pvp

[fierce elm]

they are more balanced in 3s

and 2s

than they are in BGs

their S-tier status in SS doesn't come from their stun either

their S-tier status comes from the mix of utility and damage while being easy to apply and being a dot spec

[echo aspen]

"they are more balanced in 3s"
they have S-tier status

which one is it xD

[fierce elm]

SS

solo shuffle

They are right on the verge of S-tier in 3s but there are specs that are better which bumps it down

[lavish quest]

Buff ret

Also, hoj is dispellable which is why

[fierce elm]

no no its clearly busted because of HoJ

in BGs

[lavish quest]

You've convinced me. Nerf ret

[echo aspen]

real question you playing warrior in pvp atm ?

[fierce elm]

I am palying both

[echo aspen]

yea thats what i thought

[fierce elm]

?

Brother if you state the broken part is HoJ

then you are just wrong

You should comment on tuning but comment on it correctly

[echo aspen]

ok ret boi

[fierce elm]

kek

Na don't worry the dispellable stun is the broken part

[wheat jay]

Ret?

[fierce elm]

yes

[wheat jay]

Bro your s tier status comes from 2mil st dps

Fuck your spec

[fierce elm]

Its not ST dps

[wheat jay]

Nerf dmg by 15%

[fierce elm]

but o k a y

[wheat jay]

And its fine

[fierce elm]

Its almost like I wrote it out

In the sentence you replied to

but you are too stupid to read and just react to everything instead of getting any sort of context

You always do this man

[wheat jay]

Not a mix of it per se id say, mix of it is fine, like survi

But ret is broken in both departments

[fierce elm]

Mix of it is fine

then says its broken in both departments

Survival doesn't have that mixture

[wheat jay]

Survi has plenty of cc, good utility, good dmg

But not broken in any of the 3

[fierce elm]

Alright point me where Survival has a 30% dr it can put on teammates, a full physical/magic immunity for teammates and a full HP heal that doesn't get affected by diminishing

Point me where you have freedom for your team

Point me where you have a 1 minute CC break for your healer

Point me where you have an AoE disarm

This is without even considering HoJ into Rep

Let's also not forget that Paladin has a better turtle too

So yeah, I would say that Survival doesn't have that mixture

[wheat jay]

Survi does

Disarm that after it runs out explodes into aoe disarm

Freedom

[fierce elm]

Yeah okay lets up it then

Point me where you have an AoE disarm and forcing spells to miss

on a 45 second cooldown

Can we now see that Survival doesn't have that mixture lmao

[wheat jay]

Ye, therefore ret broken in utility

But its also BROKEN AS FUCK on dmg

[fierce elm]

lmao

So survival doesn't have good utility compared to ret

weird

Its almost like I said all of this beforehand but you once again DONT READ

[wheat jay]

Nerf ret

Too op

Netf utility, nerf dmg

Remove glare from the game

I'd say like 7% dmg nerf and removing glare would fix it

[fierce elm]

lmfao

what are we gonna do about survival

Can we get some representation on Survival so we can nerf it

[hollow plover]

Both survi players are already on suicide watch, no need to nerf

[fickle forge]

Removing glare would do a lot

[fierce elm]

For who

doesnt reduce damage

doesnt stop the immunities lmao

[fickle forge]

It stops my frustrations

[high fern]

is our tierset good for pvp arms?

[fierce elm]

4 set is decent for colo

2 set for slayer

[lavish quest]

Nerfing casters is the real fix here, let's not forget it.

[high fern]

is it still the move to go 4pc if you play slayer? or do you just stick to 2pc

[lavish quest]

I don't think he trusts you Afro

[fierce elm]

he really doesn't

[torpid grove]

is fury using 4 set ?

[fierce elm]

probs not

[torpid grove]

would it be a downgrade or same/same vs conquest gear ? I can slap the pvp stats on my pve tierset or buy conquest

[high fern]

is it grief to sit in def stance the whole time

[fierce elm]

yes

[fierce elm]

You are spending an equal amount of conquest

so it doesn't matter

[high fern]

so i really have to change stance a lot?

[fierce elm]

yes

[high fern]

gotcha

[torpid grove]

equal amount yes but I dont have to swap gear 🙂 also for when not pvp'ing is handy

so I wondered what the diff is in 4-set vs 2-set + conq

[fierce elm]

Look man, its gonna be a downgrade. Will it matter in the long run? Probably not, will it matter a little right now? yeah probably

The difference can't be measured

You are gonna lose a bit of vers which means you are gonna take more damage

how you value your own stats is up to each individual player but yes, its probably a downgrade

[torpid grove]

ok, since I'll never be high rated I'll just go with the 4-set now and get the conquest pieces later in the season should it come to those small differences

[fierce elm]

yeah its gonna be fine regardless

[lavish quest]

Sorry, shut up since you haven't played arms this season Afro

Clueless

[fierce elm]

: (

[elfin surge]

goat

[novel crater]

Nope

[novel crater]

LMAO

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goat-washed-my-goat-is-washed-washed-goat-your-goat-is-washed-mfw-my-goat-is-washed-gif-11435157539877774481

[frank knoll]

I’ve watched him play
He kinda sucks ngl
Just W keys and cries about his team

[fickle forge]

What

He's a blizzcon champ brother

Wdym lmao

[frank knoll]

Was
A long time ago

[lavish quest]

I agree with you but don't at the same time.
Because that's what all warriors do 😂

[fickle forge]

He's consistently at the top on warrior

[frank knoll]

If that’s Blizzcon champ gameplay then idk man

[fickle forge]

We're warriors dude

Lmao

All we do is W key

[frank knoll]

Next ur gonna tell me Bajheera is Natty

[lavish quest]

Nah, he Vegan

[frank knoll]

Or @elfin surge doesn’t have an egirl harem

[fickle forge]

Joe just lacks a team for 3s lmao

All he does is Q shuffle on stream

[lavish quest]

He has only 1.

