pvp

[wheat jay]

So before aoefication

Evoker is out of equation cuz its that new

[green wharf]

still they changed that cuz pve

theye ven said it in the blue post

[wheat jay]

Plenty of things are changed cuz of pve that have 0 or near 0 impact on pvp

[green wharf]

it took a lot of complaints to putt he pet back with a bugged talent

[wheat jay]

Warrior was not impacted at all

[green wharf]

it did in PVP cuz now pet is shit and if you use it you are griefing

and pet was nice

[wheat jay]

Well, i guess it was in a positive way

[wheat jay]

Pet is never nice in arena, are you dumb?

Pet is a fucking affix in arena

Have you ever tried to do move pet in arena so it doesnt get ring of frosted?

And it has entire second of delay on movement

No?

[green wharf]

of course it is, it can trigger other hunter traps, it keep people in combat, goes behind pillars preventing the healer from eating, in bg it was easier to defend nodes

it was good

[wheat jay]

Or keep pet away to not get it leg swept

[wheat jay]

Oh you mean good in pve blitz?

Sheesh

I thought we talked pvp

Cuz all the benefits of pets go out the window at higher mmr

High rating druids will clone pet to stop sac/freedom

Rogues will kidney pet and triple dr cheap shot you so you cant sac

Or pet wall

Oh nice i can stop druid from a drink, nope people stop pets at high rating

So your argument maybe works in pisslow mmr, into noobs, or in blitz lmao

Where high rated players will still tske care of the pet

[tribal holly]

[wheat jay]

Not to mention pet dying

[tribal holly]

Just kill the pets

Make them suffer

[wheat jay]

^

[tribal holly]

This was always the play vs pet classes

[wheat jay]

Oh right lets not forget that pet had a pvp talent that dispelled negative effects from it

And made mend pet heal 200% more

BUT IT SENT THE DISPEL EFFECT ON YOU

So into sp/affli you had constant random 30% hp bombs on you and constant fears from spriest dot dispels

[green wharf]

doesnt matter it was changed due to m+

[wheat jay]

Idiot

[spice hornet]

@slim saffron Given the increased popularity and participation in the #pvp channel, we are requesting PvP representation in the Theorycrafter role. A PvP theorycrafter is someone in-charge of determining the best stats, comps, and gear, and more for warrior in a PvP context. I nominate Mud.

[wheat jay]

Wtf are you going to even theorycraft?

You gonna do sims for arena?

[tribal holly]

Shut the fuck up i already told you why it doesnt work

You arent playing vs computer there is literally 0 point in having someone do math for optimal rotation

[wheat jay]

Pvp is literally feelcraft of top players

[tribal holly]

You have yellow names that are already doing it

[spice hornet]

it's not a Theorycrafter in the PvE sense which is all you know.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[wheat jay]

Bruh

Our theorycraft is literally murlok.io

[spice hornet]

Artji stfu you play hunter

[tribal holly]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-hurts-gif-12096381820083648834

[wheat jay]

You stfu you play gnome

[slim saffron]

no

[idle falcon]

buzzkill >:(

[spice hornet]

yep, pvpers always been 2nd class citizen in this discord

[tribal holly]

It is the way of the minigame

[idle falcon]

its litterally

world of WARcraft

WAR

fighting

pvp

[violet fossil]

Y do u need theorycraft

If everyone’s just gonna play what the top players are playing

In PvP

[idle falcon]

equal representation

[violet fossil]

Gay

[wheat jay]

Y'all ain't equal in playerbase tho

Its a minigame for tryhards that pretend theyre too good for pve

Spoiler, most ppl here suck in both

[green wharf]

but how the top players will know what is best if they dont theorycraft?

[wheat jay]

Rating will be proof enough

[violet fossil]

they already theorycraft

don’t have to run sims to “theorycraft”

[solemn elm]

idk about all this theory craft non sense i just play the game and use whatever is good

[green wharf]

what if they are using a bad build, but winning because they are good, and everyoen follow thinking is the best build, but the best build is forever buried?

[solemn elm]

and then just switch the free talent nodes that i can get

[violet fossil]

I will say there are gatekeepers maybe

[tribal holly]

Unlikely

As theres too much variance from game to game

[green wharf]

[robust hearth]

[wheat jay]

How would any sims or theorycrafts help there

[green wharf]

i dont think sims do, but theorcraft is like testing different talents and builds and see how they fare in the content is it not

[wheat jay]

Okay and if top player runs a bad build

Then it becomes the #1 build, right?

Even if its bad, hes higher than every other warr playing better build

Thus it has to be good, or viable

It proves itself to be good

[green wharf]

how would they know if the other warr is playing a better build

if everyone is copying the guy winning with the bad build

[wheat jay]

If he's winning with a bad build then its not a bad build

[green wharf]

do you think onebutton is good cause meth got elite with it

[wheat jay]

Is meth #1 with it?

[green wharf]

He is #1 to me

[wheat jay]

Then no

[tribal holly]

Or is meth just better than most?

