

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

Why do you need streamers then xD

[robust hearth]

@winged thistle

[green wharf]

that or i do it myself

[wheat jay]

Sheesh

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

Also, isnt it fucjing prepatch now?

Far from season launch?

[green wharf]

technically is midnight already

all the changes are in

[wheat jay]

Prepatch

[rancid granite]

we're in BETA

[wheat jay]

No tuning, no tier sets, no pvp gear

No conquest gear

[green wharf]

at best we will get aura tunning

[wheat jay]

Y'all are regarded

[lavish quest]

Hello friend

[green wharf]

people have that in beta while testing

and it sucks still

[dusky parrot]

and pre-patch is whats to come

[wheat jay]

Prepatch where armor doesnt work as always

No apex talents, no bonus hero talents

[dusky parrot]

literally look where what server we in and tell me that isn't automatically assumed

[wheat jay]

Well, nowadays it is

[winged thistle]

who fucking tagged me

[wheat jay]

Yo mag

[winged thistle]

yo sup

sry didnt mean to swear (trying to stop that)

[wheat jay]

Khaliby really got to you, didnt he?

[robust hearth]

[green wharf]

People want to know from the GOATs, what are the concerns/problems warriors(specifically arms) have in pvp and what could be done to fix it/improve it

[winged thistle]

nothing does dmg

0 agency to win arena

3s storm bolt 2s shockwave

if u have 0 cc, and 0 dmg, wat do u do to win

[wheat jay]

Pve

[winged thistle]

u cant do pve dmg bc u do no dmg

and u cant stay on ur target bc hamstring is still the worst slow in the game

[robust hearth]

Warrior is DOA

Play something else

[dusky parrot]

outlaw rogue is pretty fun

not meta, but def fun

[wheat jay]

I dunno, roll tank and play m+ like dekel?

[winged thistle]

is this channel called pve

[green wharf]

Ok, we are cooking, @solemn elm @novel crater @copper fox can shime in too and talk about warriors problems/concerns and what to do to improve them, want to hear real good people talking about and understand to the depths of it

[winged thistle]

whats it matter tho

sitting around having a pow wow

[green wharf]

Im trying to compile it and send to the official forums

[winged thistle]

aint like the war dev reads this shit or even cares ab pvp warrior lol

[green wharf]

to see if it does anything

[winged thistle]

he aint readin that shit neitha

[green wharf]

Well, it doesnt hurt to try

at least we have a place where all is listed

[wheat jay]

Does pvp still have some devs?

[winged thistle]

that guys the most useless dev theyve got warrior hasnt gotten a meaningful set of changes since slands

[green wharf]

i guess like 2

[winged thistle]

if u post it tho link it to me or something

mayb i can do something with it

if its well written/accurate

or maybe link wat u want to write and ill post it

[wheat jay]

Thats not true, you lost all fun abilities

[winged thistle]

mayb my name holds some weight or something round those there parts

[novel crater]

huh what did I miss?

[green wharf]

Just some last minute effort trying to fix warrior

[wheat jay]

Syeg took initiative

And is being useful

[winged thistle]

the issues with warrior arent tuning based but design based and the odds of them changing things at a DESIGN level 2 weeks before game comes out are slim to none

[green wharf]

i just got mogged by the new demon hunter who couldnt be slowed, was way too faster tham me, and was immune for a few good seconds here, so yeah the hamstring/movespeed seems like one of the biggest warrior problems

[novel crater]

we dogshit on beta and prepatch, Arms guide is 1. press slam... that is it. fury has to choose between a bladestorm that heals people and avatar

dev aint doing shit

[copper fox]

Uhhh I ain’t saying shit until season 1 drops because nothing before that matters

[green wharf]

did you saw they nerfed slam by 60% in pvp?

[novel crater]

ye

and buff everything else

will still

do dick nothing

[winged thistle]

15% of 0 is 0

[copper fox]

Real

[novel crater]

this

[copper fox]

Warrior is ass reroll barbell bench press

[winged thistle]

been spamming feedback in the only place it matters genuinely

so maybe arms will be ok

i cba fury tho

rampage 5% of someones hp hitting thunderclap

best of luck fury warriors hope that spec is dogshit next 2 xpacs

[copper fox]

Hell yea

[novel crater]

lmao

[wheat jay]

Fury slander is best slander

[green wharf]

Seems like tclap is doing more damage than thunderblast too, which is an odd design

[wheat jay]

Keep that shit in m+

[copper fox]

As the great goat says

[novel crater]

old schools will always prefer arms its fine

[wheat jay]

Do you have the "virgin victimhood vs chad improvement mindset"?

[green wharf]

So basically warrior problems are design wise, taking accoutn the hamstring and sitting on roots slows all the time, what else problems do we have, mechanically and how to improve?

[novel crater]

i forgot about this lol

[green wharf]

ignoring damage, cause this is prob tunning issues

more like gameplay, fluidity of the spec

i said it beofre but i feel fury much more fluid to play than arms, like driving a sports car versus a truck

[novel crater]

we went from having root breaks to having only gnome as a root break

[wheat jay]

Id say +1s to sb

Would make a big difference

[novel crater]

sb got fucked with the changes but they wont revert it cuz it helps new players

[green wharf]

We also lost piercing howl

whats sb?

[novel crater]

the talent trees are a joke

[wheat jay]

Storm bolt

[green wharf]

o gotcha

[novel crater]

avatar+bladestorm howl+fear

[violet fossil]

Alright yall I’ve been out of the loop with warrior

What happened

[novel crater]

stormbolt is 3 seconds

when leg sweep is 4 AoE

[wheat jay]

Longer cd though

[novel crater]

shockwave feels like half a global

[wheat jay]

Gotta account for that

[green wharf]

damn shockwave is 2 seconds did they change that or it was always like that?

wasnt 4s?

[wheat jay]

They nerfed dh stun too

Its 4s and 2s aoe, fel eruption and chaos nova baked into one iirc

Not sure tho

[novel crater]

what else, ohhh if u take the new long fear talent people can fucking cast while in the fear

[violet fossil]

HUH?

