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Fucking yoked
Dude same ngl
I mean this girl is probs sub 135 and like below 5'3
But her delts are capped as hell
and her back is freaky lean
I have no doubt people are on gear at my gym, but it sure as hell isn't visible in strength or looks
There’s a gym near me that’s an “influencer gym” and I go occasionally because my coach goes there and it’s filled with chicks on gear
NIGHTMARE
The ones who are hyper responders have the biggest delts I swear
I mean yeah
When they get that 3D Death star look
and im like "Yeah, being on gear does sound fucking sweet)
Yea I don’t have shit for delts I’m a bum
The only reason I even have a wide appearance is because my back is huge
Hunchback vibes lmfao
Pushes the shoulders out a bit for a nice lil fake out
My rear delts are my entire delt
Don't got shit for lat genes and rear delt genes though lmfao
I use to deadlift 3x a week and I’ve always trained back ridiculously heavy so I over developed the shit out of my back
Natty life
Side and front delt probs my freakiest points because it holds no fat
so I have veins even at like 135kg+ bw
lmao
and its never outrageous demands either
Tf you doing
I cut until she feels bad for the food she is eating, I bulk until she tells me I snore so fucking loudly I wake her up
I do whatever she says because she’s way too hot for me ngl LOL
It always works out
Like if she tells me I have an eating disorder it's time to stop eating beef and rice
It’s hilarious if my BW gets around 290+ she lets me hear it everyday
fucking bend over to tie my shoes and my lungs are collapsing
Good times
Unpacking the dishwasher is fucking cardio
Also a lower back pump
Its so fucking fun being that huge though
In terms of gym performance lmfao
Show up, shallow breaths and already sweating post first warm-up but it flew up
I know I hate the mental process of deciding whether I want to look decent outside of the gym / in not large clothes or just be a freak in the gym all the time
typical rogue main behavior
this is why my SO decides
and I don't lmao
I took a year off of PL a while ago and cut to 240 I was shredded but weak
she does keep me above 230+ all the time
Like around 240 is probably where she likes me the most
All she cares about is forearm veins anyways the superficial nerd
“Forearm”
Go sleep @fierce elm
: )
Get to bed
I went to bed at 7am yesterday
whatchu mean brother
I am NA sleep schedule now
Aka the normal schedule
Your gf is waiting for you to snore her awake
I have been listening to Rock and watching SF6 streams while reclining my chair back as much as I can
@spice hornet tn was a night for the fury warriors btw
You gotta be fresh to Q 3s tomorrow
Don’t give in
IM NOT HOME
I gotta drive like 4 hours north
then indulge in Step parents food for free
until Sunday
You're bringing the PC
Also going to the sick modern gym up there
that has like 8 comp benches with all comp weights
and the fucking SICKEST plate loaded back machines
and you know what, the only thing they want me to do is cut their grass
You're on your ass again when they see it ain't saying 'Gladiator Vulgore' above your head
They are gonna see LEGEND OMERTA
Happy pride month @fickle forge Very proud of you for coming out in my dms 🙂
Cap
Literally all they want me to do is cut their grass
I wanna see LEGEND JustIce
Then grind glad
I am not logging in unless we are doing main team 3s lmao
So was I
Instead I had to carry you on League??
My Ambessa is clean
Go get your Legend nerd
Never
or be eternally mogged by my Warrior
I will delete WoW before I grind another legend
Who would win, one spec andy Kargish or Rolls whatever he wants Afro
I already got legend last season
smh
I've never hated gaming as much as I did there
Queues were W?
Insane Ws tn… warlocks not pressing port is all we needed
cya later David
@fierce elm Goodnight David
sounds a lot like a warlock i know named Tonypajamslock
Why this AATOS guy doxxing everyone
@fickle forge 🫡
sucks

