pvp

[lavish quest]

Mounts are actually good next expac. I may have to bully people in here to queue

[wheat jay]

do it

lmao

[lavish quest]

Then be hard stuck 1700

It'll be great

[wheat jay]

nah

3s are unironically not hard once you know how to play pvp

like, you can just predict whats going to happen when youre not rusty

[lavish quest]

I know how to play M+ (shuffle)

[jolly rune]

guys how do you use focus targeting? give me some tips, i've been hardstuck 2150 for 3 days

[wheat jay]

that's dmg, good enough

[jolly rune]

i feel like i should focus stuff

[wheat jay]

you mean focus macros or who to focus down?

[jolly rune]

legit no idea

pretend i have 1 braincell

how focus stuff

[fickle forge]

There's such a big issue with having a 3rd that cannot speak brother

Like a gigantic issue

[jolly rune]

i mean like macros, targeting

using focus bar

[wheat jay]

set up focus

put [@focus] in your macro

skill with that goes on your focus target

done

[wheat jay]

well

kinda, ye

well, weigh your options, and let me know

cuz it is

vinav vs pugs i believe

[jolly rune]

do wars normally have everything on focus? like a focus charge, diarm, interrupt, bolt, fear, etc

or is this sweatier than i need to be

[wheat jay]

you generally want to have 123 macros

not focus

but focus is good enough lol

[fickle forge]

Focus is yikes

[wheat jay]

ye

[fickle forge]

Only focus button I have is storm bolt

[wheat jay]

123 is better, much better

but i also only play focus

[fickle forge]

And PuGs may lowkey be better

[wheat jay]

cuz i already had 54 binds on hunter, didnt want another 20

[wheat jay]

your choice

[jolly rune]

when we say 123 macros, pretend i have half a braincell now

what does that mean lmao

[wheat jay]

separate macro fo every enemy in arena

arena enemy1

arena enemy2

arena enemy3

[fickle forge]

./target arena1 etc.

[jolly rune]

oh true, i didn't know that was a thing

[wheat jay]

so 3 separate macros per ability

it is faster

[jolly rune]

is that like giga useful?

[wheat jay]

than focus macros

it is GIGA useful

its basically peak targetting in arena for your important abilities

[fickle forge]

It's your most reliable way to target people fast

[wheat jay]

peak skill

peak usability

then again, i dont use it

[jolly rune]

shit okay, ty

that's huge

[wheat jay]

like, you can 100% manage without it assuming you can swap targets fast and know whats going on around you

123 macros or fast fingers

[jolly rune]

i don't know man i need to clean everything up, clawing in the dark for SOMETHING to improve my zug

ima try this, big thanks

[solemn elm]

skunk use

control 123

shift 123

[jolly rune]

im one of those stank nasty razer naga players

i got shit everywhere lmao

[solemn elm]

i use ctrl 123 for intervene shift 123

i don’t use that i just suffer with 2 mouse buttons

[fickle forge]

#showtooltip Pummel
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [mod:shift, target=arena2] Pummel
/cast [mod:ctrl, target=arena3] Pummel
/cast [nomod, target=arena1] Pummel

[jolly rune]

don't meme on me but how important is intervene, i keep trying it but i don't use it

[fickle forge]

Important

Like one of your big 3 utilities

[solemn elm]

for pummel it’s sketchy just do bolt 123, make focus macro pummel instead

[fickle forge]

You definitely want 123 kick

[wheat jay]

focus on kick is ass

[fickle forge]

More than you want 123 bolt

[wheat jay]

lmao

like, legit ass xD

as in, ok you kick focus target

and main target

what about that mage next to you

[fickle forge]

You're gonna want to off-kick often

[wheat jay]

i do mouseover too, so ye

[lavish quest]

I only have like focus charge, focus bolt, focus fear and focus kick, and I almost never use the kick one

[solemn elm]

i don’t use kick 123 i just press tab and still land it instantly

[wheat jay]

i have a way around it, but its bad

[jolly rune]

i've whiffed so many mouseover bolts that i don't trust myself to use it

[wheat jay]

slower than 123

much slower

[solemn elm]

and if a healer is ontop of me i just press the focus kick macro

[jolly rune]

theere's so many bm and unholy in the meta right now

[lavish quest]

Yet flep doms u

Sadge

[fickle forge]

My ret was playing mouseover HoJ until he stunned a tree twice in a row

[solemn elm]

i instantaneously kick with tab kick

[fickle forge]

Then he rolled DK and gripped a fire ele 2 times in a row

[solemn elm]

if not that it’s pretty easy to just press S

which is focus kick

[fickle forge]

I mean no matter what argument you make, 123 is just superior, the only limitation you have is whether you got binds for it or not

[solemn elm]

but it’s just wat im used to

yea of course

i think that shit is op especially as like unholy dk

i just don’t use that naga i just figure it out

https://tenor.com/view/bored-cat-bored-cat-infinite-loop-gif-339971352044095639

[solemn elm]

mouse over bolt is not good for business

stormbolt 123 papa

and intervene 123 keep it simple for now

then you can make focus fear and stuff

usually landing the focus kick is half of the reason why i win, usually a priest casting penance and for some insane reason their team mate stacks them onto them

or just in general

i think having a fast keybind for kick is important too, my kick is middle mouse wheel

[fickle forge]

Delaying your kick in any way is just really bad

[solemn elm]

i’m like the gunslinger with kicks

[fickle forge]

Even if you're the fastest tab targeter in the west

[solemn elm]

LOL

[fickle forge]

An extra 50 ms can easily be the difference between getting faked or not

Precog dispenser services

[solemn elm]

the fastest precog gifter in the west

[jolly rune]

is this a pretty good arena focus starter kit

i've got target 123, bolt 123, and intervene my squad

lowkey is healer always gonna be 3 or something? is that something i can depend on?

or is it wild west

i've never looked at the panel in my life except for when to use commanding shout

i mean rallying cry lmao

[solemn elm]

