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kek
I aint even tryna be mean
same; the difference is p. huge between them tho
they volley they win
Flep who is easily better than you playing versus way better people that utilize the class more?
crazy
wild take even
Im just saying, aint no spec being gatekept because of MM
Get better
He said they were bad
so you take with him
not me
Also isn't it fucking HUGE
I never said they were good
I said they were BETTER
afro the yapper
which is true because they are better than the ones you face
How about you step up and stop being a lil crybaby lmfao
Nerdass
malding
Why become better when we can complain
I never said it wasn't
ah yeah i forgor
Weird
you also played a broken spec
how that works

the og was rofl the op amp is small
Weird how I can play my warrior for 2 seconds and eclipse you still
weird
š¤·āāļø
Oh yeah thats a tiny lil baby
then why are you talking
that might fit on my board
Because people crying when they are at a certain rating is literally mad cringe
step up
Be better at the game
wow, i dont think that bit of racism was rly necessary
I am probs not getting the Big muff though
Being brazilian isn't a race
its more like online experience masked in xenophobia if anything
Or more accurately stereotypes that may or may not be negative
bro doesnt know the brazil ethnicity
why
5
5
1
incorrect
what
guitar pedal
glad used to be not bad when I was good and played this game a lot
Tf does that even mean
Oh itās Afro
Disregard
Incapable of bringing any argument that supports his points and goes back to memeing
But oh well
Sounds more American
you dont bring arguments
Literally agrees with me
Out of the like three brazilian people that I have met online they have all fit that criteria
Brazilians donāt give up

so has Polish people but I have only met one Polish person
and he might just be stubborn

Oh, I had/have a group of Brazilian guys carry me in CS. I love them lol
Also tbf Artji does just ragebait constantly
the best people 
polish are generally nice i've found
XD
I have met one Polish person
and he is a hunter main
people weren't afraid to say things to strangers faces good or bad
they are the country with the most femboys 
redflag only if MM/BM
He is a redflag regardless of class
Im A Gem Boy Lol
blacklisted irl
Who Remember Playin PokƩmon On Nintendo DS lol
Whatās that
I remember this kid i had over deleted my mewtwo saved game or something lol
was playing Gameboy port on GameCube
at 1900 in shuffle, surely i can get another 50 points
Hey Tony Can You Give Us Some Tony Lore
Why Do You Type Like This
gay boy?
Isnt that Steven universe show
no clue
mhmm
Surely
lol
I asked him that before he never replied
Safe to say itās tism
oh my god steven universe
i remember watching that as a kid but then they started singing and I didnt want my parents to think i was gay watching a show about singing rock lesbians so i refused to watch it for years
I didn't miss much but
yall should see this wall of text i got for posting i got 1800 with single button assist
I was 30 points shy og 2100 with SBA uhdk
Gave up before i could remedy, im sure 2.1k was possible ez
@spice hornet @scarlet trout its just for the meme. someone I know used to tweet like that lol
hes so damn mad its hilarious
@worldly oriole Rate My Meat
It is an insult to the PvP community
It's an insult to anyone performing worse than a feature that's designed for disabled people
tbf, usually the one button guy is being carried by another better person
what is this cut?
but its also shit that you are losing 2x1
zercher eatin good playing wow all day with his wife
I can't remember what that's called in english
in a country that cares about humans well-being
fiction
Also a typo is getting me a 40k backpay i didnt know i was entitled to. So theres that. Plus i get child money in a few weeks.
Suddenly i have enough for the down payment of another house
if you watched that show as a kid... you're still a kid lol

based on a true story (of my friend)
reminds me of this though lmao
Who should then destroy you because he's better
I mean "a kid" is relative i suppose, but I own a house and have a stepkid so idk how much of a kid i truly get to be anymore 
you get to live vicariously through the kid and watch kid movies and do kid things
Just stepdown
it still counts
fuck yeah
You can stay a kid for as long as you like
the secret to adulthood is that you can choose if you want to remain a child forever, or if you want to turn into a sadult
you mean @copper fox getting like 2500 with one button rotation?
he never got his 2400 enhancement like he promised
maybe he can SBA his way to that now
ye i wouldnt either
snooze

