pvp

[fierce elm]

Arms was absolutely one of the better melees

and replaced Fury in two of the best comps on ladder

The crit nerf isn't specifically to Arms either

but the crit was obnoxious

Arms is coming away with this with a 5% execute buff and a 15% rend buff with top damage of execute nerfed

[tight rain]

Fury, DH, WW, Feral were better and rogue in some scenarios is always the best so it wasn't one of the better melees

[fierce elm]

DH lmfao

Fury was worse than Arms due to the MS nerfs

Feral was better that I can agree on

Ret/Warr was better than Thunder on ladder

and WWs only comp was WW/Ele

or WW/Boomkin but nobody was playing Boomkin

[copper fox]

The colossus cope is hilarious

[fierce elm]

The nerf cope is hilarious

[green wharf]

colossus since the beta was a bad hero spec, people are coping to this day

delves/raid spec

[fierce elm]

But man

The overreacting to blizzard thinking a spec shouldn't randomly kill you from 50% with no cooldowns

is pretty fucking funny

because if this was any other spec except for fury/arms we would be like "WHERE NERFS"

[copper fox]

The nerf was fine

[fierce elm]

You don't get it man, clearly blizzard hates arms

[green wharf]

i mean, they do, but those things arent related

[tight rain]

Warrior in lower MMR is opressive that's the main problem and the source of frustration for some players

[green wharf]

blizz does hate war/dk/shaman

[fierce elm]

uh

Warrior in higher MMR is also opressive

whatchu mean

[green wharf]

and warlock, fuck warlock

[copper fox]

Yea warrior at all ratings is oppressive lol

[fierce elm]

How the fuck are you beign 2.8 in SS gonna save you from a 5 mill execute withfatality lmao

Are you gonna block it with your rating that can totally predict random damage

[copper fox]

Has nothing to do with low mmr they don’t base nerfs off of mmr

[green wharf]

thats why they arent nerfing hunter

imagine if they would nerf MM because they get like 16/2 on blitz

[fierce elm]

Now MM is definitely oppressive in blitz and lower ratings

then BM takes over kek

[copper fox]

That’s just a player thing

[green wharf]

i think they will nerf/tweak double tap

its doing what execute does and randomly kill people

[fierce elm]

I can't believe everyone is out here sleeping on the three peope playing demo lock

[tight rain]

I don't play meta spec, I only play Colo Arms 1 day per week, I agree with the Nerf on execute and the Nerf on Fury MS duration I don't know what you mean

[fierce elm]

Your rating does not increase the chance you survive a random 3-4m execute

because it required zero cooldowns

[green wharf]

the problem is they nerfed the shattering throw talents

[fierce elm]

It is unpredictable damage that couldn't be stopped, the warrior was gonna hit at minimum one per game

[tight rain]

I like Colo because is not random proc, is balanced since you can play around it and enemy team too

I don't know why you are nervous I think the same as you so chill

[copper fox]

I mean

[fierce elm]

but we don't think the same

[copper fox]

You literally said

The issue is

It’s oppressive

At low mmr

So you don’t think the same

[tight rain]

Warrior in general not random procs

[fierce elm]

Also can't wait for July when this chat becomes MoP PvP chatroom

[copper fox]

Every class is oppressive at low mmr

[tight rain]

Random procs will always be unfair

I remember mop in privates being pretty fun, warrior was op if I remember right

[lavish quest]

Everyone talking about 6m executes. My execute must have been bugged, I was only getting up to 4m with CDs and the enemy being afk

[fierce elm]

Please tag where anyone has said 6m execute in the last 12 hours

[lavish quest]

Why 12 hours? Were obviously talking about pre nerf

🤓

[fierce elm]

Please tag where everyone has said 6m execute within the last 5 days

[lavish quest]

Here's a couple to start you off with I guess

[fierce elm]

Mud is trolling, Kennie is trolling

j_wise is also memeing

[lavish quest]

Afro is trolling

And?

[fierce elm]

can we please not act entirely daft man

Like I know you have been on the doomer train about arms because you can't play the spec

but holy fuck lmao

Also one mention that was memeing in the last 5 days

[lavish quest]

Lmao, I can play the spec. Just don't want to, no fun

[fierce elm]

Weird how that works

[lavish quest]

Damage is good, rest of the spec is ass

Feels horrible

[fierce elm]

You are allowed to feel that

[lavish quest]

Evidently not

[fierce elm]

You are

but objectively you are wrong

like based around the facts presented of the ladder you are wrong

lmao

[lavish quest]

Ladder shows the spec feels like ass?

[fierce elm]

Ladder shows that the spec is good

and can do basically anything

[lavish quest]

Ladder shows spec is played

[fierce elm]

Ah yeah totes

w.e

[green wharf]

ladder show dk is good

[fierce elm]

oh yeah totes

the two people playing it kek

[lavish quest]

Crazy, people make game feel like ass, then question why no one is playing

[fierce elm]

You know

for someone who hates the game

you sure invest a lot of thought into it

for someone who hates the way arms plays

[lavish quest]

I just play pve...

[fierce elm]

you sure invest a lot of thought into it

[lavish quest]

How dense are you at all times?

[fierce elm]

Im just saying

[lavish quest]

I'm still playing the game, and still enjoy the game. Just not pvp kek

[fierce elm]

Ah yeah, just your daily doomer post in #pvp

[lavish quest]

Have opinion differing from Afro = maximum doomage

[fierce elm]

You know what, whatever

its okay

[lavish quest]

🤓

[green wharf]

afro waked up today and there was no white monster

[fierce elm]

I am bored out of my mind

[lavish quest]

Can't wait for the question of why is pvp so unpopular in a few months. wOnDeR wHy

[fierce elm]

and this will be one of the more interesting days this season because Arms got brought down from a SS tier spec to A tier

[fierce elm]

Because PvP as a gamemode has been dying for a long time

and receives zero attention from the devs outside of random buffs/nerfs that usually miss the target on what is wrong

because PvP is not a primary game-mode that brings in a lot of money

It all makes complete sense and nobody is blind to it

[lavish quest]

Yet still wOnDeRiNg

[fierce elm]