All the other ones rejected him

[fickle forge]

Still goes 2.8k+ on 10 warriors

[frank knoll]

😦

I wonder why he doesn’t have 3s partners lmao

Hmmmm

[fickle forge]

You gotta play pretty consistently to do so

[lavish quest]

https://www.twitch.tv/itslit/clip/GiftedSnappyPotatoRalpherZ

[fickle forge]

You either have friends or you play enough that you're irreplacable

[frank knoll]

Dude I remember this lmao

[elfin surge]

LMFAO

Gm chat

[lavish quest]

Gm mud

[wheat jay]

Where is he?

What happened to my boy?

[rancid granite]

he got bullied in ss into quitting for poe2 😭

[wheat jay]

Oh

Rip bozo

L

[lavish quest]

Must of fought a mage. Mages make people quit the game

Trust

[visual plover]

facts i was a mage then i quit

now i am superior class

[rancid granite]

ceezar a ret pally main now?

[lavish quest]

How's your T levels now?

[elfin surge]

[boreal veldt]

so colossus 4p is scuffed

if the final demo hit doesn't go off/bugs you don't get the MS crit bonus

[sharp meteor]

wonder if its like mage or boomie with hpal then where u can

maybe like get cross

[boreal veldt]

it's very random if demo goes off or not due to range, i sent out 5 demos and intervened away mid cast, 2 demos went off and i got buff, 3 never did

[lavish quest]

Demo blows, and I hate it. Except as prot pve

Then big numba

[boreal veldt]

it just seems like an oversight

[lavish quest]

Probably works as it should. If you didn't land demo, then you didn't hit with it

Unless it says just casting it gives the buff

[boreal veldt]

well thats the thing, they "fixed it" so it should always go off even if the target is dead or you hit nothing

and the buff does appear when it hits nothing but still goes off

however if it bugs or is cxl'd before the final hit, no buff

[novel crater]

Good, Fury season it is

[boreal veldt]

this

"Demolish increases Ms crit chance, etc..."

either way

[lavish quest]

Is it really a demolish if you missed? Think about it

[boreal veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198213371154153484.gif?quality=lossless&name=ragey&size=48

[boreal veldt]

I mean... I feel like missing a demolish is one of it's key features

[lavish quest]

I knew Colo was ass

[fickle forge]

Dead game

[lavish quest]

Told ya 3s was dead

[rancid granite]

OK but when it connects... you getting huge burst? we gonna see a new demo nerf next week?

you already got it nerfed for s2

[boreal veldt]

Oh. I've had some absolute blaster moments, might end up getting crit damage nerfed.

Which would be a hilarious nerf

Just tag me at that point

[rancid granite]

lmao

[lavish quest]

Bless is why we can't have good things

[green wharf]

I was doing some dummy hitting with fury pretty fun with arms gear

And the haste rage talent

Its non stop hitting

Bit i think my mastery is too low

Yesterday i also got moged by a shadow priest, came back and killed him but what the fuck is up with their damage

Its. Just me bad or i missed something

[jovial torrent]

i think the rework on themis pretty stronk, whenever i have them in my games they are top dmg done

[urban skiff]

My T levels suck now.

When do i reroll and to what?

[lavish quest]

10 minutes ago and to warrior Or any plate

[urban skiff]

I got 1800 on war slower than on my enh

[spice hornet]

Warrior sucks

[fierce elm]

Warrior do suck

[novel crater]

Arms sucks Fury is decent

Solid B tier

[lavish quest]

Warrior sucks, don't you cope

[elfin surge]

here we go again

[grizzled anvil]

What’d I miss

[fierce elm]

nothing

[grizzled anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-box-gif-4154066459530846772

[fair vault]

So can someone explain to a noob WHY warrior sucks at 1v1'ing?

[fierce elm]

No healing

lack of immunities

lack of good CC

Lack of a disenage/re-engage tool

[fair vault]

and if in a bg i get caught off guard what do i do just run from the 1's back to the team or?

[fierce elm]

You shouldn't be caught off guard but rather around your teammates to some extent

If they are fighting at Waterworks in gilneas BG, you are on waterworks

you are rarely defending alone

and you should never attack alone

[fair vault]

Okay bet so im a team player gotcha haha

[fierce elm]

ya

[fair vault]

You would think a warrior would be kinda more 1's do-able? Were they ever good for duels?

[fierce elm]

They were 'decent' in Vanilla if I recall correctly

but other than that they have never been a 1v1 spec

[fair vault]

gotcha

tysm

[spice hornet]

The only time warr was good for 1v1 was with mop second wind

Otherwise it (arms) has always needed a healer to baby sit

[lavish quest]

You say again. I say we never stopped.

[fickle forge]

We Q'd into an enh sham today

In 3s

[torpid grove]

I've learned since I play warr in bgs to just find the healers and stick with them

on my own its worse 🙂

[urban skiff]

Enh on sharp incline. People are seeing the numbers. Can't wait to pick up weapons and equip that 4set

[worldly oriole]

Holy shit Just Lifted More Than I Ever Have In That Upper Body Workout

[fierce elm]

They did not win

or even get close

[fickle forge]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuh

Yeah

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah

[fierce elm]

lmao

[worldly oriole]

I've seen the numbahs!!

[fickle forge]

It was an incredibly close game

We just happened to do more than double their dam

Lmao

But hey enh is on the rise

[urban skiff]

Bet he played doggos and high haste.

Idk why these guys can make it up to your level and i can't.