[green wharf]

exactly my point

good people win even with bad builds

[tribal holly]

It doesnt mean the build is bad

[green wharf]

and if they keep winning, we may not even know whats the "best" build

[tribal holly]

Because pvp once again

Is not scripted content

[green wharf]

thats why people do 'theorycraft"

they test different builds in pvp as well

there is just no sims

[tribal holly]

Because you cant sim for the variance of pvp

[green wharf]

ye

[tribal holly]

Therefore you dont need theorycrafters

Because you can win with most cursed builds

If you are better

Pve is versus scripted content where players inputs can be simulated

In pvp you cant

[green wharf]

i dunno maybe i have a different meaning for theorycraft

to me is testing builds, not just simming stuff

[tribal holly]

Yes

[green wharf]

going in arenas/bgs in X build, seeing what it works and editing/tweaking

[tribal holly]

But for pve theorycrafters are mostly running theory

[green wharf]

to me that is theorycraft

[tribal holly]

Hence the name

[lavish quest]

Late as confirmed me as a Feelcrafter

I feel like woyer is F tier

That is all

[tribal holly]

Im 100% a feely crafter

I play whatever feels like the best way

[haughty jewel]

Me too

[lavish quest]

Confirmed me, I'm not accusing you lol

[haughty jewel]

Single minded fury

[copper fox]

Single brain celled fury*

[lavish quest]

Now meth's cookin

[spice hornet]

Wrong btw

[sharp meteor]

picking the talents i feel a spiritual connection to

[lavish quest]

I feel like warrior should be buffed, but blizzard never follows my feely crafting

[sharp meteor]

warr is funny its just a bm hunter pet

[spice hornet]

Exactly why we need pvp representation in the theorycrafter role

[sharp meteor]

so if its even reasonably tuned its op until 80th percentile mmr

[tribal holly]

You dont have a single argument for it

[tribal holly]

This is the way

[spice hornet]

Colossal task of trying to balance a class that curbstomps noobs but does very little into people with their monitor on

[spice hornet]

I do, but it’s akin to trying to talk to ants

Just beyond comprehension

[tribal holly]

Try me

Ants also communicate via vibrations so if you disturb them with high or low frequency sounds it changes what they do

[copper fox]

What exactly is the debate here? That there’s no “best” or “better” pvp builds? Or whatever?

[lavish quest]

Whether or not having theorycrafters for PvP makes sense or not

[spice hornet]

Yeah I guess pvpers spawn in the game and the builds are all known and nobody spends time researching or experimenting

[copper fox]

Builds and stats are relevant so doesn’t that automatically mean yes

Warried is fury warriors # 1 theorycrafter. Theres others

I’ve played off meta builds etc

And shared them

Blitz builds etc

[spice hornet]

Yep

[copper fox]

We spent all of s1 tww theorycrafting mastery vs haste

As fury

It was literally a season long experiment

Then every season stats increase we have to retest and experiment

[spice hornet]

Exactly lol

[green wharf]

its what im trying to say

the pvp theorycrafter will test a haste build x a mastery build in a pvp envirolment

or a build with X enchant, using odyn fury or bladestorm

[copper fox]

At the end of the season when conq uncaps I even have multiple sets for certain comps I’m against

[green wharf]

This is theorycraft to me

[copper fox]

It is

[thorn herald]

i feel like crit mastery will be the play in midnight with all the crit damage talents and mortal wounds

[green wharf]

for what, you mean arms?

[thorn herald]

yeah i dont touch fury

[green wharf]

dunno feels like with rage gen being so low

we first go for haste like always

[thorn herald]

rage gen is better on beta

[green wharf]

[thorn herald]

battlelord reduces ms rage by 10 when it procs

[copper fox]

They have to change the way crit works in PvP for it to be meta imo

[thorn herald]

p much fixes all the issues

nah

we get like 25-30% free crit damage

[sharp meteor]

stat thats nerfed by HALF

[thorn herald]

and crits give u more rage

[solemn elm]

crit damage needs to not be nerfed in pvp

to be able to play it

[copper fox]

So you waste stat space

On extra crit

[solemn elm]

^^

[copper fox]

Instead of taking the 100% effective

lol

[solemn elm]

crit has been worthless since they made crit damage nerfed in df

[copper fox]

Nothing will change that unless it’s changed.
Laros tried to say the same thing for arms s1 tww

Went back on it week 2

[solemn elm]

like 2 classes play that stat probably not going to change any time soon

[green wharf]

the only dude that goes crit is @boreal veldt

[thorn herald]

i play crit

it works for me

[solemn elm]

nothing really ever gonna change for fury just vers mastery more mastery = more damage more damage = guy die faster

and haste for arms attack guy faster swing sword faster

[copper fox]

I mean

[solemn elm]

atleast at the start

[copper fox]

It’s not close to optimal

That’s all

[green wharf]

[solemn elm]

last season i felt liek i could do whatever i wanted with haste

[copper fox]

Any stat works for anyone up to a certain point

[solemn elm]

^^^

don’t need to keep it complex either play whatever works and whatever number one guy is using to succeed or if you fight someone better just use what they are using

half of the time i don’t even pay attention i just equip the gear that flokko got or something

[thorn herald]

working on retail, working on beta so far

[copper fox]

I try to keep my knowledge submissions in this channel to optimal.
Anyone can play anything

[hot solstice]

they could simply return one old talent that gave ms 25% extra crit chance after charge

[copper fox]

What does working mean

Are you gapping rend or Warried on beta?

If not, it’s not “working” you’re just playing it

We can’t spread false optimal in here for newer players

[solemn elm]

i wish, even the talent where you do like 50% more with ms after bladestorm is nerfed up the ass

[thorn herald]

idk what they name themselves on beta but not many people play arms

[hot solstice]

ye executioner is nerfed by like 70% still

[thorn herald]

but i keep up on damage despite arms weak output due to tuning

[green wharf]

this is imo one of the problems to new players, how do we know the pvp modifiers?

just by joining and p´laying you may never know X skill is nerfed by 50% in pvp or another buffed 150%

[solemn elm]

you just guess 😎

[hot solstice]

Honestly warrior doesn’t feel that bad in terms of damage if they nerf those outstanding unholy and devourer

[solemn elm]

or someone else tells ya

[copper fox]

I think warrior will be fine, we will get a tweak or 2 before it drops

Imo

I need slayer to feel a little better for fury

[hot solstice]

Can’t understand 2 min parry though

[copper fox]

They don’t want us to be tanky

Ever

Which is crazy

Since we waddle all game

Face tanking dmg

[thorn herald]

its all just tuning

[hot solstice]

Just prepare ur ui bois. It’s the main concern I guess

[copper fox]

Yea fr

[lucid walrus]

how long has IP been on global for?

