pvp

[fickle forge]

I mean yeah

Enh win con is pretty much damage

So the more damage you do, the higher your gain

[urban skiff]

same as feral and fury, and they're all in different ends of the graph

[fickle forge]

Not really true for feral

[urban skiff]

It feels like that's not quite it either

[fickle forge]

But it also shows who has the biggest disparities in their rotations

And I mean putting up Rip and Rake isn't rocket science

Any handicapped monkey can do that and do 1.5M dps

[urban skiff]

the rocket science to feral is knowing when to put up all the bleeds early just because they'll keep ticking while you're sitting CC; and when not to waste energy because target is going to eat tripple cyclone regardless.

I've always been of the opinion that feral was stupidly easy as soon as they removed true snapshotting. But with modern weakauras I'm not sure that bringing back true snapshotting would actually make feral hard again

[cosmic field]

i guess it would workout like this... if enh doesn't pump damage they don't offer much else to the round so would be low mmr. That's why it correlates throughput to rating highly

[fickle forge]

I mean yeah, feral is not rocket science, it's somewhat hard when it comes to living, but anyone can maximize the dam

[cosmic field]

sub rogue opposite, can win rounds with healer cc etc

[urban skiff]

But that also holds true for both enh and fury

[cosmic field]

nah fury is for intellectuals clearly

enh new easy spec

[urban skiff]

I think I'm going to go with the first instinct and say the graph is flawed or missing a z-axis

[fickle forge]

It doesn't mean enh sham is a high mmr spec though

[urban skiff]

true

spread the word

[fickle forge]

Just the disparities between the higher and lower enh shams in correlation to their dam output

[urban skiff]

ah yea, there it is

enh who can't do dam, cannot climb.

Feral who can't do dam, can still climb

[urban skiff]

fury who can't do dam, can climb a bit

[fickle forge]

Fury is also dumb easy

Like stupid easy, Blizz should implement a rating penalty to it

[fierce elm]

how you gonna do no dam on a spec though

[urban skiff]

just take away fury ms effect

lol

[fickle forge]

Warrior in general is just a very forgiving class, you can be pretty mid at the game and gain a lot of rating

[fierce elm]

Was about to say that both specs are dummy easy

[urban skiff]

not that forgiving, when all warriors leap behind pillars

[fickle forge]

Idk how many people have uploaded VODs here so far that go "How I go above 2.2k?" and then they lack all their fingers when you watch the gameplay

[urban skiff]

Probably easier to say, it's easier to avoid making unforgivable mistakes on warrior

[fickle forge]

Like go play warlock and you'd be 1.5k kinda gameplay

[cosmic field]

always start the round behind enemy pillar to get the cc out the way

[urban skiff]

also get rid of that pesky hp bar so healer has something to do

do BM hunters have ms effect?

fun trend, specs with ms effects trend towards the left side

that's probably the Z-axis I was asking for

[fickle forge]

Well, maybe not that hot of a take when you got 4 MS specs on the right side as well

Probably the difference between arms and fury here is that arms has a way more burstier pop

End the game in a CS

[urban skiff]

had to shift a few down because of overlap

readability suffers a bit because I'm too lazy to do it over in a more readable way

[worldly oriole]

whats this graph?

[copper fox]

That graph is saying that the classes leaning right can gain more rating purely with pve rotation compared to the classes leaning left

[lavish quest]

How important just pimping numbers is to your rating

[worldly oriole]

thats why im 1600 on dh

[lavish quest]

Yeah that's why

[worldly oriole]

lol im higher than 1600

[lavish quest]

Ashkually, I'm 1603 🤓

[worldly oriole]

i started my season of discovery char

[copper fox]

No one c

Cares

[urban skiff]

ok so reading it again, there's a notable trend.

ranged classes have a higher coefficient

[copper fox]

Ofc

[lavish quest]

Poor Tony, everyone shits on him when he tries to talk about some other game

[wheat jay]

dafuq is that regarded graph?

[lavish quest]

Meanwhile, artji or I can talk about some random game with 0 disrespect

[green wharf]

But when Mud talks about roblox everyone praises him

[copper fox]

Graph:
do less = win (right side)
do less = probably lose (left side)

[lavish quest]

Warriors towards the middle as we must do everything

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[wheat jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917951051028660264/1370826074962919565/image.png?ex=68219184&is=68204004&hm=2915d0007c4e1418358cc42950ef9523a9d72ded380cc13098f9a5548b091021&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1366&height=769

real and true

btw chrono odyssey should have playstests soon, you can sign up on steam

[lavish quest]

Maybe one day I'll return to diving hell

[wheat jay]

fam

[lavish quest]

What's chrono odyssey?

[wheat jay]

korean mmorpg

looks nice

i like their idea to releasing the game

they have yet to show ui or any important stuff

official discord opening this month

tests should be june

and full release this year q4

i like this more than many other games doing fucking 5 years of testing and 20 alpha/beta tests

check it on YT, there are some gameplay trailers but no UI

[lavish quest]

But we need the unpaid testers

Reeee

[wheat jay]

ye itss not wow tho lol

ok so what's known

no gender lock

plenty of pve content

5 or 6 classes iirc

every class 3 weapons, 4 skills per weapon at a given time

you choose 2 weapons and can swap between them in combat

[worldly oriole]

is it f2p

[wheat jay]

no clue

i hope not

i hope for pay2play or buy2play

[worldly oriole]

looks like star wars

you ever play phantasy star online

that was a banger

[wheat jay]

fam its fantasy game O_O

hgow does it look like star wars xD

[copper fox]

Tony is MLG don’t talk to him like that

[worldly oriole]

its a guy with a gun a helmet and a gun on his hip in a desert

[copper fox]

Full scholarship gamer

[worldly oriole]

clearly a stormtrooper

[lavish quest]

If you squint your eyes just right...

