pvp

[uneven lava]

i got bigger problems

[copper fox]

I play dragon warrior just to let the gnomes know they wasted their $ and or time making a gnome

When I win

[bright kraken]

ah

[uneven lava]

WW are invading our private spaces

[bright kraken]

disarm isnt worth running into them right?

[copper fox]

No it’s not

Oops

Wrong reply

[craggy geyser]

It’s ok I know which you mean

lol

[copper fox]

No it’s not

lol

[craggy geyser]

Oh nvm

[copper fox]

I was actually going to send you a playground address but in another part of the country

[sharp meteor]

naw doesnt rly do anyhting to monkos

they cant use fof parry but like thats more of a defensive a lot of the time so eh

good into mm rogue warrior fdk etc

[bright kraken]

@sharp meteor how do you counterplay aug

[uneven lava]

prot maybe

[sharp meteor]

dont get blown up by deep breath which is 2 min cd

spec is beans

[sharp meteor]

aug last thing u wanna see as prot

aside from mage

[uneven lava]

awful everything

[sharp meteor]

also prot went from like a tier to like c tier with nerfies pls dont play in the shuff

[copper fox]

You ignore them and cc during their CDs

[sharp meteor]

ya like they can sleep healer and have small mini goes every 30ish with ebon might but like

if u dont get 1 shot by deep breath opener ur probs fine

think of it like shorter duration dragonrage

budget dev

diet dragon

[copper fox]

Yea that go isn’t scary enough to make them a target imo

Lmao diet dragon

[sharp meteor]

ya they rly tanky chasing them is bait

spam kicking dev is good even if they're often bait

aug just troll target unless ur dragging a melee next to them for cleave

ignoring aff to hit aug is insanity

[copper fox]

Aff is prio target unless there’s a destro too lol

[uneven lava]

I'm just sick of everyone being good

[copper fox]

Games just easier

Everything lights up

Everything has a weak aura

Don’t need brain cells anymore

[sharp meteor]

everybody is terrible idk what u mean

[copper fox]

At 3k mmr blitz you have rets being capped on without bubbling

Real story

[sharp meteor]

ya blitz legit worst humans u have seen in ur life

[copper fox]

It’s insane

[sharp meteor]

shuff is just pressing every cd insta

[copper fox]

If you have more time to play wow you can be a r1 blitz player

It’s just games played

Unless you’re a bot

I saw a mage @ 1400 mmr my first game on a fresh spec yesterday he was 67-90 (something like that) lol

[rancid granite]

but what does r1 mean anyway in blitz

[sharp meteor]

means u were iwlling to play 300-500 bgs on that spec that seas

[copper fox]

I just said what it means. Means you can play more than the next guy lol

[sharp meteor]

theres like half a dozen specs that require u to be ok at the game

but yea rare title so cool c:

[rancid granite]

blitz #s are just a progress track for rewards not rating or mmr related

unless you're stuck like 1400 then it means you're bad

[copper fox]

There’s a handful of specs in blitz that makes the title impressive because it’s competitive

[sharp meteor]

everybody below title range in blitz is terrible

unironically

[fierce elm]

Anyone willing to queue blitz that isn't tired of being abused in SS is mentally unwell

as their main gamemode

[rancid granite]

blitz is to relax and be less serious

[uneven lava]

just admit you're hardstuck like the rest of us

[copper fox]

mm and sub rogue are 2 titles that I actually think are impressive in blitz because they’re competitive

[uneven lava]

BfA?

[fierce elm]

sus crop

SUS CROP

THAT IS A SUS CROP

[uneven lava]

FALSE

[sharp meteor]

[rancid granite]

@tribal holly when we getting emoji reactions so i can thumbs up emoji kennie's comment

[fierce elm]

SUS AS HELL

[rancid granite]

bruh sub rogue blitz is easy mode

[sharp meteor]

i mean ya but u gotta beat

3 good rogues

for title

which makes it not easy mode

ya feels

[rancid granite]

oh thats vs'ing otherr rogues not vs'ing blitz thats fair

nerds who stay up all night

[sharp meteor]

title only real thing in blitz

cos u get 2400 for breathing

and no rewards between 2400 and title

[rancid granite]

literally waking up as these late night blitz matches are ending

[sharp meteor]

ya late season pushies u gotta be up late

[uneven lava]

chill with the ego bro

[sharp meteor]

dont wanna get pulled down into some demonic 2900 mmr normie game

[sharp meteor]

wym its the truth

2400 blitz is AWFUL

[uneven lava]

have you ever gone 0/6?

[sharp meteor]

2700 blitz is AWFUL

[uneven lava]

in SS

[sharp meteor]

ye?

[uneven lava]

ok

[sharp meteor]

?

[uneven lava]

you passed

[sharp meteor]

everybody gets rancid lobbies

[uneven lava]

lest we forget

[sharp meteor]

all that matters is what u reach

or where u end

dependin

[copper fox]

Sub rogue r1 is not easy in blitz lmfao

It’s the hardest title to get

If you’re not Seth

[sharp meteor]

its freelo but hard title ya

although honestly like

even the most competitive titles only have a few people

and al ot of it just qing at 3 am

[copper fox]

@fierce elm how’s my crop job

[rancid granite]

lol

[sharp meteor]

3400 at 12th is insane

[worldly oriole]

how many games do u have

on 3400

[copper fox]

This was disc s1 DF

I was the last spot for r1

[sharp meteor]

that was crimson yaa

[copper fox]

I perma quit healing after this season btw

Healed my whole life

This broke me

[sharp meteor]

nice seas to retire

[copper fox]

Went warrior immediately

Lmao

[uneven lava]

quick make a reddit post about it

[copper fox]

Nah I had to stay awake almost 72 hours straight

For this title

Disc was omega competitive

[sharp meteor]

why u takin cleave dmg from every post

[copper fox]

S1

[sharp meteor]

u fightin for ur life at elite set mmr or som

[copper fox]

lol

[uneven lava]

yeah true

aight ill save it for SS

nite yall

[copper fox]

Lmao

Nice

You’re going BM there right

[sharp meteor]

ya hunter is op

[copper fox]

And kiting the fury

[sharp meteor]

walk at hunter cc warr on cds kill warr in damp after he walls air gg

or just through wall cos fury doesnt have real defensives

[copper fox]

Also valid

[sharp meteor]

[bright kraken]

no we killed the fury lol

[sharp meteor]

spent 5 mins chasing mage in 3s then was like

tabbing warr

and he exploded

[sharp meteor]

yuh

[copper fox]

Warrior swaps are hilarious

[sharp meteor]

hunter has 7 walls and 12 roots that dont dr

[bright kraken]

game two. we killed the fury

[bright kraken]

we didnt even swap we just tunneled the fury lmao

[copper fox]

Poor guy

Thats such a shit lobby for him lol

[sharp meteor]

ya fury no defensives gg

gotta q with caster to force them to chase them

[bright kraken]

@sharp meteor are you busy

[fierce elm]

Better

[urban skiff]

New totem idea:

Totem of Peace
Enemies who enter the area are immediately disconnected for the duration of the totem

Totem of Disarm
Enemies who stand in range of the totem when it expires are disarmed. They can recover their weapons at the front desk at the end of the round

how do I get these into ingame tooltips for a screenshot?

