pvp

[sharp meteor]

figure it out gang

[copper fox]

This is hilarious

[sharp meteor]

not my prob

[copper fox]

I keep forgetting to press clash too

If I pressed clash I’d be giga jacked on ww

[worldly oriole]

yeah I got 2100 in shuffle on ww and didn't press it once

started using tho

I actually got 2100 without using clones lmao

kinda cringe

[copper fox]

Why would you not use clones that doesn’t even make sense lol

It’s a dmg cd

[worldly oriole]

it wasn't bound and I didn't look at spellbook much returning to wow

I had a stop target macro for clones on my side bars

that I didn't use

so the button didn't highlight

in spellbook

[copper fox]

Ah

[spice hornet]

Ww and dh are just modern versions of warr

[elfin surge]

tomorrow we're back to being bleed bots

[copper fox]

Dh play style is so lame tho

Jumping around throwing your dot at people

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[elfin surge]

no?

[copper fox]

Easy solution

Just play fury like an adult

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gorilla-angry-monkey-angry-gorilla-maymun-gif-1035318201630366393

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge can you help me get into the cabal?

[elfin surge]

no

[copper fox]

That’s fkd up

Who’s the cabal leader

[sharp meteor]

raises paw

[haughty jewel]

starting tomorrow

my executes go from 5mil to 4.2mil

Fuk

[copper fox]

🎤 how will you cope

[copper fox]

Always knew this deep down

[visual plover]

im actually not mad abnout the rend buff

im so used to pressing clap it feels weird not doing it

[copper fox]

Yes the pad dmg will be insane

[visual plover]

aoe slow

[sharp meteor]

hope it applies to prot

[haughty jewel]

not even gonna play rend

rend will still do significantly less damage than slam

actually no per global if u run all talents to assist it it will do more

so nvm prob worth running

[elfin surge]

lowkey i think its just a colossus angle

thunderclap and rend talents

max pad and be immortal

maybe land some one shots

[sharp meteor]

lmao ya maybe

20% ip and 5% perma wall

[sharp meteor]

demolish is kind of opportunistic but like

[graceful moon]

autism victim

[sharp meteor]

ya thats an old cheese

bet everybody lost their ray WA after sl

[copper fox]

Colo - bleeds - live forever and just be a menace - pray for full demo

[elfin surge]

every good warrior comp

the war is the kill target

i swear

colossus helps with that

I get trained by a turbo all game as wmp

[urban skiff]

Even turbo?

[elfin surge]

i doubt its good but like

ffs its annoying

attack my mage!

[urban skiff]

it's better they attack you

gives you some agency when not in roots

[elfin surge]

I think its attack mage do bolt swaps to war

war is the one that dies

[urban skiff]

Or just roll enhancement and laugh all day in doggo form

your healer might even pat you and call you a good boy for winning

[sharp meteor]

ya mage is bait

[sharp meteor]

sort of

u cant ignore mage

but also cant rly kill them

so as mud says walk at mage goes on warr type of angle

[green wharf]

i still doubt

my rend was doing less damage than focusing lens

i dont think you want rend unles you do colossus

and if you play colossus you are deranged anyway

[sharp meteor]

idk could be fine

slayer has nothin defensively

colo being tanky gatekeeper that just crushes somebody if stuff is misused might be aight

or maybe its still just slayer idk

[haughty jewel]

i couldnt imagine games without having the mobility of slayer

[sharp meteor]

ya the mobility is nice

[haughty jewel]

think id blow me brainz out!

Arggh!!

[elfin surge]

colossus has a real shockwave stun

[sharp meteor]

missin bloodrage

its like hey man u dont wanna play gnome then suffer

[sharp meteor]

ya that's also nice

sucks that colo good in pve so probs no buffs

MAYBE a pvp specific one probably not

[green wharf]

no one in the AWC played gnome though 🧐

and they even went against frost mage and ele

[sharp meteor]

i dont play comp so i couldn't care less about what people do in it

people played vulp cos every game was demo

[green wharf]

im just saying maybe gnome isnt as that much important these days

[haughty jewel]

Gnome is best for ladder

Sure if u fightin a sub rogue orc it up

But I ain know if ima be fighting a sub rogue or not typ shit

[sharp meteor]

lmao

[green wharf]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[urban skiff]

wait what?

[sharp meteor]

in comp u know what u playin into

and everybody was demo so they played vulp

which is ofc awful for ladder

[urban skiff]

but what makes vulpera good into demo?

[sharp meteor]

nullified imp dmg

[urban skiff]

huh

yeah that'll do it

[green wharf]

wait how

[sharp meteor]

Nose.

🦊

[urban skiff]

he nose

[sharp meteor]

the might of the burning legion vs one nosy fox

[green wharf]

next timewalk i will lv up my alliance war

of course it is worgen

need to see how good their racial update was

[sharp meteor]

not great for warr

rly good for like rogue and monk

[urban skiff]

Worgen racial pretty good if you can combine it with a slow/root break

[sharp meteor]

or druid

[urban skiff]

Also warlock iirc

[sharp meteor]

eh freedom

[urban skiff]

Can't remember why

[sharp meteor]

like having a fast bladestorm or something is neato

or playing with hpal

[urban skiff]

True, but nothing compares to that precise timing of breaking roots + zooming across the arena, hopping like a bunny.

It feels really good for example when using spirit walk with ghost wolf, can cover a lot of ground fast

I assume using darkflight with cat/travel form feels the same

[green wharf]

its great for war cause it looks awesome in plate

[sharp meteor]

i love mine

glad racial finally got lil buff

[green wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1218465410249134130.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=catnod

looks awesome

[frosty flower]

wheres teh big ass 2h though

[green wharf]

Kennie is prot andy

prot only

[frosty flower]

gross

shield must be tiny how you gonna block anything

[green wharf]

with your shoulder, obviously

[frosty flower]

just trying to imagine illidans shield as a shoulder

[spice hornet]

Where’s Kennies squire at

[sharp meteor]

Shield dog.