That and paired with the fact that 3s is a dying gamemode ever since introducing SS and Blitz

and they are trying to balance every bracket and that doesn't usually work out

[green wharf]

wait so pvp is ass or it isnt ass 🤔

[fierce elm]

and that the matchmaking is a mess

[lavish quest]

3s was dying before SS and blitz tbh

[fierce elm]

queue times are ass, the way to get into 3s is ass, the way to get into 2s is ass, I don't play blitz so can't comment on that, the changes are infrequent and based around some random schedule

[tight rain]

The more you read opinions about the game the worst feel the game

[fierce elm]

The playerbase is tiny

The barrier to enter any sort of PvP outside of blitz is really high because blizzard explains nothing about it

[north thicket]

So what comes first - the chicken or the egg

[fierce elm]

There is no sort of tutorial that introduces the PvP mechanics nor any help to get from Blizzards own side

[north thicket]

The money from pvp game mode or the good design

[fierce elm]

You want more lmao

[green wharf]

pvp gameplay is also ass imo, balance is out of window with some specs playing in the paleolitic age, and others playing modern wow

[fierce elm]

You can just waltz into raids and have fun, you can't do that in PvP

There are clear outliers in PvP that just fucking blow chunks or are playing another game

[green wharf]

i look at ret gameplay and look how fucked dk and warrior is

or outlaw

[tight rain]

Play 1 day per week, go touch grass, repeat next week

[fierce elm]

Specs are extremely weirdly designed because PvP isn't a considered gamemode kek

[tight rain]

Is a game, is not that important

[fierce elm]

No, look at ret and warrior then look at DK and realize how fucked it is

Imagine having a perma-slow, grips and still can't keep up

With the worst defensives in the game

and the easiest go to stop out of all of them

[lavish quest]

Not a problem with DK tho

[green wharf]

i doesnt feel to me warrior is a modern class

[north thicket]

Look at the other perspective

[green wharf]

it still plays like it does in legion

[lavish quest]

It's a problem with everyone having passive slows and freedom

[fierce elm]

But yeah

it is what it is

we can't impact it unfortuantely

[north thicket]

Maybe ranged are crazy overbuffed and out of any control

[green wharf]

that too

[fierce elm]

Blizzard has clearly shown that the dwindling SS and 3s playebrase is not something they care about

[north thicket]

That's why DKs can't keep up

[green wharf]

mages can do so much shit and have so much damage

[fierce elm]

Ranged aren't even crazy overbuffed thats the thing

[lavish quest]

Dragons Tokyo drifting at Mach 9 while pissing on you

[green wharf]

they can throw a fucking wall of ice in the arena

how crazy is that

[fierce elm]

There are like 4 ranged specs that are good

[north thicket]

Whenever ranged aren't kept in check - pvp becomes a shit fiesta with snipes from 40y range

[fierce elm]

with 2 of them being extremely good lmao

[sharp meteor]

trying to join a pve guild where isnt full of 4th percentile parsing 70 year olds and they want like 9 previous ce's

[fierce elm]

There are like 5-6 good melee specs

with 3 being extremely good lmao

[north thicket]

Going into a battleground you have 2 mages and 2 hunters in every team

[lavish quest]

Frost mage spam roots you when you even just think about moving

[north thicket]

At least

[fierce elm]

lmfao that too

[fierce elm]

SS/3s talking here mainly

I can't comment on the Blitz meta

[sharp meteor]

blitz is mostly who knows where to be which is nobody until rly high mmr

oh sick the bm hunter is sitting dr when mt and belf are active nice cool

[lavish quest]

https://tenor.com/view/diego-awkward-puppets-nxk-slot-machine-casino-gif-26842542

Blitz gameplay

[fierce elm]

kek

But yeah we are playing a subsection of a game that is barely considered a gamemode

Can't have high expectations

[sharp meteor]

i mean for most people pve is just sitting around for a half hour apping to keys

for a chance at a crumb of dopamine

[fierce elm]

Can't wait for M+ Solo queue

[lavish quest]

Playing dps in keys. May as well kms

[sharp meteor]

would rather set myself on fire than q that on tank

[fierce elm]

kek

It would be glorious

[green wharf]

half a hour

[sharp meteor]

half way through the dungeon 2 of the 3 dps have 1 innterrupt

die die die

[green wharf]

straight up it took me 5 hours to finish a +7 key

[fierce elm]

Also, not to just shit on blizzard here but the playerbase has changed so incredibly much

[green wharf]

it started at a +10

[fierce elm]

and everyone is too worried about being good than having fun

[green wharf]

fuck mythic

[fierce elm]

Or being MDI pullers in M+ in a 8

[lavish quest]

Idk man, tank has the best deal when it comes to randoms. You kind of can direct them. Playing bm hunter with player pets

[sharp meteor]

keys are fun the avg pug insect isnt

[sharp meteor]

ya so the thing with tank in keys is its like healer in pvp

[fierce elm]

Pugs? Oh yeah gotta be meta comps for my +4 only KSH

[sharp meteor]

u get to pick people

who are nice and/or good

[fierce elm]

PvP? Oh yeah gotta be one of the two best specs for my 1400 gameplay

[sharp meteor]

ya wow players look up tier lists for 99.8% success rate content that takes 12 minutes

[fierce elm]

its wild lmao

[sharp meteor]

erm sry ur not viable

[lavish quest]

I pug, as tank, most of the time cause I just kinda play when I play

[sharp meteor]

ya no wait

[fierce elm]

Everyone is so concerned about the spot of their spec on a tier list

[lavish quest]

So I work in the arts of directing the regards

[sharp meteor]

wish specs had their own ladders in keys

sry bro top 500 keys are all the same comp

every season

forever

[lavish quest]

Not a bad idea tbh

[fierce elm]

I mean thats the way it should be

it should be per spec

[lavish quest]

I always play prot war when good or when shit

I should learn the other tanks tho

I've been dabbling in prot pal

[sharp meteor]

i thought a rly cool thing about both soloq modes is that eadch spec has a ladder

its like yo what if i wanna play prot

then i can play prot

[fierce elm]

