pvp

[flat isle]

Mugambala was the only reason I was a bit like "Thats annoying"

[sharp meteor]

people usually fumble their map advantage in solos

[copper fox]

Unless it was rogue maybe

[flat isle]

I know, it was 2500 MMR though

[sharp meteor]

or int their healer with it

ya unless its like a rogue that seems fine

[copper fox]

Everyone talking here plays @ that mmr so that’s what we speak from

[fierce elm]

I swear the rogues in SS are huffing glue

[flat isle]

Even tony?!?

[fierce elm]

Tony is 2.1

[copper fox]

Besides Tony sorry lmfao

[fierce elm]

lmao

[flat isle]

You lied to me man

How dare you

[worldly oriole]

I hit 2270 first week

[copper fox]

I am proud Tony hit 2.4 last season tho

[fierce elm]

We need to vod review Tony

[flat isle]

But do you have your tabard Tony

for this season

Thats the real question

Even though its ugly as fuck

[worldly oriole]

I hit 2270 first week in shuffle then got shit lobs to 2145 and barely tried to gain since then

tabard looks good imo

[fierce elm]

shit lobbies huh

[flat isle]

This man can not be trusted

[fierce elm]

I also think the Tabard is cool

matches NOTHING

[worldly oriole]

yes the stuff that goes on in those matches I played is beyond lame

[flat isle]

To be fair, also looks like shit on a gnome

[fierce elm]

Gnome disgusting

[flat isle]

Escape artist too gud

[fierce elm]

Boutta start tracking the healers at 2.6s sleep schedule so I can get queues

[flat isle]

I was getting quick queues the other day but it was the same 5 people every lobby

[worldly oriole]

I'm paired with a cringe ret and a duelist disc chasing a boomie. we call that one a shit lob

1800 boom that overkites and runs across the map then gets gripped by the other 1800 disc

[fierce elm]

Those are still 4-2 lobbies

or 3-3 lobbies

[worldly oriole]

It's a fun game in 2025lol

[fierce elm]

that is a 6-0 dh lobby wdym

[copper fox]

statistics

[worldly oriole]

lmfao people in Europe are nuts

[fierce elm]

Ret and Boomkin?

Thats literally 2 wins with both lmao

[flat isle]

I'm in NA and still think you're wrong

[fierce elm]

Especially at 2.1 brother

[worldly oriole]

there's no right or wrong

[copper fox]

[fierce elm]

[flat isle]

Best tip to climb. Stop going "Shit lobby" and start going "What could I have done better"

[worldly oriole]

I've already climbed brother

[copper fox]

Tony just needed better ss parters to climb

[flat isle]

You're complaining about 2.1 my guy

[worldly oriole]

I climbed wow back in the day

[copper fox]

Oh here we go

[worldly oriole]

2500 mmr 2025 warrior

[sharp meteor]

[worldly oriole]

ss

[flat isle]

Is......is that supposed to be high?

[fierce elm]

HERE WE GO BROTHERS

NOSTALGIA POSTING

[copper fox]

Tony is a bfa glad full collegiate esports athlete full tuition got all the girls in college with his DH wang so have some respect

[fierce elm]

using mmr is crazy work tho

[flat isle]

As soon as someone goes "I was 2500 MMR" thats always a bold statement

[copper fox]

I actually want Tony to get glad

I really do

[fierce elm]

I wish everyone success here

except for MUD

[copper fox]

Besides Nait

[worldly oriole]

I never said I was 2500

[copper fox]

Oh

And mud

[worldly oriole]

I was calling you that @flat isle

[fierce elm]

fuck MUD

[fickle forge]

I'm 4k mmr

[fierce elm]

Kargish go bedw

we got raid tomorrow

[copper fox]

Tony was over 2500mmr in 2006

[flat isle]

Oh you were trying to insult me. I mean I have nothing to prove to you, I was mentioning you should try to climb more

[copper fox]

You know what tho. No one is as washed as Mud

[flat isle]

Truth

[fierce elm]

gotta get washed to be clean dont be a h8er

[worldly oriole]

Idk if I even wanna climb these days

[copper fox]

You’re muds biggest hater

@fierce elm

[fierce elm]

MUD will hit 2.2 in 2s this season 🙏

lmfao

[worldly oriole]

The shit lobs got me down mate

[copper fox]

TRUE

with the power of the egirl

[fierce elm]

its not about wanna, its about ”if you even can” at this point

[sharp meteor]

climbing 2s is brutal it takes so many games

[fickle forge]

I'm playing Toy Story PS1 in bed right now

[copper fox]

Ammonia or w.e can carry mud

[worldly oriole]

how would you know lol @fierce elm

[copper fox]

She will be his success

[fierce elm]

Because you w a s h e d brother

The peak is over

[worldly oriole]

your cringe lol

[fierce elm]

its time to retire

[copper fox]

Bro Tony he’s saying you CANT now you need to show him you CAN

This is war

[fierce elm]

Time to let your character chill at a farm up north

[copper fox]

BRÜTHER

[worldly oriole]

I'm down 100 in shuffle from my max this season. I can get to a new max in 2 games if all goes in my favor

[fierce elm]

wdym in my favor lmao

[copper fox]

it’s week 3 my guy it’s fine

[fierce elm]

Slots gambling in SS

[worldly oriole]

6-0 two lobbies and I'll probably be at all time high for this season

I just hit a 6-0 yesterday

[fierce elm]

If i just 6-0 every lobby I will be #1 on ladder

[worldly oriole]

or day before

[fickle forge]

Do I Q a shuffle at 3 AM?