Must have a different win condition than "INFINITE POWAHHHH"

[fierce elm]

he was doggos

[urban skiff]

And high haste. Yeah worst build in the world

This is a guy playing the enh equivalent of SMF fury with all haste no mastery

[north thicket]

Nobody on pvp team could see Ret S+ tier again this season. Sure, it was very difficult to guess...

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ghosts-of-karesh-official-patch-notes-377966

[fierce elm]

c r a z y

[fickle forge]

Probaby just the team holding you back

[fierce elm]

My guy went back to recall him posting notes about buffs to specs

Instead of just getting better

c r a z y

[fickle forge]

Also what

What am I seeing

[fierce elm]

The last patch in PTR Ret received amssive buffs

because it was in such a bad state

He is claiming nobody on the PvP team could see ret being S+tier

This dude also thinks ret was s+ tier last season judging from his wording

which is just hilarious

[north thicket]

Don't imply words I haven't said

[fierce elm]

again entails once more

[north thicket]

Again means again after some other previous seasons and expansions NOT the last one

[lavish quest]

Ret is B tier right?

[fierce elm]

So about last s4 DF was when ret was s tier

[north thicket]

If you ask Afro it's A- and they shouldnt touch it

[fierce elm]

?

Lmao

Remember when Arms/Fury were top dogs all of TWW

weird

[north thicket]

weird

[fierce elm]

I dont recall you coming in here complaining about it

[lavish quest]

I don't

Buff war

[fierce elm]

3s it was absurdly dominant with Ele

[lavish quest]

Who plays 3s?

[north thicket]

Remmeber how 585 years the sun was over for 2min and the shit hit the fan

[lavish quest]

@elfin surge doesn't even play 3s anymore

[fierce elm]

lmfao

Its crazy

Its just that none of yall can objectively pin point where ret is strong

[fierce elm]

and it's hilarious

Yes

I have said all of that

[north thicket]

BRUH Did you play PTR bruh

[fierce elm]

No?

I never claimed I did

Is any of what I wrote there with the knowledge we had then wrong

[north thicket]

You asked me if I did to diminish the obvious point

[fierce elm]

yes

[north thicket]

That Ret is getting obnoxius again

[fierce elm]

Are we talking PTR right now or live lmfao

We are playing in the season where this has gone live

and we are looking at it

facing it

[green wharf]

gimme the stats spread for fury latter

[north thicket]

This was 30 days ago

[fierce elm]

YES

[north thicket]

when 11.2 was PTR

[green wharf]

i think i have too much haste

[fierce elm]

Was the season out 30 days ago?

[copper fox]

wtf is going on

[fierce elm]

You probably do compared to what we will end up with

The honor and warmode gear has very weird stats overall

[fierce elm]

You know when warrior was REALLY good, like ABSURDLY good and every 1800 came out of the woodworks to complain about it like they couldn't climb because of it?

Ret is going through the same thing right now

[north thicket]

Unsure how did you come to this conclusion

But the thing is

[fierce elm]

Let me see your rating and lets see if this is true

[elfin surge]

i main goonshire rp

[fierce elm]

Is ret absurd, yeah it probably is

Could this be noticed on the PTR that has no testing? no

lmfao

[lavish quest]

When you hooking the boys up?

[elfin surge]

[fierce elm]

Are we week 3 without any major nerfs to any specs, yes

Is the meta going to evolve as gear changes, 4 set is acquired and weapons are acquired, yes

Will ret fall out? probably not

[worldly oriole]

This Is Too Logical

[north thicket]

"Data-dependent" Afro 🤣

[fierce elm]

???

[worldly oriole]

Raw ANd Real

[fierce elm]

Im gonna give you the raw damage numbers of PvE and I want you to buff and nerf them in PvP with no testing for it

[lavish quest]

I think Taurine lost to a ret

[fierce elm]

and we can see how well you are gonna do with that information

[north thicket]

No, I didn't but I definitely would lose 1v1

And also I have a Ret myself

[fierce elm]

Losing 1v1 to a ret as a warrior no w a a y

[lavish quest]

No one cares about 1v1 btw

[urban skiff]

yo anyone here tried playing WoW with Smooth Motion enabled yet? I can't decide if it feels right or not

[fierce elm]

Now I am gonna do the logical thing here, what would you nerf about ret

[north thicket]

The thing is not about Ret

[fierce elm]

specific things here because you are doing the job of the PvP dev team right now

[urban skiff]

My 1% lows are practically gone with it enabled but

[fierce elm]

And would you nerf other specs too

[urban skiff]

not sure how to measure latency to see if i'm just tricking myself into playing worse

[fierce elm]

what the hell is this

[urban skiff]

DLSS for 40's and 50's cards in games that don't support DLSS

[fierce elm]

oh yeah

I mean it probs works

Idk how good it would work however in WoW

[north thicket]

It's about a <Insert Random Spec> that is obviously overbuffed and launch it live

So bad it's unreal.

[fierce elm]

tbf I just turned everything down a fuckton

[fierce elm]

So about half of the specs right now?

Also it wasn't obviously overbuffed

Ret was still bottom in PvE

lmfao

Which is the ONLY thing they had Data on

[urban skiff]

I mean I'm in the middle of dorn with maxed graphics and i'm clocking 110 fps with 1% lows at 70ish fps

[fierce elm]

yeah thats about expected

[worldly oriole]

19min que lol

[urban skiff]

Pretty sure when I landed here around 10 in the morning before enabling it I was at 60 fps

[fierce elm]

WoW is built from spaghetti coding and is not optimized whatsoever while also being a pretty heavy game

[lavish quest]

I think I heard something about this

[fierce elm]

Weird

[lavish quest]

Something about shutting down a discord

[copper fox]

You would lose 1v1 to anything

[urban skiff]

I think I'm seein gpretty bad ghosting though

[north thicket]

Afro, do you understand that how data works and why data-dependency is a bad thing because it leads to lagging decisions?

