pvp

[median lynx]

Cus like, back then it was a dual talent between SMF and TG, but now TG is the default and SMF is the talent that's all the way to the side.

Oh well still doing it for the funnies and better looks

[red fjord]

Which conquest weapon for arms ? doesn't seem to be a haste option

[spice hornet]

Who keeps bringing the smf meme alive

[azure moss]

Then take the mastery weapon...

You should have enough haste with all the other gear

[verbal tangle]

Swifty was SMF

[verbal tangle]

Probably using the crafted one

[spice hornet]

is that supposed to be a positive thing

[verbal tangle]

I mean, if someone is actually getting results with SMF then fuck it play SMF

[copper fox]

Who’s getting results

[spice hornet]

you can make SMF look really good against comp stomp bots

[rough shell]

You on US servers, what is the new conquest cap at?

[verbal tangle]

Tree fitty

[rough shell]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

2800 it looks like

[sharp meteor]

🦊

[spice hornet]

Hi Kennie. When SMF Vulpera fury?

[sharp meteor]

🚫

[spice hornet]

😂

[vagrant locust]

what's the shopping list boys

[sterile moth]

SMF is extremely strong while questing

[median lynx]

What you gonna tell me SMF is better while leveling??

[sterile moth]

And performs equally well in duels against frost mages

[spice hornet]

Good bait

[vagrant locust]

wow that's a really high bar!

[robust hearth]

Do u even know who swifty is?

[robust hearth]

milord

[urban skiff]

HUH

[robust hearth]

Lol mutlok i.o. doesn't even track every single.player

Because murlok i.om tells me there's only 18 ppl tht plays MM hunter last I checked last week

Which we all know there is way more than 18 ppl playing mm in rated pvp

[spice hornet]

swifty is an og no doubt, but i dont think he's been really keeping up with the game

[robust hearth]

Ik we carried him in rated bgs back in shadowlands

He got tht elite as a prot war

He plays his survival hunter too

Think it was called crisp something

you guys want a RAZER NAGA!?

[inner sigil]

is slayer better than thane in 2s

for example like

fury/rsham vs ww/disc

[sharp meteor]

Usually, yeah.

Unless maybe a team is perma stacked.

[inner sigil]

is slayer better in general now?

i feel its way more consistent

[green wharf]

always was

but people preffer thane cause cleave

and fun

[inner sigil]

slayer is more consistent

significantly

[sharp meteor]

It has been.

I liked thane for meaty hits but slayer was kind of the go to

unless 2+ people stacked all game

[inner sigil]

yeah true

but who does that

thats some

ew

[sharp meteor]

if you're the target cs caster/melee

or if you're double melee into caster + melee

i just played thane almost every game last seas

with powerful enrage

[inner sigil]

yeah thane is better in those

situations

i like slayer with powerful enrage

i been hitting 3 milli constantly

with execute

[median lynx]

Is Thane better for Battlegrounds tho?

[green wharf]

Depends

if you are going a lot for Team fights sure

cleave is great

[ember timber]

How in the hell NA ppl have 2x cq trinkets?

If they 1 day ahead, not a week

[green wharf]

cap this week is 2800

If they saved some in previous weeks they can buy[

[ember timber]

Oh got it thx

[grand echo]

Hear me out, need to know if this is a good plan or not..
I have tier shoulders in vault. I should buy the varnish for them, then use the catalyst on glad pieces to complete 4p?

[fierce elm]

If you wanna gamble on 4 piece sure

[grand echo]

Meaning?

Like 4p with not ideal stats vs 2p + gear with correct stats?

[fierce elm]

Meaning that the 4 piece effect might not be worht it in pvp

and that the correct stats on non tier sets might be better

but we wont know that before testing

and rarely does anyone wanna take that step early season

[grand echo]

I see

Good shout

[rancid granite]

https://youtu.be/snqssP6DI-Q

@urban skiff

[urban skiff]

Is enh topping out yet?

[grand echo]

Ive found my calling, Zercher

[urban skiff]

Is it rogue?

[grand echo]

MM is my jam. Just had my first 6/6 win lobby

[urban skiff]

You look like a wombat rogue

[grand echo]

It used to be a gif on my pic xd Its Sweeping Strikes and Mortal strike in the other hand

[urban skiff]

I'm happy you're having fun 🙂

[rancid granite]

cliche mom response

wholesome

[grand echo]

I feel appreciated

[rancid granite]

tier lists for everyone

fdk's been overwhelmingly rocking 1700 bracket should be S+

[wheat jay]

need more lists

[rancid granite]

skillcapped's is the only one that matters

[wheat jay]

Nah i need snupy and supatease to give me few more every 2 days

[rancid granite]

post-week 3 weapon tier lists really matter thats true

skillcapped was pre-recorded i feel like not taking into account our newfound power

[wheat jay]

Then 4 set tier lists in 2 weeks

[fierce elm]

I remember when Arms was a pvp spec

[wheat jay]

Then we get full gear tier lists

Pre awc tier list

Mid awc tier list

Post awc tier list

God forbid we get some small tuning in between

Cuz we're getting more tier lists there too

[rancid granite]

yes to all of it

we need a squishiest class tier list

so warrior can be S+ at something

[lavish quest]

[elfin surge]

any berserker rage bug abusers?

[green wharf]

i would not be chosing your calling just because of it

MM is prob going to get the nerfbat soon

[uneven lava]

hey killers, for those who do pvp and raid/m+ and need a teir set for both, how are you spending your catalyst tokens?

[idle falcon]

how am i slowed during bladestorm?

[uneven lava]

now that we can upgrade our pve gear to use on both

because you can potentially get hero pve drops and catalyst it to teir then with the conq enhancements push it up to 678. 2 weeks between essence of kaja is a looong time to wait for 2x 4-sets

[fierce elm]

Well, I doubt we want 4 set in PvP regardless

[uneven lava]

yeah was just checking murloc..

bit piss weak

[sterile moth]

Mages overpowered barrier breaks and slows you through bladestorm.

[lavish quest]

Slowed while can't be slowed

Makes sense

[idle falcon]

so mages now, THE ONES THAT HAVE 3 BLINKS

can slow u in bladestorm

[exotic forge]

So that's why while I was spinning towards a mage it didn't fuckin matter

First they remove hurricane, now this

[sterile moth]

Not sure if it’s a bug or intended but it’s a bummer for sure

Also I think they might have 4 blinks?