[sharp meteor]

naw just chillin n doin delves

[rancid granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0D-T-wxzCQ @urban skiff

[urban skiff]

lmao YESSS

Fuck yeah, big moran delivers

[sharp meteor]

not in actual arena he dont

[urban skiff]

I bet enh is super high on that list and the evoker from earlier was right about everything, I do just press cooldowns and something dies

[bright kraken]

can we vc in a momento

[rancid granite]

furry voicechat lets go

[sharp meteor]

hope u dont expect me to watch the shufflies

[rancid granite]

ill meet you both in

[sharp meteor]

im in a happy mood

[copper fox]

He’s old don’t be mean

[sharp meteor]

everybody in arena is old

[copper fox]

True I’m old

[rancid granite]

poor pikaboo the only kid playing with a buncha old people no wonder hes so good

[urban skiff]

Why do i play better on amphetamines

must be youth

[rancid granite]

such a wild list

ret B tier is lmao

[fierce elm]

Because Ret absolutely blows chunks

[urban skiff]

I get absolutely trucked by rets always at low ratings

[fierce elm]

like straighjt up lmao

[rancid granite]

the aspect of mashing buttons/cooldowns faster is a huge part of it

[urban skiff]

same with dks

[rancid granite]

the list is to get to 1800 tho

ret pally 1800 is as sleeper as fury

[urban skiff]

true

still boggles my mind it was easier to hit 1800 on enh than fury

must be because enh is OP as heck

[copper fox]

I actually think low rated ferals are ass

This list sucks

People @ low ratings FLOP to frost DK openers

Frost DK should be S tier

[urban skiff]

Met an UHDK earlier who just completely ripped

[boreal veldt]

this should be bannable

you sir are out of line

[urban skiff]

Ban jokes

[boreal veldt]

ban em

no funny allowed

[rancid granite]

where the macro folks at

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Bladestorm] Bladestorm; [@cursor] [known:Ravager] Ravager

[urban skiff]

Totem of Bless

Targets who enter the area are immediately yelled at to "Get off mah lawn" by an old man

[rancid granite]

any idea why this doesnt work

[fierce elm]

what the fuck is THIS

WDYM RAVAGER

[boreal veldt]

[urban skiff]

/cast [known:Bladestorm] Bladestorm; [@cursor;known:Ravager] Ravager

[rancid granite]

I LIKE TO DELVE

and the macro works for troar/spear

but not bs/ravager

[urban skiff]

your problem is you can't know ravager without knowing bladestorm

Bladestorm is replaced by Ravager when you learn Ravager

[boreal veldt]

why not just bs in delves too

[urban skiff]

@rancid granite

/cast [known:Bladestorm,@cursor] Bladestorm;

[rancid granite]

idk i copied murlok's M+ talents lol

[urban skiff]

this is enough

[rancid granite]

uhh ill try it

[worldly oriole]

ravager was a beast in legion

[rancid granite]

it does not work

[worldly oriole]

arms war just died at super high keys so it sucked

[fierce elm]

Yeah, tonypajams was r1 warrior in Legion

r1 m+

[boreal veldt]

murlok's m+ talents are troll, just run bladestorm

[fierce elm]

he was part of the winning MDI team

[worldly oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWMUNLZx200

back when i got a world first and only key

nbd

[fierce elm]

yeah

wold first mage

[worldly oriole]

im the dh in group XD

[fierce elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spwuqh8quGE

this is me

im the mage in the group xd

[worldly oriole]

lol

that mage doesnt sit in discords

he has better things to do

[fierce elm]

uhm that is me

thank you very much

[boreal veldt]

he's him

he pulled his hair out shortly after the mythic kill

[fierce elm]

yeah

thats me

[worldly oriole]

my alt mage is named imfiredup

so its actually me

i can prove it

[fierce elm]

I already did it

even more lies dawg

what the hell

[boreal veldt]

this discord cant handle any more lies and scandals

it's pure anarchy

[rancid granite]

these were all the kids in elementary school claiming their grandma was santa claus with such conviction and belief

[worldly oriole]

solo que saved this game

[copper fox]

Tony pajamas the 1200 gatekeeper

Guys got a new title daily

[worldly oriole]

I only play this game for the collectables

but you dont get anything for 1200

[stuck mulch]

you get status

[robust hearth]

the new classic wow raid in 3 hrs weps are nuts

need to add it i nretail for xmog

[exotic forge]

That's so clever

[robust hearth]

[exotic forge]

Funny how you can actually do that in the game

[robust hearth]

SoD Hype

[sharp meteor]

Can't even use 2s to gear alts or help friends gear without throwing 10 games in a row.

[spice hornet]

[urban skiff]

completely different people I'm facing in the evening hours

[sharp meteor]

we're only like 2100 or 2200 and get surv/pres

and im like bets its willy and solaria

and it is

[urban skiff]

what's it like knowing your competitors by name?

[sharp meteor]

bracket is DEADDDDDDDDDD

actually feels kind of good after damp change

[fierce elm]

it sucks

its all turbo fucking nerds

[fierce elm]

bro what is this

[sharp meteor]

[urban skiff]

I can soon name myself bigdam

my dam is big

[fierce elm]

Can I get this into words

[spice hornet]

Yep drops off hard after 2100. Crumb farming time

[fierce elm]

bigdam is only bigdam if he has like every r1 slot on alt shamans

[urban skiff]

b i g d a m

[sharp meteor]

Also a bit of mastery feels nice on Arms

[spice hornet]

Huge execute nice

[urban skiff]

People understand damage buckets in D4 but somehow it's a great mystery how multiplicative bonuses add up to more than the sum of the bonuses to WoW players 🥴

[uneven lava]

Yeah I'm starting to agree. It has got to the point where draining everything away from mastery and into haste isn't exactly how you play the game

[urban skiff]

arms has no bad stats, just spread your stats perfectly equally like syegfried

[sharp meteor]

It feels kind of simbaity because, like, haste is good for output but in pvp there's so much downtime and youre only gonna get 2-3 globals on a mage before they're gone again.