wait true
funny typo, W and C are nowhere near each other
brother its elite
not rlyh ard
probably
since i dont have enh
i have tried tho
to like level 36 or something
it was maghar i called Czarnyartji
just remake it now
dang where this from
thats some content
I just posted this meme to a WoW Facebook group and said I got 1.8k and someone got big feelings abt it
so good
I still find it crazy how this set is like an HD remake of the legion set with the glowing sword on the pauldrons
It's why I need it...
I wish I could go back in time and get that set
The pieces work very well with this season's
Really? I thought the new sets gloss would overkill old armor
Nah legion sets still hold up great. I've seen a handful of mogs made using pieces from both and it works
True
nah legion sets still bang
just wearin cruel elite til the servers go down
I posted my set here and I got hate because I was using magetower appearance for arms
what ur set
It also matches with the red tint of the mage tower weapon appearance š
That's what I'm talking about! Sexy
It's not showing on armory, but I was using the lemix fel aura on these and they look pretty cool imo since it's green on green
It's not appearance, it's the weps
Panda spotted 
my main was a panda before Dracthyr released. They have such good animations
They do, I love my pandas. All my toons are panders
The chest, legs and torso are the new set right?
If so I'll probably want to swap to the same
Looks nice
It looks like feet and chest are the new set, the rest sans the shoulders are from the juggernaut set
Unless those are all the pvp tint juggernaut set items
i only rly use elite stuff except on kenns whre ilike white plate
I wish there was a pauldron size modifier for all characters so you could set them to small or big
And a helmet size modifier for pandas specifically
Wearing a helmet is dealing with baldness
Why night elves b standing like that
bruh tony take off that dumb ass soul render and q up you have more than half of the wins and you have all the time in the world, i finished like 30 wins in one sitting on the last day of forged
How else are they supposed to use their brain blast casting animations
nothing is impossible
I'm still so sad Haranir are using that cast animation. They could've been perfect
Lol
vindictive elite until the game is over
nothing else looks cooler to me than vindictive elite
ugly ass gnome but i love this set so much
okay kydrav
lmao he uses that too
eww gnome
cruel elite is still amazing too i put that one on sometimes
Itās cause they are naturally dumber than regular Europeans
technically our education is doing pretty well
Wont be doing so well when America takes Greenland from u
?? xd
???
are you american?
you gotta be from na
we don't claim him
Do I gotta explain it to u
There is Greenland in Poland
Trump said hes gonna take the Greenland
This is why our country is in shambles
Itās not all snow
You guys have Greenland
Look at a map buddy
That's supposed to be a joke?
Omg guys
I understand the joke settle down
the joke is that hes american
was hard to gauge
Thereās guys here
Who actually believe this
Or better yet the ones that get pop-geopolitics from podcasts and think getting Greenland is some 8d chess move
Tony in an arena demon
A lot of really stupid shit is being said in this chat about nationalities with zero evidence and Iām all for it
I know our military budget is the size of the moon but I secretly want Greenland to crush us