[fierce elm]

You wont get queues

trust

[flat isle]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksparrow-jack-sparrow-captainjacksparrow-captainjack-captain-jack-gif-22081901

[sharp meteor]

these are blitz hours

[fierce elm]

I sat 40 minutes to get a lobby 100mmr lower

[sharp meteor]

shufflers go to bed at normie hours

[fickle forge]

I will get 3 rets

[fierce elm]

lmao

Went 4-2 lost 1 rating 🙏

is this how healers feel

[worldly oriole]

everyone is cringe except me

[copper fox]

True

Tony did you get a job yet

Srs

[sharp meteor]

ya

healers in shuff

[copper fox]

Now is the time to push whilst jobless

[sharp meteor]

and blitzers if ur high and q before 5 am

[worldly oriole]

no I'm going to. just training my heart out lol

[fickle forge]

I just don't wanna face ret for the 10th lobby in a row

[fierce elm]

I have started fucking with blitz this season

[copper fox]

Anyway cya later

[fierce elm]

its fun chatting shit with a friend in a low pressure bracket

Anyway cya later

Dude is still here

[copper fox]

Should we tag him

[fierce elm]

no lmao

Dude is gonna wake up and fight with everyone

[fickle forge]

Anyway cya later

[fierce elm]

why did facebook put my birthdate at 1970

lmfao hello

[fickle forge]

Explains your old ass reaction time

[boreal veldt]

Damn Afro saw the fall of Constantinople

[green wharf]

explain your bald pattern

[warm plinth]

Boomer

[lavish quest]

Old lookin ass

[near delta]

It's epoch time lol

Def a bug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time

[spice hornet]

Arms feels bad

[copper fox]

@fierce elm I can’t wait until you wake up and see this. I randomly opened Aegis discord and see this

yesterday

“Anyway cya later”

[kindred acorn]

Fury warriors: better to stack recklessness and avatar or do one after the other?

[copper fox]

One after the other

[kindred acorn]

ty

[visual plover]

i stack em

but im bad

[novel crater]

Pop reck first, after they cc the living shit out of u and u in every dr known to mankind pop avatar and shit dies

[violet fossil]

lmao wtf

he was just doing that in this discord

he just up and left yall

like an ex

[copper fox]

We literally called it. He said he was quitting wow because it wasn’t for him

Lmfao

[violet fossil]

lmfaoo

hes just rerolling to that

jeez

[copper fox]

Bros insane

[urban skiff]

Good thing I don't track reck casts then

can't be tricked if i don't react to anything

[novel crater]

Im sorry to be the bearer of bad news

When u pop reck u get avatar for 8 sec and vice versa

[urban skiff]

Yea but I track casts, not buffs applied

[novel crater]

Depends on how u track it some addons track it as if avatar was popped

[urban skiff]

weakaura -> combat log -> spell -> cast successful

I'm the resident dumbass so I do everything just wrong enough to be hardstuck at whatever rating is considered below acceptable

[novel crater]

I think bbp auras and just see if its 20 sec or 8 sec is prob easier but whatever works for u

[urban skiff]

This is the absolutely best song to be playing in arenas btw

https://youtu.be/HZLngA-m1_E?list=RDHZLngA-m1_E

[urban skiff]

I have betterblizzplates but I just can't get around to making the nameplates show buffs and stuff in a way I can read

[kindred acorn]

Whats your go rotation when using champs spear?

reck -> spear -> onslaught -> rampage?

[urban skiff]

ms ms ms ms

[novel crater]

Your opener should be reck>onslaught>rampage>bstorm usually. I normally send spear with the real avatar go or situationally vs locks or players who bug it

[urban skiff]

Playing around with smooth motion

nvidia overlay reports 138 fps which is my cap on driver level. Ingame fps counter reports exactly 69 because that's funnily enough half of 138

meaning every other frame I'm getting is generated rather than actual gameplay, with 69 fps baseline

Which means the input lag would be 7.2 ms? But Idk if I'm calculating that right because I'm not a nerd like @fierce elm

Oh wait, it's double that. Game sends new frame every 14.5 ms

[limber relic]

[urban skiff]

not even sub 1sec

did you remember to equip pvp gear?

[limber relic]

No sadly

[urban skiff]

4set? weapons yet?

I assume so

[limber relic]

No and no

This was last week

[urban skiff]

lmao

so how fast could it be done now?

[limber relic]

Faster

[urban skiff]

Imagine if you had an enh or aug with you

actually how did you even hit that hard? Share the secret, it's not too late to sell me on fury

[limber relic]

I mean I was #2.
#1 was mm but that dont count 👀

[limber relic]

[urban skiff]

You would need 67% haste to get more than 1 gcd in a 1 second window

so that was one global, or snupi sucks at timing shit

I should make a weakaura that starts a timer for him so he can stop that manual stuff

[fierce elm]

no idea lmao

[limber relic]

He died in 1 rampage. If only rampage was 1 hit instead of 4

[limber relic]

Yeah

[urban skiff]

load weakaura on duel start
on event: player takes damage -> start timer
on event: player reaches 1 hp -> stop timer

or just output the start and end time would be fine

just what the heck is going on in midnight

[hollow plover]

Where is this from?

[urban skiff]

systems panel

a sample of the new apex talent but the rest of the tree don't look right

[lone tundra]

4 set worth for either hero?

[limber relic]

Ingame timer has no milliseconds tho

[urban skiff]

no, but the combat log does

[lone tundra]

for arms

[urban skiff]

should output the time of the trigger events from the combat log

I haven't tried it out yet, i'm a dumbass

[fierce elm]

for colo

[lone tundra]

ait thx

I also played these talents every game to 2400 regardless of hero talent

is that like super troll or im chillin

idk what to change depending on hero

[fierce elm]

this is the basic bitch build

so its fine

We got builds for both in the pins

[lone tundra]

ah ok

[urban skiff]

what makes it basic?

where's skullsplitter??

[fierce elm]

skullsplitter what the fuck

[urban skiff]

idk

stop asking me qustions i'm a shaman

I did not consent to this!

