pvp

[ancient sonnet]

Ah didn't realize they could all be under the same bnet then. So I could have my kid under my bnet and have all my mogs etc?

[sharp meteor]

not meant to acc share officially

but ya thats a thing

lets u share mounts mog etc

just run into issues if blizz knows

[urban skiff]

But if your kid wants to split someday I think they can't do that

[sharp meteor]

or ur accessing ac from diff locations a lot

[jovial torrent]

does being on seperate pc's mess with that

cus i assume ppl that do the wow123 just have multiple clients on the same pc and tab out to whichever q pops

[urban skiff]

It's no different than playing WoW on one PC and D4 on another and D3 on a third pc

[sharp meteor]

ya

[urban skiff]

or the same PC

[sharp meteor]

acc sharing with somebody just

only gonna end in

some mishap

unless you live together perma

[ancient sonnet]

Yea probably be better to get him his own account if/when he wants to play seriously

[sharp meteor]

aslo good to have acc in name in case it gets locked

cos if u get banned for weird activity

[urban skiff]

I always assume it's a live in situation when there's some semblance of sharing

[sharp meteor]

and call up

and they request id

and your acc name is your dads

well ig that can sort of be fixed but

[urban skiff]

Then he also can't get yours banned when he's a bit older 🥸

[jovial torrent]

yeh lol you would have to be mad to just share a acc with someone, especially if blizz eventually adds some sort of harsher penalties to stop ppl buying glad on wow2 for their wow1 acc

[ancient sonnet]

Yea thats true lol

[worldly oriole]

lololololl did he really spend 1200 on race changes

[sharp meteor]

only way to faction 40 chars

also has 2-3 accs to q

psure not even the first time he changed race of all his chars

[worldly oriole]

he should make a rap music video about it

[lavish quest]

You can share with your kids I'm pretty sure. They okay that in the rules, at least while they are below 18 I think

[sharp meteor]

kind of not really

it's sort of a "kid can make a char if you're there with them" type of thing

like there isnt meant to be any sort of acc sharing but there is

a bit of leeway

and ofc it happens a lot

with family so

[lavish quest]

What if we identify as the same person?

[sharp meteor]

gm bans u for sas

[lavish quest]

Time to cancel the GM

[urban skiff]

which one of you guys is this

Can't afford a shirt so figured he's into pvp

[ancient sonnet]

He'll fit right in here!

[dense herald]

going 3-3 and losing 20mmr is so stupid

[ancient sonnet]

go 4-2 then

[dense herald]

i couldnt

[ancient sonnet]

They should just hide mmr and it would solve a lot of issues

[dense herald]

bro i hate it when ppl just go healer

[ancient sonnet]

Yea that's a terrible strat for the most part

[dense herald]

nah it works

for some reason

rogue went 5-1

[urban skiff]

m8 you have no idea how good you have it

[dense herald]

i won 1 round against him

[ancient sonnet]

I mean assa goes healer after getting their dots out sure

[dense herald]

was outlaw rogue

[ancient sonnet]

Or DKs grip in healers etc. But just tunneling a healer is a bad idea

[lavish quest]

People would just not know why they're malding

[dense herald]

it works

idk why

last round we just went resto druid he died 2nd go

[ancient sonnet]

Hmm yea that's odd. I mean resto druids are great targets to swap to obviously. But it'd be weird to just train one

[dense herald]

he trinketed first go

just died 2nd go

i hit demolish and his hp drop

[urban skiff]

getting my ass beat in another healerdiff lobby

[ancient sonnet]

Yea I've come around on Demolish a lot. It actually kinda pumps

[worldly oriole]

did nighthold and antorus like 25 times past 2 days lol

[spice hornet]

[dense herald]

dont

legion remix was confirmed

u can just buy the mounts in remix

[spice hornet]

the 1600mmr cabal keeping Retalihate down

[urban skiff]

Did more damage than the assa rogue in the cramped map

[urban skiff]

idk what it was

Also I really need a weakaura that tells me what targets are orcs

[spice hornet]

make an NA account and come play

[urban skiff]

I would but I don't suck

[spice hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

[sharp meteor]

300 mmr below where you start

so this is equiv of 1200 if we remove inflation

[urban skiff]

everybody knows 1688 MMR sub rogue is equivalent to 3k arms

[spice hornet]

[urban skiff]

no such thing

inflation is a lie

[spice hornet]

zercher is definitely an enigma

full binds

presses all globals

data driven results and analysis

1600 mmr

[sharp meteor]

Just no results.

[urban skiff]

I was over 2k mmr less than 48 hours ago

[sharp meteor]

"dude i was 5k mmr i just didnt play enough"

[urban skiff]

Just lobby after lobby with 1-2 warriors

[spice hornet]

those starting MMR wars just ruining every go

perfectly

nothing you coulda done

[urban skiff]

I love to pull this statistic up because it's nuts

middle line is the team divide

30+ seconds of cc fighting 2 warriors and a disc

fight was 2 min 15 sec

[frail badge]

i was told in game you can buy bloody token gear and turn it into tier gear and it will be the full pvp item level as if you were to turn conquest gear into tier gear
is this true

[urban skiff]

Bloody token gear turned into tier pieces keeps bloody token gear ilvl, doesn't turn into conquest ilvl

so it will have lower ilvl, but not by much

[sharp meteor]

bloody token is 3 ilev lower

[lavish quest]

Tiering it does not magically add 3 ilvls

Unless there's a bug or somethin

[frail badge]

ok thanks yall

[urban skiff]

What should i do for my birthday? No kids home. Was thinking either day drinking from sun up and play REPO with the wife, or force her to watch all of Spartacus season 1+0

[full quiver]

Haha

That show was sweet

I swear they did some kind of audience demographic test though because like season 3 onwards it had tons of gay sex spam

[wheat jay]

Im watching rn

S4

[frail badge]

its your birthday? happy birthday! hope you have a greadt day!

if you happen to have old joystick for flight sims and like fighter jets i would recoomend falcon bms, you buy the base game faclon 4.0 on gog then get the free bms mod

the game is like $5 or so i think

its the best f 16 sim and now it has f15 c and has full dynamic campain

[urban skiff]

Not yet. Planning it for Friday. Tomorrow i go to legoland with my kid. 😁

[frail badge]

just had a big update to its graphics to

there are online communties to to fly co op with

[urban skiff]

Great show. I think you mean season 3? I just can watch season the final seasons 2 and 3 because they lack the backstabby politics of season 1 and season 0.