[copper fox]

If your iq is justttt as low as Tony’s…

[wheat jay]

anyway, i have big hopes for the game

[lavish quest]

Shame the jailer has us all bound to wow

[wheat jay]

not me

not anymore

[lavish quest]

You'll be back. They always come back

[wheat jay]

https://tenor.com/view/grommash-sub-we-will-never-be-subbed-f2p-free-to-play-gif-24537014

[worldly oriole]

retail goes too hard

to play classic

[wheat jay]

who's playing classic other than 50yr old men?

[worldly oriole]

lmfao !!

[wheat jay]

with reaction time of a sleeping koala?

[copper fox]

Classic is so slow

[lavish quest]

Learning another tank in M+ has been more satisfying than pvp

[copper fox]

Isn’t tanking M+ the easiest role

[lavish quest]

No

I have to direct monkeys

[copper fox]

I think the reason I can’t rank M+ is I don’t want to be the lead lol

[lavish quest]

What a coward

You just go in, do more damage than one of the DPS, and then shame them

[copper fox]

That part actually sounds fun

[worldly oriole]

idk classic has a better community

[copper fox]

LOL

no it really doesn’t

[worldly oriole]

lol the troll wasnt obvious

[copper fox]

Not from you

lol

I played 2019 classic but after that I just can’t

It’s too slow and boring

Need a game version that can get my blood pressure high

[lavish quest]

Isn't that what everyone wants arms to return to? Slow and methodical?

[copper fox]

I want fury back

(Fury is dead)

[rancid granite]

people just want big #'s dont they

[lavish quest]

The people just want mages dead

[wheat jay]

depends

arms was methodical in legion

you played low haste

but you also had one of the highest apm in the game

[haughty jewel]

was it

i felt like in legion i just ass blasted people

and got high rating

[wheat jay]

ye

[haughty jewel]

no idea what was going on

[wheat jay]

well

funny thing

if you know the game

and how it works

you can roll ANY class

and demolish people

[haughty jewel]

Fax sun.

[wheat jay]

like

i rolled ww monk

and got 2400 in a week or so

from 0

never playing spec before xd

[haughty jewel]

Type shittt

[wheat jay]

no teleport or ring of peace used

in s1 😄

which is arguably the worst time to play monk

anyway, arms had focused rage

normal rotation

fewer procs

your abilities had purpose

[lavish quest]

Artji fotm rerolled and got results

Smart man

[wheat jay]

not even lmao

i rolled s1

and it got OP in s2

s1 it was arguably among worst specs in the game

im a prophet of meta

AGAIN

[lavish quest]

Oh, the last day of S1?

[wheat jay]

nah faster

[lavish quest]

I did enjoy my first shuffle this season couple days ago as ww was me doing like 33% more end of match dmg than the 2nd DPS

Ez 6-0 while only half geared. Good times

Ww so much fun especially when you can hit things. If only this game wasn't a spam of passive slows and passive root procs

[wheat jay]

real

shadopan > conduit tho

conduit feels like autoplay

[lavish quest]

Haven't tried shadopan outside of pve

I like the big green bustin

Get 2-3 in a sweep or kicked up with dragon punch and just cream

Very reminiscent of multiple spear and bladestorming

But easier to do

[wheat jay]

i played shadopan for big fof xD

right now, full gear, procs etc

id probably do like 3.5mil no crit ticks xD

[worldly oriole]

I'm shadopan rn with big lightning

[lavish quest]

Monk would be such a fun main if they deleted half of the bullshit

But 1 frost mage and fun just deleted insta

[worldly oriole]

I needa roll gnome monk

[lavish quest]

Need to be gnome because a 30s cd root break isn't enough in this game

It's so scuffed

[urban skiff]

you need to roll out the door instead

[wheat jay]

hmm

like what bs

[lavish quest]

Frostbite first and foremost

Then a ton of the ranged slows and roots, esp if passive

Nerf crippling poison a bit

[urban skiff]

how high does damp have to be before a 9m-14m heal is no longer going to feel significant?

[lavish quest]

Well 50% damp makes that 4.5-7m

[urban skiff]

Yup

[wheat jay]

ohhh that way

ye agreed

[urban skiff]

but correct me if i'm wrong, but that's still overtaking a lot of other classes in deep damp, right?

a 6m self heal at 50% damp is still half a health bar

[lavish quest]

Ye monk buttons fine. Maybe a tiny bit bloated, but not an issue

[copper fox]

Rsham is regularly a very good damp healer

[lavish quest]

Ye, but DPS eat thru that shit insta

So glck

[urban skiff]

yea but this was enh self heal

[lavish quest]

You have to lay on hands every gcd

[urban skiff]

cooldown / resourceless heal

[urban skiff]

yea but that's still a 50% mitigation if a healer is sitting full cc and I exit a stun without being dead

assuming they did a full hp bar -1 damage

[lavish quest]

Don't you sacrifice damage to do that?

[urban skiff]

Or in other words, increasing the time it takes to kill me by 33%

[urban skiff]

not at all

[lavish quest]

Can't maelstrom be used on lightning shiz?

[urban skiff]

costs a pvp talent

which means it costs a global

[copper fox]

Oh enhance dies before damp

[urban skiff]

Not with this i bet

[wheat jay]

enh dies

.