[limber relic]

Skullsplitter could be ok. My bleeds were hitting for like 300k on avg with no burst.
Would be intresting to see how much bleeds do with cds

Ill try it when i get home

[urban skiff]

nice try

[fierce elm]

holy 33 gold

[lone tundra]

how often are yall playing collosus I feel like I only wanna use if it I want to cheese a kill or if its 2 melee, but half the time one of the 2 melee is ret which is not melee

[fierce elm]

its a decent split in play-time

honestly slayer isn't bad into two melees either

but it comes down to preference tbh

[lone tundra]

ive won some games instantly on collo but i lowkey hate it alot of the time

ill play a round and end up going slayer the rest of the game lol

do i just send the 4 set, the stats are w/e even for slayer i guess

like not that bad

[fierce elm]

Its worse

You can also just play Slayer if it brings you more joy than colo

[boreal veldt]

Big bonk

[urban skiff]

WHO IS BUYING THIS SHIT??

[green wharf]

pve people

[urban skiff]

I'm not sure

remember the AH people are technically doing PvP at a higher level than we're used to

they're causing tangible damage to the people they win over.

vs a non pet team

So in theory all haste above 100% is wasted, but more haste means that I'll gcd cap sooner in my ascendance

Almost 100% haste in this clip and i did a 5.2m crit from tempest and idk how much from windstrikes and windfury procs

[fierce elm]

what the fuck was that AMZ before this

nobody has popped anything

priest is not in CC

[urban skiff]

let me just rewind

Looks like they did it to stay offensive while cooldowns popped

I see amz blur spirit of redemption+hymn meta power infusion

[fierce elm]

yeah those guys SUCK

[urban skiff]

Yea no shit

You say that like I don't suck infinitely more, though

[fierce elm]

THESE GUYS STINK

[urban skiff]

Found a clip where we win because i kick a hex into triple cap totem on enemy team while the warrior has parry up and the dk is in the middle of using pillar

kind of cool

[cinder cipher]

may I ask what unitframes those are? 🙂

[urban skiff]

Gladius EX

[fierce elm]

Gladiu SEX

[urban skiff]

It's messy because there's some overlap I never noticed until i started free framing my videos

like this crap

They're much cleaner now

[fierce elm]

Wind arena2

[urban skiff]

it's shorthand spec name and then character name

[fierce elm]

figured

[urban skiff]

I don't want that in the actual hp bar

but I need a separator though

[jovial torrent]

im very close to doing a rework to mine, tempted to throw party and enemy frames on same side of my screen cus i am looking at ally hp bars too much now

[urban skiff]

i sort of reworked mine

@fierce elm also i can't figure out how to record the clip from your song, all native recorders in windows seems to block recording youtube videos/audio?

[fierce elm]

You probably download the mp3 file

[urban skiff]

in old days you could put download. in front of any youtube link and download but I'm so certain youtube killed that, that i didn't bother even trying

[fierce elm]

Who knows

but there are sites out there

[jovial torrent]

just gotta google youtube to mp4 usually a few that work

[urban skiff]

yeah, in theory I don't even need to download anything. I just make the weakaura for you, and you download the .mp3 or .ogg yourself and name it what i tell you to name it, and it'll still work.

[fierce elm]

Thats too complicated

[urban skiff]

You'd still have to get the file somehow

You gonna trust me to send a sound file just like that? 😮

[fierce elm]

no not really lmao

[urban skiff]

When do we play duel? I think into a team that doesn't target us but isn't worth disarming?

[fierce elm]

never

[urban skiff]

what do i play when I can't disarm then?

[fierce elm]

STORM OF DESTRUCTION baby

[urban skiff]

i have amendment to the video above where I rip out the priest's spleen

it's not 5.2m

it's 3.1m + 5.2m if you watch it really slowly

in one global

[jovial torrent]

just hopped into a skirm to test my ui hunter doing back to back 7.5 mil black arrow crits

[urban skiff]

BM?

[jovial torrent]

he was like doing 40m dps at the start

mm

[urban skiff]

is why the first thing I do when I see a hunter pop out, is drop a cs totem behind him

we going down together

[jovial torrent]

haha , i do love cs totem

carried me to 1800 mog

[urban skiff]

It's so funny to use

and now I have a clip that will live forever, of @fickle forge hitting himself with it

the shame

[fickle forge]

Huh?

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm how fucking funny would it be to sneak in a delayed discord message sound that triggers off of random events?

[fierce elm]

stop

[urban skiff]

very or super a lot?

So rogues would theoretically always be hitting kidney into me or healer?

theoretical version of "always" not literal version

[fickle forge]

Please give me coke

[urban skiff]

that's actually what I'm planning to make play on my wife's weakaura to announce power infusion time

either that or some form of "It's morbin' time!"

[fierce elm]

Please give me conq

[fickle forge]

I own a Conquest Weapon for home defense, since that's what the Founding Vanilla PvP'ers intended. Four Duelists break into my house. "What the Ion?" As I grab my Gladiator's Medallion and Crimson Gladiator's Greatsword. Slam a golf ball sized hole through the first Duelist, he's dead on the spot. Draw my Mortal Strike on the Demon Hunter, miss him entirely because he used Blur and it nails the Hunters' pet. I have to resort to the Bladestorm mounted at the top of my action bar loaded with Unhinged, "Tally ho lads" the Bladestorm shreds two Rogues in the first tick, the sound and extra Mortal Strikes set off the Mugambala Announcer. Hover Rend and Charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on his Healer to arrive since Skullsplitter wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the Founding Vanilla PvP'ers intended.

[rancid granite]

https://youtu.be/-4L2-kKNZfg?t=415 @limber relic reppin the colossus @time

[fierce elm]

holy fuck

CRAZEST

CRAZEST

[urban skiff]

how many stars need to align for that?

[fierce elm]

all of them

[urban skiff]

yea no shit

[fierce elm]

you asked : (

[urban skiff]

is this a pve trinket?

left one

[rancid granite]

fatebound colossus warrior ftw

[urban skiff]

eeeeee

lol

mwahahahaha

straight up deleted that guy

man I wish I had recorded that

[wheat jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905959827891712050/1410585069231538297/image.png?ex=68b18d37&is=68b03bb7&hm=b451ce1aa98e4c6ccc36d4f8da028eac3f49c8ae6195f20d983e2e9ccb80b24e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=207&height=175

eyo is dh good?

