pvp

[urban skiff]

not pretty but did it way faster this time @fierce elm

first time this season was a complete dud for some reason

average 3.3m

[fierce elm]

lmao

eight enhance done

[urban skiff]

eight?

[fierce elm]

Idk

I don't keep up anymore

[urban skiff]

only my second this eason

idk if I'm gonna play my third or just keep him as backup to remind you guys what I could bring out if I wanted to punish you

[fierce elm]

You know

if we were on the same MMR I would be scared

[urban skiff]

You have to pass through me to get to the top

[fierce elm]

I don't have a max level character around your mmr

honestly

lmao

unless you are up to like 2k+

maybe my rogue but I think that is also like 2.1k mmr

[lavish quest]

Afro pretending he's good

[fierce elm]

Im merely stating facts

I do hope one day to queue into Zerchers Enhance

[lavish quest]

Zercher just too high for you now. He's at the lofty heights of 1800, you stuck 1600

[fierce elm]

true

he dumpsters me in blitz

[lavish quest]

Whenever you try to kill him, he just healing surges for 11m

GG

[urban skiff]

my mmr is 1905 on this shaman right now

[fierce elm]

might be touching my rogue then idk

but I aint logging that

[urban skiff]

tbh i like rogues

[fierce elm]

Waiting for boxes to come out

[urban skiff]

they're like mages, super easy kills

Someone said they're lifting conq cap with this reset. I can't find any reason why they think that

[fierce elm]

Im just waiting for that

because I cba farming conq on my rogue

[urban skiff]

a

based on timing it's one of the next 3 resets

[fierce elm]

Its just an 1800 and stop character anyways

[urban skiff]

usually it lines up with when conq cap buys a full set of gear, which is 2 resets still

[urban skiff]

that's all my characters tbh

Idk why I'm pushing a tiny bit on my shaman this time around, and last season

[fierce elm]

lmao

because its fun

[urban skiff]

eh

failure isn't fun

[fierce elm]

and rewards

[urban skiff]

and unlike you guys, there's a risk of failure looming way too close to where I am

bad lobby incoming

[urban skiff]

just what I wanted, another lobby where I have to be in charge of a bunch of utility

lost first round because healer decided to push all the way in while we weren't?

huh

[fierce elm]

PULL THE LEVER

[urban skiff]

Going 0-6 it seems

weird-ass lobby where the other dps are competent and one healer isn't

[fierce elm]

naa

6-0

[urban skiff]

6th fight zero wins

it's 3x rot so that's probably the problemn

[green wharf]

3x rot? 3 afflic lock?

[urban skiff]

feral and afflic and spriest

my usual survival tactic is to fall back between bursts but i realized that doesn't at all work vs this

probably one of the worst lobbies for me

[copper fox]

1 billion healing

[urban skiff]

yup

somehow peaked 4m dps and still no kills

oh will

i said it was goiing to be a cursed lobby and wasn't wrong

[fierce elm]

this is gonna be cursed

[urban skiff]

what does it even mean when the avg drops to sub 10

[fierce elm]

Cursed lobbies

bro I have queued into the same holy priest

like 3 days in a row lmao

also not that cursed

[fickle forge]

Demolish pretty goated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1223649170007523500/1371617244764962947/image.png?ex=6824725a&is=682320da&hm=f14dd1ce1bf19efbc2881abd6382a6ee1861c070611bca52a43d3c7c989c0ac4&

[fierce elm]

stop

[fickle forge]

It's a pretty lit button

[fickle forge]

Q into Snowmixy

[urban skiff]

time for me to be the curse

[fickle forge]

This is def cursed

MM or BM?

[urban skiff]

mm

he got fucked up despite me putting mage in iceblock twice AND keeping that monk rooted and slowed

[green wharf]

1/5 and still gets mmr?

[urban skiff]

lost mmr, gained rating

I'm upset about this cursed lobby, i should have won first

that was a very convincing kill

the fuck is going on

oh fuck my mmr got knocked into starter league

healer diff lobby

:/

[fierce elm]

lmao

[green wharf]

sus

[fierce elm]

it was sus

[urban skiff]

finally a melee lobby

[elfin surge]

[lavish quest]

That's our amazon team member

[fierce elm]

slowly chipping away

[lavish quest]

:o

Did that shit in less than 2 weeks last season

The torture

[fierce elm]

I aint stressed lmao

I just do a few here and there

70 won rounds before end of season is very simple

Doing chores while in queue

[lavish quest]

Until you tank 300 CR

[fierce elm]

I mean if you get there once you can easily get back

Inflation will hit hard

Already it has gone from like 50 arms above 2.4 to 130

[worldly oriole]

hell ya

cuz im 2250 on ww and dh

need that inflation

to carry me forward

xD

[fierce elm]

washed up

[worldly oriole]

lol

im like 2100 now

on both

shitty ques

[fierce elm]

Oh yeah totes the queues fault lmao

[worldly oriole]

it deff is

[fierce elm]

not at all your fault

[worldly oriole]

qued into destro rogue on my ww and lost both of those rounds instantly

[fierce elm]

step up tony

[worldly oriole]

😦

im on valorant rn but i forgetting what the heroes do

[copper fox]

You didn’t hit 2200 on dh yet this season

[worldly oriole]

ye i did

2236

[copper fox]

You usually send it here why didn’t you keep pushing

PUSH TONY

[worldly oriole]

i did and i tanked

LMAO

2080 on him rn

[copper fox]

Rip I tanked last night too it’s fine

[worldly oriole]

yeah you only get a tabard anyway so its not even worth rn?