The rating system should work like the SS system

[sharp meteor]

whereas in 2s or 3s itd legit be pointless

[fierce elm]

naa

it should be individual in 3s too

[sharp meteor]

ig it opens the door to "carry the bad spec" boosting but thats already kin dof the case in blitz and its fine

idk

[fierce elm]

At least for how you queue it

It opens the door for boosting yeah but that is already prevalent

lmao

[green wharf]

yeah kinda like that too

[sharp meteor]

reduce interrupt requirement in midnight with no team auras and honestlyt like

i could see them doing soloq keys

cos right now coordination level is like

[green wharf]

you dont need to make an alt if you tanked into mmr hell

[sharp meteor]

moderately high

[sharp meteor]

man low mmr blitz is so demonic

glad its usually kind of quick to fix that but then doomed to bad mmr games until later in the evenin

[lavish quest]

I'll tell you wuhat tho. Been learning to heal in keys... that shit is demonic. Just powerless to control anything. All I can do is heal people's fuck ups and help kick/stun

[green wharf]

try to get a disconect

[lavish quest]

But I just have to watch as my monkeys monke

[green wharf]

i went from 1700 as fury* to 1400

[sharp meteor]

ya last season my healer got dc'd

whatever we lose go next

3 mins later it kicks me

lose like 200 cr

back when half hour queue and 55-60% wr for 20 points a game

whole day just gone

[green wharf]

they think you abandoned the game, so they match you with other quitters

[sharp meteor]

arms dc actually just

soul crushing

[green wharf]

i got the most hateful, obnoxious and mentally deficient people after i got a disconect

non stop talking shit on chat, purposefully fucking up your own team

had one dude grab the flag and run away to die, or to the enemy base to give then, afks

shit was wild

in my what, 13 years playing wow i never had to report a person, i did in those matches

[sharp meteor]

gettin people on giga losing streaks is rough

cos they decide to start doin random nonsense

rogues like i been using cc and losin every game so now im not usin cc and gets 1v1'd by a warrior

[green wharf]

[rancid granite]

I like u

[green wharf]

i end up doing the same deranged build

[brazen horizon]

Holy shit this is happening to me on an alt in Blitz rn

It's the actual fucking worst

[sharp meteor]

load in disc priest says theyre losing every game then goes off and does some random nonsense solo instead of just planting mid and pve healing the deathball

just the nature of 8v8s

[brazen horizon]

The thing in running into is just a ton of capture point maps where my ass can't do much on my own because I'm already holding a base because no one else would

[urban skiff]

it's just fun

Who here was the hunter master?

[rancid granite]

o.o >.>

[frank knoll]

That’s in M+ for me too
Whole group dies during Big Momma in OFG because the healer Druid is running around in cat form not doing anything while the whole group dies from pulsing AoE

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

still undecided between BM and survival and gathering conq

is there any sort of overlap in the gear I want?

[green wharf]

there was one dude here that got 2.4 on MM on bliz, i only got 2.1 on mm and 2k as bm

[rancid granite]

MM and aimed shot spam :)

[green wharf]

i think they pretty much use the same gear

[urban skiff]

no thanks, mm is a caster

[green wharf]

haste=Mastery

with bm wanting more mastery i think

[urban skiff]

Do they want a lot of vers or are they like enh where vers isn't a big deal?

[green wharf]

i men, 20% more or less

the normal gear already have plenty

[urban skiff]

Yea but I always craft everything, and full crafted gear is a lot less vers than normal pvp gear

The conq transfer is kind of meh for me because of that tactic. Only have use for tier pieces for conversion. WIsh they would just let us move conq to alts

[green wharf]

if you craft with verst it should be fine

[urban skiff]

still think it's funny how little squishy i feel on my shaman despite having so low vers

[green wharf]

but yeah i wouldnt go below 20%

[urban skiff]

Hope hunter is as easy to play

[green wharf]

on my BM i have this, with the pvp stats on

this is MM

[urban skiff]

But it's sort of same for survival?

lucky i guess

for rogues the gear is all different so have to be ready to recraft everything

[green wharf]

fucking premades 3 healers versus 1

[green wharf]

survival is the same as BM afaik yeah

[fickle forge]

Blitz

[urban skiff]

I should be fine playing survival right?

It won't be that much harder than enh

?

[green wharf]

survivl is prob the hardest spec behind some rogues

only bicmex know how to play that shit

[urban skiff]

what's so hard about it?

isn't it basically enhancement with fewer buttons?

[green wharf]

its hard to play effectivelly

you will know when you try it

[urban skiff]

sure

but is it better than enh?

if played at exact same level, should I have higher rating or same rating?

[green wharf]

probably lower

[urban skiff]

wait, seriously?

[green wharf]

enh is easier man

trust me

it performs better as well

[copper fox]

Survival is probably one of the best ss specs in the game but it’s not easy to be good at

[urban skiff]

what's the main challenge(s) to be good at survival?

obviously probably surviving

[sharp meteor]

refraining from telling people you only play survival

like a vegan with a spear

[urban skiff]

lol

Actually I've got a hammer

[green wharf]

You should just try out and check

maybe you can pull it off

[urban skiff]

I am

just kind of don't want to waste time crafting survival gear only to find out the main challenge to be a good survival requires doing stuff I don't enjoy

like running around a pillar forever waiting for cooldowns? SKIP!

7.7k for a full set, but need to probs get 2500 extra for other spec weapon

[green wharf]

like i said, you can use the same gear for BM

[copper fox]

@fierce elm

[urban skiff]

by the sound of it, it's a lot different

but also 2500 conq difference in weapon

[fierce elm]

lmfao

Alcohol isnt cals

[copper fox]

It’s just feels

[urban skiff]

Only 108 crates left until I have full gear on my hunter

Would rather be gearing my rogue or feral but right now it's alliance hour

[green wharf]

the gameplay is different, but same status

[urban skiff]

no i mean, bm looks like it wants a lot of haste. Apparently survival wants as much mastery as possible and then split vers and haste equally

[fierce elm]

Boutta go slam smoked bbq

Will send pics lmao

[urban skiff]

I made flap meat yesterday

I had no idea how ridiculously delicious that meat would be

I'm downright offended that i only bothered buying it now

[green wharf]

nope

[urban skiff]

nope what?