[fierce elm]

"This spec is obviously overbuffed from the data they get" needs a 5% buff to EVERYTHING in order to get middle of the pack

Brother how else would you nerf and buff stuff without the data collecting lmfao

Are you going off vibes alone?

The spec was underperforming in PTR testing and when it launched to Live

[lavish quest]

Are you suggesting they randomly nerf things on the off chance it would be OP?

[fierce elm]

We can solve this pretty easily, what specs would you nerf and what specs would you buff right now and how much

We clearly don't need any data

Why do it like every other modern game that requires balancing of classes/heroes/specs when we can go off vibes alone

[copper fox]

Data is fake and paid for by Big Data

[north thicket]

I am suggesting that after after so many years of experience one anticipate when overbuffed/underbuffed

[fierce elm]

Alright so Ret still required a 5% buff in PvE

when it went live

to get mid-pack in raid

Is the spec overbuffed

[north thicket]

Let's not mess with PvE now

[fierce elm]

That is what they could base their decision on

[lavish quest]

That's what they balance

[fierce elm]

Otherwise its pure vibes lmao

[urban skiff]

Just do it the enhancement way and always buff the other hero talent tree, when people start swapping you know you're there

[fierce elm]

Find us one game that does pure vibes buffing and nerfing

[north thicket]

Pure vibes? So all these Ret streamers didn't touch PTR at all, to provide data

[copper fox]

Fiesta Online

[fierce elm]

There is never any PvP testing on PTR

The ret streamers played PvE on testing

[worldly oriole]

Whats a good ranged spec to gear

[fierce elm]

because there isn't any PvP testing

[worldly oriole]

lel

[urban skiff]

idk pokemon?

[fierce elm]

and in PvE they were severely underwhelming lmfao

[lavish quest]

Ret

[fierce elm]

Arcane

Boomkin

[worldly oriole]

smh lol

[copper fox]

Nope smogon/showdown use data

[fierce elm]

Like you out here wanting them to anticipate a spec being good without any data

which is CRAZY expectations

and I certainly don't know a single game that requires balancing to this extent that does that

[north thicket]

Sure

After 30 years of WoW it's too much to expect

[urban skiff]

THANK YOU BLIZZARD JUST WHAT I NEED A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO REMEMBER WHO I AM AFTER THEY GET OUT OF SHUFFLE

[fierce elm]

yes

[north thicket]

near-term forecasting

Sure

[fierce elm]

It literally is lmfao

Naa you right now

I want you to predict Midnight season 1

Right now

and we are gonna save this

and see how accurate you are

Then do that every season

[north thicket]

You are not making a good argument here

[fierce elm]

Am I not?

[north thicket]

Midnight is NOT a season!

[lavish quest]

How does ret offend you so much?

[fierce elm]

You clearly want to act like you know how to balance and how the balancing act works

[north thicket]

It's a new expansion

[fierce elm]

Therefore, predict Midnight season 1 for me

Brother its a new thing every season lmao

[copper fox]

Here’s the issue. I’ve put down so many rets easily omw to 2400. What about those rets? So what rating rets are we basing this off of

[fierce elm]

I did ask you however which specs you would want to see nerfed and which specs you would want to see buffed

You can do that right now

you even have data with it

[north thicket]

Brother, there is more continuity in between season rather than expansion

[fierce elm]

that is what I am saying lmao

Taurine, what specs would you want to be nerfed right now

and what specs would you want to be buffed

Take in mind that you have 4 brackets to think about here

[lavish quest]

I was one of those

Probably

Maybe

[north thicket]

It's not about me, it's about the community perception that - except for paladins themselves - think Ret is overbuffed in a relatively fast-paced gameplay which further worsens the problem since they are immunity-based class

[fierce elm]

No high ret is defending Ret paladin right now

[worldly oriole]

I'm Gearing Boom

[fierce elm]

Ret paladin is absurd

it really is

but I did ask you a question

and honestly, since you want to invite into the discussion of balancing I am curious to see what balancing changes you would do

what you see on the ladder

and what issues you would want to fix

[north thicket]

I haven't thought about it, but one issue is to fix the Rallying Cry bug fix

[copper fox]

True but I don’t think that applies to this conversation

[north thicket]

For Warriors specifically I stand with Mud and would like to see more durability and disruption like juggernaut style

[fierce elm]

I did say issues he would want to fix @copper fox

I am curious here

trying to figure out if he has a Ret-hatred or actually thought about balancing as a whole

Because Ret is only one of many offenders right now lmao

[lavish quest]

Remove mages from the game. That is the change we need

[fierce elm]

Like Leland has a hatred towards Mages

[north thicket]

I don't have a Ret hatred - the right word is bias

[lavish quest]

Justified hatred

[fierce elm]

every mage spec could be F-tier and he would still be out here hating them

and I respect that

[north thicket]

I have a Mage bias, for sure :)))

F these

[fierce elm]

Alright, Ret is performing below a bunch of specs in 3s

UHDK is arguably the best melee in the game right now

[lavish quest]

F-tier would mean they're still in the game so we haven't gone far enough.