[urban skiff]

I'm not going to oversell enh

[lavish quest]

Enh op confirmed

[urban skiff]

but it's not like a massive heal like that every time i use tempest once vs a pet team or twice vs a 3s team is not going to significantly hinder enemy team from getting a kill or forcing cooldowns

If my choice is between popping bulwark or a 5x10 stack self heal I'm going to save that bulwark

duel vs unholy dk just now

[lavish quest]

I feel like would have figured this out by now if it was good

Even if it is, the spec is not unfort

[fierce elm]

Its not good

[wheat jay]

im tempted to resub to collect mogs 😦

[worldly oriole]

lol

[lavish quest]

All MS-less melee are doomed to have to do absurd dmg to even stand a chance

[wheat jay]

thats why blizz should remove ms

and keep only additional abilities for it

like sharpen

[urban skiff]

it's like a week old change at most and zero enh shamans willing to do it

[lavish quest]

Return it to war only do we have a strength again

[worldly oriole]

need legion remix to come out

[lavish quest]

😉

[urban skiff]

I'm going to enjoy having the heals to peel

[copper fox]

Didn’t you just link a chart saying not to do that

Just do dmg

[urban skiff]

I don't know anything

stop treating me like I'm better than a 1400 hardstuck arms

any rating above 1400 is pure luck and a string of crits i didn't deserve

[copper fox]

Fair

[fierce elm]

dont do damage

play the game differently

[copper fox]

Play zero slam talents like a man

And only kill totems with it

[urban skiff]

Anyways, we have the size of the base heal buffed, how deep damp does it take before a heal worth baseline 125% hp bar is no longer significant?

[fierce elm]

100%

at least

[urban skiff]

or 50% vs arms?

[fierce elm]

idk

I don't think about this stuff

[urban skiff]

wait how does damp and ms even stack?

[lavish quest]

So... it reduces healing

[urban skiff]

it would be 100% * damp * ms?

[lavish quest]

Then reduces the healing again. I'm guessing

[urban skiff]

why isn't it possible to look any of this stuff up anywhere?

I don't mind that pvp has a ton of secrets, to keep it from becoming too solved

but like, this is a base mechanic, no?

[worldly oriole]

lol gears of War is like 20 years old. I was like 10 or 11 when I played that

[fierce elm]

uhm, well who knows

generally games that go long where that matters are just a 50/50 anyways

[urban skiff]

well yeah, generally they both have ms or none

at least in 3s, it's rare to have teams without ms, right?

[fierce elm]

Somewhat

At least in this meta

[urban skiff]

I'm just curious

well I always am, but slightly more right now

BM is still rather good, right?

certainly as good as fury

[fierce elm]

bm is still good yes

[urban skiff]

so why is enh recommended to play turbo instead of enh/BM?

[fierce elm]

🤷‍♀️

Mostly its because warr covers Enhance survival issues

while providing a good MS effect and disarm

and Enhance covers some Warrior weakness

Shaman+warrior is generally just a great combo

[urban skiff]

but enh+bm removes a massive weakness of enh+fury, which is the cc-susceptibility

[fierce elm]

Yeah and you are also gonna one tap Enhance

[wheat jay]

how does bm remove cc suspectibility?

[fierce elm]

Enhance biggest issues is always survivability, particularly since they fucked off-healing

Bm provides more CC than Fury

is what he means I would think

[urban skiff]

makes teams prioritize cc'ing pets or the shaman, and you can't aoe root shaman+warrior to get a break from the zugg

[fierce elm]

oh

nvm'

[copper fox]

Yea that’s wrong

[wheat jay]

lmao

[urban skiff]

huh?

[fierce elm]

I would still say you are thinking about this from the wrong directionm

[urban skiff]

So if you were going to rate turbo vs other popular comps right now, how much worse would you rate bm/enh?

[fierce elm]

way worse

[wheat jay]

much worse

[fierce elm]

because Enhance gets one tapped by every meta spec

[urban skiff]

i definitely am, this is another learninig experience for me where I get to absorb a lot

[fierce elm]

and has zero defensives

[wheat jay]

warrior keeps you alive

hunter doesnt

[copper fox]

Yea if you play beast cleave you’re mega dead

[wheat jay]

hunter doesfuckall to save you

[copper fox]

ASAP

[wheat jay]

xd ye

[fierce elm]

Enhance needs help to survive

not help to do damage

[copper fox]

Beast cleave might actually be the squishiest comp in the game rn

[urban skiff]

that's beast cleave?

[green wharf]

definition of cancer lobby

[copper fox]

The comp you’re saying

[fierce elm]

Yeah it is an actual comp

[copper fox]

BM enhance

It died out a while ago

It’s bad

[urban skiff]

I swear beastcleave was something else in my head

like war+bm?

[copper fox]

Nah

[fierce elm]

Rogue/Enhance is probs better than BM/Enhance

Warr+hunt is KFC

[copper fox]

Enhance has wolves

BM has pets

Aka

Beats

[urban skiff]

true

[fierce elm]

by dre

[copper fox]

Beasts

True

[urban skiff]

beastcleave being bm+feral
zoo cleave being bm+enh

would make so much more sense

[worldly oriole]

the best video game was saints row 2

[fierce elm]

Anyways, comps are made up to cover weakness or enhance strengths

And Enhance has no defensives

IE, it needs someone to cover defensives

[copper fox]

Zoo is demo BM

[urban skiff]

I genuinely don't feel like I'm missing defensives on my enh

again i play baby league

[fierce elm]

Enhance gets trucked by 95% of comps

Face a warrior and you might aswell /afk

[urban skiff]

I have the most success rate against warriors, ferals, mages. It's so confusing

[fierce elm]

You also cover a ton of warrior weakness versus mages

with grounding

[urban skiff]

now that is true

[fierce elm]

Warriors should absolutely dumpster enhance

in every world

[urban skiff]

I wish I had room for windrush totem talents

when they can hit me, sure

[copper fox]

You’re also playing against pretty bad players to be fair

[fierce elm]

Stops burst, can kill you in one set up, your wall does nothing

sorry, stops every burst

[urban skiff]

that is absolutely a fair assessment

I'd just expect more overlap between the high-end reality and what I'm seeing

[fierce elm]

If you want a more 'fun' really non-meta enhance comp I would play Rogue/enhance tbh

[urban skiff]

for 2s or 3s?

