pvp

[midnight cloud]

Ohhh okok, thank u

Got it, thank u for the assurance. I’ll improve my gameplay 😊

[copper fox]

So many people hitting 1800 it’s great. Besides 1 guy tho

[midnight cloud]

Thank u as well Kennie

Okay I will do my best and grind my way there.

I really appreciate all the sharings and feedback

[fringe flicker]

hell I cant even hit 1800 this season.. got to 1673.. now at 1560..

[midnight cloud]

U guys have a blessed evening!

[copper fox]

Just need to do more damage

[fringe flicker]

I agree.. but.. with the cc.. nearly impossible lol

[copper fox]

Definitely not impossible because almost 1000 warriors above 1500 do it. Maybe you’re chasing 1 target too hard

(In ss)

[worldly oriole]

I got to 2330 then Bigdam turbo lobby cabaled me @copper fox

[copper fox]

lol what happened

[worldly oriole]

I got a lobby into turbo and big dam lol he did well but I didn't

[copper fox]

Who’s turbo

[worldly oriole]

it was war enhance

[copper fox]

Ah

[worldly oriole]

for 2 rounds

[novel crater]

Woo 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[copper fox]

What was the other dps

[worldly oriole]

other dps was a boomer

[fickle forge]

@fierce elm

[wheat jay]

afro boutta pull up like this in a second

[wheat jay]

as you can see there are TWO warlocks

op as fuck, nerf locks buff ret anticaster capabilities

[wheat jay]

nerf top 3

buff the rest

so i can be #1 op spec

and enjoy it

actually, this is current 2400+ shuffle

[copper fox]

Agreed nerf arms without it touching fury

[wheat jay]

but ehy, could be biased or something

so this is 2200+

[copper fox]

Buff fury

[fickle forge]

Where warrior

[wheat jay]

gone

reduced to atoms

CUZ NO WARRIOR CAN PLAY THIS GAME

99% of warriors suck so haaaaaaaaaaaaard

[lavish quest]

I chase 1 target endlessly like a regard and even I can get up there with that strat

[fickle forge]

I watch regards pre-wall my CDs and then collect my elo on the first Demolish when it ends

[wheat jay]

happened like waht

5 times yesterday xD?

[frank knoll]

Ret nerf in PvP, they will shut their discord down again

[sharp meteor]

rets finally viable and everybody crying

[wheat jay]

finally viable?

op as fuck man xD

[rancid granite]

Just change searing glare I'm gonna uninstall if I get hit with it one more time

[wheat jay]

not that big of an issue at higher rating ngl

me

cleaving 2 targets

and pets

ret

pure player dmg xD

[sharp meteor]

wish it had the middle of screen cc'd thing

[wheat jay]

st

[sharp meteor]

cba with a weakaura to say when it ends

[rancid granite]

I'll take that too

[fierce elm]

Artji still thinking I am defending ret

[wheat jay]

no

i am just stating ret is op

as fuck

[fierce elm]

I remember when it was MM lmao

[fierce elm]

high rating

what

[frank knoll]

Yeah they need to make searing glare instant cast

[wheat jay]

?

[fierce elm]

what

[wheat jay]

?

[fickle forge]

what

[wheat jay]

ayyy almost 2100 xD

can i have rets again pls?

[rancid granite]

hot take ret isn't op it's just most simple class in game

easier than fury

[sharp meteor]

thats not a hot take

ret is literally the "i died ot murlocs on warrior" spec

[wheat jay]

both?

[rancid granite]

very luke warm take

[fierce elm]

Very luke warm take

[rancid granite]

its like dh/warr/ret, whichever is most meta everyone flocks to it

[grand basin]

feel like my damage is kind of flat in shuffle..is there a tangible difference between arms and fury damage/kill potential currently?

[fickle forge]

Not particularily no

Arms has an actual burst though

[urban skiff]

Ret isn't OP, just popular

Reddit losing their shit over it

[jovial torrent]

they need to hurry up and reduce dmg slightly, i feel like im trolling if i go in for a stun or try glare

[urban skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1n4otla/naeu_solo_shuffle_18002100_dps_participation/

[urban skiff]

make them choose between lay on hands or bubble

[jovial torrent]

im playing holy

[fickle forge]

They just need to remove glare and make ret not top the meters with the one button rotation

[fierce elm]

its both

Or rather, its above everyone else in SS, below the top tier specs in 3s, good in blitz

But nobody wants a nuances take on it

Its the same when warrior is above the rest of the pack

or when DH is

[north thicket]

we don't have enough data, end of Dec tunning

[fierce elm]

But r/worldofpvp shares about one braincell

While Blizzard is waiting to tune I am guessing

to see where everything lands with gear

[urban skiff]

just wait until enhancement peaks and everybody rerolls.

[fierce elm]

due to having an absurd long season

[urban skiff]

reddit isn't ready for that kind of shift in meta

[fickle forge]

I would have alted enh right now if it was a spec

[fierce elm]

However, worldofpvp and nobody here wants to use their little brain lmao

[wheat jay]

this made me chuckle lmao

[fierce elm]

Instead they flock to the echo chamber jerking each other off

[urban skiff]

Did you try my build or are you still trying to make dogs+haste stacking stormbringer a thing?