[lavish quest]

Can't hit 2400 until the win traders root for me

Tony too busy getting massive gains to hit 2400

[worldly oriole]

better off doing another activity than spammin solo

like levelin ma sp

[fierce elm]

this is the most pussy take you have done here

Makes sense though, doesn't wanna work hard in the gym or play the hard games in WoW lmao

[worldly oriole]

xD rather que real threes

but my classes are sus

[fierce elm]

you dont queue threes either lmao

you gonna stop when it gets hard

[pastel swan]

Yall never gonna let the poor man live that down

You’ve created a monster. Now he’s gonna shit on everyone’s PRs

[wheat jay]

what classes you play?

[worldly oriole]

ww dh and war

for rn

i have fully geared mage and hunt too

and ele i think

i have like every class 80

lol

for demon hunter i basically gotta que ele

windwalker i think i gotta que with a mage

or ele

[fierce elm]

DH/warr, DH/Boomkin, DH/DK, DH/WW, DH/Ele

WW/WARR, WW/BOOMKIN, WW/ELE, WW/DK

WW/MAGE

but na you are stuck with one lmao

[worldly oriole]

dh boomie basically has to que rsham i think

[fierce elm]

dh/boomie can queue hpriest its fine

the rest can queue both hpriest or rdruid

all of them work with MW

[worldly oriole]

kk probs needa try more

dh ww feels good i qued it with a friend

isnt hpriest bad with double melee

[fierce elm]

is fine

[lavish quest]

Everything is bad with double melee, because ranged op

[copper fox]

Melee is oppressed

[worldly oriole]

thats why im leveling SHADOW and i wanna make a desti

[fierce elm]

I fucking love facing shadow

its always an easy win

[copper fox]

Yea Tony shadow is DOA in shuffle when I see it

[fierce elm]

(I typed this because I just faced shadow)

[copper fox]

Don’t even swap off of disperse fk it

[fierce elm]

The lobby was healer diff but I still pulled out a 4-2 lmao

[copper fox]

It’s just dead

SP makes a healer diff weigh in your favor for sure

Since warrior just cucks sp period

[fierce elm]

yeah managed to go 4-2 purely because a shadow in the lobby lmao

Fury/Arms/Ele/Shadow/Rdr/Hpriest

Rdruid was the better healer by far

[worldly oriole]

I've deff been running sus strats sometimes too so far

[green wharf]

r.i.p in the chat for those in the arenas and bgs when the reset ends 🙏🏾

[worldly oriole]

what happened

[green wharf]

wasnt able to finish my last delve

[green wharf]

thursday happened

[worldly oriole]

it's Tuesday bruv

😂

[green wharf]

potato, potato

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

@fickle forge

Game would have ended at 1:07ish if I didn't have stormweaver. Objective proof that IT IS BACK

[sand sundial]

what is this

[urban skiff]

still lost

[urban skiff]

Enh shaman offhealing

lost the round because the mage was being zDPS

[fickle forge]

Definitely not back, but better at least

[urban skiff]

very much so

I just need to figure out how to make a weakaura that tells me how much it's charged up, checking 2 icons, LoS and HP bars to snipe a good heal is a bit much

[fickle forge]

I mean you don't have to check, it's up after you send a blast or bolt

[urban skiff]

Maybe read the tooltip text on healing surge, subtract dampening / ms effects, and just have it be a visual overlay on party hp bars

Yeah but I'm not going to waste the global if it isn't impactful, but with gcds below 800ms i'll miss two globals if i stop ABC'ing to start THINKING

my brain lag is like 2000ms

[hasty pulsar]

is pvp conquest uncapped today or wat

[fickle forge]

Problem is also you're playing storm

[fierce elm]

no

[fickle forge]

So you have less free gcds

[hasty pulsar]

...

wat in the world

[urban skiff]

Actually would be pretty cool to figure out how to measure my actual brainlag in arenas and see how that improves over time. Way more impactful number than APM

[urban skiff]

is it correct to say individual gcds matter less for storm but there are more of them that needs to be sequenced correctly?

[urban skiff]

no, traditionally they announce it and they haven't

[hasty pulsar]

i see

[urban skiff]

also traditionally they do it after conq cap hits the point where full conq cap can buy a full set of gear for non-fury

I want to say that includes weapons

but excludes the free heraldries

[sand sundial]

no the tool you use to see this

[urban skiff]

it's an app

you get a neat replay if you enable advanced combat logging in wow, but you also have to prune those files routinely if you do that

[fickle forge]

Sort of?

You can just afford to hold a bit more on totemic, because you're gonna have some dead gcds anyway

[urban skiff]

Tbh I set up my tree to have as many globals as possible that aren't lava lash

[worldly oriole]

damn i cant get into valorant

[copper fox]

You should try to get into elite range first in wow

[worldly oriole]

ya

[urban skiff]

have you tried playing 2s with me?

I hear that gets you to platinum diamond league in valorant

@copper fox please tell me i did good vs these guys

feral spriest and afflic all have it pretty good when playing together, and they have a bit more exp than I do

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/tellygum-gif-7997870579315684823

[urban skiff]

syeg please tell me I did good

someone 🥴

[green wharf]

you did all right

[copper fox]

That was supposed to be a feral 6-0

Priest probably ruined it for him

[worldly oriole]

hell ya cant wait to game my sp

[urban skiff]

sp or hp

nvm, obv hp

couldn't be me lol

[copper fox]

You won a game with him so you’re free from blame… surely

[urban skiff]

exactly

a tale of 3 screenshots

Monk won that game tbh

aoe stunned us -> roll paralysed the priest and then slept him after

oh well, I'm a mediocre player on a good day so I consider that shuffle a win

[scarlet barn]

@fickle forge

[green wharf]

the irony of saying that while having a mage name

absolute based

[urban skiff]

don't make me break out the math again

[urban skiff]

why? so it can break first time you use it and he can disappoint us more?

