he'll be back
#pvp
fickle forge
Not disagreements, just political topics
Man hates them
And Americans have a thing for always talking politics
worldly oriole
he quit wow for the new shooter high guard
copper fox
No one‘s quitting wow for that game. It’s actually trash.
solemn elm
the trio of slop gaming
i forgot the names already that high guard game the concord one and the other one i forgot the name
that’s like lime green it looks so garbage and average
boreal veldt
that’s like lime green it looks so garbage and average
marathon remake?
or is that even out yet
wheat jay
Not disagreements, just political topics
Then he can just not participate
But instead he was somehow always in the middle of it
Participating very eagerly
He could just ignore it lol
green wharf
https://tenor.com/view/lars-ulrich-metallica-he-fucking-gif-19054629
what about you learning how to fucking play Lars
green wharf
He could just ignore it lol
He wants to "win" the discussion 
remember when we were talking about movies
modest shadow
People that say Lars is a bad drummer, aren't drummers.
green wharf
he got legit angry
modest shadow
also try to play a song for 40+ years and not change up the pattern cause you're bored af lmao
wish that gif was longer, techies face is priceless
wheat jay
remember when we were talking about movies
You gotta remind me
I had rough day and my brain is fucking mush
green wharf
You gotta remind me
it was the superman movie
we were shitting on it
and the recent marvel movies
cuz they were garbage
wheat jay
Oh right
Pusssuperman
Wack
Imagine having 0 aura moments in superman movie
Smh
Guardians of the galaxy had more badass moments
green wharf
Wack
i heard doomsday is gonna be huge
they are putting all their cards
if it fail gonna be colossal failure
wheat jay
We shall see
Last time I was excited for marvel stuff was loki tv show
Tho the one with sentry was apparently very good
I havent seen it tho
fickle forge
But instead he was somehow always in the middle of it
You know how easy it is to ragebait Afro
warm plinth
Why'd he leave anyways
green wharf
Last time I was excited for marvel stuff was loki tv show
it was so shit
what a letdown
Loki the frost giant, getting mugged by humans with a wire
wheat jay
You know how easy it is to ragebait Afro
Nah, ragebait, impossible
No way
Afro that was 24/7 saying he's ragebaiting me?
Nah nah nah impossible
wheat jay
it was so shit <:keks:936231610850897992>
Nah it was good
Loki massive aura moment when he stops time
green wharf
Loki massive aura moment when he stops time
he doesnt do that
only good bit
was old loki
doing asgard
wheat jay
he doesnt do that
He does tho
Room with one who remains
Or sth similar, i dont remember exactly
wheat jay
https://tenor.com/view/old-loki-loki-glorious-purpose-marvel-richard-e-grant-gif...
That was goated
green wharf
Room with one who remains
Loki doesnt do it though, the women loki pushes him into the portal
and stays alone with the dude
and kill him
wheat jay
Loki doesnt do it though, the women loki pushes him into the portal
Have you watched last season?
green wharf
no old loki, not interested
wheat jay
Technically there is old loki
Its complicated i guess
I enjoyed it a lot more than s1
lavish quest
Why? Game awards told me it was great
rancid granite
everyone comparing the name to overwatch though is absolutely hilarious
prime solar
I think this is good?
sharp meteor
slowly walking back some of their gigadowns changes
wow cool
idk why we made them in the first place but cool
exotic forge
Why? Game awards told me it was great
Geoff Kighley better lock up his doors at night
spice hornet
>slowly walking back some of their gigadowns changes
“Oh shit we don’t actually have the development capacity to even reach feature parity with the current addons people write for free”
Who could’ve saw this coming
sharp meteor
just one day deciding that addons are the problem with raiding
and almost potentially bricking the game over it
spice hornet
Just don’t understand why they didn’t limit to breaking them in PvE instances
And designing fights accordingly
Leave the rest of the game alone
Crazy
sharp meteor
it doesnt even rly affect pve
whcih is why its so
weird and stupid
everybody in pvp like "um not being able to see enemy cds is great actually" and its like sure but you're getting what is basically
the runoff of pve changes
dim thunder
Could have just made a more gradual roll out and additional iterations of their own stuff and slowly deprecate access to certain aspects of the game they deem harmful on some sort of timeline. Hard cut off was kinda weird.
Their stuff honestly needs a few more iterations to not feel buggy and undercooked.
Their defaults are also kinda bad. If they weren't going to make stuff super customizable, they should have at least figured out reasonable defaults.
jolly rune
if you're vs a mage and lock in arena, how do you choose which to zug?
green wharf
if you're vs a mage and lock in arena, how do you choose which to zug?
you see which one is the warlock
and ram him
jolly rune
i like it
sharp meteor
if you're vs a mage and lock in arena, how do you choose which to zug?
lock considerably more killable than mage generally
also destro auto wins game if u detarget
jolly rune
it feels like mage getting free polymorphs is equally disgusting
but i agree warlock damage too high unattended
and ice block is awful
sharp meteor
it feels like mage getting free polymorphs is equally disgusting
not rly can disrupt mage a bit but like
its fine you cycle stuff
if lock is a mile away tab mage
and vice versa
if mage blinks twice back lock
90% just hit lock tho
thorn herald
also destro auto wins game if u detarget
rlly depends on ur healer
sharp meteor
unless mage blinkin in your face for no reason
while the lock gated/ported into Antarctica
and you have a high reliable sustained dmg teammate
its trolling to go magus
i fear
dim thunder
Wrecking throw will be really effective too on the lock.