3 is just to be able to use it as a keybind in the world if you want

they are always 1-2

depending on the order of the frames is the way that the macros work, if dps guy is above you hes number one other dps is number two

for intervene

so you want to make one party1 and another one party2

[jolly rune]

that's gonna be annoying if i can't brainlessly trust the buttons will be healer/partner every time

[solemn elm]

you’ll be okay cause itll have a nice red giant text on it and they’ll be out of range for it

and who’s closer to you that will need one you’ll be able to get it off just to get you started

if you’re getting aidsed aswell with a bunch of things you can use that as a gap closer aswell

[jolly rune]

true, big appreciated

[sharp meteor]

pummel 123 is crazy unless u only do arena

[solemn elm]

i feel like pummel 123 is depending on the person if they got the binds for it

[sharp meteor]

i rly think you need a lot of reps for it to be worth

[solemn elm]

type shit

i press tab and kick lol

[novel crater]

Just use framesort macros and 1 will always be ur other dps and 2 will always be ur healer

[novel crater]

Fuck that i only have regular kick on”S” and focus kick

No way im getting used to kick 123 when fighting SPlay LMAO

If the 2nd dps needs to be kick and SOMEHOW is dumb enough to be melee range from me (which wont happen 99.9999% of the time) just put him on focus

[jolly rune]

based santi can you give me this macro

that sounds like the holy grail

[novel crater]

Ehh they might be pinned

I think all my macros are

If they arent i’ll post them when i get home

[wheat jay]

Okay so

What changed in pvp?

[rancid granite]

based

[solemn elm]

so true

[rancid granite]

glad to see better players not go full nerd with arena 123 macros

[solemn elm]

this is what i wanted to say but im lazy

[sharp meteor]

cant track enemy cds yet otherwise nothing except ui is marginally shittier for no reason

[solemn elm]

i only have kick and focus kick

[sharp meteor]

gg ion it was a fun 2 weeks

[full raven]

Fury builds where

[wheat jay]

You can tho

[sharp meteor]

oh really okay so nothing then

[wheat jay]

Cant trakc when its back i guess

[sharp meteor]

ty ion

[rancid granite]

focus bolt/kick is fine

hover over with same button is doing me good tho

[sharp meteor]

now my combat text is borked and my details is worse

in an attempt tomake some bad players think they had a chance

[solemn elm]

hover over is sketchy

[wheat jay]

So with ui changes and addon pruning nothing changed for pvp

Legit

[solemn elm]

stunning some piss pet cause you hovered over it for a second is odd

just bolt 123

[sharp meteor]

(bolts imp)

[solemn elm]

keep it simple

[sharp meteor]

kennie did you just bolt his totem

[novel crater]

Nothing, yall thought my UI was done for Hahahaha jokes on u bitches i have all my WAs baaack

[rancid granite]

lmao yeah im not saying its best but i like it

[sharp meteor]

yeah what of it

it was a zoning bolt

[solemn elm]

stopped some damage atleast 😎

i asked a demo lock like how do you summon all those imps do they do damage too

[sharp meteor]

legit their dumbest idea in years

[rancid granite]

aiming for spears/hover over clicks is a skillcheck too

[sharp meteor]

that just made everythin a bit worse for no reason

[wheat jay]

Legit, literally nothing changed

I can still track everyrhing

[novel crater]

We working on them

[wheat jay]

I still have elvui and plater

Like wtf xD

[solemn elm]

i just want to see my team mates cooldowns

and the buffs next to the target frame

[novel crater]

Theres a shit ton of bugs rn so build are changing a bit

[solemn elm]

couldn’t care less about anything else

[wheat jay]

Teammates?

Only need trinket lol

[novel crater]

Like if u take long fear talent, motherfuckers can cast while feared…..

Small indie company

[solemn elm]

i have this mountain thane build i use that does some damage

CgEAmaXYRr39NNAQKu+E/lY36BAAAAAAgGDmZMzCzMzYMMzMzYmZeglZMzMjZZmZmBAAiZW2GYxyGTjZmhJDmhFAzsYsMAYmBYMwYA

[solemn elm]

really good bug :D

there’s a bug with reap the storm aswell

it’s supposed to be on one of our hero talent nodes and proc after execute but it just doesn’t exist

on beta u can see it

[faint kettle]

Why this thing doesnt not improve demo shout ?

[exotic forge]

Because screw you, that's why

[novel crater]

Prot is @sharp meteor area of expertise

Defer to him

[sharp meteor]

Because that's a prot only honor talent so kind of niche.

It really should though lmaoooo

The 100% radius on tremor is really nice and hope I can take that comfortably forever this expac

couldnt slot in the honor talent this time around

and tremoring healers so hard without it

[lavish quest]

Because prot isn't a real spec

[sharp meteor]

Yeah undertuned needs buffed

(unironically)

also prob still higher on prot than leland is on either dps

[solemn elm]

should be possible to take i don’t think you use spear as prot no and then also that d stance talent is really nice

[lavish quest]

Tank spec needs buffed (in pvp.)
This just isn't a sentiment that makes sense

[solemn elm]

to the left of it

[sharp meteor]

I think can ignore the stance thing unless blitzin

spear is fine/good on prot

[lavish quest]

Rude

[sharp meteor]

AM is ofc good

[faint kettle]

Prot is very fun in pvp though

[lavish quest]

I hit 2400 then dipped

[sharp meteor]

tis

[faint kettle]

you just dont die, very nice

[lavish quest]

Season 3 I had no desire to play

[sharp meteor]

dont like how execute doesnt knock the wind out of people anymore

but bein able to take more defensive stuff gonna be nice in blitz ig

[faint kettle]

Execute should kill, not deal damage though

[sharp meteor]

it dont tho

its like marginally better than a shield slam

so its like eh

maybe itll be fine at max

prot got some nice changes i think

can break slots with zerk now

and last stand with wall

prot so snug on fc maps because you wall and get full healed because it removes the ms

enemy fc gets their head blown off

[wheat jay]

Too many talents

How you gonna have an ability that nukes people and is usable below 35%, not even 20%

And is a proc

[sharp meteor]

ya wish it was restrictd to 20% again

[wheat jay]

And slayer procs it all the time too

[sharp meteor]

man prot slayer

would bang

[wheat jay]

Its slam with two more interactions at this point

[sharp meteor]

spec was actually so close to being good in early prized

then got a 20% nerf

almost felt like a real spec

[prime solar]

I would very much love to DPS throwing my shield around like a blunt object.