[copper fox]

Was in the heat of the gorilla vs men talk

But also

Yes

Exactly

[stone dew]

why ppl aint getting 4-pieces tier bonus for fury?

[green wharf]

cause isnt very good

[copper fox]

Yea because it’s bad

[lavish quest]

Because fury is

[stone dew]

I guessed it was the reason, but it seems a bit weird to choose to NOT have the buff at all idk like it was a downgrade in DPS to trade some mastery for a similar value in crit and the buff

Anyways, thanks for the answer

[lavish quest]

Crit is quite bad

[copper fox]

Similar value in crit is a sentence that doesn’t exist

The loss of mast and vers isn’t worth the 4 set

[worldly oriole]

bring back legion m+

[green wharf]

the sets this season are pretty bad in stats, lots of then give too much crit and a small amount of other stat

its not worthy for the 4p

especially when they are already nerfed in half in pvp

[stone dew]

I said in a numeric sense for the gear status, ofc it has differente weight in DPS. But I got the point, vers+ mastery is better than other combination + buff

[fierce elm]

you love to see it lmao

[copper fox]

Ah ok got you. But yea correct just bad

[copper fox]

Pain

[frank knoll]

I don’t even play set at all on my DH

The only sets that are good this season in PvP iirc is Arcane Mage and Afflock

[fierce elm]

Arms, Ret

Outlaw

Assa

[frank knoll]

Do you play 4p on arms

[fierce elm]

yes

the haste proc is incredible

or rather

[frank knoll]

DHs revolves around crit
I opted to go no set and use the extra vers and preferred secondary stats

[fierce elm]

the haste proc + ms damage is pretty good

and warrior doesn't mind crit

[frank knoll]

I haven’t played any arms but I have 4p
I’ll try it out

[pastel swan]

SP set is godly. You get so much haste it’s insane. But tbh you need it to cast a lot

If ur talking stats. The 4 set also is good iirc

[urban skiff]

the fuck did i do to deserve this lobby

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

is this because I don't lust my partners?

bet that's why

[green wharf]

buff dk goddamit

[copper fox]

No

Don’t

[worldly oriole]

solo que 5v5

[copper fox]

DK meta sucks

[worldly oriole]

damn my pc actually has no memory

[pastel swan]

Low MMR healers fall apart to dks. It may be the most oppressive class below like 2k

[worldly oriole]

and ive got like 2 games on it

[green wharf]

dks happy = mages sad

[copper fox]

10000%

[pastel swan]

It’s so annoying

On arms it isn’t bad. I take duel, disarm, and double intervene just to carry their dumbasses

[pastel swan]

Just completely fuck up thier goes

[fierce elm]

duel disarm and double intervene wht the hell

[pastel swan]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[green wharf]

i always report people who do this

[copper fox]

Lmfao

[pastel swan]

Shit works when they train ur healer

[fierce elm]

Its a hellhole there

[copper fox]

I guess

[green wharf]

if it works, it works

[copper fox]

Makes sense honestly

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-howard-nodding-gif-13246550

[copper fox]

You could either play that way or you play which healer dies faster

I’m pretty sure you can kill a 1500 healer in a stun before they even press a cooldown

[pastel swan]

I have 2 Warrs. Needa start climbing more. Both are between 2100-2200 on both specs

[green wharf]

when i was doing thane, there was some cancer comps i could just focus the healer entirelly, cause the aoe was soo good

[haughty jewel]

Too many warriors

[urban skiff]

what are they even doing

[green wharf]

it was DH and WW

[copper fox]

Says the guy with literally too many warriors

[green wharf]

killed their dps by hitting the healer

[green wharf]

having a meltdown

[haughty jewel]

I got #1 arms yesterday

[pastel swan]

Damn that’s sickkk congratulations! Huge

[green wharf]

humongous even

[urban skiff]

did i do good

[fierce elm]

tiny

where 2.4 ZERCHER

[urban skiff]

i only just opened my can of monster

I would have gone 6-0 but missed a vital kick on first match

one big heal

[haughty jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/tough-nah-id-win-gif-13118326668157271173

[urban skiff]

congratulations

now do enh

and tell me what the fuck I'm supposed to do

[fierce elm]

damage

[haughty jewel]

do dmg but also avoid dmg

and avoiding dmg is more important

[urban skiff]

that was a 5.7m self heal in mid damp 😮

[fierce elm]

great advice lmfao

[urban skiff]

too many instructions

take damage run away

[fierce elm]

At least NA is live so I can watch Magnus do 2s 💤

[worldly oriole]

lol

[cold summit]

im hard stuck 1.4-1.6 in rbgs

https://tenor.com/view/mario-judah-gif-4675361059397157460

[pastel swan]

Release that guide of everything you know for ya boy

[copper fox]

Actually huge

[worldly oriole]

hell yeah guise

its classic timewalking.

[urban skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1klqc6q/conquest_uncapped/

reddit says conq uncapped

is this true or do I need to pick a fight?