[urban skiff]

no lie, that's a banger of a name for a worgen prot

[tight rain]

As a colossus enjoyer I wonder how people will cry tomorrow on forums with the rend buff besides execute nerf

[sharp meteor]

ye curious to see colo bleeds

[spice hornet]

Kennie on those degen hours?

[green wharf]

its just 15% bro, not 51%

[sharp meteor]

I wanted to get a few shuffles in.

Er, blitz.

[green wharf]

40m q as prot

[sharp meteor]

Queues are like 5-10 minutes if people are on but they aren't on until lateish.

My shuffle queues have been pretty short.

[green wharf]

shuffle i assume is, i was thinking on blitz

[sharp meteor]

You have no idea how thrilled I am to go positive in a match that contains a Balance Druid.

Nah, blitz is super fast when games are happening.

[green wharf]

it took me ages to get 1.8k as prot, with a pretty good w/l ratio

[spice hornet]

Does balance own prot

[green wharf]

it just took 40m

[sharp meteor]

Balance mage caster warlock and dragon just

ruin everything

[spice hornet]

Hahaha

[sharp meteor]

my day my life my cr

[green wharf]

warlock?

[sharp meteor]

non demo lock ya

[green wharf]

how so? i though we own then

[sharp meteor]

how u figure

prot tryna keep team alive

hard to do vs aff

destro kind of depends

idk all of those specs hinge heavily on what the rest of the lobby is and if theyr'e threatened

some of my best were like aff/balance/frost just cos nobody knew what was goin on

almost all tank specs want matches to play like a trash pack with people stacking/clumping

isolated and/or lots of movement = bad

[spice hornet]

Which tank spec is the worst in shuffy?

[green wharf]

i can see that

most of the fun i had in blitz was some clusterfucks where i could cleave with tclap

[sharp meteor]

not sure might try bear/brew next

worst probs veng or bear

[sharp meteor]

ya prot strength is brawling in the deathball

prot has least ability to deal with "tank job" stuff like sitting a base

[fickle forge]

Prot pala cause you know you're about to be win traded then

[spice hornet]

Lmao

Blizz just lets those prot players win trade blatantly and get away with it?

[green wharf]

you have to love when you kill rogues and druids stealth

or snatch a kill on someone with shadowmeld

almost made me want to play again

[sharp meteor]

think so i never rly followed up with them cos i dont play pala

psure the third bdk who got title in blitz last seas was rmting some guy to q with him tho

unsure if wintrading

[spice hornet]

Tank players can’t be trusted

Except kennie

[sharp meteor]

🦊 ❤️

procrastinated qing then remembered how fast shuff was

and blitz faster too now so thats nice

[fickle forge]

It's literally always 1 prot pala who's 2.6k and the other is like 1.8k

1 randomly "dc" mid-match all the time

[sharp meteor]

ya id follow their histories and

they'd go 6-0 all the time for no cr

cos nobody plays prot pala

had one game where it was one guy vs himself on same bnet

its like ya ok man

[spice hornet]

lmfao

Sad

[sharp meteor]

saw a mw doin it in blitz last seas too

wondering why guy on other team just chillin

same honor level

same achis

on both teams

[spice hornet]

Saw that coming a mile away honestly when they switched prot pals to their own lobbies

[sharp meteor]

ya so

[fickle forge]

It's pretty vile

[sharp meteor]

back in sl tanks replaced healers

which people hated

[fickle forge]

But that's life around the title cutoffs

[sharp meteor]

but they forgot prot pala bracket

[fickle forge]

People just cheat for them

[sharp meteor]

ya

[spice hornet]

[sharp meteor]

its like

most of the people who do sketchy stuff gon get it anyways

so somebody inting a game for a friend to push them into range is like eh w/e

they dont wanna chance it

i probs dont catch as much of it as i should as i just stare at my 2 specs ladders

[fickle forge]

It's always giga obvious as well

[spice hornet]

I thought it was intentional for prot paladin to be healers. Thought I remember them giving a reason something about how prot paladins have heals/tools

[fickle forge]

People randomly disappearing from the ladder for like a week and come back with a fat cr increase

[spice hornet]

When they made the change for the other tanks

[fickle forge]

Was growing cr in the basement

[sharp meteor]

well yes

so as i said tanks replaced healers

but theyre like whoops prot pala heals enough to be a real healer

and owns all the other tanks

sans cocain bear

so they got their own mirror ladder

then they removed tanks replacing healers BUT not the prot ladder

so now u get healerless games up until almost title range

[wheat jay]

the good'ol glad push with hidden api, offstream

i know some people that did that

some even from here

[sharp meteor]

i know somebody who showed offline disabled data and dedleted the char they pushed on

people on moonguard are beyond schizo

[fickle forge]

Ye they always delete them as well

[wheat jay]

xD

[fickle forge]

Delete and name change

[spice hornet]

Wow players just be sketchy asf

[fickle forge]

Restore later

[sharp meteor]

why even restore nothin on that char

i think i deleted the aug i got s2 glad on right after getting it

oh wait i restored to level cos i wanted another max level

[wheat jay]

they do all they can to avoid rising suspicions of buying glad

[sharp meteor]

i mean its obvious if u look for a sec or talk ot them

[wheat jay]

real

[sharp meteor]

having everything hidden is like

[fickle forge]

I mean ye, but it's always obvious

[sharp meteor]

u know this doesnt fool

people who play

[wheat jay]

i once talked about it in some streamer's chat, and some people started sending names, I was like, "oh so its not just me who figured it out, everyone knows that guy is a boosted ape" XD

[sharp meteor]

somebody payin for a boost is w/e honestly its just

so weird to me to go to such lengths to try to lie

pve players also lie about their guilds or logs or exp

its like dawg i can check in 30 seconds

[wheat jay]

real lol

[fickle forge]

Gotta farm epeen

[spice hornet]

Kennie qd aug? And that season too?