[wheat jay]

Thats a bug tho

[solemn elm]

the cc changes made shockwave piss 2 seconds

[violet fossil]

o

[rancid granite]

everyone is having a pout session rn

[novel crater]

yeep

[solemn elm]

but if you are colossus you have a longer shockwave

and in this expac they also made it piss 2 seconds my bad

[copper fox]

I’m not even pressing the arms spec button once in midnight

[green wharf]

so would be better to consolidate Stormbolt as our basic CC of like 5s and remove shockwave, or have a talent that increases stormbolt stun to 5/6s or to pick shockwave, so you have the two?

[exotic forge]

Why would you play Fury

[violet fossil]

Is arms playing like booty

[exotic forge]

Are you stupid

Just play Arms or don't play warrior

[green wharf]

fury is doing damage, arms is not

[wheat jay]

Id make it choice node ngl

[copper fox]

Let’s compare ratings throughout the ssn

[solemn elm]

can just play both

[copper fox]

Sound good?

[wheat jay]

I raise 2450

[exotic forge]

Deal

[solemn elm]

i play which ever one is better

[novel crater]

u know meth is r1 shuff right? lol

[rancid granite]

meth is a BM main he doesnt matter anymore

[wheat jay]

^

[green wharf]

he told me he was a brewmaster main

[solemn elm]

gonna be rank 1 shuff as bm too fosho

[wheat jay]

Meth lost all aura and all gains

[green wharf]

[exotic forge]

He lost all bragging rights

[copper fox]

I’m going to play a worse spec and out rating you all ssn

It’s fine

[rancid granite]

he can still redeem himself if he uses a bunch of cats as BM

and gets the crazy cat lady title

[green wharf]

So we covered stun/CC

What about defensives/heals? do we buff Fuelled by violence? do we change impeding victory to work like death strike? Get rid of second wind or if not, how to improve it?

[solemn elm]

need ignore pain

[exotic forge]

[solemn elm]

to do anything

[rancid granite]

second wind was legit for like 2 days

[solemn elm]

ignore pain on fury

[robust hearth]

Anything you say

https://tenor.com/view/shaurin-gif-26393550

[solemn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sniffing-sniff-smelling-smell-gif-8726179370742836028

[green wharf]

ignore pain is so bad right now though

[exotic forge]

It was good for a week

[solemn elm]

thats y i just said it needs to do anything at all

[wheat jay]

2nd wind ass, give it a heal for 20% instant, 20% over 10s, rsther than impend

[green wharf]

like, sure it doesnt cost rage, but it have a longer CD and it soak dick damage

[robust hearth]

Warriors should have disarm baseline

[exotic forge]

Forget about the cd or the absorption rates, it's on the GCD

That's why it feels bad to press

[solemn elm]

sex

[exotic forge]

You either dick someone down or they dick you down

[exotic forge]

The timing

[solemn elm]

no you can destroy someone even if they are doing so

just depend what happenin

[green wharf]

what if, bear with me, second wind gain a secondary effect, on top of healing the lil shit it does, and ramping up our hp out of combat, you can activate and it heals 20% of hp and clean diseases/curses/poisons, 1,5m CD?

[winged thistle]

u dont need anything like that

u need hamstring off global, longer stuns, ignore pain off gcd, for both specs, but not as strong

then its just tuning

[exotic forge]

^

[novel crater]

Give me back my 4 second stormbolt

[solemn elm]

the bfa change to make hamstring the slop it is now has been the worst change yet

[exotic forge]

That was Legion

Thanks pvers

[rancid granite]

what if u just make hamstring work as monks hamstring, use it 2x to root.. poblem solved for hamstring and cc same time

ez

[exotic forge]

And Bitter Immunity is ass. Anything affected by dampening is ass

[exotic forge]

Hamstring used to do this, funny enough

[green wharf]

What if hamstring was baked in something else like slam/Ms/Overpower, like Rets have their slow with judgement? or just by itself but off the GCD entirelly?

Something i was thinking too, to offset button bloat was making MS apply rend, regardless of the enemy HP, if you get bloodletting talent ay or nay?

[green wharf]

it was ass, they removed

[winged thistle]

either off global or baked in somewhere

its too horrible as is

javilineer worst talent in game 5yd longer range on storm bolt

should just make it 4s stun if they wont baseline do it

[wheat jay]

I think the only spec with slow as bad as warrior is survi, wing clip basically hamstring lol

But they also have tar trap slow xd

[green wharf]

you can also get range slow on survival

[wheat jay]

Not anymore iirc

[winged thistle]

u cant genuinely compare a class that does half of its dmg from ranged

to warrior

even ww can hamstring u from like 12yds away

[wheat jay]

And can hamstring 2nd time to root

[winged thistle]

and attacking u reapplies their slow

[wheat jay]

Ye, with autoattacks iirc

Just make heroic throw reapply the slow and make it 70% for 3s

[green wharf]

frost have this too, frost strike refresh chains of ice

[lavish quest]

Don't worry guys, woyer still S tier

[exotic forge]

It's WoD all over again

[rancid granite]

maybe it's time for everyone to go prot

[copper fox]

lol also ty but I don’t think so 😂

[worldly oriole]

What If Hamstring Was Baked Into My Edibles

[exotic forge]

You could eat a hamstring

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-hands-up-druski-shrug-druski-idk-meme-gif-7093177929627107381

[green wharf]

nah bro, this new DH spec

is playing a shooter

not a mmo

how this is even possible

[worldly oriole]

why's it a shooter

[dusky parrot]

I say we delete paladin

tirion is dead, no one fuckin cares

I dont think anyone will miss 1600 ret crybabies

[rancid granite]

wtf tirion died?