[copper fox]

Hell yes

[green wharf]

BM wants a lot of mastery too

and both want haste

[urban skiff]

you sure bm wants mastery?

because this stat spread is very different

this is at least 5 recrafts difference

[urban skiff]

dude that's not even close to survival

[copper fox]

That’s like a crafted ring + 1 other piece of mastery

[urban skiff]

no, those stats are before pvp is enabled

[copper fox]

BM definitely prios haste

[urban skiff]

that's 3x jewelry and legs and i think boots at the very least

[copper fox]

But generally a mix at this point in the season

It’s similar to warrior where the mix late season >

[green wharf]

they show different in the %

[urban skiff]

yea, but survival seems to be just full on mastery because it's a "vers but better" stat

[green wharf]

let me grab a pic

[copper fox]

Yea I’m talking about bm

[urban skiff]

Yeah, my original question was about how much overlap, in case I want to start buying pieces but am still undecided between BM and Survival

[copper fox]

Ah ok

[green wharf]

this is mine for BM

this is mine for survival

same gear

you can safely take from haste and add to mastery

cause BM does good either way

[urban skiff]

You can go full haste arms and full haste fury but that doesn't mean they're both best for their respective specs

[green wharf]

right, but more mastery BM is also good

[urban skiff]

I'm just going to hold off buying gear for now

[green wharf]

people on the hunter discord also said that

[fickle forge]

The correct hunter stat build is to press logout and then go down to press 'delete character'

@wheat jay did that

[urban skiff]

artji is the better man

[wheat jay]

REAL

why play hunter

when you can do monk

that's more fun

and you cant miss para

youcan miss trap

[urban skiff]

if you're going to play monk, just play enh for the superior experience

[wheat jay]

cap

the other way around

[urban skiff]

@elfin surge said enh is the strongest spec in the game but that it doesn't have a bicmex to convince people that it's as good as it is

and I'm sure he didn't say it just to make me feel better about only beating warriors

[sand sundial]

"it is what it is" pack

switch the cig for something else

[fickle forge]

I got our comp name btw

[wheat jay]

loveless

[fickle forge]

Palmageddon

[elfin surge]

i said mw is the strongest healer in 2s

holy fuck u spun that

LOL

[urban skiff]

NO no no

I'm certain you said enh

🙂

https://tenor.com/view/gravewalker-nuncamorto-coringando-dafoe-willem-dafoe-gif-18185510239881759990

[wheat jay]

xd?

[fickle forge]

Ever heard of Rdruid?

[elfin surge]

i said mw enh is probably a good comp in 2s for enh

LOL

HOLY

[elfin surge]

ever see a mw 1v2 a healer dps before?

i did last night

[fickle forge]

Exactly

[elfin surge]

ran around for 40 seconds then randomly one shots the rdruid as mw

[urban skiff]

mud backtracking because the cool kids are awake

[fickle forge]

You seen these Hpalas doing 500k dps in 2s?

[urban skiff]

that's my dream

[fickle forge]

Denounce 😴

[wheat jay]

good enough

[elfin surge]

ever seen feedgod's stream?

[urban skiff]

already did that but I ran out of dps'ers that are cool with me doing more dam than them

and now my wife won't play dps no more

[green wharf]

crack?

[elfin surge]

https://www.twitch.tv/xfeedgodx/clip/TangentialDiligentMonitorThunBeast-lTFpsrKdZ0i6NrDa

this clip is no longer available

mf i just made it huh

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-gif-7678673529070379788

[sand sundial]

Yeah sure

[fierce elm]

@copper fox @urban skiff

[urban skiff]

Looks good

[fierce elm]

Not picture the side of smoked beef taco

[copper fox]

Damn. Just finished my workout I can’t wait to eat lol

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[urban skiff]

we're having the hotdog tonight

[urban skiff]

easy recipe for the mac'n cheese?

[fierce elm]

idk

[green wharf]

mac and cheese

[fierce elm]

it was mac and cheese with jalapeno

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

macaronus

cheese

milk probs

jalapeños

[urban skiff]

cheese without jalapeno is a crime

[sharp meteor]

Cook pasto in milk take off heat add cheese.

[urban skiff]

that sounds significantly easier than the recipes i've encountered so far

[sharp meteor]

Cover then fry panlo I'm butter on skillet and top with thus if you like some texture

Er panko

[slim saffron]

gotta use real authentic government government jalapeno cheese though

[urban skiff]

huu

[prime solar]

man that execute nerf feels....very bad.

but at least you can sit in roots for 12 seconds still 🤡

[fierce elm]

Let your feelings out

lets see your execute details

[prime solar]

im not here to have my logs picked through for corn. Im here to complain

[fierce elm]

Yeah, post your execute details

and if they are low it do be like that

(Im also tryna gather data)

[prime solar]

max was 2m crit last game but could of been just smashing absorbs or reductions all game

[urban skiff]

want data? i can give you data

2s, 3s, solo?

Blizzard NEEDS to allow Survival hunters to equip a shield with their polearm

[fierce elm]

I want ss, 2s and 3s data

of what execute hits

Like not trying to bash someone

Literally just want to see it

[urban skiff]

you can search through wow arena logs if you don't want to wait

they show the damage spread, to see the numbers you can go into replay and find the times they pop cds, or instead scroll through the kill window to see executes

[fierce elm]

Thats NERDY

[urban skiff]

Hey, that's your own fault. If you didn't want a fat infodump you shouldn't have come in here dressed like that.

Now just lie back and take it

[vital breach]

Survival shouldnt be pet spec, change my mind, imagine sneaking in forest with big bear following ur steps

[urban skiff]

agreed

Or sort of agreed

Survival is mixing up two different fantasies at once

[fierce elm]

give me a tldr

[urban skiff]

The rambo making explosive arrows and bombs
And
The cavemen hunting mammoths with spears 2000 years ago

[urban skiff]

what do you want exactly

[fierce elm]

Why have god abandoned the world

[urban skiff]

I got bored and decided to play enhancement

[vital breach]

Either change name to engineer hunter with explosions or do primal guy who eats his pets

[urban skiff]

agreed

but also allow UH to put on a dress and cast soulbolts

[vital breach]

Unh also should be semi petless with all pets summonable by spells for a period

How he walks with ghoul if its mindless

[urban skiff]

tbh if you know Libris Mortis, give us the necrotic cyst spells

Now that would be amazing for a blood caster

[rancid granite]

whats the paintcan??