[wheat jay]

like, logs don't die, nor lie

[fickle forge]

Need the fellow neckbeards to praise you like a god

[sharp meteor]

idc about exp if its top 10 world guild or never raided or keyed

but lyin is just

weird

about shit that dont matter

[sharp meteor]

yuh

[wheat jay]

if you apply to a guild, they will check your logs from 3 expansions back xD

and make it content with guildies on voice

[sharp meteor]

fumbled crimson so im like ya lets change this up

pushed 10 tanks in shuff

[green wharf]

[sharp meteor]

played dragon in 3s

[spice hornet]

Kennthyr?

[wheat jay]

do you have any slightest idea who that might be?

[sharp meteor]

Kennistrasz i think

[wheat jay]

its pretty easy to guess if you've been for long

[sharp meteor]

(red draggy)

[spice hornet]

[green wharf]

i have two guesses

[sharp meteor]

i was gonna do one of each flight

[fickle forge]

It was me guys

[sharp meteor]

kennigos was gonna be blue/dev

[wheat jay]

both are probably correct

[sharp meteor]

kennistrasz is red

[green wharf]

one of then dont have hair

[sharp meteor]

kennidormu ofc bronze

[wheat jay]

true, I boosted kargish to his glad, after he failed in shadowlands s1

[sharp meteor]

at which point im like why am i making all these dragons and went back to warr

[spice hornet]

[fickle forge]

We're probably fumbling this season glad as well cause our healer just got banned

[sharp meteor]

now its just warr and dk as god intended

[fickle forge]

[sharp meteor]

oh noes

[wheat jay]

kennie looked in the mirror and went "where my muscles going?"

and he rolled back to warr

[wheat jay]

again?

[sharp meteor]

i might fumble glad cos it looks rancid and 3s are unfun

[wheat jay]

bro he needs to minimize his ingame chat

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-prayge-gif-24836248

[fickle forge]

We were gearing my 2nd warr in 2s for you brother

[wheat jay]

cap

[sharp meteor]

shitpick tank in shuff at 2k unironically kind of a vibe

[wheat jay]

i never heard about that

[fickle forge]

And James doesn't take kindly to people emoting on a green geared freshie

[wheat jay]

xD wtf

[spice hornet]

It’ll be free don’t worry. We were 2.4K mmr like in March

[sharp meteor]

ya inflation probs there or will be soonish

[fickle forge]

Ye there's this dumb af 2s Hpala build where it does like 500k dps

[sharp meteor]

been needin to chip away at solo brackies

behind on blitz bigly

[wheat jay]

oh so i dont want to play, noted

[fickle forge]

Play it with MM or sub and it's basically just double dps with heals

[fickle forge]

It's only a 2s thing

[wheat jay]

any time hpala is meta i unsub or switch to pve

[fickle forge]

Denounce players

[wheat jay]

is monk/warr even good?

cuz you know im playing shadopan lmao

[fickle forge]

What the specs?

2nd and 3rd best melees in the game

[wheat jay]

nice

[fickle forge]

Idc man, go nuts

[wheat jay]

100-0 fof

[fickle forge]

I'm on my 25th warr anyway

[wheat jay]

lmao

if next month goes well, i might actually resub

[fickle forge]

Gonna start taking payments from you so I can go spend the gold on lap dances in Goldshire

[wheat jay]

huh

how are you going to take payments when its me boosting your ass

???

make it make sense

[fickle forge]

Okay shado pan player

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-tyson-gif-13018578810667382308

thats shadopan

chad monk

[fickle forge]

Shadopan and colossus

We need a new comp name

KFChads is no longer applicable

[wheat jay]

Chads is good enough

[fickle forge]

We can do better

[wheat jay]

do better then xd

[fickle forge]

Doing it all as per usual

[green wharf]

the losers

[copper fox]

Just play ret warr

[lavish quest]

Well you still got all the ranged above the melee of course

[wheat jay]

Ah yes, the super fun ranged specs

Oof

[lavish quest]

Well sure ya gotta be a loser to play em.

[north thicket]

Aren't ranged more fun nowadays? Obv it's subjective but it's an honest noob question, I haven't touched any ranged but contemplating Ele/Resto

You simply get to play your character more as a Mage/MM/BM and Balance droods are again out of control in bgs at least

[lavish quest]

I mean... probably from the angle of the game tailors to them more and more

[north thicket]

Indeed, I would agree with this^

[green wharf]

i cant get any fun with ranged in arenas, unless its an all ranged lobby

unles BM

in blitz is fun

[bleak locust]

has anyone tried twisted appendage head enchant for arena/pvp yet?

gushing wound seems almost pointless

[fierce elm]

Put on void ritual

and forget about it

[bleak locust]

is it far and away the best?

[fierce elm]

sure

it wont matter either way

[fickle forge]

They're far and away all weak af and pointless

[bleak locust]

i just tested twilight dev in a dual and it doesn't show up in my combat log or details

[fierce elm]

its ass

[bleak locust]

but ya, just testing for myself

[fierce elm]

This is the type of stuff ya dont need to think about

[bleak locust]

ok lmao ty

[tight rain]

Dmg wise doesn't really matter, gushing wounds may help break stealth

[rancid granite]

void ritual op extra stats set it and forget it

are they ranking up each week in visions?

like is a 2nd tier version coming today?

[languid whale]

guys can you give me some insights about what are the best comps for fury or arm warrior.
We play war/Rdruid and the third is open.
I know there is thunder and ret. What else ?