[dusky parrot]

yeah tirion fordring, in legion

last good relevant paladin

[rancid granite]

😔

played so much legion but never finished it lmao 😭

[dusky parrot]

oh well for context, to get ashbringer in legion you pluck it from his corpse after he dies from a trash mob

[frank knoll]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

yeah boy

[dusky parrot]

yeah the same dude who struck down arthas and broke frostmourne

was killed by an argus trash mob

[frank knoll]

Tirion Fordring is Albanian

[dusky parrot]

its an allegory for how horrendously dogshit paladins actualy are in the game

[rancid granite]

oh ok i was confusing tirion and Turalyon anyway

[dusky parrot]

OHHH

I only like Turalyon for one reason, and its that hes the one human besides varian that actually looks like a human and not a ken doll

[rancid granite]

googled tirion and was like he doesnt look paladin-enough to what i remember

[exotic forge]

Turalyon is an asshole

[dusky parrot]

hes a schizo

[exotic forge]

Tirion is a gigachad

Befriended an orc, got exiled, got the Light stripped away from him but he still could use it

[dusky parrot]

"you dont understand it yall.. the space goats and yellow chandeliers are to purify us.."

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-agents-know-dont-gif-18536773

[rancid granite]

i need to rewatch a 2hour lore recap of everything before midnight release

[dusky parrot]

tww = nothing happens

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-yesbutno-gif-1502181837354549727

[dusky parrot]

platinum wow will try and gaslight you and say the earthen and xal'atah is "actually a really indepth story" but its actually just a hallmark movie with swords

[exotic forge]

I think you could make an exception for Xal since she's been in the story since Legion, that was almost 10 years ago

[dusky parrot]

yeah wow, being a dagger. tubular.

its not like the archetype of "I was corrupted by the old gods" isnt an overdone trait right?

(Deathwing, the emerald/black dragonflight, garrosh, aqir, mogu)

[rancid granite]

https://youtu.be/xh-hZB9eEVQ

this was interesting to start with i hadn't finished it yet

[exotic forge]

The mogu, the mechagnomes, the earthen, the vrykul and other titanforged

[dusky parrot]

already know how the worldsoul saga is gonna end

im calling it

RIGHT NOW.

Xal'atah doesnt die in midnight, and shes the "last titan"

and shes the final boss

[exotic forge]

Midnight to me feels like Legion all over again but without a sense of threat

[dusky parrot]

beyond true

its not really a large scale threat other than "the void is attacking shit" yeah when are they not lmao

[rancid granite]

the threat in legion was peak

demons and spaceships alien invasion etc

peak scifi fantasy

[exotic forge]

With the Legion you had them EVERYWHERE, and you knew it was bad because, shit, they tried invading the planet twice before

[dusky parrot]

also how in the hell is the void still relevant to begin with, all 4 old gods are dead, you can literally study in the void cannoically to be a shadow priest

and theyre invading silvermoon? Oh no... dont die... oh my god...

[exotic forge]

The Void is always relevant somehow tbh

Just like the Light

They're both essential to the whole cosmology in the Warcraft universe

[dusky parrot]

yeah that I understand, but when should it ever pose a threat when the four main big assholes that were embeded into the planet are now dead

UNLESS theres another one, which xal'atah does not look like

[exotic forge]

There's the Void lords, I guess?

The Old Gods being just a small manifestation of them

[rancid granite]

putting this in here again cause its super cool

[dusky parrot]

I mean it would work.. she manipulates.. and shes a woman. What did blizzard mean by this?

[exotic forge]

There it is

I got the book where this is shown, it's pretty cool

[green wharf]

nah

last titan is azeroth

in the expansion they kill amanthul

cause he is a bad male

[dusky parrot]

how much you wanna bet, we have another sylvannas vs bolvar and xal'atah fights amanthul in the most one sided ass beating- slurps the power and becomes the last titan

because theyre KINDA on a streak with it, sylvASS vs bolvar, vendetta vs doomfist

theyll go 3 for 3

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-hands-up-druski-shrug-druski-idk-meme-gif-7093177929627107381

[dusky parrot]

Oh can’t forget xal’atah vs khadgar

[violet fossil]

I hope we get a xalatah and Azeroth makeout session

[rancid granite]

has the big ass sword been mentioned in tww or for midnight yet

[violet fossil]

Don’t think I’ve seen any mention of it

[rancid granite]

for whatever reason i thought the last titan was azeroth too so i assumed that'd be the major plot point by the end

the last titan and the sword

[wheat jay]

Nice

[violet fossil]

Is she not?

The last titan?

[rancid granite]

well mr.execute was saying it'd be xalatath lol

[dusky parrot]

What Sword?™

[rancid granite]

i actually went there for an old quest and thought it was finally gone

i was just in an old phase

still there

[ebon steeple]

Mark my words sargeras and illidan will team up to help azeroth in the last titan

[dusky parrot]

and then they take turns beating the shit out of sylvannas

[dim thunder]

Azeroth/Xal-atath fusion dance

[solemn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-gif-25012257

[green wharf]

she is

gonna be

They going to bring back sargeras somehow and kill amanthul so azeroth is the "titan leader"

The problem is what the hell they gonna do after that

to are going over the top a bit too much to go back now

[violet fossil]

Jailer comes back

[green wharf]

nah this one is cooked for good

[solemn elm]

how do you know all of this syegfryed

[lavish quest]

Brazil insight op

[faint hemlock]

alternate draenor, void done NOW LIGHT BAD

[lavish quest]

We gotta be down bad if the pvp chat is discussing lore

[faint hemlock]

I mastered arms for midnight already, every button is slam

[dim thunder]

Not really anymore need for it with the way warrior is. Just turn it into a lore channel.

[green wharf]

im a loremaster

[lavish quest]

They nerfed rhat

[green wharf]

actually i do know about wow story, is what made me play the game

and the reason im mad about it since they ruined

[faint hemlock]

we got buffed elsewhere right? slam sucks, heroic strike is kinda fun to press but slam spam is zzzzz

[green wharf]

im a fantasy nerd, play and dm dnd for more than 15 years

[faint hemlock]

where did it fall off for you?