[vital breach]

I dont but unholy casting army of undeads would be better, and we need plate caster

[fierce elm]

Saucy apple coleslaw

It was really fresh and good

Not heavy like coleslaw can be

[rancid granite]

i assumedc coleslaw but it was so damn saucy for sure

coleslaw soup

[fierce elm]

yeah

[rancid granite]

whole thing looks so good though

[fierce elm]

there was a saucy option

and a non-saucy opttion

and GF went for the saucy option lmao

[urban skiff]

the what now?

[fierce elm]

The paintcan

[rancid granite]

'what size would you like' 'a paintcan please'

[fierce elm]

lmao

It doesn't look like much food tbh

it was 300g of pure meat on my thing+a taco

100g on hers

plus the sides

lmao

The fucking mac and cheese was pretty much a main dish

[pastel swan]

burn @elfin surge at the stake

[fierce elm]

Idolize MUD what the hell

[verbal tangle]

@elfin surge Mage Under Disguise

[urban skiff]

Maladaptive Udder Divorce

[urban skiff]

So the thing the rest of the world calls a can?

[fierce elm]

I once saw MUD irl living in a fry carton outside of McDonalds

yes lmao

[urban skiff]

Aatos is spicy brain

[fickle forge]

I once saw MUD irl living in a fry carton outside of McDonalds

[cosmic field]

glad inc

[urban skiff]

Jeez how low is your damage if this deals that big %?

You should roll up enh

[fierce elm]

Greater probs

lmao

[urban skiff]

Are the greater enchants that good?

[fierce elm]

1.1% is that good?

[urban skiff]

Figured they would be marginally better.

[fickle forge]

Nuke corruptions

[fierce elm]

are you reading this picture correctly my danish buddy

[fickle forge]

Nuke em'

Make it 0.01% of a breakdown

Heck make them heal the enemy

[urban skiff]

apparently not, because I'm seeing 15%

[fierce elm]

thats not the % of his damage

thats crit % iirc

the damage % is 1.1

its also on the 18th place on his damage

[urban skiff]

how would I know, he has way more columns in his details?

[fierce elm]

lmao

you an also get that

Alos because the fat 18 next to Gushin g wounds

the tiny bar that shows total damage

[urban skiff]

now you got me looking at details again

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

getting out-dps'd by the warrior sucks

[fickle forge]

Is Zercher the enh sham that James was flaming in gc? @fierce elm

[urban skiff]

gc?

[fierce elm]

naa it cant be

[fickle forge]

Group chat

[urban skiff]

nah this guy was russian

[fickle forge]

The breakdown is almost the same lmao

[fierce elm]

na na it isnt

lmao

I had to check

[urban skiff]

when was it?

[fierce elm]

it wasnt you

I checked

[urban skiff]

I've killed a looooot of warriors

haha

[fierce elm]

he is a healer

gearing his alt account rdruid

because he got banned for 14 days on his main account lmfao

[urban skiff]

ah

remind him the scary enh is somewhere on the 2s ladder

make him stay away from queue

is this useful info for anyone?

[fierce elm]

no not really

[fickle forge]

How do I snipe you bro

[urban skiff]

I can tell you when we're queueing?

[fierce elm]

Kargish is online once per week

so he can tell you when he is queueing lmao

[fickle forge]

I tried with my green geared warr, but it was 2.2k mmr in 3 games

[urban skiff]

imagine if I went and said that in shuffle

"I queued up on my fresh alt once and now I'm 2600 MMR because went 6-0" 😮

[fierce elm]

lmao

I would believe you

[urban skiff]

Time to sit that rating so nobody can prove it was luck

[fierce elm]

(Kargish was getting his MMR boosted by his healer having high MMR and facing high MMR people)

also MMR doesn't matter

[urban skiff]

My MMR is pretty stable in 2s but me and wife almost entirely only played these two characters together, so I figure it's more precise than two randos mashing keyboards

[fickle forge]

We won, so there was no boosting

[urban skiff]

Did methanananaa forget to hit 2.4k on enh?

[fickle forge]

James also got banned cause of our 2s though

[fierce elm]

You were in fact getting your MMR inflated by James lmao

[fickle forge]

This was in reality just an elaborate plan to dodge 3s

[fierce elm]

@copper fox where is your 2.4k Enhance huh

[fierce elm]

Is that why he is playing 18 hours per day to gear rn

lmfao

[fickle forge]

Didn't foresee that he's dedicated

: )

[urban skiff]

he's sweating

@fierce elm i'm 1 win away from overtaking you in 2s

[fierce elm]

who the fuck plays 2s

[urban skiff]

YOU

[fickle forge]

He's 1 win away from overtaking you in 2s

[fierce elm]

Yeah I did those to gear James iirc

or was it Kargish?

we were gearing someone

lmao

[urban skiff]

I have more wins than you

clearly I'm superior

[fickle forge]

Zercher would beat Afro's sub rogue

[fierce elm]

Oh you absolutely do lmfao

Oh he absolutely would lmao

[urban skiff]

I'd beat afro's sub rogue like a red headed step child caught fucking the family pet

[fierce elm]

My sub is HORRIBLE

[onyx marlin]

20 stack greater void, fuck it

im playing gushing, 83k per tick procs all the time

xd

[fierce elm]

Alright

Answer me this brother

since you value Gushing over this rn

Would you rather have two sockets or 1% more damage

[urban skiff]

SIM IT

[fierce elm]

rather, would you have two gems on every stat

[urban skiff]

boom

[fierce elm]

lmao

or 1% more damage

Now, in order to answer this, you don't want the 1% more damage

Its more than two gems even lmao

[onyx marlin]

thing is

[fierce elm]

Its literally two ring enchants for every stat

at max stacks

[onyx marlin]

void ritual isnt proccing all the time

[fierce elm]

with like a 20-30% uptime

[urban skiff]