[fierce elm]

Mage, Enhance, Feral

Generally Ret/Warr, Thunder and Warr/Mage are the best comps

[fierce elm]

no

We need another quest to get greaters

idk if that is this reset of the next reset

[worldly oriole]

smh

[fierce elm]

it should theoretically double void ritual bonus stats

[supple wagon]

@sharp meteor hey is mastery good for prot war pvp or its better to stack as much haste as possible ?

[pseudo herald]

are we playing gushing wound head enchant just to keep ppl blleding and infight?

[fierce elm]

no

Its played because its one of the two that aren't completely useless

With that, it means its still gonna be terrible

but not completely useless

[pseudo herald]

my head is 684 from pve and there i use void, still viable?

[fierce elm]

The corruptions don't matter

so yes

You can be corruption less and I doubt you will even notice it lmao

[pseudo herald]

does it even prcc non reduced in pvp?

[fierce elm]

it is reduced in PvP

[pseudo herald]

ah

[fierce elm]

and its already pretty useless in PvE

So its omega-useless in PvP

[pseudo herald]

well 1% thats not even 1% . kappa

[sharp meteor]

uh thats mostly a me thing i think

where im like ok i got so much haste and vers isnt much dmg and i got a ton

so i go like 40/40/20 split or something

[worldly oriole]

Thunderclap fury bis after reset??

[sharp meteor]

who knows maybe rend buff execute nerf makes people try colo and its giga

prayging rend applies to prot

[pseudo herald]

can u link prot build and explain the theorie behind it? or will i insta find it at murlok

[copper fox]

lol

[rancid granite]

what in the dick is that profile Pic

[sharp meteor]

I change talents constantly so

We operate based on vibes

[pseudo herald]

u like my shaman dick?

[sharp meteor]

wonder if i q shuff again or greed

[copper fox]

Q

Wait what rank rn

[sharp meteor]

highest world

at 2300

[rancid granite]

it is mighty and mystical

[sharp meteor]

2400 mmr so can afford to have a feed lobb

[copper fox]

Yea fuck it

You’re miles ahead lol

Pretty sure you’re safe r1 there too lol apparently no one else has the prot tech

[urban skiff]

push a 2nd prot and be your cabal

[verbal tangle]

Kennie would probably be like 3k on other specs, he has to be kept in check

[sharp meteor]

ya i was like 4 of the top 5 at one point in df

then dialed it back to just 2 chars usually

[haughty jewel]

wait do you only play prot kennie

[sharp meteor]

nah just when i can

[rancid granite]

4 prot wars??!

[sharp meteor]

shuffle sort of encourages alts

[rancid granite]

I'm envious of your determination lol

[sharp meteor]

i mean in the sense that you plateau and mid-late seas alts are faster to setup

[pseudo herald]

pls someone q prot games, cba 20 min queues

[sharp meteor]

u playin pala or what

[pseudo herald]

prot W

[sharp meteor]

only way you see other tanks is pala

[pseudo herald]

so i get a normi dps spot?

[sharp meteor]

and ya queues mixed bag had a lot of 5 mins and a lot of 25 mins

ye

[copper fox]

Unless blitz yea

[pseudo herald]

aight

[sharp meteor]

ya blitz pairs you vs another tank always

[copper fox]

Highest prot pally is 2.4 in blitz that’s actually wild

So low

[sharp meteor]

ye was low last seas too

oddly uncontested

[worldly oriole]

make vengeance great again

[languid whale]

Thank you

[sharp meteor]

can honestly throw a few things in there

[copper fox]

I feel like prot pally role is so simple too… idk. On node maps you sit. On team fight maps you’re almost a third healer too

[sharp meteor]

mage ele ret are the obvious though

[sharp meteor]

just kind of unexplored

i think the base stuff with glare rep and hoj rly nice

[copper fox]

Yea simple base caps

[fierce elm]

DH is also a curveball tbh

or even WW

WW/Arms and dh/arms shitstomps below 2.1 probs

[urban skiff]

when the heck did i get this bad at feral?

[green wharf]

thats just normal blitz

you get either get luck in the first matches or is a bore to climb after losing streaks

[urban skiff]

It's wild, is what it is

[fierce elm]

lmao yeah

My ret has like a 50% winrate in SS despite going 5-1 every round lately

beause I started queueing withno gear at 2.4k mmr

[urban skiff]

I think my mistake is queueing too early in seasons

Like I get wrecked by the randos who do that stuff too

[fierce elm]

Naa its when its the most fun

[urban skiff]

I agree

[fierce elm]

Early season queueing is the most fun out of everything

you never know what you are gonna face

[urban skiff]

but also my first shaman climb was horrendous, remember 350ish rounds for 1800?

[fierce elm]

Getting rating is hard

[urban skiff]

2nd time around I would have gotten it in 6-7 queues if I hadn't had so many leavers

but we're also beating our 2v2 record from last season despite playing disc/enh now over disc/feral very late season

so maybe I just got gut and my mistake was trying to play the stupid lash build at the start of s2

[fierce elm]

Because you are better at enhance than feral

Its pretty simple

[urban skiff]

I'm a natural at feral

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

literally played it since vanilla as my main

[sharp meteor]

u cant play feral

[fierce elm]

Yeah I aint saying nothing about that

[sharp meteor]

we've been over this

[fierce elm]

But you are better at Enhance

[urban skiff]

I'll take that win

[fierce elm]

I have played Warr since MoP but objectively I am better at Ret lmao

[urban skiff]

still, if we get bored with enh disc we'll retry feral disc and see how much easier this season will be

I feel like I've grown a lot in pvp in general in S1 and more so in S2

sort of adjacent, what's the counter to rogue+mage?