It would be so relaxing if I could just skip stun talents

[fierce elm]

I have a pretty high winrate into Devoker in SS, doesn't mean warr is good into it

3s

[urban skiff]

let rogue deal with that

[fierce elm]

Loveless used to run that every season

[urban skiff]

Can I do rogue+enh with a disc as 3rd?

[fierce elm]

Its worse than Turbo however

Hpriest is still better but yes

you rely entirely on burst and smokebomb

[urban skiff]

speaking of that, I don't really do burst on my enh as much as a constant stream of bullshit until something keels over.

How do I even play around that? And how should a partner play around it?

the peebringer build

[fierce elm]

idk what enhance does

I just stop damage

[urban skiff]

other enhs play totemic lash which has a lot of small go's like ele

[copper fox]

There’s that multi glad enhance that literally only runs the 1 shot and if it fails the first go he loses but he gets glad like every season

Lawnmower or some shit

[fierce elm]

lmfao chad

[urban skiff]

I have those exact go's but slightly less big, but I also randomly drop 3x tempest crits on top of that predictability

[urban skiff]

what is the 1shot?

[copper fox]

Idk I just know I disarm his doomwinds then press fear when he trinkets it and I usually win

Unless I fk up the cc

[urban skiff]

you should record that

[fierce elm]

they always insta trinket the disarm

its hilarious

[urban skiff]

I want to see how other enhs play but it's a very very empty market

[fierce elm]

They might chill in Shaman discord

who knows

[urban skiff]

I'm active in there and it's usually the same 3 people

but they're most ele but knows enough about enh to answer questions

then there's Nøname who plays the same build as me

and I thik kargish made it in there once by accident

[fierce elm]

He did

[rancid granite]

who is this discords marksman main to grab some tips off of

[wheat jay]

noone

men dont play range

grow a pair O_O

[rancid granite]

miss me with the dumb bm and survival

[urban skiff]

I need a BM guide for my wife

[wheat jay]

go survi

weakling

[urban skiff]

for other reasons than discussed previously in here

[fierce elm]

1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3

[wheat jay]

aatos weaker than vesa confirmed

negative bench too?

[rancid granite]

OK but it makes me feel like I'm John wick and who is manlier than John wick?

[fierce elm]

Sorry

1-2-3, stun freezing, cooldowns, 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3

[wheat jay]

he's 50/50 melee range tho

and has a dog

thus

survival hunter

[urban skiff]

any rotational buttons for bm that doesn't go on the bars?

[fierce elm]

idk

[urban skiff]

like arms/fury don't put slam on

[fierce elm]

Arms does put Slam on now

lmfao

[urban skiff]

and ww is only situational

[fierce elm]

smh KEEP UP

[urban skiff]

Yeah but you get what I mean

[fierce elm]

idk

probs

but really 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3

[urban skiff]

I wish more guides would focus more on "you'll use these buttons a lot, put them somewhere rotationally comfortable"

[fierce elm]

they do

[rancid granite]

lmao true

[fierce elm]

its called PvE guides

[urban skiff]

"you need these buttons ASSAP when you need them, put them somewhere easy"

etc

[wheat jay]

aatos

[urban skiff]

pve guides don't always translate to pvp

[fierce elm]

there ya go

[wheat jay]

now

go to vendor

buy a spear

get a good survival transmog

[fierce elm]

In terms of damage buttons they do

[wheat jay]

and i will teach you what i know

[urban skiff]

without base knowledge it's hard to decide what parts of pve matter and which don't

[wheat jay]

granted the only thing i know how to do well is to land a trap

xD

[fierce elm]

Source: every spec I have played has the same rotation in PvE and PvP

[wheat jay]

when was the last time they were different between pve and pvp?

[fierce elm]

idk

[wheat jay]

long ass time ago?

[fierce elm]

Arms has always been the same, Fury too generally

Ret yeah

[urban skiff]

enh all of s1

[fierce elm]

Its literally just 1-2-3-1-2-3

real simple

[copper fox]

Why would max pve single target be any different than pvp

[urban skiff]

so I can just install hekili and tell her to follow that?

[fierce elm]

Probably

[copper fox]

Yes

[urban skiff]

some specs have different pvp modifiers

[fierce elm]

I can't say any that have a different in PvE than PvP

except maybe Assa rogue

not prioritizing Envenom

[copper fox]

I personally don’t know any either

But idk every classes ins and outs either

[fierce elm]

Outlaw is the same, Fury is the same, Arms is the same, Ret is the same

Those I can answer immediately

[urban skiff]

assuming pvp and pve rotiations are mostly the same. is there a shortcut when starting up a new spec to seeing how many keypresses pve'ers do in warcraftlogs?