[fickle forge]

Don't hit the mage anyway

Barriers makes it dumb af

[elfin surge]

mages cant die

[sterile moth]

You just go their teammate and hope for the best?

[lavish quest]

Mages are God. We just have to accept it

[rancid granite]

mages are what happens when we use more than 1% of our brain

[lavish quest]

More than 1% of developer bias*

[rancid granite]

im always reminded of baldurs gate / classic dnd

mage: instruction booklet full of 90 spells
warrior: auto attack

[sterile moth]

lol

I find going mages gives me a 25% chance to win unless the mage is really bad. Not going mages is almost a certain loss unless some complete noob wandered into the lobby

[ember timber]

Yo guys, got legs from vault and have head piece from blody tokens, should i use it to make 4 set

Alrdy have chest and gloves

[urban skiff]

i was going to try dh but seeing that it's now OP I kind of don't want to

also I feel like UHDK is maybe too low, i think it's sleeper like BM

[urban skiff]

preach

[rancid granite]

DH is just the edgy version of fury

[urban skiff]

just another arm in the arms race

[urban skiff]

Last i tried DH looked so comlicated i felt like my brain fried

[rancid granite]

lmao

i did it on a training dummy the hopping around alone fried my brain

[faint sapphire]

why they made 2h elite sword with 1h model?

so ppl could play this without picking talent? sweet illusion

[verbal tangle]

I mean, Swifty was playing SMF

[faint sapphire]

and Mud was running double daggers

[verbal tangle]

The real shitpost lmao

I wonder if you could get enough Rage as SMF Daggers to just spam Rampage

@elfin surge how is Rage gain on Dagger SMF

[spice hornet]

Is rage even like that anymore

[elfin surge]

double agility daggers arent good

[wheat jay]

because elite color (purple) drops from new dungeon

[true tiger]

what piece did u buy this reset

[urban skiff]

real talk, would daggers be good if we had a strength version?

I should look into this

[elfin surge]

no play arms bro

[urban skiff]

uuuugh

[wheat jay]

I remember you baiting people with it lmao

Good times

[spice hornet]

Every time I open this discord someone is talking about SMF or equipping daggers

Been like this for a week now

[sterile moth]

Trolls!

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge which daggers do I buy with the tokens and also which slot do I craft unity? plz n ty

[fickle forge]

I should enchant my boots with intellect right guys? I saw Mud's armory and he had it

[elfin surge]

WAT DA

[tall geode]

didnt the gearing pin for 11.1 say to buy bloody token gloves and cloak week 1, helm week 2 and belt + bracers week 3 ?

but i dont have enough to buy either belt or bracers

[slender wedge]

we dont get the wep token this season right?

[tall geode]

yeah you do

[slender wedge]

oh

what rating?

ohh nvm

its the amount earned

is that this week or?

[tall geode]

yeah we went beyond that cap this week

[slender wedge]

okok cool, ty

[tall geode]

its 2500 for the tokens

[slender wedge]

ye

[urban skiff]

I'm kind of.. Disappointed? is that the word?

every season all the gear is the exact same

only difference is set bonus

[rancid granite]

a strength version of daggers... you mean swords?

[urban skiff]

like little swords

for kids

[true tiger]

which comp do u pref. fury+ret+disc or fury+ret+rsham

[urban skiff]

is there a way to make a weakaura stop loading in 40 mans only?

[lavish quest]

Better than it was just all prot talk for a week

[spice hornet]

Hahahaha

This discord has fallen

Off

[elfin surge]

says u

[fierce elm]

not ret

[spice hornet]

Once they made Mud a Stormforged I knew it was over

[wheat jay]

It fell off when afro and kargish lost theirs

[spice hornet]

They had it?

[fierce elm]

: )

[wheat jay]

Back when pvp was still great

[spice hornet]

what was the name of that one did in shadowlands

that would go ballistic and have meltdowns in here @wheat jay

i think it was SL and maybe very early DF

he'd come in typing in all caps complainign about other classes and how he cant do anything against them as a warr etc.

[true tiger]

when i shunter nerfs

btw

[urban skiff]

I'm just about ready to conclude, enh shaman damage is fine

the issue is the amount of healing healers can put out

which essentially translates into missing a ms effect 😢

[median lynx]

Yeahhh classes that don't have MW's kinda just suffer most the time unless they have someone there to apply MW's for them

[urban skiff]

I do OK when I have a ms effect on my team but I'm also just squishy enough with the loss of ancestral guidance that I guess their ms effect will always be stronger

[wheat jay]

Arcana?

[spice hornet]

nahh

ugh its on the tip of my tounge

[median lynx]

The pattern I've noticed is that if a class doesn't have MW's, it has to have at least some other utility it can bring like Ret Paladin, or just have huge burst dmg like Wind Walker

[urban skiff]

yeah well I'm enhancement right now so

[faint sapphire]

it this nerfed in pvp?

[lavish quest]

Isn't that a paladin talent?

We warriors here

[rancid granite]

i have a list of holy paladin questions too i dont know if anyone here could answer 😔

[jovial torrent]

are placement games for solo shuffle broken, legit 20 min queue so far, i just ended a 1 hour queue thinking epic bg queues were bugging it

[verbal tangle]

He doesn't know

[rancid granite]

[lavish quest]

U gon learn today

[jovial torrent]

is gladiusex not supported anymore or somthing

mine doesnt work

[sterile moth]

Wondering now with all this SMF talk if we aren’t better off using a two handed for our main hand and 1 handed sword or dagger for offhand rage generation!

[copper fox]

Wondering now with all this SMF talk if we aren’t better off using a staff for rage generation!

[median lynx]

Wondering now with all this SMF talk if we aren't better off just playing Outlaw!

[fierce elm]

yes

[spice hornet]

Placement queues take forever

[sterile moth]

Staff Masters

[robust hearth]

Yall can literally mog ur 2h weps to staves...

[median lynx]

But you can't transmog 2handers to 1handers

Pain

[faint sapphire]

do u guys face anything else than ww mm in shuffle?