[lavish quest]

You just do it

Ez

[wheat jay]

Glad stance

Give it polearm+shield

[sharp meteor]

[wheat jay]

Give it grip, give it dragon charge, devastate

And so on

[lavish quest]

Fury can do that

Technically

[wheat jay]

Fury is gae

Mad gae

[lavish quest]

[solemn elm]

if gladiator stance still existed i’d actually play prot

[spice hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-kid-jumpscare-kid-heart-attack-gif-12535254628037896885

[wheat jay]

Same

Id be running next to kennie

He on his vulpera

Me on my panda

[solemn elm]

this is your favorite gif ever to use

and i love it

[spice hornet]

Lots of jumpscares in here

[green wharf]

hello frens and gaymers

are we theorycrafting?

[dusky parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-disappointed-disgusting-disgusted-looking-gif-6561690286467128067

[lavish quest]

Like the lack of theorycrafters or you having SF

[wheat jay]

Yes

We're discussing changes to pvp ui

Cuz as far as we know

Nothing changed

[lavish quest]

I still theorize that woyer is F tier

[green wharf]

you guys want my tips about ui

[lavish quest]

And by the power vested in me, by Late, that's the official theorycraft

[green wharf]

thats not a theory, its a fact though

[wheat jay]

Bro your ui already felt too many tips to look that fucked

[solemn elm]

LMAO

[dusky parrot]

blizz is afraid of an army of 300 hoplites and spartans

wont happen, that would mean people would have..f-- FUN in the game.

[spice hornet]

You know things are bad when you’re copying import strings from Syegfried

[dusky parrot]

LMAO

[lavish quest]

Ayo?

[lavish quest]

I'm often just right, yes, thank you for noticing.

[green wharf]

im a proud multiduelist with the worst spec in the game

i also got duelist with frost DB last season and it was shite

[solemn elm]

you’ll be elite this next season promise you that

[wheat jay]

What xD

[wheat jay]

Ret?

[green wharf]

ret i got 1.8k doing nothing

piss easy

[dusky parrot]

cant spell a certain ableist slur without Ret...

[faint hemlock]

alliance

ya really

gatekeeping 20 year old pixels is crazy work tbh

[robust hearth]

ok ill send to u after this wsg

[faint hemlock]

bet, eating dinner I'll keep checking my orders

[jolly rune]

yo is ret ranged now

half the time when i see them in wings i have to walk over to them because they're afk casting spells or some shit

[faint hemlock]

has been for awhile now

[jolly rune]

does that mean disarming them is actually not the play

[faint hemlock]

I pretty much only ran disarm for marks/frost/sub/warr

only time it ever felt impactful imo

[dusky parrot]

remember when disarm was a baseline ability in def stance

[solemn elm]

disarming ret is no bueno

[robust hearth]

remember when disarm lasted 18 seconds

@faint hemlock

[faint hemlock]

gnomealone-ner'zhul ?

[robust hearth]

u need blacksmithing

yes this is on nerzhul

[faint hemlock]

idk what to tell you

I've made it myself lol

[robust hearth]

idk how but apparently im o nthe wrongrealm

ok sent @faint hemlock

[faint hemlock]

good to go homie

[robust hearth]

tyvm

[faint hemlock]

WELCOME TO THE CLUB

[jolly rune]

what does this macro do?

[faint hemlock]

cancels a queue'd spell and just casts execute

[green wharf]

gnome

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[robust hearth]

now i just need gloves boots belt and wrist

[faint hemlock]

couldnt agree more, but i'd rather look disgusting as hell than deal with less mobility

[robust hearth]

[faint hemlock]

bogslayer belt actually looks fire with it

[robust hearth]

@green wharf

[green wharf]

too expensive for a bad set

[rancid granite]

🔥

[robust hearth]

you mean LEGENDARY set

[rancid granite]

plate is the hardest to mog

[faint hemlock]

farmed mine, sucked lmao

[green wharf]

i have more pixels in my sandals

on my current mog

[sharp meteor]

so back in the day (prior to mop) if you mashed spells you'd cast them faster

since mop spells have a queue window so if you're tapping abilities they'll be set to go off immediately after your global finishes

basically nerfed the effectiveness of spamming

cqs cancels this minor queue

good to have bound into important buttons

also check spell q window psure default is still 400 or something which can nerf your dmg

[robust hearth]

got another crafting order for u @faint hemlock

[faint hemlock]

aight

[robust hearth]

[faint hemlock]

good to go mayne

[robust hearth]

[dusky parrot]

"These aren't baseball caps, these are investments."

[jolly rune]

Ty, super good to know

[sharp meteor]

because if you ever, say, mortal strike then are mashing overpower then realize you need to storm bolt but the overpower goes off this could have sometimes been avoided with cqs in bolt

esp with 300-400 ms delay

[robust hearth]

[copper fox]

Imagine playing arms in 2026

Fury and prot > arms

[jolly rune]

sweeping strikes so sexy though

you clearly haven't read this before

[copper fox]

Won’t be enough

[scarlet sorrel]

I like how arms feels. Sucks that the feels dont do much damage

[jolly rune]

nvm i'm doing some testing rn and sweeping strikes doesn't proc off unhinged bladestorm MS

IMAGINE if it did

it would be freakstorm

but instead you're right, arms dead

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

[scarlet sorrel]

I am more so sad about amount of snare effects

[slow solstice]

unhinged cleaving off has been dead since season 1 tww prepatch

[jolly rune]

oof

[slow solstice]

you are a bit late to that

[scarlet sorrel]

And bladestorm do nearly no damage too

[jolly rune]

im learning war from the ground up rn

i just came out of the bushes

i have so much more to zug

[scarlet sorrel]

Its first time im considering maining not a warrior

[rancid granite]

it's pre-patch aka beta right now

don't mind the dmg tuning

[copper fox]

Look at the date. This remains the same. All the cowards will flee to other classes. The men will stay.