[lavish quest]

Yes, but not enough

Good luck

[green wharf]

End of MOP was the start, but Legion fuck it it all up

[lavish quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897055819475091456/1472733578914824303/image.png?ex=6993a587&is=69925407&hm=308864fac7d12a2a833c50b689d34ff8b1f299fee421a6421deef8da45f3342b&

[faint hemlock]

ew

good thing I have my ret, dk, and hunter

[green wharf]

Like, legion was a legit trick, it tricked everyone into thinking it was a good story

[faint hemlock]

must have tricked me, felt like it fell off really hard when we went into bfa

[green wharf]

but the narrative and decisions were ass

Illidan bro open a portal to the legion homeworld and they do dick about it

we go there with 12 people and streamroll their ten thousand years empire

and they never send their huge amount of spaceships here

[faint hemlock]

yeah narratively speaking it really felt like legion/sarg should have been the finish line

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-black-guy-tap-head-gif-27536171

[dim thunder]

Funny enough, the new trilogy thing they're going for would have been better for Legion.

[faint hemlock]

lore-wise though werent we hyper OP because of our artifact weapons though?

like have we actually been as strong since then narratively speaking?

surely progression isnt we fend off sargeras and his army and then were killing bugs underground in a raid and were stronger now

[green wharf]

not that much

the point is, legion should just be the defense against the legion

[sand sundial]

they do this shit every time LOL

"what if evil guy was good, and good guy was evil????"

cue dark elf woman being chased by another elf woman soap opera

wow is the one game where none of the main characters have agency except the villian who can do no wrong

[green wharf]

you cut to another expansion where we go to argus with ana ctual army/expedition, but they wanted to waste everything in Legion

[sand sundial]

you can tell that the writers geniunely think theyre not dumb asf for doing another "elf vs elf" drama after legion>bfa>shadowlands

[green wharf]

And strong female leader who needs no man take the leadership

its such a predictable path lol

New amani leader? course is a woman, and they were going to kill her brother too

[dim thunder]

I'm pretty sure it's well established that Wow writers are bad at large-scale stories. At least, they have been for awhile.

[green wharf]

cause evil male who stick with the old ways

[faint hemlock]

before you know it they're gunna give thrall and lorthemar some big naturals

[green wharf]

but seems like they backtrack that

[dim thunder]

It's a shame, cause you occasionally get decent quest chains or regions, but they always bungle it for the large narrative strokes.

[sand sundial]

no nothing silly like that LOL also aint nobody paying attention to that in the big 2026

[faint hemlock]

cue the purple hair big girl discussing the overall narrative of the expac with the last bit of light in metzen's eyes going out

[green wharf]

Afro would love this discussion

[green wharf]

They think they are top tier writers, most of the problem is that

[sand sundial]

hes gone?

[faint hemlock]

no one cares about this, the problem is they think people do

[green wharf]

imagine you write something thinking you are the hot shit, and when it flops you blame the people

At least when i write my dnd campaigns i know is mediocre but as long my players like its what it counts

[dim thunder]

I dunno. Wow can do well with small, narrowly-focused quest chains and narratives. My guess is that the big stuff is done by committee or some of their higher ups, and they all suck.

[dusky parrot]

They put the good writers on shit side quest duty

[green wharf]

🫤

[dusky parrot]

Bro what

[faint hemlock]

my guess is it's actually pretty decent, then they want to start putting beloved characters in wheelchairs and showcasing one armed gen x haircut paladins and it gets lost along the way

[dusky parrot]

Tf did the bank do

[green wharf]

lmao

[dim thunder]

Maybe some sort of item dupe exploit.

Or shit getting lost.

[green wharf]

im sure some shit will get lost

[dusky parrot]

shit I would to having to grind for bs

[green wharf]

thankfully i took all the 3m i had it there

[green wharf]

@sharp meteor gonna lose some gold ay?

also, we didnt took your imput about warrior problems and how to fix them for pvp @sharp meteor

say your piece

[sharp meteor]

Hopefully not.

[exotic forge]

The smaller stories usually end up being better anyway

[green wharf]

are you saying small is good?

[exotic forge]

It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it.

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[solemn elm]

i actually loved the story of legion felt like the end really but then bfa was just atrocious 🙏

[violet fossil]

legion was good mayne

bfa was the fuck up

[green wharf]

Legion was BFA

masquerated by Legion

[green wharf]

This is just a writing trick, to deceive people, you take things people recognize and love, then build on top of it

If you dont pay attention, you miss that its all build on sand

then put some hype moments with Illidan, give what they want with DH and you can get away with most of the nonsese

like killing vol'jin by a non named mob with "fel poison'

that was never a thing before, and it never comes up again

a poison strong enough to stop troll regeneration, who already worked against similar substance

Plus, just throwing vol'jin away like shit, after all that happened in MOP, and nothing he did in WoD

To give the position of leader - who should always be an orc - to a dead elf

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254765

[dusk meteor]

should i be holding orbs in temple of kotmogu as a prot warrior in bg blitz?

[green wharf]

most likely

yes

[dusk meteor]

okay ty.

[green wharf]

@urban skiff seems like with this we dont need frost shock anymore

[urban skiff]

well duh

😄

Works really well with voltaic

[green wharf]

only know i stop to read shaman stuff on enh

was doing elemental for raid farming

[urban skiff]

oh man, I can't believe Enh got to stay S tier all of TWW and then goes into midnight even stronger

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

Enhancement is my Dark Souls experience in WoW

https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Deprived

[violet fossil]

Eh?