i can verify all your polish memes and stereotypes
EZ
Fuck dude me too I just want out of here
you think greenland is for you LOLOL
y'all dont like america?
We can only do why we do around the world because all of our allies enable us by letting us have bases everywhere
you mean nato?
Yes
Yea
If we piss everyone off they can just kick us out
they wont lmao
We arenāt going to invade all of Europe
you arent gonna invade europe at all lets be real
Iām really glad the administration is focused on Greenland. Itās much more important than affordable healthcare and companies outsourcing every job they can to India and Costa Rica
Israel first
Yeah Poland and South America are the new targets. India salaries are rising because of all the tech companies opening offices there lol
Iād move to Poland
the only reason tony doesnāt even finish his glad wins is cause heās playing double dh at 2200 bruh
poland is cool
Yeah pictures Iāve seen everything looks super nice and clean
bang out glad real quick for christmas
Tony canāt resist playin BFA comps
This is the average American perception of any Eastern European country
oof
ngl not too far from reality
this was made in like 70s or 80s i believe
could be earlier tho haha
see every place would look ugly when its cloudy and middle of autumn xD
Iāll take that with a side of work life balance vs what I have now
God I live in the city of Phoenix which is completely unwalkable and over 100 degrees for 8 months out of the year. On top of everything else about being American. I'd love just about anywhere else
Iāve been to Phoenix
Sucked
wherever this guy goes he sucks there
Except WoW arena babyy
Is this not true
Phoenix enthusiasts will tell you āits a dry heatā and think thats a good argument
ā¦ā¦.. because it is
My response to this is always "so is an oven"
Theyāre all Eastern European
Yes, and?
Iāve been to Florida/Georgia/Texas in the middle of the summer (live in the south) and Iāll take phoenix heat anyday over that shit
AZ gang
You canāt run from humidity
At least in AZ if youāre under some shade youāll be okay
If I was going to live somewhere out west it would be New Mexico
Gross
I love ABQ
not wrong !
but weāre comparing shit vs poop
Fl summer last like 10 months also
Yeah there's grass in Poland
ye, wrong side of the wall
literally that
iron curtain
Europoors
germany is gorgeous fr
Chat
Help me out
I need pros and cons of race changing vs levelling new character and maining that one instead
Race changing cons: -25$ what the fuck
Well leveling a new class on Lemix takes like an hour and you can convert it immediately after
Oh right
Its incredibly easy
Save the $25 and wait a day is a good deal to me
You could also make a time machine and go back to a couple weeks ago when race changes were on sale 
im playing at 2.4 mmr in blitz and it feels like a random battleground
Welcome to the game
It's like herding cats fr
ppl in blitz are fucking brain dead
backpeddling chaps everywhere
xds
just expecting/hoping the team carries them
they made fun of me in legion for backpeddaling in rbgs
80$ for 5 down to 60$ for 5!!!
Ye, post wod they made mobs really responsive.
So much better!
I don't have it bound but sometimes I wanna rebind it.
Move an inch moves run through you and cleave 2 melee dead.
That looks like Frankfurt
If so Iāve walked across that bridge
damn
Ill show eu people a photo of the most beautiful landscape or place ever and theyll go āoh yeah ive walked thereā
and?
germany is central europe
their countries are the size of our states
eastern europe starts with poland kinda
I know
Its just insane
U drive an hour and the laws have changed 3 times
Poland makes good pasta
They put potato inside little tiny ravioli looking things
And cover with tomato sauce
Thats what the polish friend i talked to said
Im 99% sure it was
Little tiny pierogi pastas
a pierogi?
Yeah
lmao
Tiny ones
The best thing Iāve had in almost every place Iāve traveled is Baklava
OOOOOOHHHHH
I know now
Okay
Cottage cheese+mashed potato filled dumplings
Okay it finally clicked lmao
This?
Yes
Want best shit for it?
Butter, sliced onion, cook them till golden
There you go
10/10
Cotrage cheese is great, the trick to it being good is not eating it raw like a fucking animal...
Add some cream, some salt, some anything
nah i love it i was just fuckin around
Some cut chives
And put it on still warm fresh bread
Brother that's 10/10 food
And hot chocolate with that
What is stat prio for Colossus protection in Blitz BG? Versa>Mastery>everything else?
Idk Iām playing MT and just went haste/versa
I personally prefer without radish, but some pieces of cucumber also go hard, add a nice crunch
lmfaooo he eats chives on bread
Yes
can confirm, we were winning 1300 to 600 deephaul and suddenly they stopped camping carts, we lost
fuck deephaul
anyone good with betterblizzplates
trying to make borders like i had before for nameplates/hp bars
can't find it or it doesn' work :'(
Thts just to convert ppls pve gear to be useful in pvp like if somone farmed tier sets from raids and want them to be useful in pvp
get Platynator - going to be fine for midnight/replaces Plator and has more options than betterblizzplates
but i like blizz plates and im used to them
i had a red border around enemies and green borders around allies
unplayable without it
i assume this is it maybe its just broken atm
Thts the exact reason I got it, I missed out on the legion 1 cuz I was maining DH and mythic raiding at the time but also back then I struggled to get 1800 as a DH in legion I was doing rated bgs and 90% of the time u always going to be playing vengeance cuz DH were great FCs back then
got to 1690, now im at 1595 rating from so many loses š
ok jut had to full reboot WoW false alarm :)
Im Gna Crash Out
mm, bm and a ele. fun lobby
Is it colors around the models themselves?
That's crazy
Thank God This Season over
got it to work
Ketchup and mustard yummers
Cheats?
You can always sim it or try it out on a pvp dummy to see if it's an improvement
Is the 730 tier?
they arent but you can sim stats then cut crit in half or w/e
in general though the weights are misleading because
vers is powerful cos of defensive aspect
yeah
and haste is very "pve"
if you get kited
haste loses value
if you cancel a cast
haste loses value
you can FAIL haste
you cant rly fail vers or mastery
especially this late into the season where everything hits hard
I felt very powerful but very squishy in my pve gear last night lol
If you have a good amount of verse, you can use it for the str. But just going with the 717 ain't a bad choice
my verse is low, only 25% in pvp
Prob go with that pvp peice then
if you want to copy gear just copy this person IMO i think this is the best arms warrior player in the entire game other than a few outliers
𤷠Hard to copy with limited conquest
well you can get an infinite amount just farm it up i believe
do you want me to help you i can heal you on my evoker and we can just play like 2v2 and you can attack person and ill help
okie if you need conquest easier and fast i got you
ive never wanted to log out more than this glad grind haha
zzz cupid and phdk
boutta say fuck it
What comp ya playing
brother just train the hunter and keep it simple
use cc on the healer
and donāt get 1 shot by volley
and if hunters low cross the ret so that they canāt peel with random piss lay or random piss
2500 was rank 2000, 2514 is rank 1600? wtf
so many people hit 2500 and quit
title alts iirc
Doesnt each bracket have a top 0.1% title? or is that only solo shuffle
everybody floats around elite cutoff for wins
some seasons 2400 is top 1500 and 2385 is like 500
er other way around