W Meth still playing fury and not being a fotm slave like everyone else
damn my first name now my middle name you guys crazy
We will prevail
Kennie is Kennie.
Who’s Caleb
Angrier alter ego. 
I like that
I’m getting the vibe that your name is James
Any Blitz arms players I can bother for some tips?
whatchu havin issues with
Arms role in each BG
I've seen people ask for different things in the same map, and not sure what is the best choice
same as always do dmg to most vulnerable thing you safely can
on flag maps generally defense but sometimes need ms to kill on offense
Who
@sharp meteor is James
@copper fox is Brad or Chad
Lmfao
Aren't there offense/defense/escort expectations?
sometimes u gotta go offense or fc wont die
usually u just sitting defense
or escortin tho ye
i don't think i understand dastardly duos
literally a nothing burger of a game mode
I dont get them either
And the fact they are still timegated
I swear this whole patch is one big timegate and I already unsubbed from wow
boss rush game modes have been a thing for such a long time, and they found a way to make it bad
I seem to be doing pretty well but it's not really difficult with the npcs
And all the mobs just sort of don't stand in the green shit
Any figthing game did it in its infancy
God of war did it
And many more. Yet this one is basically : can you find enough old broken gear to make it somehwhat fun
Idk who that guy is
clearly your boyfriend
He's allowed to wish to be
Surely PvE oriented but the suggestions Archi makes are really sound and nice if to be implemented also in PvP
Fuck Condemn
I never wanna see that piece of shit in the game again
Slayer right now is already borderlining it
i think condemn was mentioned just because its old and people somehow remember it
when everyone who played absolutely despised it in pve lmao
sweeping strikes on GCD feels so bad tbf
I didn't despise condemn at any point
I even went Venthyr+crit just to get condemn while all the tryhards were still running bastion+haste for spear.
I'm suprised I don't see rend mentioned.
rend is so meaningless and at this point it's just in the game because of tradition
They can never make bleeds good because of skullsplitter and they can never make skullsplitter good because the community hates using it even when it's good
yeah I agree there.
I mean Bleed Arms is a tradition
Also I enjoy the mindfuck of having a guy at 1% bleeding out and just switching targets knowing hes fucked
It's just hard for me to justify a cooldown for 'apply bleed' with how many other binds I have
Rend doesn't really feel great to press.
What many other binds
You got 3
MS, OP and Exe
see people try to do this sometimes and it's just not the reality
That is effectively your main rotation on slayer
If you happen to starve you fill with Slam
And whether it's Slam or Rend you press, same same
Sounds like a simple remove skullsplitter angle
doubt that'll happen anytime soon
They still cling to onslaught and skullsplitter and droar and spear
When the death log was 10 instances of Rend
Kind of is, though
It's a good thing Vices responded with War Banner there
He was mind controlled
If he wasn't before, he became it from seeing the 100 -> 17 bleed button
@WarcraftDevs
All those rend ticks to do the same as 1 elemental blast
enh was crazy then too
Sintifissi
lmao feedgod
Shanex
LOL
so good
Cn i just ask
Cn i just ask what your ratings are? @elfin surge
remember the beef between sodapoppin and swifty began because sodapoppin asked swifty "whats your mmr"
That's so old man, Swifty died off before I made it onto the scene
Cn you shut up
He's only described in the legends to me
Cn you not?
so youre the skibidi toilet generation
I can proudly say I have never witnessed skibidi
I witness gym only
tung tung tungt ung tung tung sahur
cursed ass gif
finally hit 2k in blitz. appreciate the advice from here that helped.
gj keep at it 
ty. Idk how long it would take to push 2400 but thats my goal.
honestly not long at all anymore
they buffed cr gains so much
and warr is pretty minimal impact you just go mid/bs or w/e and spin the node
hard part is high mmr queues late at night and not tilting on the evntual lose streak cos it is comin
sometimes you get to be the hero
lmao sick
Fucking hell you stole that cap out from underneath them
the reflect on the clone 

BG?
hmm to get rings and neck can i only do it with the pvp item thingy?
or does it work with ah thingy
You can craft them
im finna crash out on your rn im ngl
that was not 3m in overkill. he died from 200k worth of dam or whatever and the rest of your OP was the overkill
ya overkill is how much of the dmg was beyond their health pool or w/e
so 3.1m hit on a 100k hp guy
is gonna be 3m overkill
good morning James @sharp meteor

spear earning its place every day.
just play both
@green wharf that you?
aint no way bros ridin the rancid bat
i remember gettin glad in bfa and bein so stoked esp cos it was my main char at the time
and a few multi glads were like eh give it a few years
and u wont care
im like no way
timeskip to the bat