jovial torrent
i wana grab the 1800 mog on lock again, guna be stressful i feel
or maybe not and healers with their broken ui will dispel UA
green wharf
i wana grab the 1800 mog on lock again, guna be stressful i feel
its much more of an easy time in blitz
i do there
but locks will be able to go back and forth
with the portal
and less casting overall
boreal veldt
avatar on CDR with anger man is insane
thorn herald
avatar on CDR with anger man is insane
It's a 1 min 15% damage amp with cdr. Csmash is 20% on a 30 sec
Avatar is terrible
boreal veldt
It's a 1 min 15% damage amp with cdr. Csmash is 20% on a 30 sec
ok
not saying csmash ain't great too
what're we doing here
thorn herald
Ur word choice confuses me I guess
boreal veldt
Ur word choice confuses me I guess
rustic quest
exotic forge
Had a Frost Mage say the other day casters shouldn't have to cast their spells
What's next, Healers shouldn't be able to queue in pvp?
solemn elm
flarkness tierlist oh no
idle falcon
this pvp tier list?
green anchor
🤓
idle falcon
xd
urban skiff
I just got jumped by a mw, dh and dk and they took forever to kill me
Then I caught the dh on a flying mount and deleted him as he hit the ground
what is bro doing
idle falcon
xd
urban skiff
Skillcappeds latest video is about whether its worth pvping in Midnight or not.
rancid granite
i watched it i dont even remember them even saying if it was or not lmao
wheat jay
you gotta answer it yourself
lavish quest
Guys, is warrior still F tier?
elfin surge
Guys, is warrior still F tier?
nah its pretty good on tbc
lavish quest
nah its pretty good on tbc
No one is playing that old man
Gonna be all on the 18th release of Skyrim too?
elfin surge
No one is playing that old man
its actually pretty active in the prepatch
unlike midnight
warm plinth
ill wait for them to buff it in a week or 2 like they usually do
lavish quest
Tru
warm plinth
need to level some horde toons, cant decide to play orc or maghar 
wheat jay
panda
thorn herald
need to level some horde toons, cant decide to play orc or maghar <:hmmsuit:8396...
Dracthyr cause being immune to knocks and having a knock is kino
Plus u get to be female human on horde
obsidian oar
need to level some horde toons, cant decide to play orc or maghar <:hmmsuit:8396...
HMT be the biggest diesel boi
lavish quest
its actually pretty active in the prepatch
Forgot to mention. You're missing the bug where you can use the portal at the prepatch area to teleport other people, rather than yourself
One guy in general chat thought it was because he was interacting with stuff at the camp lol
sand sundial
Playing classic for the..how many times since 2019?
copper fox
It’s an easier game for old folk
sand sundial
Then after phase 2 it was all GDKPs, same faction griefing, mfers with +3 accounts camping each other for dispelling
Warrior was pretty cool back then tho, might casually play it
worldly oriole
Lol just had a dream a tauren was on a big boar turtle lol
sonic heron
need to level some horde toons, cant decide to play orc or maghar <:hmmsuit:8396...
Orc has reduced stuns and mag har reduced poisons but they are pretty much similar
Personally if I want to use everything to max I would go normal orc for reduced stuns and a small strength increase
Mag har gives u a random stat
green wharf
Plus u get to be female human on horde
"plus"
brother in christ
thats like the worst reason to play one
thorn herald
arent u a straight back male orc
green wharf
https://youtube.com/shorts/vCX8s2lrp0w?si=WtfB9cwFLSYuTD1k
they have the instgram account it started there
thorn herald
https://youtube.com/shorts/vCX8s2lrp0w?si=WtfB9cwFLSYuTD1k
ya the bits with dennis are peak
green wharf
i got to see when they had like 3 videos only, and dude already did an album
I do wonder if blizz will give then a cease and desist kind of deal
green wharf
arent u a straight back male orc
i mean yeah, play horde play horde races
i do have other wars
thorn herald
ya ive got like 20 other warriors
green wharf
i wish the dracthyr were buffy like this, would prob be my second war
wheat jay
arent u a straight back male orc
The only acceptable orc
Hunch cuz you're ashamed of something?
Or straight standing, chest up
thorn herald
i wish the dracthyr were buffy like this, would prob be my second war
in the survey blizz sent out tank evokers might be a thing where they turn into that
urban skiff
i wish the dracthyr were buffy like this, would prob be my second war
transmog better
rancid granite
i wish the dracthyr were buffy like this, would prob be my second war
why is he sexy
rancid granite
100% the main character of some smut
thorn herald
The only acceptable orc
the hunch is the way of the orc
urban skiff
lmao that's the first thing I thought of. Did you see their meeting where he roasted himself for how he looked with the hunch?
wheat jay
the hunch is the way of the orc
Its the way of shame and no testosterone
lavish quest
why is he sexy
wheat jay
lmao that's the first thing I thought of. Did you see their meeting where he roa...