I'd take the stats if I was guaranteed to have them up during cooldowns

[copper fox]

Woah I didn’t get there yet hold up

[onyx marlin]

and the max stats only last for 1 second

[fierce elm]

Yeah, and within 5 seconds you have one extra gem for every stat

within 10 seconds you have two extra gems for every stat

[onyx marlin]

however gushing procs even from farts

[fierce elm]

within 15, 3, within 20, 4

It doesn't matter in the end

but Gushing is more useless because it provides 1% damage at most, while void ritual at least provides some Vers

and offensive stats

[onyx marlin]

if it was 20 stack and procced more than once per minute then maybe

20 stacks all the time

i mean

[fierce elm]

From my testing it has had about a 20-30% uptime per game

[urban skiff]

enjoy that 600 crit rating while you're rooted 🙂

[fierce elm]

or was it 30-40%

[fierce elm]

Enjoy the Gushing doing nothing lmfao

[fickle forge]

We're gearing my Hpala @fierce elm

[fierce elm]

are we

[urban skiff]

I'm on team voidshit

I might try something else

The twilight devastation is weird

[fickle forge]

Yes, it's a 20 IQ spec again, so I can play it

[urban skiff]

I kept getting 85k procs and occasionally 600k+. I swear it's proccing more on pets

[fierce elm]

It sucks ass

But yeah, gushing does nothing

Void ritual does something

[urban skiff]

I'll take a chunky 600k over a gushing proc

[fierce elm]

Me too personally

[urban skiff]

pvp is all about chunky and unpredictable damage, OR, being unhealable through stuff like cc

[fierce elm]

no its totally about the 1% gushing wound bleed lmfao

[fickle forge]

Stop arguing about corruptions like they matter nerds

[fierce elm]

How about you git gud

There is a rating requirement to talk about this Kargish, you do not meet the requirements

You have to be above 1200 in SS

Also Kargish says this like I don't figure out everything for him

[fickle forge]

Don't reply to me unless you're very high rating (2800 NA / 1500 EU)

[urban skiff]

Hey just wondering, does it count as matchfixing to tell kargish when we're queueing 2s just to farm his snipe attempts?

[fickle forge]

: )

[fierce elm]

Literally Kargish doesn't have to think about anything

because I tell him everything lmao

[fickle forge]

Afro is invested

I write my Icy Veins guides based off of what he's currently spamming in my DMs

[urban skiff]

can i write icy veins guides?

[fickle forge]

You can write their genshin impact guides

[urban skiff]

is there stormstrike?

[fickle forge]

I think so

[fierce elm]

lmao

Why am I not being paid for your icy-veins stuff

[onyx marlin]

y you right, i thought it could proc from dots but it doesnt

[fierce elm]

I am always right

[onyx marlin]

even to it does 3% of my dmg, not 1%

so no, you are not always right

xd

[copper fox]

Imagine not using a tentacle just because it’s a tentacle

[fickle forge]

Cause you just repeat 1:1 what Murlok displays

It's why I meme on your shit about colossus lmfao

[fickle forge]

Too much green web for you brother

[copper fox]

[fierce elm]

Hell no brother

I do my field research too

ya f u c k

[fickle forge]

Yip yap

[fierce elm]

I tried colo

it sucked

I won against every colo, they sucked

I saw every colo arms being smashed except for one

[onyx marlin]

on dummy tho 🤣

[fierce elm]

pretty easy answer

[fickle forge]

"So you see, there's 35 to 15 slayers right now ☝️ 🤓"

[fierce elm]

turns out hitting Demolish compared to just hitting execute

Yeah because your argument doesn't work

[fickle forge]

Yeah, me

[fierce elm]

the time you thought Fatality was bad

remember that

and how you argued I was wrong

and that it was bad

[fickle forge]

I never said it was bad

I said I dislike it lmao

And I still do

[fierce elm]

Yeah okay buddy

relax

[fickle forge]

I want it removed

[fierce elm]

Whats up

huh

[fickle forge]

It fucking SUCKS man

[copper fox]

This shows me what

[fierce elm]

What the fuck is up man

huh

Whats up

[fickle forge]

It S U C K S brother

[fierce elm]

whats up DANISH MAN

[fickle forge]

S U C K S
U
C
K
S

[onyx marlin]

that i preffer gushing over void ritual

idk

[copper fox]

O

[fickle forge]

Anyway

[copper fox]

Ok

[fickle forge]

We

[fierce elm]

HOLY FUCK RIGHTEOUS FIRE 3.6%

[fickle forge]

Gotta spam

Now

To hide

The evidence

[fierce elm]

lmao

[fickle forge]

So

Yeah

[copper fox]

TENTACLES

[onyx marlin]

[fierce elm]

HOLY FUCK THE ENCHANT

[fickle forge]

Ya'll ever split up your reps?

Like you gotta do 9

But you count to 3

Then 3

And then 3

Mental boost

[fierce elm]

I don't count

[fickle forge]

Animals cannot reply to the above

[sharp meteor]

Pretending you even can

[sharp meteor]

[fickle forge]

[This message is only viewable by high rated players (3k NA /1.6k EU)]

[sharp meteor]

Eu noob region

[spice hornet]

The European mind cannot comprehend 72g of protein in 10 Taco Bell nuggets

[haughty jewel]

fatality is good

rend is what sucks

rend makes you think you need to press it

but you dont

[copper fox]

Exactly

Rend is a psyop

[cosmic field]

thats what big bleed want you think

[lavish quest]

Better start getting 4m rend ticks, that's all I'm sayin

[sharp meteor]

Rend feels bad hamstring feels worse

[lavish quest]

Warrior blows

Remember when they didn't want people to play demo in wod so they made it suck?
They been at it again on warrior for years now. Change my mind

[wheat jay]

[urban skiff]

It's the next one i'm trying. Issue is pets seem to eat my Twilight dev. procs and i figure the others aren't better

[spice hornet]

@sharp meteor imagine getting run down by meme build enh Zercher with twilight Dev

[urban skiff]

Only if you count it like 1 2 3 2 2 3 3 2 3

[fierce elm]

Ever try to tempo count while rep counting

that shit is impossible

[urban skiff]

What is tempo count?