[worldly oriole]

Just had 20pc nuggets from wendys

like a boss

[urban skiff]

Also im having difficulty watching because they swapped the main actor for those seasons. For good reason but him dying to cancer when i watched that show and having cancer myself at that time was just too much

[frail badge]

how much conquest to i need to farm via crate farm
im at 4,380 so far
to get a good amount or full set of conquest gear

[worldly oriole]

Lols

i joined a crate group once and left

[frail badge]

oh

this is my third time doing

it

i hit 1800 on hunter rogue and now im working on warrior

[urban skiff]

i lead one once for 10 hours straight

[worldly oriole]

kek

[urban skiff]

came back the next day and it was still going with the same name and all

[dense herald]

@fickle forge bro gg

[fickle forge]

Was you bro?

ggs

Felt like I was 10% all game

[dense herald]

yea we kinda overlapped everything first go kek

[fickle forge]

Yeah your mage thought he was a melee and stood on top of all 4 of us

[worldly oriole]

nothin like washin a caffeine pill down with some coffee

xxD

[urban skiff]

wash it down with a monster

[wheat jay]

Ye ye, i count s0 as s2 kinda, chronology of releases

[worldly oriole]

Lol i wish

[wheat jay]

My favourite show

[urban skiff]

double up the fun by also downing your C-vitamins and Vyvanse

[spice hornet]

Tums and Adderall

[urban skiff]

yo what is this shit

Dastardly duos over but still take up 200 inventory slots

[worldly oriole]

dastardly is over?

[urban skiff]

ya

I speed-ran all the achievements this morning with 20 minutes left

[worldly oriole]

nice work bud

[urban skiff]

looks like an interesting fiight

their healer didn't accept

ez climb

zuggzugg

womp womp

[lavish quest]

There's way more zug zug comps than this

[urban skiff]

Sure but since Choppah is too cool to play with us

we have to settle for this 2.6k war instead

I forgot doggos

rogue did not like that final second of his life

[urban skiff]

I mean it's all W-classes right?

What's more zugzug than turbo?

[lavish quest]

Warrior mm is not turbo

Ur pick under it showed war mm nerd

[lavish quest]

And tsg

[wheat jay]

You elite yet?

[fickle forge]

Been for a while

[wheat jay]

On monk nerd

[urban skiff]

zugzugging here for fun

[fickle forge]

Uuuuh, no idea

I'm playing with James' SP

[wheat jay]

Oh

[urban skiff]

can i please have MS

so I can play with 2 healers

[lavish quest]

Elite yet?

[wheat jay]

Irl, always

[lavish quest]

No one cares about irl

[urban skiff]

I care

why are warriors so focused on just hitting one target?

It's straight up uncanny

[copper fox]

Astral Warlord when

[spice hornet]

Soon

[worldly oriole]

seven eight heroic alt

[spice hornet]

Hahahah

[urban skiff]

You're EU, right??

[worldly oriole]

na

[urban skiff]

fuck sake

I'm chubby asf, chase me bro

Why won't you chase me?

[verbal tangle]

[urban skiff]

what the actual fuck are WW monks made of

[fickle forge]

It's called rolling ele

[fickle forge]

Your ascendance²

[urban skiff]

THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN HOW A WW IS PULLING THAT MUCH DAMAGE

[sharp meteor]

https://d2ertrwg9e34np.cloudfront.net/original/1X/4be80c78b4c47380ca3efcab299b35b3de7cc93e.png

Void battos.

[fickle forge]

Because it's the best melee in the game

Completely overtuned

Has 2 charges of Ascendance

[urban skiff]

yeah but like

[sharp meteor]

@spice hornet

[urban skiff]

what's the actual stuff I want to stop

[spice hornet]

OMG

[fickle forge]

Images

You can't stop conduit cause he's CC immune

[spice hornet]

I got it changed

[sharp meteor]

ya bless

[spice hornet]

I can't believe it

I annoyed Blizzard enough

[fickle forge]

It's actually kinda good now what the fuck

[urban skiff]

bats are always glad mounts now

[boreal veldt]

tag me coward

also it's nice getting the most basic acknowledgement like a theme appropriate mount even if it's still a bat

[urban skiff]

It's an ASTRAL bat

[wheat jay]

Warrior best tho

And most represented

[boreal veldt]

ass trail bat

[wheat jay]

Thsts a cool ass bat ngl

[urban skiff]

oh nice

[boreal veldt]

6month sub just got a bat model dragon

[urban skiff]

Why did i get two of those?

[fickle forge]

I think warr and WW are equal as top dogs atm

[copper fox]

Wait

Void bat kinda goes hard

[spice hornet]

we qin lumberjack cleave for a free glad?