And now that topend is high enough to be threatening even crit isn't entirely awful but still not something I'd really build for.

[urban skiff]

if you wanted to get really nerdy about it, record a thousand games and take note of your exact amount of uptime every time you connect, then use that as breakpoint for haste

[sharp meteor]

Nah, depends on positioning, matchup, player, etc. Can't really put it down on paper.

[urban skiff]

Can with a sample size large enough, obviously not viable in the real world. But there's a perfect theoretical answer to how to allocate stats and someone smart would probably be able to approximate it

It's neat but yea

Like at work we have a large pile of dirt.

Some is contaminated = the entire pile is contaminated.

In reality only parts are contaminated, but nobody can draw the exact line through that pile to split it in clean and dirty

[sharp meteor]

No.

[rustic stag]

Guys, pleaseeee help

I'm looking at what gear I need on Murlok.io. However, everyone is running 2 set with 2 set on trinkets...

So is 4 set not worth it for Fury Warrior?

[sharp meteor]

4pc on Fury seems on the underwhelming side.

4pc on Arms looks more enticing and a lot of people while on limited conq are gonna do a bit of a mix so

[sharp meteor]

"2 set on trinkets"..?

[rustic stag]

I must of worded it wrong, You get that set bonus with trinkets

[rustic stag]

So no point pushing 4 set as Fury warrior and get 2 set and leave it?

[urban skiff]

look at individuals on murlokio, not the overall stats

[rustic stag]

Yeah I looked at top 5 and saw them running 2 set, So I thought was I do something wrong when looking but thanks to Kennie sounds like no point pushing 4 set

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, you play insignia/medallion on everything.

[sharp meteor]

Probably.

If you play 4pc and skip legs it's...maybe? Okay? And utilize the procs well?

It seems so underwhelming, though.

[urban skiff]

It's not like accidentally getting crit doesn't benefit fury outside cooldowns

depending on spec you still have high crit dam mod

and crit is a funky stat where the more you get, the more each percent is worth so it's not like a bit of extra crit is bad during cooldowns

[rancid granite]

zercher/kennie just describing bless's crit/mast built

guy was ahead of his time

all i know is at a certain point going haste on arms feels like it does nothin

and no tclap/rend slayer is kinda legit

[hot solstice]

What’s with discord on pc?

[urban skiff]

I keep advocating for the buckets

discord apparently close to dead, now is the time to queue

[exotic forge]

Might play without rend, cuz most of the time it feels like a dead button

And outside of keeping rogues unstealthed I don't get much use out of it

[rancid granite]

saw an ad when i logged on the other day; it was an awful omen

[rancid granite]

id prob assume it'll be not bad if you go colossus anyway, but idk

less tclap = more slammin

[urban skiff]

or there's a tariff on whatever service discord uses

[rancid granite]

im ready for AIM 2

[slim saffron]

next patch

[sharp meteor]

pumped to get twilight dev (passive 0.4% dmg proc)

[slim saffron]

Corruptions suck, but Wrecking Throw is getting a huge buff

[violet fossil]

You should try it

I’ve been playing without rend and tclap

[spice hornet]

How did you remember I posted that lmao

[violet fossil]

yes

[slim saffron]

I didn't, I was actually searching for one of my own posts and that was the last time it was otherwise mentioned xD

[urban skiff]

am i a big boy yet?

fighting 2k teams

[slim saffron]

but yeah the change kinda flew under the radar, cause the spell data is written weirdly, but Wrecking Throw is getting a 6x buff - it hits harder than baseline Mortal Strike or Execute on the PTR

[urban skiff]

where are the patch notes for 11.1.5?

[slim saffron]

before the 500% / 750% shield damage amp

[spice hornet]

Nice

[violet fossil]

wtf lol

[slim saffron]

Week to week PTR Notes here; there aren't any launch notes yet
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1115-ptr-development-notes/2071829/7

I don't think the Blizz notes even mentioned it either

[violet fossil]

yeah haven’t seen anything about wrecking throw

[slim saffron]

cause the data for that particular spell is written in a weird way, it's kind of hidden

[violet fossil]

damn

would it just kill the shield or go past it?

[slim saffron]

I tested it a long time ago and if I remember correctly it does not overflow

[violet fossil]

dang

[slim saffron]

however I think the base damage still goes through if the shield breaks

so say you deal 100k damage normally

• the shield would take 500k damage
• if the shield breaks, I believe the target still takes the base 100k as well, though that damage isn't amped by the shield bonus

But it's been a long time since I bothered to look at it

[violet fossil]

Im sure that’s how it still works

[sharp meteor]

Oh, that's cool. I missed that.

[slim saffron]

Yeah I think everyone did, haven't seen anyone talking about it except me and Krisp on the PvE side

[urban skiff]

weird in what way? is this something that could potentially affect other things written in the same weird way?

[slim saffron]

potentially yes, but they aren't so no

[slim saffron]

for comparison, this is my Mortal Strike (as Colossus, Slayer's is quite a bit weaker) on the same character

so MS dealing ~820k
Wrecking Throw dealing 640 * 750% (with demolition) = 5.44m vs shields

[fierce elm]

Wrecking throw does not overflow in PvP

from my experience

Unless they changed it into TWW

[slim saffron]

Yeah I'm 100% positive that the shield amp damage doesn't overflow
what I'm not sure about is whether the target also takes the initial (base/unamped) damage if the shield breaks - I believe it does

[fierce elm]

It does take the base damage of it

which was never noteworthy before this

[rancid granite]

regardless; does it make it a must-have talent then if it goes thru

[fierce elm]

But the amped damage is just vanish, gone, never existed once the shield is goneso

[slim saffron]

Yeah, that part I was certain about... it would be quite scary otherwise lmao

[fierce elm]

Every class that has an absorb just dies

[slim saffron]

Guess it depends on what you're facing; I'm about the furthest thing from a PvP expert that there is, but I would think that it should ruin a few people's day

[fierce elm]

Its a pretty strong talent if that is the case

since right now it doesnt break the most basic shields

[urban skiff]

@fierce elm @sharp meteor @wheat jay

My wife wants to know why it's an accomplishment to play at 1800 rating with an enh+disc in 2s

bla bla yadda yadda not an achievement baby lvl etc 🙂

[fierce elm]

It would negate Mistweavers biggest cooldown type of shit

[sharp meteor]

cos u passively get smashed by almost every meta comp

[rancid granite]

wrecking throw skills is such a letdown that its not used rn so i hope they come into play

[slim saffron]

Patch 11.1.0: shield noises
Patch 11.1.5: What Oracle?