[median lynx]

I don't play shuffle, it sucks. So I can't say

[ebon steeple]

Nah it's about same for me, a few frost dks tho

warr here and there

mages

[uneven lava]

mage every shuffle 100%

[rancid granite]

fdk and monk the majority lol

[uneven lava]

hunters have been the majority for me often 2

[ebon steeple]

Had xeek in 3 of my rss games the past two days lmao

[elfin surge]

I don't play shuffle, it sucks. So I can't say

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/blah-no-sponge-bob-silly-spongebob-gif-15033047

[ebon steeple]

Rss is fun when you can't find qs

but that's about it

[copper fox]

I don't play shuffle, it sucks. So I can't say

[jovial torrent]

really torn what gear to go, i feel like im guna go for 4 set fury

get tier shoulders + helm leave legs non set

[urban skiff]

play blitz instead

it's the true endgame

[brazen rock]

until u hit 3k mmr and can only que friday mornings at 4 am

[craggy geyser]

Lmao

[sharp meteor]

ya blitz eventually becomes

can only q at 2-4 am

on weekends

so gl if ur 1.9k cr and 3.2k mmr

[uneven lava]

lmao

[sharp meteor]

pushed a char up last seas at a few games a night

and its like stay up all night play for two hours get 60 cr

[rancid granite]

its officially ARMS season 'cause my 4 month long achievement farming paid off on legion skin mogs

how rad

ORANGE SWORD

[sterile moth]

If you can’t stab with it, how can it be a sword?!

[rancid granite]

you can stab with it; but it will do blunt dmg

[sterile moth]

I stand corrected

[urban skiff]

what did you farm that took that long?

[urban skiff]

My secret technique, is that I tank my MMR and get to always play

I wish it was on purpose however

[brazen rock]

my war started at 2.5k and i won 5 of 6 matches

afterwards

literally cant get games now

[urban skiff]

i started at 2800 and now I'm pretty sure my mmr is 1900

small early losing streak put me into the start-mmr bracket and from there it was rapidly downhill

i think there's a lesson somewhere about playing early in the season

if I had int buff i might even learn it

[rancid granite]

ARCHAEOLOGY quests; it's on a timer 1 quest every 2-3 weeks or so

you unlock a buncha legion weps for this achievement

i don't think there's a reward for the achievement for all 13 🤔

[urban skiff]

It's the only legion achievement for weapons i didn't get

[rancid granite]

there's your dates get crackin

i hope they bring back mage tower appearances in legion remix

[robust hearth]

just play blitz man

[elfin surge]

thats even worse

[robust hearth]

i promise its fun

yes theres a few bumps

but a r1 palyer like u should have no problem

just duo queue with ur favorite healer

i neve rduo queue

i climb pure 100% solo

[robust hearth]

but u get to live out tht warrior fantasy in blitz

just look at Lord @sharp meteor he having the time of his life, and gets to play whatever he wants

[spice hornet]

He could get r1 there but no point lol. It’s not fun

3s when arms is good and well designed >>>>>

[robust hearth]

but i dont see no Forged Marshal Mud tho..

[spice hornet]

1900 rated players got forged

[robust hearth]

but i do see Forged marshal Kennie

if u say so bud

just scared u cant get it is all i m hearing

[spice hornet]

I mean they literally did. Ask Jennie

Kennie

[robust hearth]

I don't need to ask master Kennie

i was there to witness it

wanna be a giga chad?

steal r1 slots from all brackets on the same toon same spec

ultiamte gigachad

[urban skiff]

I can't show my face without getting absolutely murdered anymore

😦

[verbal tangle]

Buy a name change duh

[copper fox]

The reapmon is the most wanted

True

Name change it

[urban skiff]

I definitely was in there

If I still had ancestral guidance i would have kept the entire team alive every 2 minutes lol

ok which one of you is this?

[elfin surge]

im not unemployed bro i cant be qn blitz at 4am

[robust hearth]

bruh i work a full-time job make 70k a year

u dnt need to no life it

[elfin surge]

you kinda do

[copper fox]

He makes 70k a year bro you can def q shuffle if he’s that rich

[elfin surge]

but even then not something i want to put my already limited time into

just not fun

[robust hearth]

70k isnt much lmfao

[urban skiff]

is 70k a lot or a little?

[robust hearth]

its really not alot

[urban skiff]

I get that in the US it's very little

But in the rest of the world?

[copper fox]

It’s like a 0 bedroom apartment in cities and a 6 bedroom house in South Carolina

So it depends

[urban skiff]

It's "build new house at size limit in the popular suburbs"-money in Denmark

if both people make that money

[robust hearth]

i wish i was a stay-at-home housewife

[spice hornet]

Squire to Kennie is a master troll I’ve learned

Blitz isn’t really competitive. You get 2400 for queueing. R1 range is just about queueing and being available at the time those queues pop and rng lol

It’s lame, I wish it gave different rewards

[rancid granite]

the reward is in the gameplay and fun :)

[jovial torrent]

hoolyy, had the craziest orb blitz map, enemy carriers were dh rogue and dps dragon, legit felt like i was playing against 10k ping russians with the amount they were dashing/teleporting about

[chilly pivot]

How it feels with new weapons?

[jovial torrent]

dmg feels nice, still alot of slows/mini stuns getting in the way

[urban skiff]

that's not true though

Last season there was plenty of people stuck below 1800

[spice hornet]

How’s that possible? You get 3000 mmr when you login

[copper fox]

Mid map fighters

Holding down the 1800 bracket like kings

[lavish quest]

Me dominate the mid field

No one get thru

[torn sigil]

I'm sorry but there's cognitive motor issues if you are stuck under 1800 in blitz late season

[rancid granite]

thats when all the R1's are playing alts to gatekeep

and also when X class you q as is trash tier

and when neither of those are happening, trolls are throwing on purpose

and when there's no trolls, the other team is hacking

[torn sigil]

Nah like the guy said you literally made a new char and you're already 1900 mmr

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-mcconaughey-smoking-matthew-mcconaughey-intense-intense-stare-smoking-gif-2659849828106643276

[jovial torrent]

just gotta win the diceroll on ur first game to keep it

the dmg with new weps does feel pretty unhealable

tho ive seen dev vokers and ww clap cheeks

[urban skiff]

sometimes mirrors are kind of fun

[sterile moth]

Fury into WW in shuffle is a complete mismatch right now. wtf

[spice hornet]

Can’t touch that class half the time while it grapes you and knocks you into 15% Tod range

[sterile moth]

I’d rather fight any mage tbh

[urban skiff]

ww is fucking weird

[spice hornet]

No mage is worse

[urban skiff]

their fists of fury parry can parry sundering, an aoe effect

[lavish quest]

Maybe he just dodged

[urban skiff]

it's every time

:/

another mirror

man imagine if i had something other than only honor gear

[pale crow]

Yo guys, back into the game after a while

slam doing more dmg than execute in pvp is a tooltip error

right?