You qin now?
yuh
Gonna run you down with this racist Australian guy
do it
Gratz!
NICE big grats
Grats thatās huge
Hey guys I just started doing arenas again after like a couple years. Is everyone slayer in arena?
for arms, sorry forgot to specify
Not a warrior 2/10
Pash is part of the cool chat now yay
I wish dracthyr had more mog customiation
In what way
Like in dragon form?
Cause their human form has the single most customization iirc
future customization
Iām just a pvp tourist itās okay
I love those shoulders. The black and the elite version are bis
Is there like a safe amount of vers I should have? I'm playing at like 1800 MMR but now I'm starting to get wrecked from using my pve gear at 729 ilvl.
30%+
Okay thanks
Vers is so important you'd be better off in honour gear
Unless you have high Ilvl vers pieces, or high-ish Ilvl tier pieces
Those ones can still be used in pvp
W šŖ
at the very least 30% vers
Yeah Im starting to hit the wall now at 1600. I think I gotta just recraft some gear. Expansion over anyway.
I am happy that I was able to get this far in a couple hours. These queues are really long.
I also can use this with my fierce gladiator elite shoulders. Same color scheme. Looks great.
1800 is just a few lucky games from 1600. You can do it
Thank you. Iāll keep trying again tomorrow itās 5am lmao
I feel like Iām 17 again doing an all nighter and about to start school š¤¦āāļø

what
we got ome last minute changes before pre-patch
since warrior is balanced we didnt got any
just found funny that shadowbolt got a 60% ppv nerg
afflic too
amazing nerf
It is for Midnight brother
lmao
it said it was the changes for the pre-patch
Also who knows
we are in for some crazy ficking shit
yeah pre-patch tuning is never made for tww
or current expansion
it is always keeping the midnight changes in mind
Not that it always does good or anything
but this is not balancing for tww
Cant wait for prepatch and midnight launch to fuck everything up
Especially since they havent looked at cooldown visibility
Warriors should be fine since we didnt got many gameplay changes
Sinister strike 311% buff is funny lmfao
fundamentally the same class
Arms has changed a ton going into midnight
hunters got fucked
Purely based on rotational stuff
since slam is now a major thing AGAIN
I find it funny how they can never decide what slam should be
i think that is more changing priority, fundamentally you just press overpower+MS+slam when you can
now slam is more important
I mean yeah, that is most specs
Most specs arent receiving a huge overhaul
Isnt it pretty much only Unholy that is being changed entirely?
Because people found the festering wounds gameplay to be awful
hunter is changing a lot, MM and survival
not just as much as unholy
i think rogues and warlocks will get some big changes too
i mean fundamentally
is anything changing
Unholy is being entirely redesigned
Like not just priority shifting and abilities being removed and some being added back
but an entire rework
i always only liked playing Unholy as DK
i dunno if i will like unholy rework
but also never really liked the wounds play
Frost is awful
Necrotic strike was the jam
hold W, do some dmg with 20 different sources and still die first
Canāt you play like pure disease build too?
Anything new with Ret?
redesigned to be a game journalist god gamer unkillable spec
(to make game more accessible)
Changed priority
Baked some abilities together
Removed a few things
Biggest thing is crusader strike being back
Okay I heard almost 0 info on Ret besides people saying āyeah it will probably be goodā
I know my ex did that
Hey, any experienced warriors in 2x2, how do you deal with dh? They always 2x my dmg, always losing to them =\
Sit on their healer until it dies
So just healer DPS race? Is there any other comps where I should pump healer?
Ye the necromancer approach aināt really my jam.
It depends on the healer. Realistically you need to swap a bit sometimes.
2s just comes down to pure dmg though when itās healer melee vs healer melee. So youāre being best by dh because youāre probably not doing enough dmg.
DH can die too for sure if you can force cds early
Iād probably pop on the DH in the opener and try to get some cds
its rarely bad bad
I might be switching off ret however
if I am gonna become a LFG gamer
fotm reroller confirmed
why not just play with friends?
Have no healer
Dont want to drag Kargish on if my time is limited
cba trying to plan stuff snymore
much easier to go a spec that has a ton of comps