[thorn herald]

since midnight

[lucid walrus]

thought it felt different

[thorn herald]

they upped the absorb and increased the cd but removed the rage cost

its kind of nice into the set up comps because you can just hit as they open into you

[lucid walrus]

can’t say i mind that

[thorn herald]

the only thing that really bugs me about the changes is DBTS being a near 2 min cd

[lucid walrus]

i do miss being able to use it to pump anger management in SL but this is probably healthier

[lucid walrus]

wonder if they know rally is hardly a defensive

[copper fox]

Since tww*

[sharp meteor]

[solemn elm]

rally little bit better now but it’s still meh

[sharp meteor]

rally still isnt doubled in pvp

because blizz devs have blue hair

[copper fox]

Lmfao

[solemn elm]

oh

class barely works right now

[copper fox]

It’s actually funny how many times IP has been changed

They don’t know what to do with the ability

On or off

Gcd

[green wharf]

doesnt remove slows anymore

[solemn elm]

i’ll miss it when it was with anger management

but i also miss it on fury in shadowlands

[copper fox]

Should be off gcd straight up

[solemn elm]

was fantastic there

yea

[modest shadow]

When ip was apart of the rotation in DF

That was the worst shit I’ve ever felt playing warr

[copper fox]

Pressing IP right now is literally worthless

[thorn herald]

fearless should be a root break so its an actual choice with tremor

[solemn elm]

wattt i loved that for pvp, but for pve yea no thats garbage

ignore pain part of the rotation in pve

fug dat

[lucid walrus]

avatar is just +5% speed instead of removing snares now right?

[solemn elm]

yes

:)

[lucid walrus]

gruesome

[solemn elm]

better make a gnome homie

[green wharf]

it doesnt remove snares anymore

[thorn herald]

think its just -5% aoe damage reduction

[solemn elm]

bruh wat no

shit is 20% dam and 5% movement speed

[thorn herald]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

its also nerfed to 15% in pvp

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[solemn elm]

cool

[green wharf]

My suggestion was making like wake of ashes

you colossus smash and activate avatar

[solemn elm]

that’s just ffxiv pvp

[thorn herald]

just replace it with torments

[green wharf]

when colossus smash effect ends

avatar ends as well

[thorn herald]

col smash gives u mini reck or the weird cleave buffs for aoe

[solemn elm]

the ability’s combo into each other like that it’s very goofy but i guess it’s not a bad idea

[thorn herald]

its so EASY BLIZZARD

[solemn elm]

in shitty ffxiv you just press like one button and it has the whole string in one button

[green wharf]

when you activate reckless you gain avatar effects for fury
when you use colossus smash you gain avatar effects for arms

[novel crater]

That will legit just take the skill out of it, same as they did with sharpen

[thorn herald]

i dont want avatar

[solemn elm]

basically lol

[thorn herald]

its so mid

[green wharf]

i dont disagree with you

[thorn herald]

reck is better

[green wharf]

but its how they going witht he skill simplification

Either combine two skills or make one skill turn into another with a short time

imo it would work cause you mostly macro them together

[thorn herald]

avatar is off the global

what skill is there in using it

[green wharf]

people dont macro reckless+ avatar?

[thorn herald]

when it broke roots i didnt

[copper fox]

If you saved it to break roots you killed your overall dmg so much that you win less

Without a doubt

[solemn elm]

no reason to just not press it almost immediately to get another after

[solemn elm]

https://tenor.com/view/chis-marie-i-do-that-gif-13535628

but i have a separate keybind for recklessness aswell

[green wharf]

YEAh, cause they had different cds

[solemn elm]

yee

[green wharf]

now they synch perfect

[copper fox]

Same, most of the time I used the macro one though because why wouldn’t I want 9 minutes of root free cd

[green wharf]

1,5m and both on AM

[solemn elm]

i mean what warrior doesn’t do that shit

lmao

part of being warrior is having the swifty one shot macro

with all the toys and shit

[green wharf]

thats what i was saying to combine the two skills already like wake of ashes

[solemn elm]

i cannot stand those people that use the 50 toys but i use the little fire eaters phial

cool toy

[green wharf]

very rare you use then separated

[copper fox]

In 3s against certain comps

I use them separately

[solemn elm]

last season your recklessness and bladestorm were given cdr with anger management

and it was better to use seperatley

^ what he said

[green wharf]

look we theorycrafting

[solemn elm]

usually what i would do in the first literal 30 seconds of the game is just onslaught bolt and bladestorm and reck at the same time

[green wharf]

[solemn elm]

so you get your cdr going

but obviously depends what you fighting if it’s like sub rogue or some shit gotta bladestorm

would bladestorm assa so you can disarm and stop them from garroting your friends 85 times

[copper fox]

Storm the sap on heals immediately

[solemn elm]

yep

[copper fox]

A lot of warriors too worried about saving storm for dmg

[solemn elm]

didn’t really mind the design for slayer last szn was just chill and destroy your target

[copper fox]

It’s better utility early game

[green wharf]

what about collossus smash activating Avatar for the duration?

[solemn elm]

bro i use that shit immediately, or if i want to bladestorm coil

or something

well in df it was like that with that one talent warlords torment, i loved it

colossus smash giving you recklessness

that was great

but the other one was a lot better but the shitty thing was not being able to cancel bladestorm

it was so stupid

[spice hornet]

@tribal holly

[jolly rune]

what do you do when your arena partner is getting giga trained

is this a viable option or is it a trap

[thorn herald]

Yeah just tell your healer your using it so they know you're going to spike

[solemn elm]

not a trap just use it

if you want to bulwark your friend use that

use fear defensively

get crisp double fears

[jolly rune]

ty

[bright kraken]

why couldn't we get this but void corrupted for S1 tabard

they changed the bat... surely if we complain enough...