[sharp meteor]

[kind sentinel]

that should be pinned tbh

[pale crow]

wdym

dont tell me blizzard is that idiotic

thats a new low for them

[ember timber]

in pvp warrior 4set proc is reduced to 1%

[urban skiff]

see pins

[urban skiff]

SEE THE PINS

[kind sentinel]

I KNOW THATS WHY I SAID IT

oop caps

[pale crow]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-9583576708402097457

[pale crow]

jesus... kinda regreting renewing the sub then...

[rancid granite]

if you're subbing because of how execute and slam works then, well, that's just kinda weird

[urban skiff]

Why?

[elfin surge]

warrior buffs soon right?

[urban skiff]

a button is a button and what the fuck does it even matter?

[rancid granite]

because gotta doom

[kind sentinel]

yes, an extra 10% to slam coming right up Mud

[elfin surge]

[rancid granite]

warrior is A tier so have fun you'll be ok @ skady

[pale crow]

it matters, is bad design

[urban skiff]

Sorry but complaining that one glowy button hitting harder than the other glowy button because nAmE is not S-tier

Make a macro that swaps their icons and names

[pale crow]

doesn't make sense that a rage dump hits harder than a finisher

[urban skiff]

it's the same thing

[rancid granite]

well its not a finisher first of all

[urban skiff]

they're both rage dumps

unless you want to tell me execute kills all the raid bosses on first press

The theme of execute is the axe swing of an executioner, not that you literally behead your opponent

[rancid granite]

also there's talking rats (vulpera), dragons, magic, nothing makes sense, it's called make believe

so use your imagination

and imagine something more fun

[pale crow]

well, i had a bad day and im kinda in a bad mindset today, maybe my reaction to this was a bit dramatic, you're right

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-hugs-and-love-gif-15672423094151011192

i mean it is silly and ridiculous, but warrior is still good and fun

so you aren't wrong

[jovial torrent]

lol ok ww monks are a joke in shuffle

[urban skiff]

Chill bro, we got you

what makes you happy? 🙂

[pale crow]

sex

[wheat jay]

ye you're not finding that in wow

[pale crow]

hahah

[urban skiff]

Brother am I about to rock your world

[pale crow]

now i understand

blizzard wants us to slam, if not irl, in the game at least

[urban skiff]

I am feral

watch out or i rip

[pale crow]

D:

[urban skiff]

uh guys?

I think they undid the nerfs to the ring

I'm seeing people on murlok use it

[brisk bane]

^been using this combo for a bit

[green wharf]

are they on the top 30 or like, the two last spots of the top 50

[urban skiff]

3rd blitz feral

or 2nd i can't remember

too much vers for it to be pve set

[rancid granite]

oh blitz are full of the experimental zercher builds ™

[green wharf]

it could be just someone that was doing pve, forgot to swap

and got the data

[urban skiff]

Too much vers. I can't think of a time where ferals ever wanted vers

[green wharf]

i meant for the ring

and everyone needs verst

with the verst of everyone increasing it makes sense that the cap gets higher

[urban skiff]

No. Ferals do not want vers in pve at all. Worst stat. So either he equipped just the ring for pve, or something else is going on.

[true tiger]

nerf rets

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-stare-cat-shocked-stare-gif-1398922735574533156

im saying, the dude could just have put the ring to do some pve, and forgot to swap

[rancid granite]

dude 100% experimenting

smoked a bowl, did some zercher math ™, tried it out, went to bed

[green wharf]

To me he was doing lfr

[sterile moth]

Serious question….is SMF via…jk. Real question- are we blowing through the versatility cap and eating the 10% handicap since we are basically like an anime fck pillow to quote Magnusz

[verbal tangle]

not "blowing through it", but every piece still gets vers from me

[sterile moth]

What I mean is…if I’m over cap should I change my versa ring enchants to mastery, look at reveling pure offensive stats…etc

[verbal tangle]

no

Vers = gooder

[sterile moth]

I’m thinking not tbh but curious what others think

[grim geyser]

yo do i suck or i get perma kited by majority of classes?

[sharp meteor]

evokers and mage own u

most everythin else is fine

[green wharf]

hunter own too

druids probably

man, i was doing some paladin lfr, to get the off-pieces for the set as transmog

what an easy class

imagine not having to worry about downtime

cause no rage shit mechanics

[sterile moth]

@grim geyser Against evokers I’ve found taking the slayer charge talent that increases your speed by 70% and removes snares really works well. They are squishy so any uptime on them is a big deal

Against almost everything else I like the cd reduction

[green wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/ağlayan-adam-gif-22992356

[median lynx]

Literally cannot play Arms without it

[river walrus]

this is the type of lobby that makes me wanna quit wow. This shit was miserable, even winning felt miserable

[median lynx]

Hunter with 4 killing blows

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

I can only assume what spec he is

[ebon steeple]

BM of course! mm is trash and doesn't need a nerf. Someone at blizz

[green wharf]

Survival surely

[slow solstice]

is cyclone a pvp only ability for druids

help

@idle falcon

i figured it out

:3

[urban skiff]

Nop, not even close

[green wharf]

[green wharf]

paladin cope

[wheat jay]

I meaaaaan

Warr has worse utility, but everything else checks out

[green wharf]

so bladestorm is better than Blessing of freedom?

plus, having a 30s burst seems better

[wheat jay]

Damage is better, burst is most likely better if we account for sharpen on every cs

Cc is either better or equal

Bladestorm is full cc immunity while slapping damage

Freedom is good in its own way, hard to say which of the two is better

Some could say cd of freedom is better

But then again if you proc a lot on slayer you can have 20-30s cd on bladestorm lmao

[green wharf]

he is talking about fury

[urban skiff]

Make intervene give freedom so i can watch my partner run out of range of it even faster

[exotic forge]

Warrior has better mobility than Ret but worse utility

[green wharf]

the thing is, ret is ranged

[idle falcon]

Was in an exam

[slow solstice]

gg

[idle falcon]

Gio im 2037 rating in SS :3

[slow solstice]

nice

i havent touched it all

[idle falcon]

I got silenced for a week cause i told a mage fuck u

That was last Saturday

2 more days 🥹

[true tiger]

did anyone ask today ,,guys is arms better or fury?,, question?