[fierce elm]

Arcane/Boomkin are probably the best casters in the entire game right now

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/deus-vult-knight-weapons-dangerous-templar-gif-17265315

[fierce elm]

DH/MW is dominating the 2s bracket by far

[worldly oriole]

Dang Bro Guess I Should Push 2s Lol

[fierce elm]

If you want to discuss balance you need to have an idea of how the ladder looks outside of a basic perspective of "Ret busted"

Especially if you want to talk about how Blizzard Balances

and that they can't vibe balance because the game has existed for a long time

It would be interesting to see how many times they swap the team-members of each area out per year

[north thicket]

it's not vibe balance

[fierce elm]

Then also look at how the meta changes across 4 brackets

[north thicket]

it's called risk/downside management

[fierce elm]

Because there is no PvP testing on the PTR every season starts out like this

And honestly, compared to other season this start has been absurdly balanced lmfao

This season went live with one game-breaking bug that was immediately fixed

[earnest thorn]

Is Colo arms worth messing with? The bleed boosts just kinda seem like pad but idk

[fierce elm]

You could try it out

Some people swear by it

some don't

[copper fox]

We should buff rets wall

It’s really bad

[earnest thorn]

Ok, I got 4p, I’ll give it a shot. Can’t imagine it feels better than the extra executes from slayer rn

[fierce elm]

I gotta say

Fury feels better than Arms lmfao

[lavish quest]

If you're good at landing demo then you can

[fierce elm]

Kargish baited me into trying Thane and man it is bad

[lavish quest]

If you miss it kms moment

[copper fox]

I wasn’t lying

Thane is ass yea

Does nothing

[lavish quest]

Hey... I hit 2400 with thane s1

[fierce elm]

Yeah thats old boomer

[lavish quest]

Got legend with thane

[copper fox]

Boomer thane

[earnest thorn]

Stun or spear into demo usually yea? I get scared sending it natty and when you send it you’re dropping the arterial bleed stacks

[lavish quest]

There were certainly booms

[lavish quest]

Prob stun tbh

Feel like they can still squirrel it in spear

But I hate Colo so I'm no expert

[earnest thorn]

Dumb part is demo is how you guarantee the crit MS that buffs your bleeds;… but sending demo also resets your bleed dmg stacks lol

I guess it works after any crit MS, but anti synergy bugs me

[copper fox]

The tradeoff is a 1 shot if you land it

So it’s fair

[earnest thorn]

What kinda demos y’all seeing?

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/sans-dodge-sans-dodge-uwu-anime-gif-24731981

[copper fox]

None

[earnest thorn]

Well I’m convinced. Cookin up some based bleed pad demo whiff build rn

[shell iron]

Are prot warriors pretty much immortal in 1v1 world pvp?

like can they tank any DPS class with ease?

[novel crater]

Pins

[sharp meteor]

Very durable into physical stuff.

[warped reef]

hmm, should i play with my 704 pve hands to get 4 set

[novel crater]

As what spec?

[warped reef]

arms slayer

[sharp meteor]

Colo arms 4pc seems good

slayer considerably less so

although I haven't tested heavily

[fierce elm]

hell no brother

[warped reef]

@fierce elm its 6 ilevel loss compared to honor

i think its a hard choice tbh

[sharp meteor]

6 ilev is fine if the bonus is good

like that's an easy call

[fierce elm]

What is the slayer bonus again lmfao

[sharp meteor]

procs a 50% reap the storm which hits for like 100k

which seems beyond terrible

whcih is why i said maybe as colo

but not as slayer

[fierce elm]

yeah

[warped reef]

also flat overpower dmg

[sharp meteor]

slayer u just play shoulders legs prob

unless im overlookin some interaction

[warped reef]

ye i was thinking that

ty

[copper fox]

No shot slayer ever plays 4pc

[novel crater]

U dont play 4 set, u play 2 set

[fair vault]

whats better in 2's fury or arms? im planning on runnign w a warlock destro specifically.

[lavish quest]

[scarlet barn]

I love warlocks in pvp

They taste...deliciously

[fierce elm]

If you are odiong for fun, probs Fury lmao

But you would probably want to try out 3s with that

[fair vault]

kk tysm

[honest crown]

Hello ! My friend (arms warrior) is telling me that Dragon Charge is viable, could anyone confirm that it's just a lie ?

[novel crater]

lie

U can prob run it in blitz and wpvp but not in arena

[earnest thorn]

It has some use for open world or bgs, maybe some bg blitz map where you can knock, but that’s it

[honest crown]

Thanks ! 😄

[hollow ore]

THEY DONT HAVE THE VISION

THE KNOCKBACK

THE SPACE IT CREATES!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-no-stare-insane-gif-15932475392841589612

[sharp meteor]

Viable in what context

Because I think losing heroic leap for a charge that knocks people back that can also be cc'd is bad in the overwhelming majority of situations, esp because it also eats an honor talent slot

MAYBE in Blitz because it lets you leg it across the map potentially with the flag.

[icy wave]

guys any tips on improving survivability i feel like i always crumble under pressure

[lavish quest]

prayge

[sharp meteor]

You and me both, buddy.

[lavish quest]

To blizz for some buff

[tribal wedge]

oh the blizz API is fixed

[lavish quest]

PogFishAnimated

[spice hornet]

this is just how warrior feels in s3 at the moment

[sharp meteor]

trying to see how i could avoid dmg and i just cant cos its a throw glaive ticking for 900k

on my entire team

[spice hornet]

You Will Re-Roll to the Modern Version of Warrior (DH)

[lethal hawk]

so fury vs rogues best tactic is just to bend over and let him finish fast :S

[sharp meteor]

rogue is

difficult ^^

[lethal hawk]

ddint win single rogue arena after respecing fury

[green wharf]

So if im about to switch to colossus from slayer as arms(prob will not) what im expect to be different besides playing with rend 🤢

[lethal hawk]

expect beeing good in pve 😉

[fierce elm]

You wont miss demo

you will hit execute more

[green wharf]

what

i mean im slayer going to colossus

isnt the other way around

[fierce elm]

Oh

lmfao

I mean not much different

Sweeping gains a ton of value

its a bit different with how demo works but honestly outside of that its fine

[pale dew]

Heya! Will this run Midnight in high q? Lenovo LOQ — Intel Core i5-12450HX, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, RTX 3050, 15.6" FHD 144Hz

[fierce elm]

brother midnight isnt even out

The ram might be a bit low and honestly WoW is so fucking big

but yeah, probably

[pale dew]

what does it mean is so fucking big? lol

ok thanks

[fierce elm]

In size

[icy wave]

its a big game

eats a lot of gbs in your ssd

[fierce elm]

would your 512gb be your only harddrive

that can be limiting

[pale dew]

i only use my laptop for wow

[fierce elm]

yeah then its probably fine

The 16gb ram might be a bit low but honestly I think it will be fine

[green wharf]

if youa re running TWW fine

[fierce elm]

If buying from a retailer you have return-rights anyways

[green wharf]

then its fine

[fierce elm]

also that

[pale dew]

thanks ppl!