OR IS EVERY WARRIOR DOGSHIT!?

[urban skiff]

both

[wheat jay]

dude i swear 99% of warrs suck ass

[urban skiff]

Lots of FotM'ers flocking to warrior rightnow

[wheat jay]

like

its not a hard class

some would argue its the easiest

[urban skiff]

I disagree

I can't do shit with warrior

i'm a world champion as enh though

[wheat jay]

youre not a world champ as enh

[urban skiff]

warrior objectively harder to play than enhancement based on my rigid experiment

[urban skiff]

of course i am

[fierce elm]

Artji versus these 1800 warriors

[urban skiff]

Same way Americans are world champions at american football

[fierce elm]

"WHY ARE THESE WARRIORS SO ASS"

[elfin surge]

[frank knoll]

Undefeated in Blitz
Turns out you can just pump heals and you win

[frank knoll]

Did he get arrested? lol

[elfin surge]

LOL

[frank knoll]

That looks like a Xaryu mugshot

[urban skiff]

It's havoc+uh vs destro arms so definitely an uphill battle for artji

[elfin surge]

yeah thats xaryus mugshot he also got a neck tattoo

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[frank knoll]

That’s dope

[fierce elm]

Artji out here shitting on 1800 players

then posting his screenshots here where he wins

[jovial torrent]

any of u using framesort

[urban skiff]

technically I am

[jovial torrent]

trying to make macro's to target enemy frame 1/2/3

[fierce elm]

Technically I also am

[urban skiff]

but I forgot about it and haven't used it ever

[fickle forge]

Artji rolling the best melee cleave in the game on 1800

[frank knoll]

Xaryu switching from posi health guy to edgy neck tattoo bad boy

[urban skiff]

how did it go playing the best comp in the game, turbo?

[fierce elm]

I love pooping on artji tbh

[urban skiff]

so overpowered anyone could win drunk on wine and love

[cosmic field]

/target enemyframe i think

[urban skiff]

wait, sounds like you just want arena123?

[jovial torrent]

#FrameSort
#showtooltip
/cast [@EF1][] Hammer of Justice my first try i didnt have

framesort

[fierce elm]

-# framesort

[jovial torrent]

first try i didnt have the hash framsort

so guna try again with that see if it makes it work, also guna use abbreviations EF1 EF2 ect

really need bots that u can add to party and skirm against to fix ui stuff

[cosmic field]

oh so cast not target

#FrameSort EnemyFrame1 /cast [@EF1] Hammer of Justice

maybe

[urban skiff]

or just let us do 1v1 tournament arenas

[jovial torrent]

il try that next

it just isnt working and i dont know why

[cosmic field]

idk then, i use arena123 so i can see the number on plates tbh

[lavish quest]

Warrior is the hardest class in the game

[urban skiff]

excatly

poroof is we can't even spell

[jovial torrent]

i use arena 123 before but i wana be able to have enemy healer always be gladius slot 3

so i can know this button always does x to enemy healer

[urban skiff]

Make it slot 1 instead m8

that way it's no change between 2s and 3s

or even slot2

[jovial torrent]

not sure what ur saying either way it doesnt work

if it reorders healer to frame 1 then arena 1 is nolonger lined up right

cus if healer was in slot 3 and it forces them slot 1 now /hammer arena 3 hamers arena frame 1

[cosmic field]

yeah exactly, it cant change arena123 so it uses its own aliases

[jovial torrent]

yeh, just gotta figure out how to make it work, its somthing very simple im probs missing

guna try this

hmmm

[urban skiff]

huh? You framesort it to always sort healer to top of the pile, then you target via EF123 instead of arena123

[jovial torrent]

but it doesnt work that way for me

if say i load in and the healer is in enemy party slot two and it moves them to slot 1, now whenever i press arena 2 it hoj's the person who is visibly in 1

[urban skiff]

what happens when you go into the macros tab?

my framesort says this, so presumably you'd need it to say it's managing whatever number of macros you're making right now?

to verify it's working

[jovial torrent]

says 6 for me

which is right 3 arena target and 3 hoj

its auto changed EF1 to none

[urban skiff]

Yeah this is the problem

[wheat jay]

can someone nerf arcane XD???????????????

[urban skiff]

you need EF2 for each [] set of brackets

[fierce elm]

lmfao

this is kinda funny

[fierce elm]

whats with these 1800 dhs not knowing how to play the game

[cosmic field]

/cast [@none] Spell```

This is what the addon dev says should work

[jovial torrent]

guna delete the extra brackets i have see if that was it

does he have a example for just /target

[cosmic field]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/153v500/comment/m9yono0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[urban skiff]

You need this to say #framesort enemyframe1 x

idk

[wheat jay]

what is that?

xD

how does demo work lmao

[wheat jay]

oh not me dying, warrior xD

enemy warrior to be precise haha

[fierce elm]

My point remains

[wheat jay]

poor guy went 0-6

oh well

0 kicks

shit cc

trinket opener

parry opener

yeeeeeeeeee

[jovial torrent]

i think i found how to do targeting, u need to just go into keybinds and set them in there @cosmic field

[cosmic field]

oh nice, better than a macro

[fickle forge]

: )

[jovial torrent]

i kind of hope we make it to wod classic, i wana play some turbo

mops fun but i think wod was on another level

[fierce elm]

yu guys should play Balance/Enhance

: )

[urban skiff]

yes please

that would be funny

make sure to play that world of oneshots build

Straight up humiliated a uhdk+hpal in 2s

[wheat jay]

id play some dh/dk

ngl

@fickle forge

pick a class

cuz you swap more than me

and i do it plenty lmao

[fierce elm]

Yeah Kargish pick your spec

[fickle forge]

My spec is arms

[wheat jay]

IS IT!?