[fierce elm]

what does that even mean

[urban skiff]

that would be a neat way to get what I want to know

[copper fox]

Wouldn’t warcraft logs give you that exact answer

[fierce elm]

I feel like a priority list is just what you need

also logs does give that answer

[copper fox]

It shows presses

[fierce elm]

by telling you exactly what they press at what moment

[copper fox]

Yea

[urban skiff]

sure but I'm a bit uncertain if I should find a big patchwerk fight or look at m+ logs

[fierce elm]

You want a patchwerk fight that is purely single target

[wheat jay]

which this season is almost every fight xD

[fierce elm]

but really, you are looking for something that doesn't matter

because they just follow the priority list

[urban skiff]

this is the warcrate group i started weeks ago, same exact name

[fierce elm]

I TRIED TO JOIN THAT ONE

smh

[copper fox]

99% of raid bosses are patchwork fights lol

[fierce elm]

but really, all you need is a prio list and helikil probs

[urban skiff]

the idiot who had assist invited someone and filled the group

[wheat jay]

ye i wouldnt invite afro either

[urban skiff]

pve has gone downhill after sylvanas imho

[wheat jay]

ngl

[copper fox]

Yea it has

[fierce elm]

I was just tryna gear my ret

[wheat jay]

sylvanas was terrible tho

as a boss

[copper fox]

I clear heroic every week… I tunnel bosses

lol

[urban skiff]

Still need invite afro?

[fierce elm]

no lmao

my shits geared enough to queue

[urban skiff]

who are you queuing with?

[fierce elm]

Solo shuffle

and Karg

[urban skiff]

pfft

i offer a totally valid hpal for 2s and you do shuffle and play with some toptier player who's so good i never heard of him

[fierce elm]

lmao

I aint touching ret 2s

[copper fox]

You don’t want to play to 100% damp?

[fierce elm]

its so aids lmao

[urban skiff]

isn't that a good thing when classes have a lot of immunities?

[fierce elm]

I dont want to play 10 minute games

[urban skiff]

play with enh

never hit 10 minute mark

[green wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggwE31FDOVo&ab_channel=Cptskrill

[urban skiff]

what's not to love

[green wharf]

isnt rly hard

the problem for me is the traps

fuck hate em

[urban skiff]

why do you hate them+

[copper fox]

I was watching mag play 2s yesterday

Holy shit

So boring

[green wharf]

cause you need to put then on the ground

and wait that someone tep on it

with SA ping is shite

i dont like manually drop shit either

BM have a lot of buttons do, even if not for damage, so it can gets confusing sometimes

[urban skiff]

I feel like i have some experience with precision placement

and you should too as warrior

[green wharf]

this is what i have, ignore one extra flare

[fierce elm]

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4

ignore 4 when you cant killshot

1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3

[green wharf]

yah but you need to the others too

[fierce elm]

That aint a whole lot of buttons n g l

thats about the same amount of buttons as every other spec

[green wharf]

its more than war 🤷🏾‍♂️

[fierce elm]

Is it though

you are gonna make me log in rn

[green wharf]

and the thing is how i cant rly macro many shit here

[copper fox]

That’s more than warr?

[green wharf]

cant macro call of the wild and bestial wrath

[fierce elm]

Whats the two ice traps though

[green wharf]

one i put on me

[urban skiff]

4 is tranq shot

[green wharf]

the other i throw

[wheat jay]

why

thats stupid

[copper fox]

This guy

[urban skiff]

how much pet control should bm invest iinto?

[copper fox]

“I put one on me”

Mf

PISSING ME OFF

[wheat jay]

you can literally put your mouse over yourself

[fierce elm]

30 buttons

[wheat jay]

that's dumb as hell

[urban skiff]

how is that any different from being a clicker?

[fierce elm]

counting like 28 as Arms

[urban skiff]

isn't that the exact same amount of bad?

[wheat jay]

clicker doesnt have mouse on the field of battle

and you need to aim it anyway

[fierce elm]

Kill Command - Kill shot - Barbed shot - green shot no

[wheat jay]

so he has one button where he has to aim it, anywhere, including his own position

and other button to put it on his own position

its like having charge+hamstring macro, but also only hamstring on separate button

👍

[copper fox]

“Hunter has more buttons than warrior”
“Has a freezing on self button”

[fierce elm]

lmfao

I mean

[sharp meteor]

Arms is like 3 button brainlet spec

[fierce elm]

if we add macros that are situational

[green wharf]

??/

what?

[fierce elm]

Warrior trumps Hunter no?

[copper fox]

Facts

[wheat jay]

depends

[fierce elm]

uhm actually its 4 buttons

[copper fox]

I have 47 intervene macros actually

[wheat jay]

cuz survi for example has more buttons

[fierce elm]

yeah lmfao thats what I am saying

[wheat jay]

for situational things

[fierce elm]

SOPRRY ARTJI

[copper fox]

Normal button, mouse over, healer, dps, party 1 and 2

[fierce elm]

ARMS TRUMPS BM NO?

[copper fox]

@playername

[wheat jay]

same as arms has more than fury

[fierce elm]

I got mouseover hamstring, 123 hamstring and just regular hamstring

[wheat jay]

i believe so, yes

[fierce elm]

I got 123 macro on heroic throw

[copper fox]

I have fear, focus fear and fear arena 1-7

[wheat jay]

and charge hamstring

all with 123

and focus

and mouseover

[fierce elm]

and charge hamstring

[urban skiff]

I have arena 1-39

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

i figure if i ever get into a 40-man arena that last one gets a pass

[wheat jay]

no lol

piano time

[copper fox]

I have charge and hamstring on the same bind actually. I know most ppl don’t but

[worldly oriole]

gurubashi

[fierce elm]

I have all the buttons in a castsequence macro

I know most ppl don't but

[sharp meteor]

Samesies

[copper fox]

Huge

Just watch how good I get at wow on 11.1.7

[wheat jay]

bro everyone does

and intervene

[fierce elm]

nuh uh

[sharp meteor]

Huh

[cosmic field]

wish they would take hamstring off gcd again

[sharp meteor]

Dynamic for vene

[urban skiff]

i slapped charge and intervene together into a single context-macro

@kenni

I respect your opinion

[fierce elm]