[scarlet sorrel]

Lol so true.

Just hate it if i have to play fury

[rancid granite]

don't have to

(though it turns out fury is cool too)

[jolly rune]

lowkey if i wanted to try fury in solos, is it better to make a new character

[copper fox]

No

[jolly rune]

or throw myself into 2150 solo queue with no exp

[copper fox]

2150 is starting mmr rn isn’t I

It

[rancid granite]

don't think about it just q and q again with whatever spec you like

[lavish quest]

And prot huh, you're a prot sympathizer?

[slow solstice]

isnt it near your bedtime unc

[copper fox]

It’s all better than arms

[slow solstice]

nope both are better than prot

tanking is aids!

[copper fox]

Oh in PvP you don’t tank

[sharp meteor]

Roughly.

[copper fox]

You bother people

Prot is really good at bothering people

[sharp meteor]

I should've been exactly 2100 the day the season ended.

So if it's still 20 a week outside seasons

[slow solstice]

i dont pvp

[copper fox]

Pretty sure you did

[slow solstice]

i pve mindlessly

if you think i had any clue how i won any of my rating

you are greatly mistaken

@lavish quest hi

[copper fox]

Btw Gio you wanna carry me to 3k next season

[rancid granite]

thats how i got 2400

[copper fox]

I forgot to do it this season

[slow solstice]

sure

[copper fox]

Got wrapped up in blitz

[slow solstice]

ideally we do it while im gearing up alts

so i can get crests

[copper fox]

Down

[rancid granite]

just dont forget to sell boosts with me this season

[copper fox]

Idc when

I’m poor as fk I gotta sell something so yea

[slow solstice]

selling keys is bis

[green wharf]

[copper fox]

I’m not good at them tho

[slow solstice]

play tank and dont die

legit impossible to not time

and dont pull big

[copper fox]

Yea but then I gotta learn routes and shii

[slow solstice]

not really

just press w

[robust hearth]

@faint hemlock 1 more crafting order for the road ❤️

[slow solstice]

[copper fox]

Ok fine maybe ill try hard m+ on a tank too then

Prot or brew

[robust hearth]

last 1 for now i promise ❤️

[slow solstice]

all you need to focus on is gathering and not dying

your damage is barely relevant

esp in 10/12s

man in 20s tank damage is barely relevant as well

man i miss keys

[robust hearth]

i dont

they boring

the reason fellowship flopped is the same reason i dont like keystones

[green wharf]

something that i hate in wow i dungeons

i join one and i need to sleep

imediately

[robust hearth]

reading old wowhead comments..

i wonder if any of these ppl from back then are still playing

or alive

[faint hemlock]

aight you good

[lavish quest]

Some of us got jobs kid

[lavish quest]

Hi

[lavish quest]

How?

[copper fox]

I’m actually assuming

Idk

[lavish quest]

They're easy

[slow solstice]

i dont think you understand the floor of people doing keys

[robust hearth]

ty ❤️

[slow solstice]

if you can do robot comparable dps

you are within the top probably 2%

[lavish quest]

I do the optional handmode every season (pugging)

[slow solstice]

leland can you tank keys for my title next season

[lavish quest]

And 3k is nothing

[lavish quest]

No

[robust hearth]

@lavish quest hi

[slow solstice]

^

[lavish quest]

Hi

mm_catWave

[robust hearth]

[green anchor]

❓

[exotic forge]

Lol

Lmao even

[urban skiff]

like the wowhead commenters specifically or just original players?

[robust hearth]

rogue DDH healer comp season

[robust hearth]

the commenter

[green anchor]

hehehehehe

[jovial torrent]

@wheat jay yeh id probs be down for that

pala might be like my 2nd char i level tho will see

but il do it early

[foggy verge]

Is prot viable to FC? In rated?

[urban skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1qujune/why_tracking_kicks_is_bad_for_the_game_from_a/

[bright kraken]

@urban skiff @jovial torrent can you tell what the vocal is saying

[jovial torrent]

let the flames rain?

[robust hearth]

ask @sharp meteor the r1 prot warrior

[jovial torrent]

@bright kraken also kind of sounds like ring

[bright kraken]

ty

you're the first to get it correct but looks like i need to tweak a lil

and/or figure out how to pronounce words 😭

[jovial torrent]

the backtrack is maybe a bit loud compared to the vocal

[bright kraken]

yeah, i gotta do some mixing

but thank you for your thoughts

[jovial torrent]

you eu? cant really tell what the accent is

[bright kraken]

i'm aussie 😭

[jovial torrent]

oh naur how awful ||couldnt resist ||

[bright kraken]

@jovial torrent this better? or still hard to tell

[jovial torrent]

much clearer than first imo, but i was able to tell what bane was saying in nolan batman so maybe i cant tell

[bright kraken]

i mean i kinda need other people to help because i'm going to recognise it even among everything else

[jovial torrent]

yeh no worries, just reminds me of how many lyrics i heard wrong for years till ppl corrected me

[slow solstice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lick-lickk-3

[urban skiff]

Yea, can hear it after reading what it was supposed to say

[bright kraken]

but not before

which tells me it isn't clear enough

[urban skiff]

Maybe if i heard it a few times

[urban skiff]

anyone have any idea how i could get this quest on one character and none of my other ones got it?