[urban skiff]

Worse yet, imagine losing

[fierce elm]

1, 2, 3 s down, then press

repeat

Tempo

[urban skiff]

Ah, yeah got my wife with a stop watch and a cane

Slap the shit out of my junk if i don't hold the tempo

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/jhin-gif2-gif-18689169

[worthy fern]

Rend doing good damage would make warrior perfect

And making d stance better

Two fixes for perfection

[urban skiff]

bake skullcrusher and fatality into one button and make it manually activated "on next autoattack" thing like old heroic strike

If you're going to make bold statements at least have some imagination

😮

[north thicket]

This? 🤢

[worthy fern]

@urban skiff rend doing good damage makes it so if you apply rend before you’re go then you have a good amount of extra damage during csmash, having good uptime on rend will increase dps (skill check), and then getting it on a rogue before they vanish can actually break it.

[urban skiff]

meat is meat

the only part of a nugget you taste is the breading

[fickle forge]

I cannot handle breaded food anymore

It's vile to me

[urban skiff]

fingers

use your fingers

not your hand

[north thicket]

There is even some meat inside these things? Omg

Chlorinated chicken meat?

[fierce elm]

It is usually a mixture of the unsellable parts of a chicken

yes

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm i killed Raphael without taking any damage besides Us taking two rays from a Scorching Ray out of like, 6 casts

[sand sundial]

And all the cholesterol.. Imagine not having food and health regulations

[sand sundial]

I finished BG3 tactician just yesterday

[urban skiff]

This was honour mode

I went a little overboard though

[sand sundial]

Do you use cheese strats

[urban skiff]

nop

I never pre-buff anything with a duratioin and I always walk into any trap encounter, no pre-placing any characters except what makes sense. Like which characters would walk single file and which would hang out in the back.

Essentially I imagine anything I do, would a DM at a table stop the game to slap me if I did it at a table

[sand sundial]

I recommend divinity 2 after

[urban skiff]

Finished solo honour mode in DoS2

[sand sundial]

Nice

[fierce elm]

DoS 2 is so funny because even if you don't cheese oyu get absurdly busted act 3

[sand sundial]

That game is awesome as well

[sand sundial]

Yeah lmfao

Act4 you are fighting gods and everything one-shots

[urban skiff]

I'm gearing up for a solo honour mode bg3 but I also want to do it with a character that only fights like Darth Vader does

[sand sundial]

Eldritch Knight then

[urban skiff]

So I imagine hold person / monster, telekinesis, some charmstuffs maybe

[sand sundial]

Or Hexblade

[urban skiff]

I was thinking full hexblade

[sand sundial]

You can also do Oathbreakern paladin

[urban skiff]

but also max out strength + charisma and then have low con because his health is fucked, and low dex because he's as mobile as a power lifter

Same issue as when making anime characters: Not enough stat points to cover what a character can and can't do..

[sand sundial]

You don't need strength

[urban skiff]

nah

I do

[sand sundial]

And there are elixirs and workarounds

[urban skiff]

I loathe elixirs

Entirely skip them because they're too cheesy for me 😦

[sand sundial]

They're very much not needed yeah

[urban skiff]

For shoves and throwing people and I think I want the final weapon to be the Giantslayer

[dense herald]

iirc if you crit into shield details counts it as non crit

[urban skiff]

and tbh, playing solo you need a pack mule

[sand sundial]

I do like weapon oils and arrows for my physical classes though

[dense herald]

but that was a while ago might be pat ched

[fierce elm]

that makes sense

but holy balls did you go far back for that

[urban skiff]

I've separated the elixirs into tolerable and completely off limits for myself.

[dense herald]

when i openend the channel it put me there cuz i hadnt checked since yday

btw is 20% haste aiit for arms

[sand sundial]

Still don't need str for giantslayer because hexblade pact weapon will turn it into a charisma roll

[fierce elm]

I would dump some mast for haste

personally

[urban skiff]

no, you keep the strength bonus and also get charisma

[fierce elm]

I was at 20% haste

jumped to 28% haste and it 'felt' better

but it can also just be mental lmao

[urban skiff]

afaik

[dense herald]

i had fury gear haventn been playing and i didnt know arms was better till yday lel

[sand sundial]

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Hex_Warrior

I can't ss on my shitty browser but here

[urban skiff]

straight off of reddit. I don't think it works differently for hexblade over potb

Basically you get 1x strength 2x charisma to your damage

then 3x charisma at level 12

I need GWM to go with this

so base damage would be 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 10 before variables

[sand sundial]

I can test this when Im on my computer

[urban skiff]

assuming hag + astarion pot + mirror +3 cha

[urban skiff]

If i weren't about to eat and play with wife I'd test right now

but I'm certain it works that way

But I think 22 cha and str should be possible. Then throw in acuity synergy from helm or ring

[sand sundial]

There is a +2 cha item

[sand sundial]

Link me this pls

I'll test when I'm on pc unless I forget

[urban skiff]

If I really wanted to look the part of vader, I'd probs have upcasted shadowblade + elemental weapon and grab the psychic vuln thingy

[urban skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BG3Builds/comments/1era3ov/pact_of_the_blade_baldurans_giantslayer/

think of it as being the same as titanstring bow, you add your strength mod again

[sand sundial]

Hmm but this is just for this weapon only as I've though

[urban skiff]

yeah it's only for the giantslayer

[sand sundial]

That's what I was looking for

[urban skiff]

but I'd still be using strength to lug around all the gear before

[sand sundial]

I mean, yeah sure

I would go medium armor + dex for initiative and survival though but hey it's your run

[urban skiff]

My big issue is that I've got all 3 asi/feats locked down but i also want heavy armor because vader feels like a heavy armor guy

Yea but the thing is, the goal is to do it with a specific character. Not just the strongest

Or i'd be just another hexadin or hexbardin(?)

[sand sundial]

Without giving up a feat/ class level not sure if possible

For heavy armor

[urban skiff]

It's not, except like one select heavy armor which doesn't really give me the aesthetic I want

Helldusk or craterflesh gloves?