psure most thrilled i was
was like draconic which wasnt too long ago
so prettttty
I still get excited over those 1800 transmogs
And they're pretty meaningless
it kinda matches my mog doe thats why
man i stopped goin for elite mogs in like
eh some still cool
i used to get them all then it was like
stopped being fun and exciting
Even the ones that aren't cool
pretty sure I'll think the rogue one is just straight up the ugliest shit ever and go back to weird mogs
I'm upset I missed out on the warrior one
psure im doomed to wear tomb elite set on every warr other than kennie until servers go down
maybe this one on orc
ya
it looks rancid on some stuff
but the bulky pieces are insane
like look at those boots and gloves UGHHH
kind of want to play my male orc again
Pretty sure it's 3.23M OP
But you only needed 0.04M to kill
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Anyone know what he's talking about at timestamp? It's about how apparently "a single dispel can shut down the vast majority of your damage"?
What needs dispelling for that to happen?
What spec?
oh yeah, boomkin
can't tell if it's dispel or purge he means, and what needs dispelling to shut them down
I do elite sets if I’m bored
When conq uncaps
I pick a healer to intentionally stay @ low mmr and spam games for conq and 50 conq tokens
Goes fast
how is dot "majority of damage"?
that sounds pretty wild, I always remember moonkin as having very low level dam from dots
but that's from pve so
2s tier list by skillcapped
Disc isn't even on the list of viable healers for enh now
actually pretty fucking accurate ngl
Probably easier to be accurate in 2s
Maybe I need to get my wife into fistweaving
but disc is so comfy to play with
never panic, never worry about cc
never worry about bubble/iceblock (because she's gonna forget she has mass dispel the second she gets into arena)
You don't play 2s
we almost only play 2s and maybe blitz when feeling like having longer queues
no, i dont play filthy alliance
getting +15% damage sustained sounds pretty neat for enh
you dont play the game
no
no
good enough reason to sniff that pink eye money
Should lick it
should put it up your bum first
True
hows that 2.4k enh?
ouch
Storm
whatsup Daniel
GM Mitch
Frost DK kinda rules in blitz
In greens with a couple purples from boxes
Hitting 2.5 mil frost strikes
I got a 2H weapon from one of the boxes I sent my DK
So I’m doing like a 2h frost build
Not optimal but this is a rat alt and I don’t care it’s fun
When I’m in full gear I wonder how hard it’ll hit
2h frost is the truth
LMAO
Frost should be the 2h spec to begin with
Met a frost DK today that was not playing remorseless
It kinda pumped on ST
Yeah looks like people are actually starting to drop it
It sucks that bad apparently
Seethe.
Does anyone experiencing lags on eu?
Anyone meeting Thanes with OF?
Good damage in Blitz but super predictable so you just get cced/die
he must be trolling, cause without it, i dont see what damage/pressure you can do
there’s a lot not taking it anymore
xeek came out with a build without it
I think it probably sucks in arena
More often pillar
But it still lines up with Disarm so
He was 2.2k in 2s as FDK+Hpri
There are some people who can do well with one hand only, so thats debetable, it feels like frosstrike deals poop damage, even with the buffs
unless people are dumping haste even more for mastery
apparently frost dk is s tier
I love seeing a DK when I q my warriors
apparently mythic gear can go up to 648 ilv, while pvp only goes to 681 in pvp combat
?
that's why one paladin was o fucking hard to kill
Anything but devs/mages/hunters (and some paladins paired with those) in my lobby makes me happy
Anyone feel like spear snaps people back too slow
Like especially after a teleport
Spears mechanic is whack yea
It should work like vortex but it doesn’t
Vortex doesn’t even let you leave the vortex
it feels also, that spear is slow as fuck to travel
and people can just get away
if you dont directly on the target, the aoe doesnt grab then
wish i could report this guy for premade reasons 
Same tbh. Specifically BM. I don’t mind MM as much tbh. Surv is 50/50
I feel like a lot of healers still don’t know how to deal with surv
survival was weird
sometimes they pump lots of damage
and are fucking hard to kill
others you just explode then
imagine solo q'ing ebg's