[fierce elm]

Pretty much lmao

[sharp meteor]

any ms/healer just owns enh

u dont have kit to just trade into them

nor get kited

[slim saffron]

also with Demolition it's on a 30s CD, which is very reliable

[sharp meteor]

so enh is like u cheeseball 1 bang somebody

[fierce elm]

I am assuming that was with Demo amp

or was that without the demolotion amp

[urban skiff]

that's a nice way to put it though, appreciate the response. I'll pass on

[fierce elm]

mostly wondering if I can just flat out one shot cocoon because fuck these leather wearers

[slim saffron]

Demo increases it from 500% -> 750% and reduces the CD from 45 -> 30

So even without Demo it's really potent, but I have no idea what the state of other PvP talent competition is

[sharp meteor]

enh just has an incomplete kit for the mode and the only enhs you'll see are some disc/enh playing big ascend 1 shot spec where they get pi dark arc and 2-hit people or enh dps where they do the same thing but run between

[urban skiff]

sir i resent that accusation

that's at least 3 hits

[sharp meteor]

playing standard games into rogue, warrior, hunter, mage, etc, just has the enh getting crushed

[fierce elm]

God if only they had a cute roadmap for all the spaghetti in the code of abilities

I would pay to see it

[slim saffron]

it's kinda funny looking at the spell data regularly, cause you can start to tell which dev did what

some that never use wowtools and just hard script everything, others that routinely forget specific flags

[sharp meteor]

yo why isnt the 100% buff to rally in pvp working

some guy is saying they applied it to an old version of rally

[fierce elm]

Such as the what was it, 15% buff to execute?

[urban skiff]

or primordial wave casting the shadowlands version on pvp dummies in TWW

[sharp meteor]

oh yeah couldnt use prim wave on some stuff

[fierce elm]

That turned it from like a 1.5-2 million crit to 3.5-4 million

explain that

[sharp meteor]

like u couldnt send it on cross faction teammates you were playin with

despite every other spell workin

[slim saffron]

PvP specific tuning is always wild, cause they end up making completely new effects

[fierce elm]

Its crazy lmao

[wheat jay]

Do you believe it to be an accomplishment?

You're enjoying wowo with waifu

[fierce elm]

I love it

[wheat jay]

Thats a win for me man

[fierce elm]

you never know how mcuh 15% is until a warrior trucks you

[urban skiff]

I want to believe it is, because we just barely scraped up to 1800 playing enh+disc last season on the final weeks of it

And now we're soaring up with the least meta (but still sorta meta) comp possible

[slim saffron]

there is no PvP only modifier in the spell data

so when they reduce something by 15% in PvP, what they actually do is reduce the baseline and then add a new effect increasing it by 15% only in PvE instead

[urban skiff]

was one crit away from beating the 2k team

[wheat jay]

5head

[fierce elm]

Yeah, we noticed that

[slim saffron]

it's a fucking mess lol

[fierce elm]

There are multiple times spells slip through

and its great every time lmao

[wheat jay]

Yep, enjoy it

[slim saffron]

and they often leave in old shit, yeah

[urban skiff]

Blizz are code hoarders

[sharp meteor]

Oh ew

[wheat jay]

Wish they could have left Ancient Aftercock

[urban skiff]

won't throw anything out until someone in a suit makes them

[fierce elm]

The twenty year old game is trying its best

[urban skiff]

Chain Harvest for me

[wheat jay]

Instead of doghsit roar and horseshit spear

[wheat jay]

Ok but we're talking warrior

[urban skiff]

SMF THANE is also warrior

[wheat jay]

But I guess demolish is aftershock now kinda

[wheat jay]

Sure buddy

[violet fossil]

in the warrior cord

[slim saffron]

Arma and I were beating out heads together trying to figure that out
for example, the Fury spec aura has three effects buffing/nerfing Bladestorm damage

[fierce elm]

what the fuck is this lmao

Blizzard what the hell

[sharp meteor]

[violet fossil]

Spaghetti code

[sharp meteor]

I suppose it makes sense how bugs or incorrect stuff fly under the radar for months or years

[wheat jay]

Bro what fhe hell is this unholy lasagna of buffs and nerfs?

[sharp meteor]

when it's just a mess of auras

[violet fossil]

Das y people be lagging

[wheat jay]

I still think shadowlands had funniest bugs in pvp

[sharp meteor]

like shamans speccin into their avoidance talent which actually increased their aoe dmg taken somehow

[wheat jay]

And interactions

[sharp meteor]

or in bfa how sockets made you take more dmg cos they increased your ilev which made enemies hit you harder to compensate for your superior "gear"

im like dang im not feelin these 20 sockets dawg

[wheat jay]

Also, doesnt hunter have a talent that makes black arrow be usable at 100-80%, when the skull itself already does that?

[fierce elm]

Oh yeah the fucking scaling from BfA was a wild time period

Arguably the wildest time in terms of gearing in PvP

[wheat jay]

You mean corruptions oneshotting people out of nowhere

In awc?

[fierce elm]

No this was before this

this was season 1 stuff

[wheat jay]

Oh ok ok

[fierce elm]

ISAW THAT

[slim saffron]

effect 1 reduces all Fury spell damage by 8%
effect 2 reduces all Fury spell periodic damage by 8%
effect 6 increases Fury Bladestorm damage by 18% (not in PvP)
effect 17 decreases Fury Bladestorm damage by 15%

[fierce elm]

holy fuck what

[violet fossil]

if you can explain.. how do all those buffs/nerfs work? Does it apply already or

[wheat jay]

Periodic dmg being dots, or?