[wheat jay]

wiat

wait

that graph is fucking 1800-2100

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[sharp meteor]

there are sometimes healers in blitz who'll afk with a tank

[fierce elm]

Thats the top echelon of r/worldofpvp posters

[sharp meteor]

but both teams have oe

[fickle forge]

I'm watching Loveless roll off of enh, and every enh I ever face doing 50% the dam of all other melees

[sharp meteor]

smartest bg disc

[fierce elm]

lmao

[fickle forge]

33% when it comes to UDK

[urban skiff]

they're all trying to play haste with dogs

[wheat jay]

good, deserved

[urban skiff]

I have no idea why they decided that's the play

[fickle forge]

We can talk about it when you beat them

[fierce elm]

(its also pretty funny because a spec being strong in ss unless its gamebreaking doesnt impact rhe other specs)

due to rankings being individual

[urban skiff]

I already did. I'm still playing

the only way to lose is to stop playing

[wheat jay]

r1 rankings are

[fickle forge]

You haven't though

[fierce elm]

Quite literally Ret can remain like this and not be impactful to anyone else

[wheat jay]

people care cuz they hate facing ret 4/6 rounds

[fickle forge]

They've Q'd up and peakee higher

[urban skiff]

I'm still rank 11 in 2v2

[fierce elm]

I hated facing Affli all of s1

[fickle forge]

We disregard 2v2

[fierce elm]

I hated facing warriors all of s2

[urban skiff]

That's your mistake 😄

[fickle forge]

2v2 is the for fun bracket

[fierce elm]

There is ALWAYS a spec like this

[urban skiff]

even more reason to play 2s then

[fierce elm]

Remember DF DH

remember s2 Arms

Remember s1 Fury

[wheat jay]

just because X was broken in past seasons, doesnt mean Y should be broken now

👍

[fierce elm]

Fury wasnt longlasting until it came back

[fierce elm]

Thats not what I am saying

and you know this

I am not defending ret

but with ret nerfed its gonna be DH

lmao

[north thicket]

Ret MS wen moon?!

[wheat jay]

HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[urban skiff]

You Play 3s Because Of The Challenge.

I Play 3s Because There's An Extra Target To Kill.

We Are Not The Same.

@worldly oriole

[wheat jay]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[north thicket]

I am not defending Ret, pls give them MS

[fierce elm]

With DH gone its boomkin/arcane

[wheat jay]

melee lobby

[fickle forge]

You're gonna lose this lobby

[north thicket]

100% uptime, 30% MS effect

[fierce elm]

There must always be a king

[wheat jay]

100% lmao

watch me go 0-6

[urban skiff]

better dodge those stuns man

[wheat jay]

bro imma meta them

[worldly oriole]

[fickle forge]

3 favourable comps, it's over for you

[wheat jay]

and flip

xD

[urban skiff]

You should play the immo gimmick build so you can melt their faces while stunned

[fierce elm]

dk 6-0

[fickle forge]

It should be Artji 6-0

[urban skiff]

2-4

my call

[fickle forge]

The rest are in 2-4 positions

[worldly oriole]

2-4

[fickle forge]

Close 2nd call is the warr

[wheat jay]

ele died instant

sadge

[fierce elm]

In an indeal world

Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world

[wheat jay]

ye but ele didnt use wall or anything

🙁

[north thicket]

he could take 2+ rounds against the balance no?

[fickle forge]

He has the deck stacked with him

[jovial torrent]

[wheat jay]

ye but noobs are on both teams

[fierce elm]

crazy balance druid

[wheat jay]

including me

[worldly oriole]

Imagine If You Only Got Ideal Lobbies What Your CR Would Be @urban skiff @fierce elm

[fierce elm]

0

or about the same

I play Ret

[fickle forge]

Afro only has ideal lobbies

He's on ret

No lobby sucks for him

[fierce elm]

but you can ask me that any time on any spec

[violet fossil]

that dk should be top wtf

[fierce elm]

I aint coping over here

[wheat jay]

ele died instantlky again

[fierce elm]

rets are cleaving dk pets a lot

[wheat jay]

well

[fickle forge]

You gotta subtract all the pet damage

[wheat jay]

this is a funny lobby ngl

xD

[fierce elm]

told ya

DK 6-0 watch it

[fickle forge]

Or Artji 0-6

We're never Q'ing 3s again if you lose this lobby brother

[wheat jay]

ele died 3rd time insta

rounds are like 20 seconds

maybe 25

[fierce elm]

Oh no

DPS diff

[fickle forge]

Buff enh

[sharp meteor]

rank 11 on a spec 0 people play is something

[wheat jay]

4th death of ele

now im with warrior

and warr does lowest dps here in this lobby

xD

[sharp meteor]

somebody on forums mentioned being rank 20 sham and i asked when and where cos they were like 1600 exp and they were like 2k on enh in blitz a year ago

[wheat jay]

ye dk going 6-0 100%

XD

nvm

he went 5-1 cuz we nuked him at the end lmao

wtf is dk dmg XD?

[worldly oriole]

I just got enhance geared

in greens

[fierce elm]

FUCK

I told you

UHDK is the most disgusting spec in the game

[sharp meteor]

dk is second worst melee

unh with 4pc might be aight tho

[worldly oriole]

unholy does unhealable damage usually if you live to second cooldowns

[wheat jay]

2nd?

bro noone living 1st set xD

[copper fox]

Fury warriors counter UHDK

By just shooting the 1s and killing them

I love killing dks

[wheat jay]

no you dont counter shit lmao

youre just a non-threat that eventaully kills something when damp is high

sorry

[sharp meteor]

fury is design has to demolish unholy shadow etc

if it doesnt spec unplayable

[fickle forge]

Where's your damage?