[copper fox]

It’s the only logical thing I can imagine doing

1 fury 1 arms. They’ll be so confused because both suck and die easily so they just won’t know who to kill

And won’t kill anyone because of that

[boreal veldt]

Love wowhead comments, PvE player already complaining about "oh look more PvP gated content"

[urban skiff]

PVE is content for everyone

essentially pvp players are getting exclusive stuff while pve players are getting the same as everybody else

[copper fox]

Finally some real 3s and with a based af comp

[boreal veldt]

m+ and raiders work for their stuff same as pvp players

[rugged temple]

still a bat

[sharp meteor]

ya cool void bat

not better than draconic or crimson

[copper fox]

Coolest bat in the game now

[sharp meteor]

but better than s1-2 so

[worldly oriole]

my comment pushed them over the edge @spice hornet

[boreal veldt]

another tony W

[urban skiff]

just beat the monk from before

in a 2v2 duel of all things

[spice hornet]

this was the comment that changed their mind

definitely

[copper fox]

Tony hit 2400 and became based?

[fickle forge]

Can't believe I wasn't invited

[urban skiff]

did you even apply?

got a german warrioir named critney feras here

but technically I'm streaming this crap in discord

3s is the only game mode where stormweaver isn't dead

[verbal tangle]

Streaming sham in woyercord,

[urban skiff]

WDYM?

I'm playing SMF THANE

but also, i'm just here to make that warrior look good

[verbal tangle]

Lmao

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge I got the glad mount changed. I'll see you next season

[elfin surge]

nice the top 1% players finally will play the game pvp is saved

[lavish quest]

3 more people will queue

[wheat jay]

Now can we get giga inflation so glad is free?

[wheat jay]

Im of those lmao

[lavish quest]

Doubt

[tired nymph]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/astral-gladiators-fel-bat-model-update-377788

[copper fox]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/astral-gladiators-fel-bat-model-update-377788

[wheat jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/astral-gladiators-fel-bat-model-update-377788

[lavish quest]

I'll be sure to read all of these articles

[rugged temple]

season 3 elite set looking good

reminds me a little like the Legion one

[sharp meteor]

its just the antorus one but less chonky

[verbal tangle]

Cut the head, and the set is a banger

[worldly oriole]

Man i wanna knock out glad so bad

finding teammates so hard tho

[verbal tangle]

We just need to play Arms/Fury/Prot and lumberjack our way to 2400

Trust

[graceful moon]

pve players are on average worse than the pvp playerbase

[verbal tangle]

^

Pretty sure the shit in my toilet >>>>>>> average pve player

[jovial torrent]

i wouldnt mind them adding an illusion to 2800 m+ would have to be diff to the pvp one tho or itll kill participation even more

[copper fox]

There’s a billion illusions outside of pvp

[jovial torrent]

most of them are shit or very old tbh

they do the occasional one on the store like sand time one or the frozen one

[lavish quest]

Not really tho

[worldly oriole]

smh

I can't believe I got the fel bat a new model

[spice hornet]

[fierce elm]

Tony died for us

[spice hornet]

Hallowed ground has to go

[jovial torrent]

it is next season isnt it

atleast just for holy i think

[worldly oriole]

damn playing wow in the summer is cringe I don't have AC

[green wharf]

only the color look good

set is ASS

[spice hornet]

@green wharf ignored me in the MM hunter cord

I’ll remember dat

[green wharf]

did i?

[green wharf]

You were being serious about MM rotation? you just do aimed shot with the 2 stacks of thingy

[fierce elm]

smh

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

typical warrior players

[green wharf]

I though he was shitting on the guy using one button rotation

[spice hornet]

@green wharf I don’t know how anyone genuinely mains MM

It’s like a headache to play

I guess that’s why they all hangout in random battkgrounds

[green wharf]

you doing shuffle?

its cancer in arena this season

Blitz its where is fun, cause you just keep far away one shooting people

[jovial torrent]

@green wharf or do what i did , not realise u have a stacking buff that reduces aimed shot and hard cast 2.5 second aimed shots and win anyway for mog

[green wharf]

[bright kraken]

@wheat jay @fickle forge seen the new glad mount?

[fickle forge]

Inform Tari

[bright kraken]

She informed me

[urban skiff]

oh god there's two artji's now

[fickle forge]

This one is stronger

[sand sundial]

cool new mount

better

[lavish quest]

One's openly furry, the other is closeted furry

[urban skiff]

which is which

I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE TO SHOOT

[lavish quest]

Wait a second, which furry are you willing to keep around?

[fickle forge]

This is getting increasingly sus

[wheat jay]

Indeed, ill play for it

[bright kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/sylveon-gif-7385094459912251419

[wheat jay]

Wtf

[fickle forge]

Vesa try not to post furry content daily challenge (impossible)

[wheat jay]

Looks like pokemon

There's only one acceptable pokemon

https://tenor.com/view/may-torchic-pokemon-buff-gains-gif-9412017531290124107

Jk its charizard

[bright kraken]

feck charizard

https://tenor.com/view/rules-gif-23877446

[lavish quest]

She really hates on charizard just because it doesn't have fur lmao

[sand sundial]

u shoot both just in case

pokemon is a little 💤 imo

except piplup he's cool

[fickle forge]

It's cause it reminds of the uwukers

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/machamp-gif-24735663

[lavish quest]

She's probably into that shit too

[dense herald]

https://tenor.com/view/tellygum-gif-7997870579315684823

[urban skiff]

50 minute line in the sun.

Gogo Legoland

[fickle forge]

I'm going MoP, retail is cursed

[copper fox]

I said the same thing until I played a 40 minute mirror match on beta with the new damp change

[wheat jay]

No youre not

Stfu

[fickle forge]

Your void bat is doomed

I'm migrating

[wheat jay]

Ill find better warr

[copper fox]

Real

[fickle forge]

Should wish for something more realistic, like a dragon

[urban skiff]

Did you try enh again or something?