[fierce elm]

His sick 54% winrate Alt at 1300

lmfao

[wheat jay]

xd

my wirnate kinda dog too

[fierce elm]

it really is

[wheat jay]

but im somewhat unrusted now

[fierce elm]

You say that

[wheat jay]

ye

im doing 4-2 now instead of 3-3 or worse lmao

[fierce elm]

Oh my GOD

I wasn't aware yall was doing that bad lmao

[wheat jay]

?

3s?

[fierce elm]

yeah

[wheat jay]

out of those we had like 6 games with james tho

pug healers, with me on dh and kargish balance lmao

[fierce elm]

goddamn

[worldly oriole]

is dh boom good

[wheat jay]

no

i wish it was

[fierce elm]

yes

[wheat jay]

but its ass

[fierce elm]

lmfao

What the fuck do youi mean no

DH boomkin is really good

lmao

[worldly oriole]

what dh comps are good meth said there was 2

[wheat jay]

oh wait

i thought he meant hero talnets

xD

[fierce elm]

DH/boom, DH/Warr, DH/UH, DH/Ret

[wheat jay]

boomkin/dh is mad good e

[fickle forge]

1 sec lemme reroll ret real quick

[fierce elm]

DH/UHDK is probably the best comp in the game lmfao

[fierce elm]

3s buddy

talking about YOUR warrior alt

[worldly oriole]

I need to get in on the dh warrio

[fickle forge]

The one I played with Zercher?

[fierce elm]

yeah lmao

[fickle forge]

I'm honestly impressed we have positive win rate

[fierce elm]

Compared to our main team at 65% winrate

[jovial torrent]

do we eventually replace cloak with conq cape or are we just wearing this whole season

[fierce elm]

the goats

[worldly oriole]

Dh Boomie Is Mad Good Tier lol

[fierce elm]

wear this whole season

the proc is good

the ilvl is amazing

[fickle forge]

The difference is there's a ret in that comp

[fierce elm]

Naa

the difference is that we are three okay players

[fickle forge]

And there's a ret in that comp

[fierce elm]

Or DH/Warr would be 100% winrate

because its a better comp

nerdass

[wheat jay]

?

dh/warr

[fierce elm]

What excuse can I make up to be 'late' to raid

[wheat jay]

better than ret/warr?

[fierce elm]

dh warr is better than ret/warr yes

[fickle forge]

It isn't

[wheat jay]

afro

[fierce elm]

it is

[wheat jay]

youre stupid

[fierce elm]

God I will beat both ofyou u

p

Kargish has zero clue about the ladder

[wheat jay]

HOW is it better

[fierce elm]

Artji has zero clue

[fickle forge]

Ret F tier

[wheat jay]

dh is good

warr is good

so is surivval

[fierce elm]

DH is better than Ret in 3s

[wheat jay]

IS KFC GOOD!?

you ape

[fierce elm]

I DIDNT SAY THAT

DID I YOIU POLISH FUCK

[wheat jay]

YOUR POINT IS LITERALLY THAT

BUT SWAP SURVI WITH DH

YOUAPE

[fierce elm]

I SAID DH/WARR IS BETTER THAN RET/WARR

[wheat jay]

and youre wrong

[fickle forge]

Who is Q'ing DH+warr rn? And if so, why aren't they Q'ing hero cleave?

[fierce elm]

god

you know waht

I will not be baited into this

[fickle forge]

Just ANSWER man

[wheat jay]

no no

give us the answer

[fierce elm]

By Artji who doesn't play the game

and Kargish who doesn't play the game

[fickle forge]

You said we don't know ladder

[wheat jay]

how is dh/warr, with ZERO utiltiy from either to help one another, better than ret/warr

[fierce elm]

Today I am not falling for random pointless arguments

[fickle forge]

So tell me who's Q'ing this comp

[fierce elm]

Especially with Artji

Tell me who is qing Ret/warr lmfao

[fickle forge]

Us

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[fickle forge]

Devilscandy Qs ret warr

[wheat jay]

i still wanna know how dh/warr is better than utiltiymonsterret/warr

[fierce elm]

Im not arguing with you

If I would argue with someone it would be Kargish

[fickle forge]

But who's Q'ing DH warr though

[fierce elm]

Brother I don't know

nobody is fucking streaming

[fickle forge]

I ain't seen anyone play it

[jovial torrent]

dh feels more oppresive dmg wise atm but dunno

[fierce elm]

Everyone is streaming MoP lmao

[fierce elm]

its more bursty than Ret

[fickle forge]

We haven't faced it and I haven't seen anyone stream it

[fierce elm]

However ret/dh is way better than dh/warr

[fickle forge]

But we have faced ret warr

[fierce elm]

Warr also has a better comp than ret/warr

which is quite interesting

and it isn't warr+caster

[fickle forge]

What

Thunder?

TSG?

[fierce elm]

TSG

[fickle forge]

Ye

[jovial torrent]

frost is insain atm haha

[fierce elm]

Is better than ret/warr

Frost is bad

Unholy is crazy

[worldly oriole]

you already hit me with random pointless argument before bed last night @fierce elm

[fierce elm]

No you just refuse to accept that you are washed

and it's not the lobbies fault you aren't climbing

[fickle forge]

Tony washed

[fierce elm]

lmao

Artj is 1800 so I don't get anything from it

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goat's-washed-goat-washed-stan-twitter-goat-sistertonin-your-goats-washed-gif-11638189080627954741

[fierce elm]

Kargish and me scream at each other daily regardless

[wheat jay]

as if it mattered

[fierce elm]

it does

It really does matter

[wheat jay]

bitch you play free ticket spec in shuffle and you started at 2500 mmr so fujck you on about?

[fickle forge]

Why MUST I suffer these incredible shuffle lobbies before Afro will hear 3% of what I say

[worldly oriole]

lol

[fierce elm]

My ret didnt start 2.5 mmr

it was like 2k last season lmao

[wheat jay]

2600 was your start?