[eternal iron]

Anyone know how warriors are looking in pvp for midnight? I’m hearing we’re bottom of the barrel now

[urban skiff]

warrior has literally never in 21 years been below average

Worry less, slam more

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-markiplier-gif-7401091525873074200

[fossil mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/342766218358423564/1465799341511016508/TakeThisNim.gif?ex=6982fd44&is=6981abc4&hm=e9d82e953baf4d9733ff60eafb6157dca6f690c86242e9f1571a59d16d6f032a&

[sleek umbra]

where to find prepatch pvp talents/guide?

[robust hearth]

Its a quest they did back in BFA it only goes to one faction based upon how many of tht faction has warmode on

[robust hearth]

[urban skiff]

Ok, but I picked it up in dorn

[robust hearth]

Wowhead

[robust hearth]

Ya they very recently started bringing it back again

[sleek umbra]

was looking there and couldnt find pvp guides

[robust hearth]

Oh pvp

[urban skiff]

How much of a guide do you need?

[robust hearth]

Ya no1 bothers to make a guide for pre patch because everything isn't tuned correctly there's bugs and everything is unbalanced

[urban skiff]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/solo

just go do whatever murlok io says

[sleek umbra]

just current talents would be nice. no basic guide

[fossil mortar]

do we really need a guide for solo shuffle, when the strat is:
Charge them and hit the enemy till they die

[graceful moon]

hahahah wtf

[sleek umbra]

i was just curious if colossus or slayer is massively better than the other in bg/arena. just playing low lvl pvp, not high-end

and if i didnt see a talent/skill that is suddenly imba

[lavish quest]

Prepatch guide:

Wait for expansion release.

[green wharf]

that doesnt sound intuintive

[urban skiff]

@fickle forge pin this

[elfin surge]

thanks!

[lavish quest]

deadlyping

[wheat jay]

Can't leland pin himself?

@lavish quest you got power to do that or you a poser?

[lavish quest]

Yes I can do that. Zercher just wants Kargish

[urban skiff]

I just thought it woiuld be funny

[copper fox]

Not going to be able to drop guides until talents are finalized.
Barely playing prepatch so

[jolly rune]

God bless

Is warlock the class we counter hardest as war?

I feel like i have by far the highest winrate vs locks

And lowest vs demon hunters mages

[fickle forge]

Only if he corrects the spelling

[lavish quest]

FINE. happy?

[green wharf]

If you mean the only

[lavish quest]

Didn't you see? I just dropped the only guide they need.

[copper fox]

Thanks!

[fickle forge]

Solid guide, probably our best one

[lavish quest]

Why Mud made me yellow. I drop not the guides the people want, but the guides people need.

[fossil mortar]

https://media.tenor.com/fR5NEqOl3sIAAAAM/azumanga-daioh-azumanga.gif

[green wharf]

Man i love the foruns

got one of the pve only bros so mad that he start using alts to massflag me

he got so confused he commented with an alt saying it was not him and deleted

[jolly rune]

skinny leg energy

[green wharf]

prob mains a caster too

[graceful moon]

which class got the least amount of button pruning?

[green wharf]

prob warriors and dks

nothing change much

i think war got more butttons

[jolly rune]

blood dk feels virtually untouched, except bonestorm got baked into dancing rune which is a W

[green wharf]

i think frost dk is literally the same as TWW

[copper fox]

Fury warrior

Got the least pruning

[green wharf]

slam became rampage

so they got a prunning

Lost Thunderous roar and thats it

[lavish quest]

Mud got the least pruning

Homie didn't change at all

[green wharf]

didnt he wash up

[lavish quest]

Homie has been sparkling clean for a while now

[jolly rune]

guys i got framesort and this shit is giga, i can charge [@healer] and it just works

is there any other addon that's a must-have if i've been zugging blind this whole time

[lavish quest]

Addons just got nuked. So still figuring out the new landscape

[urban skiff]

If I had that pinned, I would UWU-fy it after a few days and wait to see if anyone caught on

[wheat jay]

Remove it all

Its so ass that its back

And basicslly nothing changed

Only gladiatorlossa is gone, and only noobs used it

Smh

[forest sinew]

yeah tracking enemy CDs is so cringe

[lavish quest]

The crusades haven't gone far enough

[urban skiff]

@green wharf why can't we just have a normal anchor as a weapon mog

[urban skiff]

OP getting laughed at in that post though

[wheat jay]

Ye i know

Tracking shit is regarded

[urban skiff]

Agreed

I unironically liked the post earlier that was satire about a bm hunter telling casters to juke with their faith

this chad just nuked a destro lock and then cooked a fire on his corpse to have a snacc in nightwear

[hazy tree]

Any specific stats I should be going for in pvp?

[urban skiff]

parry > crit

[green wharf]

chad
paladin

wow he must have played so well to kill a lock

😮‍💨

[urban skiff]

lock can just do more dam if he doesn't like dying in pvp he starts tbh

[exotic forge]

the nerf to Dark Pact makes Wrecking Throw kinda viable now

[urban skiff]

wrecking throwing being a fixed amount instead of scaling with ilvl somehow is a crime

[green wharf]

paladin in the open world/duels just obliterate them

isnt ven funny

[urban skiff]

I was going to stab the shit out of the warlock if he hadn't clapped first

fastest way to farm the last few kills? I tried ashran but people apparently don't die that often in there

same with AV and IOC

[sharp meteor]

Just do training grounds.

Realistically though you never grind honor or hks directly

Because it's overall inefficient

[urban skiff]

training grounds is barely 20 kill per go

[sharp meteor]

Could prob double my honor level in midnight if i mained bgs

[urban skiff]

I vaguely remember arenas not giving kills the same way

might just be mandela effect

[copper fox]

It should tbh

[urban skiff]

It's just been so slow, not sure what caused it to slow down that much

[hazy tree]

wouldn't ravager be better than bs so you can still dps during your cs window

[urban skiff]

Did bladestorm stop making you to all cc?