Where tf did i get tagged in here
this is t rue
will not tolerate mysticall disrespect
Watch how you talk to emperor flokk
Was just a ss of you crashing out again
That’s fair. The warrior discord only did it because it was pressured to which makes it even worse lol
Wait really
Give me some rainbow reacts
Yea it was one of the last class cords to do it
And ppl were asking
Where our pic change is
Fr
I started mythic + too late
Everyone is decked out in 680+ gear now from months of farming crests
I’m like 655 in PvE gear
Just go prot.
only the pally one did it by default this year lol
although Im not in all the class discords
I’m VDH
playing below +12 ur kinda fucked in m+ atm
everyone is so bad
people who click their abilities without addons type shi
Tanking like 8s and stuff
Pretty trivial
Worried I don’t have the raw ilvl to tank 10+ even though I know the pulls and fights
even better
you fine
just can't brute force too hard
Okay
Just gonna send it this weekend
Get my 3k
imagine doing m+ 
Holy priest is so bad in ss
@sharp meteor Chrissy likes Kennie new PFP
I hit a wall around 2100
But I didn’t put too. Much time into it
It is def hard
who 
oh right
You james?
Kennie == James
You’re Tim
either way, stop getting banned
Who’s banned
idk
Damn
the other people keep talking about a james who gets banned and has to gear up alt accounts
I qd into a real SMF fury today btw
I just assume that's every james, someday I hit the right one and he's going to feel so confused
bet his damage was unreal
Yea it was not real
Funny part is
He was an obsidian legend I’ve never seen the guy
Space goat warr
Trolling on another level
tbh if i ever get r1 enhancement of any type I'm going to craft a complete set of crit gear just to log out in
A lot of people do that lol that’s when you get people spamming in discords
BUT THIS GUY DOES THIS
literally all it takes is a couple more 2s games (or 5, idk) and I'll be 1/6th of the average stats on murlokio
it'll shift all the stats averages by roughly 5k rating
top tier
The best option if you aren't going to play enhancement
solid A tier mog
Man's back?!
is COLOSSUS back tho??
Wouldn’t it have had to have been here to be back tho 
idk if mobility not as much of a concern and you just kind of
wanna be more tanky
i could see it
and somebody sitting a big stun gets bonked for half their health
slayer just so much dmgurs mobility and pressure
Might work with a mage tbh or tsg
Imagine mage still had deep and you colo into a deep combo
Imagine being a warrior smh
I just fucking ravaged the buffé
They said hi like I wasnt prepared to make them sweat to make more food
@elfin surge can you thumbs up what afro said so i can click it then you can unclick it so it looks like i emoji'd him a thumbs up myself
ya i got u
I've been having luck going colossus in matchups where I can cleave and slayer in matchups where I know I'll need more mobility or more single target. ~2250 mmr in 3s. I have more fun on colossus though, big bonk set ups are wildly satisfying.
thunderclap to spread rend on multiple targets actually does really good damage throughout a game
yeah that's been the general thought for a while now it seems
but then that means playing col 1 out of 10 games
so, screw it, col anyway
tbh I only go slayer vs mages
i havent touched colossus
Colossus is fine if you want to intentionally be less efficient and effective
or grass
q
Or to humiliate people even harder by playing with one hand behind your back

what are these?
He’s showing us that prot is the dominant species
If you can't play enh, i suppose prot is an alternative
Should I just straight up become an enhance main
are you having fun?
It’s pretty fun yea lol I just feel like I’m always dying
Strangely, I stopped feeling like that suddenly
despite dropping vers
but the more i play, the more i feel like a survival hunter
I’m sure it’s my lack of experience tho
I just pop in to do a few stormstrikes and then i don't mind backing out until next time something comes too close
my brother in arms
Seems to be a thing in Blitz too
o yeah 100% always going col anywhere else just cuz its fun
Some warriors are just stubborn and dont want to pick slayer, thats it
still ahve dogshit demolish
A fresh iteration of demolish would really help
they turned fyrakk wep on-use into a whole talent spec

demolish would own if it dashed and made u cc immune
demolish making you immune to like 2/10 types of cc is just cruel
just needa a nice dmg buff tbh
💯
Im hard
No. Better yet. Give celestial conduit the colossus treatment!
Sure. As long as they are conssitent
Bunch of dudes talking… triton gets hard. Checks out
Btw triton is William