[fickle forge]

Yeah and I instantly quit it again

[dense herald]

is evoker good with warrior

for pushing 3s

[fickle forge]

Sat and wondered why I was going for big Ascendance goes when my WW does more dam and has 2 charges of it

[fickle forge]

Not particularily

They don't really do anything for each other

[copper fox]

I want gladiator slug mounts

Underrated

Or snail

[fickle forge]

Give me a gladiator shark mount

[copper fox]

Like the green crystal snail and magma snail

[fickle forge]

Only ever usable in saltwater

Nowhere else

[copper fox]

Saltwater lmfao

[fickle forge]

So basically in any arena ever

From all these tears

[copper fox]

Real

Especially cage of carnage

[wheat jay]

Gladiator kultiran mount

Ride on his shoulder

[jovial torrent]

one of those front backpack carry things for a baby

takes you in one of those

[fickle forge]

Gladiator plainstrider

[jovial torrent]

gladiator drift car, different colour ground neons for each patch

or one goblin theme, one gnome one titan

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[copper fox]

It’s glad viable

[copper fox]

This would actually go hard

[elfin surge]

wait a minute

imagine

a gladiator dragon

🤯

[copper fox]

lol wtf no way nerd

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-smile-cute-gif-9058942526296732541

[boreal veldt]

actually, next glad mount should be a scooter with a safety helmet and elbow pads

[fickle forge]

They'll never top DF S1 and BFA S4 drakes

[elfin surge]

wish we got 4 of those

[copper fox]

Yea df s1 kind of untouchable

[boreal veldt]

red drake went too hard, it's too high a bar

probably why they had to palate cleanse with bats

[copper fox]

lol actually true

People started quitting slowly after s1 so s4 they were like

WAIT COME BACK LOOK ANOTHER COOL DRAGON

then they were like alright phew

[fickle forge]

The one reason why all play is for that stupid mount man

If it ain't cool we out

[copper fox]

Exactly

[wheat jay]

id argue legion ones were better

personally my favourite

but ngl void bat goes hard

like, really hard

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/851206644725317692/1395345644226613398/4be80c78b4c47380ca3efcab299b35b3de7cc93e_2_668x500.jpg?ex=687a1c65&is=6878cae5&hm=eb42a1f93f2321f5a6761f69b551a3f516592b130a78aba1d34cfb7ade52544c&=&format=webp&width=601&height=450

imagine if s1 and s2 had some effects on wings

like flame

O_O

would have been enough

to make people want them xD

[fickle forge]

I mean I dislike the bat in general

But this bat is passable

The armor is cool and the void wings fit it

[wheat jay]

This is best bat in the game

All blizz had to do was make s1 bad spidery and bloody

S2 flame and gold

S3 void

Done

They could have made them so much better xD

[fickle forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/s/CzwF6JxQvo

[wheat jay]

Lmao

We can do ww devoker

You play the scales tho

[fickle forge]

No

I don't own an XL buttplug so I can't main this class

[wheat jay]

@bright kraken do you have one to borrow kargish so he can play evoker?

[fickle forge]

Artji has better training at it since he plays DH

So I'll be the WW

[wheat jay]

i mean

we can do ww/dh

100%

but i'm fairly sure warrior will be op as fuck, again

[spice hornet]

I think it might have particle effects. They said this was the first pass or whatever

[wheat jay]

so we can do that

[wheat jay]

funniest thing would be them adding it to old mounts

which are not available anymore

OHHHH the outrage XD

[fickle forge]

I mean DF S1 had right?

Their best glad mount ever

[wheat jay]

ye but its changing retroactively

which would 100% spark outrage

[bright kraken]

sadly not

[wheat jay]

rip

no devoker 😦

[bright kraken]

https://seramate.com/us/Tichondrius/Seyf

can yall rate this person xd

[wheat jay]

good

[worldly oriole]

I need ques more than ever

was quing war mage but my mage boy left me hangin

[fickle forge]

No

[copper fox]

It’s 1-0 in bgb

God player

[elfin surge]

No

[bright kraken]

reasonable response

[little junco]

Maybe I just suck too much at war... 😦

[spice hornet]

Assa is really good in shuffle

[wheat jay]

love how you can get elite in like 12 shuffles or so

xD

not regarded gains at all

good job blizz

[cosmic field]

coming from other games, the mmr inflation and reset is so weird

i guess its to keep ppl grinding. but in a way it doesn't achieve that

[little junco]

you still suck at math xd

[elfin surge]

you still suck at math xd

[copper fox]

you still suck at math xd

[worldly oriole]

you should school him at math @little junco

[wheat jay]

70 games is less than 12 shuffles, he's almost elite

so, how am I wrong?

[fickle forge]

I like it

One thing I hate about Overwatch is how you can hit GM and then sit for 8 seasons

[cosmic field]

yeah i guess thats the other extreme if theres no sort of rank decay

[fierce elm]

Rank has always decayed or been reset in most games

The only thing WoW does unique is MMR resetting and how that works

If you are Masters in league and you get reset the season after, you most likely place Diamond regardless of how many you win or lose

If you are r1 in WoW and you get reset you still start at 0 rating 0 mmr lmao

[fickle forge]

I dislike decay heavily

But I like resets between seasons

[sharp meteor]

Only when you level.

And mmr moves quickly.

[fierce elm]

Still remains the same

I never said it was bad or anything

[fickle forge]

I mean there are some dumb aspects

[fierce elm]

But the system in essence is the same as every other game

except we also have MMR inflation

[fickle forge]

Like why do the first 2 months of a season not matter at all in PvP

[fierce elm]

The same reason the first 2 months of League don't matter at all

lmao

[fickle forge]

But they do though

Like

[fierce elm]

do they though?