[wheat jay]

dude

dk just broken

xD

[fickle forge]

That's like 1M dps when I subtract the pets

[wheat jay]

on 1st?

i t was like 75% on players

or so

WHY IS ARMS CHASING ARCANE

WITH RET

WHEN HE CAN JUST HIT RET!??!?!?!?!?!??!!

ok he deserves every loss his way

jesus christ

[jovial torrent]

we got this artji, i do cleanse

[wheat jay]

xD

[jovial torrent]

i cant outheal he arcne

[wheat jay]

bro they dont even know who to hit

they're swapping randomly targets XD

[worldly oriole]

Sounds like a shit lob @wheat jay

[jovial torrent]

XD

[wheat jay]

XD

[jovial torrent]

dude

this game

i hate it

[wheat jay]

bro we're in the same lobby hahahhaha

choppah is healing

[jovial torrent]

i had so many buttons but surely war wont die in 2 seconds

this is a 4-2 for me

its fucked

[rancid granite]

4-2 as a healer thats like +2cr

[wheat jay]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[jovial torrent]

sry i mean 2-4

maybe even 5-1

[wheat jay]

bro

this is

[jovial torrent]

this is a counter lobby to my build

[wheat jay]

beyond me

bro this is counter lobby to my brain

laaaaaaaag

[worldly oriole]

It's the lobbie 🤠

[jovial torrent]

sheesh -54

worst game of the day

[wheat jay]

holy fuck man xD

[jovial torrent]

i just cant keep up witht he hps when priests get absorb

[wheat jay]

btw, where my hoj dispel 🙁

[jovial torrent]

i was gcd locked spamming heal

[wheat jay]

rip

dude at some point i was just looking at my bars like "waht else can i press for them" XD

[jovial torrent]

thats why atm i say speccing glare/rep feels like a fucking troll

i dont have time to cast it, i didnt even get to cast judge much it felt like

and i cant rep priest cus he will just death or fade it

if i run through dps for hoj im just in for a bad time too

[wheat jay]

yep

[jovial torrent]

typical the one lobby i get with u is dogshit for me lol

[wheat jay]

xD

fam

warrior was terrible

why would he go for arcane, with 0 freedoms on his team

against arcane

[jovial torrent]

i feel like i have the advantage in dk spriest rogue lobbies cus i can dispel, but in raw burst dmg like mm arcane boomy

[wheat jay]

with two

[jovial torrent]

i cant outheal it

i wanted to rep the dps but war was randomly switching tar

theres a melee heal like lightsmith build i wan try

its like auto cast massive dawn of light on wog

[wheat jay]

same lol

like, im swapping all the time

to hit same target as him

cuz he was either hitting wrong target, or lining everything xD

[worldly oriole]

It's cool I got shit on too @jovial torrent

-50 some last game I played

[fierce kite]

I feel so squishy in pvp man. Even with 27% vers, feel like i need to live in def stance

[fickle forge]

You should be lightsmith yeah

Herald blows

[jovial torrent]

they seem kind of even atm, ive played both to 2100

[tribal wedge]

27% is pretty low atm

[fierce kite]

ah fair enough, thats my problem then

about to recraft my jewlerly. hopefully will help

do you guys seeing Arms or fury being the better spec in shuffle long term?

[tribal wedge]

pretty equal, play the one you are the more familiar

[jovial torrent]

been seeing both, fury warrior burst is a bit scarier but i feel like arms randomly wins when dampen is high and sharpen goes off

[fickle forge]

You lack CDs as herald though

2 min CD wings blows

[jovial torrent]

yeh, lightsmith i think has more pressure cus of the dmg and slows im leaving

but herald just has raw heals

i think once dmg i tuned a bit and herald can cast cc itll take over

[fickle forge]

It's not so much that

You're gonna have a gap with no CDs available cause of long wings

[jovial torrent]

theres some lightsmith running melee wings and dawn of light

[fickle forge]

Ye

That's ideal Imo

[jovial torrent]

u can get it to be like 145% stronger dawnlight and it procs on wog every 20 sec

[fierce kite]

Noted, thank you

[jovial torrent]

its annoying how hunter trap is setup with stun

makes it so hard to juke it, just have to throw out the sanc and hope they are stupid

welp im tilted

done for the day pl lining me

im just completely lost

i cant land cc on priests, my teammates line the fuck out of me so i have to waste ms and cd's

i have dps run up to me to cast their repentence on me and my dps just fucking watches

meanwhile enemy hunters have counter shot on kickbot .1ms

[fickle forge]

Why are you trying to land CC into that though

[jovial torrent]

i wasnt

but then it feels like a auto loss to hps

where priest just gets absorbs and reductions

[fickle forge]

And you have immunities

[jovial torrent]

its hard cus i have to blow them cus of bad position or ppl dieing in a stun>trap

just some comps feel unwinnable

especially when enemy healer is priest

[fickle forge]

Yeah but you have the advantage vs priest

[jovial torrent]

does not feel like it

what gives me adv over priest?

[fickle forge]

You have stronger CDs and equal HPS

I'm assuming this is Hpriest

[jovial torrent]

feels like priest just gets to go their spirit form, where i press bubble and it gets removed

bop insta dispelled

[fickle forge]

You're hopefully hitting BoP high into double purge

It's just a 2nd trinket for your dps

[jovial torrent]

ye usually try to get spear breaks, karma breaks or bop just before i get cc

[fickle forge]

Yeah that's all you can do

Sometimes healing shuffle is just what it is

[jovial torrent]

yeh

i dunno what i can do to climb past 2150, anything i think i could try i cant really do, cus im gcd locked spamming heals

[fickle forge]

Aggro play mostly

[jovial torrent]

i think i need to play herald and just spam rep cus atleast then i can cast wog if i get sileneced

[fickle forge]

Better to overcommit than play for dampening if you wanna influence the game on heals

[urban skiff]

gonna mess around with hpal, what partner do i look for in 2s?

[fierce elm]

dh

[worldly oriole]

just had a good lower body session

thanks for asking

[fickle forge]

just had a good chili cheese burger

[worldly oriole]

they had cheeseburger doritos at sams club

but I didn't buy

trying to get in peak shape

[jovial torrent]

rice chicken eggs with my sweet teriyaki sauce tonight

[worldly oriole]

and the peanut butter jelly popcorn samples they gave out tasted like a grape cigar lol

[urban skiff]

dh hpal?