Good morning Kyle @elfin surge
Why you call me that
lol don’t mind Jimmy @spice hornet he’s just calling everybody by their first names
ok Matthew
nah
This would be so sick, I like colossus way more other than applying rend lol
col ms crits yuge
Bro chill
How long until full names are exposed
I feel like we are close
Someone is gonna snap
You fucks arent calling me anything but mud
did u know mud backwards is dum
Your name is literally Kyle in discord
I’ve known since before you blew up 
blew up

I only let one person call me that
LOL from wow moron
the stereotype is true
Don't expose us brother

Disappointment

Lexi is that you?
this is what happens when we cant use custom emojis or reactions
Yo
I knew it was coming
@umbral creek 🐐
Anyone got tips on dealing with evokers?
Did I miss it
Gotta kill them
like just bum rush em? but they have so many escapes and immunity to cc
yeah its fun fighting a class that can be immune to interrupts slows and cc all at the same time isnt it
You reroll a class that actually has a stun that matters (feral/rogue) or play ranged
Otherwise dev is basically untouchable for a warrior
You dont
3 cc instances
im new to pvp, usually do raid content but i wanna get the mount/pvp appearances
Seems like top strat is >stun healers, aoe stun shock as many as possible, slam whoever cant run away the best
as warrior
not spell slam but focus on
Hit closest -> max dmg -> 2100 -> press fear -> 2400
wdym by 2100?
like rating?
yeah

@sharp meteor
Yes dear?
no
in general just hit what you can
and use stun to enable that
Kyle and Caleb sitting in a tree
?
Q-U-E-U-E-I-N-G!
I don't q with tanks anymore
First comes afk. Then comes pop. Then comes decline into a 2 hour requeue!
I think I need to start timing you guys out
Thank you
missin you in blitz
lmao

What I queue
2s with egirls
(s)
Hi I’m the egirl
hi
(s)?
Hiii
no
Which one out of the 5 active chatters is this
I’m the only one
Makes sense
Tumor from opening bio
lmao
?
LOL
i liked the primus art he got
We're not calling me that
It’s Mud
Okay Craig relax
stupid question: does rating go down in solo shuffle
because so far i was only climbing evern with 1 win in the match
What the fuck
mud racist against baldies and tanks
This is racist
this is tyranny
LOL
at least kennie called me Mud
Balds and Tanks rn
i call people what they wanna be called
Mud abusing his power just like the other warrior mods in here (one of them writes PvE guides)
Birds of a feather
nerd
dat me
nerd

KEK
Ive been doin fury tho 🤔
Fury is dead brother
I just use fury cuz thats what i know how to play
not this again
(idk arms very well, seems weird) but i do know prot.. .but ehh..
Its coming back
i already have someone calling me that
bro thinks he makes the rules
Im giving you a choice
LOL
How are you guys using bladestorm in pvp?
YOU HAVE SAID YOUR NAME SO MANY TIMES LMAO
During opener? As a escape tool? to free cc?
Also the Monster Energy addiction
early on to dodge cc maintain uptime and apply dmg amp stacks
they dont know that
then in goes with stacks to pressure/kill and maintain uptime
it does giga dmg so dont use just for mobility
lmfao
play 3s for 18 hours straight then work 18 hours at Amazon MUD
Amazon is crazy
HMMMM
the ole MUD
not a bad idea
my name is mud. 3520xp arms warrior with a small brain.
to leap/.charge> ava/reck/bladestorm to bait out cc then?
I member the streams
funny guy here
the shitposting smh
i still do wym
Yeah alright fair enough
I'm still on the same stream schedule too
Can get 99% of disarms by reck-insta bladestorm kek
Yeah but I dont watch WoW
I only watch the best streamers
wow
such as TrilleBartom every spec to top 50
zzz
content
Watching Zenlyn tryna coach him in twitch chat
watching minpojke get a brain aneurysm at his rdruid
its pretty good
Opener in big team fight to spread the MS love and force as many cooldowns as possible. You can count on your enemy warrior to do the same shit every time
Sometimes to get through ROP on a fleeing flag carrier etc
I don't watch much twitch because im not a peasant
SS brother
Solo shuffle question? My bad.
Its aight broski
You dont have time wdym