[green wharf]

i play war since wrath, but i was better at dk last season

breezed to 2.1k and stopped

[sharp meteor]

retwarr is having a response for their cross on both of you then burst on one of you

er roguemage

and playing offensively while on dr

[fierce elm]

Good comms

[sharp meteor]

me me mememememe

me next i save mememe

comms vs rm

[fierce elm]

Literally

[urban skiff]

we have good coms but we struggle with what to say

[green wharf]

people in the awc played ele+ww

[sharp meteor]

mememem dont press mememe i save is ave is aveiarsas

[fierce elm]

We are facing r1 RMPs right now and we take the wins if we can survive goes

[sharp meteor]

as little as possible

swap rdruid

i wall

i fear next

[fierce elm]

Yeah just call out what we have

[sharp meteor]

ideally u call out

a few secs ahead of time

[green wharf]

or DH to counter the rogue

[sharp meteor]

like if ur all gonna get stunned into burst

i fear next i fear next

so team dont use

[fierce elm]

”I am gonna trinket parry bomb” as warrior for example

[sharp meteor]

ya feels

[fierce elm]

yeah

Its all about rotating

[urban skiff]

I mean we're right next to each other, so there's some room for more coms that don't distract

[sharp meteor]

caling what ur doing when u do it

is worse

[fierce elm]

and doing it while dealing damage*

[sharp meteor]

no cross i barrier bomb i barrier bomb

idk just sort of like

[urban skiff]

but the actual bit of what to do vs mage/rogue is the struggle. Best we can do is 50% winrate but who trinkets first and stuff

[sharp meteor]

avoid overlaps

[fierce elm]

You are probs overlapping

or running out of things

Its honestly the most SIMPLE matchup for warrior

[urban skiff]

def. are, but we don't have a plan so we both going to react instead of act

[fierce elm]

straight up lmao

[sharp meteor]

okay so it'll be like sap on healer or blind>sap or db>sheep and you get stunned and they burst so

whats the answer

usually dps trinket

[fierce elm]

Yeah

Healer trinket is the most valuable

[sharp meteor]

into either defensive (wall) or cc (fear) in the case of warr

like enh its gonna be trinket burrow or trinket wall or trinket ground

or some combo ya feels

[fierce elm]

We usually go Ret - Warr - Healer in trinket rotation

[sharp meteor]

depending on what they press

ur issue as enh is

they just poly you twice on ur trinket

and walk away

until they can stun u again

[urban skiff]

Yep

[sharp meteor]

cant rly pressure between goes

cos ur not ele

or hunter

etc

[urban skiff]

I identified my most important goal as stopping them from resetting clean

[sharp meteor]

you need to hit something and mage only dies with reliable dmg and purges although ig u have that

well they are gonna get that second and third go

which gonna sting if u havent figured cds

[urban skiff]

Have some success by using earth elemental like 5-15 seconds after mage goes invis, and then camping in dog form with heal totem up

[urban skiff]

they're very focused on stopping md when i get the super early iceblock

[fierce elm]

thats all you do as Enhance

You stop Mage damage

and re-polys

[urban skiff]

we definitely have the tools but lack execution and plan to execute

[sharp meteor]

u dont have the tools

enh gets trashed in 2s

[fierce elm]

Oh yeah I forgot this is RM

not RMP lmao

But the principle is the same

Rotate, kill

[sharp meteor]

ur enh in 2s vs rm u get owned perma

[fierce elm]

also that it sort of sucks

[sharp meteor]

its a matchup u lose insta if u play bad and lose most of the time if u play well

[fierce elm]

Enhance has what, knock to deal with rogue that doesnt require a trinket+huge CD

and lasso I guess

[sharp meteor]

if the rogue for some reason sits there and lets u box then u can sometimes kill

but in general they just walk away

[fierce elm]

@copper fox I shoulda mentally hyped myself up for bench

and I might have gotten 170 for at minimum a double, probs a triple

But I went in with the mindset of doing volume work lmfao

[urban skiff]

that's what the earth ele helps with

rogue can't get back in stealth with it on him

idk if it matters or anything

but we beat these guys, who looked like they knew what they were doing

I'd say it was luck, but we faced them two more times and had one of them under 400k each time

[sharp meteor]

so again what happens is u both get crossed

[urban skiff]

they still won

[sharp meteor]

which is like avoidable to a degree but

they WILL get their cross

and their go

[urban skiff]

Yea we definitely mess up our play

[sharp meteor]

and you will need to have buttons planned

[sharp meteor]

ya thats good

[urban skiff]

but just saying, we're doing pretty ok into pretty ok players. So the potential to deal with them is there

staying in doggo form with ele out is 30% damage reduction for a minute, with +15% hp

My hope is to literally tank their first go and skip trinkets

since they're absolutely holding cooldowns for the trinket

[sharp meteor]

dog gets purged and u get snapped in half

[urban skiff]

at least that's what I'd expect them to do

can't purge doggo

[sharp meteor]

and nah rm just sends

so every 30ish they just cc both and burst one

they use their offensives like you use defensives

which is they dont overlap

so they have lethal every 30

roughly

[urban skiff]

yep, 3x stuns = they take no damage

[sharp meteor]

btw if ur not on poly dr going into go and they dont setup wth cheap on healer they can swap go on your trinket which is fun

like db>poly healer cheap you and you trinket

they can just recheap poly you

cheap healer and throw bust into them

or w/e button

[urban skiff]

yea

[sharp meteor]

idk rm and the legion of rdruid + fotm ms dps just like

uphill battle for enh

[urban skiff]

or definitely

but I like those

[sharp meteor]

qing into enh in 2s is actually just punching down on somebody

[urban skiff]

it's why i play dark souls and elden ring without levelling

[sharp meteor]

its like hey lil bro nice lack of ms nice lack of mobility dawg ur just dead and ur healer hates you