@kenni

[copper fox]

Charge and vene is wild

Idk

[urban skiff]

I was too quick and lost the tag

[fierce elm]

I never liked that

[green wharf]

enh

[sharp meteor]

Dm for vene always best

[wheat jay]

charge, hamstring, mouseover intervene

[fierce elm]

dungeon master me

[sharp meteor]

Inferior

Mouse vene demonic

[urban skiff]

My charge/intervene is context. If I have mouseover on a friendly it'll intervene them. If I use it on an enemy in range it'll intervene their target, if i use it on an enemy out of range it'll charge them

if i hit shift it'll charge my focus, if i use ctrl instead it'll charge and swap target

[fierce elm]

what the fuck

[urban skiff]

if i have no target it'll charge my mouseover

[fierce elm]

what the hell

[copper fox]

lol

[fierce elm]

what in tarnation

[urban skiff]

if I have a friendly target it'll charge their target

[fierce elm]

what the fuck am I READING

[urban skiff]

if i have a pet target it'll make them charge me

if i target a moonkin they jump away

[fierce elm]

Why do you have a PHD in your fucking macros

[copper fox]

I think you’re trying too hard to have less buttons

[copper fox]

lol

[fierce elm]

The length of a Master Thesis

[urban skiff]

let me link the macro

[fierce elm]

can it fit within discords limits kek

[urban skiff]

#showtooltip
/use [charge] charge
/camp

[sharp meteor]

Zercher with his patented mordor mmr macros

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

@tribal holly can we pin this

[green wharf]

didnt got 6/0 cause the dh was fucking bad

[fierce elm]

use [charge] charge

lmfao

[cosmic field]

thanks using this in my next game

[green wharf]

you have a way to detect invi, and you dont use to detect the stealth MM

so he just burst you dod eath from stealth

[urban skiff]

why the hecking heck are you playing US servers as a german

[green wharf]

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

/cast Overpower
/cast Ignore Pain

[green wharf]

im not german

[rancid granite]

syeg resident mm hunter????

[cosmic field]

I used this once and immediately forgot how to ever press ignore pain on my own. now i am addicted

[rancid granite]

/cast victory rush
/cast ignore pain

[fierce elm]

lmao

/cast Bladestorm
/cancelaura Bladestorm

: )

[green wharf]

im playing bm though

but i do preffer MM

[rancid granite]

damn ok nm

[green wharf]

but this season isnt good imo

[copper fox]

Add reflect first

[rancid granite]

just hit 80 so im tryna learn the small tips and tricks

[copper fox]

./ignore pain on every single button

lol

[fierce elm]

/cast Charge
/cast Ignore Pain

[rancid granite]

/ignore ignore pain

until u renmember it exists and panic mash it at 10% hp

[green wharf]

rapid fire>aimed shot

[urban skiff]

there's no good reason not to have ignore pain macroed into bladestorm

[sharp meteor]

Mental

[copper fox]

lol

[urban skiff]

pretty sure there's a reason he's doing low dmg

[copper fox]

Idk. I got 2.4 after 1 day of not being in greens on arms and I have IP macrod into zero abilities

Well I was 2k in greens ofc then pushed

[fierce elm]

yeah I never got macroing IP into stuff

[copper fox]

80%+ hp not target IP is throwing

[fierce elm]

omegacursed lobby inc

[green wharf]

no rank shaming

[copper fox]

Lmao

[urban skiff]

people like me can't rank shame

everyone is above me

[fierce elm]

Alright its OKAY

[copper fox]

Show

[warm pollen]

yey

can cross this off my list

[urban skiff]

bad lobby incoming

[urban skiff]

how many did it take?

[copper fox]

5-1 or delete

[urban skiff]

haha, you fuuucked

[copper fox]

Wait what’s your lock

[green wharf]

noice

[copper fox]

Congrats brüther

[urban skiff]

congratulations

[warm pollen]

tyty

[urban skiff]

I forgot to say that, but obviously it's first

[warm pollen]

always wanted this title

[urban skiff]

do you even keep HWL for more than the rests of the season?

[copper fox]

Yes

Forever

[urban skiff]

so it's only RBGs that kept losing their titles?

[copper fox]

Strategist is the bgb title you lose

RBG keeps all titles

As well

[urban skiff]

huh

[copper fox]

There’s no rbg title you lose

[urban skiff]

Not even in old days?

[worldly oriole]

yeah there is

[copper fox]

No there is t

[worldly oriole]

i lost guardian of the alliance.....

[copper fox]

Isn’t

[urban skiff]

i swear i threw a small tantrum over losing titles when i first got into rbg

[worldly oriole]

the one below hero

[copper fox]

Nah you keep all old ones

1000000%

[fierce elm]

LMFAO WE JUST TIED A ROUJND

aint no fucking way

[urban skiff]

guess that explains why people thought i was overreacting

[worldly oriole]

what should i push rbgs on

[urban skiff]

enh

make it hard

[urban skiff]

the curse of the short queue strikes again

[worldly oriole]

yeah ive tied rounds before @fierce elm

didnt know it was a thing

[urban skiff]

at least it was registered as a draw

When I did it on my new shaman, the other team got a win despite us getting the kill almost a full second earlier

at least a full draw won't lose you mmr

[copper fox]

@worldly oriole my fault I didn’t play BFA. They did seasonal rbg titles for bfa then got rid of them

[worldly oriole]

i did that legion

i got guardian season 3 of legion or smth

[copper fox]

Yea title doesn’t exist anymore period

[fierce elm]

how does a tie work even

[copper fox]

Can’t get it or have it

[urban skiff]

when it's your team it's a draw and when it's their team they get a win

[copper fox]

I’ve never tied

[worldly oriole]

got ya

[fierce elm]

yeah

both teams took an L round

lmfao

[copper fox]

Rip

[green wharf]

people are imaginating mage in the lobbies now

[urban skiff]

ask him if harry potter is in the room with us right now

[fierce elm]

This is ooking like a healer diff lobby

oof

[urban skiff]

CURSE

[green wharf]

blitz as bm is kinda lame, always have to sit while the team either win or lose

[urban skiff]

I could do with some afk-speccing right now

feels like I work my ass off only to always lose whatever spot I'm not at

[copper fox]

Healer dif + the tie is brutal

2-4?