is it only me or arena on beta realy feels much slower then retail
I have legion vibes
It's like this every time
no full gear
no max lv
wdym
so everything will feel shit
I am on server with pvp vendor
ah you mean already at the max lv
ye
so well, they were going to slow down the game, so maybe is that
feels good actualy with less pressure on hp bar
You would have too much fun if they just let you transfer conq
It's better this way
Season ends next week?
@bright kraken glad yet?
thats good
In general it is expected
Arms?
yeah i got it a few hours ago
gz
.
Shmassive, congrats!
Also, why fuck me?
idk, i needed something nice

i have opened i dunno how many ands still no crap
This hunter main coming in here with that name
new dh spec will save the game
you changed spec
: )
Yeah from this MM glad lookin' ass. It's kind of fucked up
ah
true
im a warrior, cant read :v
wait so.... i get different rating depending if im prot or arms/fury? crap, should have played arms
well yeah
if it applied to all the specs itd be very problematic for specs who can heal/tank
Only for the solo modes
good to know, thanks, now to keep waiting for a match, 29m and going up lol
L o l
Thats my gif
Eerr, meme
Wtf
my meme now
1974
Must the damn honor system be so grindy...
Lemme bypass it with my hoard of Marks of Honor or something
or conq points even
Get bullied kid
You wouldnt bully a guy with glasses would yoy
That's the preferred demographic

damn
What even is this move
Freaky as shit action icon
He doesn't even have glasses on
he noticed
Warrior talent icon
Which one
Vicious contempt iirc
Youāre right
Soulbind Conduit
World PvP
Are you enjoying getting slaughtered by a tank with 300 random buffs
You don't pvp for crates kek
The warmode airdrops?
I have to on my server
You're doing it wrong
Lead has addon to phase hop. Look a box every few mins
Kek
dude windows 11 fucking blows btw
since i got this new pc with w11
ive had so many bugs
now my monitor is doing audio instead of my headphones
I debloated tf out of mine
sush shorty
ur right im actually 3 feet tall
Just get conq then?
i need more than 600
wait nvm those are the purple ones wtf
where are the red ones
damn.
Is my guy going for 2.1
No
No
He can't even spec out of blood
Kate
It says Kennie

You need aliases if you're going to be a furry
Kate, Kayn, Julius, Lillian, Henry, Jayne, Gou, Casey, Caleb, Lewis
Is me
Setting up Lexi and Charlotte today