[slim saffron]

yeah, dots are handled differently than normal damage, so they have a separate modifier

[fierce elm]

Daily I wonder how WoW hasn't burned down

[violet fossil]

is bladestorm a dot…

[wheat jay]

Sheesh

[fierce elm]

It really is held together with ducttape and hope

[wheat jay]

Addicts

[slim saffron]

no

[wheat jay]

Like us

[violet fossil]

I’m playing

[wheat jay]

Btw afro tomorrow im free

Liberated

Relaxing

[fierce elm]

I got some time tomorrow for getting M+ BOOSTED

[wheat jay]

Last day of my sub

[fierce elm]

oh my lord

[wheat jay]

Same as pvp hmm?

[fierce elm]

need to get my 3 dungeons DONE

[wheat jay]

You ape

[slim saffron]

anyway, I figured yall'd wanna hear about the Wrecking Throw thing early, before the rest of the world finds out

[fierce elm]

We do

We did

How long until one of you nerds SNITCH

Give us at least a day of memeing around with it

[slim saffron]

wym, I'm tweeting it right now

[fierce elm]

goddamnit

My favorite is when MUD has told the devs that warrior right now has two fear breaks

and he got ghosted

that was pretty funny

[slim saffron]

lol that bug has been around for ages too

[fierce elm]

Its hilarious

[violet fossil]

he’s not smexxin that’s y

[fierce elm]

At this point I think they leave it in because they cant fix it

but I don't know enough about this stuff

[violet fossil]

Isn’t that the case tho

I thought anyway

[slim saffron]

idk about that one specifically, but if it's an engineering-level bug that they can't fix themselves, there's a high chance it won't get fixed until a major patch or expansion

engineer time is much more precious, so they're just not gonna bother prioritizing something that minor

[fierce elm]

Cant wait to read a patch note for Midnight where all it says is "Fixed warrior having two berserkers rage"

lmao

Its not like its giga-impacting any content

[slim saffron]

I can't wait to read a patch note in Midnight that says "Made Berserker Shout no longer complete shit (in PvE)"

[fierce elm]

for now

[sharp meteor]

wish commander range was just built into berserker shout

standing on top of my healer getting feared a different way and immediately pressing it sometimes doesn't break it

smadge

[sharp meteor]

ya kind of niche isnt it

[slim saffron]

yeah the range is abysmal

[sharp meteor]

like last seas there was first boss in uhhh

whats the pixie dungeon

mists

[slim saffron]

Mists

it's kinda like Wrecking Throw, it might be nice to have, but is it really worth spending a talent point (or two) on something you'll press once per dungeon or raid encounter?

[urban skiff]

they'll make it double effects on battleshout and make it mandatory instead

[sharp meteor]

having ur whole squad pixel stack to break a 2 sec fear or w/e kind of fringe

[sharp meteor]

ye thought them adding shields to more stuff was neat but wrecking seemed like either hard to reach or underwhelming dmg in general

so buff is neato

[slim saffron]

Blizz isn't going to design a fear effect oppressive enough that you need Berserker Shout or Tremor to counter it, or else it fucks over every group that doesn't have a War/Shaman

So most of the time it's better to just let people eat the fear and take a better talent instead

[sharp meteor]

demo buffed it to like 1000% in sl so if you colo smashed and conq bannered you could throw your little weapon and pop a monk cocoon and the dmg carried through

so a half health monk just gets 1 shot by a wrecking through cocoon

[slim saffron]

even post buff, Wrecking Throw is gonna be pretty minor in PvE - it might be ~1% of your damage on Gallywix, which isn't really worth two talent points

but if you do take it, at least you can use it as an occasional ranged filler

[fierce elm]

Cant wait to negate MW even further

[sharp meteor]

knock mage shield off while being kited

curb stomp lock harder than we already do woo

[boreal veldt]

we live in wild times, but my disdain for haste is timeless

[rancid granite]

i assume its mainly a universal hate

my rogue being like 11% crit 2% haste 94% mastery is

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[fierce elm]

Gearing my rogue rn

it feels weird

[boreal veldt]

thats an insane stat line and i love it

[rancid granite]

outlaw still gets up to like 20% crit too which is cool

[boreal veldt]

i just like crit

it's a fun rng for me

and when i crash out missing every 50/50 of demolish during ava torment + spear + demo

peak

[wheat jay]

Can we kill with wrecking thtow again?

[fierce elm]

maybe

who knows

have to see

[wheat jay]

Like in shadowlands where the overkill on shiield would just nuke the hp bar

[boreal veldt]

i like the idea of jump scaring disc priests and warlocks again

and anything that revives a dead button is good

i don't even take shatter much

[fierce elm]

I havent taken shatter once

[boreal veldt]

it's just better to swap targets

[fierce elm]

since coming back to warr this season

[wheat jay]

Even last season

In hpala meta

And frost mage being broken as fuck

Noone played shatter xD

[frank knoll]

Does Outlaw still require a MENSA IQ to play

[fierce elm]

Naaa

[rancid granite]

just some caffeine

[fierce elm]

Slam 800mg of caffeine

blast hardstyle

90% there

[frank knoll]

I remember people saying you needed an AI computer brain to do optimal damage

[fierce elm]

Eh

just a lot of stuff to keep track of

[rancid granite]

keep track of what lol

get a WA for roll the bones

[frank knoll]

I’ve always thought of Outlaw as being more of an annoying spec that ccs and gets CDs back faster

With consistent damage

[fierce elm]

Remember to roll, remember to hit your cooldown reduced stuff, the same rogue stuff that happens, react to you being fucked by RNG on BtE

[rancid granite]

just fury on steroids

RTB WA is epic though

[fierce elm]

it is lmao

tbh I kinda wanna learn sub

[rancid granite]

but fury on steroids + need to do rogue shit with the cc so it's a bit extra

sub EZ

[frank knoll]

My melee blitz Alt will be a rogue spec of some sort

Warrior is boring in blitz

[urban skiff]

If overkill carries over, won't the smaller shield be better to hit into?

So hit into their shield with all your might and then throw on the last global before it expires

[boreal veldt]

Yep that was the play

You could also hilariously one shot yourself into a pally's revenge shield or w/e it's called lol

[fierce elm]

shield of vengeance

[robust hearth]

climbed out of ELO hell chat 100% solo

[fierce elm]

SUS CROP

[fierce elm]

Hunter smh

[robust hearth]

post nerfed

[fierce elm]

s m h

[robust hearth]

shake dat ass instead

[boreal veldt]

that was my second guess

[spice hornet]

What do we craft unity leggo power

[copper fox]

11/12 huge week

[exotic forge]

Painbringer Helmet

[frail ice]

helping a warrior friend out - what pvp trinkets are best? i'm assuming the cc one and ?

ty

[fierce elm]

Medallion + Insignia

[sharp meteor]

Insignia regardless of spec/talents.