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-dies-dies-from-cringe-dying-from-cringe-dies-to-cringe-gif-7438506245051526559

[worldly oriole]

I Can't Believe I Fought Beary Halls At 2k Yesterday

[copper fox]

He Sucks

[copper fox]

You good at mw yet

[frank knoll]

Getting there

[green wharf]

why people are using this for their warriors?

[placid patio]

whats you guys playn atm as arms ? 4set or 2set im not sure about hands, helmet and chest cause of the crit

• right now playn 2 set and thinking about what to buy next

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/de-de/character/eu/blackmoore/midloy/

[green wharf]

people said 2p slayer, 4p if you play colossus

[fierce elm]

Get conq chest + bloody token helmet and dont think about it

Odds are we are gonna run 2 set as Slayer for the rest of the season

Also, craft your neck if you haven't

Armory might be bugged there

[placid patio]

na not bugged i fucked up at season start - came back to wow after break and crafted 3 rings by missclick xD

[fierce elm]

kek

[placid patio]

chest mastery or haste

[fierce elm]

mastery probs

[icy wave]

love this game

[sharp meteor]

[wheat jay]

Slayer set bad?

[fierce elm]

The 4 set does nothing

whatsoever lmao

[placid patio]

i do what afro says

[green wharf]

so 33% haste for fury is bad, noted

[sharp meteor]

4pc seems to be terrible

[placid patio]

https://tenor.com/view/what-he-said-look-up-see-that-caujuan-mayo-caujuan-gif-20835281

[sharp meteor]

2pc is obviously quite good and free

[green wharf]

i think its kinda nothingburger

you dont lose status going 4p anyway

and its free procs when it happens

[copper fox]

Horrible

[sharp meteor]

[copper fox]

Zyeg that’s fried

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[fierce elm]

I run 50% haste fury

[sharp meteor]

"its free dmg its free stats" and it's literally not

[wheat jay]

I just got my 4set on dh, its kinda hroken for pvp tier sets

[green wharf]

no

i meant to say you dont lose many stats for 4p

[sharp meteor]

okay so you lose some stats which are dmg

[green wharf]

you lose a bit of verst for mastery but thats it

[sharp meteor]

for a proc which does

almost no dmg

[fierce elm]

100k proc damage poggers

[dense herald]

sit in dstance

when ur being targeted

spam ignore pain off cd

[sharp meteor]

taking 2 crit pieces so i can rng a 80k reap proc WOOO

[dense herald]

if ur arms

[green wharf]

i have this with 4 piece

[fierce elm]

Goddamn your haste is so fried lmao

[green wharf]

how?

[fierce elm]

Is this fury?

[green wharf]

no its arms

[fierce elm]

goddamn thats still kinda fried

thats a whole lotta haste

[sharp meteor]

"okay so you need crit on 2 pieces but"

[green wharf]

[sharp meteor]

idk why ur still

like

4pc looks like it good for colo arms

maybe thane fury but idk if thane fury gonna be alright

[placid patio]

2set

[fierce elm]

TEMPO

cute

[green wharf]

legit the only thing that changed is that i lost 1% haste and got 3% mastery

[placid patio]

in german sounds so weird xd

[fierce elm]

and 4% vers lmao

[green wharf]

i think verst i only lsot 2%

it was 35% and went to 33%

[worldly oriole]

Just Timed A Nine

[green wharf]

You think 30% haste is too much for arms?

[fierce elm]

yes

absolutely

[green wharf]

i can trade the ring enchants for something

what stats you says

[fierce elm]

Or just recraft ring/neck into mastery

One ring or neck

[green wharf]

my neck is already mastery

[placid patio]

whats the best i can go for statwise

[green wharf]

recraft is worse than just enchanting

[fierce elm]

what the fuck are you running

How the fuck is your ass at 30% haste

show gear

[icy wave]

my haste is also at 30% idk what to do

[green wharf]

2 rings haste+verst, haste gems and enchants

[fierce elm]

Show all gear

FINE

I guess I am gonna armory your character

Oh you are running 4 piece

goddamn 1300 haste from gloves alone

[green wharf]

told you

[fierce elm]

thats a whole lotta haste

[green wharf]

like is aid i can change the rings enchants

verst or mastery?

the chest piece gives a lot of mastery

[fierce elm]

I wouldn't run haste enchants thats for sure lmao

[green wharf]

soi i guess verst

[icy wave]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/azralon/koneq/ armory

[green wharf]

right, but mastery or verst

[icy wave]

i can change one ring enchant

[fierce elm]

vers probs

[icy wave]

recrafting ring is only option i think

[fierce elm]

you need a gem

To activate your embellishments

[icy wave]

i do

desperatly

need moar honor

[placid patio]

@fierce elm whats the ideal stats?

in %

[fierce elm]

Bro idk

20-25% haste

dump rest into mastery

[icy wave]

theres a pinned post

about fury stats

[fierce elm]

Stack vers

Haste is feelycraft

[green wharf]

but suddenly 30 is too much

[fierce elm]

I mean I wouldn't run 30%

thats wack

[icy wave]

i copied someone who was higher rated than me

wont complain idk what im doing

[copper fox]

30% absolutely is too much

[fierce elm]

Feelycraft yo ass into gear purgatory

[violet fossil]

@fierce elm what’s the best stats

[copper fox]

It’s not really feelycraft anymore in s3

[fierce elm]

200% vers 200% mastery 200% haste

[copper fox]

25% is bis

[fierce elm]

Naa Im a 20% enjoyer

For Arms at least lmao

[copper fox]

Oh I’m talking fury

[fierce elm]

Yeah I just equip whatever as Fury

[green wharf]

that is arms, fury we know is less

[violet fossil]

@fierce elm best tertiary stats?