Ye xD
copper fox
arent u a straight back male orc
I read this quickly and incorrectly
thorn herald
lmao
wheat jay
Methyl is questionable hunched gnome player
green wharf
hunch orcs is something that only existed in vanilla for some reason, orcs werent hunched in previous games 🤷🏾♂️
wheat jay
^
green wharf
nor in the movie, nor in the artwork
even when there was cinematics they were normal
lavish quest
The hunch shows off the 2 hander(s) on your back better
green wharf
no im just saying its something i never understood from the art direction
is like, why
thorn herald
because ur unga bunga savages
thorn herald
he had a goofy warcraft 3 model
green wharf
but dude was born wrong with bone problems
green wharf
playing gnome is haram
thorn herald
cant even insult gnome players
thorn herald
funny enough i wrote out the insult and tagged him
but the 4 letter word that starts with c and ends with uck got censored
thorn herald
nah i got a message saying it wont let me send it
lavish quest
Rip
thorn herald
due to server rules
lavish quest
Yeah...
thorn herald
and mud would respond with but im a female orc now
elfin surge
I insult mud all the time
im orc u noob
wheat jay
but the 4 letter word that starts with c and ends with uck got censored
You mentioned gnomes being the usual recipients of cuckchair?
lavish quest
and mud would respond with but im a female orc now
wheat jay
He plays shuffle only?
green wharf
im orc u noob
elfin surge
no way bro saved that
thorn herald
You mentioned gnomes being the usual recipients of cuckchair?
yes they all have the chair in the room
lavish quest
thorn herald
im orc u noob
everytime
lavish quest
no way bro saved that
Also, I said it must be preserved
elfin surge
wheat jay
I thought Audacy was in the chair these days
You're the one pegging mud now?
lavish quest
You're the one pegging mud now?
What do you mean 'now?'
elfin surge
breh
lavish quest
Homie is speechless. 🍷
elfin surge
hey guys this is pvp chat
wheat jay
What do you mean 'now?'
Took over audacys role
lavish quest
This has been the way. Got the paper filed and everything
urban skiff
fuck yeah, @green wharf sub rogue can transmog swords onto daggers
green wharf
fuck yeah, <@423000056908742657> sub rogue can transmog swords onto daggers
yeah i think imma stick with sub now too
tried all s3 to do outlaw
it jut feel bad
urban skiff
love this weapon clipping
spice hornet
fuck yeah, <@423000056908742657> sub rogue can transmog swords onto daggers
Retalihate is a huge jumpscare
lavish quest
Doesn't sub rogue have to use daggers?
green wharf
Doesn't sub rogue have to use daggers?
yes
but you can mog into swords
or one handers now
lavish quest
Well he said it the other way :p
urban skiff
Doesn't sub rogue have to use daggers?
mainhand yes
I think offhand is dealer's choice, can't remember why. Maybe because they removed the old HAT that used to proc combo points off of partymember attacks (including your offhand attacks so faster attacks = faster HAT)
urban skiff
I haven't done it yet, but I think fury with dual daggers and heavy armor will look pretty good
lavish quest
I'm just rocking that khazan mog. And in that game, you got 3 weapon choices. Big sword, spear or dual wield. And the dual wield is always 1 sword 1 axe.
urban skiff
I'm just waiting for the price to drop
lavish quest
Fair. It was like 30% off over Christmas so I went ahead and just did it
urban skiff
need to revert from the undead belf but i think this is close to what I want from sub rogue for the next while
or this
wish the dagger animations would sync up
urban skiff
Fair. It was like 30% off over Christmas so I went ahead and just did it
using elden ring as the baseline, is it better or worse?
lavish quest
Elden ring better, but elden ring is goated.
Khazan is very good tho. It's more mission based. Think sort of like Nioh if you played those.
Not a ton of build variety, but given I always do the 1 archetype, not an issue for me
It is a lil more story (more cutscenes, dialog of npc's change after each main mission.) But they definitely could have pushed the story telling more
Combat very good, visually great.
Parrying is more like sekiro
urban skiff
Elden ring better, but elden ring is goated.
Khazan is very good tho. It's more ...
Yea Nioh is what turned me towards Dark Souls, i think
past is a bit fuzzy around that time
wooden yarrow
did y'all take khailby out back and shoot him
urban skiff
where the fuck did my rupture go????
urban skiff
think he'll be back?
copper fox
Kabibs emo crash was weird
green wharf
Kabibs emo crash was weird
out of nowhere too
copper fox
Like he knew he was a troll and played that role intentionally
Then when he got called a troll randomly just went emo about it
lavish quest
Like he knew he was a troll and played that role intentionally
I said it many times. Believe it or not he wasn't trolling as much as you think lol
wooden yarrow
I tap out of this chat for like three days and i miss all the drama
copper fox
Out of curiosity, I went back into his own messages and he acknowledges the trolling though so that’s really on him
urban skiff
where's my invite
lavish quest
where's my invite
Lmao
copper fox
For example, he talked shit about that one dude only being 2400 in solo shuffle
spice hornet
Khail was such a rage baiter
green wharf
Khail is gone?
no, he still here
lavish quest
Khail is gone?
That was before afro*
urban skiff
Lmao
You're too scared of what Zercher Unleashed can do in a channel that isn't public
Yet another way the cabal is keeping me down
wooden yarrow
Khailby was weird because he expressed not wanting to be a "regular" but then did everything he could to be one, then got upset when being called out. I don't think it was genuine trolling as much as just being kinda socially inept about the whole thing. Same thing happened in the prot channel, and im sure in other discords. Wish him the best, just a silly little guy
lavish quest
Whats the issue with being a regular?
urban skiff
Whats the issue with being a regular?