[urban skiff]

I felt so good when I started dark souls first time, decided to go deprived and then beat the asylum demon out of sheer will. And then someone told me deprived is the best class vs the asylum demon 🙁

[violet fossil]

Also I’d say maybe cataclysm

[green wharf]

BFa was a direct reflection of the events of Legion

legion/bfa/shadowlands is basically the same "book" so to speak

[green wharf]

i never played any souls game

need to buy a controller to play on me PC

[urban skiff]

Been looking at a G7 pro Gamesir

wore down both my steam controller and a custom xbox one controller

About time I try something new

[green wharf]

yeah imma just buy an cheap ps2-like controler

with usb

[urban skiff]

Dont go too cheap, or you might wear it out and hve to buy a 2nd one

[green anchor]

also got this dm faster than his discord server loaded when joined it lmao

[green wharf]

so Monk hamstring

same resource cost, same icon

get refreshed by every attack, including auto attack

and if you use it again you root the target

while our hamstring is dogshit and you have to reapply all the time?

[urban skiff]

Theirs isn't a 0.75 sec gcd

war hamstring is superior

[green wharf]

seems like it is though

[urban skiff]

Is monk GCD affected by haste?

[green wharf]

i dunno

and did you read that

it gets reapplied by every attack

and if you use again it roots

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[wheat jay]

its ranged too btw

[violet fossil]

Damn they stole it and gave it to monks

[green wharf]

?

am i missing a talent

[wheat jay]

Im fairly sure it was ranged

Like, 99% sure

[wheat jay]

Look for wind's reach talent

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

I'm still fairly sure it was longer range

Wowhead has some disabling reach pvp talent but its not it

I dunno, pvp modifier for range?

Go hit a dummy xD

[green wharf]

i think you tripping

imma do that later

[wheat jay]

i might be i havent played in in some time

[robust hearth]

https://www.twitch.tv/crusader3455/clip/ModernOutstandingBatRalpherZ-r793DgGhTJL45BGK bro cant relax at all

[lavish quest]

Increased ranged by 5 yds makes it 10 yds

[worldly oriole]

10 days

[lavish quest]

https://youtube.com/shorts/apQOO8OByaI

[green wharf]

and this is versus a monk

imagine versus a warrior

https://tenor.com/view/kek-kekw-gif-19460731

[lavish quest]

Maybe meth was onto something with the BM hunter thing

[bright kraken]

Lmao

[worldly oriole]

I wish my hunter wasn't belf kinda lol

[elfin surge]

hey is warrior still bad

[lavish quest]

Yes

Turns out we're all hunters now

[elfin surge]

fuck

[rancid granite]

hunters 👎 it's time to embrace prot warrio

kennie will lead the way

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/adl-amideslobbies-antichasse-chasse-hunter-gif-23001846

Hunter movement, warriors still can't catch them

[green wharf]

somehow it got worse

[green anchor]

UITS JOEVER

• some Alpha Man

[lavish quest]

That's our pve lord and savior critcake

They named this emote after him

[wheat jay]

Weak psyche warriors vs mental fortitude giants survival hunters

[lavish quest]

Ranged class privilege vs melee class knee capping

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/redblockcustom-man-no-arms-indian-arms-no-arms-man-standing-gif-17755513251794797743

[bright kraken]

Dude do you know how stupid pack leader is atm

Best build for single target doesn't press bomb

Or presses it very minimally technically

[wheat jay]

Lol

[copper fox]

Is this the Hunter discord

[lavish quest]

Yes, welcome aboard

What do hunters call their stormforged? We need some of those

[wheat jay]

You can be kodo

[copper fox]

Pack leader

[lavish quest]

What would that mean?

Other than I'm a BEAST

[idle falcon]

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-thor-marvel-chris-hemsworth-gif-8889901

we only need to get rid of dumbstick now

[bright kraken]

my guy your 4 set only buffs bombs

you're tuned so poorly you dont use tier set in PVE

as PL

[lavish quest]

We ignore 4 set all the time as warriors

Welcome to the club

[green wharf]

dont care

bombs are dumb anyway

[bright kraken]

in pve?

[lavish quest]

Who knows

I don't dps in pve

That's for those void of self respect

[bright kraken]

hmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLzhlsEFcVQ

[lavish quest]

[wheat jay]

Its tauren mount

Big

[copper fox]

Imagine using 4 set as a warrior

[lavish quest]

Well I know that much

[lavish quest]

And I am massive

[wheat jay]

Fat?

[lavish quest]

No, not really

But tall

6'4

Like 193 or 195 your units

[bright kraken]

horizontally yeah

[lavish quest]

smadge

[lavish quest]

Alright, small Australian furry girl

[bright kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-beebo-robot-64-gif-7304016064550106436

[lavish quest]

They hatin on us thick boys

@elfin surge teach us your 140 lbs femboy ways

prayge

[elfin surge]

@lavish quest

[lavish quest]

smadge

Classic deflection

[tribal holly]

If you dont have a beerbelly can you be called a man

[lavish quest]

How heavy are you?

[elfin surge]

How bald are you?

[lavish quest]

Not at all

Peepo_Sunglasses

[elfin surge]

KAP

seen the hairline

[lavish quest]

Exactly

You've seen my lovely flowing locks

Blowing in the wind

https://tenor.com/view/answer-me-question-dean-winchester-supernatural-gif-14288459

[lavish quest]

This man gets it

Not only because when i work out my appetite flys up

[tribal holly]

Im working on getting it to be bit smaller tho

[lavish quest]

Same

I got into a consistent workout around the start of the holidays, and soooo I packed a good amount on

Now I'm getting back to a more minimal diet

[tribal holly]

Ive been walking everywhere but i had been boozing too much

Sober for a week now 🙏

[lavish quest]

Good man

[rancid granite]

good for you late

keep it up

[lavish quest]

I only socially drink, so it's been some time lol

[tribal holly]

Well yeah same

But

Finland and social drinking is

Bit different

[lavish quest]

I just went through the holidays, and I don't day no to treats or feasts 😂

[lavish quest]

Funny thing is, I'm not very social lmao

[tribal holly]

But now im gonna stay sober until i go on my vacation

Well sober as in without alcohol

Not gonna give up my weed

[lavish quest]

Doesn't EU vacation every other week?

susge

[tribal holly]

Im seasonal worker so i work 4~ months then i take 2 month vacation

Then back to the grind

[lavish quest]

Damn, my vacation is like 3 hours

Boys, I have had council with the PvE prot warriors

It's cooked over there too

Warrior as a whole, is done

GGs

[tribal holly]

Well i make enough money to take that vacation with just paying my bills and rent when my contract ends

I just need to book couple more things in advance and i have everything ready for it

Hotels flights etc

[lavish quest]

Hmm... I usually hoard my spare cash for investments

The real world is dark and full of terrors

[dusky parrot]

They buffed execute that’s good enough for me

[lavish quest]

From 22 dmg to 24 dmg

Sick

[grand scaffold]

dmg on fury is too crazy

[lavish quest]

Did they afk?