syeg-Fred
there is absolutelly no chance for 'yall to guess my real name anyway
Aint you like eastern european
@green wharf tell me more about this
why we peepin bios and doxxing
sheesh I hit 2100 and my queues jumped to 25 minutes
your profile is qt as hell ngl
though this needs a bit of explaining
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its from this music, pretty dope 
god, no
🤘 i dig this lol
solid pvp music
I just followed @limber relic … thoughts @elfin surge
madge
I've followed him for a while
he needs to lose the ego tho
Gain 100lbs of muscle
Siefcham? The r1 eu warr? Siefcham stocks up 📈
Mud is 📉
HUHJ what ego D:
It's there
im a nobody wdym ego
We all have egos
im r1 badge
Who else has beaten mud in 3s
i dont even remember the last time i pressed queue
what is you stat priority guys? haste or mastery?
crit bad, want some vers but mastery/haste more output, arms wants a decent bit of haste but not too much, fury wants lots of mastery and that's warrior in a nutshell for the past half a decade or som
sans sl where crit was good for arms due to high topend and low hp pools
my current stats.. im not using bleeds
in pvp increases so im around 25% haste and 30% mastery
buy them from vendor
5k honor + 3 bloodstones at the mats vendor next to the bloody token vendor
only works with crafted equipment then?
ah
one more thing guys ascendance is not viable anymore?
i think focusin lens just scaled better
focusin lens in both rings then?
Everyone in here tries cooking with random stats, can there really be bad stats? 
Anyone have any input on the split between the bleed head enchant and the stat one?
Is there purpose to upgrading via valorstones pvp gear
or does the pvp item level matter only
pvp gets its own item level blanket applied to it.
Don't upgrade it unless you use it for pve too, which I do for the tier pieces
As a boomer I peaked in mop and wod so he wasn’t around to get farmed yet
diddy
Yeah I think he was just born when MoP dropped
those sockets are expensive .-0.
Ye, it's like 250-300k for full sockets.
Although I'd advise against the investment unless maybe you're pushing glad or title.
i was fury tho btw
Yea you got my spec nerfed. Unreal man
damage didnt get nerfed tho WDYM
Ngl I wish damage got nerfed over the slaughter nerf lol
wasnt me tho 😦
Go smf for the next video and make sure snupy knows to talk about how bad fury is now
are bg's easier to build the rating on than solo shuffle o.O
ya its like 35 a win or som
or 33
should be 2400 in no time
28 for me the last 3 or 4
bigg
Even with execute nerf arms feels fantastic. Every hit matters. Really loving it
was meme'ing as arms. maybe ill get arms nerfed too
MS hit btw
yes target dummy i know
how even?
Holy jesus, just palyed a warlock shaman dk or priest matchup that was cancer
Either they'd yeet themselves/eachother every 2 seconds, or id get yeeted somewwhere every2 seconds
This would've been 100000 times better... I miss Fury 😭
Try demo lock/sp/disc priest
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
no
sounds like they just use warlock gate to run around
and then leap of faith eachother
or warlock recalls
sounds annoying
You guys are naming my dream lobbies
Warlock (any spec) DK and sp get absolutely CHOPPED by warriors
Probably the 3 classes we chop the hardest
Had a BM Hunter. A BM HUNTER. Tell me that Sp doesn't die
4 min into the round, Executed that robed fool in half
mmmm
maybe im playin wrong
is there any videos or something yall might recommend for getting better
why/how
anyone else starting to wonder why we take a fat 20% penalty on HONOR
looks like getting above 2200 isnt a thing
every team throwing now.
fun while it lasted though
what bracket
BGs
70% win rate up to 2200 then every team just screams at each other in chat and loses.
the 15 man BG's makes people screech.
they feel realllly bad to play with 8 people.
3 losses in a row is prob a sign
Warlocks and SP kind of self explanatory and DKs defensives against us just feel weak. Idk DKs die easily
lmao it's not self explanatory I guess sp is since they just don't move ever
Lock mobility is trash too. We match it + more
2 charges to their 2 port and a leap to their gate
Spear forces gate
Etc
Locks can’t move
there's some crazy good kiting locks but that makes sense
Very uncommon
by crazy good I mean so good they even kite their own healer
Locks should die relatively easily to you if you are training TF out of them, just kick the bolts if they Destro. Wall+Bolts is the only truly scary thing, and u can stun/fear that. Darks Pact feels like it does nothing, and Demo’s are just annoying cuz of cc but squishy. They will gate your spear if you play it vs them, just leap/charge it and u back, u win in mobility vs locks