<-----
lavish quest
I raided with that kid in SL lol
green wharf
Khailby:
Day 23 everything was fine, joking about monster and stuff
Day 24: "im uninstalling wow, i dont fit wow community, does canada still do assisted suicide" or something
wooden yarrow
Whats the issue with being a regular?
Being a regular in a wow discord means you're a stinky loser and i would never stoop to that level
copper fox
lol
lavish quest
Being a regular in a wow discord means you're a stinky loser and i would never s...
You're a stinky loser regardless
Little did Khailby know, he was the life of the (troll) party
green wharf
you have weird eyes
lavish quest
Going outside is disgusting
lavish quest
Little do they know, I troll on discord a lot at that job
lavish quest
IM ON VACATION DAMMIT
What's that?
green wharf
What's that?
what you mean whats that
green wharf
wooden yarrow
this is literally me
lavish quest
But actually I had my first vacation in like 10+ years a handful of months ago
And I touched WAY too much grass
green wharf
this is literally me
wooden yarrow
<:Susge:1093732857354145853>
lavish quest
urban skiff
what happened to training grounds
do I really have to go violate randos in the open world now
green wharf
tall grass to touch
lavish quest
tall grass to touch
I'm pretty tall
I only have like a 3rd of the photos I took still on my phone. Rest on an external hard drive
rancid granite
fuck yeah, <@423000056908742657> sub rogue can transmog swords onto daggers
yeah its amazing
sub lost lots of buttons tho
no symbols no rupture no flag
copper fox
what happened to training grounds
Training grounds are DOA in midnight
lavish quest
urban skiff
Training grounds are DOA in midnight
I only use them for testing shit against consistent opponents
But we went from 10 second queues to 5 minutes
that's not acceptable
green wharf
Thats nice
robust hearth
so im outta the loop on what is and what isnt working for pvp add-ons for midnight
lavish quest
Thats nice
Ye boi. It's a sole tree on that rock
robust hearth
what add-ons yall using for pvp tht is working in midnight
is BattleGroundEnemies working?
BigDebuffs?
hi @lavish quest
urban skiff
is BattleGroundEnemies working?
yes, but might break
lavish quest
hi <@153230384497295361>
Hi
rancid granite
is BattleGroundEnemies working?
i think there's a new one
green wharf
i would lowkey build a hut there and live it with Elon wifi
Did you guys already saw those youtube videos
where the dude just goes in the wild and build a house
urban skiff
i think there's a new one
yeah it's being taken down
green wharf
with shit he finds there
urban skiff
i have insider knowledge on that
worldly oriole
damn I hit an ultra kill on cod with a sniper lol
green wharf
My autism had a hyper focus on that for a while
shit was so fucking entertaining
The addon i need is Spy, it sucks to not know when filthy alliance is nearby
green anchor
Primitive Technology
copper fox
yeah it's being taken down
No there’s one that isn’t
You’re thinking of the para whatever one
urban skiff
No there’s one that isn’t
Yea the real bge is surviving, the para thing is in trouble for trying to mess with open licences etc
copper fox
Yea there’s an upgraded bge coming soon the guy is almost done
urban skiff
I hope it's updated visuals, the current UI looks so smooth I can't live with the old stuff now
look at how many people hitting a practice mode mage and not succeeding
lavish quest
i would lowkey build a hut there and live it with Elon wifi
Shame it's a state park lol
copper fox
look at how many people hitting a practice mode mage and not succeeding
What is even happening here
urban skiff
who the fuck knows
new addons go
from what I can tell I'm not worse off than before addon nuke
green anchor
tracking class buffs
urban skiff
I'm still brawling my way through everything with no clue what I'm doing
we're horde, bots kicking ass
green anchor
im doing fine but let me track hamstring ffs lol
lavish quest
Zercher losing to bots...
urban skiff
i mean we won
but I can only cap so many bases at once
Imma go to twilight highlands and ruin someone's day instead
I'm so confused about how to play sub
but then I do shadowstrike -> dance stech and delete a bot before I can do more
man there's going to be a few short days in midnight where people are going to lose their shit over sub
boreal veldt
man there's going to be a few short days in midnight where people are going to l...
they're one of the few who kept a pretty good damage profile in prepatch i think
i don't see any assa and i heard outlaw is dead
urban skiff
I haven't heard anyone talk about it, but my shaman feels completely fine in prepatch as well
boreal veldt
sub, enh, and uh dk all look swell
urban skiff
A bit starved on MSW occasionally but the hero talent increase will fix that in midnight
rancid granite
Imma go to twilight highlands and ruin someone's day instead
same as before just hit 1 2 1 2 1 2
they say go like 20-30% haste too
urban skiff
they say go like 20-30% haste too
I don't see anyone going that high
even though they run deepening shadows
I figure it's because they play with priests enough to get value out of it via PI
rancid granite
haste to ~30% > vers to ~35, the rest crit/mastery
haste is shadow dance duration and secret tech cooldown
green anchor
You sure you can't? I can track hex on my shaman
hamstring & i think deep wounds won't show up on nameplates
boreal veldt
rend does though for some reason
green anchor
yep
lavish quest
Because we all know warriors love rend
boreal veldt
rancid granite
so many talents for bleed i just assumed it was good dmg
if its not surely itll be tuned
boreal veldt
you can obliterate anyone in a 3tar cleave with fervor atm
thorn herald
yeah isnt the slame +50% more dam
boreal veldt
in 3 tar, ye, so demolock and uh dk are just the best
boreal veldt
i'll be honest, i hate it
it does good dam but the rotation is literally just keep slamming, only ms if it's fully buffed/sharpen, and op when rageless
feels horrible
but pumps
urban skiff
haste to ~30% > vers to ~35, the rest crit/mastery
yea I heard, but I don't see people doing it
green wharf
it does good dam but the rotation is literally just keep slamming, only ms if it...