[dusky parrot]

"play the game how you want to as long as I get the final say and agree with it"

[green wharf]

funny isnt

we get shovels, candels, fish, brushes

you would think an anchor would be fine

[queen peak]

Blizzard made arms even more zug. Slam slam slam MS

[dusky parrot]

if only it actually did dmg

[grand scaffold]

make slam a cast that actually does big dmg

[queen peak]

I took all the slam talents and it’s my highest dps ability

I hate it

I can kill people, but I hate it

[jolly rune]

are there any framesort gigachads here?

is it possible to do /charge @enemyhealer AND target them in the same macro?

and is it possible to target champion's spear [@arena2] or does it only work with [@cursor]?

[worldly oriole]

Holy Shit Im Hitting Legs Right Now

[lavish quest]

Think spear can only @cursor, but @urban skiff had it going to a focus I think

[queen peak]

Unclear if lifting or race changed to gnome

[green wharf]

allegedly

but now we dont even use spear anyway

[dusky parrot]

went into a bg as death wish fury warrior

I had zerk, full burst, 5 stack death wish, I put it ALL on a solo hunter and it did jack

at a WHOPPING 50% of his hp

MEANWHILE, new dh pressed predators wake and kills half my team

PREPATCH BABYYYY

[urban skiff]

did you notice what defensives he used?

[dusky parrot]

what i could spot

only survival of the fittest

which is what 20%?

[sharp meteor]

thinkin bout early forged

just hop into enemy team with saltwater death wish zerk

odyns twice whole team evaporates

[jolly rune]

@urban skiff confirm or deny

I have it working with [@player] to drop it under me which is super cool, but @focus would be wild

[urban skiff]

it works but it'll upset you to know it

it's a truth of the universe

[jolly rune]

please i beg, im trying to up my zug

[urban skiff]

I haven't tested if it still works in prepatch or midnight

[jolly rune]

im in the trenches

i can test for you rn

[urban skiff]

nah

i'll make it work later

[thorn herald]

Why don't you try writing it out and seeing what happens

[jolly rune]

i'll admit i'm new to macros, framesort blew my mind yesterday

i tried [@focus] but it didn't work, i'm assuming the workaround is advanced if it exists

[solemn elm]

what you tryna make now homie

[rancid granite]

aim hacks

[solemn elm]

he probably will make aim hacks

[jovial torrent]

il log a sec and check, framesort is weird compared to /tar stuff

@skunk i just have framesort set to always have healers in slot 3 then have #FrameSort EnemyFrame3
/cast [@none] charge try add /target EF3 line to also make it target them

[worldly oriole]

lol im dusting my pc

[jovial torrent]

i need to do mine but its been raining every day here so dont really fancy taking pc outside

[worldly oriole]

yeah my mom said do on the porch or the bathroom

but not taking my machine near water lol

[jovial torrent]

i can literally see some dust blobs on the top of my gpu backplate

its not too bad but my pc is white so u see everything

[worldly oriole]

maybe this will fix my black screens doubt though lol

[jovial torrent]

blackscreens sounds like your psu is dieing

[worldly oriole]

dunno i upgraded the bios i think

and just dusted

but yeah i probably need a new computer

[jovial torrent]

i had blackscreens back during like bfa pre event or somthing when everyone was loading it woudl cause me to blackscreen

was annoying it took the pc repair ppl i went to forever to figure it out, why i built my own pc now

[slow brook]

rip

[vital quarry]

Ye we gotta need Jesus now

[worldly oriole]

its super joever for arms right now

[vital quarry]

Raging blow got nerfed with 20% aswell

[queen peak]

Unholy got buffed??

[slow brook]

happy I didnt preorder

[vital quarry]

Yap

[worldly oriole]

you not gaming midnight?

[slow brook]

maybe not sure

i do pretty much only play arms warr, all other classes feel bad for me

looking at the people on beta playing arms and laughing at the damage is kinda off pudding

xd

[worldly oriole]

i like pudding too

[queen peak]

I enjoy feral a lot too but arms is my #1

[slow brook]

might go back to league and high blood pressure, sheesh

[queen peak]

Guess I’ll start with feral in midnight and arms will be my alt

[slow brook]

sounds solid

[prime solar]

oof....yeah. don't even want to bother anymore.

[copper fox]

Warrior cooked, reroll

[prime solar]

our direct damage...bleeds....something is telling me this one might sting.

yep

[slow brook]

I dont get it, i was watching venruki plauying arms just before this dropped and he was legit laughing the whole time and then this giga nerf hits. Feels like blizz has no clue/care about pvp

at least we have housing boys

😄

[sand sundial]

its prepatch

[thorn herald]

It's pve tuning and they either messed up when they sent it or there's a part 2 later this week or next

It's on beta anyway so it doesn't affect live

[worldly oriole]

I just hope I get good lobbies in mitnight

[robust hearth]

sent you another work order @faint hemlock

season 1 will pop off

cuz every1 wants to get the illusion

and the illusion is now given to ppl tht get a rating of 1950

gladiator is now for lobbies at 2300+ rating

no longer 2400

[limber relic]

Fury and arms gutted

[robust hearth]

Midnight isnt the warrior expansion

[jovial torrent]

it would be funny if next hardcore run took so much attention off midnight that 2300 was harder than 2400 in tww

[sand sundial]

is another hardcore confirmed?

enough bruh

[limber relic]

If anything being bad start of expansion is better than strong start. Hopefully we get overtuned

[vapid tartan]

I think our biggest issue is the horrible placement of some talent nodes

atleast they can fix tuning throughout ssn

[jovial torrent]

im not sure if its 100% locked in but im pretty sure they wana do tbc hardcore

they were testing on beta to see how doable it was, i know they worry about ppl getting smoked in dungeons

[lavish quest]

War been in the oven forever. We're charred now

[dusky parrot]

THEYRE NERFING WARRIOR?