[haughty jewel]

conq is uncapped

[urban skiff]

aww yir

[copper fox]

Finally

[worldly oriole]

wheres the timewalking vendor for classic anyone know

[urban skiff]

in classic zone

[copper fox]

@fierce elm buffalo chicken meatballs, potato, cauliflower and extra hot sauce ofc

Oh and Coke Zero because I’m a fat POS and have to kill cravings

[worldly oriole]

@urban skiff 😡

[urban skiff]

go walk into orgrimmar, stupid nelf

[fierce elm]

Coke Zero is so good man lmao

I haven't had dinner yet

had protein ice-cream instead

[copper fox]

Lmfao

[urban skiff]

soda cleans the grease from your mouth and removes one of the "i'm done eating" signals your body relies on to stop eating

[copper fox]

This is lunch # 1

[urban skiff]

drink water or monster

[fierce elm]

Lunch was 200g chicken and salad and a fuckton of salsa

Though I am SLAMMING coke zero rn

[copper fox]

False this soda fills me 100%

I drink a gallon and a half of water a day I ain’t drinking more lol

[fierce elm]

M O R E

Oh wait Conq actually is uncapped

[urban skiff]

@sharp meteor who's 1300 rated now huh

[fierce elm]

LMAO get rolled @urban skiff

[copper fox]

Drink more and piss out all of my hydration

[fierce elm]

Conquest is uncapped @hasty pulsar I remembered you asking

[hasty pulsar]

Oh sweet thx dude

[urban skiff]

i was sort of wrong, without uncap tomorrow we'd have been able to buy a full set minus 100 conq for gloves

wonder why they uncapped this reset and not next

[fierce elm]

and boxes

[copper fox]

Probably because they should have uncapped 3 weeks ago

[urban skiff]

why 3 weeks ago?

that's way too soon for the season

[fierce elm]

So I can send conq gear to alts

[copper fox]

Let us live

[fierce elm]

and not have to crate farm

[copper fox]

Yea

[urban skiff]

fuck that's gonna be so good

[cosmic field]

we're uncapped? noice

[urban skiff]

does sending conq provide progress for weapons?

[fierce elm]

no

[urban skiff]

or are you going to skip the freebies?

[fierce elm]

but you gamble weapons from crates anyways

[urban skiff]

I'm going to craft weapons on my shaman first

get rid of all this vers and get more mastery

https://tenor.com/view/u-unlimited-power-star-wars-lightning-gif-14542323

16% vers is enough when playing a tanky class like enh, right??

[copper fox]

It’s so easy to make the pvp community happy. We don’t even need class tuning we just need unlimited conq

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

no no no noooo

[fierce elm]

Also today I gave up on the mastery

[urban skiff]

first they have to put up a limitation that aggravates the community and THEN lift it

[fierce elm]

and recrafted my neck into haste instead

[urban skiff]

a proper abusive relationship

[cosmic field]

and 30s slaughterhouse... right

[copper fox]

Yes

[copper fox]

Good man

[fierce elm]

it was a good run

rip the 20% haste

and 28% mastery

hello 28% haste and 20% mastery

[copper fox]

This is the way

[urban skiff]

what made you change? More slaughterhouse uptime?

[fierce elm]

Im Arms

[copper fox]

Arms

[urban skiff]

oh ok

didn't peg you for a pervert

[fierce elm]

Also saw everyone else ran higher Haste than I did

figured I would join the pack

[sharp meteor]

crests uncapped along with conq q up

[copper fox]

Lmao

[fierce elm]

Kennie so late smh

[sharp meteor]

:3

[urban skiff]

@sharp meteor afro wants you

[fierce elm]

: )

[urban skiff]

another funky lobby

[copper fox]

Zercher said something about pegging afro

That’s a 3-3 for you

[fierce elm]

I still don't know why they made mythic gear 1 above PvP lmao

Boutta rock my 1 ilvl higher gloves fuck yall nerds

[urban skiff]

rounding error

[fierce elm]

Dinar transmog tomorrow too

unless you are a mythic raider

[worldly oriole]

whats dinar

[fierce elm]

dinar deez nuts

https://www.wowhead.com/

here man

Find Puzzling Cartel Chip

[worldly oriole]

someone in trade chat was looking for the dinar vendor

is he dinaring these nuts too

[copper fox]

It’s dinarsaur gear

[fierce elm]

he is dinaring these nuts too

[copper fox]

Flokk pisses me off

[fierce elm]

also the ilvl buff is like 1% stats

less than 1% secondaries lmao

[copper fox]

Makes no sense

[fierce elm]

it really doesn't

[copper fox]

Keeping pve people happy with 1 ilvl?

[fierce elm]

So yeah, like 700k hp and less than 1% in secondaries lets GO

[urban skiff]

this is a 6-0 rogue happening

[copper fox]

6-0 outlaw is wild

[fierce elm]

chad

[urban skiff]

nah he ded

weird lobby

monk is having a bad time

[copper fox]

Oh

Not a weird lobby

Casual healer diff

[pastel swan]

KEK

[green wharf]

shit vault goddamit

[urban skiff]

think you're right

rogue can do too much before we're through all his immunities

chance to go 4-2

crossing toes

so close

does hunter+dk have a cool name in 3s?

[worldly oriole]

classic timewalking is just what wow needed

[scarlet barn]

If only you saw all of his messages

He was legendary in both pvp and pve

Legendarily bad

[copper fox]

PhD

Originally played with a priest or pally hence the P

[green wharf]

no more conquest cap, thank god

i can finnaly buy haste gear

[verbal tangle]

And your 1h+shield

[copper fox]

Time to make the smf warrior right

[verbal tangle]

Run around with the fattest speed

[worldly oriole]

whats smf

[verbal tangle]

Gigachad Fury

[urban skiff]

it's abusing a series of specialiizatioin/talent bugs to make 1h dw viable:

don't do it or you'll never feel like a winner again

[worldly oriole]

classic timewalking is really a blast from the past man

[green wharf]

thats my no dog build, but took lava lash to spread flame shock

[urban skiff]

yuck

lava lash is dead

DEAD

[green wharf]

i was using blood token this whole time

[worldly oriole]

ilvls are maxed out right now

just noticed im 683ilvl on my mage in pvp

and i havent done anything

[fierce elm]

Yeah wowhead.com

PvP ilvl increased this week

[worldly oriole]

i wonder if it means anything for the meta

[fierce elm]

probably not

[urban skiff]

Ilvls turn into mostly mainstat and stam.