i did one bg as colossus
and its just rly lame
Slam spam and i was killing everyone
boreal veldt
right?
boreal veldt
yeah you sit between like 12-30k per hit outside of cs
thorn herald
its slam slam slam slam til execute lights up
then its execute execute execute
whew
lavish quest
i'll be honest, i hate it
I thought you were THE slammer
lavish quest
Any hot single slam spammers in my area?
green wharf
its slam slam slam slam til execute lights up
i dont even think you press that anymore
the deep wounds change is legit bad
green wharf
as a slayer i guess
thorn herald
killed so many dorks with them bleeding out behind pillars
thorn herald
the talent that gives +10% crit chance to execute and some crit chance and ur just blasting people with it
green wharf
cause other uses dont increase the DW damage
boreal veldt
lmao is slayer accidentally the new bleed spec cause they have more DW uptime with execute?
thorn herald
theres a lot bugged with the game
that self healing talent we have doesnt work on us
green wharf
lmao is slayer accidentally the new bleed spec cause they have more DW uptime wi...
ISNT THAT WEIRD 
green wharf
They want to force this dichotomy
Slayer = Bladestorm
Colossus = Avatar
I still sand by the fact rend should be applied by MS
thorn herald
ISNT THAT WEIRD <:kekL:940862228331130890>
it works properly but the tooltip doesnt update
green wharf
if you get the tallent
thorn herald
but i just had it ticking for 5k a second before i let stacks drop
green wharf
it works properly but the tooltip doesnt update
i cant even see if the damage is working cause the blizzard details is fucked
and people die before making significant
at least for my testings in bg
boreal veldt
i wish cleave modifiers worked with WW as well
wheat jay
I still sand by the fact rend should be applied by MS
So, 2 bleeds from one ability?
boreal veldt
So, 2 bleeds from one ability?
only if you crit do you get any
green wharf
So, 2 bleeds from one ability?
imo they should remove the one that Ms apply dw on crit
Its just a lame capstone to me
urban skiff
rogue ready to clap naughty boys
green wharf
all the classes get cool stuff
boreal veldt
Its just a lame capstone to me
it's a horrible capstone
green wharf
Warrior get, defensive stance+ and the pvp talent they rob us
thorn herald
mortal wounds is fine
wheat jay
Its just a lame capstone to me
Oh ye no clue
green wharf
taking away avatar would be awfull to warriors in PVP
thorn herald
tactician one is getting nerfed to +5% tactician procs
wheat jay
thorn herald
avatar is a 15% damage amp in pvp
it doesnt even break roots bud
replacing it with warlords tied to csmash would be insane
green wharf
it doesnt now because they removed and added back half baked
thorn herald
cool man
green wharf
thing is, if you just colossus smash people
they remove the effect
now you have zero pressure
lavish quest
Battle stance should give freedom, thoughts?
thorn herald
ok
green wharf
no kill potential
lavish quest
boreal veldt
Battle stance should give freedom, thoughts?
green wharf
Battle stance should give freedom, thoughts?
well druid forms remove slows if you change, seems fair to me 
lavish quest
I'm kinda surprised they haven't changed blessing of freedom to freedom aura yet
urban skiff
I'm kinda surprised they haven't changed blessing of freedom to freedom aura yet...
freedom fries
wheat jay
well druid forms remove slows if you change, seems fair to me <:hmm:120235644699...
Remove druids
green anchor
but first remove evokers
urban skiff
pretty sure everyone's going to be fan of evokers once they try devourer DH for real
I think I managed to make a macro that plays Devourer for you
I just need spell ID addon to work so I can confirm stuff
lavish quest
freedom fries
Delicious
urban skiff
man I'm making pasta with smoked bacon in tomato
right after i smoke this mage for having 82k hp
nameplates look fine to me
I have more info than I'm used to
copper fox
Honestly
The only thing I miss is bigdebuffs which is probably coming back to an extent
green anchor
devourer is currently shit
you only have oneshot potential during meta and that's it
still less mobile than evokek
still sage
So what’s the general feeling?
I see a lot of doomsaying on the officials forums :’)
green wharf
you only have oneshot potential during meta and that's it
isnt that how it should be tbh
kill people in the burst
green wharf
So what’s the general feeling?
I see a lot of doomsaying on the officials forum...
meh, not much different from TWW
need to wait till lv max for proper stuff
green anchor
no it's that you do nothing with the 3 buttons outside of meta
meta being big burst is fine
but it's prepatch so w/e
urban skiff
you only have oneshot potential during meta and that's it
meta is all the time, and you're not supposed to oneshot with them. That's a quirk of the spec still half done
urban skiff
hamstring & i think deep wounds won't show up on nameplates
just checked and the cooldown tracks the duration first then cooldown second
That's kidney shot after use
thorn herald
So what’s the general feeling?
I see a lot of doomsaying on the officials forum...
It needs to be tuned
vital quarry
It needs to be tuned
And give us custom nameplate auras. Then all G
urban skiff
fake smokebomb got small bubble out of pala lol
belf has a secret reason it's a bis race.