[fickle forge]

You almost pick up where you left

[fierce elm]

Everyone does their final push at the end of season, the start of season doesn't really matter that much at all

[fickle forge]

In arena they lock the MMR cap to like 2.4k the first couple of weeks

So nobody can hit the goal they want

[fierce elm]

It is easier to hit rating later in the season than earlier

[fickle forge]

Yes

But in League you can play at the start of a season too

[fierce elm]

And if you aren't challenger your goal is to climb rating regardless

[fickle forge]

In WoW we're 1800 or going vs Whaazz

[cosmic field]

do ppl leave placements to end of season too?

[fierce elm]

You aint hitting GM start of season in League

lmao

[cosmic field]

guess you'll get placed higher

[fickle forge]

Nah

But you can def go dia 1

[fierce elm]

If you haven't been dia 1 ever you aint going dia 1 at the start of season

Keep in mind that League also has a fuckton more players

[fickle forge]

At which point it doesn't matter right

[fierce elm]

so the ladder stabilizes quicker

But to say queueing at the start of the season doesn't matter then saying it matters in League is just wrong

[fickle forge]

But try and hit 2100 first week on WoW, you're gonna be sweating some pinballs man

Cause Raiku and Merce had the same idea

[fierce elm]

If your only worry is rating and getting there by taking the easiest path then maybe it just isn't for you

[fickle forge]

I mean

[fierce elm]

Because thats the argument here

[fickle forge]

Rewards

They're sitting at the rating cutoffs

[fierce elm]

Ah yeah, do you care about the elite set and the elite weapons?

[fickle forge]

You and I both want 2.4k and then not care

[fierce elm]

Yeah, I don't mind facing good players to hit it

[fickle forge]

But we're having pretty long inactivity periods at season start cause it's too much sweat

[fierce elm]

If you are only in it for the easiest rating gain then maybe you are the issue lmao

I was active as fuck the entire season until the end

what do you mean brother

[fickle forge]

But I ain't lmao

[fierce elm]

yeah

because you are one of the chuds that don't want to try to earn rating for a bit

because in your mind "It doesn't matter"

[fickle forge]

I am just saying they straight up denying you a decent rating the first couple of weeks

[fierce elm]

lmao

But the only thing you have left to achieve is r1

I am just saying that of course they are, that's how any ranked game works at the start of a new season

[fickle forge]

Aight brother but you're not a good example, you're as unstable as my ex with your love for this game

I've seen you quit day 2 of a season saying no fun

[fierce elm]

If you place D4 or higher in League at start of season you are gonna be facing the truest gamers

See

See what just happened

I bring a logical argument and you insert something that doesn't matter to disprove it lmao

[fickle forge]

What

Okay one more time then

[fierce elm]

You say I don't play

[fickle forge]

Roll the wheel back

[fierce elm]

I play early season as fuck

what do you mean

I think early season has the best games

[fickle forge]

Coolio

But

[fierce elm]

and every game that has season that reset work like this

[fickle forge]

That doesn't make a difference for the hard lock on rating early season

[fierce elm]

I can't mention a single on that I have played that doesn't work like this

where early season it is HARDER to climb

[fickle forge]

I don't disagree man

But I think WoW takes it to the extremes

Like, if League forced you to start in plat every season extremes

[fierce elm]

Then we come back to the argument that should be in focus, isn't the point of improving so you can beat the people that are the sweatiest eventually?

The point isn't to hit x rating and should never be hit x rating, the point and goal should be 'be good enough to hit x rating'

[fickle forge]

Yes

But

Another goal is to get the rewards you like

Like a glad mount

[fierce elm]

Which you still need to be good enough to get there if you want it early

[worldly oriole]

brah blast wave knock disconnected me

gg

[fierce elm]

If you want to get carried by mmr inflation and rating inflation, nobody is stopping you

but you won't get it earlier

[fickle forge]

And I'm just saying, RWF completely blasts off the first 2 weeks, but we can't even approach the last skill tier within the first month

[fierce elm]

Nor will you improve enough

what the fuck do you mean lmao

[fickle forge]

What does it matter if we face Whaazz on 2.2k or 2.8k man

[fierce elm]

If you want to make that claim we take the people that are actually competitive in AWC to compared them to RWF

[fickle forge]

Glad sits at 2.4k, hard locked

[fierce elm]

a lot of those people do hit high rating early

Without any struggle

[fickle forge]

Literally

Who

Lmao

We see like 4 people on 2.4k the first month every time

[fierce elm]

We saw more than 4 people

[fickle forge]

Did we?

[fierce elm]

And thankfully the next season starts soon

so we can actually provide data to this point

[boreal veldt]

just to clairify, you guys are talking 2s/3s specifically right?

[fierce elm]

3s

[fickle forge]

I ain't gonna confirm or deny cause I've forgotten

[fierce elm]

generally

[boreal veldt]

kk

[fickle forge]

And I can't speak for other games anymore, cause I know no one in League brother

But I do know I can start out a season on the 2nd last skill tier

And in WoW I start on 1800

[boreal veldt]

WoW's rating system has needed work for a long time though

[fickle forge]

I like WoW's rating system in general, but it has some rough edges I dislike

[fierce elm]

But to like provide points, Whaazz, Raiku, Merce (iirc), MVQ, TJ, brunhity, Vanguards, Jayti, Swapxy, Lontar(?), Dex,

I would say Magnus and Laros but they didn't play 3s until way later

[fickle forge]

Aren't all those people AWC champs?