[fierce elm]

Credit card

[copper fox]

30% too much for arms as well

[green wharf]

[violet fossil]

@fierce elm best strength to stamina ratio

[placid patio]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[fierce elm]

@elfin surge

[copper fox]

MOD ME

[fierce elm]

ban this loser

[violet fossil]

@elfin surge

BAN HIM

[copper fox]

@elfin surge

SO SLOW

[fierce elm]

Holy fuck this Val'kyr smh

[elfin surge]

SHUT UP

[violet fossil]

Bros jorking it

[copper fox]

Holy

[sharp meteor]

[violet fossil]

He’s doing it one hand

Give him time

[placid patio]

ma friend - there mocking me

https://tenor.com/view/fried-chicken-chicken-crispy-gif-26074200

[wheat moon]

confirmed by me playing blitz 1300 MMR. Feels like wet noodles

[sharp meteor]

for blitz u could play almost anything stat wise rly

as long as its not crit

[fierce elm]

Taking bets for how long it's gonna take

[worldly oriole]

Take The Average. And Divide By The Time IN Que.

Thank Me Later

[fierce elm]

Thanks Tony

Ya boy just wanted to hit 2.6 before he went to bed

[novel crater]

@sharp meteor did they ever reset blitz mmr? Or will i get a 3200 lobby when I haven’t qed it since S1

[sharp meteor]

They knock everybody down like 500-600ish mmr I think

I think I went 3200>2700ish? 2600ish?

[novel crater]

Good qs will at least pop then

Nicee

[sharp meteor]

ye

[copper fox]

If you haven’t qd since s1?

[sharp meteor]

uhh not sure

[copper fox]

Psure your mmr is reset

[sharp meteor]

i havent played kayn since s1 and he was

3650 or 3700

[copper fox]

O

[sharp meteor]

so might try him in a few days when i finish gear

[tribal holly]

Given the time in eu; 23 minutes

[fierce elm]

You know its looking rough there buddy

[tribal holly]

Maybe its time to log off

[fierce elm]

no

[copper fox]

What’s rating

[fierce elm]

2573

its also 1am lmao

[copper fox]

It’s astral legend season for all of us

[tribal holly]

Mfw i just got home

[fierce elm]

so I don't think I am getting a queue pop

idk, im sitting top 7 rn

[copper fox]

Imagine 5 of us in here get astral legend

[tribal holly]

And this guy is sitting in a que

[fierce elm]

HOLY FUCK

GUYS

[fierce elm]

naaaa

Im gonna get burned out lmao

[copper fox]

Yes

Do it

Nah

Come on

[fierce elm]

I got over stuff to do

holy fuck I got in

lets see the shitty MMR it is lmfao

oh my

[tribal holly]

Youre gonna get farmed

[fierce elm]

idk if a 4-2 even gets me rating here

[copper fox]

Specs?

[fierce elm]

DH 6-0 I think

[copper fox]

Don’t let him

[sharp meteor]

ya throw on his team

[fierce elm]

2-0 withj him so far

LMFAO

a bit cursed

[copper fox]

Dh boomy shouldn’t beat this

Ngl

Not with rets current state lol

[fierce elm]

IT DIDJNT LMFAO

The other ret is templar

DH just got got because he got greedy

[copper fox]

Told you

[fierce elm]

triple spellwarding

into that is fun

lmfao

[copper fox]

If you 6-0 you’re rank 3 btw

I think

[lavish quest]

Brother I had all 10s timed and an 11 last week

Catch up homie

[copper fox]

Tony Is A Pve Main

[left laurel]

ah yes waiting 25 mins to go 3-0 and someone rage quits so I get 5 rating

time for another queue

[lavish quest]

Should still get decent mmr tho

That's more important

[fierce elm]

This other ret sucks donkey ass lmao

[copper fox]

I assume
You lost with the sham

[wheat jay]

You're not doing 12s yet?

[lavish quest]

I could have pushed it ez. But once I had full myth row I stopped running dungeons

[fierce elm]

ya

because the ret ran it lmao

4-1 rn

[worldly oriole]

I Acquired The 1500M+ Title Today

[fierce elm]

yeah 4-2

0 rating gained lets GO

actually

-1 rating lmao

[wheat jay]

Fair

[fierce elm]

Oh well

we go sleep at rank 7

[copper fox]

Rip

[fierce elm]

Thats the issue with queueing now

and it fucking sucks lmao

Gotta queue at like 2pm or something

in order to get the same mmr dudes

[copper fox]

Yea when you’re that high you gotta target q times lol

[fierce elm]

I just kept sniping Lontar earlier lmfao

And as soon as he went to do 3s the queues DIED

[copper fox]

Gotta push r1 this weekend

[fierce elm]

I got work : (

[copper fox]

Quit

[fierce elm]

GOTTA PUSH RANK 1 WEEK 3

Im just grinding legend wins brother

[copper fox]

Then r1

[fierce elm]