Anything with access to purge effects can see more buffs on enemy nameplates than others
vital quarry
Usually swarmed with synched ruskerinis
urban skiff
apparently the sync addon broke for the people who don't subscribe and pay for it
idk if that's true
vital quarry
Hope it did. Dogs
urban skiff
warrior attacked me in stormpike, somehow healed to absolute full after i dropped him to 1% hp
so I did it again and i missed a follow up cooldown to look cool when I killed him and got murdered 🙁
now that I think about it, i think it was a prot
sub rogue feels like it should again, not too weirdly complicated with gimmicky secondary combo points
thorn herald
now that I think about it, i think it was a prot
Prot can heal to full and ignore all Ms effects while doing it
urban skiff
neat
thorn herald
Kind of a funny meme
urban skiff
I don't even mind
they're tanks taking extra damage in a game mode that doggypiles important players and they're expected to solo 4+ tower bosses
I wonder how colo prot plays now
thorn herald
It doesn't rlly matter much in bgs but in arenas they can stall games till 100% damp lol
Rextroy put out a video on it
urban skiff
the most important part is how they can't do that when I'm on my shaman
defending graveyards don't even count towards the achievement
i'm so upset
green anchor
guy equipped the pile of pelts he sleeps on
urban skiff
No fist weapons that don't look like ass on belf
they look mostly ok on enhancement.
but we need a hidden fist weapon mog that allows us to fight truly unarmed
green anchor
no way phoenix claws look ass on belf
urban skiff
especially for worgen!
urban skiff
no way phoenix claws look ass on belf
they just go straight into the leg
all weapons on belf are turned inward and do it
and velf for that matter
urban skiff
I think they're using weapon positions from male nelf as the baseline and didn't account for shoulders being narrower when they made belf back in tbc
green wharf
they just go straight into the leg
its cuz they move
urban skiff
its cuz they move
this don't move, half the weapon is inside my leg
inside leg
don't even get me started
green anchor
oofa
green anchor
thorn herald
they just go straight into the leg
What about the ones that look like the tank dh artifact?
green anchor
thorn herald
That style of fist weapon
urban skiff
What about the ones that look like the tank dh artifact?
in a loading screen, i know the one you're talking about
thorn herald
They made more of them that aren't glaives I noticed
sterile moth
Is slam still bugged on the PvP dummy? Doesn’t seem to hit that hard
thorn herald
clips shoulders
urban skiff
no the shoulders have a hole just for this wotlk weapon
here you can clearly see how the weapons are pointed inwards for some reason
make it make sense
thorn herald
here you can clearly see how the weapons are pointed inwards for some reason
Just the price you pay to be a female belf
urban skiff
Just the price you pay to be a female belf
it has it's upsides
LIKE A LEG INSIDE THE TANKARD O' TERROR
rancid granite
So what’s the general feeling?
I see a lot of doomsaying on the officials forum...
don't go to any forum unless you want to hear dooming
we in beta though
lavish quest
So what’s the general feeling?
I see a lot of doomsaying on the officials forum...
It'll be business as usual. So Woyer still F tier
rancid granite
<@205395474784583681> im ready for rogue too
welcome to the club
thorn herald
it has it's upsides
I think fem belf is great don't get me wrong
boreal veldt
don't go to any forum unless you want to hear dooming
could also go to magnus's twitter for that lmao
rancid granite
lol
lavish quest
could also go to magnus's twitter for that lmao
Finally someone who understands
Also, nice name
boreal veldt
We slammin
urban skiff
slammin face into keyboard
slammin faces like a warlord
slammin charge like a drunk boar
boreal veldt
worldly oriole
im gonna crash out if i play more call of duty today
spice hornet
Their damage meter is truly atrocious
lavish quest
im gonna crash out if i play more call of duty today
Boy is about to gg q next and do an Afro
urban skiff
I am now battlemaster
lavish quest
The did massive buff all melees autos
jovial torrent
now they just need to buff uptime
urban skiff
lmao
wait for the random bug where transmogging to daggers increases your autoattack speed for 2h weapons equipped
or some other nonsense
jovial torrent
is that prepatch event good for leveling btw, thinkin of leveling a few diff war races
rancid granite
wait for the random bug where transmogging to daggers increases your autoattack ...
i have hope! the npc by the bank bugged out for me and let me buy mythic mogs last night that was pretty awesome
hot solstice
any platynator users here?
green wharf
After transfering the alt gold, feel like i have to push to 3m now
vital quarry
any platynator users here?
yus
vital quarry
any way to make debuffs into 2-3 rows?
I don't think so. you might cross important to get rid of some stuff
hot solstice
I don't think so. you might cross important to get rid of some stuff
nah whole point was to track chains and hamstring. doesnt work with important on
vital quarry
yea i know. Kinda blows. its fine on warrior, dk not so much lol
fickle forge
@afrowastaken
rancid granite
wheat jay
@afrowastaken
Rip bozo
urban skiff
i have hope! the npc by the bank bugged out for me and let me buy mythic mogs la...