[solemn elm]

cause legion was the last time that they actually made good tabards

now you get a crappy one instead

[pallid comet]

is the pvp season over but nothing else related to the saeosn is?

[thorn herald]

Crimson tabard was good

The black one from df was good too

[solemn elm]

nothing compared to dominant, demonic, fearless, ones and those have another coloration aswell on different factions as opposed to just one thing

[bright kraken]

whereas we get these things next season :vomit:

[solemn elm]

oh hey it has 2 faction colorations for once after a while of not having them

and it still looks like ass

[bright kraken]

i mean like

fits with end boss of this tier

[idle falcon]

@urban skiff u awake

[urban skiff]

sup buddy

I'm always awake

[idle falcon]

wanna pvp :D

[urban skiff]

get like 4 hours of sleep a night

can't, got kids i have to take to school and stuff. Won't be free to do anything I can't walk away from for a while now

[idle falcon]

alright

W dad

xd

[solemn elm]

LOL you just made this in like 20 seconds

i love it

[idle falcon]

when will u teach them the ways of WoW @urban skiff

[urban skiff]

guessing galactic is the title we get next season

Galactic Warlord has a nice ring to it

[urban skiff]

Big one already plays a bit, little one is just feral.

If big one says "I have teeth in my mouth" you think "nice, you're a smart kid."

If the little one says the same, you think "ok WHOSE TEETH?"

[idle falcon]

my sister has 4 kids

i am an uncle

xd

[green wharf]

Galactic sounds terrible in portuguese due to the innuendos

[bright kraken]

Gelatinous warlord

[urban skiff]

My Portuguese is a bit rusty, what are the innuendos?

[urban skiff]

what words do you use to speak about galaxies then? Or things that are galactic?

[idle falcon]

there are none

portuguese people haven't advanced that far

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

how in the fuck is it taking 40 minutes to get into IoC

[lavish quest]

Because you're specific queuing IoC lmao

[dim thunder]

Not sure which is worse: IoC, WG, or AV. WG is basically decided at the first team fight, IoC is either get hanger and win or turtle and waste everyone’s time, and AV is just zerging usually decided by whichever side got the premade. At least Ashran is serviceable and can actually create fun fights.

Epic BGs are so awful these days.

[lavish quest]

Out of all the epics, IoC is probably blacklisted the most. If I had to guess

[idle falcon]

pvp? 👀

[urban skiff]

sure

given up on IOC

[idle falcon]

xd

[urban skiff]

I just want my last achievement

[idle falcon]

ok im on survival

ready to blast

[solemn elm]

isle of conquest?

holy crap

making me feel old

[urban skiff]

how do we do this? I wake up wife?

[idle falcon]

whatever u want

we can find a rando heal too

[urban skiff]

let's try that, sv + sub + rando dando healo

toss me an inv, retalihate- tarren mill

[idle falcon]

target is unfriendly

xd

sent u my Bnet ID @urban skiff

in dm

[urban skiff]

check this decor

[green anchor]

horrible

2 unicorns is bad luck for life

[urban skiff]

weird people playing 2s right now

not sure what addon is putting class and spec icon on my arena frames when the test also says what they are

whee

[green wharf]

how you gainning rank

[urban skiff]

You can just keep playing if you want

[urban skiff]

lmao what

[urban skiff]

man imagine wasting time with a mind control and then not doing anything to end it

[lavish quest]

Shoulda been there 15 years ago Timmy

[rancid granite]

the new second wind is totally getting nerfed

[jolly rune]

what's the reason arms doesn't build crit? Is it just for consistency or is crit dumpy in a way that's not immediately intuitive?

[lavish quest]

Cuz crit is shit

🙂

(Crit is nerfed by 50% in pvp)

[obsidian oar]

Are you able to tell that in-game somehow? It seems really not obvious how the game modes change stats and talents.

[sterile moth]

I don’t think you can. Even the pvp dummies don’t properly apply all the changes so you really have to dig into it to find out

[urban skiff]

Looks like we getting the ability to filter big defensives and cc soon

[jolly rune]

when they say aura filter api does this mean it's not baked into anything in the default ui

[lavish quest]

Nope

Just gotta be in the know

[urban skiff]

It means they give your addons the ability to say "handle all spells with this flag in this way, and all the spells without this flag another way"

For example by having larger big defensives on your party frames or by having CC show in a different spot on a nameplate

it's good news, basically blizzard is officially supporting some of the things addon creators can currently do

And before anyone chimes in with "blizzard realizing they made an error", it was never about removing addons, just controlling how much we can do with them to automate gameplay

They put up a thick wall, now they're carving out holes to let us see things through the wall they deep appropriate for the game experience they decided for us

[sterile moth]

Well said sir

[rancid granite]

they should just hire these people and make it official

[urban skiff]

And the massive reddit discussion about how we have no idea if people kick or not is missing the point.

Maybe some classes are supposed to have more visually muted kicks or offensives to be able to better fly under the radar?