[urban skiff]

maybe it's time to finally gear up my sub

[urban skiff]

2-3 you mean?

[copper fox]

He said they took a L

[green wharf]

the rogue that was seeing mages who didnt exist was sub

he got fucked so hard by the MM he though there was a mage there

[urban skiff]

the screenshot had 0 wins and 2 killing blows, that means nobody got a win

[green wharf]

MM burst is kinda insane right now but it needs proper set up

[copper fox]

But maybe everyone got a loss

[urban skiff]

true

[copper fox]

lol idk I never tied

Idk how it works

[green wharf]

[urban skiff]

I still think he's gonna walk with no diff mmr

[fierce elm]

2-1 rn

so 2-2 I guess

with the tie lmao

[copper fox]

I literally called 5-1 btw

It’s coming

MW + 2 locks = warrior 5-1 or 6-0

[green wharf]

dunno how people do demo in shuffle

what a nightmare

or destro i guess

[copper fox]

Demo is actually the easiest ss lock spec

[green wharf]

i bullied then so hard when i was doing fury

[copper fox]

It’s a pet sim

Well fury counters locks

Yea

[green wharf]

what melee doesnt

[fierce elm]

3-2

[copper fox]

Enhance, ww, DH

[fierce elm]

now time to play with the diffed healer lmao

[copper fox]

Win

4-2 still = 5-1 btw since tie so I win if you win

[green wharf]

[fierce elm]

naa

cant carry the healer diff lmao

healer went 0-6

[copper fox]

Fuck

[fierce elm]

Counted as a tie

but I also got rating

what

[copper fox]

Was it the MW 0-6

[fierce elm]

naa

[copper fox]

DAMN

[fierce elm]

MW was 5-1

The hpriest just got dumpstered

[copper fox]

I guess the tie counts as nothing

So it’s not a loss

[fierce elm]

yeah it was a draw in the screen

woulda been a 4-2 : (

[copper fox]

3-2 should give rating then

Yea

Rip

[fierce elm]

I got 12 rating lmao

[urban skiff]

wait what?

[copper fox]

Worth every minute of that 110 minutes you waited

[urban skiff]

enh can't counter demo?

[copper fox]

Lock^

[fierce elm]

Waited 2 minutes buddybopy

or 1 minute

lmao

[copper fox]

Not demo

Ohhh

Nice q

Huge

[urban skiff]

Good rating-per-queue-minute tbh

[copper fox]

Lock - enhance kind of cancel each other out (imo) so I don’t call it a counter

[copper fox]

Truth

[fierce elm]

I would like a big execute : (

I mean all I am doing rn is just getting some random legend wins

wanted to be like 20 or 25/100 today

[urban skiff]

permanently taking 20% less damage from either shadow or from all magic + also being able to decurse self at will seems kind of counter'y

[copper fox]

What’re you at

[fierce elm]

18

[copper fox]

Nice

[fierce elm]

Getting it before season end regardless

[urban skiff]

add in grounding and having damage scale up with pets

[fierce elm]

but wanna divide the grind

[copper fox]

You’re assuming you land every shear.
Port + gate + coil + slow + shadow fury + netherward…. If you are naming everything I’d call it a cancel out

I press metherward I cast on you for free

[pastel swan]

Is rog enh called piss cleave lmao

[urban skiff]

I mean i can Ghostwolf and run the other direction whenever lock gets annoying

[copper fox]

That’s not a counter tho… they def cancel each other out as classes. Enh better against demo for sure but lock in general nah

That being said

Lock sucks

lol

Tww lock so trash

But also if you ghost wolf and lay off pressure (same for all melee) lock solos your team

So

[urban skiff]

if my team too stupid to pull back from a warlock then that's their fault

[lavish quest]

Nerf locks

[urban skiff]

where in details do i see fight length?

[pastel swan]

Lmaooo. I just have intervene P1/2 what more can you ask for

[urban skiff]

I feel like I just dropped 4 tempests in the span of one ascendance

[urban skiff]

how do you intervene in pve then?

[fierce elm]

you dont

[urban skiff]

where is skillcapped getting these graphics from?

[cosmic field]

https://drustvar.com/flavor-of-the-month

[green wharf]

it works on blitz

[urban skiff]

thanks

what do I use this info for?