devourer can buy mythic weapons for gold instead of chips
urban skiff
This kinda hot
fuck yea
also don't equip the full cosmetics from s3, looks derpy as heck
wheat jay
also don't equip the full cosmetics from s3, looks derpy as heck
Lmao
Im 100% playing voidman
I like it on papr
rancid granite
devourer can buy mythic weapons for gold instead of chips
that doesn't make any sense?? i'm about t ofind out
urban skiff
Dh tier set goated too ngl
eh, unfortunately doesn't fit devourer theme
hope you're happy with havoc
obsidian oar
HMT be the biggest diesel boi
die so much I don't bother wearing a shirt over my dressings
idle falcon
zercher
urban skiff
I mean it's no KTHuman but if you're too poor to unlock that
urban skiff
sure
urban skiff
I'm on my rogue right now
urban skiff
sure
wheat jay
eh, unfortunately doesn't fit devourer theme
It does, check conquest color
wheat jay
Dont care
urban skiff
wanna come keys?
just checked, I'm only ilvl 154
urban skiff
wheat jay
you'll look like the plebs
Elite sets dont rly have that WOW effect anymore
Neither do weapons
urban skiff
Elite sets dont rly have that WOW effect anymore
True, but I don't think they did for a long time. It's why I'm a fan of bringing them back in some limited capacity
wheat jay
True, but I don't think they did for a long time. It's why I'm a fan of bringing...
Mmmm
Tbh
urban skiff
Like saddles but cap how many you can get per season
wheat jay
Problem with that is the difficulty of acquisition
Like, elite in shuffle is easier than duelist in 3s or 2s
urban skiff
don't tell me you get 2400 any TWW season and don't deserve the elite mog from SL s2 lol
wheat jay
MUCH easier
urban skiff
I mean
wheat jay
See, even in inflated seasons it wasnt that easy
Cuz you actually needed to win more than 10 games
urban skiff
elite transmog is almost trivial for the serious pvp'ers
wheat jay
elite transmog is almost trivial for the serious pvp'ers
Brother for not serious too
urban skiff
In a way shuffle is easier than blitz, shuffle you can be done fast. Blitz you have a higher risk of having to spend an unnatural amount of time
wheat jay
Starting mmr was what, 2050 end of season?
Thats 250 above elite set
Unless you had 10% winrate you were guaranteed elite set
Now, lets go back to pre-bfa
Legion, wod
You needed 2000 rating in an actual pvp bracket
Comparing it to current 2400 shuffle is an insult
I am 100% for giving those sets back
But the difficulty of acquisition turns it into either locking it in 2s and 3s to keep the difficulty/prestige
Or giving it away in all brackets essentially turning into either super easy free set if its for low rating, or ppl will rage and cry if it requires any higher rating in shuffle
urban skiff
How many players would keep playing if you unlocked elite-set-saddles by winning above 2300?
urban skiff
people hit 2300 (2400 before) and just immediately quit, or quit after getting their legend/glad
green anchor
elite transmog is almost trivial for the serious pvp'ers
multiple pve only guildmates got 1800 just for their elite sets in shuffle this season, it's too easy
urban skiff
eh, define too easy
1800 was like top 20% or top 30% of players
that's a fine limit
lavish quest
Idk guys, I had to play 2s for a few hours on dh and sham each to get their sets. Can we make it easier?
green anchor
guildmaster a hunter who only pves and hasn't logged in 4 months got duelist in one day
urban skiff
I'm still in favour of turning the pvp cosmetics into a rewards track where higher rating just progresses it faster
vital quarry
i would bet my money he hopped in as a MM
urban skiff
guildmaster a hunter who only pves and hasn't logged in 4 months got duelist in...
Could he have done that too on enhancement though?
lavish quest
I'd be chill with that
green anchor
Could he have done that too on enhancement though?
no nobody plays enh
because google tells them ele is better
urban skiff
Enh had 2x as many players above 2400 last season as ele did
at least in EU
Point just being, the most pve spec had an easy time, isn't an indication that 1800 is too easy overall
urban skiff
PVP has been dead and dying since WotLK
At this point it's kind of difficult to believe
urban skiff
eh
green anchor
rewards getting their requirements nerfed
urban skiff
that seems like a lot of worrying and looking into other people's bowls that isn't going to change anything for me
green anchor
just to keep people in
urban skiff
I play, I have fun, I smile when I press stormstrike
If I don't have fun, i don't play
rancid granite
based
wheat jay
PVP has been dead and dying since WotLK
Cap
Wod had highest pvp participation
There was some dev interview and they said it was almost 50/50 pvp and pve
Granted most players did both
lavish quest
Wod had highest pvp participation
thorn herald
There was some dev interview and they said it was almost 50/50 pvp and pve
Df put out a survey and more people do random pvp than m+ or some shit
wheat jay
Df put out a survey and more people do random pvp than m+ or some shit
Ye cuz random pvp is still mad popular
Its rated rhats deadge
urban skiff
I was holding ascendance
pretty much didn't use it, where I'd normally use it every pull, just in case the tank needed massive heals or something to keep him alive
🙂
rancid granite
Df put out a survey and more people do random pvp than m+ or some shit
i wonder the % of the pvp'ers are just EBG players
urban skiff
i wonder the % of the pvp'ers are just EBG players
more than arena players like to admit
green anchor
what is random pvp
random BGs?
please no
i guess the pvp spike in wod was because of a new pvpve bg
Ashran
and maybe the unique pvp gear
lavish quest
Wod they probably just counted raiders calling each other regards as pvp
Memes aside. There wasn't any pve to do, so of course pvp was a bigger share lmao
wheat jay
Memes aside. There wasn't any pve to do, so of course pvp was a bigger share lma...