It makes sense a sub rogue kicks and uses offensives in a way that is hard to tell for an enemy without eyeballs

where a DK is more flashy and less SUBTLE

[sharp meteor]

?

zercher u think too much

[urban skiff]

you think too little

[rancid granite]

i appreciate zercher's big brain it brings a nice balance here

[sharp meteor]

https://i.imgur.com/vp7lqvu.jpeg

zercher posting 1000k words in a week just to go negi at 1800 for the 5th season in a row

[green anchor]

Zercher is full on that immersion

cinematic gameplay

[sharp meteor]

i remember talking with a bg premader and they'd ramble about their strats and tech and coordination and none of it mattered

cos theyre in a premade so auto 90%+ winrate

[green anchor]

39 people on a leash

pretending to be Arthas commanding the scourge

go my minions

[urban skiff]

I almost broke through 1500

[sharp meteor]

man there is nothin for a month

[urban skiff]

1482 last season

[sharp meteor]

i need that elite set post season tech

[urban skiff]

I'm just wrapping up achievements tbh

[urban skiff]

can prot do anything cool?

[sharp meteor]

u make guy marginally tankier to physical

[urban skiff]

Only prot I saw was a prot pal in 3s and

[sharp meteor]

also just very fun in bgs imo

prot pala is very good or was

like more than good enough for glad push 3s

with like bm disc

[urban skiff]

just 6½ minutes of chasing people around

[spice hornet]

once Zercher learns to turn his brain off and W key and somewhat trade favorably he’s goin straight to glad

[urban skiff]

is there a bursty prot war build atm?

[urban skiff]

bro wtf

W is for whirlwind

everybody knows that

hang on

SEE?

[sharp meteor]

idk im not wastin time pvpin rn

[spice hornet]

Yeah I haven’t logged in at all

[urban skiff]

I tried m+ but it felt very easy in a weird way

[spice hornet]

Waitin til like a week before launch

Once most changes are done

[sharp meteor]

now is like the dont play period the game is slegit so terrible

ya

[urban skiff]

A +4 felt like heroic used to feel, just stand in fire and nothing happens

[sharp meteor]

only people pvpin rn are the same people who 100%'d remix

aka the worst players imaginable playin whatever tier list nonsense

in prepatch

[urban skiff]

I'm just using the prepatch to dial in my UI and to satisfy my craving to press stormstrike

People who take anything in prepatch seriously have something wrong with their heads

but I never take anything serious so I'm safe

[rancid granite]

he's hyped and joyful doing it though lmao

[rancid granite]

you ever role prot in 2s? had a guardian druid 1v2 me and a mage earlier today effortlessly

[sharp meteor]

uh a few games when mw was good ya felt fine cos we'd just queue into other mws and phys dps

other than that rly bad imo

good in bgs wpvp casual pvp

not the worst in shuff

might honestly be okay in some niche 2s things cos it cant die into a lot of stuff

blood used to be sick because my rdruid would legit play prowl 90% of the game lmao

so id 1v2 a hunter and rdruid for 5 mins

or arms mw

[urban skiff]

I've done it but only in skirmish against people who probably think using the mouse and keyboard at the same time is cheating

[sharp meteor]

those were some TILTED whispers

[urban skiff]

bet they were stressed up to their eyeballs about your rdruid suddenly popping out to rake clone at a critical moment

[sharp meteor]

i mean thats what he'd do

pop in rake clone do some dmg

get swapped to

they cant stick

i think those were some of his fav games cos

we'd demolish every rogue or hunter or warrior team

which was 95% of teams

warr esp cos id grip their mobility and perma chains

[urban skiff]

I still remember how ridiculous arenas were when they first came out

Just mana drain and everyone drinking all the time and only a handful of classes being permitted to play but the top rank in 2s was all resto druids + either rogue or warlock or hunter or warrior(?)

[idle falcon]

@urban skiff wanna run some pvp

[urban skiff]

Can't, about to be kids bedtime

first one at least

[rancid granite]

prot is definitely a lot of fun for wpvp i knowthat much

[idle falcon]

@urban skiff in 1 hour then?

[urban skiff]

lol

my kids are feral

[idle falcon]

xD

[lavish quest]

THEN HOW DO YOU W KEY?

[green wharf]

i remember watching some arenas of wrath/mop/cata

[lavish quest]

Rookies, smh

[green wharf]

people tanding still

[urban skiff]

I use S for "straight forward"

[green wharf]

backpedalling

next lv skills

[urban skiff]

A for Ass side and D for dick side

[lavish quest]

Funny enough, S is my whirlwind button lol

[urban skiff]

My "G" is to make pet Go Away

I feel like you guys don't realize how clever i am when I make keybinds easy to remember

I almost never look at my keys anymore

Boomstick is such a weird move..

[wheat jay]

S is for slam

[urban skiff]

X is Xhilaration

[lavish quest]

Slam is B, for Bless

[rancid granite]

wish we could mog sword/shield as arms warrior

[wheat jay]

ye

[urban skiff]

2h + shield will never not look cool.

I still wish we could have a Invisible Weapon transmog that enables unarmed attack animations. Like worgen

[warm plinth]

theyre putting prop hunt in wow, midnight is saved

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

i ssomeone dumb enough to confuse meaning of cutting edge with wow CE?

[urban skiff]

lmao

[wheat jay]

sheesh

[bright kraken]

am i the only one that finds this funny

my sense of humour is broken ig

[wheat jay]

also @fickle forge no shot you like proto drakes, like legit

no shot

its so ass xD

[bright kraken]

i like protos

lowkey this colour tho is like

im mixed

the white parts are so bright

the bat lowkey looks better

[green wharf]

if i understood i could find it funny

[bright kraken]

cutting edge is the achievement from kill last boss of mythic raid before next season

i.e, mythic version of AOTC

[green wharf]

ok...