Biggest shifts of secondary stats will happen on jewelry

[worldly oriole]

hell ya lost 20 points cuz 2k ms

[fierce elm]

Its less than a %

like singular

[lavish quest]

Means you got too much vers now

[urban skiff]

It's a 683/678 increase.

[fierce elm]

Yeah

[urban skiff]

I wish i knew more about the underlying systems for gear. I know i could just get the data and do a small model but that involves a lot of getting gear which is the boring bit, and i worry the exciting bit of finding the patterns isn't going to excite me much

[fierce elm]

Mag gained about 0.5% haste lmao

Though ima rock up with my 684 MYTHIC gloves

[urban skiff]

It isn't just a 683/675 increase to all stats. Different pieces scale differently with ilvls so like chest head legs are almost entirely mainstat while other pieces are sort of split between both

[fierce elm]

I know

[urban skiff]

It's fucky at best and really fucky at worst

[fierce elm]

YOU ARE NERDING OUT in the zug zug channel again

[urban skiff]

I'm sure there's a really dumb rule of thumb for how they scale but i don't want to look it up

[fierce elm]

Im gonna ask you a nerd question

How does shields interact with damage reduction

and I don't want to be laughed at

[sharp meteor]

target takes reduced dmg therefore shield is eaten up at reduced rate

[fierce elm]

alright so its literally just temporary hp

[slim saffron]

Le surprise

[urban skiff]

shields inherit your damage reduction

[fierce elm]

Expected lmao

[urban skiff]

yup

[fierce elm]

A streamer was like "This feels weird" about wreckng throw

HE CALLED IT

Anyways that was expected

[urban skiff]

I wish I had put it in my spreadsheet first time, since I knew another change was going to happen

oh well

[fierce elm]

DEAD TALENT AGAIN LETS GO

[urban skiff]

I love how warriors were ok picking up 1 class talent + 1 pvp talent for super situational 8m shield killer but when enh spends 1 pvp talent and 1 class talent to do 14m heals it's "omg dead talents dead playstyle"

[fierce elm]

I didn't even pick up the pvp talent

[lavish quest]

Good thing I never ran either

[fierce elm]

and still went thorugh cocoon and dark pact

[lavish quest]

Me just do dam

[fierce elm]

and the talent was a flex talent anyways that has one good node in it versus MW/Warlock

and unless we are against something we need to disarm grabbing demo over Bladestorm slow isn't bad

checkmate nerd

[urban skiff]

Before (0% nerf):
600%: shield reduced to 16.7% hp
850%: shield reduced to 11.7% hp

Middle (30% nerf):
600%: shield reduced to 23,8% hp
850%: shield reduced to 16,8% hp

After (75% nerf):
600%: shield reduced to 66.6% hp
850%: shield reduced to 47.0% hp

@slim saffron did i do this right?

translation for any warriors: VS anyone else, a shield has 100% hp. Vs your throw it is only half value now.

[fierce elm]

what the hell

Translation: Do not pick wrecking throw

[urban skiff]

what is life co ck value atm?

[urban skiff]

or you can view it from the other angle: Your wrecking throw now gets to do all of its damage instead of spill over and do like a little bit 🙂

[fierce elm]

Watching Laros rn

it is doing about 1.2m into full-shields

[urban skiff]

tell me some values of shields that I can use

[boreal veldt]

what the hell

[lavish quest]

Man only comes in here to shit on with nerfs

[urban skiff]

Pretty sure I can round that up to 5m

so vs this, now, with all talents, wrecking throw will deal 2.1m

[slim saffron]

I mean seems right, but I haven't looked at Blizz' math and they do weird pvp mults sometimes so idk
however that's assuming you're dealing exactly as much damage as the shield has health, which isn't quite realistic

[urban skiff]

I did upside down math to confuse them

I try to avoid thinking about their weird blizzard math and just see a magic box where number go in number come out

[slim saffron]

they didn't cap it, so you can't break shields now or anything, they just added a negative multiplier onto the damage you do vs shields

so if you did 7m off a 10m hit before, now it would be 2.5m (I presume)

[urban skiff]

this seems about right, my numbers get 1.5m with a base dam of wrecking throw at 1m. If it's 900k instead that tracks

or well 800k

hmm

[fierce elm]

yeah

dead talent

back into the bin

[urban skiff]

I mean, with cooldowns how high can you get your base wrecking throw?

[boreal veldt]

1-1.5m maybe

[slim saffron]

sure I'm just pointing out that the absolute number (which you didn't include) is the important part, not the relative amount of shield dam

[urban skiff]

It might still be the biggest single ability you can do if it deals all its damage into a shield and you don't have anything else to spend the global on

[slim saffron]

it definitely is

[fierce elm]

whats the number I need to deal into a shield to get my GF to love me

sorry

I am thinking wrecking throw is goneso

[urban skiff]

yeah, for my head it just helps to think of it as the shield having less hp vs me. Or it did when there was still a chance of damage overflowing.

That way I'd see a 2m shield, know wrecking would make that into 200k(ish) and my 900k base damage would deal another 700k into his hp bar

[slim saffron]

wrecking throw doesn't overflow

[urban skiff]

the damage mod doesn't

surely the base dam does

[slim saffron]

I don't recall, but I don't beleive so

[urban skiff]

wait so if there's a 1hp shield up, wrecking throw does 1 dam?