👍

[fierce elm]

Would you argue m+ with someone who is 500 score?

[wheat jay]

if he had xp

yes

[fierce elm]

My ret started 2.2 I think this season

[fickle forge]

I want Afro to climb on outlaw this season

Rum n ass

[wheat jay]

he wont

20% winrate angle

[fickle forge]

Please give me conq

[nova oracle]

any 1 else w

[fierce elm]

also not to be that guy

[nova oracle]

any 1 else having problem this season in pvp?

[fierce elm]

But my warrior is higher/equal to your dh

in 3s and SS

[fierce elm]

what sorts of problems do you mean

[nova oracle]

damage not there like other classes and survivalbility

[plucky verge]

What spec you playing and talents?

[nova oracle]

arms

[plucky verge]

Iam playing slayer arms and i find my damage and survivability both good enough, tho you dont have that huge oneshot burst windows, your sustained damsge should compensate for it and those nasty 4mil executes out of nowhere.

[nova oracle]

can be that i just suck. gotta practice and maybe getting better. last season 2.3k soloq and now 2k 😄

[frank knoll]

I’m 2k mmr but getting put in 1500 blitz matches

[copper fox]

@fierce elm you see my tag last night

[plucky verge]

I find our damage jumps a lot every week by gear, especially this week with 723 weapons and 4set bonus, it jumps more than other specs, you can deal with games faster

[frank knoll]

It’s a proc that turns shadow bolt into infernal bolt
So kick that

[plucky verge]

@nova oracle can you show us your go to talent tree?

[fierce elm]

nooo

[copper fox]

Found this last night

Randomly opening Aegis discord

[frank knoll]

No fuckin way dude

[copper fox]

He’s playing mage LMFAO

[frank knoll]

He can’t figure out Ret
What makes him think he can play mage

[worldly oriole]

Did he leave the channel

[fickle forge]

Anyway cya later

[frank knoll]

Yeah
He went 3/3 and then decided to quit WoW

[worldly oriole]

@split helm

[copper fox]

@fierce elm we called it

[worldly oriole]

sounds like me @frank knoll

[fickle forge]

I'd swap out Rend and then flip these 2

And drop bleed amps on roar if you wanna go roar over spear

Go Slam dam over CDR as well

[grizzled anvil]

No fuckin way

[copper fox]

Yea he’s going to do this to every discord

[grizzled anvil]

He must be a M+ player

[frank knoll]

Real Fake Natty

[fierce elm]

lmfao

no way

thats pretty funny

I wonder when he will crash out in the mage discord

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ruocgiff-it-hurts-my-heart-sad-cat-gif-24979013

my heart 💔

[fierce elm]

Remember when nait loved us

And was going to play poe 2

and that is why he quit

[rancid granite]

no courage to play warrior, no courage to straight up tell us he's breaking up with us

[fierce elm]

Unsub my ass smh

[copper fox]

It’s wild that he didn’t actually play a single game as warrior

He would have instantly died in the opener tho

Ngl

[wheat jay]

i wonder if he played any on dh

cuz he was going to do that too

[copper fox]

Guys breaking news. Only arcane mages need to worry about positioning

Frost you can just prance around the map wherever you want

[rancid granite]

still always looking for easiest route and effortless wins :'(

[copper fox]

Frolic in the fields

[fierce elm]

Ret was too hard

Then he goes to frost mage

which, all jokes aside, is hard

[copper fox]

Yea dude idk if he couldn’t handle a loss on ret

How is he going to play a caster

[rancid granite]

I'd rate ret even easier to play than fury lmao

[copper fox]

He’s going to get enduring bloodstone and be like why isn’t precog proccing

Ret is easier it’s more forgiving

[fierce elm]

THATS A LIE

[copper fox]

Stop

[fierce elm]

at higher than 1800*

[copper fox]

You have so many outs

Ok

[fierce elm]

Yeah exactly

[rancid granite]

literally fall asleep mid shuffle on ret like a junky

[copper fox]

Bring the conversation back down to a nait level

[rancid granite]

maybe he heard too many warriors say mage is op

[copper fox]

This is @lavish quest fault

Clearly

[fierce elm]

lmao

At 1400 ret is the easiest to play

Because Fury has to play around defensives

[copper fox]

Ret is the easiest class to get to 1800 for a new player

Spec

[wheat jay]

Not at all ratings?

[copper fox]

Outside of defensives, the better fury is just the fury who presses rampage more. Meaning less overcap on rage etc

[wheat jay]

Yep

What about better rets

All press freedom

[copper fox]

There’s no telling

Exactly

[wheat jay]

All do same dmg

[copper fox]

A 1200 ret is a 2700 ret

[wheat jay]

All press searing glare when teammate is dying

All bubble

[copper fox]

All forget to respec which bop they’re using between rounds

[fierce elm]

Get kicked die

[copper fox]

Rampage actually needs a 10% dmg increase

Ngl

Realistically it needs a 80% increase but I’ll meet in the middle @ 10%

[fierce elm]

Its just that eventually people know how to deal with ret and exploit it somewhat

[wheat jay]

Bop

[fierce elm]

???

[wheat jay]

Loh

[fierce elm]

Get purged forced bubble

LoH is on CD before that

[wheat jay]

And yet you're still winning cuz you have 2x dmg of anyone else

[fierce elm]

Searing glare/rep is risky as fuck

[wheat jay]

Ret is just stupid

[rancid granite]

yeah the ret skill diff is those who use bop/loh and those who don't

[wheat jay]

How

[fierce elm]

We have the same damage as DH lmfao

[wheat jay]

Cuz of kick?