[wheat jay]

ye we do know that

its just

not funny

xD

[green wharf]

no, let her cook

whats next

[bright kraken]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370140592855584789/1439271875820785756/attachment.gif

[wheat jay]

ohh apparently there's already addons that track cds

blizz will probably nuke those

[bright kraken]

o.o

[fickle forge]

You have the right to be wrong

Protos are superior

[wheat jay]

nah

wack as hell bro

impossibly bad

[fickle forge]

I've seen your tmogs

You've got 0 to say when it comes to aesthetics

[wheat jay]

?

nah bro youre smoking crack

[fickle forge]

0 I tell ya

[wheat jay]

tell me one bad mog i made

[urban skiff]

No, they're supporting them officially via filters next API

[wheat jay]

lmao

[fickle forge]

80% of them

[wheat jay]

ok so 0 changes in pvp

[fickle forge]

And then you hit a gold mog

[wheat jay]

too much

thats definitely too much

[green wharf]

Rare Kargish W

[urban skiff]

I feel like i covered that too

[green wharf]

protodrakes are dope as hell

[urban skiff]

Protoss are just draenei, change my mind

[wheat jay]

female good male bad?

[green wharf]

my biggest regret in wow is not getting the black and plagued protodrake from wrath

when i came in they already replaced them with the iron ones from ulduar

[urban skiff]

protoss have genders?

[wheat jay]

no draenei do

[green wharf]

they do

[wheat jay]

protoss do actually

ye

remember df?

[bright kraken]

hmm

i feel like you can tier tanks still

like blood dk is easily B tier at least

it's fucking criminally good for capture the flag or eye of the storm

[urban skiff]

but will it be in midnight

[worldly oriole]

Flarkness Is My Favorite Warcraft Influencer

[green wharf]

In-Game surveys are coming to collect more player feedback

[jolly rune]

as a basic rule of thumb if i'm new to arms should i always sit in D stance when getting trained?

Like as a rule?

[wheat jay]

old stuff?

[thorn herald]

If they have their cooldowns going or you're below 50% is a good rule of thumb til you get stabilized

[jolly rune]

big, ty

pressure feels like it's all i have going for me so games where I sit in D stance feel awful

[green wharf]

wat

[wheat jay]

the survey about transferring old stuff

[thorn herald]

Yeah you don't wanna sit in it

[green wharf]

they were sending a lot of surveys lately

they should make a pattern tbh

since the forum feedback is useless anyway

[thorn herald]

Yeah lich DK ranged spec

[jolly rune]

does it allow for free input at the end

can we complain about warriors being gnomes

[thorn herald]

U can make fun of them

[green anchor]

should've gotten bfa glad mounts

and galakras

[sand sundial]

this will all be irrelevant as they reshuffle the balance last week

[urban skiff]

oh no, are you telling me there will be MORE TIER LISTS??

[sand sundial]

did this guy play with and against every spec with 4 set and apex talents? no

yes

[urban skiff]

Whatever will I do

[sand sundial]

im just saying theyre worth very little atm xd

[urban skiff]

I never put worth in them

i just like the fireworks when i share them

[rancid granite]

tier lists are so peak

they're worth everything

i'm gonna make my own tier list and put Wind at F tier

[sharp meteor]

player tier lists >>

need fuel for the end of season drama

[rancid granite]

kennie is S tier on my list (S for smol)

[green anchor]

Smelly

vulpera

[rancid granite]

ehhh i imagine them like ferrets; only smelly if you get lazy in bathing them

[green anchor]

are you suggesting he has an owner

[rancid granite]

[green wharf]

i have this one

[urban skiff]

made a friend

[green wharf]

cant save mogs anymore?

[rancid granite]

/reload

its still buggy as hell

they're supposedly bringing legion mogs back for any weapon too

[green anchor]

when the game knows your tmog is so bad it doesn't even let you save it

[green wharf]

it was the full set

:?

[green anchor]

:π

[green wharf]

and the elite one at that

[jolly rune]

cloth moggable on plate when

[urban skiff]

you're too poor

[green wharf]

im not, it was bugged

i /reload and it worked

[urban skiff]

Your fashion sense is too poor

[green wharf]

wherent they going to make the first mog free

[warm plinth]

in 12.0.1

[jolly rune]

what is this feeling

I just had a 6/0 sweep as war in solo shuffle

it hits different as war vs other classes

all i did was hold W

look at this damage

[thorn herald]

Nice man

[jolly rune]

are we freaks

[thorn herald]

Big w for the big man!

Bask in it and pat urself on the back triple wizard lobbies suck

[green wharf]

[idle falcon]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7MwwPyZJ7UKFROj2oVnH6R?si=daaca0bd7b6d47af

ngl

if u have this song on

while pvping

you are chad

and will always win

[bright kraken]

rsham btw

[lavish quest]

Means u broke

[lavish quest]

He's not wrong tho

(I have no idea. I hear they reworked sv for the 18th time)

[bright kraken]

rsham dps rotation is literally just spam lava burst or spam chain lightning

it's a factually 1 button rotation

besides applying flame shock

[worldly oriole]

Holy Cow that insurgency game is bad lol

[wheat jay]

same rotation as before tho

like, core rotation got literally 0 changes

except for removing explosive shot and killshot which were just pure button bloat

[lavish quest]

I barely knew the last 17 reworks

I'm a warrior

[wheat jay]

spam kill command, throw bombs, throw molotov, do boomstick, spam raptor strike whenever you cant throw bomb or molotov

done

cooldown is lkiterally, dash in, do dmg

👍

before that it was same shit, except killshot and explosive shot were ALSO before raptor strike

[lavish quest]

Back in my sv days we were an official ranged. Not an RPing melee
(Wrath)

[wheat jay]

well

who cares

[green wharf]

artji: surv got zero changes
Also artji: except those changes

[wheat jay]

removed two button bloat abilities

good change

[green wharf]

dumbstick is garbo and i bet yall will suck ass in pvp

just wait

[lavish quest]

I do. My glory days of the Troll hunter Jungleboyy

[grand scaffold]

what makes it any different from spear of the eagle or whatever it is called

[lavish quest]

Made in vanilla when I was 8 or 9 kek

[wheat jay]

longer range fote, yes

[green wharf]

its four ticks of damage, so if you miss more than one all your damage is gone

[wheat jay]

nothing

[grand scaffold]

so what makes it different

[grand scaffold]

thats what i thought

[green wharf]

the moment you start shotting people will disarm/disable you or go the other way

[grand scaffold]

fist of fury isnt bad

[grand scaffold]

like demolish?