[fierce elm]

Those are the people I know that actually played 3s

Aren't RWF players RWF players

[fickle forge]

Are we RWF players?

[fierce elm]

No? So should we be on that list?

[boreal veldt]

Are we the baddies?

[fierce elm]

Like waht the fuck man

[fickle forge]

Yeah, so it's the same right

[fierce elm]

w h a t

[fickle forge]

Whether we go vs those doods on 2.2k or 2.8k

What is the difference

[fierce elm]

Nothing for us

Except that we can actually get some practice i nversus way better people

[fickle forge]

Which is cool

I like that

[fierce elm]

But this is the way it works in ANY ranked game

and its crazy that WoW gets held to a different idea when it works the same as the rest lmao

[fickle forge]

And we ain't disagreeing on that man

But I think the contrast is bigger in WoW

[fierce elm]

I mean yeah its a smaller playerbase

and it takes longer for ladder to actually stabilize

But everyone who says there is no point in playing early season is coping out of their mind

and just wants to get easy rating lmao

[boreal veldt]

yeah cause in the end comparing wow pvp to a full pvp game is hard

[worldly oriole]

I'm a keystone world first gamer

[fickle forge]

Cause a lot of people are just in it for the rewards

Which is okay too

[fierce elm]

Yeah, then they can do that

but they don't get to complain that they can't get the rewards earlier

if they refuse to put in any work for it

[fickle forge]

They can, 3 months into the season yeah

[fierce elm]

Yeah, which seems reasonable

[fickle forge]

Does it?

[wheat jay]

vast majority lol

[fierce elm]

Absolutely

what the fuck do you mean

[wheat jay]

100% me too

[fickle forge]

What do you mean what do I mean

[fierce elm]

"Hey we have this system where you have to face harder people early season so either you improve or you get rewards later"

Makes extreme sense

[fickle forge]

I mean fair if you think so man

[fierce elm]

For ANY game

[fickle forge]

It's just not an idea I like

[fierce elm]

Do you want them to just give out the rewards?

[fickle forge]

Cause the contrast is as big as it is

I'd rather we all just Q up day 1 of the season and see proper competition

[fierce elm]

"We have heard your complaints that glad is hard so fuck it the mount is at 1400"

You do see proper competition

[boreal veldt]

They do give out rewards, thats what blitz is for

[fierce elm]

you just refuse to see it as that lmao

[fickle forge]

Which is one thing that cutoffs did well

[fierce elm]

You just see it as hard games versus people that are better than us

That are a stop to gain the things you want to gain

which is not experience and acutally improving

but rewards

[wheat jay]

i mean lets be real glad at the start of season is IMPOSSIBLE

[fierce elm]

Which is just wrong

[fickle forge]

Which is cool for us dude

[fierce elm]

As it SHOULD be

[wheat jay]

unless you have like 80% winrate

[fierce elm]

It absolutely should be

[wheat jay]

why

[fickle forge]

But a ton of people don't actually care about that

[fierce elm]

Why is Mythic raid so hard at the start of the season

[wheat jay]

why can't i just grind from the start andb e done with my RATING LOCKED REWARD, NOT TOP % RWARDS

[fierce elm]

Why is not everyone doing +12s first day

[wheat jay]

gear

[fierce elm]

Because that is how every game works lmao

[fickle forge]

We aren't gear diffing in PvP though

[fierce elm]

LITERALLY every ranked game works like that

[fickle forge]

Blizzard is just locking it at season start

[fierce elm]

I can get Kargish point because Kargish gets its a ranked game

but what the fuck is your point lmao

You are not good enough to get glad early and that is okay

you can either improve or accept that fact

The only thing that happens is that you won't get the mount until later

You dislike that? Get better at the game

We don't need everyone to get EVERY reward immediately day one

[wheat jay]

i dont mind having to get better at the game, but if i'm already good at the game

and play well enough to get glad

[fierce elm]

Are you though?

[wheat jay]

why can't i get it at the start?

[fierce elm]

Do you play well enough to get glad within a month of a season

the first 2 months even

[wheat jay]

why am i mmr locked to not get it?

[fierce elm]

You aren't MMR locked

You are skill-locked

[wheat jay]

inflation says otherwise

[fierce elm]

or Whazz would also be mmr locked

lmao

Which he isn't

because he is way better at the game

[fickle forge]

He is actually

Not for glad

[fierce elm]

He was when he was the singular person hitting 2.4

[wheat jay]

whazz being #1 player in the entire game, having like 80% winrate

[fickle forge]

But he is locked at 2.4k for the first couple of weeks

[fierce elm]

he was gaining like 3 rating per win lmao

[fickle forge]

Yeah

[fierce elm]

But, my man got the reward

despite this

[fickle forge]

So the system just says stop

I mean

Bro

[wheat jay]

system literally tells me to not play the game

[fierce elm]

because, weird opinion here, he is better than everyone else and thus he gets a reward for it

[fickle forge]

1 man out of like 160k people

Giga Chad but sucks for the other 99.9999999%

[fierce elm]

You both have this opinion that you shouldn't improve and it's extremely strange

[wheat jay]

okay, so after a while i can just get the same shit with 1/10 of the skill and 1/50th the sturggle XD

[fickle forge]

What

[fierce elm]

Do you guys literally just play for random rewards?

[fickle forge]

I ain't ever said that

[fierce elm]

Sorry, Artji has that opinion

[wheat jay]

are you regarded?

[fierce elm]

But you brush against it because you too refuse to play early season

[wheat jay]

when did I say that you muppet XD?