[slow solstice]

owned

[turbid fiber]

possibly dumb question, but can someone explain why people invest heavily in thunderous roar as fury? it doesn't seem worth it to me. is there something i'm missing?

[green wharf]

does lots of pressure with the aoe dot, and you combine with battlefield command

while people are bleeding from it, they take 5% more damage from you

[turbid fiber]

yeah that's what i was missing i guess, will try and see if it's worth it. appreciate the response

[vivid pumice]

do you have to get the conq cap this week for weapons?

[true tiger]

i pref spear

more control

esp vs casters

[green wharf]

only 2500

cap is 2800

[arctic knot]

hey guys, returning player, beginner for pvp, might seem like a stupid question, but how do we get pvp tier?

[fierce elm]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/catalyst-the-war-within-crafting-tier-set

You catalyst conquest pieces

[arctic knot]

thanks!

[urban skiff]

Root break
Fear break
Full physical absorb
Aoe slow

It's not bad utility

[fierce elm]

Root break on two characters
Fear/Stun/CC break on a shorter cooldown
Full physical immunity
Passive slows on everyone
Healing
LoH
Wall for teammate

[urban skiff]

Do enh shaman and fdk and feral next

I kind of like this simplified format

[fierce elm]

FDK is AMZ, slow and Teammate AMS

[urban skiff]

Fdk can protect against magic cc

Yeah that's a big one though, inho

[fierce elm]

In terms of like 'teammate utility'

feral provides nothing out of CC/shit healing

Enhance is Grounding, slow, root, static, some healing, tremor

[idle falcon]

2.5 million execute :O

[rancid granite]

cc'ing the enemy is best team utility; basically bubbling your team negating all dmg

[fierce elm]

yeah but no stuns were mentioned

nor CC

[fickle forge]

It's trash

People use it for the 5% dam amp

[rancid granite]

i should make a hunter

[exotic forge]

Most get ignored though

[fickle forge]

Arms used to be a utility god, and they've gradually taken it away since SL

[elfin surge]

i miss when I had 2 spell reflects for my healer

[fickle forge]

Intervening to give reflect for magic kicks 🙏

[fickle forge]

I'm still mad you're not pressing Demolish

[elfin surge]

I press it!

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-gif-5020343649222709969

[rancid granite]

execute someone with demolish no cc

biggest chad move

[sterile moth]

It is. Feels so good.

[urban skiff]

Idk about that, I save my wife a LOT with clutch roots + knockbacks + stuns + vortex. But like you said, it's a lot of CC

[vivid pumice]

what happened to the pinned message on gearing?

[sharp meteor]

probs turned out to be bad

[grave atlas]

How are people putting 2 elemental focusing lense on their gear?

[sharp meteor]

wym

public order focusing lens then socket 1 non bloodstone gem somewhere so it procs

[wheat jay]

Can we have survi rework please?

And have it replace bm and mm in pvp

[grave atlas]

Like i cant equip 2 crafted items that has both ele

[elfin surge]

[rancid granite]

you must have a 3rd somewhere

[wheat jay]

I miss it everyday

[rancid granite]

limit is 2 acee

[wheat jay]

Kargish buffing my killshot to yhe moon, mage dying in 0.1s, ms for 50%, killshot for 50%

[elfin surge]

Kargish? Karanze? Never heard of them.

[fickle forge]

Mud? The impressive solo shuffle fury warrior with his 32.5k Execute?

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-carribean-jack-sparrow-johnny-depp-you-heard-of-me-famous-gif-4968261

[rancid granite]

i've heard of you from a bunch of 12yo fans from reddit

[exotic forge]

I watched the Primus' comeback

It was like reuniting with an old friend

Someone tag Magnus

[rancid granite]

that was quite a journey to get to 1800 on holy pal

[exotic forge]

Bro wtf

[sterile moth]

Stud!

[rancid granite]

great set

[fierce elm]

It's very pretty

[elfin surge]

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[rancid granite]

you're a big star, gotta keep you humbled ok

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kyle-what-the-fuck-is-up-kyle-wtf-whats-up-whaddup-gif-13117955

[exotic forge]

This and purple

Almost made me main pally

But Warr also has purple

[rancid granite]

yeah thats why im diggin new set color schemes

and why i need to raid for the s1 purple set lol

[trail charm]

Season 2 give weapon like s1 when you get 2500 conquest ?

[exotic forge]

Yes

You should be able to obtain it this week

[trail charm]

k ty man

[green wharf]

Too bad the best one is from mythic

Wish blizz kept the dublon currency to buy the transmog

[sharp meteor]

Missing bullions.

Was so sick to target mogs.

[tribal holly]

@fierce elm I caved in

[sharp meteor]

Whatchu do

[spice hornet]

Hi

[tribal holly]

I resubbed to the game

[elfin surge]

Hi

[sharp meteor]

Hey at least prot is fun

[fierce elm]

nerdass

[urban skiff]

rate my skirmish

[verbal tangle]

On Feral?

[tribal holly]

Yeah m+ is fun too

[sharp meteor]

Oh yeah I suppose you could pve

and dungeon pool seems considerably less miserable this time around

[urban skiff]

yea

at least I had fun

I was trying to practice snupy's super mega awesome opening(tm) but they just flared me and cc'd me

then everything died and I guess i blacked out because I only remember casting regrowth on the hunter

R1 feral currently using an embellishment that increases the effects of blasphemite gems and using the speed blasphemite gem

speedy fuck

[sterile moth]

So it would be 3% speed per unique gem color?

Sounds tempting to try on my alt warrior eventually

[green wharf]

https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics/solo/all/#spec

[green wharf]

cancer

[urban skiff]

Ran it on my shaman last season and it was hilariously broken because it stacked with ghostwolf

Without the embellishnent. Still need to deal damage when i connect

I can reach absurd ghostwolf speeds these days

[sterile moth]

Warrior damage is fine in a vacuum. Connecting is an issue so it might be good…looks like Loras and Smexxin run the speed gem but don’t use the embellishment

[urban skiff]

245% movement speed when I don't have ms proc

with the proc i hit 295% ms

[sharp meteor]

Full movespeed gems is another 10% so what blasphemite is 5% on top of that

zandalari with gonk 5% then full meta for speedies

[urban skiff]

absolute zoomies

[sharp meteor]

unironically kind of good for tanks in blitz

idk aboutmuch else tho

[urban skiff]

Wait why is it only 10% on movespeed gem?

oh 5 gem colours, i could have sworn it was 6

That puts this gem at max 1,125% extra crit dam

[green wharf]

crit is a cringe stat

[sterile moth]

Critical effect can be quite good though no?