OH MY GOD LMAOOOO

THEY REALLY DONT PLAY THE GAME

[wheat jay]

Its beta

Not prepatch

[wheat jay]

You dont play it either

You're on prepatch, not on beta...

[dusky parrot]

ITS SO JOEVER STILL

[wheat jay]

Yo mama is joever

[dusky parrot]

im being dramatic for the bit

ITS SO OVER

PACK IT UP

WE'RE MOVING TO ASSES OF CREATION

[exotic forge]

Retail is Beta testing the game

I know this, you know this. Everybody knows this.

[wheat jay]

Or you know, the actual beta testing lmao

[simple rock]

Pretty much writing off the beginning of this xpac

Playing the beginning of a seas is still mostly pointless anyway

[dusky parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075152201355378691/1468383796020777124/attachment.gif

[exotic forge]

Lotta feedback gets ignored tho

Doesn't get addressed til it's live

[wheat jay]

Brother you play pvp

ALL of your feedback gets ignored

[dusky parrot]

im surprised Ion even mentions pvp anymore

[wheat jay]

Well

Prop hunt is new pvp

[solemn elm]

prop hunt will get better balance changes compared to pvp

and get them quicker

[dusky parrot]

I mean

with pvp changes, I know the team sweats bullets everytime they make a minute change

pvp is such a volatile community that there is backlash from EVERYTHING, even if it was objectively perfect it would still be up in arms

they're always gonna piss off a group of people

[faint hemlock]

turned into the plug rq, gimme a bit and I'll do it

[robust hearth]

take ur time i mgrinding on tbc classic

i almost have full set just need belt and bracers only

also its very hard to find sum1 tht can craft the metal

[faint hemlock]

ya I just leveled my BS up for dreadnaught to make myself cause im a cheap ass after I got cryptstalker for like 20k total lol

[robust hearth]

the rogue set is the next 1 i wanna work on

[faint hemlock]

bmah on dead realms then just get the last pieces through naxx farming or $$$

[pale crow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lol-fCt

[faint hemlock]

orders done tho

wait warrior caught nerfs again? lmaooo

[green wharf]

fuck they nerfed dreadnaught in half

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

how the fuck you nerf BLADESTORM

Of all the things

[grand scaffold]

now and forever 😄

[green wharf]

it was doing piss damage

like, i wasnt even getting as colossus and thane

[copper fox]

Bro

Are you

Blind

[green wharf]

yes

i saw so many nerfs i though it was nerfed too

[copper fox]

lol

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-bart-no-force-of-habit-marge-gif-9773839971414965074

like this moment

but MS and executed nerf, its joever

yep its joever, fury again it is

[pale crow]

What a fucking joke

[jovial torrent]

just finished watcing ven laugh at war dmg

[robust hearth]

warrior is DOA

[green wharf]

[ebon steeple]

Good old amber

[jovial torrent]

do you dare search varian

[lavish quest]

Wasn't warrior already underwhelming?

[dusky parrot]

VERY underwhelming

dmg was piss poor, but it made up for decent sustain, then they nerfed that too

so no dmg, no sustain, no bitches

pack it up we got a new role now though!

Warriors will now take place for training dummies in all major capital cities

[scarlet sorrel]

real man bladestorm on cooldown

fake men use two weapons, real men use one

do we play TBC before they buff warrior?

[exotic forge]

Deep Wounds nerf kinda weird tbh

[scarlet sorrel]

100%

[exotic forge]

I mean it ticks every second now

but it doesn't do ULTRA GIGA damage

[scarlet sorrel]

im not gonna lie, I did hate in BFA where most of our damage came from deep wounds but still

[grand scaffold]

didnt even do crazy dmg

[scarlet sorrel]

yea... like either make our hits chunk or stop 😭

[exotic forge]

it does something as Colo but even then, that's also getting nerfed

so overall, weird

[scarlet sorrel]

I dont understand why they nerfed it that way

[exotic forge]

because it was tied to mastery

[scarlet sorrel]

it was yes, and it was lame AF.. but it did damage

as long as you had uptime

[exotic forge]

unless I can stack a lot of mastery and do a lot of damage baseline, i'm not interested

[scarlet sorrel]

yea I agree

I want to hit abilities and see health bar go down

[exotic forge]

Rend doesn't do anything, DW won't do ANYTHING

You will have piss poor bleeds, you will own nothing, and you will ENJOY IT

[scarlet sorrel]

why does everyone take rend then in their build? or is it not worth?

I feel like I heard that one before somewhere

oh right my landlord

[exotic forge]

You're forced to take a talent point on the warrior tree

[scarlet sorrel]

I feel like I would rather take 5% move speed

oh! new idea

make warrior usain bolt

give us 15000% run speed

we will run circles around arena

what is a good DPS target that other classes do on a target dummy right now on prepatch over say 2-3 minutes?

[sharp meteor]

man

what kind of metric

even is that

[jolly rune]

the only metric that matters is being on top of the arena charts

i've never hit a training dummy in my LIFE

except to try a focus macro for spear which didn't work

[green wharf]

its even harder to mantain on the target

i dunno you guys

but DW duration is so low

sudden death procs are so rare, it doesnt keep the dot up for long

im sure in pve is fine but in pvp is not

Apparently thunderclap deals more damage than thunderblast now

[exotic forge]

I feel like it'd feel more significant if DW was tied not just to MS/Execute crits but also white swing crits

It used to be like that, and it'd further emphasize on the white swing dmg buff

[green anchor]

ye

[green wharf]

can we just forget about midnight changes

and turn back to tww

MS deep wounds was fine

[jolly rune]

guys do you ever have the worst match of your life where you shit the bed

and then TWO people start tearing into you

[ebon steeple]

Aye

Sometimes you fuck up

[jolly rune]

whatever the opposite of zug is that's what i did

[ebon steeple]

Oh you played passive and not aggro

[jolly rune]

i got clowned on in a match with mage/warlock/priest

uptime was maybe 10%

[ebon steeple]

In that lobby just kinda hit what you can Mainly priest/lock cuz chasing the mage in that is ass

[solemn elm]

not your fault that shit just happens

[green wharf]

Love when a fear glitches you somwhere

[robust hearth]

@urban skiff explain

[urban skiff]

The most cultured of squats

[robust hearth]

do blizzard GMs not exist in classic?