[frail ice]

do humans still take medallion?

yeah right?

[rancid granite]

yeap

medallion + will to survive combo rocks

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

[frail ice]

ty all

idk he doesn't want to get it , i've told him he's being an idiot

but ty

[sharp meteor]

What is he using lol

Badge is crit and 60 seconds doesn't really align with any of our buttons

[exotic forge]

Badge is more burst inclined but it doesn't line up with any of our cds

Insignia is better all around but random

[rancid granite]

will to survive up 30secs before medallion cooldown is up and puts it on a shorter cd or whatever

[spice hornet]

Imagine not playing gnome

[worldly oriole]

they gotta bring back island expeditions

[sterile moth]

Ugh no thanks

[spice hornet]

Those were mid

[spice hornet]

@sharp meteor

[vivid pumice]

anyone got a link to the pvp patch notes?

[sharp meteor]

biggg

[boreal veldt]

i really think there should be a 5% increased crit chance for MS/Cleave baked somwhere into colossus

[spice hornet]

Biggest fury execute I’ve seen

[robust hearth]

i see fury is pumping

fury be 1 shotting ppl in 3 globals

had a ww monk 1 shot me from full HP

his name is icarryashido

[bright kraken]

Formal notice to windwalker mains to go choke on a cheesegrater

[urban skiff]

did you try hitting them harder?

[bright kraken]

im trying to hit them as hard as i can without just flopping outside of defensives

[urban skiff]

You should just go ahead and hit them harder

[stuck mulch]

holy shit that amount of blitz would make me dangle in the rafters

[robust hearth]

had to climb myself abck outta ELO hell

[stuck mulch]

was that on a hunter or did i read wrong

[robust hearth]

hunter

100% solo

no duo healer

[bright kraken]

2277 to 2126

im uninstalling i swear

[spice hornet]

Reapmon is a jumpscare

[urban skiff]

wdym?

isn't it normal to do 10,5m damage in 2 seconds?

[spice hornet]

That only works on comp stomp bots

[stuck mulch]

mm or chad bm?

what do u get from 2400 in blitz aswell?

[urban skiff]

tbh it was on a mw who had just bubbled his partner

and he had plenty of time to do something but I guess the static totem threw him off

https://wowarenalogs.com/match?id=9b890d7fca8857e690535f402b390057&roundId=undefined

actually you can watch the replay, it's pretty weird that they were both elite players

[robust hearth]

MM, same as any rated 2400 except if u get 25 wins from games above 2400 u get FoS acheivment strategist and u get a cool flag pendant tht glows and a seasonal title called Strategist

[onyx marlin]

what kind of shit is this

[fierce elm]

thats a chaosbolt

its a spellcast

[urban skiff]

imagine if you had spellreflected that with the pvp talent though

[sharp meteor]

Rebound a bolt in kotmogu and the lock disappears

[onyx marlin]

bro that shit almost unistalled my windows

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/wbb-we-bare-bears-grizz-run-think-gif-18161053130643715289

POV: you're fighting a balance druid

[copper fox]

Real

[urban skiff]

Did you know people eat more bananas than monkeys?

[fierce elm]

I assume people generally eat more of something than most animals

because there are a lot of people out there

Its an unfair fight tbh

[copper fox]

I eat 3 bananas a day

Lmao

[rancid granite]

did you know the right way to peel them is from the tip and not the stem?

[copper fox]

Yea not happening

[elfin surge]

lol

[fierce elm]

Did you know @rancid granite peels my tip

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/peeling-monkey-banana-gif-5663351

[bright kraken]

how do you counterplay demo?

[sand sundial]

stick to them like glue

be aware where they might be kiting you

use mobility mindfully

they wanna run away from you

[bright kraken]

what if there's a higher priority ranged like aff or mage?

or if your teammate is a ranged

[sand sundial]

if there is mage, cry and hope for the best

in shuffle its better to stick to the weakest link to exploit them

its a team game after all; your team should look to enable you as well, and you them

affli is a little harder to deal with but if you keep up they will eventually have to hard cast a few things

[bright kraken]

the shuffle i was just in was sub/aff/demo

granted im survival but my issue here is fundamentals, not class utility lol

[sand sundial]

hmm, between demo/affli I would go after affli and just switch to demo when he ports away

[worldly oriole]

guys I'm almost 2100 on my windwalker in solo

[sand sundial]

with rogue you can sit on anyone you decide anyway

[bright kraken]

alright

yeah, just went 2-4 so :/

[bright kraken]

grats ^~^

get ittt

[sand sundial]

watch replays

immensely helpful

[sand sundial]

ez 2100 today

[worldly oriole]

windwalker has been my easiest push so far

but I think I basically started with max gear

my other guys I yolo qued with greens

[lavish quest]

Mage isn't higher prio. They impossible to touch so I usually just ignore em

[copper fox]

Tony Pajamas the wind walker in full gear

[bright kraken]

1. I'm a hunter

[lavish quest]

2. You asking wrong discord

ragey

[fierce elm]

prove it

[copper fox]

Tony Pajamas the potentially lying wind walker

[rancid granite]

i've surpassed this seasons fury peak as ARMS

arms meta it is

[jovial torrent]

u gotta match fury and arms, just to be sure, every 100 rating switch

[rancid granite]

went up and down on both for a while lol

oh wait fury is 2221

but dropped to 2k

[jovial torrent]

i just wish my old healers could have reset mmr, playing 2.1k mmr when the build/meta has completely changed is stressful

just want my 1800 mog and to dip

[rancid granite]

whats the mmr doing

in that role

[copper fox]

Tony pajamas I just pulled 640x2 beltless but I don’t have proof so did I actually do it

[worldly oriole]

hell ya

I don't deadlift

[copper fox]

Damn dude all the best bodybuilders deadlift

[worldly oriole]

I do romanian deads straight leg deads goodmornings and back extension

[copper fox]

Mans lacking thiCCCness

[jovial torrent]

MW monks just miserable at 2k mmr, everyone grounds my lightning, get chain cc'd and u cant really do much against it as monk

also no precog gem cus reforging stupidly deletes it

[worldly oriole]

landmine rdl broski

ezbar straight leg deadlift

[copper fox]

Brother you need to grab a barbell. That landmine rdl restricts so much lol

[jovial torrent]

im guna start deadlifting again soon probably, im torn between focusing squats or deadlift