[fickle forge]

All I am saying is I would like if the contrast was smaller at the start of a season

[fierce elm]

idk, where did you say it

SYSTEM tells you to not play the game is just coping because you don't want to actually struggle

[wheat jay]

where does it say that i shouldnt improve?

bro youre actually thick in the head

[fierce elm]

You can't hold this opinion

[wheat jay]

concrete smoothened block

[fierce elm]

and then turn around and say "Yeah the system tells me to not play"

Like what the fuck are you on about

[wheat jay]

cuz it literally does

[fierce elm]

does it?

[wheat jay]

yes

[fierce elm]

Again, do you queue because you want to get better or because you want to get rewards

[wheat jay]

system is telling me "go fuck yourself, play in 3 months"

[wheat jay]

i get better to get rewards

[fierce elm]

So then queueing early would be beneficial for you lmao

Because you too have one goal that isn't achieved

which is r1

and an easier time getting glad mount in a sense

[wheat jay]

is r1 my goal?

XD

[fickle forge]

He means what you haven't gotten yet

[wheat jay]

i never cared about any titles haha

[fickle forge]

Unless you swap bracket

[fierce elm]

I mean the one you haven't gotten yet

[wheat jay]

ohhh right what i dont care about

[fickle forge]

2.7k would be the only other thing

[wheat jay]

one thing that encourages playing all the time

[fierce elm]

So your only worry is getting what, transmog and maybe glad mount if it looks good enough?

[wheat jay]

vs thing that encourages not playing the game until later on

if there's a new season, I want to enjoy the season

I want to enjoy the game from the start, and getting to my goal (mount)

game is telling me, you can get it later

will be easier

that's waht i dont like

if it was % based, sure

but its rating locked

[fierce elm]

See, this is where we differ a lot in opinion on ranked games and games that reward you for things. I personally believe that if your eventual goal is to get good at the game you shouldn't shy away from the hard parts of a game which for most ranked games is the early season. Every ranked game that has a reset does this. The only thing you lose on this is having to delay when you get the reward because you want to take the easy way out.

[wheat jay]

and said rating is hard locked

[fierce elm]

If it was % based you wouldn't get it anyways

[wheat jay]

i would try to get it

[fierce elm]

at least the old % based system

[wheat jay]

or play from the start, to stay at the top

[fierce elm]

But

that remains the same

THE ISSUE REMAINS THE SAME

lmao

[wheat jay]

no it doesn't

% i have to keep at %

[fickle forge]

It does kinda

[fierce elm]

If its % based it doesn't matter until the end of 2 weeks

[wheat jay]

rating i need rating

[fierce elm]

It literally does

IT LITERALLY DOES

[fickle forge]

With % people were still just pushing last 2 weeks

So the only active part was the last 2 weeks

[fierce elm]

It still comes down to the last 2 weeks for % based rewards

[fickle forge]

But it is definitely more relaxed in the sense that you aren't fixating on getting X rating for your rewards

So you play to play and improve

Like who cares about inflation and deflation if it's % anyway

[fierce elm]

Either way, the only thing this delays is that people don't get insta rewards for things they aren't good enough for just yet

[wheat jay]

anyway, i see it as very limiting and i dislike that i cant get it early, or rather that its crazy hard to get early compared to end of season

[fierce elm]

The only limit is that they force you to delay it

which again, every ranked game does

[wheat jay]

forcing to delay is imo ass

[fierce elm]

Most ranked games don't even have rewards during the season but rather reward it all post-season

So every online game and ranked ideology is just ass

because you have to try a bit harder and get better to get rewards earlier?

[wheat jay]

a bit harder is not rly a good way i'd describe it

xD

[fierce elm]

I remember a member of years past who said something about Virgin mindset vs Chad improve mindset

And I remember two people wholly agreeing with it

[wheat jay]

i wnat to push early

[fierce elm]

Then do that

[wheat jay]

i want to get my reward early

[fierce elm]

you can do that

If you get GOOD enough at the game

But you aren't

[wheat jay]

i cba waiting months

[fierce elm]

Then improve BROTHER

become better at the game

[wheat jay]

cuz if i dont want months i face awc players

[fierce elm]

YES

[wheat jay]

who play 24/7

[fierce elm]

So get better at the game

or accept the situation that you, yourself accept

[fickle forge]

This is what happens when we get rid of the bench press check

[fierce elm]

We all have glaring, massive flaws in our gameplay

Everyone involved in this discussion, 99.99999% of people in this channel

lmao

[boreal veldt]

Wholesome Afro Arc

Makes me want to be a better man

[wheat jay]

youre literally the person who said we dont play early????

hello?

[fierce elm]

Either get better or accept that you are not good enough

and both are okay

[fickle forge]

For the glad mount yes, because I know that's what you're in for

[wheat jay]

yes

and i dislike how its getting easier over time

[fierce elm]

Have been getting my ass kicked in SF6 after picking up fighting games again

[wheat jay]

that's literally my argument

[fickle forge]

Also the fact that I am majorily recovering from illness, so I ain't about to tilt out the first month or so into the season

[fierce elm]

I am all about improving

But, you wouldn't get it if it didn't get easier lmao

[wheat jay]

or rather, that at the very start its incomparably harder than even a month later xD

[fierce elm]

And you refuse to improve to get it earlier

[wheat jay]

???

[boreal veldt]

My condolences on the recent addition of Sagat

[fierce elm]

I am Sagat waiting room rn

[fickle forge]

I was already planning to be PvE focused early and play with you and Afro if you wanted to early

[boreal veldt]

lmaoooo

[fierce elm]

I always queue early season

I think its the most fun part of the season

[wheat jay]

so do I

[fierce elm]

its a mixture of player

its hard

It requires actual skill and brain and some luck to get further

The people are so varied and its so much fun

[wheat jay]

skill and brain true

[fierce elm]

and the meta hasn't been shaped yet

Early-game season is the best time to queue

[wheat jay]

that's why i shat on you both in shuffle

[fierce elm]

But yes, you can either improve or accept your own position

You ain't changing every ranked system in the world

(Just be lucky we aren't sharing regions like other games)

[wheat jay]

or i can whine and complain while still playing from the start?

hello?