[fierce elm]

Its fucking ass

[rancid granite]

innit that the basic pve gem

elusive blasph. didn't seem all too noticeable to me either since speed stacks poorly

[urban skiff]

Don't make me bring out the math

Crit is better than pvp'ers think

[fierce elm]

its fucking ass

[urban skiff]

Because they got it in their heads that 50% crit dam nerf is the end

[fierce elm]

I take the DR anytime fo the weak

Without even thinking about it

I would grab the movespeed or the damage out of roots before that

No nerd math needed

pure instinct

[green wharf]

what are you

some kind of mage

with ya fancy numbers

[urban skiff]

People don't believe it because i'm kind of an idiot

but i'm actually a genius

[rancid granite]

straight chalked; ass fucking could be a good term these days so who knows

[urban skiff]

genious?

genie?

us

[rancid granite]

i assume you mean its bad though

[urban skiff]

Crit is a funky stat, if you ask people if they're happy dealing 10% more damage, or if they want every 3rd set of cooldowns used to do 80% more damage, they'll always go for the 10% more damage for some absurd reason

[rancid granite]

yeah i made it to like #20 on murlok and i am beyond dumb; so if so, the opposite must be true, the low rated genius

[green wharf]

crit is pve stat

[urban skiff]

no it's not

[rancid granite]

people don't take into account rng crit burst changing up the whole pvp match

[urban skiff]

it's worse for warriors in some situations

but overall crit is a vastly underrated stat. Same as vers

[urban skiff]

this tbh

If you're predictable, you're only a danger if your baseline is overwhelming

Are warriors overwhelming baseline? Sometimes

Going from 5% to 10% crit costs roughly 5% haste but doubles whatever potential you had to global someone. The fewer attacks you do, the more meaningful crit is

[sharp meteor]

8 hidden messages under someobdy sayin crit is bad

zerchers 1300 theorycrafting cope right

[fierce elm]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-block-blocked-respond-message-gif-20972134

[urban skiff]

Man kennie is so mad these days

[sharp meteor]

wish it hit it entirely no ignored msg

[fierce elm]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-discord-gif-26295046

[urban skiff]

oh noooooo

don't block me bro, so devastated

[fierce elm]

lmao

[urban skiff]

And definitely don't talk about how blocked i am repeatedly, that's really really hurtful and doesn't at all feed me

lol

[sharp meteor]

say ignored messages - show if 1700

[fierce elm]

God I love this channel

[urban skiff]

Whenever people tell me to do a thing, I get a pathological need to do the opposite

[sharp meteor]

pow

[urban skiff]

someone tell him i'm almost at 1400 rating

1386 now

[fierce elm]

I mean its always the people that dont want to block you telling you they blocked you

[urban skiff]

+5 from last time

[fierce elm]

otherwise they would be quiet about it

[urban skiff]

I went into the redditor pvp discord and he definitely has a different personality in there. Very aggressive

I just want to have fun and sometimes talk about pvp

I finally figured out what i did wrong with my crit math, but now I can't figure out how to put my findings into my calculator without having to redo it all

[fierce elm]

You mean worldofpvp

[urban skiff]

yea

[fierce elm]

That place is a cesspool

[rancid granite]

vulpera mains

[fierce elm]

So makes sense

[urban skiff]

yea no shit lol

I was told it's mellowed out a lot compared to the old days

[fierce elm]

Its all crying people

and people abusing them

[urban skiff]

Idk what it is about these MALES and acting hostile towards anyone with any differences

[fierce elm]

or rating-shaming them because their pixels are cooler than your pixels

Its like 0.001% helpful

[urban skiff]

lol

[rancid granite]

what about rating shaming while playing a tank in pvp

[urban skiff]

Imagine if fitness was like that

[fierce elm]

Fitness used to be that

then we filtered out the grumpy old men

[urban skiff]

Those redditors need modern gym mentality. Acknowledge that your 2900 is my 1900.

[fierce elm]

Because nobody likes toxic assholes that have no redeeming qualities

[urban skiff]

Probably why they're so aggro now. They're on the edge of getting pushed out too. Daily reddit posts about people getting banned "just for calling someone trash" at 1500 rating

[copper fox]

Shit system

[urban skiff]

The secret sauce is that ignore list is limited. But reporting someone for chat abuse? Complete block of their entire account and doesn't eat into your ignore limit. I almost exclusively use report now when people can't talk nice

[rancid granite]

out of my 400 healing games i've only had to report 1 person

one of those 'hope you die irl' people

[fierce elm]

Thaderyl is a chad

[rancid granite]

wait, 2, the other just dropped 500 f bombs in chat

[urban skiff]

I'll report if they say anything that makes me want to never hear from them again.

Being a shit player I get a bit more of those messages than you guys though

[fierce elm]

How about dont be a dick online behind anonymity lmao

[rancid granite]

i've had a few 'mean' seeming people, but when i ask for advice they give me genuine advice and turn nice

so they're ok with me

[fickle forge]

Why is Kennie so angry lately

[urban skiff]

Someday they'll realize the report function is the equivalent of getting punched in the mouth for something you said irl

[urban skiff]

small dog energy

Or maybe he's upset i went to his happy place

[fickle forge]

Healing shuffles makes me Kennie levels angry

[rancid granite]

he's not having fun so he's angry at people having fun

[urban skiff]

He specifically said that I'm the reason he's been so angry lately in the other discord when I first wrote

[fickle forge]

I healed 1 shuffle before I went out today

[rancid granite]

LMAO it was definitely very different than dps and definitely got more annoyed at certain things people did

[fickle forge]

And this was my experience

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905959827891712050/1352284588847661066/image.png?ex=67dd74aa&is=67dc232a&hm=24c6a80e7768473a843edbf70879df9e00c0e6a1ffaa506bb27d537ccfa973a5&

So I said nah

[urban skiff]

I want to heal but it's just so far out of the realm of stuff I can do competently without having to put effort in. And if there's one thing i loathe, is actually trying

[rancid granite]

i had a bunch of those lol

[green wharf]

i mean, sure blizz system is shaite

[urban skiff]

Because that means I can no longer blame failure on being casual

[green wharf]

but to get a perma

this dude was going over the top, for far too long

[urban skiff]

You don't get a perma for first offense.