[urban skiff]

yea but my healer can't leave

babytrapping healer is the new meta in 2025

[sharp meteor]

ya family op

gotta spawn a kid to farm mounts now

[urban skiff]

big one is ready to crate farm

[sharp meteor]

yo wanna go to college get my aff lock setup

[urban skiff]

That's a good one

I feel like if I can figure out how they stop the MD before my ascendance ends, we can win

[elfin surge]

enh mw prob lowkey insane

but no good enh actually push 2s

I bet if saul and feed qd they would see top 5 lad

[sharp meteor]

Mw dmg in 2s ehrhehe

[elfin surge]

its disgusting

mw does the damage of a dps and buffs their dps's damage

[warm plinth]

👀

[elfin surge]

I swear mw is the best healer in 2s but nobody plays it for some reason

[sharp meteor]

Ya 2s deadge

4fun edater brack

[elfin surge]

blitz is the edater bracket wym

[sharp meteor]

Until hello kitty girl clone gets kidnapped once

[urban skiff]

i want to play mw but like a dps build

[sharp meteor]

Kittibunsxo is coming with me

[urban skiff]

now i'm intrigued... i figure if I played with DR / cooldown trackers or just tracked enemy defensive durations I'd have such a better time

or if i played with intent instead of entirely on feel

[sharp meteor]

Ya those op

U know exactly when rm gonna go

[urban skiff]

I'm surprisingly ok at knowing when stuff happens despite not tracking any of that stuff

all those years playing feral, i know when ti pre-bear a go

[sharp meteor]

Ya my brain works around bolt cd

[elfin surge]

wym pre bear the go

ferals run around in bear all game

[urban skiff]

enh doggo

oh yea I go doggo form too all the time

it's fast, it's funny

[elfin surge]

oh shit pre bear the go (was in bear for the last 15 seconds top damage still)

[sharp meteor]

Is Saul mop main

Is turb viable ywt

[urban skiff]

I hope not, I'm running out of enh players to watch

[elfin surge]

i was told cleaves arent good in mop

[urban skiff]

can't find a single guide on how to play my dumbass build

[sharp meteor]

I mean on licve

[elfin surge]

oh

turbo is decent i think

chal vices and saul were 2800mmr at one point

might only be viable if triple goats

[urban skiff]

triple goats?

[fickle forge]

I heard at one point that KFC was pretty much unbeatable in MoP

[elfin surge]

ye so not you

[elfin surge]

ye ive already been asked to q it

LOL

[green wharf]

wow

rude

[urban skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-out-line-but-right-gif-22029772

[elfin surge]

not rude its pvp in text

[green wharf]

never meet your heroes

[urban skiff]

So to keep it simple vs mage/rogue.

Coordinate trinkets
keep pushing while earth ele is playing tag with the rogue
stop them from stopping MD (somehow)

coordinate dispels/root/snarebreaks when the mage stops me from chasing the rogue

[green wharf]

or play another class

[graceful moon]

people really have been shooting themselves in the feet for no reason

lowering the prices to sell faster

[green wharf]

i do that with all my shit

[fickle forge]

Whoops

[lavish quest]

WTB "This" reaction

[worldly oriole]

mop classic will revive world of warcraft and bring about a new age of pc gaming

[graceful moon]

are you inbreds ready for tomorrow's -15%?

[worldly oriole]

it's today haha

thunderclap fury

[urban skiff]

No, this nerf to my Counterstrike totem is completely unfair and unwarranted

[lavish quest]

That happened today inbred

[graceful moon]

on eu aint

[lavish quest]

Eu?
More like geyu

Gottem

[graceful moon]

true

[fickle forge]

It's not needed no

They should buff it instead

[graceful moon]

how are the devs so out of touch

[fickle forge]

My green gear warrior hitting for 4.2M on another warr

Buff warr

[graceful moon]

very weak class

[sharp meteor]

beans

[sharp meteor]

price naturally gonna trend downwards

surprised it stayed this high as long as it did tbh

[worldly oriole]

fire mage big now?

[fierce elm]

no

actually

maybe

[lavish quest]

It's mage. So of course

[green wharf]

its today in the civilized world

right now actually

[graceful moon]

[copper fox]

Colo with bleeds is the move in bgb moving forward

Just sayin

[rancid granite]

@urban skiff

[graceful moon]

XDDDDDDDDDDD

who tf would have thought that classes with insane mobility and 0 downtime and high dmg pressure would be meta

oh wait that's wow pvp for the last 4 years

[urban skiff]

Raptored

[urban skiff]

Literally worst shuffle spec now, for solo climbers lol

[rancid granite]

rofl

😭

[urban skiff]

That's literally enh too though. You missed the ms effect

[urban skiff]

first match lol

dun did it

@sharp meteor We beat rogue/mage on purpose

[sharp meteor]

lets goooo

[urban skiff]

uh ok

[spice hornet]

Occasionally get spriest healer in 2s vs my warr

It’s the best

With rsham healer in particular I’d 🥜

Foaming at the mouth to W key that priest

[urban skiff]

wife new PR

I'm so proud of my little undisciplined gremlin

[spice hornet]

Does she rage

[urban skiff]

More like seethe

[spice hornet]

Like crash out with bad words and stuff if you guys lose

Or fight some broken 2s comp

[urban skiff]

what's even broken?

we farm warriors if they don't have a competent hpriest

[spice hornet]

Hunter healer

Feral healer

[urban skiff]

yea those are fun

[spice hornet]

Warr healer should be smashing your face in

They must be cooke

[urban skiff]

not at all crash out

You say that, but the ones we face have multiple gladiator titles

and I have exactly two rival2 and everything else is below

[spice hornet]

Hmmmmmmm

[urban skiff]

just first page of games

[spice hornet]

Those warr healers shouldn’t losing lol

You’re a free win

[urban skiff]

the rogue/mage are mglads where the mage has a r1 title from tww s1

[urban skiff]

guess I'm just too slippery

some of them do win

but generally it comes down to me zoning out if the game takes too long

or occasionally warriors just completely wrecking my healer after they give up on me

This the druid from the feral/hpal near the top

we beat this guy with a warrior

Maybe not as free kill as people assume, can't explain why not though @spice hornet

[lavish quest]

What, are you a hunter?