There was, just not as much as we have nowadays with m+
Pvp was just good
urban skiff
There was, just not as much as we have nowadays with m+
WoD had challenge modes though
lavish quest
There was, just not as much as we have nowadays with m+
U right, I forgot about the Selfie cam patch
Much content
urban skiff
which was the m+ equivalent at the time
solemn elm
selfie cam patch was so fire
wheat jay
m+ killed pvp balance
Not true
sharp meteor
ya like keys are so far out in their own litle world
blizz sees 1 comp being 90% of title range players
wheat jay
We had m+ for three expansions before they changed pvp
sharp meteor
and goes ye whatever
as long as your spec is okay in +12s they dont care about keys
wheat jay
It's shuffle that changed, and to a very high degree ruined pvp gameplay
Because it incentivized blizz to make pvp a dps race zoomfest
@green wharf how did m+ kill pvp balance
lavish quest
Keys doesn't get balance changes, gets whole class redesigns lol
green wharf
<@423000056908742657> how did m+ kill pvp balance
lots of skills were changed due to m+ and m+ demands
if things were too strong for m+ they edited or flat out removed
wheat jay
lots of skills were changed due to m+ and m+ demands
Ok like?
Cuz realistically we have to look at design starting from DF as thats when pvp got its big changes
Like shorter cc
green wharf
on the top of my head
wheat jay
More cc abilities
wheat jay
Okay literally just a pvp change
And iirc it wasn't an issue in m+
I was at least expecting something like more abilities being aoe
But you're mentioning dumb shit lol
lavish quest
The great aoe'fication
wheat jay
it is what the m+ people told me
Okay, so removal of a talent that procs other ability was removed because of m+ where warrior wasnt meta since fuck knows when somehow influenced pvp where everything was macroed together or used as just 2nd bladestorm which in all fairness was kinda broken
green wharf
that too
wheat jay
The great aoe'fication
Ye, that I can agree with to some extent
But then again, wasnt everyrhing aoe before?
???
lavish quest
No
wheat jay
Like what class we talking about that was seriously influenced in negative way?
Cuz hell you can be mad about that, i disliked that too, but looking back it changed fuckall
green wharf
great aoefication, warrior still need to spec into cleave
even that we got the shit deal
wheat jay
Okay still not what i asked about
green wharf
at least sweeping strikes is better now
wheat jay
Going from shadowlands to df and tww what class got very negatively impacted in pvp because of more aoe
Cuz aoe classes were already packed with aoe
Legit the only one I can think of is survival, simply because trap breaks from aoe dmg
And survi is often melee
Afaik no other spec got impacted negatively, on the contrary plenty got buff from it
green wharf
green wharf
- all specs
wheat jay
- all specs
<:smug:1283094837176041512>
rancid granite
average paladin main
lavish quest
Cuz aoe classes were already packed with aoe
Aoe classes were aoe classes. We're all aoe classes now
wheat jay
Aoe classes were aoe classes. We're all aoe classes now
Okay but what classes
Cuz I mentioned one I know of
Survi
lavish quest
So they took all the ones that didn't aoe Fiesta, and made them aoe fiesta
wheat jay
Some newbie will read that shit and tjink its real lmao
wheat jay
So they took all the ones that didn't aoe Fiesta, and made them aoe fiesta
Okay what specs, give examples
wheat jay
Ele and enh had plenty of aoe before that
lavish quest
Uh huh
lavish quest
Nah, they got that sweet sweet M+ juice up baebeee
wheat jay
Sp has always been a multi dotter
lavish quest
Sp has always been a multi dotter
Shadow crash??????
wheat jay
So was feral actually, top feral dmg profile was very often about multidotting everything around
Is that the the big explosion?
The spike they throw, slowly flying
lavish quest
Ye
lavish quest
Used have to manually dot
wheat jay
Massive changes that turned it into pure aoe rather than st yep yep
lavish quest
Now you are fiesta
lavish quest
U rejected other examples even tho I'm still right
Besides, even the aoe classes didn't have 90000 passive aoes. Now we all do
Hell, REND IS AOE NOW MA BOI
wheat jay
Ye warr with thunder clap i can agree too
Dh was always aoe, same shit
Monk was always aoe
Fury was always aoe
Survi was always aoe
At least since I remember
Ret fuck knows I aint touching that garbage /spit
Dk was always aoe, frost was even 100% reliant on aoe to do damage
Unholy no clue i didn't play it
Mage was always mad aoe, at least fire
Frost had that frost orb projectile too tho
Lock had cataclysm on destro
For cleave
Affli was multidotter
Demo fuck knows cant tell
green wharf
also @wheat jay MM rework
wheat jay
Rogue sub was mostly st still is afaik, assa can't tell if it was aoe reliant before, like it is now, and outlaw is for degens so noone cares
wheat jay
also <@291636646225379328> MM rework
You mean how it plays with volley?
green wharf
no
wheat jay
Like it did with multishot before
wheat jay
pure because m+ were complaining that they had to summon pet
Thats dumb cuz survi and bm do that too
They swap pet after lust
For tank pet
green wharf
why would you swap
wheat jay
Tank pet
More hp
Another defensive
High m+ it matters
So, what else is there
Druid, was always aoe, especially balance
Feral was aoe multidotter mostly
Bleed everything around
Did we forget any?
Oh shaman
Ele always aoe, and multidot aoe with flame shock
Enh i cant tell tho i believe it used to be more aoe in pvp, especially with chain harvest in shadowlands