[bright kraken]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370140592855584789/1439271875820785756/attachment.gif

[grand scaffold]

spec just too fun

im gonna delete this build and just keep and copy and paste so nobody can copy it

hahahahahahaaha

[idle falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-tuff-phone-spider-man-homecoming-gif-7820462682564753496

[rancid granite]

that's AI

[grand scaffold]

you caught me

i used ai on details in shuffle

😂

i thought arms was crazy till i tested this out

[lavish quest]

meowwaitwhat

[grand scaffold]

what are pve people saying about fury

[sharp meteor]

Dps Warr is awful.

Need battle shout though and get tuned later

[dusky parrot]

Look at my name

[lavish quest]

So you should still be displeased

Look at my name

This is what it has come to

[bright kraken]

We should be displeased because?

[lavish quest]

No DAMAGE

[bright kraken]

Yeah sorry your execute schtick has been stolen by MM and Fire

Go home and cry about it

[grand scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/the-alpha-is-typing-sigma-beta-alpha-gif-15085961505239595360

ts not tuff 🥀

[bright kraken]

Yeah you're right it isn't tough why you posting alpha gifs

[dusky parrot]

I hate it, but I’ll accept it. Like how the entire wow community has dealt with shit for so long- did nothing about it and by that became complacent with blizzards stupid design choices

[grand scaffold]

energy starved outlaw is the craziest thing ive seen

[dusky parrot]

Man what? I just got mine to 80 and I’ll never have downtime with energy

[grand scaffold]

WHAT

send me your build

[dusky parrot]

I mean I play m+ with it

[grand scaffold]

my thistle teas run out ridiculously fast

[dusky parrot]

And you gotta have at least 35%+ haste

[grand scaffold]

well there you go

😂

pvp build from what ive seen is like 50% crit 50% haste

[dusky parrot]

When I mean never, I should’ve said rarely. Like yeah I’ll have moments where I’m waiting for energy but it’s not all the time

[lavish quest]

Why is a furry telling me to go home and cry?

[grand scaffold]

energy seems to run out very fast in pvp

[lavish quest]

Isn't that one of your things?

[grand scaffold]

i found it hilarious

😂

going home from wow to go and cry about a design change

hahaahahahahahahahahaha

[dusky parrot]

Fun fact, if you pay monthly for a game, you as a customer have a right to complain if a product is shit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grand scaffold]

facts

[bright kraken]

The fact you're putting more than a second of thought into this and not just outright ignoring me tells me this furry is important enough to you to warrant attention ^~^

[rancid granite]

isnt the whole thing revolving around adrenaline rush and if its out its gg.. i want to lik eoutlaw but its so wonky to play

[bright kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-foxplushy-vtuber-fox-anime-fox-vtuber-foxy-gif-25303103

[grand scaffold]

its super wonky

in shadowlands it was really fun to play imo

rn apm isnt high and energy running out

[lavish quest]

Well you see back in early DF days you were my favorite girl to troll

KEKW

[grand scaffold]

adrenaline rush is a short window too now its like 15 sec

[dusky parrot]

I like the roll the bones rework. It’s less rng and crazy but it’s more consistent

[grand scaffold]

i like the old roll the bones

[dusky parrot]

Plus pistol shot spamming will always be fun and badass

[grand scaffold]

you got that shark buff and it was crazy

the outlaw finisher was the worst change i saw

[dusky parrot]

Yeah that’s reduced energy costs? Or was it double combat point generation

[grand scaffold]

i dont remember haha

i think it was related to crit if im not wrong

[dusky parrot]

It was good when you had prized season, you got five buffs and pressed keep it rolling

[grand scaffold]

also assa is really wonky too now

used to be the only non warrior spec i enjoyed

super energy starved

[bright kraken]

Pvp idea for outlaw: anchor shot

Pistol Shot roots targets for 1 sec and reduces their movement speed by 90% for 3 seconds

[grand scaffold]

dots are negligible too

[bright kraken]

Not broken in the slightest

[dusky parrot]

Doesn’t pistol shot already slow?

[bright kraken]

Idk does it? Idk how rogue works

[dusky parrot]

Yeah I think it’s by 50%

Let me see

[sharp meteor]

Rogue is annoying enough.

[dusky parrot]

oh nah

its 30% for 6 secs

but you spam it all the time

[grand scaffold]

you know what would be really fun is a dot spec that rewards high melee uptime

like the dot version of fury warrior

[dusky parrot]

is that not assasination rogue?