[slim saffron]

it doesn't calc as two hits

[slim saffron]

iirc yes, but yall the PvP nerds, not me

[urban skiff]

I don't know anything about anything, I'm a perma 1800 player who likes to ignite drama

I assumed blizzard handles it the way I do, and has the shield reduce by a bigger amount when hit by wrecking throw. Instead of splitting the damage into two components

[slim saffron]

mage discord is that way

[boreal veldt]

I think thats true, you'll deal "1 damage" but it will not show damage floating text, it'll just say "Shattered"

[fierce elm]

It does not overflow

[urban skiff]

at all?

[fierce elm]

At all

[urban skiff]

i feel lied to

[fierce elm]

Welcome to Blizz spaghetti

It just says shattered

[urban skiff]

then SMF THANE is still the superior spec

[fierce elm]

and does no damage to the health bar

[urban skiff]

rate my SMF THANE build

[slim saffron]

yeah, thought so

[urban skiff]

it's the secret tech

[fierce elm]

Source: testing

[urban skiff]

I am so deeply disappointed

[boreal veldt]

like afro said

back in the bin

[urban skiff]

well that's a buff for me

[boreal veldt]

[urban skiff]

my shield will live vs warriors now

[fierce elm]

warriors wouldnt pick wrecking throw into enhance

they don't know what they do

[urban skiff]

lol

truth

i'd take that talent into shamans if it wasn't nerfed

murdering a capstone talent with a 30 second cd is goat

rate my tooltip, is this enough flameshock info?

[fierce elm]

what the fuck

[boreal veldt]

bigger

[urban skiff]

@slim saffron you're like smart-smart. How does mortal wounds effects calculate when there's also dampening involved?

or how do i test it for myself?

[slim saffron]

no clue, but I would think they're multiplicative like most everything else in the game

[rancid granite]

who is the bajheera of MM hunters?

i need some guide cause this shit is hard

[verbal tangle]

MM
Hard

Bruh

[rancid granite]

i dont know what my buttons do lmao

so i panic when some warrior or DH zug my ass

[urban skiff]

want something funny, try putting a freezing trap between you and them while in stealth and when you open up with aimed shot just watch them run right over it

[rancid granite]

thats the tips im looking for

[urban skiff]

oh god please don't listen to me

i spell reflect whenever i charge a hunter because one did this thing to me like one time

[rancid granite]

lol

it is easy mode v ranged though

topping dps in greens

[fickle forge]

You can parry roar??

[wheat jay]

jellybeans

[urban skiff]

idk if you can, but wws can parry sundering

so wouldn't surprise me if they're parrying literally everything that deals physical damage from the front

fun lobby incoming

[lavish quest]

Who is the mud of mm hunters?

[urban skiff]

am I wrong about assa rogue?

superior lobby let's go

[wheat jay]

jelly lol

[robust hearth]

Lol wtf y

https://www.wowhead.com/news/pvp-hotfix-tuning-for-warriors-wrecking-throw-and-shattering-throw-376861

[robust hearth]

Tht would be aarow

[rancid granite]

aarow and jellybeans 🙏 ty

[robust hearth]

Jelly don't play retail no.more

He's a classic Andy now

[violet fossil]

damn

[urban skiff]

the fuck does this mean

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

these guys are killing my mmr

i feel like I should have gotten another win

hunter just straight up gone

[boreal veldt]

just put it your mount this link now

come on

[copper fox]

Put your mount in his mouth

[boreal veldt]

[copper fox]

Simple translation

[urban skiff]

turbo v rmp

[copper fox]

Heavycurls

[pastel swan]

So we did conclude earlier to not play shatter or wrecking? Didn’t get to read it all but someone said it’s dead. I just never know what to take seriously in here lmao

[fierce elm]

its hotfixed on NA

so yeah not worth running it

[urban skiff]

it's probably dead

without avatar and colossus it's gonna hit for liike 2.5m tops

[pastel swan]

Will shatter not get rid of bubble block or bop?

[copper fox]

@urban skiff is this the season you hit 2.4

[urban skiff]

it's certainly the season I've played the most

but I have no idea if i should just put it in my mount this link now or later

i have impressed the peasants

i even almost carried that rogue to 2 wins

mage just up and vanished

[fierce elm]

it does

[pastel swan]

Oh ok good

[urban skiff]

wait bop too?

[fierce elm]

yes

Shatter removes BoP too

and Spellwarding

You generally never Shatter BoP though

Unless you are training non-ret

[urban skiff]

or i have a disc for bubble

[fierce elm]

My ret IS RISING RN

[pastel swan]

Wait the fuq

[fierce elm]

JUST GOT MY ELITE SET

[pastel swan]

I didnt know shatter worked on magic bop

[urban skiff]

what's your MMR? I'm catching up

[fierce elm]

Only playing 3s on it lmao

[urban skiff]

pfft

[fierce elm]

high 2.2

or low 2.3

Its like 2.2mmr in SS

[fierce elm]

it d o e s

Mass dispel doesn't however

[pastel swan]

Jfc

[fierce elm]

source: I play ret

[pastel swan]

So we have the only way to get rid of it?