I aint good enough for that

Im ass

washed

[copper fox]

Nah you’re fine

[fierce elm]

I definitely don't have the mental fortitude for it

people are gonna call me a Ret reroller anyways lmfao

[copper fox]

It’s fine push as high as you can now before the nerf

[green wharf]

are they lying though

[fierce elm]

no I did reroll Ret

just not this season kek

[fierce elm]

r1 is just gonna be so absurdly high later

I wanted to get 2.7 because its a cool number

[copper fox]

Yea it’ll be over 3k this season without a doubt

3.2ish for ret probably

[fierce elm]

And the dudes that are there are real gamers

[copper fox]

It’s shuffle it’s fine

[lavish quest]

I'm hard stuck 1200. U got this brutha

[fierce elm]

That Yewog dude at the r1 spot is fucking cracked

[worldly oriole]

Very Cracked Gamer

If You Havent Heard

[fierce elm]

Kargish is gonna fucking hate me if I keep queueing SS and burn out lmfao

[green wharf]

@fierce elm is this too much haste?

[lavish quest]

Just don't burn out pussy

[copper fox]

Burning out is for cowards

[fierce elm]

I did get 1 12 done today

[worldly oriole]

Feel Burnt Up The Caffine

[fierce elm]

so 3 12s and 4 13s left for KSL too

[copper fox]

On ret?

[lavish quest]

Yeah I'll probably get that done the week after I get back

[fierce elm]

y

Iam doing EVERYTHING this season

Hopefully the only thing I am gonna miss is Cutting Edge

[fierce elm]

did streets

with Artji and Kargish

even with 8 deaths I think we still timed it with time left

[novel crater]

Burning out? Brother I qed 4 warriors none stop last season and missed R1 by 2 spots… burning out is the cowards way out

Q all season

[fierce elm]

Naaa

[novel crater]

24/7

[fierce elm]

I hit a wall lmfao

Or maybe it was just playing warrior last season kek

[lavish quest]

Carried by me on my EU alt

Trust

[novel crater]

Good then the wall should break before u do

[copper fox]

Afro breaks easy

[fierce elm]

: (

I lose interest lmfao

[copper fox]

Bet you wouldn’t tell your gf that

Exactly

[spice hornet]

When are they giving fury 2 charges of enraged regen

[grizzled anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/commitment-loyalty-dedication-commit-relationship-gif-17350871

[worldly oriole]

Solo shuffle is the worst lol

just 0-6 demo boomie ret double disc

sorry i actually 0-5 cause we tied a round

[lavish quest]

When mages have 5 blocks

[green wharf]

dont they ahve like 4 now

so we getting there

[copper fox]

Skill issue

You’re a dh

One of the best classes

Atm

[cinder cipher]

Question: which pvp spec is better atm? should I go for 2 weapons or stick to my arms?

moreover, if fury, can both swords be the same or do I need one of each 2hander?

[novel crater]

Fury

[novel crater]

2 swords can be the same, vers+mast

[cinder cipher]

dang, now I gotta go learn fury? 😄

[spice hornet]

There’s nothing to learn the rotation is 3 buttons

[cinder cipher]

3?! good god man!

[copper fox]

lol

[sharp meteor]

gotta learn how to live

[worldly oriole]

"DH IS THE BIS" - random guy on the internet

@copper fox

[spice hornet]

uh dh, ret, survival are top

[copper fox]

Tony are you regarded

[spice hornet]

Yes he is

[novel crater]

Hey man 4 if u count bladestorm!

[copper fox]

DH is one of the top classes atm

[novel crater]

Hey man 4 if u count bladestorm!

[spice hornet]

whaats that i pla y the no bladestorm furry build

[copper fox]

2 of their 3s comps are 2 of the top 3 3s comps

[flat isle]

To be fair, to properly play fury you have to ooga booga

[copper fox]

@worldly oriole

[flat isle]

If you booga ooga its not optimal

[worldly oriole]

Yeah dh feels good in 3s. but terrible when your 2100 in shuffle and get shit lobby

but again I complained about solo and now your arguing about a different bracket

[copper fox]

That’s any class but DH has a better chance because it’s literally better

Same in solo

Same shit

Dh>

[worldly oriole]

I've had so many shit lobbies in solo

[fierce elm]

lmao always the lobby

[worldly oriole]

it's disheartening

[fierce elm]

never the player

[copper fox]

Tony your best rating is 2400 you can blame the lobby all you want and not yourself

But that’s just a fact. DH is wild rn

In every bracket

[worldly oriole]

statistics

[copper fox]

Blame anything but yourself buddy

[fierce elm]

THE LOBBIES

[worldly oriole]

Hell ya bro maybe if I was better I would have the 2400 tabsrd already methlytren on the wow forums is right

[copper fox]

Yes? Lmfao

Lots of 2400+ players idk what that moronic statement was

[worldly oriole]

your cringing me out

[flat isle]

Legit question, what are we currently arguing about

I can't be bothered to scroll up

[fierce elm]

Welcome to Tonyworld

[copper fox]

Tony says DH is bad

[worldly oriole]

I said solo shuffle is awful

Never said DH was bad. I just get shot lobbies

[fierce elm]

Blaming the lobbies for a week straight is crazy work

[worldly oriole]

I haven't even qued all that week

[flat isle]

I mean. There are harder lobbies but its not really SHIT lobbies

[worldly oriole]

it's 2 duelist disc priests lol

[fierce elm]

Like lets be real what SS spec does DH NOT pair well with?

[flat isle]

I thought this was a shit lobby

But I went 5-1

and it was on fucking mugambala

So we gucci

[sharp meteor]

what was other dps

cos usaully warrio aight with lock

and into lock

[copper fox]

Yea fury wins that even on that map

So you’re fine