Bruh

[fierce elm]

Kicked yeah

it locks out of everything

[wheat jay]

And 3x the utility

And full heal for yourself, or teammates

And immunity for teammates

And freedoms on zero cd

[rancid granite]

getting to 1800 on multiple alts it's insane how many of these rets just DI on go then die immediately after

[wheat jay]

Yep

[fierce elm]

Literally has a CD lmao

Im just saying, ret isnt holding any of yall back at the rating you guys are at

But to say ”Just use searing glare” is wrong and will get punished

Because you DIE in one kick

[jovial torrent]

they need to figure out a way to make 0-6 dps lobbies good for healers

[fierce elm]

LoH is also more of an extender to help out during healer CC

[jovial torrent]

3 games spinning wheels at 0 rating change

[fierce elm]

because every spec burns through that HP in an instant

BoP is so fucking bad man 🙁

Spellwarding is crazy

[wheat jay]

Absolutely, but the point is that in any lobby ret is the expected winner

If ret is an expected winner, then everyone else is expected loser

When against ret

[fierce elm]

The point is that if you lose to an 1800 ret you deserve to lose versus an 1800 ret lmfao

[wheat jay]

Which is 4 games

1800 ret is the same as 2400 ret tho

[fierce elm]

The thing when a spec is really good is that there are way more braindead players playing it

and they play it so absurdly suboptimal

that it is crazy punishable

[wheat jay]

Brother, ret is so punishable that you only have full heal and full immunity usable in cc

[fierce elm]

Again

You are facing what, 1900 players? lmfao

[wheat jay]

Aaaaand aoe immunity in form of glare

[fierce elm]

Glare kick die

weird

[copper fox]

DH dies in a single stun this season tho

Ngl

[wheat jay]

You're not dying in a global if glare is kicked my guy

[fierce elm]

We dont run BoP versus DH

You do

Source: it has happened TO ME

[wheat jay]

You don't die in an interurpt

[fierce elm]

Its a 5s cc

Literally

you cant press anything when kicked as ret

Are you gonna argue with me people dont die in 5s of CC

[wheat jay]

I call cap and lie

[copper fox]

Nothing?

You can wall can’t you

[fierce elm]

No defensives whatsoever can be used

nope

Locked out of holy

[wheat jay]

Is kick 5s cc?

[fierce elm]

Kick is 5s of silence yes

[copper fox]

Yes technically

[fierce elm]

And if you cant use a single thing

it is pretty much a cc lmao

[wheat jay]

Brother, its not a setup from rmp

[fierce elm]

Lmao

[wheat jay]

Ehhh

[fierce elm]

Cant do anything during 5s

at all

”Brother its not death”

so yes, glare is risky

[copper fox]

BROTHER JUST KEYBOARD TURN AND WALK AWAY

[fierce elm]

In SS*

lmao

[wheat jay]

Healer can, teammate can, I don't think competent teammates would just abandon and go afk, are you joking,

[fierce elm]

waddle my ass with no freedom no nothing

away from the 70% slow everyone has

[copper fox]

You sound like a warrior

[wheat jay]

Noone is doing full cc setups off of a kick on glare

[fierce elm]

Artji once more is talking like he has played ret

[copper fox]

Besides warrior

[fierce elm]

Whoch he hasnt

and I have died in a kick during glare

[copper fox]

Damn this conversation is making warrior sound worse and worse

[fierce elm]

Because you cant press anything

and damage is so absurdly high

[wheat jay]

Healer can

[fierce elm]

It really is

[wheat jay]

Teammate can

[fierce elm]

Ah yes healer

[wheat jay]

Unless it was full cc chain on everyone

[fierce elm]

Why is your teammate dying CC something

[wheat jay]

Then its not death in glare kick, its death in a cc chain on healer

[fierce elm]

It can be both jesus christ

You know what, you are correct everyone at 1800 is held back by ret

and ret has no weakness whatsoever

[wheat jay]

I didn't say ppl are being held back

I said ret is op as fuck

Does disgusting dmg and has the most utility in the game

[fierce elm]

And I am saying you at 1800 have no clue what you are talking about lmfao

Becauss you say op as fuck

I put out a glaring thing you can exploit

it gets returned ”no”

[wheat jay]

Bro we played at high mmr both, multiple seasons

[fierce elm]

like I dont play ret and know how to exploit ret

[wheat jay]

I bagged your ass in shuffle too

So I do know what I'm talking about

[fierce elm]

Imagine me coming to you

saying survival has no weakness

you telling me a weakness

then me going ”no”

Like I have any clue what Survival does

[wheat jay]

We do know ehat ret does tho

And what survi does

[fierce elm]

I dont know what part of Survival is exploitable

I know exactly what you and everyone else can exploit against ret

[wheat jay]

I don't need to be an expert at ret and game design to say glare is dumb and should be deleted for example

[fierce elm]

and your answer is ”no” lmao

Instead of a ”aight, maybe that can work”

[wheat jay]

Burst them so hard they run out of their oh shit buttons

[fierce elm]

Im gonna hit you with the irl vanish rn because I dont want to discuss with someone who wont listen

[wheat jay]

Problem is ret bursts just as hard or harder

???

Bruh

[green anchor]

[wheat jay]

Your arguments came down to "artji can't talk about ret cuz he's not elite with it"

This is a jest xD

[fierce elm]

Literally not it

it's the fact that you are so blind to any sort of 'hey you can do this and ret will die' and any sort of argument backwards

because you have this absurd need to talk about stuff you have no clue about

because frankly, you don't know how to exploit ret

and instead of being open-minded and asking you literally take in r/worldofpvp mentality

where you are literally negative winrate at 1900

yet think you can speak on the matter in an expert way

[copper fox]

Actually ret is the easiest spec to get 1800 because no one under 2200 even wants to target it

They will go anything else

Just because they think it doesn’t die

[fierce elm]

I don't talk about M+ and argue against M+ with you because you are better and more experience with it than me

Because I have no fucking clue about M+ in the way that you do

which is extremely fair

[wheat jay]

Fam, we have the same experience in pvp

[fierce elm]

You dont know how Ret works

[wheat jay]

Literally the same

[fierce elm]

You dont know how to exploit Ret

alright? do I have any fucking clue how to exploit DH?

Monk?