[green wharf]

unironically i think demon is "good", in a sense of, its the best the spec is since mop design wise

but it has so many flaws still and cant keep up with other classes

meta is sweaty fast paced, mobile

[sharp meteor]

Everything good in blitz

[green wharf]

and lock is hard casting everything

even their damn stun is a casting spell

[sharp meteor]

Ya get owned no more insta sf

[urban skiff]

enh so bad there's on record of them winning on EU in 2s above 1800

[green wharf]

and cant move, gate imo is a trash spell, teleport is meh

their movespeed bost eat away all their hp

[urban skiff]

ok it's very new data, nevermind

[sharp meteor]

Enh unplayable in 2s

[urban skiff]

enh absurdly fun in 2s, wdym

[green wharf]

thats why its fun

half of the time

[sharp meteor]

It Is the least fun in 2s

[green wharf]

other half is pain

[sharp meteor]

Awful spec

[urban skiff]

most, you don't rely on other specs to do all the work while you're there as a pity queue

[pastel swan]

Simple I don’t PvE

[green wharf]

based

[pastel swan]

I had to quit my lock bc the melee running rampant

[urban skiff]

imagine running anywhere

[copper fox]

@green wharf what doesn’t work on blitz

In

[fierce elm]

How come I get one fast queue per day

[pastel swan]

But I did get enjoyment out of VE spatial rifting, taking my long gate, then rifting back after the warrior leaps

[fierce elm]

and then its back to the 30+ minute suffering

[pastel swan]

That’s a good feeling

[pastel swan]

was ur 3-2 on Col

[fierce elm]

naaa

I aint tryna run colo into that

[pastel swan]

Fury still kinda fucks I noticed. Not ded

[fierce elm]

lmao

Enhance too

[pastel swan]

Radio silence

He’s either locked in or it’s an 0-6

[lavish quest]

It's afro

[copper fox]

That’s a 5-1 for you

[lavish quest]

0-6 every time

[copper fox]

He loses pally mage demo

[fierce elm]

Its a 0-6

[copper fox]

Tf

[fierce elm]

The paladin has performed one game

I am 1-5 LMAO

[copper fox]

lmfao damn

[lavish quest]

We're all washed

Except washed apparently

[fierce elm]

2-4 LMAO

Its joever guys

[sharp meteor]

Speak for yourself buddy

[fierce elm]

blitz doesnt count

[green wharf]

smf fury

[fierce elm]

Also whats up with people thinking warr can chase arcane

[sharp meteor]

Blitz I'd the only mode aside from 3s that matters

[fierce elm]

20/100 WINS LETS GO

[urban skiff]

sounds like a warrior lost to an enh

not a good look

[lavish quest]

Yeah... you've never washed... furry

[fierce elm]

Enhance was also 2-4 I think

or something like that

he was also s t r u g g l i n g

OH WELL

we go next

[lavish quest]

Huh? No way a slot machine is over any of the other modes

[sharp meteor]

Only real mode

[fierce elm]

Actually I am 20 wins now so I can stop

[sharp meteor]

[fierce elm]

e x i t g a m e

[lavish quest]

Gambling. Only real mode

[boreal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/riki-oh-fighting-games-fgc-you're-all-free-now-free-gif-6964005669626137134

[fierce elm]

just 80 rounds left woo

[copper fox]

Wrong

Bet you can still hit 3k with it in blitz

[lavish quest]

I don't think my war has even done enough rounds to get to 1800 despite playing 2100 mmr. Only done a few lobs

Chasing ranged simulator is not fun

[fierce elm]

The queue shit is fucking me up ngl

[urban skiff]

i mean if you lose to enh below 4k are you even winning

[fierce elm]

w h a t

[lavish quest]

He means below a 4k monitor

[green wharf]

bet you cant

[lavish quest]

You can. Blitz is playing slots till you win big

[urban skiff]

no you need 8k monitor to monitor all the ways enh kills you in a lasso stun

[lavish quest]

I do it as resto, but I do enjoy going LM, lassoing someone who walked nearish the edge then walking to them for the thunderstorm

[pastel swan]

Has anyone played fury? Seems fine to me. Although ya I have anywhere from like 3-6ish seconds of full slaughterhouse as opposed to prob 10-12 before

[green wharf]

100k bet

[lavish quest]

I have not played it since nerf. But can say it's

[lavish quest]

That's 2-3 boosts

Kek

[sharp meteor]

Blitz is the true test

Shuffle meme bracket

[pastel swan]

It does similar dmg it seems. Maybe a little less

[lavish quest]

Shuffle, if I kill harder, win chances goes up

Blitz, if I kill harder, win chances go down somehow

I swear that mode is the better I play the more I lose

[sharp meteor]

If you good at killing play 3s

[lavish quest]

Dmg wasn't the big change

[sharp meteor]

The other real bracket

[lavish quest]

3s

No one plays it

[sharp meteor]

Shuffle is reject bracky

[lavish quest]

Shuffle is 3s but I don't have to find overly emotional weirdos to queue with

I tried 3s in DF. Might as well have been tinder dating

[pastel swan]

Yeah still seems good tho

[green wharf]

boosts of what

that cheap?

[lavish quest]

MS is the issue

[pastel swan]

All you have to do is macro
/ignorenerfs to everything and it’s gg

[lavish quest]

M+ runs. Can get 20-60k per dung depending on key level n shiz

[lavish quest]

How do I get /banmages to work?

[spice hornet]

i like how there are 3 top 50 hpriests using the DF leg enchant lmao

[pastel swan]

https://tenor.com/view/imposibiru-gif-16389009832261511254

[lavish quest]

The tariffs hit hard fam

[green wharf]

i run all games with silver enchants and gems

[pastel swan]

Fury still does some of the highest ST dam in the game. So I think that counts for something

[green wharf]

still got what i wanted so its good

[lavish quest]

I don't even use enchants n grms on toons I'm getting 1800 sets on

Scam

Just play good

Profit

[sharp meteor]

Buncha brokies.

[lavish quest]

No, I'm a cheapskate, there's a difference

I have Iike 5mil

[sharp meteor]

Not even a cap

[lavish quest]

I only started using enchants in pve since I started boosting

[wheat jay]

Enchants are never the reason for your loss

[lavish quest]

Queuing up in the first place is

[lavish quest]

I did spend 1m on wow tokens last week

[pastel swan]

[wheat jay]

Real

https://tenor.com/view/grommash-sub-we-will-never-be-subbed-f2p-free-to-play-gif-24537014