[green wharf]

FOTE wasnt the main part of surv damage

[thorn herald]

It's literally just the fury of the eagle ability they had

[grand scaffold]

it did huge burst

[green wharf]

yeah but without the demolish immunities

[grand scaffold]

demolish can be disarmed

[thorn herald]

Demolish getting gouged is my favorite

[grand scaffold]

and ranged very easily

[green wharf]

not the same

[thorn herald]

Nah ranging it is difficult

[wheat jay]

????

you dumb?

[grand scaffold]

ranging demolish is super easy

blink

leap

teleport

[green wharf]

fote had many ticks of damage in the channeling time, it was less time channeling too and it was like 0.25s each damage. dumbstick is four ticks of damage at 0;75s speed

[thorn herald]

Look man

You interrupted fote

[green wharf]

if you interrupt fote you stll had coordinate assault, spearhead. Now its just fote since it all rolled into one

[wheat jay]

and ca still in?

[grand scaffold]

nobody was playing spearhead

[green wharf]

you mean takedown

[wheat jay]

ye

spearhead

was ass

[green wharf]

we will see when s1 starts

[thorn herald]

Rn on beta sv slaps

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

well i dont rly care for meta or damage

i played survi every season

whether it was shit or not XD

gameplay wise it looks good

[green wharf]

i find it funny that

if it was "literally the same"

them there is nor eason to change

[wheat jay]

removing bloat

and they did

they removed cc bloat

[green wharf]

how bloat

[wheat jay]

and bloat

explosive shot

[green wharf]

they replaced ftoe with dumbstick

[wheat jay]

which was used as a proc, for small hit of damage

[thorn herald]

They pruned two damage buttons and some cc

[green wharf]

if it was literally the same

it makes no reason to replace

[wheat jay]

removed killshot which was literally raptor strike, ona diff button

[thorn herald]

Boomstick is the funniest ability

[wheat jay]

boomstick is longer range fote

[thorn herald]

It just makes people angry

[wheat jay]

syeg

[green wharf]

cranked barrage

[wheat jay]

have you ever played pvp on survi?

[green wharf]

yes

[wheat jay]

like, ever

okay, any decent rating?

or playing blitz at 1200 mmr?

[green wharf]

you know my rating

[wheat jay]

on survi i dont

[jolly rune]

wut is your rating

[wheat jay]

i know youre barely elite in inflated season in shuffle

on warrior

[green wharf]

now what my rating have to do with FOTE being "literally" the same

[wheat jay]

and ive seen you play

[green wharf]

as dumbstick

and that needs a replacement

[wheat jay]

CUZ YOURE DUMB

and dont even play the spec

you jerk off to rexxar lore or sth

[urban skiff]

Snupy put out a new 1shot video.
https://youtu.be/eCaTiN5pMZQ
I marked the 3 warrior specs in my screengrab with spoilers

[green wharf]

you are not answering my question

you cannot remove one ability and replace with another "thats literally the same" and say its because bloat

[urban skiff]

hey hey hey

that's some boomstick action you got there

focus target instead of cleaving

[thorn herald]

Ya the warrior crit all 3 demolish swings

[jolly rune]

does anyone have tips for not scuffing interrupts?

I swear to god I interrupt with clearance at the end of a charge but the cast still goes off if they're at 90% pretty often

Also I get fakecasted hard because i have zugbrain

[thorn herald]

Accept u will get fakes

And just see how many times u do it

Use storm bolt if they fake too many times then kick out of the storm bolt

[solemn elm]

this is what you’re supposed to listen to while playing

[wheat jay]

oh no no

explosive and ks were bloat

boomstick is just new shit

same as dragon roar got replaced with thunderous roar

[solemn elm]

kick at 90%

[wheat jay]

same situation

[solemn elm]

if they fake late kick early into the cast

do not charge into a pummel because that’s how you get faked, every single person who has any sort of brain knows you’re going to charge into a pummel after

just kick at 90% practice that

[jolly rune]

shit he's right @ charge pummel

[solemn elm]

if they sit there and try to juke over and over just hold it and kick at 90% again

[jolly rune]

this is blessed knowledge, ty @solemn elm @thorn herald

[solemn elm]

#1 is just being patient with it

also just press storm bolt to attack your target don’t use it to just disrupt spells lol

cookie for you too when you kick someone you get a 5% damage buff so do it

[jolly rune]

ima be real i set up a sound effect for when storm bolt comes off cooldown

and i just mash it on cooldown on my main target

[solemn elm]

good job

if your friend is stunning for you just throw it on the off target

or the healer

don’t forget while you are bladestorming you can kick and throw bolt still

just practice the kick at 90% and you’ll see you won’t miss anymore

[jolly rune]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-gif-62870316450580206

ty

[idle falcon]

@urban skiff i got the mount :D

[solemn elm]

nice :)

[wheat jay]

brother youre elite

on 2 specs iirc

and ive seen you play

and played with you

i have also seen syeg play

i can talk shit about ppl ive seen play

[urban skiff]

wait, what mount is that?

[sharp meteor]

pveman one

that should've been s3 glad

[idle falcon]

the mythic

mount

[urban skiff]

You didn't even think to carry me?

boo

[idle falcon]

we were full

its new guild too so like

[wheat jay]

y'all looking for voidman dps?