[grand scaffold]

then the dot stacks just decrease over time

[grand scaffold]

nah that spec boring

low apm

doesnt need to be in someones face

[dusky parrot]

tbf i never played it

I only like outlaw

[grand scaffold]

i only like assa

well

i used to

outlaw was more of an idea i liked but its not something i like playing in practice

[sharp meteor]

assa run for the spread pressure aspect

outlaw is energy drink and adhd med spec

and apparnetly always has 500 bugs cos rogue friend always annoyed

[dusky parrot]

yeah I think outlaw is imo the best class fantasy archetype for rogue

[grand scaffold]

problem is in practice its clunky and boring

[dusky parrot]

really? never feels that way to me

[sharp meteor]

outlaw is weird cos its like yarr imma pirate but also howdy imma cowboy

sub is like shadow magic or something i figured ninja highwayman

assa being spread poisons and dots instead of single target as you'd expect an assassin to be

[grand scaffold]

ive never been a fan of it

[sharp meteor]

[grand scaffold]

its like trying to be a fury warrior

if fury had stackable dots that required high melee uptime

probably most fun spec in the game

[wheat jay]

Fun > meta

And if skill is there, rating will follow

[sharp meteor]

i mean u got plenty of time to test

should be familiar with all the talents

if u dont prob playin too many chars

[dusky parrot]

real, like what the fuck do you mean +15% movement speed on outlaw isnt meta? I want to run fast

[wheat jay]

Real

[lavish quest]

This is why you suck

[wheat jay]

I outrank you

[lavish quest]

No

[sharp meteor]

still suck tho

[wheat jay]

And most people here

[sharp meteor]

need to have basics down before u try to get creative

or dont idk

[wheat jay]

True

[sharp meteor]

everybody tryna be zercher

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[sharp meteor]

too much thinking

[dusky parrot]

whats your highest?

curious

[wheat jay]

Like 2500 or a bit below

Both 3s and shuff

[lavish quest]

I know you got glad, did you get any legends?

[dusky parrot]

arms?

[wheat jay]

Granted, I have never played till the end of season lmao

[wheat jay]

I would be but kargish plays warr in our comp

Survival

[hasty pulsar]

i cant believe they gonna nerf slam

meanwwhile bladestorm hits like a wet noodle

we down so bad

[elfin surge]

@lavish quest

[sharp meteor]

bladestorm is so bad u spec out of it in pve despite being slayer

[grand scaffold]

bladestorm is the biggest let down in wow

[sharp meteor]

it will get buffed

a lot

dw

[lavish quest]

What is wrong with you?

[hasty pulsar]

the problem is i dont play gnome and dbladestorm is like the only way i can get out of anything

[elfin surge]

HAHA

better ? @lavish quest

[wooden yarrow]

god just kiss already

[wheat jay]

It always gets buffed

Thats how life goes

[lavish quest]

hmmNod

[wheat jay]

Every season bs does nothing, gets buffed by like 70% before season starts

[sharp meteor]

well the thing is with storming for root break is generally u sac all the pressure u have

[lavish quest]

You know my name when my name is taken

[sharp meteor]

unless its insta and on them

or have bolt

[lavish quest]

We don't flirt like you prots

[grand scaffold]

the worst thing is that avatar doesnt break roots anymore

[sharp meteor]

spin to root break when it does their whole health bar is rough

[grand scaffold]

and neither does rally

[lavish quest]

Mud might flirt

[sharp meteor]

pashy prots...

[hasty pulsar]

yeah true not like I want to use bladestorm to get out of stuff

[sharp meteor]

ya feels awful

[elfin surge]

🤡 is typing...

[hasty pulsar]

i should just make a gnome already

[sharp meteor]

idk depends on ur interests

[hasty pulsar]

i refuse to give up on this class

[sharp meteor]

not bein gnome isnt rly gonna break most climbs

so if u hate the race dont do it

[hasty pulsar]

yeah true

[sharp meteor]

def helps at all ratings though

so eh

[lavish quest]

I'm the one who sheperds this flock

[wooden yarrow]

I got my 1800 in prot

[sharp meteor]

wooo

[hasty pulsar]

woot grats

[sharp meteor]

Man piercing and fear same slot on bars gonna mess with my head.

[solemn elm]

shit is so hot dog water

i mean just 0 possibility you don’t ever play that fear is just too insane i can’t ever imagine myself switching unless it’s for genuine nonsense

[sharp meteor]

ya feels very much like a pve vs pvp choice

oh well

[solemn elm]

p much

[dusky parrot]

forever love prot

[lavish quest]

I have bad news for you

[wheat jay]

Im gonna call hr

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-4243488579067419276

[wheat jay]

Leland wtf?

What is this uwu weeb shit?

Super earth was infiltrated by kennie and his brethren

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-13746396505480870613

[lavish quest]

LMFAO

Redacted

[urban skiff]

Me and wife were just yesterday talking about how much we miss this game

[lavish quest]

I should play it with Artji sometime

This last weekend my cousin lost his dad, so was kinda a wash sad times

[wheat jay]

Indeed we should

Never have time tho 🙁

[exotic forge]

Come back, we need help in Cyberstan

[wheat jay]

Picked up mom from hospital today

She's all good

Not a pirate leg yet, but we'll slowly get there

Gotta start with one toe

[urban skiff]

Man, my brain for a moment there thought she had just recovered from a death match vs Leland's cousin's dad

[wheat jay]

Jesus zercher xD

Well, she did win in fact

[lavish quest]

What's up with her?

[urban skiff]

goblins gobbled 'er toes

[wheat jay]

Diabtetes, and so on

[urban skiff]

Man I need to lay off D&D

[wheat jay]

Lost a toe

[urban skiff]

My uncle has been walking around on pure bone sticking out of his foot for 6 months now, because they can't get stars to align to amputate his leg.

Fuck the beetus

[wheat jay]

Oof

[urban skiff]

If it were me I'd ask for the foot back so I could make D&D dice out of my bones

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/life-grumpy-cat-diabeetus-gif-14658512

[urban skiff]

I'm happy your mom's ok though

[lavish quest]

From diabetes? Oof. Must have been pretty bad

[wheat jay]

Wound

Not treated

Vascular issues on top

Bad rng

[worldly oriole]

lol

thats fucked big brother

[lavish quest]

Sorry to hear

[wheat jay]

all good now

might end up being a positive

cuz she's got better hydration, due to IVs, drinks more water, eats better food, has better blood circulation meaning more oxygen to brain

she's mentally younger by 10-15 years lol

[lavish quest]

smile

Nice

[lavish quest]

Tony stays winning

[worldly oriole]

lol

[worldly oriole]

sheesh bruv ive done so much gaming

its only 1pm

[faint hemlock]

once you go gnome you can never go back

[hasty pulsar]

lol

sigh

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-huh-yikes-ew-disgusts-gif-16357969

[hasty pulsar]

lmao

[worldly oriole]

anyone play phantasy star online

xD

[exotic forge]

Now that's a name I haven't seen in a while

[rancid granite]

it's a boobie mmo lol

[lavish quest]

[exotic forge]

Black Desert Online be like

[elfin surge]

@lavish quest

[lavish quest]

1684pepepetpet

[elfin surge]

tbc pvp ssn starts tomorrow

[copper fox]

You best be streaming your 40 minute mirror games

(I’ll watch)

[lavish quest]

Sicc gameplay, waiting for rng proc of wep lmao

Is TBC dead yet?