[fickle forge]

You should play with @wheat jay

[urban skiff]

idk, i hear he's tox

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

[fierce elm]

yes

[fickle forge]

yes

[wheat jay]

xD

[urban skiff]

fury warriors any comments?

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[wheat jay]

xD

[urban skiff]

tbh I'd whip you in shape so fast

never swear again

Get some of that stronk shoulder energy

Big belly is for laughing

[worldly oriole]

Enh Chami has so many buttons

[urban skiff]

nah

I haven't had to adapt anything to make shaman work

[worldly oriole]

i dont play lava lash?

or is it a light up button

its on my bars

[urban skiff]

what

why

whyyyy

also i have fewer binds on lash

[worldly oriole]

i took it off my bars

gives more space fo sho

[worldly oriole]

had crash lightning on it too

do yoou press lava burst

[urban skiff]

no

because i play the fun spec

but if i played lava lash I'd be doing ice strike ele blast frost shock combos all day

ignore the lava burst on my bars, it's just a weird thing happening when swapping specs occasionally

[worldly oriole]

i use flametongue and windfury on weps?

lightning shield + earth

[urban skiff]

#showtooltip
/use [@player,combat,nomod] Skyfury
/castsequence [@player,nocombat,nomod] [@player,mod:shift] reset=10 Skyfury,Lightning Shield,Windfury Weapon(Weapon Imbue),Flametongue Weapon(Weapon Imbue)

use this macro for buffing

if it gets stuck in shuffle in between rounds hold shift and press through it

[worldly oriole]

Lol youtube has warcraft ads

its spamming me about midnight

[urban skiff]

What you doing, playing with a paladin?

[worldly oriole]

I know it didnt go well first game

Dunno if ret enhance is the move

[urban skiff]

It could be, if you pick the right talents

[worldly oriole]

He's a challenger lol

[urban skiff]

Double dps means you start at low damp even in 2s. It could work for a while.

[worldly oriole]

i was doin 3s

trying to atleast

for cap

[urban skiff]

but you're going to need these for staying alive if you're going to do doubledps

And apparently you play lash so lol

no access to the most important talent for the chunky 15m heals

surging currents is not per tempest cast. It's per tempest hit

So if you land a 10msw tempest on a pet group you'll immediately have access to a chunky heal

shit shuffles so no good data

[worldly oriole]

I definitely need to learn more about enhance no clue whats going on so many procs lol

[urban skiff]

Are you playing totemic lash yes or no?

[worldly oriole]

I would have to log on him and see logged off

[urban skiff]

every time you drop your totem you get 3 balls, consuming the fire one with lava lash gives you hot hands, so first lash after totem drop starts a sequence where you lash every other global and hit highest value attack you have available next with the other global until hot hands expires

Consuming the air one gives your totem 3 stacks of increased damage

so you're going to hit a sequence where you drop totem -> ice strike -> 10 msw ele blast -> frost shock -> start lava lash sequence

you're also going to have primordial wave/storm every single totem so that's also part of your go

i think i used to do

totem -> flameshock (spreads it)
then
primordial wave -> doggos
then hit the 3combo
then lash sequence

lash sequence could go lash -> primordial storm -> lash -> ice strike -> lash -> ele blast -> lash -> frost shock

[worldly oriole]

lol the enhance dream is dead

too complicated

[fickle forge]

Enh will leave Dragonflight soon

It'll play TWW next expansion

[wheat jay]

im bored 🙁

who wants to q

[urban skiff]

Me, but can't. Putting both kids to bed and then have to eat the dinner i spent 2 hours making

[wheat jay]

sheesh

[worldly oriole]

sketchy lob

[urban skiff]

Imagine enh getting overhaul like fdk got

[fickle forge]

I sure hope it will cause it's dysfunctional in PvP

It's apparently a giga blaster in PvE though

[green anchor]

have not seen a single enh in m+

[green wharf]

you dont see then in pvp either

[green anchor]

then again m+ players are fotm slaves

[jovial torrent]

ive seen a couple, they were very squishy

[fickle forge]

I saw 1

[fast basalt]

so the pins saying we use 2pc, is that because of current tier struggles etc and conquest cap, or is it no matter time of the season you stick at 2pc and thats bis?

[sharp meteor]

It's because 4pc slayer requires taking crit pieces for a bad bonus.

[urban skiff]

for now

they haven't done tier balance passes yet

[sharp meteor]

[fast basalt]

but surely having 1100 crit stat is worth the 4pc

i dunno

oh its more isnt it im looking at the items set panel, they are 662 ilvl haha

[sharp meteor]

Well, no, they're conquest ilev.

It's that reap does no dmg in pvp and it procs a 50% strength reap.

[rancid granite]

going full 7 piece tier on colossus I can't wait

[fast basalt]

im ready then

2pc and greens

lets fckin goooo

whats the meta option atm out of the two specs?

they were pretty even last season no?

[rancid granite]

they seem perty even about now too for slayer

col seems good thane seems eh

[fast basalt]

hope its op as fuck, i am terrible at warr pvp

i main surv

but i gotta get that set

im just so bad at keeping on targets with only charge and leap

and hamstring

[green wharf]

they even nerfed thane set for prot

and didnt touch fury

[rancid granite]

[fast basalt]

whats the main ones that counter fury that i should watch out for?

im guessing mage?

[tribal holly]

Player skill

[green wharf]

anything ranged, paladin

monk and dh maybe

[worldly oriole]

Enhance Shammy Overhaul Should Give Them Double Jump lol

[green anchor]

@fast basalt play Fury, get Death Wish talent, kill healers

[fast basalt]

welll im fucked then @tribal holly

[copper fox]

Pally mage hunters good rogues dev boomy

All really dependent on players though

[tribal holly]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-dirt-league-vldl-souls-logic-dark-souls-git-gud-gif-19856700

[copper fox]

I’ve been finding mages easier to deal with this season than good boomys tho

[fast basalt]

i saw the top slayer was using death wish, ait ima try it

probs is a death wish in my gear though

[copper fox]

In what bracket

Only works in blitz

[fast basalt]

solo i checked

[copper fox]

No one is using dw in solo

lol

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

[rancid granite]

skill check to notice when someone is obviously playing bad, tilted, lagging etc doesn't matter class or mmr

[fast basalt]

yeah maybe hes in his blitz build then, but its the top guy in solo.