Lol

[fierce elm]

Spellwarding yeah

but I wouldn't worry about that tbh

In most cases you shatter Bubble and nothing else

[urban skiff]

source: he's spreading misinformation to keep his ret safe

[fierce elm]

lmao

[pastel swan]

Why wouldn’t u shatter it if you have it and there’s no mage

[urban skiff]

brother is having a good time

[fierce elm]

Its easier to just swap target

This is all if you aren't training ret

if you are training ret you only shatter bubble

if you are training rets partner you can shatter bop/spellwarding

but youd much rather just send damage into spellwarding

[pastel swan]

I never take the easy way out

[fierce elm]

Its just taht shattering it on the ret does nothing

[pastel swan]

Like Tony

[fierce elm]

because ret doesn't get fucked by forbearance and can still bubble anyways

but if you shatter divine shield they cant use anything for like 30 seconds

source: I still play ret

Playing 3s at 2.2 and facing fucking multi r1s is wild thouigh

[urban skiff]

game is 20 years old and everything has a thousand alts

I'm like the only player left who isn't a multi r1 now

[fierce elm]

Its fun though

you get to face some real competent players

[urban skiff]

yeah but problem is, you have to adapt and get better

[fierce elm]

yeah

lmao

[urban skiff]

And that's a risk with the same danger level as being caught shitting in the woods by a polar bear

[fierce elm]

Isn't the point to get better

boutta make my night bagel

[urban skiff]

wait i had a typo

[worldly oriole]

about to make a new tank char named Dunnierunnr

[fierce elm]

lmfao

[urban skiff]

salmon spinach cream cheese wraps here

around 100g smoked salmon

[fierce elm]

Bagel, toasted, 100g turkey bacon

for my last protein of the day

[urban skiff]

just realized I've been using big vers little mastery gems. Think I can go lower on vers?

for some reason my haste is just 5% too high

i should look into that

[fierce elm]

what the hell

You can tomorrow

[urban skiff]

why tomorrow?

[fierce elm]

just drop all vers and craft gear only

[fierce elm]

this

[urban skiff]

all my gear is crafted already

except gloves

[fierce elm]

change stats

smh

[haughty jewel]

craft dis dick

[urban skiff]

I don't listen to people who are only rank1. Go for rank0 or reroll enh

i'm actually a pretty big deal now

[fierce elm]

lmao

[cold summit]

I tried pushing to 1.8 and got to 1.4, am I him? (from 1.6)

[fierce elm]

YOU HIM

[cold summit]

Ty

This is elo hell

[urban skiff]

him who

[urban skiff]

if I hit 2.1 I'm going to try dropping vers completely

see what happens

[fierce elm]

kek

I dont have maple syrup

yall think honey+turkey bacon is good

[urban skiff]

some guy in shaman discord hit 2.4k with 4% vers

[cold summit]

https://tenor.com/view/diggs-stefon-stefon-diggs-him-i'm-him-gif-5644142888160454621

[fierce elm]

on a bagel

[urban skiff]

no he him you war

[cold summit]

Honey is good with everything

[haughty jewel]

@elfin surge deepthroatin it...

[urban skiff]

except nutella

[cold summit]

True

[fierce elm]

@elfin surge go live and stream some viewer game 2s

[urban skiff]

if i take away 5% haste i gain 11% mastery, not a bad deal

[fierce elm]

@copper fox after two games of 28% haste instead of 20% haste

[elfin surge]

NO

[fierce elm]

I can tell you it feels better

[fierce elm]

yes

[chilly pivot]

will it change something with inflated mmr tomorrow with new patch? or how its working

[fierce elm]

what the fuck do you mean inflated mmr

all we are getting is increased ilvls for PvP

thats it

[worldly oriole]

so the game wont be easier tomorrow?
asking for a friend

[chilly pivot]

idk why they do that, will be the same for everyone, better keep it like it is

[fierce elm]

To make PvE easier

thats literally why

[cold summit]

Mainly for pve

[fierce elm]

and because they are increasing Pve they need to increase PvP

[chilly pivot]

it means we get more haste so we can drop some haste and go for more mastery^^

[fierce elm]

you are gonna get about 0.5% more secondaries

make sure to allocate that correctly

[frank knoll]

Dr. Mike looking insane rn

[cold summit]

Is it worth to craft the fingers

And can u transfer conquest between characters now

[chilly pivot]

but i was thinking with every new patch the mmr was incresed

[fierce elm]

where do you get half of this stuff from brother

[urban skiff]

will be easier if you aren't a warrior

[fierce elm]

Conquest boxes tomorrow

for EU

[chilly pivot]

when is uncap?

[cold summit]

What that mean

[fierce elm]

TOMORROW

[cold summit]

Tmr for eu

[urban skiff]

my dream of hitting murlokio is dead.

[fierce elm]

You can buy conquest boxes that contain a random piece of equipment for your spec

send those over

[urban skiff]

A short while ago i just needed to cross over 1800 to be featured

[cold summit]

[boreal veldt]

you get more secondary stat over resil so if thats what you want, go getem

[frank knoll]

Now that conq is uncapped
Gonna make a full haste set on my DH and machine gun Fel Lance people to death

Like BfA

[fierce elm]

also

if you just happen to have mythic tier set pieces

those are better than the PvP ones tomorrow

: )

[cold summit]

[fierce elm]

by one entire ilvl

[urban skiff]

same with maxed out pve crafted pieces right?

[fierce elm]

Update: Bagels, honey and turkey bacon slaps

yes

I think so

[boreal veldt]

dear god

[cold summit]

Honey is good with everything yes

https://tenor.com/view/honey-oh-gif-21283529

[urban skiff]

do i equip this if i have it at mythic level?

[fierce elm]

unimagined POWER

[cold summit]

@urban skiff I will try honey and Nutella tmr

[fierce elm]

since when did you fucking raid

[frank knoll]

Why are PvE Andy’s like Dratnos and Maximus so pissed about Dinars

CE raiders hate it

[fierce elm]

its a weird choice of dinars this season

By not allowing people who haven't cleared mythic to not buy the mythic ilvl pieces

[urban skiff]

it's been a while but like, how hard can it be?