[copper fox]

Both

[jovial torrent]

i do full body split atm so kind of have to choose which i wana focus mainly

[worldly oriole]

ye but I don't landmine rdl forever

stopped at 4 plates

I need a new gym. and the safety bar

for xercher ssb goodmorning

[jovial torrent]

honestly i need to just invest in a good bar and some plates at home to push deadlift in off days

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fergie-black-eyed-peas-myhumps-gif-4084440

[worldly oriole]

243lb pause front squat

done that for 6 reps

[copper fox]

Hope that’s not the low point of the squat buddy

Otherwise that’s a paused knee bend

[worldly oriole]

lmaoo bodybuilders don't care as much about depth

it's pretty deep too

[copper fox]

Lmfao ok

Extremely false but alright

That’s high af

[worldly oriole]

no it's not

[spice hornet]

Bro that’s a half squat

[copper fox]

Yes it is there’s really no conversation

You aren’t even getting the full stretch reflex of your quads there which is what your “bodybuilders” need the most

[spice hornet]

Wait you don’t do knee day?

[copper fox]

True true Wednesday is knee day

Tony pajamas couldn’t find a video of a real bodybuilder squatting that high if we paid him

[spice hornet]

😂

[copper fox]

Gj man I’m not looking to go any further if your not receptive to feedback I’m not looking to beat you down about it

lol

Because it’s too easy with these

[worldly oriole]

lol this guy's a troll

[copper fox]

I squat over 700lbs

Who’s the troll

And I’m a ref I’ve judged squats from every body type you can imagine

[worldly oriole]

bodybuilding doesn't have refs or depth police

your judged on how you look

[exotic forge]

In Zyzz we trust

[copper fox]

Your squats are high af and you’re not replicating any bodybuilder worth replicating and you couldn’t prove it if you tried

[exotic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-son-of-zeus-gif-18026445

[copper fox]

Not only that since you opened this up. You’re not a bodybuilder. You’re a dude in the gym probably getting shit advice from other bums

[spice hornet]

Damn people still remember zyzz? I remember that from like 2009 when I was in 9th grade

[copper fox]

Mans a legend

[worldly oriole]

I'm studying to become a personal trainer

thinking about it atleast

[copper fox]

That’s even worse you should be HIGHLY receptive to feedback then

[jovial torrent]

they use him in alot of gym songs/shorts ect

so ppl still see him alot if ur into the gym

[urban skiff]

no it's because we don't eat monkeys

[spice hornet]

Ah cool. I still lift just don’t keep up with fitness pop culture

[worldly oriole]

methyltren prolly weighs sub 200 irl

and tries to tell others how to get big 😂

[copper fox]

LOL

yea dude you got me

I probably deadlift more than you can squat and deadlift together

[worldly oriole]

how much can you rdl

[copper fox]

585 for sets of 8-10
Honestly the worst accessory you could have challenged me on

[worldly oriole]

bodybuilder doesn't use accessories

[copper fox]

OK MOVEMENT*

Lmfao

It’s a fucking name you’re a bum

Stop calling yourself a bodybuilder

You’ve never competed

[worldly oriole]

lol I'm a casual bodybuilder why u upset

i think competing is not for me.

[spice hornet]

[copper fox]

I’m not upset I’m baffled by your existence

[spice hornet]

he has to be trolling

[copper fox]

Also if you’re trolling me you succeeded

[copper fox]

Agree

[spice hornet]

but maybe not, the warrior discord #pvp channel has always had some fascinating creatures

[worldly oriole]

lol also every big bodybuilder started somewhere

[copper fox]

Hell yea dude

[worldly oriole]

I need money. so I started lifting and going to school for exercise science. thinking about working at a gym

rich piana made 200k us a year for training people

[copper fox]

They started with test… usually end up using methyl tren 3 weeks out

[jovial torrent]

u dont wana be like rich lol

[copper fox]

What do you mean he’s the perfect role model

[worldly oriole]

never said I did

just said he made good money

[jovial torrent]

i did like his videos but would never wana actually do what he did

[copper fox]

Rip the king #5%

[boreal veldt]

theres always rich lil old ladies looking for fellas to help em with personal training

[copper fox]

Yea if you live in a decent area it’s easy to make 100k+ as a PT

[worldly oriole]

hell ya

I got my 2 year degree for exercise

[copper fox]

I did it until I got my DPT and even then was making bank in school

[fierce elm]

lmao what the fuck is this chat

Tonypajamas hitting us with another famous troll

Idk if you can call yourself a bodybuilder if you have the lifts of a novice t b h

[worldly oriole]

I'm pretty sure Samson dauda doesn't lift crazily high amounts of weights compared to me

[rancid granite]

what rating are you in the gym tony

[jovial torrent]

bodybuilder, its just above gladiator, only he has reached it so far

[rancid granite]

🫡

[copper fox]

Tony pajamas just compared himself to this guy @fierce elm

[worldly oriole]

that guys on gear

probably been on gear for awhile

[rancid granite]

looks like a good ad for buying belts

[fierce elm]

He absolutely does

and is capable of doing so

[copper fox]

Hey Tony here’s your idol squatting to dept

[fierce elm]

lmao

[copper fox]

Unlike you

And he’s a real bodybuilder

[fierce elm]

Samson Dauda has the craziest lifts for a bodybuilder with the standard of Mike Israetel

He is literally form flawless

[jovial torrent]

🦞

[copper fox]

If this guy was natty he would still be 10x stronger and bigger than you brother

[worldly oriole]

I weigh 280 right now

[copper fox]

You’re fat tho

[fierce elm]

Me too brother

[copper fox]

I’m talking about lean tissue

[copper fox]

Same

[fierce elm]

God Samson Dauda just looks so fucking good

its crazy

[copper fox]

You ever wake up and see the outline of 2 potential top abs and you’re like hmm maybe I can do this

[fierce elm]

Also yeah those are some high squats

[copper fox]

Then you eat pizza and you’re like nvm

[fierce elm]

I wont judge you though, you do w.e you want at the gym

[copper fox]

I agree but the man was flexing it

Idc how he squats

[jovial torrent]

was the 2024 olympia close

or is it looking like he will go on a streak

[worldly oriole]

wasn't really flexing it. just talking to people on the internet haha

it's still a pretty good lift tho

[fierce elm]

Its a low-intermediate lift at your BW

like, not even tryna bring you down here or even like bully you

I am only saying this because you personally say you bodybuild and have gotten further than pure novice steps

[copper fox]

Yea @ 280 it’s definitely on the low end but also you really will get stronger much faster by squatting a bit lower

[worldly oriole]

bodybuilders are heavier than the regular man haha you don't get judged by a bodyweight chart on your lifts lol

[jovial torrent]

to be fair the BW charts are shit,like if ur not high bf%, 200 pounds skinny fat is guna lift alot less than 200 lean muscle

[copper fox]

Brother….