[fickle forge]

We didn't even lose from this dog positioning and both going to 1%

[green wharf]

it always start with advices

[fickle forge]

We lost cause I took 1 MC and DC'd

[rancid granite]

healing is just dps'ing with inverted HP bars

[fickle forge]

Yeah it ain't

[urban skiff]

sorry but that's just funny asf

[green wharf]

advices, then silence, then suspension, then you get ban lol

[fickle forge]

Healing is misery

[fierce elm]

Nobody thinks he is cool for being a r1 prot warrior

: (

[fickle forge]

It's really odd energy

[urban skiff]

healing is tanking with a pet

[fickle forge]

Vulpera prot and then being angry

[urban skiff]

but you haven't learned the pet control spells yet

[green wharf]

is he?

[urban skiff]

so your pet does whatever

[urban skiff]

I thought he was cool until he decided to lash out

I don't do well when people have emotional displays like that

[fierce elm]

this is kinda hilarious though lmao

[urban skiff]

They can't bully me out and they can't shut me up

They can keep posting about how much blocked i am but that's encouraging

Must suck to be outplayed by a 1300 player

[rancid granite]

id like to think im part of the problem too

[green wharf]

any problem here i assume you are related to it

[rancid granite]

thanks friend

[green wharf]

i would count afro but he only plays paladin now, and frankly a bit too lazy to start any drama

[fickle forge]

I also dislike the 800 mmr theorycrafting

But it's not really something I can shut down

People can talk about what they want to

[rancid granite]

what is there to dislike about it though lol

[fickle forge]

Mostly misinformation

If ya'll wanna meme a build it's fine

[rancid granite]

thats what kennie said too but thats the whole point of theorycrafting

just theories and fun

[fickle forge]

It's when ya'll say it's good and optimal it rolls down the hill

[rancid granite]

nobody really is recommending it to people who ask though

[fierce elm]

I take that rather than the average dumbass green newbie mark asking whats best 500 times a day

[urban skiff]

It's a process and I get to learn stuff to get it more right

Like I had to figure out how to quantify what crit damage actually is

[fickle forge]

If your build looks like Zercher's, you should reroll because his whole gimmick is taking unconventional shit/Z-tier stuff and trying to make it work

[fierce elm]

lmao

I mean he does hit 1800 with it

[urban skiff]

I mean I also avoid looking at DRs, cooldowns, durations on offensives/defensives

[fickle forge]

Have you made it to 1800 yet bro?

[urban skiff]

had a bad streak

[rancid granite]

i mean the whole point is to have fun playing videogames right

that's like getting mad seeing kids doing dumb stuff having harmless fun

[urban skiff]

but for a week2 thing I think it was ok

i figure once i start spending my bloody tokens and conq I'm going to have an excellent time

[fierce elm]

157 games holy fuck

rounds

maybe its time to log into wow

now that we can get weapons

[urban skiff]

most i ever played tbh

[fickle forge]

No

[urban skiff]

I was having a lot of fun despite crying in here

[fickle forge]

You need that 1 week break

[fierce elm]

Its time play some SS

I have slept 12 hours every night

pure chad

[urban skiff]

Am I getting 1800 before you again afro?

that would suuuuck for you

You should log in and play some SS

Just one round

[fierce elm]

I am 1800 lmao

[fickle forge]

I'd like to make it past 2 games before you and James bang each other

[fierce elm]

naa we are gonna bang you now

two dps versus our simp healer

[urban skiff]

kargish is cool

I'm sure Kennie is a good nights sleep and being told he's a ~gooooood boy~ from turning mellow again

[rancid granite]

just give him some scratchies behind his ear

[urban skiff]

I broke my spreadsheet

With 170% critdam and specifically at 27% crit chance I'll increase my damage by 5%

[fickle forge]

My Rsham is invincible

[rancid granite]

fixed then

[urban skiff]

much love 🐒 🥰

In hindsight, I should have started this project with a spec that has more simple burst window.

Before accounting for odd interaction between haste/mastery, crit is almost equal to haste it seems

ok so I know in my heart that crit is not a linear thing, but i can't make it stop being linear.

Guessing the problem is i'm still looking at dps increase and not the fixed damage outcome of a burst window?

[urban skiff]

what to spend conq and tokens on?

I should aim to have 875 conq in two resets when we get next spark

[sharp meteor]

Since when

I asked one guy who can't win a game at 1k mmr why he's half the posts in the channel and often isnt' even talking about Warrior why he's rambling about bad builds/stats/gear

[rancid granite]

because he's friendly, and likes to talk about the game, and talk about stats and numbers

zercher is one of the reasons why hanging around this channel is fun

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/get-off-my-lawn-old-lady-sprinkler-grumpy-angry-gif-19033636

kennie got the old grouchy lady vibes

[fickle forge]

It's all I've been seeing from you lately lmao

Rant about low mmr talk and how many people are blocked

Smh

I remember the friendly prot vulpera

[sharp meteor]

1 talks about his crit builds in skirms on shaman or w/e and the other pinged me 20 times a day for some reaso

that's it

[rancid granite]

that other dude was trollin though

[urban skiff]

tbh I think it's just not healthy for kennie to be hanging out with the redditors

Imagine wanting to be liked by those guys

[rancid granite]

maybe he needs to hit up the gym to help use up all that energy

help him relax

[fierce elm]

Some good drama rn

[urban skiff]

Know what helps me relax? Crits at 998 mmr!

[urban skiff]

Anything for you, brother

[fickle forge]

What that squire guy?

Lit arc lol

[fierce elm]

The squire guy who is an obvious troll kek

[fickle forge]

Shoulda leaned into it and renamed Kenight

[sharp meteor]

I didn't even notice

he was just being annoying in tank cord

[fickle forge]

There's a tank cord?

No shot man

[sharp meteor]

Of course.

[fierce elm]

He was annoying here too big brother

[fickle forge]

Yeah we're burning that shit down

[sharp meteor]

Well, the way tanks work in blitz is that you have to queue into each other.

At high mmr you don't get pops if another tank isn't around.

So people just go yo 3100 in q

[fickle forge]

"Q into each other"

[rancid granite]

squire guy was trolling kennie cause kennie was being cranky lol

[fickle forge]

Win trading

[sharp meteor]

Nah, same thing as high mmr blitz.