[fierce elm]

But how the fuck does that make sense lmao

[fierce elm]

"I refuse to train and my lifts haven't gone up yet"'

[fierce elm]

this is disgusting

I have already decided I am not hitting Legend next season

[fickle forge]

What the fuck?

[fierce elm]

that shit was way too aids

[fickle forge]

Yeah

I can understand that

It's a 1 time thing

[wheat jay]

blocking

[fierce elm]

Unless I aboslutely luck into some queues

lmao

[fickle forge]

I dislike the win X above Y rating system

[fierce elm]

I dislike it being so much

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-block-blocked-respond-message-gif-20972134

Artji r n

[fickle forge]

I mean it's easy on healer

[wheat jay]

you mean 50 wins?

[fickle forge]

You can get it in a few days if you Q up consistently

[fierce elm]

Legend is 100 ss round wins

[wheat jay]

why is afro so hostile to me wtf

[fierce elm]

Which in theory is 33 games if you go 50/50

YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA BLOCK ME

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I AM HOSTILE

[boreal veldt]

he said in all caps

[fierce elm]

But it's not 33 games for most people

[wheat jay]

fam

blocking kargish

for playing feral

[fierce elm]

and even if it is, my average queue timer doing it this season was like 23 minutes on average

Oh

Then it's actually my bad brother

[fickle forge]

Yeah

You're kind of insane brother

[wheat jay]

xD all good

[fierce elm]

I did not see that lmao

But yeah

23 minutes on average

[fickle forge]

I can't believe you went for it after you witnessed my season 1 arms legend arc

[fierce elm]

assuming 33 games

I spent 12.5 hours ish of queueing

if I only went 3-3

[wheat jay]

i once went for legend

[fierce elm]

thats 12.5 hours of doing NOTHING

[wheat jay]

got like 20-30 wins

and stopped

legend takes longer than 0-2400 sometimes

[fierce elm]

the only content I could have done at the same time that matters for end-game retail

is blitz

I can't do m+, I can't do raids

I can do quests, farm old raids, walk around in dornogal

[wheat jay]

m+ is fun

but ye

[boreal veldt]

i like blitz for memeing

[wheat jay]

cant do anything

[fierce elm]

The only like 'endgame' content I can do is blitz

So yeah 12.5 hours of doing NOTHING

just queueing

if you went 3-3 every game above 2.4

[boreal veldt]

go chill in front of org or elwyn and duel

[fierce elm]

In reality I probs spent longer because rage-quits, not going 3-3

so fuck Legend next season

unless its the most popular season ever lmfao

[wheat jay]

fuck legend

[fierce elm]

I did consider Strategist

for memes

[boreal veldt]

||Asstrail Legend||

[wheat jay]

need glad

[fickle forge]

Astral Warlord bro

[fierce elm]

Don't let @copper fox see this

[boreal veldt]

fixed

[lavish quest]

Ez glad

[fierce elm]

That mount is so sick too

[boreal veldt]

Donkey Kong lizard lookin aaa

[fierce elm]

Its so cool

[wheat jay]

i want asstral glad mount

[fierce elm]

https://tenor.com/view/krool-run-jumpscare-king-k-rool-model-gif-12401224625875961903

[lavish quest]

It is the asstral glad mount

🙂

[wheat jay]

ye

i want it

am i good enough to get it

yes

based on previous pvp achievements

[lavish quest]

Are you good enough to buy a 6 month sub?

[wheat jay]

and timing of said achievements

[lavish quest]

Maybe MUD'll carry me next seaon

[fierce elm]

This might be the first 6 month sub mount I actually buy

ngl

[lavish quest]

I mean... Already on 6 month sub since... cheaper and I don't really take prolonged wow breaks

[fickle forge]

Do I level another warrior?

[wheat jay]

no

[lavish quest]

What for?

Carrying Artji?

[wheat jay]

i won against kargish in shuffle

therefore im better

therefore i carry him

ez math

[fickle forge]

And on the flipside, I have yet to lose vs Snowmixy, while you've been farmed

[lavish quest]

Maybe Artji was playing one handed, who knows

[wheat jay]

hmmm

i won into afro, did you?

[fickle forge]

No, cause when we're both online we play together

[wheat jay]

excuses

[fierce elm]

holy fuck how long have you held onto this lmao

[wheat jay]

ye

#1 dh

also

bro youre cringe xD

[fickle forge]

Got em'

[fickle forge]

It's pinned in Highmaul

[fierce elm]

oh kek

[wheat jay]

xD

[fickle forge]

We got infinite memes pinned

Like Bev's instagram likes

[wheat jay]

its like 5yrs old now, isnt it?

[fickle forge]

I have no clue man

Also lit arms name? @wheat jay

[wheat jay]

good

[fierce elm]

You need a better hobby

that you can do rn

[fickle forge]

Yeah that's the problem man

Not a lot I can do

I was actually out for like 6 hours today and then went gym

HUGE win

[fierce elm]

Play another game that doesn't hate you

[fickle forge]

I've been playing Subnautica

Overwatch and League are kind of dead to me atm

[fierce elm]

All of those games hate you

[fickle forge]

Which game loves me then

Been playing V Rising with an IRL homie

[wheat jay]

helldivers

[fickle forge]

True that