[urban skiff]

literally me

[wheat jay]

yes

[urban skiff]

finally somebody said it, boomstick is literally fury of the eagle

[wheat jay]

i mean, ive been saying it from the start lol

[urban skiff]

Maybe I'm just blind but takedown seems a lot like it's also flanking strike

[wheat jay]

its CA+flanking

cuz flanking got removed

so its just CA with more dmg

[urban skiff]

oh yeah that's what I was trying to say

[wheat jay]

this is fote

this is boomstick

similar, right?

[urban skiff]

yea

[wheat jay]

like, fairly similar

kinda different, but fairly similar

[urban skiff]

Tbh identical to me, figure the only reason they changed it at all was just because they wanted survival to have a longer range for pve reasons

[wheat jay]

maybe, i dunno

btw syeg said it wasnt main dmg ability

it has been a huge part of your dmg in many different seasons

[thorn herald]

I have sound effects for a few CDs

[wheat jay]

in DF s2 it was throwing a bomb too

[urban skiff]

I'm not sure I understand why people complain about tip of the spear changes

I can't tell what it does different now from before

stack with kill command, consume with other powers.

seems like that's what it did before

[wheat jay]

no clue lol

i think its the same xD

it also makes your pet do more dmg lol

like

200% ap for EVERY ability?

thats kinda big XD

[urban skiff]

it's a little like getting kill command to do delayed damage

[little scaffold]

guys if I get 2.4 right now will I get any rewards? Like tabard and all?

and for 1.8 tmog?

[jolly rune]

i blew past 2.1k solo shuffle and got no rewards at all

they super gone

[solemn elm]

u got a cookie :)

you can get achievements and such but no rewards

[urban skiff]

finally solved my last shaman issue

[wheat jay]

you finally rerolled

[urban skiff]

no, figured out how to keep track of my cursor during camera movements

[little scaffold]

thank you for letting know boss

[urban skiff]

I just tried using the SBA on sub and just deleted a mage without doing anything but holding F5 down

[urban skiff]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/minitabtarget

@fickle forge

you wanted that one, right?

[fickle forge]

Does it work?

[urban skiff]

No clue

But the mini addons seem to be specifically midnight stuff

[shadow pebble]

hello, best warrior spec for pvp in prepatch? thx in advance!

[urban skiff]

sub and enh

[solemn elm]

best warrior spec

and create devourer, or any other class but this one

unless you like suffering :)

CgEAmaXYRr39NNAQKu+E/lY36BAAAAAAgGDmZMzCzMzYMMzMzYmZeglZMzMjZZmZmBAAiZW2GYxyGTjZmhJDmhFAzsYsMAYmBYMwYA

mountain thane build that does damage

[urban skiff]

anyone know how i can plug a tv into my pc via HDMI but be able to kill the connection whenever I don't want to stream to the tv so it doesn't act as a 2nd monitor when I just want to play games and shit?

[rancid granite]

look up HDMI splitters / switches

[urban skiff]

do they come with an off switch?

[wheat jay]

Cant you just select diff hdmi socket from your remote?

[urban skiff]

my GPU has way more than one slot, i just want to be able to use lossless scaling to make my tv experience slightly better

[wheat jay]

I believe that should kill the connection

No matter if you have anything in the other socket or not

[urban skiff]

yea but my tv does this thing where if you're on the 3rd HDMI channel then the other channels are still on if connected so if i plug pc right in I have a secondary monitor even when it's not showing that channel on the tv

[wheat jay]

Hmmm

[urban skiff]

i figure alternative I just get a splitter or a thing that connects HDMI to HDMI and just unplug somewhere that makes more sense than behind a PC or behind a TV

[wheat jay]

Unplug shit then lol

Or change split screen options on your pc

Im fairly sure you can just change it

[urban skiff]

yea but I want a solution that isn't software

I don't want to go through a bunch of menu clicks and try to remember what to do every time, i'd rather just do like a plug in when use, plug out when not

Like an HDMI cable with a button on the middle of the cord that goes on/off, lol

[wheat jay]

Isnt there like a hotkey foe that?

I believe its windows+arrows

[urban skiff]

found something

[rancid granite]

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/anker-hdmi-switch-black/JJ858RCC52/sku/12076234?ref=212&loc=marketplace

yeah

[urban skiff]

not quite it, but i guess I can make one that'll behave how i want

I just want to switch between on and off, instead of channel 1/2, but it can still work when one channel isn't plugged in

that's like 20 euro

just need one that can handle the data size I'm dealing in and we cool

[worldly oriole]

Holy shit wows omega boring rn

[urban skiff]

did you try housing?

[worldly oriole]

I cbf killing the rares for rhe mechsuit lol

no

[urban skiff]

game must be really boring, you're not even typing funny

[green wharf]

i agree with exploive, but killshot should have stayed

imo, hatched toss should be the kill shot

[wheat jay]

Ngl, id be happier with hatchet working like demolish in design, usable after getting 10 stacks of something

Like every 10 strike as one procced you can hatchet

[green wharf]

sounds good i guess

if it wasnt in slow motion

[wheat jay]

Killshot was cool with flayed shot

[tribal holly]

Is game good now

[sharp meteor]

no they made it worse

[tribal holly]

🙁

[solemn elm]

no

[tribal holly]

Wth team

Youre supposed to sell me to start playing wow again

[sharp meteor]

dont it sucks

[ebon steeple]

I'm having fun

If that's worth anything lol

[green wharf]

Nice try Ion

[lavish quest]

take up heroin

[wheat jay]

Wanna do m+?

You can be the hpriest egirl in the team

[green wharf]

[wheat jay]

Syeg can be on bench

I trust him to do dmg as much as I trust him to play arena well

[green wharf]

i do fine in pve

but i dont like dungeons