[sand sundial]

I would go full helldusk

[urban skiff]

there's also legacy of the masters, +2 attack and damage

[faint hemlock]

Arms warrior build for pvp staying the same pretty much? sorry if it's been talked to death I tried to scroll up lol

[urban skiff]

sure, we're literally on day1 so just try and tell us how it goes

we're still in the "figure out and share what works and doesn't" phase, i think

Maybe wait for the americans or NAs if you want a full extra day of experience

[worldly oriole]

i thought EU was a week behind the US?

[faint hemlock]

Tried colossus because it sounded fun and a little tankier, but demolish feels really bad tbh even at 10 stacks with CS if you dont get crits it's just kinda mid. Only at 2.2k mmr

[urban skiff]

I think helldusk gloves are probably it, the +1 to spells is going to help a ton getting in those evil paralyses.

[sand sundial]

I had this on my pala, gave the helldusk to a Hexblade Wyll (peak)

[urban skiff]

If I wasn't dead set on playing 2h I'd grab dueler's perogative

a full 3rd attack every round without haste or using BAs seem ok

[sand sundial]

Literally made for this one character, amazing fun late game

[urban skiff]

might still be worth it with enough modifiers

Oh that reminds me, I also kind of want to make doomguy

Just straight up crossbow fighter with crossbox expert and sharpshooter, just walk up to people and gun them down. Maybe throw in booming blade for spice

[north thicket]

Zercher, do you have a solution how to efficiently farm the head enchant / minimal time sunk into these visions? (did the farm in BfA, not even remotely interested in this content rn)

[urban skiff]

best i can do with short short notice is link the org path for 0 masks

or guess you can tag along with us if you're EU and can wait for me to finish eating

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1kxczu5/0_mask_org_full_clear_pathing/

full post here

[north thicket]

Thanks a lot!

But the sanity talent farm still have to be done? A full run is undoable without some of the talents no matter how quick one goes?

[sharp meteor]

Is that a route for no masks

[urban skiff]

yes

that's why the title is "0 mask"

🙂

[urban skiff]

was possible

[frozen lance]

WoW players trying not to optimize the fun out of the game 0.03 seconds after patch challenge (impossible)

[urban skiff]

yep

I don't follow it though

exploration is half the fun

[frozen lance]

You literally don't need a route since you can port back to start

[urban skiff]

wife finding out the potions change between runs after she made a meticulous list was peak entertainment

[frozen lance]

People just have simbrain

[urban skiff]

tbh the path changes from run to run because of how you can come across a +10% damage buff early or late depending on where you go and random luck

[urban skiff]

key is to not have a brain

[frozen lance]

No brain only zug

Understood

[fickle forge]

Man execute is so fucking WEAK now man

[copper fox]

@urban skiff which stormbringer enjoyers gear should I copy

I crafted all 3 pieces of jewelry as mastery so I think I already fkd up

lol

[urban skiff]

no clue, i didn't copy any

[lavish quest]

Dead ability

Back to slamming

[urban skiff]

read the pins

[lavish quest]

No

[rancid granite]

jhin mains rise up

[sand sundial]

peak character

[worldly oriole]

solo shuffle is meta af

[urban skiff]

so many rounds

[copper fox]

Conq boxes are rigged

Idc

Ain’t no way

We pull the same shit

With how many pieces there are

[jovial torrent]

both my chars this week got multiple bracers from vault, make it make sense

[sharp meteor]

i almost feel like there's a timer

3-4 opened at same time all chest etc

also depends on class but you can sometimes save a few pieces via catalyst

like boots, bracers, etc

roll crit bracers > catalyze to haste/vers for (class)

[copper fox]

Timer would make sense

[fierce elm]

I got 4 crit/vers rings on my paladin

out of like 9 boxes

: )

[sharp meteor]

ive just had an extreme amount of like

3 necks 4 chests 3 bracers when opening 25 boxos at once

oh well u get 2-4pc and enough ilev to get wep conq by which point you can fix remaining slots

so not that worst

[fierce elm]

I think its an ass system

and they should just make conq stuff cost 375 when uncapped

[spice hornet]

I truly think they are not even you districted

[jovial torrent]

yeh a reduction in cost and a boost to conquest per round/match, also losing needs to give some conquest

[fierce elm]

Its totally rigged though

[spice hornet]

Evenly distributed^ tf

[fierce elm]

Or just make conq transferrable lmao

[jovial torrent]

im just guna do crate farming till they randomly decide to nerf it

[worldly oriole]

i think i have every class fully geared

in epics

didnt do conq boxes

sorry i didnt do crates

[jovial torrent]

got 4 so far, but a few missing like 1-2 conquest bits cus of bloody coins

im 100% going to just blast 1800 on every char first few weeks with honor gear

before the need to conq cap

in next season

[sharp meteor]

ya that is the elite set tech

i use dto love doing every class now its like

i have my 1-2 mogs im never changin

[jovial torrent]

only one i have left that i really want is the mage set

rogue dk would be nice but i wouldnt really care if i didnt theres better rogue/dk sets

season 3 could be bangers if its based on etherals/void or brokers with their blue flame

they NEEEED to make this flame effect on helm the wep enchant for next season

[worldly oriole]

she got a funky monkey in her trunk

I live for that bass drop

I get livid when the beat hits

[north thicket]

But where Rend dmg, master?

[fickle forge]

In my colossus game

I didn't check it

Was like 11% of my dam

[north thicket]

Do we even Execute as Colossus nowadays?

[sharp meteor]

kind of a feeble button now isnt it

like ms or op always gonna do more right

does slam do more

[fierce elm]

Slam does not do more no

[north thicket]

So we the game design is

[fierce elm]

Its probably MS - Exe - OP but it can be MS - OP - Exe

[north thicket]

Unbind Rend as Slayer, unbind Execute as Colo

[sharp meteor]

slammed a guy for like a million as prot

[fierce elm]

They are basically interchangeable tbh

yeah

[north thicket]

Makes sense... 🤣

[fierce elm]

slam does usually not hit

[north thicket]

E what? Slam as prot 1 mil?

[sharp meteor]

bonk

[copper fox]

Rsham has too many buttons

[sharp meteor]

ya for real