[sharp meteor]

Like if you think they won't notice and you have a teammate that's being trained

[fast basalt]

has deathwish on now

[sharp meteor]

But in general playing dw and stacking it in solo just gonna get your ass disenchanted

really good in blitz ofc

if you're ahead you stay ahead

[copper fox]

Yea it’s 100% un viable in solo

[sharp meteor]

and on defense they cant afford to tab you

[fast basalt]

ait thankyou, what should i take inplace for solo? the disarm or the enrage on slow one?

[copper fox]

Enrage generally

Disarm when there’s a warrior, FDK, rogue, mm hunter, enhance

[fast basalt]

the thing that is gonna be REAAAALLY annoying for me, is remembering to change the fibre

[rancid granite]

disarm on enh?? til

[fast basalt]

i've been rocking my mastery in cloak on mm pve for a week :/

[sharp meteor]

ya cos ascend bangs

esp the second one when heals stop workin

[tribal holly]

Does it increase the damage you take?

[copper fox]

Mandatory

[sharp meteor]

Yuh 10% more dmg and 10% more dmg taken.

and you can't cancelaura it

[tribal holly]

Only?

[sharp meteor]

fury is squish enough so

if you get caught in cc or burst its just over

really good in blitz although i feel like i only really see yermal always play it

[tribal holly]

I wonder if it affects the spell reflected damage

[green wharf]

i think cuz not many people are playing frost

[sharp meteor]

idk but i rebounded a chaos bolt and 100-0'd a lock last seas

[green wharf]

if i dont die by some 10m arcane volley or whatever

i can deal with then fine too

[rancid granite]

can't cancel dw btw lol

[copper fox]

He said that

[copper fox]

Yea I agree

[fast basalt]

i can probably get away with that wep till conq one cant i?

[worldly oriole]

GD this a sketch lob

[fierce elm]

You can

[fast basalt]

nice, the proc on it might actually be alright

guessin its 50% nerfed in pvp tho

[rancid granite]

i appreciate the half naked barbarian (lizard) aesthetic you got going

[fast basalt]

hahahah thankyouj

i like it too

i just realised i got a problem though

how important is onslaught?

[fierce elm]

really important

[rancid granite]

that's like the opener

reck>onslaught>rampage

fury is about how many times you can press rampage and if its on cd hit onslaught ez

[wheat jay]

ye i think thats enough shuffle for today lmao

bro i do 1bil dmg

dk does 1.3bil xD

incomparable haha

[fast basalt]

ahhh shit, ive got a bit of a hand dexterity problem

and not really a good free bind for it

v is the best i can do i think

wait no, i needed v for stance change

[green wharf]

wish blizzard did those lizards instead

[rancid granite]

they look more dragon-like lol

almost forget they're supposed to be dragon bros lol

[wheat jay]

i wish they didnt do lizard at all

and made dh spec two expansions earlier

👍

[fast basalt]

@wheat jay nah fuck that glide is underated

and can stay perma human form if not an evoker

[green wharf]

you mean perma elf form

[wheat jay]

but youre a scaly furry or whatever inside

[green anchor]

in tbc

[boreal veldt]

daily reminder of slam being generally better than execute for colossus

[sharp meteor]

lmao

bonk

[tribal wedge]

what the ?

[boreal veldt]

bonk

[green wharf]

i saw yesterday, i killed two people with a slam sweeping strike

the crit is absurd

[tribal wedge]

what's your build to deal this high?

[boreal veldt]

you don't want this

[novel crater]

U never press ww change that keybind for onslaught and u should be fine. Unbind ww

[boreal veldt]

no but for real 31% mast and taking Barbaric Training is really all you need to hit the 3.2-3.6mil range

[fierce elm]

200% crit chance

[boreal veldt]

slam pvp damage doesn't reflect on pvp dummies btw

[boreal veldt]

you know how mad i get when i still whiff an ms crit with the 4p tier buff

[fierce elm]

lmfao

its like it was made to be angry over

[copper fox]

That’s how the whole class was designed

Slowest class with slowest slow

[fierce elm]

Slowest minds too

gottem

[boreal veldt]

Zuggest class with Zuggest Zug

[copper fox]

Arms players minds slow

Fury players are just rabid regards

[green wharf]

if you didnt saw yet

[green anchor]

Sandstorm

[boreal veldt]

nuh uh

[copper fox]

[lavish quest]

^ Bless hitting slam

[boreal veldt]

it's a simple life

[green wharf]

where the video from this, i need to show to someone, but i cant find it

[wheat jay]

Reminded me of this

Another fury vs arms video

https://youtu.be/VkWzAZRXi5k?si=-weChhHGsgYPQVPS

[copper fox]

Is @split helm 1800 yet

[lavish quest]

Good question

[wheat jay]

I was almost 2100

Dropped to like 2000 🙁

@jovial torrent I blame you

[boreal veldt]

Just got 2.1 a few hours ago

In Blitz

Goin for 3.8k this season

[copper fox]

Not good

[copper fox]

Fresh mmr?

Oh a few hours ago

Misread

Thought you typed in a few hours lol

[boreal veldt]

I wonder how hard it'd be with fresh

[wheat jay]

Ye, can't ride the 2700mmr starting point cuz I didn't play nor push last season

Lmao

[lavish quest]

How could this be? You were playing fotm!

[fickle forge]

Are the patch notes in sight guys?