Everybody waits to queue at 2-4 am.

[fierce elm]

lmao this sure sounds like easy wintrading

[pale crow]

talking about crits, am i trolling if im getting crit before mastery after haste as arms? i know it is suboptimal but i kinda feel better when i see crits on my screen lol

[fierce elm]

Its suboptimal

[sharp meteor]

Nah.

At least not as far as I know.

One of the dhs might've.

[fierce elm]

Sus Paladins in high mmr

[sharp meteor]

Paladin players are stupid.

[pale crow]

D: D:

[urban skiff]

this is for SMF THANE build only

[sharp meteor]

I shockwaved some ret and he trinketed so I feared and clicked the flag and he bubbles and throws a judgement after I already capture it.

Psure that guy got r1 as ret

Blitz owns

[fickle forge]

R1 blitz 😴

Just be the better rogue

Free R1

[urban skiff]

how suboptimal however?

[rancid granite]

r1 blitz - the one who has the least of a life

who the hell games at 2am

[sharp meteor]

Although ig in his defense blitz is a bit of a marathon

lotta games to go up

[fierce elm]

About 40%

[urban skiff]

Eww

[fierce elm]

The number? Made the fuck up rn

[urban skiff]

I'd happily take a 5% hit to dps if it gave me +10% happiness

[pale crow]

lmao

[urban skiff]

And chunky crits makes little zercher very happy

[pale crow]

man, back in shadowlands crit as arms felt so good

every time you hitted a fat crit ms felt like busting a nut

[urban skiff]

Pvp crits should probably be 75% instead of 50%

[fickle forge]

I don't think crit arms is complete int if you're colossus

You got a lot of crit interactions

[fickle forge]

Yeah was called shadowlands, and everybody got deleted left and right

[urban skiff]

Shadowlands was 100% no?

[sharp meteor]

Crit would be less int if hps pools were lower again and topend hits were higher.

Colo Arms with crit is just praying to slot machine somebody.

[fierce elm]

go full crit rn on main

[sharp meteor]

Which might be okay? If you have a really bursty partner.

[fickle forge]

At least colo arms has so much +crit dam and extra CM stacks on crit it isn't complete troll

[fickle forge]

I will probably grab a little

15% crit in Bstance seems okay

[rancid granite]

ahh col arms and bajheera's original build, haste/crit

sounds fun

[fickle forge]

Yeah I wouldn't lean into full crit like that

Mast is still great

[rancid granite]

full crit like that but going crit/mast makes a lot more sense

maybe not the most optimal but big hits

[fierce elm]

max it

[rancid granite]

how much crit can you even get going 100% crit

rest mastery

[fierce elm]

wdym rest mastery

you just craft everything crit/vers

[rancid granite]

ok yeah that works then

who is gonna try it

zercher has the gold for it

[lavish ember]

I got a question about war. What kind of defences do they have? Right now i'm dying constantly cause Bloodthirst doesnt seem to do much of anything.

[fierce elm]

D-stance, Enraged Regen, Victory Rush

Bloodthirst somewhat

your main defense is stance-dancing however

[rancid granite]

intervene and heroic leap to run ✌️

[sharp meteor]

Main defense is hitting enemy team so hard they're scared and falling apart all game

bolting offensively but also defensively is good, as can be fearing

also really big one is tremoring healer out of fears

[lavish ember]

But are warriors very heavily depending on healers?

[fierce elm]

yes

[sharp meteor]

Yer.

[elfin surge]

class is designed to be played with one

[urban skiff]

My primary reason for crafting everything this season tbh

[sharp meteor]

Being able to go back and recraft stuff is nice.

I kind of wish they had sort of what they have for crest catchup where once you spend, say, 700 conquest on boots you can buy any other boots on the vendor for honor.

[river walrus]

I know this has probably been answered here in chat before, but are both arms and fury running 4 piece tier? Or just arms?

[fierce elm]

This hasnt been answered

because we cant reliably test that right now

[river walrus]

I am afraid of testing it myself because I do not want to lose stats if tier set ends up not making a good difference

[fierce elm]

Imean there is a decent chunk testing it on arms at least

I would just wait

it doesnt matter right now anyways

[urban skiff]

2 weeks until you can get 4set without pve. Just wait and bleed

[arctic knot]

so im a new player to pvp, fury warrior with pvp ilvl of 652. im just trying to get like a daily skirmish win or something for that lil extra honor and conquest. and to test the waters of pvp. I am in the match with a boomkin and mage. i am cc'ed so long, starsurge hits me for over 3M and im dead when the only thing ive casted is Charge. How does one get good and prevent this?

[fierce elm]

by getting a healer

Thats the unfortunate reality of it all

You are right now, undergeared and have no healer so you will die without being able to do much about it

[urban skiff]

oh oh oh OOOOOOOH

[arctic knot]

like even popping enraged regen and rallyin cry helped nothing cuz i couldnt even get a bloodthirst off

[fierce elm]

Yep

Skirmishes are not balanced whatsoever

your best bet is doing BGs honestly

[urban skiff]

Skirmish is ridiculously fast-paced

[arctic knot]

for a new pvp player, is fury warrior a good shout?

[urban skiff]

Do BGs instead until you have your gear, another cool source of conquest is the box that gets dropped in the world when you have world pvp enabled

[arctic knot]

any recommendations

[urban skiff]

fury is as good a start into pvp as any

[fierce elm]

Warrior is arguably the easiest class to learn in PvP

so yes

The only downside is that you cant learn without a healer

Or playing with a healer*

Best bet is doing BGs, get full honor gear, watch a ton of content about arena if you wanna play that

Once you have full honor gear you can also queue BG blitz for conquest and some rated content

It's the most beginner friendly mode

[arctic knot]

i would assume hunters to be easier

[fierce elm]

They have more things to think about than warrior

[arctic knot]

always moving + ranged, seems unfair

[fierce elm]

Warrior needs to just hit stuff

Hunter needs to set up CC and know how to kite in some sense

[arctic knot]

fair

[fierce elm]

warrior is just zug zug

[sharp meteor]

Idk about that.

[fierce elm]

Compared to warrior? Absolutely

[sharp meteor]

Like kiting sure but binding/intim into trap isn't really

involved

and it's optional

so

[fierce elm]

Yeah, optional that takes away 90% of your efficiency in Arena