[green anchor]

no

hunter & rogue players are thriving

[lavish quest]

It's okay, we might get 1 or 2 more @elfin surge streams #worth

[green anchor]

where he gets farmed by Payo

[solemn elm]

rip he’s not even tauren for mace spec

[wheat jay]

ewww

[solemn elm]

tbc not dying i think until tk comes out

but if not probably until like sunwell or late black temple

[wheat jay]

guys im down bad

i started missing afro 🙁

[lavish quest]

GAY

[copper fox]

Every classic dies after 1 season

[warm plinth]

tbc HYPE (I am level 10)

[nocturne plover]

wait what the fuck

[pearl heath]

[nocturne plover]

#protection demands emote rights

[solemn elm]

this one is a little different i think they’re releasing things a lot faster as opposed to each szn being like a solid 4 months or smth

but ya after 1 szn it usually dies

• nothing else to play

[modest shadow]

Funner than retail

[worldly oriole]

only squids dislike retail

[copper fox]

I don’t think it has to do with season length tbh but we shall see

[modest shadow]

I wear gear

[warm plinth]

it really is

[wheat jay]

to be fair if you wanna do pvp, you play retail

if you want chill and fun leveling, go tbc

[warm plinth]

my hunter on tbc is like 45, I fucked up and got rid of my pet and levelling ones gonna take forever

this game is not for the employed

feels weird that midnight is soon

[lavish quest]

Just tame a pet same lvl as you

[warm plinth]

then it has no tp

[modest shadow]

I mean, just at the moment cause pre patch is ass

But retail is better

[warm plinth]

overall yea

[modest shadow]

If Classic+ is at all curated for the community like they say it will be, I’ll probably never play retail again tho lol

[warm plinth]

yup

[modest shadow]

MMOs imo need to be built off of polling from now on

[warm plinth]

ehh

for a while the vast majority of people voting on osrs polls were super low total lvl accounts

[lavish quest]

Society isn't built for mmo's now

[wheat jay]

it is

that's why wow is still #1

that's why ppl try to find new mmorpgs all the time

its just not the same mmo like tbc or vanilla wow

more like dragonflight tww

or solo/coop content

with social elements

[lavish quest]

Because that's how society has shifted

Clueless

[wheat jay]

i guess

but they still want mmos

things evolve

but saying its not built for mmos anymore is just wrong

[warm plinth]

people having to work so much nowadays makes it hard to play slow mmos like classic

[wheat jay]

that too

ppl dont do 8hr shift then laze for 8h more to sleep 8h

[warm plinth]

I have 6 hours of free time a night on work days, 3 days played on my hunter and im lvl 45 xd

tbc is out and I havent hit 60 yet

[wheat jay]

they do 8hr work, then gym, other stuff, chilling, and so on

the 8hr of free time is more filled than before

[lavish quest]

Until you realize I'm right

[wheat jay]

you rarely are

more often that syeg tho

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-propaganda-joe-rogan-burn-the-boats-it's-a-lie-it's-not-true-gif-16677246451957138489

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/가짜뉴스-fake-news-트럼프-trump-president-gif-9005449299151490118

[lavish quest]

They hate me for I am right

[hasty pulsar]

can i level a dude in battlegrounds these days or wat

[lavish quest]

Technically

[green wharf]

Im always right though

yall just cant handle the truth

[violet fossil]

Kinda

Like i agree people want instant gratification

Battle pass and shit but companies are to blame as well

[lavish quest]

Not even that. Mmo take a lot of time from people; and a lot of social comingling. Thinks society doesn't have anymore lol

[jovial torrent]

all modern profit systems are anti mmo, they would probs have to sell raid tiers as dlc packs to make a new really good mmo now

[modest shadow]

Wow hasn’t been #1 in quite some time now

[wheat jay]

What is

Playerbase wise

[modest shadow]

osrs has boasted far more active players since 25

[wheat jay]

Okay, numbers, cuz we can estimate based on keys done by unique characters

[modest shadow]

FF14 beat it out in 23-24

[wheat jay]

And those we had like 10mil start of s3

[modest shadow]

Personally unsubbed the moment she said “I wish we didn’t put war in Warcraft” during midnight live stream lol

Was going to unsub till midnight anyway cause pre patch should be free, but w/e lol

[wheat jay]

Oh sorry, 4mil did at least one m+ key

[wheat jay]

Okay but thats you

Objectively wow is still superior to any other mmorpg numbers wise

Brother, thats m+, most players dont even do m+

And then theres 10 versions of classic xD

173million keys done

In s3

[warm plinth]

osrs has like 250k players, its small

[wheat jay]

It is, it has loyal playerbase, but its not huge

Ff14 is refugee camp for ex wow players

Gw2 is for retired casual wow players

Wow is just superior to any other mmorpg ever made

[warm plinth]

yup

[wheat jay]

Hell, there's 170k shuffle characters above 1800 xD

[jovial torrent]

problem is osrs numbers are pumped by bots and f2p even harder than wow's are, i do like osrs tho

[warm plinth]

I have 100k+ hours in runescape

[wheat jay]

Its like lost ark, it had like 50k players and 40k were bots

[jovial torrent]

ff14 needs to release a new game, their engine is dated and they cant modify it like blizz seems to be able to for theirs