[green wharf]

its fine

[wheat jay]

Ppl suck lmao

Ask choppah

We had one shuffle together xD

[jovial torrent]

bruh, right after that i had a shuffle where the hunter on my team did everything he could to line me

while being chased by a ret pala

guna gear up my war tomorrow and see what q times are like

[rancid granite]

they aint so bad

[wheat jay]

XD

Absolute disaster games hahaha

[jovial torrent]

i need the hpala meta to settle already lol. i swear theres like 8 diff builds ppl are running on murlok io for shuffle and both hero talents are used

[lavish quest]

Did ya beat him son?

[elfin surge]

[rancid granite]

it was confusing enough between melee wings vs standard ranged heals

[green wharf]

the stream was pretty funny

mage one shot 4 games so far

[wheat jay]

I believe we both went negative

[jovial torrent]

ye we got giga trolled first round, then just sort of lost the other odd games from there

im hitting the holy weights and hes hitting the fel weights so were comin back stronger next week

[sharp meteor]

Hm. Does thane bring anything to fcing that colo doesn't...?

[copper fox]

No

[sharp meteor]

More durability more shockwave length more bleedy healing hrm

[copper fox]

Prot colo less durable than prot thane?

Colo kills things better tho no?

I’m no prot expert so

[sharp meteor]

Thane more snap dmg and executes

[copper fox]

So why ever play colo

[sharp meteor]

but has no durabilty aside from more rage gen which nerfed

so eh

i mean colo has perma 5% wall, 20% ip

longer shockwave

[lavish quest]

Didn't even wintrade with each other smh

[copper fox]

Oh wait our conversation is mixed up

[sharp meteor]

[copper fox]

That’s why I said no about thane lol

I thought you were telling me thane is more durable

[sharp meteor]

o naw

[copper fox]

I was confused

[sharp meteor]

ye

[lavish quest]

Meth kinda new to this furry thing you see

[copper fox]

Never played warrior before

[wheat jay]

Hard to wintrade when people throw the games harder than we ever could xD

Have there been any tuning patches info?

[green wharf]

REt and arcane mage in s3

[tribal wedge]

no

and it's too late for this week i'm afraid

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[copper fox]

Holiday week

Can’t do it

Maybe October

[lavish quest]

Nerf mages

[green wharf]

damn slayer arms feels so much better

[frank knoll]

I predict WW buffs
Ret PvP nerfs
Maybe conduit MW buffs and H Priest buffs

[green wharf]

specially with more haste, its slayer strike poping all the time

[frank knoll]

Conduit MW goes oom really fast in PvE

Ohh and Prevoker Nerfs for sure

[lavish quest]

If yall both went negative, then the others were winning lol

[hollow smelt]

guys is there any good single minded fury build

i wana try it for shits and giggles

[tribal wedge]

no

[sharp meteor]

so the issue with smf is that not only is it outright worse it also requires a point

[nimble jasper]

Take the 2 points you want the least and concede you just gave up 2 talent points for cosmetic reasons

[sharp meteor]

oh is it two now

banger

[nimble jasper]

is it not

[sharp meteor]

idk i havent played it ever

[nimble jasper]

maybe im remembering it wrong

nvm smf itself is a single point for a literal worse build

[hollow smelt]

eh il play it just for fun

[sharp meteor]

its literally just

normal fury

cept smoller weps

[nimble jasper]

he says smaller weapons

as half the people would just mog thunderfury

[hollow smelt]

im thinking of crafting my 1handed weapons

adding the ascendance to it maybe

[nimble jasper]

I mean you can do whatever

its just you’re spending a point on a worse build

[sly remnant]

Probably a silly question, If I catalyse a piece of bloodytoken/conquest gear, does it keep the "increases item lv to *** in pvp" effect?

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

Just keep in mind bloody token are 3 ilev lower than conq.

[sly remnant]

Ty

[frank knoll]

Bahjeera was playing it

Smf
At like 2700

[sharp meteor]

Can play anything on warr in blitz cos class is useless

[green wharf]

gonna play 2h frost on blitz

cause i got a 2h weapon to play unholy

but my haste is too low, seems people are doing close to 30

[lavish quest]

I miss having weapons sheathed on my hip

[green wharf]

you can if you play prot

[lavish quest]

That's only 1 tho

When this patch dropped, the shields and the 2h sword were on your hip. It was great. But they fixed it. Sad times

[hollow smelt]

i miss bloodbath ability when you could deal bleed damage

like cd version of it

[haughty jewel]

#1 in both..

is this aura?

[sharp meteor]

Huh. That was quick.

[novel crater]

mf takes an entire season off gets #1 both specs 1st week back... I take a day off I turn into a Rival player......

[sharp meteor]

I feel like I get worse at specs if I play other specs or content types than if I take a break.

And yeah it's cool that shuff can be pushed quickly.

[sharp meteor]

Ye. SMF as a cosmetic option would be neato.

[copper fox]

Flokk (highlight poster)

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm
https://youtu.be/KsQeCZar7yM

[jovial torrent]

hoj full! (actually 3xdr ) still wins

i need to level a 3rd pala to play some ret for fun before its nerfed

[novel crater]

ret is broken

I swapped it to fury icons

[sharp meteor]

LMAO

[novel crater]

5 shuffs to hit 2k mmr

fresh

[sharp meteor]

no tuning for 2 weeks prob

[novel crater]

without reading my abilities

[sharp meteor]

might as well setup a ret full bis in like 4 hours

[novel crater]

without swapping to spellbop once

without using glare once

LMAO

[novel crater]

YES

[sharp meteor]

maybe last minute tuning tomorrow

[green wharf]

There is no way they arent getting the hammer this week

and arcane mage

casually hitting 8m arcane barrage is no joke

[jovial torrent]

hunters black arrow also needs a look at

and boomy dmg

honestly ret is like not even that crazy dmg wise, its just all the stuff together makes it a bit much, id rather face a ret than boomy mm