[urban skiff]

I'm just dyslickski

[full quiver]

is war unplayable now

[sharp meteor]

ya execute only hits 6m ggs

[full quiver]

F

[lavish quest]

My war never hit 6m execute unless you talking prot in M+

That does happen sometimes

[worldly oriole]

seen people with the motorcycle

[spice hornet]

1x glad

Shadowlands s2 gladiator was the equivalent of rival

We carried our irl buddy who never pvpd in his life to gladiator

0 pvp achievements only had s2 gladiator

[urban skiff]

I mean I didn't even get it

[spice hornet]

He’d bubble the opener and waste his cooldowns

[sharp meteor]

ya people who didnt play dont know

2400 3s in unchained was like

top 10000

id play an alt for an elite set and finish 2200-2500 mmr at 1800 cr

or rather for duelist upgrades idr

just infinity rating

[worldly oriole]

mountain thane is owning rn in the shuffle

[urban skiff]

I pretty much only did RatedBGs in shadowlands and was sort of tired of it before going anywhere in s2

[copper fox]

lol

[spice hornet]

Thane is a meme

[dense herald]

is arms or fury better

rn

[sharp meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-there-is-another-star-wars-jedi-gif-5140031

[copper fox]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/shield-bash-wotmud-knight-funny-gif-25223058

[sharp meteor]

Me to the fury/arms in my lobbies

[worldly oriole]

lets go guys

visions are out again

rofl

[teal forge]

Its me or they just over nerfed execute?

[fierce elm]

maybe we can get a bigger sample data brother

[sharp meteor]

servers been up a few hours wheres my skill capped tier list

i gotta know if warr still viable or if i gotta boost a dk

[copper fox]

I mean you can plug the numbers into a calculator to know exactly how much we lost off of it.
I do think it’s a big number in game but it was rightfully nerfed. The class is too easy to play to have a button that just hits for 3-6 million and can proc multiple times in a row

The nerf was needed

[teal forge]

got it, but did a rss 2k mmr, max dmg that i got was 2.4m

far away from 3~6 m

[sharp meteor]

fit the gambling theme of the patch

slot machining nerds owns

[lavish quest]

Mage

[teal forge]

https://i.vgy.me/6jVeXt.jpg

[sharp meteor]

golpe mortal

[teal forge]

yeah, its in portuguese xD

[sharp meteor]

choked on my food

and dang 2 million hits its so over

[teal forge]

And most of the damage I did was to an SP, like, in the four rounds he was on the other team, I focused 95% on him.

[waxen estuary]

think mountain thane fury will be any good for pvp?

[teal forge]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Nemesis/Vynd

my char

but hey, as i said before, it could be me, because before the nerf the most i did was like 3.5~4m max. i don't record these things, i let it go, it could be my mind playing tricks, but i'm pretty sure of it, 3~4m max, nothing above that.

My gear is all purple, versa>haste>mastery.

[fierce elm]

2.5 million non crit btw

2 . 5 m i l l i o n n o n c r i t b t w

Average 1.4 million is wild lmao

[copper fox]

Those numbers don’t reflect 15% lol wtf

[fierce elm]

yeah idk man

thats still some pretty good damage

Add fatality and thats still 3.3 million lmfao

[copper fox]

Yea like I said it’s fine and was needed but I don’t understand math apparently

I haven’t tested it myself yet

Though

Yea exactly

[fierce elm]

also

2.5m

NON CRIT

[copper fox]

Right

[rancid granite]

thats a lot of non-colossus talk

[copper fox]

2.5 min crit is a good number lol

[fierce elm]

The 1.42m average across 31 executes is absolutely fucking wild

Rend doing 3% though

HUGE BUFF guys

Absolutely HUGE

15% REND DAMAGE

[copper fox]

Lmao

[warm plinth]

I remember why I stopped pvping

[fierce elm]

It will totally make colo great again!

[copper fox]

To be fair this guys rend uptime might be dog

We don’t know

[fierce elm]

To be fair rend fucking sucks

[copper fox]

To be fair fury is the master race

[fierce elm]

if it blew chunks before it blows 15% less chunks now lmao

[fierce elm]

yeah master of the D-tier

gottem

Also did you see supas tier list

lmfao

[copper fox]

AYO TF

no I didn’t

[fierce elm]

Kargish sent me this and I got legitimately angry

[copper fox]

This guy went from being okay at the game a long time ago to being an absolute moron

[fierce elm]

Like what the fuck is this

[copper fox]

wtf is this list

[fierce elm]

It has more faults than rights

It was a prediction list for today

lmfao

He really thought that would take FROST DK from D-tier to S-tier

He also thinks demo is B-tier

but man this is a crazy list

[copper fox]

He’s so fried

He plays ss 24/7 his brain is rot

[fierce elm]

lmfao

He is a good commentator but man

his takes are FRIEd

[rancid granite]

even on the fried takes enh is at the bottom

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[copper fox]

[spice hornet]

Is this a BG TIER LIST or something?

[fierce elm]

SS I assume

[worldly oriole]

hell ya bro time to que frost walking dead

best played with the s tier healers

[frank knoll]

Holy priest S tier ??