[fierce elm]

If your best front squat is 280x6 at 280

[worldly oriole]

the pause makes the lift harder

[fierce elm]

yes

thank you

[copper fox]

Nothing makes that harder because you squatted it a mile high

As I displayed with samsons squat. Yours is high

Even for bodybuilders

For everyone

Only LeBron James would approve

[fierce elm]

Squished calf entirely or it aint count

Taint to ground

[copper fox]

I mean at least 90 for quad stretch reflex

[fierce elm]

Im kidding

But yeah its high

[copper fox]

To engage the quad enough for growth

[fierce elm]

Its high, because you either dont have the mobility or the strength

[worldly oriole]

ye the squat is alittle high

when I swapped to zombie squatting

my depth went higher

[fierce elm]

Because you dont have the mobility

[worldly oriole]

ye prolly

[fierce elm]

I mean your form do be kinda wild

judging purely from this picture

You are probs getting a better lower back pump than legs

[copper fox]

Facts

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/butt-ass-booty-gif-8757237

[fierce elm]

Your torso is too much forward, your elbows are too low, your position isn't stacked

Your are treating it like a normal low bar squat just that you have the weight on the front

which is wrong

[copper fox]

Yea that hinge would be fine for a low bar

[fierce elm]

Photoshop the bar out and the arms and you couldn't fell if it was front or back squat

Which aint good

[jovial torrent]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-19-2023/eoNh_W.mp4 keep that up and this could be you!

[fierce elm]

lmao love that dude

[jovial torrent]

i need to check out some of his more reecent stuff, been a while

[fierce elm]

Its mostly just the same stuff

but he is getting the cash

[green wharf]

[worldly oriole]

is fortnite free for pc

[urban skiff]

brother, we all compete against ourselves

[urban skiff]

free virus

[worldly oriole]

lol

do yu really get hacked when u dl fortnite

[fierce elm]

yes

[worldly oriole]

EZiest duelist of my life just then

lol

[rancid granite]

freakin monks

gg's grats

definitely a fun class

[worldly oriole]

lol

my last glad was on windwanker

dh was my og main

[fierce elm]

Yeah sure buddy

You are so good champ!

[worldly oriole]

lol thank u bro

[spice hornet]

what are you guys using for tracking diminishing returns on yourself/teammates? I literally have standard UI but Diminish addon puts things all over the place..seems so buggy

[worldly oriole]

some guy just got offended i said i almost got r1 before and removed me from group

i use omnibar for tracking kidney etc

[spice hornet]

I want to see dimishing returns tho, like on spammable CC

[fierce elm]

There is a friendly arena frame that shows it

I have forgotten the name though

[worldly oriole]

im really bad with tracking that now a days

[rancid granite]

just dl skillcapped 👍

[fierce elm]

Yeha not like in your PRIME tonypajamas

[worldly oriole]

i used to use sarena but that addon wont work for me annymore

[fierce elm]

It doesnt do that no?

[worldly oriole]

gladius addon shows scuffed drs

[rancid granite]

next to the bars it shows dr's?

unless he's asking for something else

[fierce elm]

On the allies?

[rancid granite]

i'll literally blank out everything except the DR's

no wtf people care about ally dr?

information overload

[fierce elm]

Healers might

idk

[spice hornet]

helps anticipate the next go

[fierce elm]

He wants it

[rancid granite]

WoW pvp/addons is literally like reading the matrix man

[fierce elm]

I get it but also dont tbh

[rancid granite]

if it helps you go for it

cdew jr over here

[sterile moth]

Man I missed some good stuff today. Tony, your squat is high brother, way high….respectfully.

[worldly oriole]

lmfao its really not that high though

[sterile moth]

Especially for a front squat which typically is a little deeper

[fierce elm]

lmao

Its really high

[worldly oriole]

yall be trippin

[rancid granite]

its an interesting take of people who grew up no addons vs those who started with them

if intuition would develop the same etc

[fierce elm]

We do it to depth

[spice hornet]

well he's not working legs on those days. he's working knees

his knee routine is insane

good lifts and forms on knee day

[fierce elm]

I just grab skillcapped, Im too old to care

[sterile moth]

Oh ok!

[fierce elm]

However I wont fault someone for wanting to process more info

[worldly oriole]

powerlifting you need to meet a certain standard or your lift doesnt count. but bodybuilding isnt like that lol

[fierce elm]

True

However in bodybuilding your goal is to pack on muscle mass

[worldly oriole]

yea i just lift to look good. competing would be too stressful for my mental health i think

and i would need to use drugs which would make me worse

[fierce elm]

Which, in terms of the squat movements: being made to full depth leads to more muscle mass

Especially with how you are lifting that

with 80% of the weight being lower back loaded

[sterile moth]

Dr Joel Seedman agrees with Tony

[worldly oriole]

lol

[fierce elm]

We arent asking for PL standards, but even bodybuilding standards thats high

[rancid granite]

yeah but can you guys straight leg palm to floor though

[fierce elm]

source: every good bodybuilder EVER, countless articles and peer-reviewed science articles

[worldly oriole]

im still learning about the gym so if you say so. i'll agree. i thought it wasnt to depth but its still pretty good

[fierce elm]

Yes

I cant front squat for shit

but I can do that lmao

[rancid granite]

anyone who says yes i imagine bent legs

[fierce elm]

Its more about leverage

[sterile moth]

Maybe so it blindfolded

[fierce elm]

and how you are built

And some about flex

But most can cheat it out due to natural genetics lmao

[rancid granite]

im progressing in it myself thats my gains

[fierce elm]

I gotta check now lmo

lmao

yep

Can still

lmao

[rancid granite]

it's no weights like triplecrown ^ but feels good to progress nonetheless

[fierce elm]

Getting worse though

gotta STRETCH

[rancid granite]

wouldn't this just help balance/coordination/mind muscle connection and shit? sounds pro

[fierce elm]

lmao

Joel Seedman is a snakeoil salesman and a grifter

who has zero credibility but he gets popular due to instagram