[wheat jay]

If we're talking dmg then dk

Dk is just obscene

[jovial torrent]

yeh, just lucky hpala is kind of their soft counter

with cleanse the weak

[green wharf]

You mean unholy right

[jovial torrent]

frost is kind of gross too in the right setting, but more of a lower rating thing i think

[wheat jay]

Ye

Unholy does more st dps than me triple cleaving xD

[green wharf]

lmao this shit does a lot of damage

casually 4m damage with no buffs other than wake

[jovial torrent]

i run ret in pve 4 set hit 12m hammer crits

[green wharf]

jesus

im not even fully honor man

just to heal up the fall damage i cast flash of light, and it casually cast avenging wrath for 6 seconds

what

[jovial torrent]

its kind of weird how weak it is compared to old wings

but its up so often, ppl open really hard on raid bosses but ret just kind of keeps pumping

[undone wraith]

how is this ele sending me to the fuckin moon w thunderstorm

[jovial torrent]

switched to the dawn of light build, feels much better

[jovial torrent]

XD ok back to the usual

literally noone presses def

even when everyone pops ever offensive in opener

[subtle tendon]

Hi guys, fury or arms with spriest and rsham?

[boreal veldt]

either user preference or check the pins

[wheat jay]

@jovial torrent bro

shaman thought its smart to never cc me

never do anything with me

died on 2nd hunt lmao

[fickle forge]

You swapped it btw

It's light of dawn

Dawnlight is herald

[fast basalt]

does fury ever cast slam in pvp?

[fickle forge]

No

[subtle tendon]

@boreal veldt thanks, how do you guys deal with mage+hpala i cant connect at all and it breaks my will to life

[fast basalt]

woo ive managed to fit the binds in then

thanks

[fickle forge]

I'd go arms

Doesn't matter too much though

The fury copers will tell you otherwise

[boreal veldt]

thats just a rough match but most of their ccs are dispellable

so if you can keep heals out of cc and keep def up when they're in poly/rep

it betters your chance finding that one opening you need

glare still a bitch though, gl with that

[wheat jay]

you dont lmao

slowly waddle your way to them

in hopes of landing one or two hits

[jovial torrent]

ret on my team died with only a few buttons ready

[urban skiff]

Or reroll enhancement and have a grand old time

[subtle tendon]

@boreal veldt okay good to know will try to speak with my mates about it.

@wheat jay thats sad..

Does spears helps with up time? Should i allways go main target mage ?

[subtle tendon]

Ye i want to go as warrior it must somehow be possible but its just painfull to watch if i do one mistake or waste a charge i cant connect anymore to the mage..

[urban skiff]

in general, you never want to be using mobility before they use theirs

[boreal veldt]

I love spear against mage, make sure to use it outside of alter.
It may not get you much but if they panic blink or you get a block/big defensive; that's still value.

Don't bother taking shatter btw

[subtle tendon]

@urban skiff allright thats a big info thanks

@boreal veldt allright will try it out thanks for your feedback guys 👍🏻

[boreal veldt]

GL brotha

[urban skiff]

Also you can pool mobility so you can pile on the mage when he's running low instead of hitting charge whenever you get a charge bacjk

Coordinate stuns, dispels, and freedoms (cancel the freedom if the mage is in a position to spellsteal)

[lavish quest]

Healer to adjust

[jovial torrent]

feelin a bit hardstuck around 2200 in solo

[wheat jay]

the cabal?

[jovial torrent]

nah just i dunno what the fuck im doing

i feel like i should be going in more, but any time id o

i just have everyone trying to stop me, but feels like enemy healer can just waddle up to me in the middle of the map and freecast rep/clone ect

getting kicked on glare loses me more games then i feel casting glare wins me

[lavish quest]

I healed a lobby in DF. Went awful and so I said nope, not for me

So commend you either way

[fierce elm]

Because it does

at least with the current damage output

[jovial torrent]

yeh, even just sitting there trying to fakecast feels like i put myself behind

yet enemy hpala seem to get it off for free all the time

[fierce elm]

Searing Glare is just a tool to delay something

[jovial torrent]

dunno what they do diff

[fierce elm]

But damage is crazy right now

You are most likely not using your glare cprrectly

[jovial torrent]

probs not

[fierce elm]

its a tricky spell honestly

[wintry ginkgo]

Hey, I feel like I'm always getting pilled on as a fury, and we have like only one "big" defensive cd, and then I'm left naked hoping that I zogzog the enemy team faster than they can kill me... I'm sure it's me doing something wrong, but do you guys have any advice? I tried watching fury pvp guide but they never really talk about that aspect.

[wheat jay]

you can't find more meta lobby lmao

[jovial torrent]

we got this

[fierce elm]

You only have one defensive CD, thats it

You rely on D-stance usage and uptime to get more defensive benefits

The game is volatile right now, so go in and pummel damage like a motherfucker

[fierce elm]

Swap both healers out

into Rsham/MW

[wheat jay]

maybe

WAIT

ITS YOU AGAIN

WTF

XD

[jovial torrent]

id say hpriest/rsham

mw better in 2's

[fierce elm]

can y'all stop queueing into each other

[jovial torrent]

tho i dont really ever see mw

[wheat jay]

lmao

[fierce elm]

MW is better than hpriest and disc

In SS

[jovial torrent]

like why is this mage just sitting mid

afk

[wheat jay]

mage getting bullied hard lmao

[jovial torrent]

just kite back bruh

[wheat jay]

xD

[jovial torrent]

line priest

[fierce elm]

I am day 3 of no caffeine

and the headaches have increased a whole lot

[wheat jay]

that was close

ngl

[jovial torrent]

ye i dont get it

[wheat jay]

now give me my 5-1 so i can be done with shuffle lmao

[jovial torrent]

u see me land 6 sec rep on pala, and ret didnt die

[wheat jay]

xD

[fierce elm]