[fierce elm]

I mean its probably tied for 2nd best healer

but who knows

if SS its probably above rdruid t b h

[frank knoll]

H pal should be higher than A also if it’s for SS

MW also

[fierce elm]

Hpal, Hpriest/Rdruid, MW, Rsham, Pres is my idea

[frank knoll]

Pres is ass cheeks in PvP and PvE lol

It’s only good in Blitz I think

[fierce elm]

hence the last place

[frank knoll]

Gonna go full haste Thane

[worldly oriole]

full haste thane put that on my grindr and my tinder profile

[copper fox]

I liked Tony better when he was trying less

[full quiver]

Its an iq tier list un assuming

[rancid granite]

MW by far the hardest class to play

[green wharf]

how the max CRITIC hit is LOWER than the normal max hit?

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[pastel swan]

What’s the move, boys? Or do we need our smart EU counterparts to tell us wat to play

Tomorrow

[full raft]

odyn's fury still doing 0 dam

oof

[graceful moon]

reroll to dh

[pastel swan]

What’s the build?

what do I drop for rend or do I not play it

[urban skiff]

SMF THANE

[pastel swan]

Bro are you trolling me lmao

[sharp meteor]

Yuh.

[urban skiff]

The true SMF THANE build

[pastel swan]

😂

[urban skiff]

fresh from reddit, pixels optional

[green wharf]

lil pp rant

[fickle forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286448476670005341/1313197659217199214/Screenshot_20241202_170045_Reddit.jpg?ex=6837f2df&is=6836a15f&hm=d281ebb36b9a2038dfe09fa1e1df088bb585eae1408855f0828012a2b5ee40f6&

[urban skiff]

lmao

He's such a great villain

Literal chills when watching that show or when I read the comics

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/waterworld-gif-25634338

[green wharf]

this is unsettling as fuck

[fickle forge]

@boreal veldt Colossus enthusiast, jump on and see how Rend does now

[fierce elm]

its gonna suck

[cosmic field]

15% less

Bleed just seems like pad damage for warrior tbh and it’s not even much

[green wharf]

fuck rend, thats what i say

[lavish quest]

Warrior deadge

[north thicket]

Just how bad is the situation? :))) People asked for an Execute nerf, Blizzard delivered immediately

But hey at least we get an amazing Whirlwind buff and a tiny Rend buff, enough to confuse you and press the button as Slayer

[green wharf]

it took two whole weeks, it wasnt immediately

[north thicket]

So in these 2 weeks where Execute was super 'overpowered' Warriors didn't even make it in AWC Finals or w/e

[fierce elm]

Ah

[frank knoll]

Mage is still broken btw

[north thicket]

Think I noticed Blizo somewhere and that's it

[fierce elm]

the normal confusion where we talk about AWC

and how warriors aren't in it

realizing that 99.99999repeating% aren't AWC players lmao

and on the normal ladder and in SS Arms warrior was absolutely obnoxious

where execute was regularly hitting for 4m+

counting in Fatality in that

[frank knoll]

Most players best hope is to be above average in RSS, you can do that easily on either warrior spec

[fierce elm]

even without that it was consistently hitting for 3.2m+

Now, some copers are gonna be like "Arms was fine"

which is absolutely not true

thats the other argument and it has no basis

because "We are forced to stand still" but when we do connect we one-shot lmfao

[fierce elm]

Warrior was in the gauntlet

but in a competitive environment RMP tends to always be dominant due to the tools they have

but again, that isn't representative of ladder

[north thicket]

I hear what you are saying

But there are lots of obnoxious classes / spec / abilities in PvP rn

[fierce elm]

Yeah

and Arms was at the top of that ladder for 2 weeks lmao

Arms was already pretty fucking good even before the execute buff

[north thicket]

You mean the buff that was combined with the nerf to Marked for Execution or w/e was the Slayer Hero talent

[fierce elm]

We are still keeping 3 million Overpowers, MS, Execute still hits hard

Yes

[north thicket]

So now we this talent is pretty lame, isn't it

[fierce elm]

Execute is still hitting like a dump truck

[north thicket]

Not to mention Death Drive

[fierce elm]

They clearly want to shift away from Slayer as both arms and fury

[north thicket]

The amazing healing from it

[fierce elm]

But yeah, anyone saying that the arms nerf wasn't needed is just coping out of their mind

and I am someone who suffers from it

[north thicket]

It might have been needed

But it was fair to get something meaningful in return

Not a Whirlwind buff

Jesus

[fierce elm]

sometimes you don't get anything in return

we did get rend buffs kek

[north thicket]

I am not even sure I want to play Colossus with the shitty Demolish

Already did a lot of it a few months ago when I subbed again

[fierce elm]

I still think slayer is gonna be the meta

but I know some are hoping for colo to be better

[green wharf]

the problem with nerfing execute was buffing fucking rend

instead of deep wounds

[north thicket]

@sharp meteor Kennie, pull some strings in the Blizzard HQ and make these nerds allow for 2h+shield prot gladiator pvp with Bladestorm available

Warrior fixed

[tight rain]

CS, Demolish 10 stacks, Sharpen MS is a consistent 60-70% in the duration of the stun so around every 30 sec you can put someone in execute range alone, Arms is not gonna be bad, but others specs will remain on top

[green wharf]

It's something i plan to give suggestion in the forum later

rework on titan's grip to be a skill for all specs

[fierce elm]

Im gonna hit you with the, I don't think arms should have gotten any buffs : )

[green wharf]

slight rework, but it would allow prot to use 2h in one hand

[green wharf]

now that you got what you want you say that right

[tight rain]

Is a overall nerf but I don't think Colo will be affected by this nerf too much

[fierce elm]

both specs are gonna be affected by this ner

But its not gonna stop anyone from climbing lmao

[tight rain]

I don't understand why slayer is not getting the crit unnerfed since before the execute nerf Arms wasn't top dog

[fierce elm]

uh