[cold summit]

Cuz of the mythic stuff

[fierce elm]

you know, the people it should help

[boreal veldt]

could be cool, would definitely play with it before they nerf a bunch of overlooked pve items in pvp

[fierce elm]

Anyways its transmog

its already nerfed

however the mastery it gives is amazing

[urban skiff]

it's already nerfed to 20%

[boreal veldt]

ah, cest la vie

[frank knoll]

Isn’t it supposed to be more for like Badluck protection than giving free gear

[boreal veldt]

but mast cbtm

[fierce elm]

6.6k mastery from one ring though : )

[urban skiff]

but it's still a free cantrip effect with no downsides

[fierce elm]

That is the iteration they did now

Personally its transmog

I would want them to uncap catalyst charges

[frank knoll]

Same

[fierce elm]

so I can get full LFR+Normal appearances

[boreal veldt]

truuu

[frank knoll]

Transmog is the true end game

[fierce elm]

Turn all my Bloody token gear into appearances lmao

[frank knoll]

And uncap sparks so I can get easy purples to try meme builds with

[fierce elm]

Especially with how lit the fucking Paladin normal colorway is

675 crafted becomes 681 @urban skiff

[urban skiff]

huh

[fierce elm]

tomorrow

[urban skiff]

crafted is garbage

[fierce elm]

naaa

[urban skiff]

never crafting again

😛

[fierce elm]

the rings are bis for Ret lmfao

[pastel swan]

I’m going full haste

[fierce elm]

awks

[cold summit]

Wait until next expac :))

[sand sundial]

yeah wait to pug normals in LFG for +30m

hope for blizzard to add LFR at some point when they could be bothered

heroic > mythic is easy but for LFR/Normal I found the best way to be playing on alts or sending warbound stuff around to catalyze

[fierce elm]

LFR/normal is just Bloody token gear

lmao

[sand sundial]

I don't think so?

[fierce elm]

it is

[sand sundial]

does it give those colors?

[fierce elm]

Source: I have done that

[sand sundial]

really?

[fierce elm]

yes lmao

[sand sundial]

huh

[fierce elm]

You upgrade it once

and it gives you LFR and normal

[sand sundial]

interesting

thats still so many extra catalyst charges though

[fierce elm]

yeah thats the main issue

is the catalyst charges

[sand sundial]

you can hold onto a one full set because its free to catalyze next season

[fierce elm]

Though couldn't you just keep last seasons items then catalyst them post season

yeah

exactly

[sand sundial]

thats 2 whole sets

whole lotta wpvp

[fierce elm]

So probs hold bloody token items for Catalyst

1000 bloody tokens per week at minimum

that aint bad

[scarlet barn]

is it?

[fierce elm]

no now tis arms

lmao

[scarlet barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/pvp-hotfix-tuning-for-warriors-wrecking-throw-and-shattering-throw-376861#comments

[fierce elm]

LATE

[scarlet barn]

just to put context to the screenshot

[cold summit]

Yes

U can catalyst DF gear u get from dungeons

And it’s free

[fierce elm]

neato

[copper fox]

Good luck

[cold summit]

I want the s3 raid set, but they made it s2 idk why

[pastel swan]

Don’t need it

But Ty

[scarlet barn]

lol dude already changed it

[haughty jewel]

8----D O:

[spice hornet]

Hey Guys. Please @ me when warrior isn't C tier. Thank you

[worldly oriole]

HELLL Ya got some cr back

on windwalk

[pastel swan]

@spice hornet time to return arms A tier fury not ded

When u said 28 haste 20 mast did u mean in or out of pvp @fierce elm

[fierce elm]

in

[pastel swan]

👍🏼

[worldly oriole]

im in classic timewalk que for 14minutes now?

what gives

[frank knoll]

The game is bad when fury is good

-mages

[worldly oriole]

smh mate

im lookin for some pvp

pve*

[spice hornet]

@worldly oriole thoughts on a double quarter pounder substitute mac sauce, add 2 chicken nuggets to it ? @copper fox

[worldly oriole]

xD

not an everyday thing but cant hurt

you could also order a mcdouble. and put a mcchicken inside it

lmao

[frank knoll]

Anyone roll Pandaren

[worldly oriole]

why

[frank knoll]

They look cool

[spice hornet]

Non gnome warr is unplayable

[sharp meteor]

its brutal

[worldly oriole]

yeah im a dark iron on my fully geared war

wish i was gnome on my windwalker too

[pastel swan]

Ya the highmountain Tauren dream is fading quickly

[verbal tangle]

Human is pretty much the only acceptable alternative

Even then it's still just to not play a fucking midget

[pastel swan]

Ya I like swinging big ass weps on a cow

But I may have to go gnome

[verbal tangle]

Idk how Horde copes w/o a real pvp race

[frank knoll]

I usually race change to gnome every season when it’s time to push
Then back to Human

[verbal tangle]

Orc ain't what it used to be

[copper fox]

I went gnome and tanked 100 points

Dragon OP

[worldly oriole]

i got my cr back

on ww

[copper fox]

Good

Q again

[frank knoll]

I may try WW, it’s like a better DH

[copper fox]

So are we substituting the sauce for chicken nuggets?

[frank knoll]

I’ve never touched monk before

[spice hornet]

No adding

Adding Mac sauce and nuggets basically

[copper fox]

Yea I’m down

I need 3

[worldly oriole]

LOL 3 burgers is way too much

[spice hornet]

Toni, wtf, aren’t you supposed to be bulking?

[green wharf]

so are those talents dead now?

75% less effective? wtf?

[copper fox]

Dumbest nerf in the game

75% is ridiculous

[edgy escarp]

and im here playing Ztroll 🤡

[copper fox]

The game is unfun because of mages

[edgy escarp]

can someone link me patch notes with pvp changes?

[sharp meteor]

she plays splay every seas

[green wharf]

there is only that

[copper fox]

Sounds like a personal problem. Nozom is doing fine with it

[spice hornet]

That’s a girl?

[copper fox]

Multi glad girl sp complaining about warrior