THROW

[wheat jay]

ye

[jovial torrent]

me and paal overlapped 🙁

[wheat jay]

he still had spellward...

bruh

[jovial torrent]

we have to dodge eachother

[wheat jay]

lmao

ye

[fierce elm]

Just don't press LoH/Spellward/BoP on the Paladin

[wheat jay]

that mage sucks ass lmao

[jovial torrent]

i think ret was a mistake

[wheat jay]

holy xD

nah it was a good target

[jovial torrent]

priest just walked over to me and harrased me alllllll game

[wheat jay]

we got bubble

bubble from hpala too

[wheat jay]

that's job for mage

🙁

[jovial torrent]

i had to waste so much sitting fear

[wheat jay]

but mage was too bad to be useful to any degree

[jovial torrent]

just feels like i climb a bit

[wheat jay]

we also overlapped reverse with bubble

do you track it?

[jovial torrent]

then a lobby liek that happens

whats reverese

[wheat jay]

i dispel and reverse magic effect to caster

[jovial torrent]

mnn ye i saw u go for that, problem is everything is so cutthroat

i cant risk a dh not doing it

[wheat jay]

you can risk me doing it tho

[jovial torrent]

ye

[wheat jay]

if i not in cc myself xD

[fierce elm]

do not risk Artji doing it

[wheat jay]

bro

lets be real

the second i went for it

it would have been perfect use of it xD

[jovial torrent]

i just dunno what i could have done diff that match, i know i could have used my cd a bit better

but as u saw, mage just off in narnia, preist harassing me

[wheat jay]

reverse/bubble

[jovial torrent]

like what do i do

[wheat jay]

other than that, its just mage

mage uncarryable

[jovial torrent]

i threw one of our rounds

when we didnt have mage

but at the same time maybe just rng barrage

[wheat jay]

mmmmmmm

@fierce elm does ret have spellward?

or only hpala?

[fierce elm]

what the fuck

yes

[wheat jay]

yes to which question?

[jovial torrent]

rret has it too

[fierce elm]

Yes

[wheat jay]

ok

[fierce elm]

ret has it

[jovial torrent]

have searing spellward

[fierce elm]

Ret had it BEFORE Hpala did

[wheat jay]

so ret threw the game, not you

[jovial torrent]

welp im done for the day

guna wait for balance

[fierce elm]

yeah that aint happening b r o t h e r

[jovial torrent]

got a lobby wher eim guna go 0-6

ret war boomy arcane

[wintry ginkgo]

Should I pop it on first go or I let healer pop their CD first.

[fierce elm]

The game isn't as simple as that

You gotta see the game state and decide based on that

[wintry ginkgo]

yeah, that make sense, I'm just use to play a class with more defensive I guess, when I see the enemy offensive CD I might use my defensive to soon.

[jovial torrent]

just feels like sham gets to play def and win, grounding stuff, never sheared me , never hex

[fierce elm]

Rsham is meta for a reason

[jovial torrent]

feelslike it, i get sac out of one set of dr, hopfully spellbop someone before next set and thats about me done

either they def themselfs or die in the 5 sec cc

was a shit map for it too, it was the bfa one with bug block in mid so cant really pillar hump

[fierce elm]

QUEUE MORE

MORE

[wheat jay]

oh this lobby will be fun

no bubble from ret

and lowest dps

im going 0-6 lmao

i think

[lavish quest]

Artji is a fotm reroller and now a stream sniper huh?

[wheat jay]

lmao

bro i feel like they're wintrading xcD

its impossible for people to play this bad

i cant do anything to win, cuz theyre inting harder than i can carry XD

[urban skiff]

it's almost like there's a group of weakauras in circulation that trivializes the game for otherwise braindead players

but that's just daytime shuffles for you

weakaura discord is just the wild west

[urban skiff]

daytime shuffles feel like wintrading

[rancid granite]

I am living proof it is indeed possible

I can play 6-0 locked in get whispers saying I'm awesome followed by brain farting every round going 0-6

play hard or lose hard no inbetween 💪

[jovial torrent]

a bit how my morning went

6-0 ezpz, suddenly arcane ret boomy lobbies everywhre, just get outhealed by rshams

[rancid granite]

sounds about right

[jovial torrent]

i dunno if i can actually use freedom on allies, i think i need to save it for myself to get stuns off

cus otehrwise ppl see me horse and im instantly slowed by 60-90%

[earnest thorn]

Stuns?

[wheat jay]

to run to get a hoj

[jovial torrent]

HoJ, i feel like im not using it on cd cus either both dps are aoe stunned and on dr, or healers chillin other side and if i try run across map i just end up getting cc's harder

[earnest thorn]

Oh I follow read that like I thought meant to type snares

But yeah enemy healer always jousting hoj range

[urban skiff]

@worldly oriole

People Ask How I Eat My Tacos. Head Tilt Left. Head Tilt Right.

I'm Over Here On Laying On My Belly Eating My Taco Like I'm A Sniper.

[fierce elm]

what the fuck

[jovial torrent]

its been happening alot today where enmy ret b lines it to me at start of game to hoj and everyone lets them run on by, then if i go for hoj back on their healer im sittin a rep or their partners poly

[rancid granite]

that sounds right

you should see me try to sap someone it's impossible

and if I do get it off my team hides behind a pillar til it runs lol

[rancid granite]

otherwise I sprint in and they are still faster than me

[urban skiff]

let's fuckin' goooo

if only artji would play 3s with us

[wheat jay]

you never asked lol

[urban skiff]

just wait until you start to notice that they wear the auto trinket when playing with you and not when against

[urban skiff]

o yea

let's ggogooogooo

[wheat jay]

want me to log in?