[urban skiff]

They did when I last played, hit the report button and cleanse the filth

He doesn't even know what a himbo is. He's an uncultured swine

[jovial torrent]

im pretty sure there arent any in mop classic

i dont even think it has the automated system, or maybe ppl just dont care to report

[green wharf]

apathy is so high people just let the psychos talk with the wind

[jovial torrent]

ngl i completely blank zone chat in raid and only see it during a few seconds between wipes or pull and its always unhinged or the chinese copy paste

[urban skiff]

@green wharf this mog man

what even is that grip

[green wharf]

what the fuck

you would think, it would work on elves

[urban skiff]

I suspect it doesn't work on anyone

Some hunter keeps trying to snipe us in twilight highlands camp

I let him get first kill free while i just turned to look at him and then after respawning i just keep deleting him when he shows up

[dusky parrot]

Dainty knife-ears only use bows like the underdeveloped swine they are

[urban skiff]

man I think i need a new mog for my kthuman shaman

[green anchor]

and warrior

[fallen estuary]

warrior just got shot dead lol

[green anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-lonely-rain-sad-gif-7792030237214898863

[jolly rune]

good, being shit makes victory that much sweeter

it's the hyperbolic timechamber, we train and lift and do squats while we wait for the real buffs

[lavish quest]

Nope, we're all UH DKs now.
It was Afro's dying wish afterall

[slow brook]

best race for uh dk?

[green anchor]

undead

[slow brook]

lets go

[lavish quest]

Idk, probably orc or something

[elfin surge]

guys is it over

[jolly rune]

This is gonna sound so stupid but like

Is there a trick to paying attention to when your healer is cc'd

[lavish quest]

Funny thing is, it never started.

[jolly rune]

I can never tell and i just eat shit with defensives up

[elfin surge]

fuck

@lavish quest can always play tbc bro

[lavish quest]

I'm playing expedition 33 and rivals atm

Lil rock and stoning as well

Nightrein too, when my boys are around

[elfin surge]

tbc kinda lit

the players are really really bad

[slow brook]

leveling is so slow tho holy shit, my warrior made it to level 12 before i had to move from darnassus to ironforge just to learn 2 hander

lol

[elfin surge]

I already had a 60 from anniversary

[slow brook]

aah nice

i cba leveling again

[elfin surge]

buy the boost

[lavish quest]

I don't want to be mean... but isn't swapping to classic to play against worse players, a go to sign of being washed?

[elfin surge]

kekw

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goat-washed-my-goat-is-washed-washed-goat-your-goat-is-washed-mfw-my-goat-is-washed-gif-11435157539877774481

[elfin surge]

yeah

[rancid granite]

based i been preaching the same thing

[slow brook]

isnt the boost like 60 eu?

thats a triple a game smh

[lavish quest]

Did you convert your girl to a classic player?

[lavish quest]

Well we murican round these parts

But yes it's a scam

[elfin surge]

no she hates tbc

[lavish quest]

Lmao, so just you and an uglybaldbaby against the world

After classic classic, my interest in classic fell off hard.

First tbc round I got to like lvl 65 andstopped

[elfin surge]

warrior with a healer that has no magic dispel in a world of rogue mages

[lavish quest]

You're really sellin it now

How about we nightrein?

[slow brook]

how about we roll mage and have 2/3 speccs a/s tier every expansion

[lavish quest]

Now you speaking pussy...

susge

[slow brook]

im sorry bro, rough times

[elfin surge]

id rather not be a weak peasant who needs magic to win fights

i use a 2 handed weapon to bash my enemy

[slow brook]

based

[lavish quest]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.5800152803.3587/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

[slow brook]

Im staying hopeful tho that warriors will receive a buff before midnight release and we can keep zuggin

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/déjàvu-drift-anime-initial-d-car-gif-17211916

[lavish quest]

@elfin surge Do you have to leave the house like this now?

[elfin surge]

HUH

wym

[vital quarry]

MiniCC

[lavish quest]

I think you know what I mean

[copper fox]

45 second roots

Pass

[elfin surge]

nope

[lavish quest]

Well.... with a gun was the meaning lmao

[elfin surge]

Is it because my state is a pvp server now?

[lavish quest]

Armor optional

[lavish quest]

Yes

[elfin surge]

[lavish quest]

I thought my server was bad

(Detroit)

[lavish quest]

KEKW

Oh how things come full circle

[cinder cipher]

heyo, anyone still got a good talent guide for arms warrior in the prepatch? wanna practice some and the difference between websites kinda throwing me off 🙁

[urban skiff]

use murlok.io

[cinder cipher]

tried, can't make heads or tails of the talent section, like how is a talent orange or purple while practically nobody takes the one above it! 😄

[urban skiff]

that's because it shows how many out of the top 50 players use a specific talent, if you go to top warriors instead you can see each of them individually by clicking them

[cinder cipher]

so colossus still over slayer huh?

[urban skiff]

Who knows

I only play SMF THANE and DAGGER

[green wharf]

having shit damage isnt even the problem

warrior mechanically is worse than in tww

[thorn herald]

Huh

What's ur logic there

[green wharf]

thats mechanically worse than tww

[thorn herald]

So there's no logic

Got it

[green wharf]

what logic do you mean

it feels worse to play now

[thorn herald]

How is warrior mechanically worse

What changes make it feel worse

[green wharf]

deep wounds change, slam focus, bloated talent tree