How does kennie get these names
dead servers
Yes dead servers (sargers stormrage and malganis)
Julius is such a cool fucking name
Inside blizz connections
Stormrage is huge isn't it
Oh shush you with your PvE servers
lmao
Failed PvEr casting judgment on me
Such an obvious botting gold seller
Donāt know how that guy isnāt banned
24/7 spamming trade advertising his profs, doesnāt even play the game. 0 io, 0 rating, 0 raid bosses killed. Totally nothing sus goin on there
its how he feeds his family
Qfiend tryna SNITCH rn
I actually have his discord qfiend if u want to talk to him
Iām not really sure if this game should be subsiding these people
He provides a service
Subsidizing*
all talk no action
Too bad, makes blizz money
smh..
He bots
Yeah
yeah
We shouldn't subsidize more people in america, yet we do
God tryna put down a true worker
an Enterpreneur
its why DBM and stuff gets away with typing in chat for you
Heās not even workin. Heās sitting at home while the game plays itself living on your dollar
Free weps wooo
He is trying his hardest!!!
Clicks a button
whatever
didnt know qfiend was a stormrage enthusiast
can i count on you as a customer come midnight
Qfiend is a fucking snitch
Khailby, 2100 when?
Nice, when itll have 3 seaons
thats the joke leland good job
You don't make jokes
Expand it to DPS
ill have to talk to stormy about unholy some time then
Isn't he like just pushing 1800?
I've gotten several UH 1800s
so who else is there
I could hit 2100 as it too
But no point since I already get 2400 asa war
kek
DK set this season blows tho
So
Ye
not wrong
But you need the practice anyways
season 1 reloaded on cod @spice hornet
dk set this season and last have been ass cheeks lol @lavish quest
wish they'd nerf the maddox already
so boring half the enemy team is using it. then the other half is like quickscoping or shotgunning
lame sht
yeah I've been doing challenges havent played meta wep really. I have like 17 arclights
except level 250 prestige m4a1 I used the most haha
i think i figured out how this game works
inb4 'its so joever'
She paid the cabal
its time to finally reveal it
guys
i am part of cabal
i know some r1s and got in
i decide who loses and who wins
you're welcome
Hi, I'm starting with PvP. What are the first cconquest items I should buy? I bought 2 trinkets and have a bit over 2k conquest left. Ring/necks I think I should craft. And which weapon should I buy?
Iām on Stormrage
Itās all Billymayss and racist politics in /2
get free weapons once you get 2.5k conquest
weapons > big pieces > smaller pieces > smallest pieces
oh right i forgot
big pieces > smaller pieces > smallest pieces
Yeah I got the two tokens, but which one I should buy
btw that other hunter is another survival , so i just outplayed ANOTHER SURVIVAL
the greatsword
big pieces > smaller pieces > smallest pieces
Ive read we stay at 4 piece S3 set, so no conquest items on these slots?
as god intended
good
Started as Fury. Prot I don't get invites š
all it took was rerolling from warr to something normal like survi @bright kraken
for just general gearing
Thank your, will take a look
Do NOT trust the many 4 piece tbh
dude survival was always my main whatchu mean
not in pvp tho
you played arms lmao
i just did arms in s3-s4 because i knew i was too shit to get it
as sv
is this it? is this my calling to push r1?
R1 in 3s?
i appreciate youy for feeding into my delusions but im smart enough to know it ain't happening
Fury is unironically the worst 3s spec in the game (ignroing tank specS).
Yep
Push ss r1 for sure
WW?
aug?
yeah man wtf
Enhance is far better
tremor
In 3s
headass
?
STFU THEN
I clarified before your fucking retirement home ass even began to type
@sharp meteor
HOLY CAPS BATMAN
help they're feeding into my delusions
blasphemous
Go back to sniffing memes
i appreciate this chat is the perfect breed of helpful and toxic
it's close but I would say WW is slightly better
idk WW can't go another DPS spec
they are sort of fuck-forced into WW
Affli?
Or is every Affli just playing destro now
because Destro is disgusting
Frost dk?
Multiple one in range
Alright you win this one
I am only looking at EU though
maybe US has more freaks
Outlaw?
If taking away you know, the two best rogue players in the game
and arguably the best WoW player in the game
wow bro just found out?
Outlaw is good now
Woyer worst class
Take away Whaazz and brunhity and there are two outlaws at 2.7+
wwho was that guy that said warrior is good in classic when people thought it was shit
WW is absolutely worse than Fury though
we need that guy to play fury in 3s please
Thatās 2 more than the 0 fury
0 r1s for either in EU
but 11 furies above 2.7 compared to the 2 WWs
Affli either way
@elfin surge what are your thoughts on whats worse fury or ww
Only 2 ppl play ww
I mean worst case we just say Affliction
So 100% of ww above 2700
iots very close so its hard to say. and im not tryna be biased. but i feel like WW is slightly tankier
both bad ww better though