No I fucking don't

[wheat jay]

Everyone knows how ret works

I literally have a ret

[fierce elm]

Apparently you don't because you didn't know searing glare was 5s of full stop for the ret

[wheat jay]

Which I played

[fierce elm]

And instead of being receptive you do this thing where you get so pissy in a mood

[wheat jay]

The only thing I don't know is dmg rotation

[fierce elm]

because you sit there with your 40% winrate thinking you are hot shit because of some random XP lmao

You need a slice of what we call 'sit down and listen'

[wheat jay]

Which I don't need to know to see the utility of ret is just too much

[fierce elm]

which is completely fair

[wheat jay]

50%

[fierce elm]

I don't comment on M+ because I have no clue how M+ works

[fierce elm]

You are literally NAIT

You see me arguint with @copper fox about Fury?

[wheat jay]

Dungeon mechanics is not the same as utility of classes

[fierce elm]

I mean fuck my arms warrior was 2.4 last season surely I know as much as he does lmfao

[wheat jay]

Change the word into anything and we got 10/10 meme xD

[fierce elm]

It's called 'listening'

[wheat jay]

Okay, sure

Fine

[fierce elm]

and learning instead of bringing your ass in here and arguing with me

In the same way where I don't argue with you about M+ stuff lmao

[wheat jay]

You are right, now i ask nicely, please tell me how to exploit ret so that it is not a problem for me in any lobby and situation

[fierce elm]

Now ret is fucking absurd but it has some flaws that can be exploited

[wheat jay]

Whilst playing dh

Cuz i feel like the extent of exploitation of the spec in arena is smaller than any other class in the game

[fierce elm]

Kick glare, keep your fucking eyes open to reversing HoJ, CC wake of ash window, go through Ret wall because ret wall is fucking useless, Wall+SoV is swap off, he can't Sanc your sap, after LoH you have a 30s window to get Bubble

If he doesn't have trinket he is fucked

Don't allow him to play ranged

[wheat jay]

Thats a lot of things compared to "cc the fuck out of him and he's useless" of dh

[earnest thorn]

Wym 30sec window to get bub after loh

[fierce elm]

Yes

Forbearance

after that he can BoP/Spellwarding

[rancid granite]

whats the consensus on ww this season; 2pc? 4c? going straight mastery and conduit still?

[fierce elm]

So after LoH you are on a 30s timer

[fickle forge]

Artji only plays Shadopan

He doesn't know

[wheat jay]

Conduit better

Tier set there is useful

[rancid granite]

i see people playing it still but idk why

[wheat jay]

Shadopan tier is dogshit

Shadopan overall is decent into melee cleaves

More fof dmg and bypasses some armor

But overall conduit

And ww by itself is mid

[rancid granite]

i see i see

[wheat jay]

Its got some dmg, but no burst to oneshot 100-0, unless you criy everything, so your burst is just higher dps, but not a huge spike like balance or sth like that

[fierce elm]

So in that 30s window you can get bubble

The hard part is timing it

If you force LoH and bubble in one go ret has no outs

[wheat jay]

I'd say monk fun, but it does feel like your dmg doesn't lead to too many kills xD

[rancid granite]

is it not comparable to fury cause thats how it seemed to me

i only played it to get 1800 last season tho

but its fun thats why i wanna play it again; and have a char to heal if i ever need to =p

only one tuning away from being op again

[fierce elm]

Also for any warriors here, stop being fucking dumb as bricks and start hitting Ret paladin

[spice hornet]

LMFAO

[rancid granite]

also murlok is back up fully 🙏

[fickle forge]

[fierce elm]

cant be glared if you guys are on the fucks

[copper fox]

ON THE FUCKS

[fierce elm]

IAM ONE OF THE FUCKS

[rancid granite]

is spinning crane kick in the rotation or can i ignore it like its whirlwind

cause i ran out of buttons and its annoying to press

[wheat jay]

Its big smg

Dmg

Cuz you proc it all the time

And it procs blackout kick

[rancid granite]

damn ok ill find away

[wheat jay]

Endless loop of procs and damage

You need

[rancid granite]

can we macro touch of death into anything too

[wheat jay]

8 buttons for dmg

[wheat jay]

No clue xD

[rancid granite]

there's always that like .5 seconds it can proc

then they heal

[fierce elm]

Probably everything

just put it before the ability

[rancid granite]

i assumed so i'll try it lol

[fierce elm]

Technically you can put Execute and slam onto the same macro iirc

Not that you should

but you can

or OP execute lmfao

[urban skiff]

Only for characters that have logged in since fixed, right?

[fierce elm]

@copper fox waht the fuck is happening in 3s in NA

[rancid granite]

seems so

[urban skiff]

What are we looking at here?

[fierce elm]

3v3 ladder in NA

[urban skiff]

This is so unhinged, i'm gonna do that.

[split helm]

.

[fierce elm]

Ayy whats up buddy

Hows the unsubbed life

[copper fox]

ITS NAIT THE MAGE

[jovial torrent]

bruh im about to quit wow

[copper fox]

Wait wtf

[jovial torrent]

4 lobbies in a row 3/3 cus of 0-6, then i get a lobby that felt unwinnable and go 0-6 losing 70 rating in the past hour of q

[split helm]

Anyway cya later

[copper fox]

Mvq just wintrade a bunch of games to get everyone glad?

[fierce elm]

lmao

[copper fox]

How’s mage buddy

1800 yet?

[rancid granite]

this where you Q a few 6-0 games thats how it works

[jovial torrent]

i dunno

[copper fox]

Exactly

[jovial torrent]

it feels like in spammable cc games, i have the disadvantage against all these priests and evokers

[fierce elm]

Blood DK is the most busted melee

[jovial torrent]

they just fade somthing while i get insta cc into quadra chain cc

or they go angel mode

was against priest boomy lock, just felt like i was forced to sit chastise, or instabeam root, into clone clone fear fear

there was literally 0 counterplay cus ppl die in 2 fucking seconds